Does Sony's Project Amethyst Lock Out Xbox From Next-Gen AMD Tech?

[@DenerNogueira]

Cerny was very clear about amethyst being an open source thing that benefits both companies, so whatever comes out of that will probably be on other devices than future PlayStations

[@andraszoltan2]

This is part of the reason why MS is putting work into an OS-level upscaler on the ARM side. They'll build their own into DX, with an eye to ensuring other providers can integrate theirs into it.

[@Ben.B.Benjamin]

Yes but they're not going to allow their competition to have access to the newest or the best.. So if XB stick with AMD PlayStation will always have an advantage as they know the tech being made and can them make better tweak for their system...

[@Ben.B.Benjamin]

Also an XB having PS tech inside it. Would that make every XB a PlayStation?

[@andraszoltan2]

@@Ben.B.Benjamin that's not really how the technology works. AMD aren't in a position to offer wildly different hardware to Sony and MS; and Sony, MS and the other publishers can no longer afford to fund games that lose money on single-platform exclusives that underperform. Costs need to reduce, which means target hardware must be 'similar' across the board, with similar end capabilities, or the game doesn't make its money back.

[@Ben.B.Benjamin]

@andraszoltan2 Sony are a hardware company... Look at the PS3 and the PS5pro, the PSVR. The Portal. The duel sense. They do and take risks on many different hardware devices. Because they are a hardware company FIRST. the tech that they will develop with AMD will be on offer to XBOX, But not all of it and not the best versions. The same way PS could have used AMDs upscaling tech but they choose to make their own and even Guerrila Games don't use PSSR they use their own upscaling tech. XB will always be behind PS in tech from now, unless they make their own.

[@PantherCrane]

@@Ben.B.BenjaminNo

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

Why would it? Did the development of the APU for the Steam Deck affect any development AMD did for Sony or MS? Did the development of the PS4 Pro affect the development of the Xbox One X? This question makes no sense.

[@concinnus]

Because the development of one console's IBM CPU in a previous gen affected the other console brand's CPU. Quite famously.

[@cynic5581]

Bit of an odd question tbh. There have been multiple generations where Apple contracted Samsung along side TSMC to make their proprietary design ARM SoC’s used in the iPhone. Collaborations with manufacturers is very common across all industries and IP laws prevent manufacturers from sharing technologies with competing businesses. Microsoft can just as easily if not more easily design proprietary hardware for their next gen console made by AMD that uses their own proprietary software (upscaling tech in this case).

[@jakedizzle]

I haven’t purchased an Xbox since the 360. I had one that scratched my game discs and then eventually had the RROD. I do hope that they’re still making a new Xbox though. Competition is good for the industry. Sony has an ego again similar to when the PS3 launched because they basically have no competition this gen.

[@Kirk-c5t]

Pretty sure they have the money and talent to extend DirectX however they need to match AMD+Sony. That doesn’t mean they will, but they can.

[@ProtectusCZ]

Microsoft can do a lot of things, but they always mess everything up. Just like AMD. That’s partnership made in heaven 🤣

[@BigSnipp]

I've read that input latency could pose issues with the frame gen for the 50 series. Is that true? What are the real world implications?

[@HoneyLemon5420]

Could the next Xbox have a Nvidia CPU and a AMD GPU?

[@nujiyoma]

Nvidia doesnt make CPUs

[@GameslordXY]

​@@nujiyoma Nož yet, but they could

[@xtr.7662]

That wouldnt make any sense theyd lose compatibility theyd have to use an amd cpu for that

[@MunchenerFrance]

A Nvidia GPU and a ARM/NVIDIA CPU or AMD CPU is possible. Xbox started a year ago a "Foward compatibility" studio, the name itself might give away some infos.

[@ekinteko]

​@@nujiyoma Actually, Nvidia does make CPUs. They started out back in 2008 with the original Tegra lineup, and really went mainstream in 2011 and 2012. But retracted from the market by 2015. They still make CPUs, some custom and others based on Stock ARM architecture. You can find these on their AI and Robotics boards. Rumour has it that they are cooking something good at the moment to enter the Windows on ARM scene, after the Qualcomm Elite-X fiasco.

[@Abdullah_A]

"All three of the original partners had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients. But it does not seem to have occurred to Sony that IBM would sell key parts of the Cell before it was complete and to Sony's primary videogame-console competitor. The result was that Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for Microsoft to use against it." Direct on undirect, Sony still help AMD and MS...

[@Ben.B.Benjamin]

They didn't go with IBM because they wanted too much money pre chip... Wasn't a good deal.

