Does Science Make Faith Obsolete? | James Tour at Mississippi State University

[@AlbertoTaure]

"In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government. In America you can criticize the government, but not Darwin." Jun-Yuan Chen, The Wall Street Journal, August 16, 1999, quoting this Chinese paleontologist who claimed that his fossil finds were inconsistent with Darwinism.

[@JoshuaHults]

+Alberto F. Taure Very well said sir, never heard it put like that. That is oh so true.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

I REALLY enjoyed reading the 2 quotes you pasted here, Alberto. Thank you for sharing those!

[@kristenhansen1843]

Is Jun-Yuan Chen associated with 'The Discovery Institute'? If he is it sure hurts his credibility.

[@rubiks6]

@@kristenhansen1843 - What's more important? Credibility or truth? Jesus Christ was not considered credible by the leading religious authorities. He is, in fact, the Son of God.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Kristen Hansen, Someday you will learn the truth and you will either set you free or condemn you. The decision was yours to make and still is as far as I’m concerned

[@seekinggod3174]

God bless Dr. James Tour and Dr. Fitzkee. Thank the Lord for His mercy and grace!

[@a1dyns]

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[@ELIJA40]

James Tour. Top scientist.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Actually he is a scientist infected with creationism. Quite often this delusion lasts until death. It's a socially transmitted psychosis that needs profound psychiatric intervention.

[@kristenhansen1843]

@Andrei rRRr - I thank you for the opportunity to reply to your question. Brainwashed is a term that completely and accurately describes creationists. You can see it in the Sunday-school lectures given by "Dr." James Tour, Stephen Meyer, Kent Hovind etc. It must be terrifying for them to see their income sources being shredded daily by the likes of me. Typically my comments are erased as soon as they appear. If you can describe a more believable theory than Darwinism (evolution) let's hear it. "God did it!" is not a theory. I realize that the big bang theory is difficult to conceptualize but it, too is a theory, a fairly well understood theory and one with a lot of sound arguments to support it. The "God-did-it" conjecture" is easy to conceptualize but impossible to understand in any detail - at least for critical thinkers. Then again, maybe the devil is in the details, as they say.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Elija40 - James Tour is a very capable technologist but not a good scientist.

[@flymasterA]

Kristen Hansen , But if the brain-washed do the brain-washing... ? If you knew the real truth, it would change your life. Religions and evolution are both tools in the hands of a master brain-washer. You've been brain-washed by one of many brainwashers. Accusing religion of brainwashing is like a democrat accusing a republican of corruption. Evolutionists are always asking creationists to prove it. Here's proof. Ancient humanly impossible stone-work, buildings, temples, walls, foundations, etc. were built by someone. Who? The bible has the answer, but the closed-minded are blind and clueless. Goes for religions also.

[@armandoc.3150]

@@flymasterA I ask you one question sir, how is one educated rather than delusional? Ik how youd respond so regardless of your reply my second question is, how is one to determine what's objective and what's subjective? I share the same belief in jesus so I dont need advice im just curious what your mindset is on these questions.

[@jonnewman7843]

While some may look upon these words and find disdain in them the truth of the matter is this; you live with faith.

[@mcmanustony]

Pompous nonsense.

[@AlbertoTaure]

" Evolution will come to seem laughable in a generation or two.” Thomas Nagel, atheist philosopher.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Laughable like creationists are today?? Not likely!

[@kristenhansen1843]

Thomas Nagel is a philosopher not a scientist. Mr. Nagel argues that instead of random evolution “cosmic predisposition" is what caused speciation. This was argued by Plato and Aristotle thousands of years ago. Darwin pretty much put that to rest. Metaphysical arguments typically rely on the occult, spirits, demons etc. Rather than relying on rational arguments, metaphysical arguments create a relatively unassailable position by introducing “evidence” that can't be disproved scientifically. Thomas Nagel, James Tour, Stephen Meyer use this form of argument constantly.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Kristen Hansen, And Dr. James Tour is one of the top organic chemists in the world today, your point?

[@dougoverhoff7568]

@@kristenhansen1843 "Rational" arguments? Do you mean only arguments that stem from empirical data? Is that to say that you only believe physical, or material, reality is all that exists, then? Hmm?😬

[@flymasterA]

Doug Overhoff , Nice comment. Doug, deceptions are a masterful evil work of the devil. People think they have just two choices- evolution or 'religion'. Satan owns both, so he wins either way. Adam learned what "good and evil" meant for him. Too bad he didn't learn 'truth vs lies', and taught that to his kids.

[@michaelwill7811]

The website Dr. Tour referenced, with regards to the question about the age of the universe: www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx Absolutely fascinating!

[@mcmanustony]

maybe if sufficiently drunk.....

[@leandrocastro2092]

I found both debaters quite ethical and honest to their knowledge.

[@andykreusel3099]

Thanks Dr. Tour.

Very good talk. The response to getting rid of all faith from illogical viewpoints : If you get rid of faith... Immoral and evil people are the effects of evolution. Therefore the end result is people that murder and pillage and wipe out millions of people because their genes evolved that way. Outcome [ Evolution is a flawed system ]

[@Ozone280]

@ Evolution is a flawed system! Dumb. I suppose you think your perfect god's creation - humans - are unflawed? Dogs can see, hear and smell better. Spiders can run faster pro rata. Turtles can live longer. The list is endless. Evolution is a flawed system explains all the above perfectly. "God did it" explains nothing at all, except how to turn otherwise normal people into people who talk like idiots.

@@Ozone280 also , you aren't logical enough to understand that you are the one filled with fallacies

[@Ozone280]

@ So the total balls up that genesis makes of the creation story by getting everything in the wrong order is another of god's miracles? Snakes and donkeys talk? A man can live inside a big fish? An ark can be built of wood and be so large that it couldn't float without breaking up yet it floated - with millions of animals on board? A man walked on water and cured death? Very comforting. Perhaps you should show some evidence for this god's existence before spouting nonsense when giving it attributes?

[@Ozone280]

@ Don't suppose you have any evidence to support all that diatribe do you? Thought not. Anyone who sees multi-eyed winged cherubs drinks too much. Tell me, what education is it possible to get from a blood dripping book of hate verses - aka The Goat Herder's Guide To The Galaxy?

[@flymasterA]

Someone please explain how the first cell formed, developed working systems and then divided everything plus the DNA equally and perfectly without compromising the cell wall, and then developed cell specialization. The pre-cells consisted of what? Then it died (new concept here)*. What drove this life process from lifeless minerals, water, and chemicals? DNA has codes from the parent cells, so where did the first codes come from? The more they try to replicate a cell, the more complex they find it, and the farther away they get from their goal. And that's in controlled labs with goals in mind. Lifeless nature has no goals, methods, repeatability, patterns, NOTHING that life requires to BE, much less self-start. *At this point, evolution would have favored cells that never died at all. Having to start over from scratch every time to find the previous cell path by another identical accident- impossible.

[@donweller3525]

evolution mr fly

[@donweller3525]

Ask this question to a biologist working in this field. rather than expecting an informed answer from random people in this forum

[@flymasterA]

Don Weller , you have no idea where I've been and who I've talked to for 4 decades. You answered. Why don't you enlighten me? How are actions that are not responses to stimuli stored in a cell, such as the complex dance of a male Bird of Paradise. That's a male only dance, yet carried in every cell of a dividing egg. That just happened by accident? The living cell is a miracle that you can't begin to comprehend. Scientists describe what they find, but haven't a clue beyond that, especially how and why.

[@donweller3525]

@@flymasterA I did not say I did know Have you got evidence for these cosmic invaders of which you speak. Appeals to incredulity are nor evidence. I've been around for alot longer than 4 decades and been an atheist for most of that.Stop appealing to miracles they describe nothing but your fantasies of the origin of life .Glad to have got you thinking but you have a long way to go.

[@flymasterA]

Don Weller , There's more evidence for aliens having been here on earth than there is for evolution. Living in denial has been programmed into you. A person who refuses to believe a crime has been committed will walk all over very clear evidence and never spot it. That's you. You also assume a lot of errors. Not very good for a scientist. I'm 70, not 40. I've studied for 40 rears. Never gave my age.

[@wolfgangmozartSM2032]

OH, NO! NO CAPTIONS?! I'm a deaf guy and I MUST HAVE CAPTIONS! I totally love Dr. Tour's Tour de Force lectures, so I watch as many vids of Dr. Tour that I can, so when I started this vid, I was totally DISMAYED that there were NO damn captions! Come on, man, you gotta turn on the captions feature -- easy to do, but it has to be done by the owner of this channel.

[@masada2828]

Wolfgang Mozart - I so agree with you. They must have captions so you also can enjoy!!

[@wolfgangmozartSM2032]

@@masada2828 Thanks, Masada2 Still no damn captions! I'm going to send the site an email right now.

