Does Tekken Fail at Making Female Characters?

[@DashFight]

What do you think about Tekken's female characters? Tell us, what are the biggest issues for you, and who are your favorite characters?

[@waterdog737]

Okayish, They do need some work and needs some more relevance in the main story. Maybe a few more non eye candy female characters would be interesting but I guess that wouldn't pay Namco Bandai bills

[@RadishHead7]

They should give Reina slick back hair and more muscles. I hate these skinny women in fighting. Look at Street Fighter, they make their women right.

[@DomFortress]

Maybe the developers themselves are afraid of animated women with intense facial expressions?

[@JunKazamaFan]

Facial animations are one issue. Azucena's voice and body language are both so lively and expressive, but her face is just: :| . A bit of added muscle definition to hard hitters would be nice, too. Reina should at least have a Lidia-esque build. My favorite females are Nina, Jun, and Zafina.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

​@@RadishHead7 It's just that you are choosing to focus on some SF girls like Chun Li and Cammy for the sake of your forced argument... but SF has a variety of body types, including slim types. Why must that be excluded? It's just one possibility among others, and it actually enriches the roster. And every japanese fg, aiming at that variety of body types, actually has a few little girls. Some more than others. SF just has less variety than other fgs... that's for men too. It's a more limited fg in that aspect.

[@PaperTigerLive]

One thing though: Jin having an average body type is a wild statement

[@austingoyne3039]

Frame and height yeah but otherwise hell no

[@pdaangsakti21]

it's average in Tekken males maybe...

[@leos8813]

The creator of this video doesn't realize that the males also have the imaginary "problem" he's referring to.

[@austingoyne3039]

@@leos8813 get your eyes checked

[@jestyo0o]

Yeah Jin does roids no arguin there

[@doktor3196]

Jin is Tekken average, not real world average.

[@isimioyekunlemarktaiwo3643]

That is what he meant

[@Stormtrooperfan219]

I still think King has the best face in Tekken history

[@wits_end.]

he has a face?

[@Timethyclicketh]

It's kazuya or dragunov

[@deadzone4033]

Personally I think Yoshimitsu has the best face

[@ilyamuromez6412]

"she doesn't speak her own language" -Alisa,Lars,Dragunov,Lei,Xiaoyu and Zafina left the chat

[@theProClaimer]

Bruh, Dragunov is mute...

[@ilyamuromez6412]

@@theProClaimer selective mute

[@BlueLightningSky]

Lei is from Hong Kong so yes he does speak his own language and Xiayou is technically a Japanese school girl.

[@extreme123dz]

Worst then xD@@theProClaimer

[@wanderlustwarrior]

What language should a Russian robot built to serve a Japanese guy and be a waifu for a Swedish guy living in Japan speak? Binary? Hexadecimal? Zafina doesn't have a known nationality.

[@JunKazamaFan]

I really wish Reina had a bit more of a muscular build. It just looks weird to have her doing these Heihachi-esque power moves with the typical female character body frame (especially the headbutt).

[@dustingabrielle1678]

Asuka too she could gain a little weight to portray her tomboyish buff girl style

[@jestyo0o]

She needs the heihachi haircut too but let's be honest everybody would be playing with one hand if they did that

[@개혁자-k5d]

Cringe. Have you seen real female martial artists who practice karate judo taekwondo etc. They don't exactly look like muscular men do they? They still look like women.

[@BenBuki]

honestly now that you mention yeah, i dont really care much for this reina chick as it is rn, but shed definitely have my attention if she kinda had like the makoto in 3rd strike build and just keep her other characteristics the same

[@Official_Acelynn]

@@dominokillsAnd Xiaoyu is still like 42 kg while being 157 cm, iirc. She should be heavier because she has some muscle, right?

[@NoirN3rd]

Zafina has slightly darker skin? Bro she’s the same color as Nina 🤣

[@Senumunu]

i have zero idea where he gets this point from. if anything Zafina looks paler than the other females bcs of her dark hair and dark make up. really feels like he pulled it out of his ass bcs he wants to affirm that she is arabic.

[@WalkBesideMe]

I just wish Tekken's female characters would actually EMOTE. I can handle the porcelain doll looks because they're catering to a specific crowd but at least make them look a little human.

[@manutdfan231]

Like crack a big ass smile or something man. Ling Xiayou's win outro is what i'd like to see more of lol

[@JunKazamaFan]

Azucena feels so lifeless because of her frozen face.

[@manutdfan231]

@@JunKazamaFan like please smile when your dancing or something man 😭😭

[@kazejay7229]

It’s definitely a lot better in 8 but it’s definitely really stiff

[@carlosaugusto9821]

From what I've seen that's a kind of general japanese art direction that some products follow. Since TK isn't as much anime visually, compared to other jp fgs, I guess the devs decided to take that approach. They want to represent a certain coldness on purpose and avoid strong expressions. Other jp fgs also have some inspirations on that artistic approach, but it's not as strongly as TK, exactly because they have deeper anime roots. Also its nuanced and varied in those games, while TK basically applies it on every female. Like, in SF an older woman like Chun Li or Cammy display a bit of that, while young girls are very expressive. There's that variety. And in KOF, that is even more inclined to anime than SF, the girls are more expressive, following that same varied style overall. So in the end it's more like TK chose a certain artistic method (that has its true value and its place) and made it the rule in the making of the girls models.

