Does Robb Stark die twice?

[@AltShiftX]

From GRRM's script for GOT S4E02: "Robb sits drenched in blood amidst the carnage of the Red Wedding, surrounded by the dead. His dead face slowly transforms into Grey Wind’s wolfish features." Source: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-last-script-the-lion-and-the-rose

[@derekfurst6233]

About your idea that robb wargs into greywind and then wargs again into that westerling, I don't think so. Six skins said that he is pretty sure that once his main body dies and he wargs out, he'll lose his warging power.

[@firesniperbullet2]

Robb got spawn camped

[@pokerrayo]

Hey, do you have a video about the theory that Jaine Westerling is carrying Robb's baby?

[@post-leftluddite]

It's specifically stated in the world of Ice and Fire that Warg specifically and only refers to a skin changer that has a relationship with a wolf and is not just another generic term for any skin changer

[@hydromoe1763]

@@post-leftluddite no Warg is the general term for any skin walker. The Wildling with the Eagle was called a Warg repeatedly.

[@parkerferguson1810]

The idea of Rob looking at Arya through Grey Wind before he dies is fucking heart breaking, holy shit.

[@revenge3265]

I didn't think of that...

[@Scarlattomachiatto]

They even put it in the show, the eye connection Arya has with Greywind. It stings a bit more with that shot.

[@joer3720]

Although in the show Grey Wind dies before Robb so it seems unlikely. But in the books it could well be the case.

[@emmetwalker2995]

Thinking about it. Thinking about George RR Martin. It’s deffo what happened 😂😂😂

[@pyramidion5911]

@@joer3720 in the book Arya just hears greywind howling in the distance

[@wolfie6075]

I think Arya's eye contact with the wolf actually makes his death less sad, he gets to see even if just for a moment that all is not lost, his family is still out there alive and still has a fighting chance.

[@Karaetify]

Idk, seeing her there may also make him assume that she will be found and killed as well

[@Adam-nm6to]

Except in the show the wolf dies before rob does

[@kurasai6009]

@@Adam-nm6to the show doesn't matter

[@MrPopo-nn7kp]

Gay

[@Liz-eg4sk]

"It does make Robb's death even sadder." COS YEAH I FUCKING NEEDED THAT DIDN'T I?!

[@ivartheboneless7914]

Elizabeth Tjalma hahahahahahahahah my thoughts exactly

[@Liz-eg4sk]

I wouldn't expect Sandor Clegane to understand lmao Nah I'm not soft, I just care a bit too much loool

[@ivartheboneless7914]

Sandor Clegane I don't know if you're joking, but her comment was pretty funny. And if she is indeed serious, why does it matter?

[@Liz-eg4sk]

Game of Shows yeah thanks ahhahaah This Sandor Clegane should get himself a sense of humour

[@Liz-eg4sk]

Sandor Clegane get a life

[@trevorp8124]

"Direwolves are like wolves, but bigger" Hard-hitting analysis, this channel

[@Lynch2507]

White walkers are like zombies but magic.

[@AltShiftX]

The Iron Throne is like a throne, but iron

[@packguar6617]

Direwolves are like wolves, but direr.

[@akrybion]

Trevor P Game oft Thrones is like the Emoji Movie, but different.

[@merrittanimation7721]

Joffery is the best character except not at all

[@bheronz]

The Starks are so vulnerable to dying that Robb managed to die twice?

[@Jrdn357]

I have one thing to say to put this theory to rest.... Greywind dies BEFORE Robb, fools!!!!! How exactly is his soul supposed to transfer to Greywind's body if the creature had already died?!?!?!

[@gabrielemblem605]

@@Jrdn357 Grey wind dies before Robb in the show not in the books

[@Jrdn357]

@@gabrielemblem605 Nope. Re-watch the scene, why don't you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ_bp4iriN-Vg6s See? Greywind dies first!

[@UmarAli-tq8pl]

@@Jrdn357 Are you blind? Read his damn reply. "Grey wind dies before Robb in the show NOT IN THE BOOKS".

[@Gabe-ff7yr]

@@Jrdn357 we're all talking about books version here

[@spewter]

When Grey Wind dies, his last words is Hot Pie, and his soul passes into the chubby baker.

[@NikolaiKuznetsov97]

Bubble Blower if hot pie is chubby then what in the seven hells is fat

[@gronigham2651]

@@mr.rabbit5334 FAT? FAT IS IT?

[@theotherotter]

@@gronigham2651 in europe yes, in murika is ultra skinny

[@TrueCarthaginian]

@@theotherotter Anti-American trash.

[@driesbuytaert3788]

@@TrueCarthaginian its true tho

[@francesboy2]

"Direwolves are like wolves, but bigger" I was hoping you'd take the South Park route and say "Direwolves are like wolves, except they're dire."

[@hectorbeltran392]

me too

[@dramaholicsanonymous6420]

Lol

[@رافضالرجس]

Your like my annoying aunt. U just can’t keep it to yourself even if it’s the smallest detail 😒

[@cellokid5104]

Explain

[@watchspotting]

“With Dire Bear pelts, I can make myself a nice dire robe.”

[@Cleptrio]

I just love the fact that this Stark supporter, in his last moments in the middle of a battle for the life of him and his friends, decides to free the direwolf and let him get into the fight. It just shows the level of respect that the soldiers had for this mystical creature.

[@Hedgeknight420]

If they covered it head to toe in heavy boiled leather or some half plate armor and gave it dragon glass claws and fang attachments it could kill more white walkers than any soldier

[@shrimpm4445]

"I would like to put myself into a wolf.... WAIT" -Kit Harington

[@ABDULRAFAY-yf1dx]

May I ask for a link kind sir?