[@jerubaal3333]

I wish I had had such a wonderfull Teacher like prof.Tour

[@boyofGod81]

GaryWalker oh Pray tell. Do you have the chemical processes for creating life, creating more complexity in life, first life had to be quite complex already and if you listen to Dr. tours proofs from his observable testable And repeatable experiments, you would see. God’s best

[@boyofGod81]

@ ​ dr tours is hard to follow, but keep trying to understand. so you dont put forth srawmen arguments. the theory goes like this: the natural universe has a beginning from nothing. the cause of the material universe would then have had to have had a supernatural cause. what brought time, space and matter into existence had to be timeless, spaceless, and supernatural. there is information rich natural phenomenon. the only known cause of information is intelligence and minds. therefore the need for an intelligent supernatural being. God's best

[@sanjosemike3137]

Even as a (retired) surgeon, I marvel at the genius of James Tour, Ph.d. I studied organic chemistry, physical chemistry and bio-chemistry. I found them intensely difficult, akin to learning to actually play the Rachmaninov 3rd Piano Concerto. I know that atheists hate him. But he has a level of intelligence that is mind boggling. I know there are some smart atheists too. But many of them are tuning into Deists, even if reluctantly. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@kkdoc7864]

In med school, we used to make fun of the orthopods and surgeons for being mechanics and not very good thinkers. After my second year of surgery residency (lol) at Ohio State, I changed my mind. Just like I’ve changed my mind about the infallibility of science. I used to think there was no exclusivity of any ideas where science was concerned. But with this evolution issue, the idea of a Creator is excluded as its primary premise. Therefore, any theories developed cannot include God, and anyone who believes otherwise is stupid for believing in fairy tales. And our children are becoming indoctrinated into atheism under the guise of “science”. Who thought that would ever happen?

[@sanjosemike3137]

Thanks kkdoc. Actually, while I was in practice I did encounter docs who were believers. I was an "angry atheist" due to the Holocaust. When in biochemistry I had to memorize parts of the Kreb's cycle. I hated doing it, but even then I marveled at the number of enzymes necessary to complete the cycle, and also the genius of the person who discovered it. It raised some interesting questions: Who could design or how could any non-directed evolutionary process develop the enzymes? How was it possible for Dr. Krebs to actually elucidate this process? How could J.S. Bach produce his MUSIC just from his brain? How do you explain genius? As a child I had an NDE during an ether-induced tonsillectomy. I didn't meet "anyone" but I saw the most magnificent curtains of colors while "hovering" over the table and the tonsil snares in my throat. I was just 6 years old. I tried to "relive" the colors, but obviously could not. Years later, I was lost at sea during a scuba diving incident, for about 3 hours. Completely alone. Or I thought I was. I "heard" a voice telling me to get my scuba mask wet, hold it over my head and use it as a mirror to help identify myself. It was my first dive. I didn't know that scuba masks could be used as a mirror. Something or someone told me. I was discovered and saved. I was NEVER terrified or frightened. People told me I should sue the kids who owned the scuba company for at least a million. But I was neither terrified nor "alone." It took me years to understand why: I had already experienced death. I am still not afraid of it. I never sued them. They probably prayed I would not. I couldn't do it because I would have to lie if I said I was scared or terrified. I never was. If you are lost and alone at sea and not terrified, you had a REAL NDE. I am a Deist. Atheism, even though I thought I was one...is untenable on a strictly statistical analysis. I know I will "return" to the colors. That's fine with me. Thanks for writing doctor. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@kkdoc7864]

San Jose Mike You only have one more step to go... from a Deist who thinks there was a Creator who started things, but left us alone after that, to a Christian who can live with God every second of every day. You have obviously tasted the supernatural. It is real HE is real. Not sure if you have listened to the Bible or read it, but John is a good place to start. If you find out how much you are loved and how the very hairs of your head are numbered (bald or not lol), and so many other wonderful things, you will continue in your journey to have heaven right here. Thank you so much for sharing what happened to you. There is no scientific explanation for your experience, and yet no one can convince you it didn’t happen. But that’s what atheists will tell you. “God is love” the scripture says....the very being and essence of love. And if you’ve experienced “love” in this life, it is only a fraction of it, sort of like the colors on earth being just a fraction of the true colors you saw. I’ll send you a link to KZbin bible reading by a British guy. I like it. God bless!

[@kkdoc7864]

San Jose Mike kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpa1e6iBac12gdE

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@kkdoc7864 Thank you deeply for your heartfelt post. I have been blessed in this life so profoundly that I have real doubts if I DESERVE it. It's not just that I thank God. I do. But if I am ever privileged to meet Jesus, I will first apologize to him for his suffering at the Cross. Nobody deserved to suffer like that, least of all Jesus. I am profoundly grateful, every day. Most of all, I am glad that Jesus' suffering is over. This is not about me. I never pray for myself. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@slobodancekic2755]

What a wonderful person!

[@lostat400]

I have looked at a lot of podcasts, looking for knowledge, wisdom and understanding, and it lead me to God. Such a search inevitably ends with God and Christianity because that is where they come from. The people with the right values to live by, who make the most sense, are Christians.

[@joels310]

Wow! What a great lecture

[@MrMosis]

Dr. Tour getting heated this time when it comes to the thought police Darwin Lobby Crusade. Very good talk!

[@kristenhansen1843]

By "thought police Darwin Lobby Crusade" do you mean 'rational thinkers'?

[@derhafi]

@Dusty Fred You don't set the bar too high. Young earth quackery got zero evidence.

[@LiMitZplus]

@@kristenhansen1843 I wouldn’t call being a materialist anything close to rational

[@donblosser8720]

@@kristenhansen1843 Explain how it is rational to believe that the universe came into existence from absolutely NOTHING with no intelligent cause agent. Explain how it is rational to believe that complex biological life came into existence from non-life. How does natural selection happen with non-living chemicals? Sounds pretty un-natural to me. Is Francis Collins rational? He believes in God and stated that Atheism is the LEAST rational explanation. Is double PhD John Lennox rational? He believes in God and he said, “Faith is not a leap in the dark; it’s the exact opposite. It’s a commitment based on evidence… It is irrational to reduce all faith to blind faith and then subject it to ridicule. That provides a very anti-intellectual and convenient way of avoiding intelligent discussion.” Was Anthony Flew, the famous Atheist, rational? His understanding of the science of microbiology led him to a belief in God. Is Richard Dawkins rational? Oh wait, he posited aliens as the possible source of life on earth. Not very rational since he totally side-stepped the question, "Where did the aliens come from?"

[@missapk]

Just as a doctor for malpractice or a CEO for failed fiduciary responsibility, "EDUCATORS" (incl administrators, textbook publishers, etc) SHOULD BE HELD LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE for PERPETUATING KNOWN FALLACIES. This would begin the critical task of returning our "educational systems" to their rightful purpose rather than being centers for ideologically-intentional indoctrination. We have quietly put up with known misrepresentations if not flat-out lies within "core curriculum" for decades, to the great disservice of generations of individuals, entire academic disciplines, and Western society as a whole. The Haeckel embryo drawings and the Piltdown Man hoax as regards Darwinian theory were both taught for decades after their proven fallacy, as was the falsified "hockey stick" data as regards "climate science", to cite just a few glaring examples. Sadly, the extreme success of such deceit has led to widespread expansion of such practices in most if not all disciplines, at most if not all levels of what I now only laughingly refer to as "education". It has also greatly empowered the most intellectually illicet among us - such as "Dirty Dawkins" calling for Christian parents to have their children taken away from them by the state, and advocating for "mild pedophilia".

[@mcmanustony]

You are a liar. Piltdown man was exposed as a hoax by the very scientists you sneer at. Do you know how books work?

[@blarpusbundersnatch9431]

You are pretty dumb, huh? What makes a known fallacy known, and to whom? Who enforces this policy? Administrators, lawyers, the state? Surely they won't have any biases. You make it sound like it is so easy to just reform institutions that are exploring the boundaries of our collective understanding.

[@Project-pq1qh]

Faith is the genus of science, therefore it is impossible for science to make faith obsolete. Great talk. Thank you!

[@donweller3525]

I thought genus was the division of species into groups of a similar nature?

[@derhafi]

There is nothing you can't take on faith. It's therfore useless for the separation of truth and fiction. Implying science requires faith is but a desperate attempt to put conclusions based on emperical evidence into the same irrational category as faith based convictions.

[@allensmith342]

@@derhafi You have much to learn about both science and faith, Robbie.

[@derhafi]

@@allensmith342 What would that be?

[@allensmith342]

@@derhafi Faith is merely belief whether rational or not. If you believe science then you have faith in it. Besides, who says faith-based convictions are irrational? Some are... some aren't. Belief itself is neither true or false; it's what is believed that makes the difference.

[@nanobandi1120]

super super,, I don't say this to be kind I really mean it... GOD bless you and your family Dr Tour.

[@adgrine]

We would love to have Dr. Tour come to Sandia National laboratories.