[@Mugikabachok]

Paul actually is one of the most detailed characters from the model point of view

[@imnobody2953]

it's bcuz he old looking

[@yusufbukhari6962]

honestly the biggest problem is alot of the girls just dont emote right. Like the mouth moves but nothing else. Like for example, When Ada or Ashley in RE4 remake talk, their entire face moves, not just the lips and eyes, but thats not the case for most of Tekkens female roster, which isnt a problem in the male roster

[@sunnymane]

I don’t agree at all. It has more to do with the actual design more then having them make creepy smiles 😂 They just need more solid base designs

[@mogucentral3820]

I agree with this one. The problem with Tekken is the lack of expression on every character especially from females. And like what Max said before, all females almost look the same like you just need to replace their hair and that's it, a new character lol

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Precisely because its a kind of method for representing female chars.

[@marcossantos1998]

This is it roght here. I dont care about the facial features, it's not a problem. The problem is that they are inexpressive.

[@tabkg5802]

Open the game and fact check this braindead notion. Fucking hell ya all fucks will look at Asuka and say that she doesn't emote

[@kilanspeaks]

Yes, definitely. As a veteran fan, I used to scoff at Dead or Alive’s female characters for being mere dolls with no personality whatsoever, because female characters in Tekken each have their own unique traits and background story. But then of course there was always that problem of them not wanting the female characters to age, and the past couple of installments they’ve become no better than Dead or Alive: swap-palette anime dolls that lack emoting features shown by their male counterparts.

[@ilovefighting348]

TRUE

[@unciervoenciervado]

After seeing how lively Street Fighter girls are, Tekken girls feels very bland.

[@Daniel-Rain-YT]

Lol not anymore lmao, SF6 is generic bland garbage, they completely destroyed the characters and their personalities have been changed for no reason.

[@muysli.y1855]

what i don`t like in SF some girls are too thick expecially lower body

[@mitsugoimatsu7913]

​@@Daniel-Rain-YT Bad troll

[@Daniel-Rain-YT]

@@mitsugoimatsu7913 Wake up drone

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Yeah, they feel like they have a lot more character to them, SF6 was a great way to evolve them

[@ericdcrs]

i think it's like that because they're marketing it for the weebs and their waifu obsession/fantasy

[@tebogotwala5185]

and we stay loving them coz they're sexy

[@ericdcrs]

@@tebogotwala5185 your comment really shows what's going on inside the minds of weebs.

[@CrystalMang0]

Adding a bit of face detail wouldn't ruin them,

[@ericdcrs]

@@CrystalMang0 exactly. It's not like it would ruin their feminine appeal it would only add a bit of realism to them.

[@tebogotwala5185]

@@ericdcrs call me whatever you want. im the happiest man alive and i love the way Tekken women look lol.

[@Zelldic27]

Some of them are a bit boring, but still waaaaay better than the MK1 girls.

[@decadentgamer3108]

Oh yeah? Name one female character from Tekken who is as dynamic all around as any of the male characters?

[@JunKazamaFan]

It's very telling when someone on Reddit removed the hair from six female characters, and about the only one most everybody could correctly identify was Eliza, who has distinctive make-up.

[@MrHeiska01]

To be fair, most men also had same / similar face in Tekken 7. It was one big complaint about it. In Tekken 8 atleast most characters seem to have unique face.

[@KingOfXB0XLive]

Tbh I think if you did that to T8 females you would not have as much of an issue

[@polar6066]

people did recognize them though you changing up the story to people who dont know what the heck you are talking about is a another story

[@sunnymane]

Actually they could pick them out by makeup

[@theelusivememe1772]

They could tell though, why you lieing bruh

[@Archomir]

tekken fails at making any character, street fighter has the best character designs visual and combat wise

[@MsMvsc]

Really weird that TTT2 did a much better job of distinct faces and that was like a decade ago

[@Senumunu]

its not. TTT2 was made on their own engine which they had been using since forever. T7 and T8 are made on Unreal instead

[@superbearchrist1716]

If any character in tekken defies aging it's Law (and no I'm not talking about forest whose only mainline entry is 3) . In tekken 4 and 5 Law looked like his actual age but they kept making him look younger in 6 to 7 and even more so in 8 with his baby face.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

"baby face"? He looks ancient in T8

[@pappico]

Imagine thinking Law looks like a babyface. bro did you not see Lee?