[@ekinteko]

​@@Ben.B.Benjamin No, Sony developed the PS1 and PS2 chipsets in-house. And for the PS3 they realised how fast and complex hardware had become, especially looking at the original Xbox and it's capabilities (Doom3). That's why Sony made the wise decision to design the PS3 chipset on an existing architecture. Now, x86 was not possible as it was tightly controlled by Intel/AMD. And at the time (2002) RISC-based (eg ARM/MIPS) systems were too primitive. That's why they went with IBM, and it seemed like the best choice. IBM had a good architecture, it was very behind the market (hence why Apple's departure). But this presented the opportunity for Sony to bring their talent in, and help design the next-gen processor. Sony probably thought this technology might end up in Arcades and Slot Machines, as Nintendo likely would not dare cross them in their native Japan. They also knew that Microsoft is their biggest threat, and that they are going with x86 system. So they thought alright, let's develop an advanced system and match this tough x86 competitor, who had more expensive x86 license fees. What happened next was that Intel and Nvidia both raised their prices, potentially making the Xbox 360 cost a thousand bucks. Whilst AMD was okay, they were going through bankruptcy due to illegal activity from the "Wintel" and OEM partnership. They actually had no options. They turned to IBM, and wouldn't you know it that IBM just introduced them to their next-gen architecture, most of which was based on Sony's design. Meanwhile, Sony was doing great with the sales and games from the ageing PS2. They were at work further developing their Custom IBM chipset, when out of nowhere the Xbox 360 was announced, and it was panic mode. The further development of Cell was halted, and the PS3 was fast-tracked and pushed out the door. And by some miracle, it was very similar to the Xbox 360, and only a tad faster. The advantage MS had was that they had a cheaper console, a year headstart on the market, and better software tools for developers. So most third-party games actually ran or looked better. It took way too long for the PS3 system to mature. And Sony had to learn some important lessons. Come time for PS4, they decided to go Stock for easier development, made sure to include more storage and more memory. And made up for the slow single-core performance by having 8x cores, and they promoted concurrent software, especially with their early adoption of Vulkan. It was here that Microsoft stuffed up with their XB1 console, despite having more features (HDMI-in, Kinect), better interface, and better games upon release. Their idi otic corporate decision to have 24h monitoring, convoluted licensing system, higher cost, and lower performance, it basically destroyed the public enthusiasm. They even copied Sony with the mid-gen refresh. For the PS5/XSX, the decision was simple to go with AMD. We also had lower binned options for the XSS and SteamDeck. I believe the decision for the PS6 and XB6 will be similar. They will both go with AMD and it won't be too custom. I believe this next round, Microsoft might go more humble, and Sony could go with heavier specs. But overall we don't have too much high hopes.

[@Gamergodgric]

It might mean that xbox and Playstation use the same chip or both have great chips depending on the time they release there consoles.

[@Law3dog2009]

their*

[@DOGMA1138]

They won't use the same chip, Sony integrates it's own IP into the SoC.

[@Mr3-j4m]

Microsoft are more closer with Nintendo than Sony. So Microsoft will follow Nintendo in supporting ARM CPU & NVIDIA GPU in their futures consoles

[@Gamergodgric]

@Mr3-j4m that would be wild.

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

​@@Mr3-j4m so no form of backwards compatibility then if this happens

[@2228AI]

Does Microsoft still care about Xbox as a console? 🤔

[@cheporestrepo]

They dont even care about being the best, thats why they mediocre

[@MrLGDdestroyer]

Nope

[@ForTheViolence]

The margins on console hardware aren’t very good. Even if they sold as many as Sony it wouldn’t make a big difference in Microsoft’s earnings. I think they care more about selling software and digital services more than anything. Which makes sense because Microsoft is not much of a hardware company. Consoles are just another vehicle and platform for them to do that.

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

​@@cheporestrepo yet they have been the best for years

[@str8poisintv131]

​@@cheporestrepo😂

[@krazyolie]

Wouldn't totally rule out Intel yet, unlikely though

[@sumomaster5585]

Graphics are already so good it doesn't matter, Nvidia matters cuz of portability...if they can take ARM designs we can have portable gaming chips, but the issue is backwards compaitablity...can they make this work if they change Intel x86 to Arm ??

[@Kzx828]

And oh snap, its out buddies from DigiFoundry🤔😎✊🏽

[@stephenmilazzo2535]

When one of them jump to Nivida... that will kill.