[@allensmith342]

So, why not respond to the initial invitation and go to him instead?

[@jesusm.candelario2859]

:Science always leads all the way back to a source, a programmer, an intelligent designer.

[@garywalker447]

Nope. There is NO evidence for any "intelligent designer".

[@ogmakefirefiregood]

@@garywalker447 I have noticed by looking through the comments you are a troll. By your words you will be condemned. Be careful friend. Give careful consideration of ALL the evidence, your eternal existence depends upon it.

[@garywalker447]

@@ogmakefirefiregood 1. Yeah I defend science from ignorant creationists. If that makes me a troll, I am a troll. 2. As there is no god, I am not afraid of that condemnation. 3. There is no eternal existence for anybody.

[@ogmakefirefiregood]

@@garywalker447 we are all entitled to our opinions. It would be hateful for me to not warn you if I truly believe in God. Have a great day.

[@garywalker447]

@@ogmakefirefiregood You are entitled to your opinion and religion, and I am entitled just as much, to reject it and frankly, Believe this fairy tale or you will go to hell is NOT a friendly gesture.

[@edmond2000]

"Atheism is the opium of the foolish" - Eddy Jay - Psalms 14:1

[@JR-nh7fc]

"Religion is the opium of the foolish" J R - KZbin comments

[@lrvogt1257]

Yeah right... Like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[@tiyuzafu5500]

👋 As one saved from complete and utter foolishness, I approve of this quote!!! It’s terrifying to be that blind when I look back. But by the sweet amazing Grace of God I have come to Live, truly see, truly heal, truly love, be truly born again and know true freedom, He gave me a peace I never could put in words and as his sweet sweet gold Word says the scales have fallen from my eyes and I can truly see. Atheism is laughable now!!! I was laughable!!! I was blind but now I see..Amazing patient Grace of God!! I’m forever thankful and I just hope that others would come to see!!

[@edmond2000]

@@tiyuzafu5500 Glory to God. Thank God for you. I pray many atheist will follow Jesus Christ

[@ezbody]

Keep pointing your fingers at the Atheists, perhaps no one will notice that rotten fruit of Christian "righteousness".

[@KevinKilgorepage]

Creation was and is a Miracle.

[@tiyuzafu5500]

Amen!!! I am so pleased with you!!! So happy to hear you speak Dr. Tour!!!

[@sum2automation]

Life, is truly a miracle and maybe a bit beyond our understand today. I don't have much faith compared to my strong belief in creation. But because of these great men of science today, i get to see this life within everthing and everywhere dancing to the creator's design. Today I honestly cant put a name on the creator of creation. I see that miracles have been happening in the name of many different Gods in lots of religions, including my life also. Yes, as a man of little faith that I am, the creator bless me with a miracle long ago and I just dont need a faith, lol. I think that anyone wanting the honest truth will come to believe in creation. I remember a teacher told us: "That all suffering in this life is from a lack of understanding" and St. Francis understanding in seeking truth: "What your looking for is what is looking". Awesome life it is, very good topic. Thanks for sharing your hard work and discovery's.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Einstein said "Either everything's a miracle or nothing's a miracle".

[@nigeltremain5252]

Einstein was on the right track, it is a miracle that the universe exists at all.

[@tamething1]

No. And geography doesn't make love obsolete, either.

[@Panic-buying-toilet-paper]

Because God made it so. There is no distance in Love as proven by Jesus Christ.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Love you pops! Nothing is wasted but increased!

[@rubenanthonymartinez7034]

The most interesting lectures I've heard so far, the Richard Feynman of chemistry God bless him!

[@mcmanustony]

He is a distinguished synthetic organic chemist. Outside of that field he is an utter professional disgrace- an hysterical lying zealot with a fanatical religious agenda. The sheer breathtaking dishonesty of his antics in respect of Professor Jack Szostak will shame him for what's left of his career.

[@rubenanthonymartinez7034]

@@mcmanustony get a mirror!

[@mcmanustony]

@@rubenanthonymartinez7034 You complete failure to engage with the facts I presented is noted. Why a mirror? I have one. I don't lie about scientists in fields that conflict with weird religious beliefs. My position on numerous fields is not a) I don't understand X b) Those who do are wrong and are liars. Feynman was a genius and a brilliant populariser of science. Tour is nothing of the sort. If anything he is the opposite. He has energised and nurtured a fanatical claque of bible thumping simpletons with absolutely ZERO interest in his academic work (not a single one of his drooling fans has been able to name a single paper of his that they've actually read, not a single one can name ANY other synthetic organic chemist) and who have a seething hatred of the scientific project. He is, as I said, an utter disgrace.

[@rubenanthonymartinez7034]

@@mcmanustony you have nothing but a rant. Address the issues of what he's saying!

[@mcmanustony]

@@rubenanthonymartinez7034 Be specific.

[@maxinericheson4537]

He’s a true believer

[@Barbara-gy9jq]

The younger theistic evolutionist says he can't show you, because you need a lot of time. That is the mantra of all evolutionists...."I can't show you, because I don't have enough time." In other words, they have no proof.

[@kristenhansen1843]

We have proof, alright. "Theistic evolutionists" is an oxymoron. It's the Theists who have no proof, other than warm fuzzy thinking, and they admit it. Most Theists haven't even read the bible - just mouth whatever their church elders repeat. Theistic education is rote learning.

[@kristenhansen1843]

@Andrei rRRr - ... but it does carry evidence. This evidence is supported by many chemists, molecular-biologists, geologists etc. It is a difficult study. Just reading the holey bible isn't going to get you there.

[@kristenhansen1843]

@Andrei rRRr Dr. Tour is a massive load of bullshit. The "respectable" scientists are one and all either creationists, affiliated with 'Discovery Science' or both. They have all fallen into the 'socially-transmitted psychosis' trap, as have most 'believers'. It takes a lot of university level study to understand 'abiogenesis', even then it's difficult. Something that's difficult ain't necessarily wrong.

[@dougoverhoff7568]

@@kristenhansen1843 It ain't necessarily right, either. Abiogenesis is a theory with insurmountable problems. Not the least of which is the fact that 'science' cannot ever create, or reproduce, life in a test tube. Never ! They might as well be spitting into the wind; it's a farce, and its impossible. Science doesn't even know WHAT life IS! Those who place all of their hopes in science, and that it would be able to demonstrate or to explain the 'reallities' of existence, are putting all their faith in false hopes and promises. Sorry.

[@flymasterA]

Doug Overhoff , Nice Doug. Well said.

[@FREDAFMK]

Dear Dr. Tour where can people go to get these treatments for: brain injury, RA for instance?

[@ScarlettOHare1]

THANK YOU, All, for your devotion to the pursuit of knowledge and the sharing of your pursuits. A note on the term "evolution" being applied to antibiotic resistance in bacteria: As far as my limited knowledge can tell, the resistance is due to the LOSS of a genetic trait. A notable example is in the case of a mutation wherein the bacterial cell wall coating is lost. Without the particular coating, the antibiotic cannot adhere to and penetrate or disable the bacterium. So, by way of a genetic loss, the bacteria become impervious to the drug, and, therefore, "resistant." An illustration would be like: If a tornado blew away your chimney, your house would be resistant to Santa Claus! The house did not evolve, it devolved and kept Santa out! Rather than gaining new genetic information, or "evolving", we observe the loss of genetic information in bacterial antibiotic resistance. We believe the term "devolution" more accurately describes this particular process of change. Certain antibiotics that we take will wipe out our beneficial intestinal flora, leaving only the ~5% normally degraded mutants to remain, multiply, and produce debilitating toxins. Hence we urge the adoption of "DEVOLUTION" to indicate such an observable mechanism of change. We observe genetic entropy universally in all mankind. It is the underlying cause for the genetic defects manifested in children of closely related adults, especially siblings. Again, what we are observing is devolution -- the opposite of evolution. GOD BLESS YOU ALL GREATLY!

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Yes, Michael Behe has recently written on this subject, in 'Darwin Devolves.'

[@kristenhansen1843]

The resistance to antibiotics, whether it be a loss of a trait or a gain of a trait is still 'evolution'. At some point in human evolution we lost our hairy coats, like the chimpanzees still have. It's still evolution and will still be evolution if we regain our hairy coats to adapt to our changing environment.