[@alyssafoster4765]

ABDUL RAFAY kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIPQZqCsqcSkepY

[@RW77777777]

have you seen Rose Leslie's smile??

[@makerstudios5456]

If I knew my last words were going to be “Shaggy Dog” I’d put a gun in my own mouth due to shame.

[@Auzzie015]

The jokes about Shaggydog and the genuine comedic disgust people have for Rickon naming his wolf that makes me laugh every time.

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

Sansa: names wolf Lady because she wants her wolf to be gentle and graceful like a lady Arya: names her wolf Nymeria after the great warrior princess. Rob: calls Wolf Grey wind because he's fast and he's gray (I think) Jon: Ghost because he has a white wolf, who is very quiet and kind of mysterious Bran: calls Wolf Summer, because of the hope for summer after the long night? Or something Rickon: HAHA SHAGGYDOG his siblings:.... Ned:.... The unicorns on Skagos:... SHAGGYDOG: bruh...

[@NyrVindr]

Why does everyone hates Rickon

[@NyrVindr]

Why does everyone hate Rickon?

[@elloraparis9483]

@@Picking.a.name.is.hard1 he's 6 give the kid a break

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I cried when Lady died in the book. She was such a good girl :( She may not have been as cool and badass as the other direwolves, but she was a good pup, she didn't deserve what happened to her.

[@intpleb4206]

Everyone with a heart cried.

[@ashleyofnaath]

My takeaway from the books is that Rickon and Shaddydog probably bonded the quickest, and Rickon started warging Shaggy immediately, though not consciously. Which is why Shaggy is so possessive of Rickon and why Rickon acted out. He didn't understand what was happening. People put his behavior off on having a lot of change at a young age; but nobody thought to look for the gift in someone so young. Off topic; apologies.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Laverne Blaszczyk I doubt that'll happen in the books.

[@palikaloz]

Rickon will reconquer Winterfell, leading a horde of cannibal madmen riding on unicorns

[@palikaloz]

LagiNaLangAko23 to be fair, the unicorns are most likely to be goats...:/

[@hairlessoyster3689]

Ashley of Naath never apologize for a good tangent!!

[@iamahomosapien1680]

Laverne Blaszczyk Lol

[@markokrstic3562]

Just the fact Robb's final words were his direwolf's name, exactly like Jon's, is suspicious. I think this happened.

[@thekingof300]

The show doesn't really show how Rob distances himself from his direwolf and his ancestry. With that taken into account, his death seems a lot less random. In literature the death of a character often comes after the symbolic death of his identity. For example, Ned's whole identity revolves around his honor, yet it's only once he gives up his honor that he's killed.

[@thekingof300]

What do you mean? His identity is that of a northerner fighting for north. By keeping his direwolf in a pen and doing the other things this guy mentioned (idk the specifics, but i trust Alt Shift X wouldn't just lie), he's giving up being a northerner in order to win. That's a betrayal of one's identity (atleast in fiction). As for the afterlife thing. No?Idk? If it is, it plays exactly 0 role in the story and i dont see how it's related to this at all.

[@fitbullaussie9002]

The point is the symbol of restraining his wolf - which is his psychic awareness having its eyes shut to danger. Same thing happens to Jon, he has Ghost put in confinement and Jon is knifed to death. But these are symbols of the psyche being asleep or closed off/ignored. It's the mythology of the sleeping psyche that is in danger, but will awaken to grow from the naive sleep walking boy/child - to the aware awake man. Usually this occurs via a monumental catastrophe. Hell think of snow white and all the animals trying to warn her...

[@icepop213]

@@dshack5690 When he confessed to conspiring against the crown I would guess?

[@sawyermcwilly764]

@@fitbullaussie9002 can you recommend any books relating to the sleeping psyche stuff you are talking about? It’s interesting

[@leemarshall348]

@@sawyermcwilly764agreed

[@BryceChillis]

i need the show to stop killing direwolves

[@BryceChillis]

exactly! that doesn't bode well for sansa =[

[@wafflingmean4477]

In the books they were all so cool and unique besides Lady: - Grey Wind - Easily the scariest of them all. Robb even said he should never have brought him into battle because he'd killed too many men to fear them now. He just rampaged across battlefields as this unstoppable icon of fear for Robb's enemies, and also through warging allowed Robb to scout out trails to make his marches quicker than the Lannisters predicted. - Ghost - Fights undead, has been warged into by Bloodraven at least once, maybe three times. He might have met Coldhands, he fought with Jon against Wildlings and Qhorin Halfhand beyond the Wall, kept Jon alive in the Wildling camp by scaring the living shit out of anyone who tried to threaten him, and was Jon's inspiration for deciding to refuse Stannis' offer of becoming Jon Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, and keep his oath to the Night's Watch. - Lady - Died because Joffrey, Cersei and Robert were fuckwits. - Nymeria - Leads a wolf pack like 200 strong, pulls Catelyn Stark's corpse from the river therefore being essential to the creation of Lady Stoneheart. Wargs into Arya constantly from across the whole damn Narrow Sea, and indirectly helps Arya see again as Arya tapping into warging abilities constantly helped her learn to warg into a cat at will when she was blind. - Summer - Bran's introduction to skinchanging and his powers as a Greenseer. Also fights undead. Manages to beat up Varamyr Sixskins and create his own wolf pack with another warg as a subordinate. - Shaggy Dog - The most vicious of them all and seemingly allowed Rickon to be the first to warg, becoming an integral part of Rickon's identity and childhood. And in the show the remaining four are being killed off or sidelined for CGI budget.

[@sheylishka.]

@@wafflingmean4477 Really? Wow! Good to know. I'm a fan of the show, and everytime a wolf dies it hurts my heart. Once the GoT show ends, I will definitely read the books.