[@TonyMishima92]

Law only looked his age in TK4 and 5 because of that mustache. When you customized him to be clean-shaven, he looked exactly like Forrest.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

​@@pappico Law in 7 was some good baby-face, Lee is just pure anime

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@TonyMishima92him and Forest were in TTT2 and looked different

[@TissueFc]

Harada like his Tekken girls pretty if u want ugly female i suggest u stick to NRS games Also, as an Asian, No Reina and Asuka does not look alike, that like me seeing a black guy and yell iS tHAt wILL sMIth? Ps. suggestion to ppl who want decent Tekken content without weird agenda, black list this channel for recommendation, i will do so too, this channel clearly try to get any amount of click/interaction possible with rage bait/politically charged video since doing legit content get them no where(>2k views)

[@SanguinaryBlade]

I honestly hadn't registered the lack of expressiveness, but yeah they're completely right. And yeah, be nice if they advanced the time and started to give some characters a little bit of aging. Jun I think suits the agelessness, and depending how she's explained in the story, maybe it fits. The game time seems in stasis since what... 2-3 years have passed since tekken 3? Also the femme character builds are really too similar, always have been but it becomes more and more apparent. I'd love to see some more muscle definition on Nina, not making her hulking in any way, but she clearly seems like the sort who works to be powerful as well as precise. Anna is much more concerned with appearances and is fine as she is. Lilli, Xiaoyu, certain characters like that are fine. I think most are decent, though could do with just a touch more tailoring in their body shape/definition and facial expressiveness.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Exactly, Nina seems like someone who would keep her body in good form for combat

[@kinchodragonfly]

I think the biggest problem with Tekken female characters is that they are too bland and do not stand out. When you look at other fighting games, the most populare ones or remarkable are Juri han from SF and Mileena from MK, because they are completely crazy and they attract your curiosity. That also includes Ivy from Soul Calibur who is basically a dominatrix. Tekken female characters are just a mellow versions of anime tropes like Asuka and Lili, and Nina is just all over the place in terms of character development so she is not really likeable.

[@conradojavier7547]

A character like Nina, & Anna is more Western inspired in their design, & Julia is a Cute Girl in a Western Point of view.

[@sunnymane]

Ehhh I do not like Mileena much and Juri is solid. I prefer Nina if I’m being perfect honest

[@Xenozillex]

isnt it past your bedtime?

[@Lugent25]

Claudio is the blandest character in the game along with Shaheen lol.

[@Xenozillex]

@@Lugent25 Yeah idk why that's so true. How do you flop an "Italian Exorcist"? Shaheen is... Shaheen. Even in SF6 they just made the arab a streamer. Which is the cringiest character type the modern era could conjure up.

[@yoz2k25]

I’ll say this, I rather have porcelain dolls over whatever US developers think a woman looks like any day.

[@Alexcobra861]

Based, 100% Based BRAVO !!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 And 🖕🏻western games.

[@candasturan4559]

The issue is the fact that they actually did have variety in the previous games but homogenized the female chars afterwards. In TT2 Nina and Christie had huge shoulders and well defined upper-arms. Julia had bigger tighs than the other girls and characters like Xiao were fairly slim and tiny. Facially they also had very distinguishable features. They took all that away in T7 and now in T8. It's actually really sad.

[@CaptainVulcan]

I agree with the TTT2 sentiment completely. Especially with characters like Lili and Michelle, who are both considered the tallest and heaviest females, respectively. But that variety kinda disappeared in T7, that is, until Kunimitsu and Lidia came along. Always felt that they stood out from the other female cast.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

It's a loss of nuance in the 3d design/modelling. That maybe - just maybe - could be forgiven in 7 because of the complicated development... But that cant be excused in 8, that went through totally different development conditions.

[@darkbornelines4587]

yea, I agree, thinking back to it they did look more different from eachother.

[@a.alphonso6193]

I'm playing TTT2 right now and it's SO true. Nina's body looks completely different from Anna's when you have them on the same team. Her upper arms are so well-defined.

[@Khann_2102]

Jun's face is better in TTT2 than T8

[@msarna3477]

They did such a great job with lidia. Unique face and actually and a muscular model, i genuinely thought they’re gonna do better from now on. Its so disappointing

[@theProClaimer]

I knew good models won't happen as soon as the very first trailer dropped. Jin and Kaz looked so inhumanly buff. They already barely resembled humans in T7 but somehow they made them even more wide.

[@kadinnui2282]

@@theProClaimer Yeah, I honestly don't like how over the top male fighters look in T8. It's grotesque at this point.

[@Reinathegoat]

so u simp over video games charecters what a loser weirdo

[@paradiseb5950]

True, lidia was such a breath of fresh air. Why they had to go the doll route.

[@budgiecat9039]

Because Lidia was DLC and placating to Poland fans I'm not going kidding They had more free time to get her right without the pressure of crunch time and limited budget. By the time Lidia was being created they had long been raking in money from the game

[@bearslikeyou]

There's an extreme lack of different body types and ages for female characters in tekken compared to male characters and I've been increasingly disappointed, where's some evil grandmas.

[@meldrickedwards1892]

Ages? Sure Different body types? Eh... The majority of the dudes have the same type of body. Although, I completely agree with that last sentence. I would love to see some evil grandma's up in Tekken.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

Take the dudes in t7 and bring them in the Customizing thing, make them shirtless and you can actually See their bodys looking different. Sure everybody is roided out while trying to have a low As fuck bodyfat for some reason, but atleast they are different.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@meldrickedwards1892 "The majority of the dudes have the same type of body. " No way, their musculature, girth, weight and height all differ much more than the female characters. They have a lot more variation

[@i3ssb00st5]

​@@imcallingjapan2178yknow what confused the hell outta me? When it comes to how the dudes look, pewople bashed on Steve. Like what the hell? You guys wanted different faces on characters and then all of a sudden you get mad when Steve was shown?