[@WarzSchoolchild]

I was in Hospital from February 2nd to March 15th 2018. Under the care of Dr Christopher Linton at Hurstwood Ward, Blackburn Royal Hospital. I had been asked by a Mental Health Community Worker, Mark Hammond, if I was willing to undergo psychiatric evaluation in Hospital. I said that I was perfectly happy to do that, but requested a short time to get my clothing, etc. ready. I was allowed to do that. I was a quick as I could be, and was driven by Ambulance to the Hospital. The Doctors and Mark Hammond could NOT believe that I served as Private Chaplain to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II's Personal Representative in our UK Parliament, also The Lord High Constable of Scotland, Knight Marshal of Scotland, Butler of Scotland, and Head of H.M.'s Royal Household Scotland. They could not believe that I was a professional Artist, that I had in 1992 Represented Great Britain at the Invitation of His Excellency Baron Von Richthofen The German Ambassador to The Court of St James's London. ... They could NOT believe that I actually used all the Scientific Equipment in my Home, like powerful microscopes and accurate digital Laboratory Scales (Calibrated) ... I was suffering from 'Delusions of Grandeur', and according to Mark Hammond, was the worst case of hoarding expensive things I had no use for, that he had ever encountered! ... Confirmation of my delusions, was my apparently ridiculous claim, that at the Invitation of two Journalists, Susanna Royle (Now a Fine Artist) and Virginia Kennedy (A Cousin or Niece? of my old Mathematics Tutor, at Wellington College, Mr. Waghorne, who in 1968 told me to get on with my Physics Projects, instead of Mathematics, because I had taught him more mathematics than he ever learnt at university, and had never while at college made a single mathematical error in any test or exam. Finishing exams usually in less than half the allotted time. From Wellington College, I went up to London University on a Rolls Royce Bursary. At my University Interview, three Lecturers were present, one of them said "What is the point of this silly interview? we all know we have to accept Alastair, So let's just enjoy a coffee at the canteen! Susanna Royle and Virginia Kennedy wanted me on the morning of July 15th 1990, to receive the First Official World Wide Web Transmission from CERN Geneva, and a musical greeting from Les Horrible Cernettes. (who incidentally formed July 15th 1990.) ... The issue was very clear, I could be a crazy Artist, and claim anything I liked, I could claim to be an Arch Bishop if I liked. (Incidentally Archbishop Fisher Lectured me in Divinity at Wellington College) ...BUT TO CLAIM TO BE A "SCIENTIST" AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST...... THAT WAS A STEP TOO FAR!... ... it took six weeks in Hurstwood Ward to prove every single one of my ultra-grandiose claims!... The final one was Dr Christopher Linton telling me he would be happy to discharge me, as soon as I admitted that I did NOT receive the "First Official World Wide Web Transmission". My answer was "So you want me to tell a lie? Dr Christopher". I told him to contact Susanna Royle, her Father was formerly Member of Parliament for Richmond of Thames, His Family Company was "Wilkinson Sword", and Susanna Royle has a Website, Telephone Number and Display of her magnificent Works of Fine Art. "Why not do the sensible thing, drop your Normalcy Bias, and check out my claim personally? ".... When I left Hurstwood Ward, nearly all the Patients and even Nurses wanted to hug me. some were in tears at my departure! ... It is a Christian Thing. ... We do not make a big fuss. Wherever we are, that is the Will of God. and we are perfectly safe in His Hands! Our current field of research is "Practical Anti-Gravity". The same subject that fascinated me at Wellington College. ... In India Jesus Christ is worshipped at an Avatar of Lord Shiva, simply because Jesus Christ prophesies that this Planet Earth will be destroyed. Only the most compassionate of the Avatars of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Shiva, is empowered to destroy planets! ... My Christian Joke to Atheist Scientists is double edged. because they laugh! "Jesus Loves You So Much He Is Going To Obliterate Your Planet!" (And steal your Oceans as well, Revelations Ch. 21.)

[@janecrawford4796]

Alistair, dear, may I ask what is the place and date of your birth? I only ask to place parenthesis around the volumn of claims in your statement, to get a handle on the time frame you are refrencing. I also wonder if you noticed the precise moment that the Church of CHRIST slipped from HIS grace into the hip pocket of Satan's cheerleaders, opening the gates of HELL for his servants to flood all of Europe with their evil deciples, and their despicable sharia law? Where is Sherlock when you need him?

[@WarzSchoolchild]

My full name is Alastair Robert Carnegie, born 15th July, 1951, in Nyeri Hospital, Kenya. All my details are available at thepeerage.com/p29552.htm . Also as I serve in a 'Public Office', I am obliged to make my personal details public. Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, is in complete command and control of every situation. I read that Scholarship has now found prior art, passages and poems, that were later incorporated into the Koran. claimed to be God dictating to the Prophet > P.B.U.H. because it might be the Prophet has a lot of explaining to do? God is not a plagiarist. Islam invading Europe, may be the end of Islam? exposed as falsehood and untrustworthy.

[@masada2828]

The earth will endure forever. The Age will be destroyed to welcome in the new Age or 7th Millennium. As in the Lord’s Prayer: “thy Kingdom come, thy Will be done on earth as in heaven, world without end”. Revelation 21 refers to the 8th Millennium when all will be immortal and the earth will be full of the glory of God, which was the purpose of creation in the first place.

[@risingministries]

Gee I wonder why I cannot find one debate against this man. I wonder why? Come on accredited fact professing atheist where are you? Dawkins? Krause, Degrasse?Cricket...cricket...cricket. Thank you James for destroying the last hope they had!

[@bradsmith9189]

audiostarproductions Well said! And SO true...

[@derhafi]

For the same reason they don't debate my plummer. He's got no credentials in the field he's trying to criticize.

[@gregsmith5134]

Rob Davis credentials don’t matter you can’t or shouldn’t debate on credentials you should debate based on the actual arguments. They should be able to show proof he is wrong in his theory . Also they should be able to debate even your plumber if he had an argument for or against something. If an argument is sound or not should be the question of the debate. Not whether one has a degree in the field.

[@derhafi]

"...they are terrified of debating him" Nick Matzke, who is is currently a doctoral student in evolutionary biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and who is also the former Public Information Project Director at the National Center for Science Education, took up Dr Tours offer, to sit down and explain Evolution to him. In the end, guess Who chickened out of this? Tour did. So, what’s your point again?

[@derhafi]

Then please show me one publication in a science magazine on the subject of evolution that Tour ever published. Tour never did, how could he, he is doing no research on the matter at all and openly admits, in his own homepage, that he is no expert in that field. He says that he does not believe in Intelligent Design. But then goes on saying: “Based upon my faith in the biblical text, I do believe (yes, faith and belief go beyond scientific evidence for this scientist) that God created the heavens and the earth and all that dwell therein, including a man named Adam and a woman named Eve.” That is an exact description of “Intelligent Design”. I never came across a supporter of ID who knew or cared about the difference between pseudoscience and actual scientific inquiry. They all fail to realize that the moment they evoke a supernatural entity without haven anything to show for, empirical evidence or a falsifiable way to demonstrate the factual nature of their claim; that this is the moment, in which they take themselves out of the debate. Tour, brilliant as a chemist as he may be, when it comes to his faith, he is no different, he just does not care. Further, in the October issue 2019 of “Science” an peer reviewed article about „Unified prebiotically plausible synthesis of pyrimidine and purine RNA ribonucleotides” was published, showing one way self-replicating molecules can come into existence just by the laws of nature. Reproducible for anyone with a bit of knowledge on chemistry. Tour should be able to handle this. Solid prove that no magical force by any form of God, for whom there is no good evidence by the way, is needed for life to emerge. The article is not suggesting that’s exactly how it went down, it presents one possible, reproducible way how this could have happened. Disproving his suggestions and rendering Tours mental excursions for what they are, pure fundamental Christian nonsense. Have you ever wondered why none of those so-called “scientists” working for Christian pressure groups like the DI, are publishing their “discoveries” in an actual science magazine or never presented their "work" at a scientific conference? After all, they think they’ve got the goods on a 160 year body of scientific work. What are they doing instead, they do the rounds of fundamentalist church groups, right wing talk radio, publish in church magazines and show up on and jesus-tv shows. Convincing the gullible, that there is magic in the form of a God. Take it from one of your own: Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome Project, is also a devout evangelical Christian. Perhaps the only intelligent one in the entire world. Here's what he says. 'Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things. It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian but it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that.' Creationists keep up the illusion that there is an actual ongoing debate of the factual nature of the Theory of Evolution. There is not. Furthermore they are selling the idea that proving evolution wrong would add any credibility to their idea of a God. That is flawed thinking, they still need to demonstrate that the supernatural is actually real and interacting with us (which it is not) and then additionally they’d need to tight it to their particular God as well. Obsticals they know they can not overcome. This is why they sell this strawman nonsense…and hey, why not? Obviously they is no shortage in gullible people who are willing to fall for this. Gullible people like you Greg. Proud of yourself yet?

[@FREDAFMK]

Dear Dr. Tour can we buy any of this stock? and where?

[@aliceinaddiction]

Second time today hearing of graphene. The first was in production of aerogel, the lightest known solid. Curious. Exciting.

[@rep3e4]

Awesome stuff thanks

[@femibabalola4057]

The slaughter of the dissidents. Other Darwinists get their heckles up when they see a dissenter. I have also proudly signed the dissent from Darwin document. the truth will win ultimately.