[@ihormanzii]

That’s quite interesting. Microsoft has two options. 1) Stick with NVIDIA, which offers the best GPU solutions and technology, including DLSS and frame-generation. 2) Release an ARM architecture console and go in that direction. However, I don’t see how they can truly utilize cutting-edge GPU technologies. It seems like they lack an equivalent to DLSS, FSR, or PSSR. Regardless, I believe next-generation gaming should definitely have 60fps and ray-tracing capabilities. NVIDIA frame-generation could be a game-changer. So, Project Amethyst could compel Microsoft to collaborate with NVIDIA even if they incur losses in the process, but they could eventually take the lead.

[@sumomaster5585]

Graphics are already so good it doesn't matter, Nvidia matters cuz of portability...if they can take ARM designs we can have portable gaming chips, but the issue is backwards compaitablity...can they make this work if they change Intel x86 to Arm ??

[@alexandrucoman1326]

​@@sumomaster5585yes they can. The new apple macbooks M chips run on ARM (I have one of these macbooks from my work) and gives a 10 hours autonomy on battery compared to the old x86 chips. Apple uses a dynamic convertor from CISC (complex instructions) software to RISC (reduced instructions) software called rosseta 2 so newer consoles could run an ARM based chip and use an inhousr convertor to run games built on CISC architecture

[@ScubaSnacks]

I think if Sony was able to come up with their own ML upscaler, a now fully-AI focused Microsoft wouldn't have too much of an issue with it

[@Kzx828]

Not if their plans to put their next-gen OS on computers and mobile devices!🤷🏽‍♂️.

[@prcastro42]

I think regardless of the direction, Xbox is going down the publisher route. Hardware is probably going to be the least focused thing.

[@bettybunbun9664]

Cant believe the next Xbox and Playstation are already on the way in a couple of years. I feel like the current Playstation and XBox havent really done anything yet.

[@parz1pane772]

it would be interesting to see Xbox partnering with intel this time around, seeing as how their gpu architectures are nothing to sneeze at. Just imagine a 8P core +2E core (for OS) + celestial GPU. Technically, as they'd still be on x86, back compat should be possible, no?

[@parz1pane772]

this way you'd also have the full 8 cores reserved for games instead of how it's done currently, where 1-2 cores are reserved for OS, making it so the ~ryzen 7 3700 those boxes use becomes effectively a Ryzen 5 3600...

[@SethizFTW]

@@parz1pane772 Possible but it would be a head ache for sure because a difference in drivers and API's between the different manufactures.

[@zerosam5541]

Thats dumb look at intel CPU bad idea AMD is king of apu

[@ymi_yugy3133]

X86 to ARM emulation is pretty good these days. Emulating GPUs seems less easy. Intel GPU also seems unlikely, because they are very die inefficient. Intel is probably selling Battlemage at razor thin margins or more likely taking a loss on every GPU. I don't think they could afford that at the volume that a console demands or offer the price that console makers need.

[@archetype6351]

@@parz1pane772 Sony refused to adopt rdna4 outright in the pro, instead choosing to go with an "rdna 2 with next gen features" hybrid, solely for back compat reasons. Same reasons why they didn't change the CPU much. I'm not saying Intel is a bad idea in general, but for back compat it most definitely seems to be.

[@isaaclanier1507]

Also have to consider that Nintendo and Nvidia have a 10 year agreement. Meaning Nvidia can’t supply chips to Microsoft for an Xbox even if they wanted to due to their contract with Nintendo

[@ymi_yugy3133]

I think AMD is probably the most likely option, but ARM+Nvidia seems certainly possible. Backwards compatibility doesn't look like an insurmountable challenge. As far as I can find, there have been no Series S/X exclusives. They all had PC releases. So Microsoft could probably run the PC version on next gen consoles with automatically applied settings, like what Geforce Experience does. ARM would be a challenge, but I'm pretty sure a next gen ARM cores could match the aging Zen 2 Cores even under emulation. For the 360 games, emulation is probably viable. That leaves the few games from the Xbox One era that didn't get PC releases. They can probably hack together an emulator or stream them from the cloud. Sure having to use the often more buggy/stuttery PC releases, not to speak of Cloud streaming, will enrage your hardcore Xbox fan, but I could totally see Microsoft doing it anyways.

[@DOGMA1138]

Intel has a pretty decent graphics IP right now, which makes them a decent option right now, we need to see how Battlemage scales upwards. And with consoles drivers isn't as much and an issue and still having an x86 still makes it easier for backward compat without a translation layer.

[@zbigniew2628]

​@@DOGMA1138Look at the DIE size of Intel GPUs... No way they can make efficient consoles.