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@i3ssb00st5 why did they bash Steve, does he look old now?

[@skullo1551]

"From Slim Lee Chaolan and Lei Wulong" ...What?

[@TITANia69420]

Lmao I thought it was just me when I referred to Reina as Purple Asuka 😂

[@badconnection4383]

I also wish they had more agency; I also wish we had more edgy female characters. The only ones I can recall are Unknown, The Williams Sisters, and Master Raven, and maybe Kunimitsu. I mean, we have a multitude of edgy dudes throughout the series, but I've only listed four edgy female characters.

[@gv82089]

Reina seems to be following the trend

[@badconnection4383]

@@gv82089 Kinda but it sorta feels like they cloned Heihachi's personality onto her and she's also not edgy from a visual standpoint. I wanna see some scars.

[@sblbb929]

She literally is possessed by him. Also keep in mind she replaces him in the roster, so to keep Heihatchi players happy she has to be a bit like him

[@TheSimplyJJP]

@@sblbb929 Heihachi's main appeal is that he's an insanely powerful old man with funny pointy hair. This replacement ain't gonna cut it.

[@badconnection4383]

@@TheSimplyJJP If anything she looks like that Samsung girl people were obsessed with last year.

[@WalkBesideMe]

Yes but more so, how lifeless they look.

[@SnakeGamerMG3]

Japanese fighting game.... Japanese women in animation are always "smooth", without wrinkles, without expression marks, young and perfect, without scars or any skin blemishes. It is the chosen art.

[@yunuss58]

True And it is so boring

[@BakedConjurer5]

so far the female characters in t8 has been generic in terms of its realistic facial movements, but i think reina is a little bit better and so far all males have a lot more realistic facial movement

[@Kickinthescience]

MK was ahead of everybody when it came to facial movement. Especially for female characters

[@sunnymane]

Y’all will hear a meme and just keep repeating it lol

[@Xenozillex]

all the asian females and azu look the same

[@JohnnyBlake-bu4hl]

​@@Xenozillexfreaking racist amirite

[@sblbb929]

@Xenozillex They scanned faces of real women for the models, so that's just you being racist. As someone from asia asuka looks very different to reina to me

[@wonderman7166]

I just wish Tekken start having *'Face Models'* in future games, so every single character would have a unique facial structure (especially the Tekken Girls)

[@wiseman1202]

naah i dont want Kazuya face to have face model, he looks cool, Jin and Feng too! it's like saying Akuma need a real life face model! that'll sucks and people are going to boycott this

[@marlonmontelhiggins8570]

The men's faces are unique enough. It's the women's that need more flavour.

[@CrystalMang0]

Don't need one, they can improve the faces without that

[@jasperwilliams9619]

No way, keep the fantasy games fictional

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Tekken has some problem with stereotypes in general. There is good character variety, but there is also quite a few very huge holes: No big women, no adult or older looking women are the most obvious. There is also no lanky or intermediate people: there are hyper athletic ones and very fat ones, nothing in between. And while there is some variation in male faces, it is truly small in the case of women. Their shapes and expressions are truly copy pasted. Even their busts... come on, Japan has no shame on putting all types of boobs everywhere, yet in Tekken all of them are sameish. Where are the Baikens and Talims of tekken? Even from a male-gaze POV you are doing it poorly, Bamco.

[@CrystalMang0]

No adult?

[@sblbb929]

Most women are adult??? Nina, Anna are in their late 30s, Kazumi is like 100, New peruvian woman is a CEO of a coffee company, Jun is literally Jin's mother. Lily, Asuka, Xiao go to college now ...

[@helldronez]

cause woman standard in japan is different than your standard, westener can't understand east cultures

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

@@sblbb929 Also those numbers are pointless when they all look like they're in their early 20's. Maybe Nina and Anna look like they're 30 but that's it.

[@loxzone1]

Just take a look at Jun's face from TAG2 and now here in T8, they're almost like two different characters. In TAG2 she actually looked like she had character and personality.

[@LoneTaurus82]

I just made a similar comment. I was so letdown by her face. It really does make her like a different character all together.

[@Khann_2102]

Her face looks like a doll in T8

[@pappico]

She looks so bad in Tekken 8 after comparing to the TTT2 versionーshe was perfect there down to the voice acting. Now what tf even is she wearing?! That's a mother of a 20-something year old grown man wearing large-sized children's clothes. 🤡

[@juhadexcelsior]

@@LoneTaurus82 she looks like female Jin

[@antistraightmen]

i think she looks better in 8

[@bivitabrata3188]

Simply because the most people who play this are men, who like pretty and sexy girls. Having them aged like some of the male characters would at some degree reduce their fanboyism. I agree with making them more like human instead of porcelain doll though.