[@kristenhansen1843]

'Hackles'. It's not dissenters that annoy us, it's the abject ignorance of flat earthers and creationists that we feel we must oppose with rational, educated argument. And it's so easy except for the fact that ignorance can only be educated out of their teeny tiny minds. It's like Tammy Fae Messner (Baker) said "You can educate yourself right out of a relationship with God". Truer words were never said, so wise up and get schooled, and I don't mean "home schooled".

[@flymasterA]

Kristen Hansen , I'm a devout creationist but anti-religion and anti-Darwin. A darwinist criticizing religion is like a man with no legs challenging a man with no arms to a swimming contest. Both flounder. Your classification of creationists as ignorant is ignorant. I'd refute that soundly, but then you'd accuse me of self-promotion. Equating Darwinism and theoretical sciences with applied sciences is science-fiction. Actually, creationists are the smartest people on the planet unless they are involved with religions. Darwinists are brain-washed smart people who choose not to think freely, yet condemn people for thinking for themselves.

[@zac3392]

Kristen Hansen I’m seeing a bunch of letters, but I’m fairly certain they’ve just been strung together by a mindless unguided process...

[@flymasterA]

Kristen Hansen , The bible talks about you, only lacks your name. "The physical person cannot judge the spiritual man, but the spiritual man judges all things." 1 Corin 2:14,15. See, you should feel honored that the bible speaks about you personally.

[@zac3392]

@@kristenhansen1843 "abject ignorance of flat earthers and creationists..." LOL, love how you just melded the majority of humankind with that 0.00001% of the population... that shows your exceptional "rational, educated argument" skills... wonder if I can do that? "the abject stupidity of you Darwinists and leprechauns..." hmmm no "the abject idiocy of evolutionists and bulemics..." "... the lunacy of cereal rapists and Californian vampire conjoined twins born 2 weeks apart..." I think I'm getting the hang of this thanks!

[@freightshayker]

Dr James Tour, do you know the difference between titles-baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ ?

[@loremipsum7471]

Darwinian Evolution is a modern pagan religion.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Darwinian Evolution is a thoroughly validated theory and not in any way a pagan religion.

[@allensmith342]

@@kristenhansen1843 Modern advancement in science has thoroughly invalidated Darwin's theory. It's almost as archaic as the once-held "theory" that maggots evolve from rotting meat. Darwin did the best he could with what he had but alas, his theory has had its day and only his most devout followers fail to recognize the setting sun. A new day is dawning, Kristen... wake up and smell the coffee.

[@remnant7remnant74]

Yup very true God never force anyone.

[@kristenhansen1843]

"Does science make faith obsolete?" Yes!

[@DS-ll5fn]

So you didn"t even listen to the entire video.

[@nigeltremain5252]

The process of science start with a faith statement called a hypothesis, science then tries to prove that statement by experimentation.

[@kristenhansen1843]

@@nigeltremain5252 - For f**ks sake, an hypothesis is not a "faith" statement". Faith is "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". You are abusing the context of the word 'faith'. That I have 'faith' that my car starts in the morning is not the same as the faith you profess. My faith comes from seeing that it did start every time it was called upon. Your faith is delusional. Do cancer patients go see a doctor of oncology or a 'faith healer'? Unless they're Southern Methodists they hope they will get medical care in a hospital, not be given 'holy water' in some smelly old church. The 'faith' you are suggesting is in myths, magic, miracles, prayer, angels, demons, Noahs ark, astrology, homeopathy, the Bible, tarot cards, esp, the eventual second coming of Yeshua ben Yosef, the after-life (death), fairies, leprechauns, heaven (outer-space), supernatural beings, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny. Maybe even in a flat earth. An interesting study of 'the power of prayer' was done with a group of 900 patients whose prognosis was only fair to poor. They were divided into 2 groups. One group was told they were being prayed for (i.e. given false hope) and the other group was not told if they were being prayed for. The group who were not prayed for did significantly better. You guys are so desperate to find support for your "faith" you'll say anything. Dr. Tour said he's not a creationist and does not support intelligent design but in the same breath said "God 'spoke' the universe into existence". What sort of bullshit is that? You see it all the time coming from him.

[@RoyceVanBlaricome]

The two bring up a VERY interesting and, I'd say, VERY important discussion now wrt YEC. Just a couple of observations. First, Nick hits on an essential point. Namely Hermeneutics. He's just WAY off based on what he said about "Day" (Yom in the Hebrew). Secondly, EVERYBODY has a starting point. And where I have seen several Christian Scientists and one particular world-renowned philosopher make a colossal, GINORMOUS mistake is to make Science their starting point and then interpret Scripture thru the Science. That's backwards. When one rightly divides the Word of God they begin to ask questions that lead to an answer that is both Biblical and Scientific. For instance, One might say "the Bible says everything was created in 6 literal days. How can that possibly be the case? Then thing begin to appear that did not before and one can see things like a canyon being formed in a matter of hours that other scientists say would take millions of years. Earlier James talked about the stuff being put into high school textbooks that is just utter nonsense. That's because of EXACTLY what I just said. Where is their starting point? Such as such must be true so we have to find a way to explain it. At the beginning James also talked about the necessity of going to the right source experts. I fairly certain that James and Nick have heard of AiG, CRI, and others like it. There are folks like Larry Vardiman who spent $2M on his RATE Study and put everything, including his faith, on the line. He was literally willing to say the Bible is not the Word of God and is not inerrant and infallible if the evidence led to that. His testimony on that is a blessing. Just as James and Nick have an expertise in Chemistry that is beyond anything I've ever seen and it's being used to God's glory, so to are there many in other areas like Geography and whatever it is that Jonathan Sarfati does. (Can't remember but I think it had something to do with Chemistry and genetics. His banana, chimpanzee, human video is a hoot!) Just as I would point others to James & Nick when their area of expertise is needed so too would I encourage and exhort James and Nick to spend some time looking at what those YEC scientists are saying. Personally, I follow the let Scripture interpret Scripture while using a proper hermeneutic and sound exegesis. And I believe when one does that there can be no other option but to believe in a literal 6-day creation.

[@RoyceVanBlaricome]

A BIC sent this to me yesterday. Watching/listening to it now while I wait for it to cool down some before going out to mow. I'm paused at the 30min to share it before I forget because, if one doesn't watch the whole thing, at least watch the part at the 30min mark. If that don't tell ya that there is something sinister going on in the Science Community today then I don't know what would. Consider what he signed his name to! What is wrong with that? And yet for just agreeing with that he became a pariah. That said, it MUST be NOTED that the same EXACT thing happens in with self-professing Christian all the time on a regular consistent basis. In just the past couple of days I have seen a dozen or more people respond to a post on a "Christian Page" asking how old Jesus was when He was killed by saying that He was 33. Ask them to provide ANY EVIDENCE for that and you get "read your Bible". The Bible does NOT say! (Imagine the response if I asked them how they know the Bible is true! LOL) Biblical & Historical scholars give room for about a 4yr window. The FACT is they do NOT know. Nobody does. And yet when asked to back up their claim that is what you get. Or something like "Well, if you don't know then I can't help you." We can do better. We MUST do better!!

[@KevinKilgorepage]

If you do not understand it, and can not explain it, then you should not take tax money to teach it. Evolution is clearly a religion. We see small variations and that is all. We never see, or have we ever seen, anything else. 2 + 2 = 4, search for a different answer all you like to try to satisfy yourself, but you will not find it and the answer is still 4. I would support a scientific, tax funded, search for God. I think this would bring discoveries beyond our imagination.

[@rep3e4]

awesome

[@mdcx2016]

Darwin lived in a time when it was understood by science that the universe was eternal. So his theory was that given an eternal amount of time, you would see the evolution of life from nothing. Now science teaches that the universe had a beginning about a dozen billion years ago. We must now assume that that is sufficient time for life to both form, evolve and bring about the millions and millions of different species, including the modern evolved human being. The argument hinging on "given enough time..." yet no one can tell how much time is enough.

[@donblosser8720]

There are many mathematicians and other scientists who are convinced that even the oldest estimate does not provide enough time for a strictly Materialistic explanation for life.

[@moses777exodus]

​Modern Quantum Physics has shown that reality is based on probability: ​ A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of just one (1) functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by un-directed random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer. On the other hand, it has been scientifically proven numerous times that Consciousness does indeed collapse the wave function to cause information waves of probability/potentiality to become particle/matter with 1/1 probability. A rational and reasonable person could therefore conclude that the answer is consciousness. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely irrational and unreasonable hypotheses are what some of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased, incomplete ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millennia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by observation of the universe and discoveries in Quantum Physics.)