[@wafflingmean4477]

@@sheylishka. I really wish I read them beforehand but I found the books through the show. Trust me, they're amazing. If you want an idea of the increased scale of events, a battle in show with two parties involved could have 10 parties involved in the books. Seriously there's a battle coming up (one that's been in show already) that I've actually counted how many different groups are at play, many with their own armies, and the count was about 10. Also, when you're done, watch every fan theory on youtube and you will blow your mind.

[@quantumquinoa]

chill mccool AGREED 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@claretravels783]

"The Red Wedding was one of the most tragic events in book or TV history - here, let's explore how it could be even more tragic." Thanks!

[@highlandoutsider]

I lost sleep after reading the sewn head part, was just so freakin brutal, both phyisically and emotionally horrific.

[@fitbullaussie9002]

absolutely felt the same - it's the ultimate desecration

[@bearcubdaycare]

Highland Outsider It's partly about people reveling so enthusiastically in the inhumanity of what they've done.

[@gregmcgregginton574]

I actually don't like it. I get they wanted something shocking on screen, but it was just unnecessary

[@oldslowcoach]

@@gregmcgregginton574 smh

[@gregmcgregginton574]

@@wrath_of_thrawn2163 I realize it isn't unrealistic and it's what the storymaker chose for the story. still don't like it and still think it's unecessary lol

[@samgilley3160]

At least we know he went out fighting. "...Starks direwolf killed four of our wolfhounds and tore the kennelmaster's arm off, even after we filled him with quarells..." (Merret Frey, asos epilogue)

[@makouras]

You're completely missing the point of the story, then. The essence of the plot is that war, fighting, killing, they are all futile. Renouncing violence completely is the answer.

[@kyekimler]

I mean, his body was never found. It's definitely possible he managed to live, perhaps we'll see him show up to Nymeria while Arya is warging, or the Brotherhood will find him. Probably not however.

[@kanta4549]

@@kyekimler Nah grey winds head is sowed on robbs body, he dead dead.

[@kyekimler]

@@kanta4549 This comment was a while ago but I believe I was replying to a comment which is now long deleted, I was referring to Raynald Westerling, not Robb.

[@quicksilvertongue3248]

Merret was confessing to Stoneheart, so perhaps zombie Catelyn knows now that her firstborn is also undead. Them and Uncle Benjen the Drizzt of White Walker's might have a neat little Addams Family reunion in book 7, assuming we successfully resurrect GRRM after he writes himself into a grave getting book 6 done a mere five years from now.

[@SasukeUchiha5DX]

He does die twice. Once in the show and once in the books. :)

[@merrittanimation7721]

GalaxyDragon (facepalms)

[@assalane]

Door's over there

[@danny_rose-peters]

GalaxyDragon you made me laugh

[@rodrigomedeirosdasilva6915]

Actually, that could mean he dies four times....

[@danny_rose-peters]

Michael exactly

[@MaxMustermann-go8xf]

It would seem like Martin to have a good character die more than one gruesome death...

[@deg1studios]

@LagiNaLangAko23 meh. he dies for real eventually. Vargo Hoat's death is probably worse. The Mountain too. Oberyn. Ralf Kenning. Dornella Hornwood. etc.

[@joeschmoe3665]

I really like that George didn't give the wolves heroic cool sounding names but instead Rickon names his "shaggydog" like a four year old probably would

[@Yeomannn]

Shaggydog is a literary term for a pointless plot device.

[@AltShiftX]

Also, a Westworld video is coming - soon!

[@nikhilaryal]

Alt Shift X plz plz plz make a vid on ending theory. Your works are just magnificient.

[@AcidicChaosLP]

This is like, the best news i heard all day.

[@Bastrdblume]

omg yes yes yes

THANK YOU! It's the best series I've ever watched.

[@swagbanterlol181]

Can you make another game of thrones vid

[@mikeymegamega]

...The moment I started watching this I realised where it was heading and felt really sad!

[@ivartheboneless7914]

You didn't highlight the fact that Grey wind died *before* Robb did in the show, but in the books it was the other way around. I'm just saying that so people who only watch the show don't get confused. Anyway, a great video as always! This has never crossed my mind.

[@Neseine]

Game of Shows thank you i was confused before reading your comment.

[@ivartheboneless7914]

Neseine B I'm glad I could help.

[@Tubbs_1971]

Game of Shows i think in the show Robb dies before grey wind. The slaughter didn’t start until the rains of castamere played and Robb lasted like 2 minutes after that. If the wolf died first in the show it was still has to be after robb was killed.

[@ivartheboneless7914]

Tubbs 1971 I've watched the Red wedding like at least 50 times over. First, Talisa is stabbed in the gut, then Robb is shot with crossbows, and finally Catelyn gets shot by a crossbow in the back. In the next scene, Arya sees Grey wind being pierced by multiple crossbows of some Frey soldiers. He dies, and the Hound stops Arya from going to her mother and brother. That is when Talisa dies, Robb gets stabbed by Roose, and Catelyn gets her throat cut. And btw, your last sentence kinda doesn't make any sense.

[@thaneofwinrun7750]

Actually if we want to get technical in the books we have no idea if grey wind is dead or not. It is an off screen death, so we just hear stories about it, and the stories have inconsistencies. There are stories about northmen turning into wolves and raging through the camp. Even the quotes presented in this video for greywinds death don't completely agree with each other. Grey wind may very well be dead but we have to be really careful with off screen deaths we only hear differing stories about. If we were taking every story at face value then Sansa turned into a half bat half wolf and flew away from the red keep. Stories can easily be bullshit, so there is some possibility that grey wind fucked a bunch of people up and ran away, maybe to join nymeria who is in that area. We just don't know.