[@chibu3212]

What about Street Fighter 6? Unless the Tekken audience had a radically different taste, then your argument doesn’t stand.

[@i3ssb00st5]

​@@chibu3212tekken community is just a daycare centre full of children whinibg about every little thing they see rather than just enjoy the game for what it is. I do agree with the porcelain doll thing but look at how they reacted when Steve was shown, hell lotta hypocrites because they liked it when the dudes looks different but Steve is an exception?

[@Eanakba]

​​​​@@i3ssb00st5people said the same about law's face, you don't see anyone boycotting the game over it or calling it woke or w/e. It's not even about making them uglier, if they somehow can't make any other face or body type look good that's a skill issue💀

[@CrystalMang0]

What? First of all face detail wouldn't ruin anything bro. Also aging? Street fighter ages characters just fine.

[@marcossantos1998]

Both ryu and chun are nearing their 60s, do they look like that to you? ​@@CrystalMang0 Variety is nice but people also want to play characters they think are cute and cool

[@meganinten0078]

I prefer how the female characters in Tekken look over how boring and/or ugly the female characters in Mortal Kombat look. What do Westerners have against female characters in videogames?

[@Kat1kafka]

Atleast the female characters in this game dont look like ugly men like in other video games

[@budgiecat9039]

This female sameface design problem started in TTT2 and got worse in Tekken 7 Nina, Julia, Xiaoyu had very distinct faces in Telken 3. Julia's got more genric over time as did Nina's though. It got so bad that in Tekken Tag Tournament 2 i couldn't tell the difference between Julia and Michelle at first.

[@denzolli4381]

I absolutely agree, I think the thing with Reina that stood out to me (if she is actually a part of the Mishima family) is that unlike Lars and Jin etc who all share the trademark features like a deep angry brow and expression or angular gravity defying hair, she has none of the same features at all. Its like the designers are afraid to even give her any sort of masculine or aggressive feature, even design-wise like her hair. Its actually really lame and I see the way women are portrayed in a bunch of my favourite games from Japan to the point its just boring and dehumanising. I reject the idea that Mortal Kombat characters look ugly though, that game was going for a realistic look and used actors for face scans and at the very least had a variety of faces and expressions. Even though Tekken is more exaggerated and stylised it has created a design and presentation style with its male characters that it then fails to follow in its own style, which is why you have a bunch of weird angelic and porcelain looking anime girls fighting guys who look like they're from Fist of the North Star. But something I see in the comments a lot when talking about this (and the video itself) is the hesitancy to call it what it is, which is just a clear case of sexism. People bend over backwards to point to some technicality or design problem (which in some ways is true) without looking at the root cause which is just that the female characters aren't respected as much in how they're designed; which is to be attractive as possible and treated as eye-candy rather than an actual character. That's when you see the trend we are seeing now where every woman in the game is a hollow shell (narratively and physically) and all fit into the same archetype with no substance.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

The mishima thing really annoyed me. I had hopes reina would be looking unique.

[@Xenozillex]

I wouldnt call their hesitancy sexism. People like you are so hungry to be a victim you label something a phobe or ism. Because everyone is evil in your eyes. It's really just fanboyism. Thing I like==me therefore if you criticize thing you are insulting me. So if you say reina is boring. Well, I like T8, she is a character in T8, therefore she cannot be boring cause that would mean I am boring.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

@@Xenozillex so you cannot criticize because "Art i enjoy==me" Did you even think a second about the implications of your outlandish theory? Especially since you Fall in your own trap. T8 cant be sexist, since i like t8 and i cant be sexist. All you did is Form a theory without any legs to stand on, t which says we cannot dislike parts of something we like.

[@Xenozillex]

@@newphonewhodis7152 That's how people think. The proof is in the pudding. Why do you think people get so personal and hostile when you criticize the thing you like? You are just saying I am wrong with no alternative explanation for people's behavior. Basically what you said has zero value.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

@@Xenozillex what? I dislike her because its not inspired, the Design ist generic. It doesnt change how i think about myself. What happens in me if i look at dragunov and reina and think "boring" and "badass" at the same time? The Alternative is well known, people have aesthethic values and Personal opinions about things. The idea that i have to identify with a character to dislike them is weird idea. This would also mean, looking at good looking characters would change my mood since i would then identify myself as the good values i see in them. How do you explain if people dislike something they dont have strong Feelings about? And there is no proof. Look how you Argue. My opinion is right, the proof is in the Pudding, i Just won the Argument.

[@BridgetGX]

Tekken is actually responsible for making the most beautiful woman in fighting game history: Nina Williams.

[@MistarZtv]

You're entitled to your wrong opinions. But the most beautiful woman in fighting game herstory is Lili. 😌✨

[@BridgetGX]

@@MistarZtv Lili is definitely cute.

[@rangikumatsumoto3143]

@@MistarZtv guys guys, stop arguing. It is actually Marisa

[@Love-Sensibility]

Oh please. We all know the sexiest woman in fighting game history is Black Orchid from Killer Instinct. Iam finally admitting now that I fell in love with her. No female character in fighting games has ever make me feel this way, so that's pretty special

[@ryuhoshi3419]

While ur criticisms are valid, I am not so sure if I want the mortal kombat or even sf treatment on tekken... If you want female facial designs fitting the so called "modern audience" narrative, there is more than enough in current day, some might even say too much. Just maybe not in fighting games.