[@Eisenbison]

Except that we've shown how RNA can and has formed entirely on its own from plausible substrates that would be present in a prebiotic world, along with water and a source of UV light. Once formed, RNA can also polymerize on its own on surfaces such as clay. So whoever said DNA and RNA cannot statistically form on their own was lying. All those other numbers are meaningless too, and almost certainly quote-mined or entirely made up. It's like looking at all the events that lead up to how we got to where we are in our lives and concluding that it's impossible for anyone to have a discussion in KZbin comments. You can make anything that's already happened seem statistically impossible, despite the fact that they've already happened. However, we must keep in mind that the actual scientific probability that everything was conjured out of nothing by the equivalent of an omnipotent genie is precisely *zero.*

[@Paul-qr7hu]

Impressive individual.

[@ylove9973]

Prof. Fitzkee, please don’t misquote Scripture. You quoted Psalm 19:1 as “...the sky above...” But that is incorrect. The original Hebrew does not say “sky,” it says “raqia,” most closely translated into the Greek Septuagint as “stereoma,” then into the English as “firmament.” If the Hebrew scribes meant “sky” or “expanse,” they would have used the Greek word “ouranos,” which means “sky” or “atmosphere” in their Greek translation, not “stereoma.” “Stereoma” does not mean sky, it means “a solid body, a support, strength, firmness.” In other words, a DOME.

[@rayrayner4426]

Amen

[@kaybass520]

"The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God" 1Corinthians 3: 19 "I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men will be shoved aside." 1Corinthians 1: 19. This will be seen soon when the 'wild beast' political system bring this whole civilisation to ruin with wars, wrath, and financial meltdown Psalms 46: 4-6 Jeremiah 25: 24-26 Revelation 11: 18. "The wise have been put to shame, They have become terrified and will be caught. Look! They have rejected the word of Jehovah, and what wisdom do they have?" Jeremiah 8: 9 Jehovah brings forth a rescue Malachi 4:2 Christ arrived in Kingdom glory; the sunrise.

[@v.vigneshvenkatasubramania3456]

What does he say regarding the meeting with the berkeley graduate student? I could not understand his accent. The line is "The reason I didnt want it recorded is cause I didnt want (????) ". Can someone transcribe it for me?

[@MichaelWilliams-ph4ri]

He didn't want to get into a battle of 'one-up-man-ship'. It would have just devolved into one 'yeah-but' after another.

[@v.vigneshvenkatasubramania3456]

@@MichaelWilliams-ph4ri Thanks! thats clear.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Thank's for ASKING. I sometimes have a hard time understanding TOO!

[@andresbenavides1768]

It'd be great to have Dr James Tour sharing thoughts with astronomer Dr. Sean Carroll.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Why would a respected scientist like Dr. Sean Carroll debate anything with a creationist? For that matter why would anyone?

[@kristenhansen1843]

Why would a respected scientist like Dr. Sean Carroll debate anything with a creationist? For that matter why would anyone?

[@gregsmith5134]

Kristen Hansen Why ? Because science is the quest for pure objectivity. Nullius in Verba is the motto of the Royal Society “ take no one’s word for it “ scientists should be unbiased and want to find the truth or a provable outcome even if it goes against their personal belief structure. One should be open minded. Theory of probability that even the oddest possibilities can be probable. You definitely are closed minded .

[@derhafi]

“Based upon my faith in the biblical text, I do believe (yes, faith and belief go beyond scientific evidence for this scientist) that God created the heavens and the earth and all that dwell therein, including a man named Adam and a woman named Eve.” Dr. J. Tour Is this your idea of an open mind?

[@LiMitZplus]

@@kristenhansen1843 materialism is a failed ideology dude it isn’t 1960 anymore

[@GeoCalifornian]

Science makes nothing obsolete because science is done by scientists who have a hard bias towards their personal beliefs. And so it goes... /Lonewolf Liberties

[@fritzdoerring9058]

I believe my God is perfect in thought and everything, and therefore He can do anything; even create by evolution.

[@fritzdoerring9058]

I would like to tell Dr. Tour about how I became a Christian believer in evolution and remained a firm subject to Jesus as my redeemer and King.

[@rubiks6]

​@@fritzdoerring9058 - "I believe my God is perfect in thought and everything, and therefore He can do anything; even create by evolution." What God _could have_ done is not the same as what God _has_ done. I will not quote for you Genesis 1 - 3, which I'm would hope you are familiar with. Rather, I will give you 2 Peter 1 - "For we did not follow *_cleverly devised myths_* when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to *_pay attention_* as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For *_no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."_* 2 Peter;16 - 21 (ESV) (Emphasis added.) The Spirit of God was guiding Moses when he wrote Genesis 1 - 3. When you discount the Genesis account of creation, you discount the work of the Holy Spirit. You make God out to be a liar. At what point do you begin to believe God's Word? At what point do you begin to believe God's Holy Spirit? While you may have thought long and hard on these matters and have come to reconcile these things in your own mind, if your conclusions do not agree with the Word of God, your wisdom has become foolishness. It's that simple. Will you call God a liar? He will call you a liar. An attempt to reconcile evolution of species and common ancestry with the Bible also makes a train wreck out of the doctrine of redemption. "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through *_one man,_* and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned - for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like _the transgression of Adam,_ who was a type of the one who was to come. "But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through *_one man's trespass,_* much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of *_that one man's sin._* For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of *_one man's trespass,_* death reigned through that *_one man,_* much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. "Therefore, as *_one trespass_* led to condemnation for all men, so *_one act of righteousness_* leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the *_one man's disobedience_* the many were made sinners, so by the *_one man's obedience_* the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 5;12 - 21 (ESV) (Emphasis added.)

[@rubiks6]

@@fritzdoerring9058 - How does Genesis 3 fit into your evolutionary narrative?

[@waxworse]

(31:48) Psalm 2: 1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. (KJV)

[@JurassicPlank]

Science doesn't make anything anything.

[@ruthmore8335]

Hi, can I find this video in Spanish language?

[@donweller3525]

don't bother it will still be crap

[@vdgitaliano]

How life began is elusive and unanswerable because it is God’s way of reminding us that HE is God and we are not. He is all knowing and we are not… Obviously

[@garywalker447]

Abiogenesis is a difficult enough nut to crack without starting with the conclusion that we cannot understand it because "god did it".

[@billjohnson9472]

it is elusive because there is not a lot of observable evidence left from the process.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

Science would make faith obsolete only if it could answer the following questions: What is consciousness, what is mind, what is magnetism? So far it is not able to answer any of these questions, and consciousness remains ‘the hard problem.’

[@HS-zk5nn]

no actually it strengthens it!

[@RoyceVanBlaricome]

The World today has come up with one word for "asking a question". It's called Sealioning. Look it up if you haven't heard of it. Sometimes it's associated with Gaslighting.

[@maxinericheson4537]

Believer in Christ!!!!

[@hineko_]

That's a jeunicorn. Great man

[@stephenroesler4919]

Beautiful

[@tigersgalore5723]

There are a few scientists who admit they were wrong,Walter Veith,Grady MCwurtry,Carl Baugh, etc.

[@kristenhansen1843]

Scientist can be wrong and if they are true scientists they will admit their mistakes. I have never heard of a creationist or theist admitting they were wrong, or even slightly in error.

[@tigersgalore5723]

@@kristenhansen1843 ,hi Kristen when a evolutionist becomes a creationist he or she is automatically admitting they made a mistake ,what I'VE never heard, is of a creationist becoming an evolutionist.Don Patton says in one of his presentations evolutionists have been told not to debate creationists cause they can't win.

[@kristenhansen1843]

@@tigersgalore5723 I've never heard of a creationist becoming anything, except more delusional. Any scientist, evolutionist or not, doesn't want to waste time debating a creationist. I only do this because it's fun for fifteen minutes or so before bedtime.

[@katherinepeterson-roberts]

I love listening to Dr. Tour, particularly for his honesty in exposing the deficiency in modern science in explaining the origin of life and how many modern scientists have been defrauding the masses with mere conjecture, lusting after filthy lucre. Yet, I see Dr. Tour always shying away from mentioning he’s now a Christian. If he’s really born again in Christ, he’s no longer a Jew but a Christian. For it is written, “Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.” - Colossians 3:11. I didn’t appreciate his note about Baptists or Christians per se - there are very brilliant Christians I know who can discuss the scriptures with unbelievers with reason and evidence. One brilliant Christian scientist who’s also well known for his rational public arguments for Christianity is Dr. John Lennox. Having a spirit of pride and arrogance is contrary to Christ’s commandments and if Dr. Tour truly considers himself as a believer in Christ, he should be encouraging his brothers and sisters in Christ, no scoffing at them. I think Dr. Tour got the scriptures all wrong - there’s no Jew or non-Jew in Christ. All believers are equal in value before Him, and they are called followers of Christ (aka, Christians).

[@mikefarley8651]

No he is the true Jew of Romans and Galatins

[@mikefarley8651]

As we all are if we trust in Christ’s work on the cross for our sins.

[@rhoopai136]

Your testimony is your truth in declaration Jesus Christ is God born in the flesh without sin no lust no pride no lie etc... reestablished God's ministry/authority/sovereignty here on earth as it was in the beginning through his death and resurrection.