[@irinahornung8657]

Jon season one: You Starks are hard to kill! Ned: Caitlyn: Rickon (in the show): Robb: Are you sure about that

[@maxb2021]

Robb is one of the only Starks other than Arya that commands my respect, he is pragmatic like Tywin but he is merciful also, a rare combination in Westeros. A shame he made the classic Stark mistake and didn't pick his company better

[@skwisgaarskwigelf331]

Oooooh... Did I just found a Stark fanboy? Oh, so salty... Now you're gonna deny me that he was dumb enough to not listen to his advisors, his mother and even his direwolf? You deny that marrying the damn Jeyne Westerling (whose house is sworn to house Lannister) was stupid as fuck? How about him dropping one of his lords' head from his shoulders when he could've just inprison him until the war was over? There are other things that I can't recall, but I think I just made my point clear. He wasn't technically retarded. But he was a immature lad. And he, because he was a kid AND a king, should have listened, instead of thinking with his dick.

[@maxb2021]

lol the guy who calls people retarded and can't handle being called retarded, writes a full paragraph about Robb's immaturity. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[@skwisgaarskwigelf331]

+Max Bassianini I haven't called anyone retarded. I said some FICTIONAL CHARACTER from a book was retarded. Check your facts. Besides, you and Zach took it personally and even insulted me because I stated MY OPINION. Furthermore, I presented the reasons to support my opinion, so I don't think I deserve the way you are treating me. +Zach Kabia I understand the things Robb must had endured, the pressure and the difficulties. And his cause was a good one; save his father (though later on avenge him), save his sisters, etc. But no one is gonna think about the many thousands of deaths that the stupid Game of Thrones the Lords play is causing? One of Martin's intentions to show us is that war is for the sake of a few highborns, but in the end it only causes suffer and tragedy to everyone, especially the common people. This has even said by Alt Shift X a few times in his videos. All this Game of Thrones thing is pointless (though entertaining for us readers). What is important is to be united for saving Westeros against the imminent threat that is looming above all of them. I'd like to make another point... Robb should have gone North again to save his own land, IMO. He won every battle but he lost the war, even before he died. I'm currently re-reading the books for the 3rd time, and I'm juuust in that chapter in ASOS when Hoster passes away and Lothar and Walder Rivers are in Riverrun to treat with Robb. Catelyn (I don't recall if that was the chapter or the previous one) presents Robb the option of surrender. What does Robb say? No chance. It's his stupid pride, among many other mistakes that made him lose the war (and his head). Every one makes mistakes (even the damn Tywin with his hatred towards Tyrion), but if you make mistakes constantly and you don't act like a king should (for instance, keep your vows), then you're doomed. Because yeah, why Robb's bannermen should keep loyalty to Robb when he doesn't keep his words?

[@wafflingmean4477]

They really do have a habit of it don't they? - Ned Stark trusted Peter Baelish too much, who then led him into a trap which ultimately led to his death. - Robb Stark trusted Roose Bolton too much, giving him too much control over his army, which Roose used to get a third or so of Robb's army killed deliberately, and use his distance from Robb to discretely hand over Jamie to Tywin and organise the Red Wedding with Tywin and Walder Frey. - Robb also trusted the Westerlings too much. For anyone who doesn't know in the books Robb married a girl called Jeyne Westerling. Talisa never existed in the books. The girl cared for him after he received a grievous wound, and cared for him emotionally after he got word his little brothers were dead. When he had sex with her he believed the only honourable thing to do was marry her. The Westerlings plotted to betray Robb from the start, as he had conquered the castle (which was how they met), as Jeyne's mother kept spiking her drinks with Moon Tea to prevent Jeyne from getting pregnant so Robb wouldn't have an heir (Jeyne only found out after Robb's death) and the rest of the Westerlings flipped sides the moment Robb died. One seemed to even be plotting to betray Robb long term as Grey Wind kept on having to be held back from killing him even when Robb clearly didn't want him to. - Jon Snow did not realise how much he had escalated the situation in Castle Black, trusting that while his men might turn on the Wildlings he was bringing south of the wall, they wouldn't turn on him. He also sent all of his allies away from Castle Black. He sent Sam to Oldtown, he sent Aemon with him (to prevent Stannis from burning him), and he sent all the rest of his friends besides Doloros Ed who would have died for him to other castles, as them being too casual with him was undermining his authority in front of other brothers of the Night's Watch. He should have kept them close.

[@TrueCarthaginian]

@Samuel Bradley He was right, though. Robb made lots of stupid mistakes. He was a talented battlefield commander and usually a decent man, but that's all. Breaking his oath to Walder was neither pragmatic nor merciful. Turning his back on Grey Wind was neither pragmatic nor merciful. Trusting Roose Bolton was neither pragmatic nor merciful. Executing Karstark was neither pragmatic nor merciful. These were all foolish decisions that cost thousands of men their lives and nearly destroyed house Stark, along with several other Northern houses. I am a Stark fanboy, and Robb was a fool.

[@The80sWolf_]

NED WARGED INTO ARYA

[@joeyzmigrodski3671]

OMG YOURE SO RIGHT

[@joeyzmigrodski3671]

MUCH SMART

[@Martinpvhs12]

Nah ned warged into those damn birds

[@TheProtagonizer]

My Nigga lol

[@rickyhunt4075]

My Nigga not sure if youre joking or not. But Ned was not a warg at all. He did not warg into birds or anything else. It was the direwolves that awakened the starks children ability to warg Ned did not have one obviously. George also said that while Sansa was a Warg she lost all her warging ability when Lady died.