[@DOGMA1138]

@@zbigniew2628 Battlemage reduced the die size by 33% and Intel is projecting a similar decrease for Celestial which is still coming late 2025.

[@fafski1199]

Microsoft jumped from Nvidia to ATi (now AMD) when they went from the "OG" XBox to the XBox 360, without too much of an issue with backwards compatability. So, I can't really see there being much of an issue GPU wise, if they reversed that and went back to using a Nvidia GPU. It's still using the same X86-64 instruction set and architecture after all. Plus, compatabily software has vastly improved since back then. The very same goes with them jumping over to using Intel instead. However, jumping over to a ARM CPU might throw up a few issues here and there. Although a decently implemented translation layer should iron out most of the issues. Plus, Microsoft have already done a very simular thing already with Windows for ARM. I've gotta say though, if they did jump back to using Nvidia GPU's, then it would definatly hand to them a leading and invoative edge in gaming tech that they simply wouldn't get by sticking it out with AMD. Plus, it would also knock Sony firmly onto it's backfoot. Jumping over to Intel on the otherhand, then probably not so much so. Although, I've got to say that Intel's future Celestial and Druid GPU's do look pretty impressive (at least on paper).

[@DOGMA1138]

@@fafski1199 There was no back compatibility between the 360 and the OG Xbox outside of select titles, because Microsoft moved from an x86 to PowerPC.... This isn't about the GPU but about the CPU.

[@mightyhadi6132]

Probably if Xbox still want to make consoles they will probably take benefit from AMD GPU PC sides (ATI Radeon RX GPU ) unlike PlayStation which will benefit with consoles sides along with PC sides plus cheaper cost for producing direct costumes GPU design for PS6.

[@ForTheViolence]

Microsoft has more money than god, besides the Activision deal they have been fighting Sony with kids gloves. I don’t think AMD wants to sour their relationship with Microsoft and I don’t think Sony wants too push them too far.

[@G360LIVE]

What's Microsoft going to do? The Activision deal is the very reason Microsoft had to become a third party. Phil Spencer wanted to buy Activision and make COD exclusive to Xbox (like he made Bethesda games exclusive to Xbox after that purchase). Then the FTC and CMA got involved and claimed "monopoly", and suddenly, Phil is complaining that Microsoft can't compete, Microsoft is so weak, blah blah blah. And what happened? Microsoft immediately began offering 10-year deals for COD on every platform, including Nintendo platforms that haven't had a COD game since 2013. Then the Activision deal is approved, and suddenly, Microsoft is not only putting Activision games on every platform, but they're now moving to put all Microsoft first-party games, including Halo, on all platforms. Not to mention, it seems like Microsoft agreed not to market COD on Xbox, because Microsoft owns COD yet didn't bundle COD with the Xbox Series X/S during the holidays. In fact, they didn't bundle any game with the console. It's as if Microsoft had to stop marketing their hardware. And suddenly, it's all about software, and, "Everything is an Xbox". Seriously, Microsoft is laughably bad right now. They embarrassed themselves when they begged for the privilege of paying $68 billion for Activision just to put all Activision games on more consoles than they were on before Microsoft bought them. That deal seriously backfired on them. And now, their investors want that money back as quick as possible. Oh, and how about Xbox fans complaining about Sony money-hatting games? Where's Microsoft and their "more money than god"? Why isn't Microsoft money-hatting games? Why are Xbox fans crying about Black Myth: Wukong? Sony didn't even pay for that one, but the fans think they did because someone from Microsoft accused Sony of money-hatting. Is that "fighting Sony with kids gloves"? Look, AMD can do what they want, and Microsoft won't do anything. Sony can do what they want, and Microsoft won't do anything. And hey, remember when Microsoft made an offer to buy Nintendo, and Nintendo laughed them out of the room?🤣

[@ForTheViolence]

@@G360LIVEI’m not reading all that. It’s a plastic box.

[@cadizking8161]

​​​@@G360LIVE No one is reading that long text. Just so you know Microsoft doesn't only make console, they also make surface hardware where they partner with Amd, Intel and Nvidia. Microsoft also makes Servers and own a percentage of OpenAI. Console hardware doesn't make that much money.

[@xtr.7662]

It doesnt matter when the xbox department is always operating at a loss as they have mentioned before

[@RS_0747]

@@G360LIVE Who hurt you buddy? Are you alright?