[@garywalker447]

You drank all the christian kool aid didn't you? If you try and tell me what I can or cannot do based on the "authority" of your interpretation of your bible, you will NOT have my cooperation.

[@mentalwarfare2038]

@@garywalker447 I’m pretty sure he means spiritual authority, not actual laws. I’m not even sure what kind of physical “authority” that might look like, as Christianity doesn’t carry a standard of jurisdiction like in Islam.

[@garywalker447]

@@mentalwarfare2038 There are Dominionist Christians who wish to eradicate any separation of church and State and enforce their interpretation of biblical law. This would end human rights and human dignity.

[@mentalwarfare2038]

@@garywalker447 I’m sure there are, but I’m not talking about minority sects and their flawed interpretation of Christian ideals.

[@garywalker447]

@@mentalwarfare2038 Sorry but the Tea Party and Trumpist movements have shown that they are not "minority sects" to be dismissed. They have done too much damage already.

[@joewright9879]

Man can live and prosper without science, but he cannot truly live without the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[@walkergarya]

Nope. I have no need of the fairy tale of your god.

[@mathieuvanleeuwen7127]

No, science ought to be complementary

[@Eisenbison]

Science doesn't allow faith though. It demands that every single assertion be based on evidence and be potentially falsifiable.

[@MicDread]

To bad,, when anything mutates, it looses information. And that means lose of function. I am amazed how these guy twist that into gaining an certain advantage to do something.. truth that mutation has made the host seeker, not stronger. When you loose information, does help. Keep mutating what will you be left with? A billion bad wings don’t make a good wing.

[@garywalker447]

Come back when you learn something real about Evolution, not the lies you get from anti-science morons and frauds.

[@jarofclay7695]

Only a atheist could say a flash light can't be by chance. But a fire fly can . Chance don't exist if you say it all got here by 100 percent chance then where is the chance. Sounds like purpose to me.

[@kaybass520]

The belief is that the universe had a beginning. But if nothing real existed prior to the universe appearing, into what was the universe introduced? And if every effect has a cause...what caused the universe to appear? Isaiah the prophet reported of Jehovah: "Moreover, my own hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my own right hand extended out the heavens. I am calling to them, that they may keep standing together." Isaiah 48: 13. Would we feel happier if a non-living force caused the appearance of what we now see? And would that be explained as a rejection of...ultimate Authority? And yet the discovery of Jehovah, and the understanding of Him....means everlasting life John 17: 3. His word is truth John 17: 17 and He comes with a rescue in our days...when a political 'wild beast' [the UNSC] brings it all to ruin and commits crimes against humanity Revelation 6:8 We see this in the Middle East war that is future. Daniel 8: 20, 23-25 In Jeremiah 25: 29 Iran bombs Jerusalem. Then the US+allies under the UNSC bombs Iran Jeremiah 49: 35-38. This crashes the financial system so hard, its not coming back Romans 9: 28 Psalms 46: 4-6 Ezekiel 7:19 James 5: 1-3 Isaiah 2: 18-20. BUT all the 'sheep-like' ones John 3: 16 are already inside God's Kingdom at the appearance of Christ in 'power and great glory' Matthew 25: 31, 34 Matthew 24: 29, 30 Amazing celestial phenomena announce the arrival of Christ at the sunrise Malachi 4: 2 Revelation 6: 12 Matthew 24: 29, 30 Luke 21: 25, 26. THIS time is now imminent. That is why YOU can survive into a better arrangement, God's Kingdom Matthew 6: 9, 33 a Paradise Luke 23: 43 on earth Daniel 2: 44. A New Heavens [Christ and His heavenly brothers seen in Revelation 5: 10] Ruling over a New Earth [into which the dead of former times are raised up Revelation 20 :13 Acts 24: 15] a Paradise Luke 23: 43, and the 'sea' of wicked ones Psalms 92:7 is 'no more' Revelation 21: 1

[@lrvogt1257]

If you want to understand anything about the known universe you use science. Even Tour knows he has to mix the right chemicals based on the laws of physics to get a desired result. Belief isn't required.

[@donblosser8720]

Your poorly worded comment seems to imply that if you want to know everything about the universe you use science. WRONG! There are many questions that science cannot begin to answer. And when it comes to a materialistic explanation of the origins of life and the universe, tons of belief is required. Ditto for the fairy tale "multiverse theory".

[@lrvogt1257]

@@donblosser8720 : I fail to see errors in my syntax or meaning but I do find flaws in your reasoning. You can believe anything that suits you. You can convince yourself with phrases and words who's meanings you define to come to any conclusion you like but if you don't have data you can't verify anything. Tour demands scientific rigor... until it is applied to his own personal beliefs in the supernatural. That's fine but it's not honest.

[@willgeorge5644]

1 Corinthians 13:9-12 King James Version (KJV) 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

[@ronniebuchanan6575]

Genesis 1was written by God Genesis 2 was written by Adam. Yes Gd created everything in 6 days the Bible didn't say what method he used to create. The evidence of God is very great and God covers all requirements of our needs to be saved. Yes God delivers us from all addictions.

[@billjohnson9472]

there is no way to identify the authors. let me know if you have some magical way to do that.

[@vdgitaliano]

The Bible does not say that the heavens and the earth were created on the first day. It says that the sun and the moon were created on the first day, pertaining to things in earth. It says in the beginning, meaning the beginning of all things, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void. It gives an indication that there is a section of time between the creation of heaven and earth and then the creation of man. The seven day creation scenario is the creation of everything in the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beast of the field and of course finally man. The 6000 year timeframe is in reference to the existence of man not the earth. I personally believe that there is a gap, that there was the reign of Lucifer that came to an end and the Lord wiped it clean according to two things that can’t be denied. Number one in the book of Genesis when he tells Adam and Eve to go forward and be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. How can you replenish something that’s never been full before? The second thing is when Jeremiah has his dream of distruction that comes upon the earth because of all of the chimera and the abominations that are walking all over the face of the earth, he says it’s by fire and yet the only distruction that occurred to that point was the flood. Many say that it is a vision of things to come at the end of this earth age, but the Hebrew does not indicate it as being a future tense expression. When Jeremiah is describing the dream it’s about something that had already happened, like it was a judgment that came from God and God was saying he will do it again. Also in the book of Job, Satan goes before the Lord and the Lord asks him where he has been and what has he been doing. Satan‘s response is that he has been walking in and out up and down in his estate, referring to the earth. The Lord does not rebuke him or correct him when Satan asserts that it is his domain as a ruler, so therefore the Lord’s silence is actually an acknowledgment that the earth at some point or another was given to Lucifer as his estate, however no where in the scripture do you find the event where it was given to him. Additionally Christ refers to Satan as the god of this world and tells a parable about the Vineyard owner sending messengers and finally his own son who the people who have the lease on the Vineyard end up killing them all. The Vineyard is earth, the leaseholder is Satan and has been referred to as the leaseholder several times in scripture. Man is 6000 years old not the earth.

[@garywalker447]

And of course, the bible gets all of that dead wrong.

[@cindypope4238]

Check out, Dr. Hugh Ross, Christian astronomer on KZbin. He gives the best explanation for the confusion and contradiction in the evolutionary theory. He says speciation happened rapidly in the first 5 'day's of creation but then all but stopped after God created man on the 6th 'day'. This accounts for the enigma of the fossil records. A day, yom', in Hebrew can mean 24 hours, 12 hours or a very long time.. which is what Ross adheres to as an old earth creationist.

[@kristenhansen1843]

24 hours IS a very long time. The holey bible says a day was from 'the evening to the morning', or in the tropics about 12 hours, more or less depending on your latitude. A day and a night at the time of the writing of Genesis would have been about 24 hours. That's pretty clear and one of the few verifiable biblical statements.

[@donweller3525]

Rubbish

[@Eisenbison]

Faith and science are complete opposites in every respect.

[@uganda_mn397]

no, that's what the philosohpy of many scientists these days says. For me, it is total opposite, Faith is reinforced by sciences

[@Eisenbison]

@@uganda_mn397 Science requires evidence for every single assertion, hypothesis and theory. But every religion requires faith, which is a stoic, unwavering conviction which is not based on evidence, and more importantly, does not change because of evidence. If you had evidence for a belief, you wouldn't need faith.

[@uganda_mn397]

@@Eisenbison who told you these two exclude each other? even you have faith that is based on evidence. I heard the example of you trusting your mother not taking a chemistry kit to the table because the evidence is, she is reliable. On the other hand, you cannot even scientifically prove we are having an on-line converstation. You really live by that principle of faith based on evidence but you contradict it by your idea of what faith is.