[@DarkShadow-hy6iq]

So they should continue looking like unrealistic Barbie dolls?

[@StubenhockerElite]

Zafina, Kazumi, Master Raven, Anna and Nina are all pretty cool. But ngl, the teenage/young adult female characters in Tekken all act like toddlers or like they have brain damage and that sucks

[@tikitakafutbol]

Right now tekken has the best girls. Period.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Lili, Reina, and Nina can all domme me tbh

[@Lugent25]

Not at all, we had Eliza, Chloe, Josie, Asuka, Lili etc. all of them had personality and charm, the issue is the community, the females has always been more overly criticized compared to male fighters, because the majority of the playerbase are males, so that said I think it's obvious that there is some hidden Misogynist mentality lucking in the thoughts of most Tekken players. As for similarities, I think people are reaching because of above statement, if we was to remove all gear etc. I can distinguish each female face from the other.

[@marcossantos1998]

Agreed

[@legioner8536]

x2

[@dotintegral]

After Lidia, I really thought that tekken will start getting more interesting female characters. But we got Azucena and Reina instead. Why, Harada, why?

[@Kickinthescience]

So MK much better at female character faces?

[@wonderman7166]

What's wrong with Reina💜? She's an edgy emo girl that can kick butt and you don't want to mess with

[@INecr0]

@@wonderman7166 What implies that she's emo?

[@itsbeyondme5560]

​@@wonderman7166too anime

[@-nexusxv-8514]

Harada - DONT ASK ME FOR SHIT

[@RanmaruRei]

Sorry, but Lucky Chloe was done right as she should be. If the character is an idol, I don't expect she'll fight with some ancient fighting style, I expect her to be so ridiculous as she is.

[@archierm]

Paul is actually one of the good ones. Literally the best smile in the game.

[@hamburglar3]

he's in top condition

[@budgiecat9039]

Paul looked the best in Tekken 5

[@carolpulma2734]

This is mild in comparison to western developers who will intentionally uglify their female characters to a point that they barely ressembles the models they hired, all for the sake of their panderverse.

[@tenorei]

the sameface thing is not really a tekken problem, plenty of other Asian games have this issue. I think it's because the female beauty standards in Asia are pretty constricting if you look at their celebrities they all look very similar or get plastic surgery if they had some features that would make them look different.

[@CC-sg5fg]

This is the comment I was looking.

[@paradiseb5950]

Exactly, it’s the beauty standards in asia. But look at capcom and how sf characters all look unique and different. Namco could never.

[@imarock.7662]

No, they don't. I also think people are making too much of a big deal about this. Also, Reina is amazing. (I also feel like the hate for Lucky Chloe is overblown, and pretty superficial.)

[@monumentvalley6681]

I feel like Lucky Chloe was a troll character that was meant to be hated. If Hadara's goal was to piss people off over something so trivial like some goofy blonde girl, I give him props for succeeding.

[@cptmacmillan1111]

My man doesn't know about the unexplained Asian genetic phenomenon of not aging until they've menopaused.

[@otakuthegreat]

I know right? 😂

[@jfray9585]

So Asian genetic phenomenon only touch women ? It is totaly normal for jun to look younger than his son. Around the age of 25 the first signs of aging start to become apparent on the surface of the skin, for that reason Nina is asian

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@jfray9585😂😂

[@dashar6162]

Do we really want that tho

[@DashFight]

Do we really want what?

[@dashar6162]

@@DashFight more body type for the girls we can always use more expressions tho

[@archertreloar4806]

While I do agree with most of your points, I do feel like you’ve completely misunderstood that everything about Lucky Chloe is a deliberate choice. She’s a troll character, she’s designed to frustrate opponents into making mistakes, hitting you with the same rhythmic looped low kick annimations over and over. You even said it yourself: “even her gameplay is annoying”. The comparisons to Eddy are a part of that: their contrast in the story shows clearly that her fighting style isn’t capoeira, but literally just random pop idol dance steps. It’s insulting to fight her because of course she wants to insult you, she’s Psychological Warfare: the character. You could argue that her gimmick didn’t work if that design intent doesn’t come across, but people who play her certainly understand that design intent. When anyone complains about Lucky Chloe and everything she does as just being annoying, comparing her to all the other serious characters and whatnot, all I’m hearing is that her fighting style worked wonders on you.

[@R3fug333]

No. The answer is no. Saved myself 11:33

[@armorking2832]

Jin an average guy lol, non of them are average male or female. This guy is delusional.

[@garitobee7541]

"However, it doesn't mean they can't do better... because they should!" - You You make good points in this video, but don't ever tell other people, especially creators, what they "should" do. Just say you would LIKE for Bandai-Namco to make different female characters for such-and-such reason, but don't ever say someone SHOULD do something. All great points, then you ended it with a yuck statement.

[@nautilus236]

They could look better but the main problem with this discourse is that most of the critics have shit taste and shouldn't be listened to.