[@sweetgotsweeter2116]

This is literally the cruelest video I ever watched. How could you make the Red Wedding MORE tragic 😭😭

[@oberstul1941]

I swear to God, the Red Wedding was the most soul crushing thing I ever read. It made me physically ill and left me kinda depressed for a while. And for fuck's sake, somebody already had spoiled it for me before I even read it.

[@Raktasdelespacio]

“For he who lives more lives than one More deaths than one must die.” Oscar Wilde

[@theseance4271]

I think about the event of his death so daily. Robb is truely one of my favorite literary characters due to how well he exemplifies the tragic folk hero.

[@kevin-iq1bi]

The image of Grey wind on robs body and the freys mocking him screaming king of the north makes me feel so uncomfortable and disturbed

[@Aytierrez]

Me pre-video: "What kind of stupid, ridiculous, far-fetched theory is Alt Shift X trying to get away with this time?" Me post-video "Holy shit...it all makes perfect sense....." Every. Single. Time. Great video!

[@Gardstyle35]

why did you thought its far fetched?

[@liamimbriolo6066]

Dude, I enjoy your work but seriously. The red wedding was tragic enough. Now we get to hear it was even more tragic with twice as much emotion and pain? Mah Hart. Mah Sol.

[@meyedraven6039]

the red wedding made me cry so much.... thank you, now you just made it even more sad.

[@mmg0067]

Please make a video on how Robb could've won the war, covering all the mistakes he's made and saying what he should've done instead.

[@Mateo12485]

He couldn't have won the war. Even if he kept the karstark men, got walder frey's men, and took casterly rock. We now know the rock is useless. They would've took it and lost the war anyways from a lack of resources. If they attacked kings landing straight away, they would've lost like stannis. The only way they would've had a chance is with the greyjoys, but that wasn't in rob's control. Baelon would've had to agree, which he'd never do.

[@xstoofpeer]

MMG 006 He should have kept Jaime as prisoner, not break his promise to the freys, told Edmure about his battle plans, and shouldnt have executed karstark

[@xstoofpeer]

Mateo12485 That is not true, kings landing was in a very weak state and they would be attacked by two sides. Stannis had a much smaller force and almost won if not for the tyrells coming and the wildfire trick

[@Xob_Driesestig]

If he had just married the Frey's like he was supposed to he would have the support of the frey's and he would have been able to keep the riverlands. If he didn't send theon to the ironborn, he could have had their support, they could have raided the lannisters, so he could focus on tywins forces. If he had reached out to Stannis, I'm sure they could have crushed the lannisters together. If he had treated with the Tyrells after king Renly's death, they could have defeated the Lannisters. I'm sure he could have made some secret deal with the Martells or the Royce's he could have gained the support of the Dornish and part of the Vale. Any one of these options could have resulted in a successful campaign, but unfortunately he didn't

[@Ben.Pickett3]

xbob Driesestig i think stannis was off the cards since he was so stubborn and would refuse to cooperate unless robb bent the knee

[@rallis3937]

The only channel i have clicked the bell icon on.

[@EvanSol919]

Jo_ho_ho Me too!

[@Chinthyyy]

same

[@Cissablack708]

Jo_ho_ho same!

[@Double0hobo]

Me too but mine was on accident so i unclicked it.

[@stephanwackman5816]

Damn, imagine: The Winds of Winter Chapter I: Ghost

[@treesarecool12345678]

I’m sure in Varamyr’s prologue we learn that after a skinchanger dies and moves into his second life, they then lose the ability to skinchange again.

[@mattv2099]

i hope GRRM finishes this damn series. then sits down for a Q&A. that's about all he has time for.

[@comandantethorn9929]

its so deeply tragic the way that both Jon and Robb were betrayed and both's last words were the name of their wolves, it shows how even among all of their worries in their lifes, their respective wolf just had such a big connection with them that the last thing they thought of was them, maybe asking for help or maybe as a warning, it also goes to show the simmetries between Jon and Robb, they were clearly close ofcourse, Robb declared Jon his heir if he were to die, they were both betrayed, both following Neds footsteps to their death (even though Jon does comeback).

[@Mgnony]

I'll say it again, the most underrated character is Rickon Stark.

[@lemonaidek1206]

How is he underrated

[@Mgnony]

@@lemonaidek1206 Honestly, I don't remember what I meant by this comment or how it's related to the content. My guess is that I was being sarcastic given the fact that Rickon had little to no role to play in the show.

[@Cybermat47]

Catelyn becomes a zombie in the books?! I... I need to read the books...

[@Armageddon2077]

I heard a theory that Ned Stark warged in to a bird when he died. That's why the first thing we hear after he dies is the flutter of wings and when Arya opens her eyes she she's a flock of birds flying away.

[@mimir4965]

No no no. Robert Baratheon warges into one of the pigeons along with Ned, and as Arya walks down the Kings Road the two pigeons morph their heads into the heads of the characters respectively. Robert says "THE HOOOOAR is pregnant" and they fly away with Arya towards the sunset.

[@Omiku-chan]

OMG... this also makes a parallel between Robb's death and his father's, both seeing Arya at the end... that could mean so many things... it makes me think of so many theories!

[@ananijedzankic]

omggg

[@rocknrolllives]

Although I do think giving a character a dramatic death then reviving them diminishes the impact of the death (Unless it's vital to the story), having Robb Warg into Westerling and briefly return would be good. Although I''d prefer it to be only hinted at rather than stated our right.

[@AngloCelt88]

They can call him king in the North all they want, Robb was always more Tully than Stark, in appearance and personality.

[@electromika]

Talisa ain't got nothing on Jeyne

[@Gareth885]

AltShiftx returning like the winds of winter

[@gamerex9378]

Nah that's cool. Just break my heart. I wasn't using it anyways.