[@jdarg4163]

No i believe Mircrsoft will use the AMD/Sony tech for its machine learning just as Sony uses Mircrsoft tech for its online platform lool

[@sashen6678]

Also MS already uses Sony tech in the form of HDMI and blu-ray/4k blu-rays for their disc based systems( in fact MS used 4k drives in their consoles before Sony did with the XB One S/X whilst the PS4 slim/pro only had a standard bd drive)

[@thev3432]

Except that this is yet another XBOT LIE. Playstation doesn’t use Azure. They use AWS.

[@markus8994]

They literally use Azure for cloud game streaming.

[@thev3432]

@ they DO NOT use Azure for cloud streaming. They were in a tentative contract to do so but that fell through when MS went after ABK.

[@thev3432]

@@markus8994 why do you Xbots lie or spread misinformation so much?

[@lyserberg]

Well AMD now has the AI compute necessary to run a good upscaler on their upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs so Microsoft will naturally tap into that for their next console.

[@noisylatent]

No. They don't. Keep seething.

[@torqq69]

@@noisylatent eh 2/10

[@CharlesVanNoland]

I haven't heard of any Intel APUs, or rather, Intel CPUs with Intel ARC GPU cores integrated into them yet. Maybe we'll see a console with an Intel CPU/GPU die someday?

[@riccardoloffi2017]

I doubt they will have the same architecture, Sony collaborates with AMD on new ML/AI technologies but will have a tailor-made architecture made, however AMD will be free to pass on what has been developed to third parties.

[@EdoXTensei]

All opinions are subjective.

[@FalconzFan13]

I think it makes perfect sense for Xbox to stick with AMD, NVIDIA would be too expensive & as Oliver said, they’ll want to maintain cohesion for BC & if not NVIDIA well there’s no other options. I wonder if Sony/AMD are developing their own ARM chipsets?

[@neverable2]

I severely doubt that. Sony has a tendency to except for the PS3 to attempt to make "free" backwards compatibility at a hardware level. They are exceptionally resistant to recompiling games in comparison to their competitors. Rather just resell a remaster again.

[@HeavyMetalCowboy90]

While Intel/Nvidia THE PC combo to have, I can’t see MS moving away from the undeniably good chips AMD produces. However, the New Intel GPU could lead to something new…doubtful…but I won’t ignore the very slim possibility.

[@RS_0747]

I think Microsoft need to give Nvidia a call. All jokes aside i really do hope Xbox evens the scales for competition.

[@alexb115]

Microsoft should open the pockets and go Nvidia That would make things interesting

[@Mineiran]

What blocks Microsoft go to Nvidia, what blocks them from it?

[@theonik2006]

Putting Nintendo aside, both MS and Sony had a bad experience working with nVidia. Ultimately AMD offers them a better deal and more control. I'm more surprised that the Nintendo relationship seems to have worked more than anything. The other big thing is x86. Both Sony and MS wanted a more PC-like arch which is why they moved to x86 and you can't really use x86 unless you buy from Intel or AMD. And MS has had a terrible experience with Intel too. Mixing and matching used to be something you did in the Xbox 360 days but nowadays everyone wants SoCs so AMD kinda is the only game in town at the moment unless you want to go ARM.

[@86lanzo]

Nvidia sucks for consoles and especially handhelds .. Nvidia chips are too power Hungary.. They also don't make great SOCs..because of their reliance on intel.. AMD offers great CPU and GPU performance.... Nintendo can go with Nvidia because they don't compete directly..the switch 2 will be old hardware but use AI to make up the difference but for all purposes switch 2 will have performance around ps4 level... Nvidia simply cannot offer what AMD can..at the TDP required at a decent price point. What would be interesting is if Microsoft combines AMD and Nvidia into one box.. But that's not feasible..because they get lower prices for getting whole SOC from one vender.

[@sokol5805]

CPU. AMD is a powerhouse when it comes to CPU.

[@michaelgallagher518]

@@86lanzo Hungary doesn't have anything to do with it :)

[@GameslordXY]

​@@86lanzo IF Nintendo can match the price of the original Switch, it will obliterate all PC handhelds combined. OLED Switch is crushing PC handhelds in batery departement. I think it's 7-8h or so. Not sure about Deck OLED. GTX1650 GDDR5 is stronger than PS4. It might loose in some VRAM heavy aplications. It is 75W GPU and during gaming it probably spends less. So a GPU of 1650 Raster performance level , but with at least triple of VRAM(OG Switch has 4GB I think)+Machine learning and custom modern tech, they might be able to drop it to 50W or so. Maybe less.