[@Nehonat]

I think having different female builds goes way beyond personality and character believability - it greatly affects how the moves look and adds character to the fighting style.

[@iAmNothingness]

Chun-Li without thicc tighs. 💀

[@robertdisla8649]

I hope they keep them doll like and pretty. I preferred that 100000000% over those kaju like western female characters

[@EternalDoctrine]

Facts

[@BeretBay]

Human-like does not equal ugly. There's clearly no balance between the male characters and female characters' faces. Asuka's RA is a clear example of what's wrong with having doll faces.

[@Alexcobra861]

Based, 100% Based, BRAVO 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻👍🏻. AND 🖕🏻WESTERN GAME!!!

[@Senumunu]

dude we in the west dont like these masculinized golems either. no one of us votes on this. Capcoms grotesque female characters look that way bcs Capcom got investment from ESG bankers.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Hating the west while playing a game that has fighters from across the world is wild tbh

[@maximilianw9671]

No.

[@saartnomsky4523]

yall will make problems out of anything 😅

[@ragnarok7452]

Similar for male characters, almost everyone looks like they take steroids. Even one based on Bruce Lee is way buffer than actual Bruce Lee. They could do some slim male characters(not skinny one, but one with lean muscles). That said Alisa does look like Xiaoyu with Pink Hair in T8.

[@theProClaimer]

Only thing i like in MK over Tekken - their characters actually look like fighters and not anti synthol community messaging

[@GaidenDS10]

Tekken, like DoA, Street Fighter and KoF, emphasizes Soft-core female characters - cause if they had many hardcore female characters like from Mortal Kombat or Killer Instinct then I think that could reduce their own player data base. But hey it’s Fiction so I think it’s fine.

[@MrEssedis]

What do you mean by softcore? Female characters that kill? And why the hell does mortal Kombat only have one body model for all female characters.

[@the_tranquil_tana]

I completely agree. I think it's a disservice to the the female characters that 99% of them don't even look like fighters.

[@AC-mj1pr]

Missed an opportunity to add Master Raven to your list along with Zafina and Lidia. Also, Zafina's skin is no darker than the majority of the the other asian female characters.

[@budgiecat9039]

You know what I never understood? Why did they decide to make Julia Chang Chinese American despite her being an orphan on a Native American reservation adopted by Michelle Chang? Michelle was adopted yes. But what are the odds? Are there just a bunch of abandoned Chinese kids running around in Native American plantation 😂 What makes it worse is on Tekken 3, it did look like they tried to make Julia look Native American. Her facial design and skin tone were darker than Michelle's as seen in their ending cutscene and her profile. Giving the impression she was a Native American girl that Michelle adopted and she took her last name as such. But then in later games they just made her Asian. Then they made her Anime Asian 😂 And then I heard Harada even try to communicate with Native American Tekken fans online asking them how theyd like to see the characters and their culture represented etc So weird.

[@morgzana1374]

"Dont eddy gordo us?" Am sorry but if your argument is that lucky chloes moves wouldnt stand a chance against the devil jin, idk why a real martial art would stand a chance either. So yeah am gonna eddgy gordo yall, if she cant why would eddy gordo be able to?

[@Senumunu]

it was such a dishonest argument to shit on Chloe but protect Eddy who is very similar and arguably even more annoying to fight.

[@morgzana1374]

@@Senumunu if you pay any attention to this guys ''witty'' jabs there often dishonest and stupid.

[@talkinggames9848]

The female characters are exactly the same as the male characters. The male characters have the idealized look men wish they had: strong and rugged yet beautiful without being pretty. The female characters are the polar opposite of the male fantasy look, women want to be eternally young, feminine and cute. The thesis of this video is a perfect example of the old wisdom that says be careful what you wish for. Mortal Kombat did what the video is asking for, people hate it. So we are asking Namco to do what Mortal Combat did... but do it the right way. What is the right way? 99% of real people look average at best. Basically we as males are happy to be depicted as we wish we looked but females cannot have their own looks fantasy fulfillment.

[@ragnarok7452]

Facts

[@Senumunu]

this guys must live in an american or canadian city where the average is even more dysgenic. i wonder what his "normal" or "human" looks like. he only mentions the metal gear solid chick but no one remembers her and she looks like a dude.

[@toro2812]

All the languages in the world and you chose to speak facts

[@lordtrigon1733]

Did you even watch the video? He did not ask for them to look more like average people, he asked for them to be more different from one another. They're all inexpressive dolls conforming to a specific look in a way the males are not confined to. Mortal Kombat did not do what he's asking for, all the women in MK1 share the same build and height as well (not to mention every one of them wears heels) but at least they're more expressive than the Tekken 8 girls and gave us more a couple of mature options as well as a visibly demonic lady. Street Fighter 6, on the other hand, actually *did* do what he's asking for, there's plenty of variety in that roster.

[@roberteriksen6434]

_The male characters have the idealized look men wish they had: strong and rugged yet beautiful without being pretty_ Like Bob right? I mean every guy wanna look like Bob right?