[@sembrubaker6778]

im pretty much convinced now that this is how jon will come back in the books now

[@EdVarkarion]

1:15 I thought ASX, was going to say "Direwolves are like wolves, but dire"

[@brad5794]

Robb is a great character study. Looking back he wanted to do good, and although you felt really bad for him when he dies....deep down you know it was truly justified, which makes all of his previous actions hold so much weight

[@FAMuzZle]

Just curious, but what makes you think that his death is justified?

[@peshmerge44]

Wowowow. Beware of Brad guys. Don't promise him anything you can't fullfill or he will stab you in your heart.

[@The_Reductionist]

stupid decisions as king. Killing karstark during a war, holding jamie and then losing him (should've foreseen his mother trying to free sisters) and of course, betraying freys. He was about as bad a king as kings get. He got all his people slaughtered, even joffrey didn't do that. In the end, intentions don't matter, results do.

[@wangtoriojackson4315]

I wouldn't say his death was justified. I would say he had it coming. That's not really the same thing.

[@May04bwu]

He was inexperienced and did mistakes but didn't deserve to die for it like that. Karstark was an idiot and nobody would keep an ally like that. Not even Tywin.

[@blockyorbits2376]

I think if Robb would of actually warged a second time, he would of tried to save Arya and not have abandoned her.

[@ananijedzankic]

100 percent. no doubt in my mind

[@chrisbaines5152]

"Next book" -Yeah I wish I had more confidence that said book was actually definitely coming.

[@chrisbaines5152]

"Actually definitely" was necessary here bro. I don't want to say that I don't believe it is coming, I just wish I was sure, and I'm not.

[@chrisbaines5152]

It's simply not safe to assume that we're actually getting another book IMO.

[@danb6742]

It’s probably coming about in 2019 after S8

[@chrisbaines5152]

Dan B I hope so, but GRRM's motivation to write is something I have serious doubts about.

[@danb6742]

Chris Moore I think George still writes He’s was busy AF with the show And he’s working on 4 prequels

[@kennithjones5907]

Robb resisted Grey Wind, I think he knew he was a warg and was afraid of it. I do believe that he died twice, as you say.

[@benjaminjeffery6873]

Anyone else going through Alt shift X videos before, wishing they had no knowledge of the latter seasons, reminiscing the mysteries and intrigues that the story gave us.

[@moff181]

Going full Preston at the end there

[@thetgomes6322]

The Red Wedding was probably the best adaptation of the book we ever will see, the emotion and surprise it gave us is incredible.

[@tobiasash9281]

Ive always wondered about the scratches on lady stonehearts eyes. Do you think its possible that Robb also tried to warg her, instead of Raynald Westerling? It reminds me of Varamyr trying to warg the spear wife, with her clawing at her eyes.

[@theseventh7]

Tobias Ash Cat clawed her eyes because she saw Robb get killed

[@pmmeyourdadjokes9811]

I'd love to see a longer analysis on some important wolf dreams explained , like you did with Dany and the temple of undying

[@daddyleon]

Isn't the real question: will Jon's personality change, like Catelyn's did, or will the assumed fact that he warged into Ghost, protect him from this deterioration so he can be his old self again? I tink it will, I think this will also make him heed Mel's words: keeping Ghost closer and becoming a better warg.

[@badunderwear6662]

Hahahahahhahahaha my sweet summer child

[@tomfisher1242]

Love this, one note, the warg ability is in the body, and once you leave your body, you can only return to your body or die. As Varamyr could not leave his wild body after his mans body died.

[@Fbnkstr]

Another great explanation, thank you!

[@AltShiftX]

Cheers Fabian! (:

[@dorkmax7073]

5:16 "Deliberate parallel" More of a perpendicularity, but whatever

[@d3lt452]

Game of thrones: Robb dies twice.

[@amchannel8087]

Title:Rob stark dies twice Me:...wut

[@rushabhbhakta7181]

I upvote these videos while the ad is still playing.

[@IAMSOUND99]

what a hero you are, look at you

[@rushabhbhakta7181]

I’m a bloody champion of men.

[@Gardstyle35]

ad? What ad?

[@Rachel_Tensions]

BLNK BLNKRSN how are youtubers supposed to make moneyh if you have ads blocked?

[@Gardstyle35]

Daniyal you could pay sth instead of wasting time...

[@CrazzyJokerr]

I have a Alaskan Malamute, she looks like the wolves in the show and follows me everywhere, when I stop when we are walking to check my phone or sth else, she sits next to me immediately. I never trained her to do that, she did this since I got her as a puppy. Maybe I'm a Stark ?!

[@noxillius1363]

Oh my god?! Intelligent animals are intelligent?!@# Who would've thought!!

[@CrazzyJokerr]

@@noxillius1363 listen u genius, normaly u need to teach such behavior to a dog, especially malamutes who do what they want. I meet with the other dog owners of her brothers and sisters twice a year and she is the only one who stays with me unless I tell her to go and run. Her siblings barely even do what the owners tell em. Most of the times they continue playing instead of following orders. These people even asked me for my secret and I told them I have no clue why she does that. And dogs are not intelligent as u suggest they are very sensitive and this behavior isn't intelligent, it's just extremely uncommon especially for this race.

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

I love how in the books there are so many freaking zombies. Like we got ice zombies, fire zombies, nature zombies (like Coldhands), tree zombie/undead (Brynden), there's Lady Stoneheart who is also a fire zombie maybe?, then there Gregor whose a science zombie and there's the stonemen, who are... Like water magic zombies or whatever. Damn George RR. Loves his zombies. (he's actually nights King plot twist)

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

Keeping Grey Wind near, keeping Roose Bolton near & never trusting a Greyjoy was some solid advice from Catelyn that Robb ignored. If he'd listened he might have lived.