[@HwL01]

IF there is even gonna be another xbox console… maybe they just make a gaming tablet or handheld

[@heatwaveps5]

fsr 4 will only be for pc gamers & not the consoles this generation is this correct

[@GalaxyFur]

If the next Xbox comes out in 2026, as the rumor suggests, it will obviously not include PlayStation AI 6 tech since PS6 isn't likely to launch until 2028. I have heard that the PS6 is aiming for a higher target spec goal than the next supposed Xbox.

[@neverable2]

Really? All I ever see from Sony is the PS6 is gonna exist. Less bombastic than THE GREATEST LEAP EVER!!! From Xbox. Granted I'd take both those approaches over the bread crumbs the Switch 2 marketing uses.

[@GalaxyFur]

@neverable2 Xbox CEO's are also very famous for being pathological liars. A system coming out in 2026 won't have the tech of one coming out in 2028. Sony and AMD are developing AI Tech and better pssr tech that will be available around late 2027.

[@leonardharris9678]

something this article made no mention of..MS gave AMD gave AMD a LOT of money to help set up new fab...probably gave AMD a LOT more money then Sony could even afford to give AMD...so Trust me AMD will allways watch out for MS first THEN Sony

[@ceegii63]

how dumb would AMD be locking out XBOX and MS when a huge part of AMDs business needs MS being in Desktops, Laptops and other Windows devices

[@molsen7549]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Sony is in a position to even ask AMD to keep any tech exclusive to them?

[@neverable2]

The 360 and PS3 did share CPU technologies between them. Both pulled assets from a shared PowerPC foundation without either design team knowing let alone their clients. The clerk in the middle though was probably laughing his ass off.

[@djtomoy]

i love ai collabs

[@AdorableFruit]

MEGA W FOR THE GAYSTATION

[@joshuam4993]

If XBOX makes a deal with Nvidia. they would CRUSH it

[@macvillian]

I think Microsoft is going to go with Intel for their next console. I believe Intel is pushing hard to secure Microsoft's next console.

[@RrEMBT]

YES!!! Same as the “magick” SSD… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Leesin6767]

Consoles need to go back to custom architecture. I am sick of these boring boxes. Bring back powerPC, cell CPU etc. This is why consoles are always out of date out of the box. Custom architecture = longer life of console. I won't hold my breath. These days, risk-taking is long gone in the hardware space. It's all very safe and boring now.

[@jstew2938]

What about Intel?

[@Ascended-Antlers]

Next gen better be on ARM, can’t wait for x86 to die

[@xboxmaniac7443]

Nvidia will be the answer to Xbox let's get partnership with the best so you will be the best !

[@TheHardStyleLife]

what are they gonna change next console... 8 k? how bout some games :D

[@c331hunt]

I think Microsoft will leave the hardware market. They should. License the Xbox brand to someone like ASUS for a handheld and just let Microsoft concentrate on publishing. Maybe license out the Xbox front end in a windows shell to take on steam.

[@alexmac513]

There isn't going to be another XBox console. I refer you to the 'This is an XBox' ad they have made recently. I also feel Sony might give up on dedicated consoles.

[@Barbaroossa]

lmao, what next gen Xbox? The PS5 and the Switch 2 are getting the Master Chief Collection, there ain't gonna be a next generation of Xbox consoles. What we're probably gonna see now are handheld mini-PCs like the Steam Deck and Legion Go.

[@kingken8916]

Sounds like you're thinking small. Sarah Bond was talking about forward compatibility. Why does no one listened to the words that come out of people's mouths. The most advanced technological leap in a generation are her exact words with forward compatibility for your old games. If you start thinking in those terms then Arm is a possibility.

[@विचित्रलड़का]

Its called content creation. Xbox is the bread and butter for all content creators.

[@E.V.S413]

I’m here for Sony

[@Mr3-j4m]

Microsoft are more closer with Nintendo than Sony. So Microsoft will follow Nintendo in supporting ARM CPU & NVIDIA GPU in their futures consoles

[@GameslordXY]

One can hope .

[@YouTubeCensors]

MS won't follow anyone, they'll do what benefits them most

[@grobariza]

Microsoft should partner up with Nvidia then. Or intel.

[@cosmicgamingunlimited]

I think Microsoft will go arm with gigantic AI tech.

[@The_Meowjesty]

The way these people ask questions is so cringy, go and grab some sunshine.

[@YouTubeCensors]

This is such a Nothing story. As if Xbox and Playstation didn't do their own thing with XSX and PS5 with AMD already.

[@TitanCrash630]

I have a feeling the next Xbox is going to be similar in specs to the PS6 again.

[@GalaxyFur]

Only if it comes out around 2028 like the PS6 likely will. If it comes out in 2026, as the new rumors and even old rumors suggest, it will run older tech than the PS6.