[@Eisenbison]

@@uganda_mn397 That is quite a bit different than "faith" in a religious context. The example you're using is synonymous with "trust". But I actually have evidence and experience to have reasonable trust that my mother wouldn't do such a thing. For one thing, I can prove that my mother actually exists and cite her past actions and experience with my brother and father to back me up to be reasonably sure she won't add potassium cyanide to the chicken marinade tonight. The same can be said for this conversation. Both of our accounts are linked to emails and if the NSA, Google or both REALLY wanted to track either of us down, I'm sure they'd be able to find our information and addresses, and from there could prove that we're both real people and that these conversations really do reflect our personal beliefs. Thus, they could prove that this is an actual conversation happening online between two human beings. But what do you have for religion? Any solid evidence or even precedent for any of these superstitious beliefs? Not ONE thing that can be objectively verified. In fact, pretty much every supernatural belief is both logically and physically impossible according to everything we know about reality at all. Positive claims require positive evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And that which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@Eisenbison]

@@uganda_mn397 If there’s no evidence for a particular notion, then there’s no reason to believe it either. It may as well have been imagined out of nothing because it has no basis in fact, and thus no truth to it.

[@revelationtrain7518]

23:00 My God

[@temple7dialectic477]

"I cant show you because you need A LOT OF TIME". Wrong. Time is the enemy of the process of biology in a pre-biotic universe. What... is... the... chemical... process? Show me the proven molecular process of macro evolution in a pre-biotic environment.

[@donweller3525]

Evolution is evolution which is change over time the Macro or micro title is a creationists idea which is being promulgated by the ID proponents trying to slot small changes in and to confuse the issue of speciation

[@gregsmith5134]

Don Weller hmmmm no it’s not

[@Alohasnackbar88]

The questioner at 1:40:00 was very poor listener, and maybe an even poorer thinker

[@foreversurfingthenet]

Science has nothing to say about 'faith', religion, myths, gods or superstitions..... Next question please..........

[@mentalwarfare2038]

Why do I even bother looking at the comments.

[@mcmanustony]

what were you disappointed to find?

[@mentalwarfare2038]

@@mcmanustony uncivil discourse

[@mcmanustony]

@@mentalwarfare2038 Well Dr Tour is notorious for having his issues with civility....and basic ethics.

[@mentalwarfare2038]

@@mcmanustony I wasn’t talking about him but okay

[@mcmanustony]

@@mentalwarfare2038 Many people, disgusted by his appalling antics are talking about him- and rightly so.

[@wilfredoreyes7837]

A question about why Japan are more peaceful country compare to others without believing Jesus Christ...

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

Japan's peacefulness has more to do with thier hard honor based society, and homogeneous population. Japan does not let foreigners live in japan easily, and everyone who comes in is hyper vetted. It's not all peaches and cream though. Japan's hard honor based society has led to rapidly declining birth rates, and really really high suicide rates. It's a give and take. To characterize japan as some ideal is incorrect.

[@donblosser8720]

Is the highly competitive Japanese business world "peaceful"? Is the highly competitive struggle of students to succeed "peaceful? Why such a high suicide rate? Militarily, Japan is peaceful because it lost a war. The case could be made that post war Japanese culture was influenced by the Christian culture of occupation forces and missionaries. However, from the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered an estimated 10,000,000 people; almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political & military strategy, military expediency & custom, and national culture. NOT so very peaceful. It was not a "peaceful" Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor and triggered America's entry into a world war that it had tried to avoid. In their own words, they awoke the dragon. 😠

[@Eisenbison]

Because if you look at the statistics, the less religious countries are far more peaceful than those with stronger religious beliefs.

[@robertseavor4304]

Scientists don't think about things like the meaning of life because they're busy doing science stuff???

[@spatrk6634]

yes. they dont bother with why questions, they only bother with how

[@walkergarya]

This is a stupid question. Math is the language of Science. The two are inseparable.

[@jc-tu6pg]

fitzkee's non-stop flattery of dr. tour and self-deprecation of his own professional accomplishments really detracts from his message and is super cringey. had to stop watching.

[@flymasterA]

That was a planned part of the deception. Make your opponents look weak. Or, have themselves appear to be weak.

[@rhoopai136]

Spiritual authority ok justice only Islam belief ok and keep church and state separated ok should I study more hm...

[@zangminkuki3428]

No Noble price for anti Darwinism

[@donblosser8720]

What is your point? In one way you are wrong. One of the strongest arguments against Darwinian evolution is the design evident in microbiological genetic complexity and Watson & Crick won the Nobel Prize in 1964 for their work on DNA. BTW, it is Nobel Prize, not what you misspelled.

[@Pudekz51790]

Darwinism is a place holder for God in an atheistic world view.

[@ddrse]

No

[@garywalker447]

Nope. We have no need of any god.

[@LiMitZplus]

Love to see a Jew finding the truth

[@mcmanustony]

fucking idiot.

[@maniswil2]

The Jim Tour presentation was powerful.@1:43:00 is cringe worthy, really guy get rid of religion.

[@ColonelEmpire]

Science does not conflict with the Bible and the Bible does not conflict with science. The conflict is between science and evolutionism. For evolution is not science.

[@garywalker447]

Nope. Reality and therefore Science, shows the bible to be nearly pure bullshit and fables cover to cover.

[@ColonelEmpire]

@@garywalker447 Nope. Science and therefore reality shows the Bible to be 100% correct and science has proven evolution to be nothing more than a debunked hypothesis. Those who believe in evolutionism are fools. Evolution = fable. Science has debunked evolution. Post your best evolutionism (dogma of evolution) and I will use science and debunk it. You won't... You can't. There is nothing scientific about evolution.

[@ColonelEmpire]

@@garywalker447 BTW I understand why you say what you say... You have been programmed to believe in evolutionism... You do what you are supposed to do....support your religion. Science has debunked evolution.

[@garywalker447]

@@ColonelEmpire BTW I understand why you say what you say.. . You have been programmed to believe in evolutionism.. . You do what you are supposed to do....support your religion. Science has debunked evolution.

[@garywalker447]

@@ColonelEmpire Oh by the way, just because you were programmed and indoctrinated into the ignorant death cult of christianity, do not assert that because a look to science for truth that I was indoctrinated. I was educated. I know what science is, you do not.

[@downtoearth3431]

I would like to see Mr. Tour, Mr. Meyer and Mr. Berlinski in a debate against dawkings and whoever he choses as members of his debate team (hopefully Krauss who is unable to get into complicated discussions about balancing of complex equations and derivates, even though he is self proclaimed intelligent Jew (but he is only a fake Jew. I do not understand why Brian Greene ever has shared stage with the clown Krauss). Tour & co will rip dawkings apart, always provided that the debate is based facts, where ever the facts leads to, and not cheap shots under the belt. But guys like dawkings are no longer debating darwinism or neo-darwinism, since they are aware of the result of such debate and the problems with neo-darwinism.

[@superjaykramer]

EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING METAPHORE!! THERE IS NOTHING REAL...

[@masada2828]

What you most wonderful persons fail to see is: the Kingdom of God will be on earth at the return of Jesus Christ to take up the crown of David. Why else would he return? To judge his Ecclesia, to claim his ‘Bride’, to defeat the enemy and set up His Kingdom for the 7th Millennium. Therefore those that are his sleep in death until the resurrection. You are so committed and sincere but you have the theory, wrong.

[@philiphall4805]

what about cross breeding instead of evoloution , forget the origin , does a species make quicker progress by continually crossing with itself , dogs , cats , cattle , has not a new species of bird recently been discovered on a pacific island that turned out to be a cross with a bird native to that island breeding with one that had landed there , the result being a bird more successful on that island than its parents ? its quicker than natural selection through tiny changes ???? shoot me down I will not lose sleep

[@philiphall4805]

Stacy Caruso yes I get my wording could be better , who is to say that birds did not evolve relatively quickly from a series of crosses? Is that why there are so few fossils showing this evolution , because it was relatively fast ? I’m here to be educated

[@gmcq8623]

@@philiphall4805 From what I understand, crossing in a species is not the issue, eg two breeds of dog. The problem is between species, so you can't breed a dog and a cat. You can cross a donkey with a horse, and get a mule, but they cannot reproduce.

[@philiphall4805]

Gavin McQuoid , yes I’m quite aware that species cannot interbreed , what I’m questioning weather evolution is more big steps rather than tiny changes , I’m leaving the species barrier out of it , we breed dogs and some crosses work well and others not at all , thing is with dogs that they breed so quickly changes come about fast

[@loremipsum7471]

1:30:15 They guy's pony tail is so yesterday. It used to be so cool to have one, now it makes these guys stuck in the failed hippie past.

[@FREDAFMK]

pony tails can be worn anytime, anywhere by any body...be loved...we don't have to please man, follow the crowd, be blown away by every wind of doctrine

[@Fatboy-to1fd]

James you need to go Flat, if you want to understand the genesis 100%... Then you will understand the meaning of the firmament.... We are in a closed system....Then you will fulfill God's plan for you fully..... God bless you and your family .....