[@Pop_Shepski]

Maybe it’s just coincidence, but does anyone notice that Bran never wakes up until Lady is killed?? I feel that Brans mind was likely jumping around and probably stuck around in Lady to follow the rest of his family down south. Did Bran bite Joffrey ?!

[@kayvanantwerpen6393]

I thought this same thing, 'cause in the show it cuts to Bran jumping awake and looking horrified immediately after Lady is killed. I was watching the series for the first time and hadn't read any of the books and asked my roommate who was super into them about that, and he told me probably not, but I still kinda think I was right.

[@jonsnow8756]

Oh shit youre right

[@MoniiKaq]

It was Nymeria who bite Joffrey not Lady. If Lady's death was connected with Bran awakening it was more in a way that it was necessary to give bloody sacrifice for Gods to help him come back. Although I don't know for sure if you are talking about show or books, or both.

[@Pop_Shepski]

Moni Ka Oh yeah. You are right about Nymeria. Show only. I haven’t read books yet. I will wait till everything is completely done

[@MoniiKaq]

OMG untill EVERYTHING? It will take probably about 10 years xD If Martin even manage to end this books at all, because it is not certain :/ But waiting at least to Winds of Winter is good idea. I hope it will take no more than a year but I had the same hope in previous year..

[@DJ42288]

only altshiftx can make the saddest moment in the show and make it even sadder

[@aboomination897]

If only Walder knew...he could've made Rob his own version of Reek.

[@flamingfishsticks1412]

No way Robb could just casually warg into another human. Varamyr is an extremely skilled warg and can't control another wildling. Bran has trouble controlling a simpleton at first.

[@jonsnow6430]

Not a terrible video, but there are other theories you could work on Alt-Shift X. For instance, is Arya going to kill queen Cersei? In ACoK, Tyrion is talking with Varys about the manner of Ser Courtnay Penrose and Renly. Tyrion doubts the existence of dark magic and states that Stannis could hire an assassin: "A very skilled assassin." "There are such. I used to dream that one day I'd be rich enough to send a Faceless Man after my sweet sister." - Tyrion X ACoK Which gives rise to idea that Arya could use Jaime's face in an assassination attempt of Cersei through Tyrion's plotting, thus fulfilling the valonqar prophecy. Arya knows of Maegor's tunnels, Tyrion knows where it leads (Cersei's bed chambers, for instance). Arya is also one of two people who experienced Ned Stark's beheading and the aftermath of the Red Wedding. The second part of the Legend of Lightbringer involves capturing a lion and driving the sword through the heart. Ned Stark's Ice is going to become Lightbringer, so that means if Arya has Jaime's face she also has Widow's Wail. (Ned Stark's Ice becomes Fire/Lightbringer reflects the series' inspiration: LoTR. GRRM stated that LoTR is is the biggest influence on the series. Narsil, the sword that was shattered and cut the ring off Sauron, was reforged into Andúril: the flame of the west. Plus the series name is "A Song of _Ice_ and Fire" and Ned Stark's Ice is on the front cover of the first book). And Arya was trained by Syrio forel to capture cats and the Hound taught Arya how to euthanize people by stabbing them in the heart. The act of euthanizing someone is called "the gift of mercy". Arya has a chapter in TWoW where she plays in a play about Tyrion Lannister called "The Bloody Hand". This chapter is referred to as "Mercy". The show has its own twist to the play: Arya isn't an actor but rather a spectator. She is sent on a redemption mission to kill the actor who plays Cersei Lannister. Arya is caught by Lady Crane (the said actor) and they talk. Arya gives Lady Crane advise on playing the scene where Cersei lost Joffrey, very likely in reflection of Catelyn watching her first born son die infront of her. When Lady Crane asks Arya for her name she replies "mercy". Then there's the infamous "_For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm_". "_When your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you_". The verse before the valonqar prophecy is from Symeon Silver Tongue's song about Tyrion visiting Shae at Chataya's and it was originally used (in the books) as a blackmail against Tyrion. The show reveals the significance of the verse, which I will get to later. The "Hands of Gold" refers to the golden chain of the hand (which Tyrion uses to strangle Shae with). The chain is worn by the Hand of the King. Tyrion's personal sigil is also a golden hand on a field of red surrounded by lions. However, this could be GRRM's clever double entendre. Jaime also has a golden hand. So "For hands of gold are always cold, _but a woman's hands are warm_" could mean "Tyrion nor Jaime is the actual valonqar, but a woman". Go look up the scene with Ed Sheeran in it. You hear him singing it when Arya is riding through the woods. Then he gets up to the golden hands refrain and all the Lannister men sing "For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm. For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are..." and they stop RIGHT as they say "but a woman's hands are..." and they look at Arya. And that ENTIRE SCENE concludes with Arya saying "I'm going to kill the queen". You should do a video on this theory. www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7jpr67/spoilers_main_arya_is_neds_gift_of_mercy/ The entire series starts out with Ned granting mercy to Cersei for her children, so when Ned tells Robert the truth Robert won't kill the children. Now her children is gone, she is driven mad. "When your tears have drowned you" reflects the idea that killing her would be an act/gift of mercy. Arya is going to deliver the justice Ned could not bring to Cersei and it's a literary parallel that her giving Cersei the gift of mercy reflects her father giving Cersei mercy.