[@GameslordXY]

​@@GalaxyFur Older tech or not , it doesn't necessarily mean weaker .

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

​​@@GalaxyFur could get around that by using a modular design that you can easily upgrade as needed instead of needing to buy a whole new console. But who knows. Since Microsoft doesn't really care about selling the most hardware to start with a modular design would actually make sense.

[@GalaxyFur]

@@GameslordXY Older tech literally means weaker. The PS6, coming online in 2028, aims for faster tech and more advanced AI. Sony would not nor has ever released a system with nearly identical performance to something that has existed on the market for two years. That would be absolutely dumb. Of course, it would be more powerful-that's a given. That's how consoles have always worked.

[@GalaxyFur]

@@De1usionsofGrandeur The whole point of a console is not to have a modular design. That would be called a PC. If anything, the console industry learned that the modular concept does not work. As did the cell phone industry. Modular tech has been tried before in two tech industries, both of which had negative consequences. It just creates consumer confusion, disparities in the ecosystem, and raised costs. The N64 Expansion pack and the 64 DD showed Nintendo it wasn't worth going down. It's easier and cheaper to release a new system when it is the right time.

[@DoomyRei]

Amd is king

[@Shimmed]

The next box will be the last box.

[@mikeuk666]

Said folks for last 2 generations

[@Shimmed]

You must be one of those “everything is an Xbox” guys. Yes, there will be smartphones when the PS7 is released. Enjoy your “Xbox.”

[@ForTheViolence]

@@Shimmed Ps7? That’s a long time to play on mediocre hardware. Consoles haven’t been cutting edge since the 360 and ps3 generation. And it only took pc a few months to surpass them. The ps4 and ps5 generations have been low mid tier hardware on arrival.

[@MoodieJazz17]

@@ForTheViolenceWhy are you comparing PC to consoles lol of course PCs are more powerful. They always have been. Yet I can play almost the same kind of games with more comfort on console compared to PC.

[@dusermiginte4647]

​@@Shimmedyou really dont get it do you? Its paystation thats in danger, not Xbox...

[@hollyc5417]

There won’t be a “next gen” Xbox.

[@olegulanovskiy1792]

Sony moneyhatting games from xbox. it won't be a surprise if they do this with technology

[@theonik2006]

It's unclear if MS will stay in the hardware business in the traditional sense. I see them focusing on Xbox for Windows and trying to cut a deal with Sony to get Gamepass on PlayStation more than I see them throwing money towards an Xbox Series Y. (why indeed)

[@xboxmaniac7443]

Leave everything behind with your next gen console if you want it to be next gen

[@lugardboy]

Microsoft is a trillion dollar company

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@snkfan]

Microsoft is going Nvidia they didin't renew AMD contract

[@LEEROY_UK]

That’s what I’ve been thinking for a while now, they will have to run a compatibility layer for back compatibility something like steam deck does

[@snkfan]

@LEEROY_UK ms wants to unify pc releases for console including steam

[@Javier64691]

Sony collaborating with AMD is nothing new, this time is more of an official way of announcing it. Most of RDNA Ray tracing improvements can be trace to some help from Sony, so even Microsoft is benefiting from that partnership. This will probably mean that the most cutting edge technology will go to PlayStation first, like it was already, while Xbox is going to get more current gen hardware.

[@jonzie24]

I like Oliver's take that they may not be directly competing. I would not mind if MS released a handheld, like Steam Deck (but without parity clause!), and a premium console, going for like $800-$900, but offering much better performance than PS6 - more VRAM, better ray-tracing, more consistent performance. I would like that approach better than the Series X & S combo, for sure.

[@C--A]

No handheld coming from Microsoft lol. Next Xbox console is said to be Microsofts last! Not surprising as Nintendo & Sony have slaughtered Xbox for many years!

[@anthrax2413]

There won't be a next Xbox

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Amd lags behind Nvidia in terms of innovation. And look how long it took Amd to move to ML upscaling while even Intel has beat them by releasing XESS. Nvidia, Intel, or Qualcomm/Arm and Microsoft could make for a powerful next gen console.

[@slavche]

if its ANYTHING like PISSER... THANK GOD XBOX NOT USING IT. Don't go back to SONY FAKE LOVING.... Ya'll don't think Xbox has its hands with new SCALING tech for the next XBOX PRIME.. they had HIGHEST AMD FSR (2.2) THIS GEN over ps5 ( 1.5)... soooo O.O. OR maybe they do a NVIDIA cooperation Next :D

[@stephanhart9941]

Wishful thinking.

[@gloryholdofficial]

The next Xbox will be nvidia based no doubt rumor is they wanna use arm and nvidia is making arm apus now plus the Xbox handheld can use the same tech to make cross performance work better

[@C--A]

Lots of Microsoft 1st party games are available on PC, PS5, Switch/future Switch 2. That handheld was just a clickbait rumour. More evidence of the next Xbox being Microsofts last! With Microsoft then going fully multiplatform releasing all their games on Sony and Nintendo consoles.

[@davidvillamarin-lj2pf]

Next console. That was already debunked. Fake rumor.

[@XINTSUAI]

Will there be a next Xbox console?

[@cyrus8886]

Yes phil already confirmed it

[@mikeuk666]

Yes

[@dusermiginte4647]

Release next year..

[@UberNeuman]

Why would anyone belive Xbox is going to be around in another gen....

[@MrAdam802]

Because they will be.

[@WUKONGSerieS10GBofRAM]

nextgen xbox..... after this haha After poor sales of the Xbox Series X/S, Microsoft has begun to shift its strategy towards being a broader Game Pass platform which can be accessed across multiple devices. This push has been clear for several years now, with many former Xbox exclusives making their way to other platforms, but it’s been reinforced in a new Xbox marketing campaign which downplays Xbox consoles in favour of phones and laptops. Microsoft will stop marketing Xbox consoles in Europe Microsoft Could Stop Pushing Xbox Consoles In Europe, Other Regions Microsoft stop marketing of Xbox consoles in EMEA and focus only on Game Pass, Cloud, PC and Xbox Controllers Xbox One's 57.9 million units sold are just over half of the PS4's 117 million, The PlayStation 5 has sold 60.16 million units in 44 months, while the Xbox Series X|S sold 29.64 million units. October 2024 Worldwide Console Sales PS5 11.19M, Nintendo Switch 7.59M, Xbox Series X|S 3.25M

[@AliAbidalkareem]

Because we know there will be another gen.

[@MichaelM28]

@@MrAdam802Not for long xbot

[@mikeuk666]

​@MichaelM28 you kids been regurgitating the same rubbish for 10+yrs and still wrong

[@ZeroTheHunter]

Since the ps5 pro price fiasco, is amazing how desperate pseudo humans will go to the point of populating DF with fake accounts specificaly targeting hate to the xbox brand lmao. I think xbox should focus more on building a specific software on windows to make gaming more comfortable, since i really dont see them in the next generarion making consoles anymore, they destroyed the opportunity with the "this is a xbox" campaign, but they will join the market of portable consoles, if that happens they probably will go for something that is actually profitable while being also powerful enough to run series s or plus games .

[@gothpunkboy89]

Really funny that you have to spin moon beams to cope.

[@MichaelM28]

What fiasco xbot?

[@dusermiginte4647]

​@@MichaelM28its has zero games dumas... Pisstation is going bankrupt! 😂😂

[@MDXZFR]

Go with Nvidia is always better

[@gregberkhof2953]

Hi

[@snaek12]

For me right now PSSR looks terrible... better invest in to PC

[@zerosam5541]

Its just a bootleg fsr created to sell ps5 pro for marketing's pissr will not recive updates to get better like fsr and dlss

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

2 out of 100 games look terrible and also runs like dog on a Nvidia 4090. Go to PC? How you gona play the biggest game this year called GTA 6?

[@AA-vf9jb]

​@@zerosam5541pssr is a trained model. Of course, they will keep updating

[@Rithysak101]

​@@zerosam5541is it really bootleg fsr if it looks better than fsr?

[@GameslordXY]

Is it? You are basing that on Silent Hill 2 and the like where developers for who knows which reason released it into the wilderness?

[@mattmccaughen7371]

Xbox Gamepass is the future of gaming

[@MichaelM28]

@@mattmccaughen7371 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MichaelM28]

@@mattmccaughen7371 Gamepass is the death of xbox

[@MichaelM28]

Gamepass is the death of xbox*

[@mikeuk666]

​@@MichaelM28 let me guess & PSN isn't? 🤦‍♀️

[@bdizzle9586]

⁠@@mikeuk666You think they’re playing the same game?🤦‍♂️

[@happygofishing]

As a Linux user, I hope for Xbox to go the way of the dodo, as it leads to DirectX having less influence.

[@MrAdam802]

lol

[@rrnnbncykabazooka]

I'm not sure getting rid of the main competition is a good thing in any circumstance. Giving a company a monopoly will only lead to worse games.