[@The_Custos]

"You had us in the first half, not gonna lie." - Robb *Then dies again as a wolf and gets defiled*

[@jamesosborn2719]

Fantastic video! I have been just a fan of the show but I intend to read the books soon. I have been hoping for a connection between the Starks & their wolves like in the movie ‘Dragonheart’ & this is adding to my beliefs!! A lot of people took issue with Arya surviving her wound in Bravvos but I feel that if she can connect with her wolf across the sea that implies a deep connection & maybe since her wolf is alive she is able to heal (with proper medical attention). We never see Sansa take a death blow after Lady’s death so can’t test it on her. The idea that Jon goes into Ghost is awesome & we see Ghost look up at Jon right before he “wakes up”. Summer’sdeath felt out of place & not sure if GRRM would have written that or not. Thanks!!!

[@DD-ok2pt]

Can't help but notice the resemblance between Rob/GreyWind mutation and the Hound when he wears his helmet​. Perhaps Rob warged into the Hound instead. In fact, in the show, ​there is the exact same shot of Arya looking at both riding on a horse.

[@daniorerio9694]

I always loved your videos (and don't get me wrong: I also liked this one, but not as much as many of the others.), but within the last months, I often asked myself: Isn't there more interesting stuff to talk about? ASOIAF is full of mysteries, und I would love to see more videos like the one about Varys/the Blackfyre theory (my personal favourite), the Faceless Men/Euron or the Great Northern Conspiracy, about theories that could change our perspective on the whole story. I know about Aegon's conquest or Rhaegar Targaryen, so these videos didn't catch my attention like the more speculative ones used to do. There are so many topics you could cover without entering tinfoil territory - the Great Empire of the Dawn, the role of Ashara Dayne, Melisandre's origins, plans and her final fate, Marwyn the Mage, Patchface, the Deep Ones or the "great stone beast" from Dany's visions in the House of the Undying, ... -, and I would lave to see you tailking about them!

[@dahalofreeek]

(In the books) There is a character Orell who is a wildling warg who wargs into an eagle and that eagle still attacks Jon even after he kills Orell.

[@isnapped4204]

This.... this doesn’t make me feel better

[@Etrehumain123]

6:06 You are astonishing for this exact moment, in each vidéos. You offer an amazing theory that blow your mind, and then you say "we can go further". And that's where your videos shine and are the best on youtube about GOT topic

[@Brewski-Beaver]

Maybe before Ned Stark was executed he wargs into ghost to keep that promise he made to Lyanna to keep John safe?

[@andrewhunt7328]

Awww that is so sweet.I can imagine that being the case. When Jon goes to kings landing he has become a man which is why he sends his dire wolf away with Tormund.

[@_faultee_]

This video and theory are so good. I really like the idea of Rob seeing Arya before dying a second time.

[@carlosmarcus3286]

GoT is Sekiro? Alt Shift is Vaati confirmed!

[@wizkidgamer9942]

No no, Alt Shift is Hawkshaw. World of difference

[@ryanharris7891]

I love how people say the red wedding was a big surprise and it came out of nowhere, after rewatching GoT again it was hinted for a long time

[@ForestRaptor]

By the old gods... have a happy weekend people XD

[@Tsho101]

I love this channel. I consider myself a dedicated and knowledgeable Ice and Fire fan, but these videos always show me something new.

[@DømīnïkLx1]

Just a question: Did they beheaded Robb as well or did they just put the direwolves head over his?

[@lazarus2249]

Give this man a contract to do books on tape for the thrones series please. Oh and added bonus he provides theories and comments at the end of each chapter

[@ArnaAlayneMorton]

It would be cool if Jon came back in the books with white Targ hair like Ghost 😅 or Gandalf for that matter haha

[@78729]

That would be cool, given his Targaryen heritage.

[@SchmegmaOnToast]

It would be cool if we even got TWOW; I'd be happy if Jon comes back with a receeding hairline, even

[@b.3049]

No, that would actually be really cringy.

[@kryiptton3855]

the only thing that is cringe around here is you

[@cclayton70]

It would be cooler if his eyes were revealed to be a shade of purple, but you can’t tell because of his hair. Kinda like Aegon

[@KamikazeCommie501]

Didn't have to watch the rest after you said 'direwolf'. The rest of the video played itself out in my head because I knew everything you would say after that.

[@eirikco]

Excellent work! ♥️

[@heretohear1847]

HIs disconnection from Grey Wind for me was supposed to be symbolic somewhat like he was losing his identity and what made him a stark more and more as his stayed in the south culminating in his death

[@jondw]

It is established in the books that a skin changer can't change out of the body they change into after they die. I can see the Jon thing happening because Jon's body would be resurrected but the Rob into another person thing, probably not

[@rickyhunt4075]

jon dw He does say grey wind right before he dies though and was a warg he likely the second before death like Jon.

[@jondw]

Ricky Hunt ya I am fully ok with that part of the theory

[@gregmattes2119]

jon dw they can't do it after they die, but they can do it while they're dying. Varamyr six skins does it and so does the dude with the eagle. It's a pretty common thing for wargs and they are said to get a second life in their animal

[@jondw]

Greg Mattes yes I am aware of that all I am saying is once his original body died he wouldn't be able to warg out of grey wind

[@gregmattes2119]

jon dw well yeah but since he's a warg he would have done it as he was dying

[@yossarian8561]

I'd like to think of a the start family of death, with two resurrected members, Robb inside of raynald, and Arya as the death preist or whatever

[@bellringer53]

I may be wrong (just started to get into the books, and the show never interested me after season 4) but is Rob the only dead Stark child? That seems odd to me.

[@yossarian8561]

@@bellringer53 yeah I'm pretty sure, unless I'm autistic at the moment

[@lydiaquinn2892]

Wow ....that was so intense, so creative and never saw it coming. Very cool Shift!

[@supercow5555]

Hey, I Love your videos, Could you possibly do one covering the Blackfyre rebellions?