[@Demon_Aura]

I absolutely agree with you, for a long the only females I played were Lidia and Kazumi because of this. lately I am playing more just cause I want to try to learn all characters.

[@Kickinthescience]

So MK much better at female character faces?

[@badconnection4383]

@@Kickinthescience That's not what he's saying. All the females in MK1 look so "unique" that they end up looking ugly.

[@Kickinthescience]

@@badconnection4383 Sindel is ugly to you?

[@i3ssb00st5]

​​@@badconnection4383even MK has its own facial issues Man, you guys should just enjoy the games instead. Why pay $70 if yoi're gonna be bothered by how the females look?

[@badconnection4383]

@@i3ssb00st5 I was pointing out the facial issues. It's harder to enjoy games with the rising costs of them, if I am paying $70 for games, than I should be picky about its content. You don't get a filet mignon for $15 just as you don't get a triple a fighting game for 30 anymore.

[@phantomgg7790]

Eh, while i dont agree with everything here, facts are facts, if you wanted to name iconic female fighting characters, you most likely wont be naming tekken characters. Your thoughts would go to Chun Li, Juri, Cammy, Kitana, Millena, Baiken, Morrigan , Mai, if you are a fan of classic oldies you might even recall Nakoruru from samurai showdown or ivy from soul caliber. Go to most peoples top ten lists and they wont have a tekken girl on there. Which is very strange when you consider the fact Tekken is what I would call the big 3 of fighting games. Which would be Street fighter, Mortal kombat then tekken Yet despite that, most people don't really list female tekken characters

[@MistarZtv]

Zafina has slightly darker skin. As a Zafina player. No. She's about as pale as the Irish bred Williams sisters. 😂

[@shivamarya5225]

This video is just not true. You're talking like there's big variation in the male characters when there isn't, all of them are just six pack guys slight variations, with the same serious faces. You're talking about Paul having different expressions and conparing it to Reina or azucena but what about Victor another new guy is the same serious face like Jin or hwo or raven and I'm 100% sure he's the same muscled body type underneath his suit Like have you seen how much male athletes differ from each other, there's people in gymnastics and weight lifting and they differ so much from each other and none of them have defined six packs but tekken 8 represents them the same. Why only talk about females and female athletes?

[@liu3chan]

Male athletes? You mean like a sumo wrestlers (already in Tekken), heavy weight MMA fighters (already in Tekken), fat Karate champion (already in Tekken), old chinese men doing Tai Chi (already in Tekken), stuff like that?

[@shivamarya5225]

@@liu3chan none of them are in tekken 8, all t8 characters are body builders with defined muscles

[@2BAMaster9]

@@liu3chan There’s a reason I don’t play any of those characters. Why would I want to play fat Bob and Ganryu when I can play cool ass Jin or Eddie. No offense to anyone who mains them. Wise old men who are masters of their craft are cool.

[@disins5521]

I dunno if adding Leo to the male examples section was on purpose, but we all know Leo is ambiguous in terms of gender, so Leo is quite the outlier as a example.

[@Alexcobra861]

Leo is a Girl, Watch her bikini costumes in Tekken tag tournament 2.

[@SLightningHedgehog]

@@Alexcobra861 Then again Leo is clearly male since T7 onwards. as a german native I always notice how they always use male pronouns and vocab. Example: in one of his victory quotes he says: "ich glücklicher!" whereas if Leo was supposed to be female it should have been "ich glückliche!" without the r at the end. Also everytime Leo has a title he's called by, its always the masculine version, such as "Sucher der Wahrheit" (Male) instead of "Sucherin der Wahrheit" (female). plus in T7 in Leo's Story fight against Yoshimitsu he also calls Leo a boy. his german voice is also male. Whatever it was with Leo being ambiguous, they retconned it to male with T7 and T8.

[@jasperwilliams9619]

Eleonore Kliesen has always been a female character since their inception in 6 and Harada confirmed it during a presentation for Blood Vengeance, my wife and I know this and she likes Leo for being similar to her. They've even got a bikini alt in TT2 and don't pull the "it's non-canon" crap because Kazuya should have tits for the hell of it then. It's non-canon anyway right?

[@SLightningHedgehog]

@jasperwilliams9619 but what about T7 and T8 then? Leo doesn't have any female clothing there, and as I said before, he is referring to himself with male pronouns in his german voicelines. The only thing that keeps it somewhat ambiguous is the translated sub. Did they fuck up? Because ever since T7 and T8, all the promotional materials in Germany have made him out to be male, I’m not joking.

[@jasperwilliams9619]

@SLightningHedgehog what about Eleonore Kliesen's plot line? They're in disguise akin to Leia from Star Wars so they can gather intel on G-Corp to see who executed their mother so they adopted a masculine outfit. They aren't transgender or born with XY chromosomes, and don't ignore that Harada had already still confirmed Leo was female during the Blood Vengeance conference. You'll have to enlighten me on Leo lore without talking about feminine male VAs or ignoring that their original VA was female, or that they're the only "male" with tits in a bikini in Tekken Tag 2, and I implore you don't choose to pull the "non-canon" card this time either unless you're seriously about to advocate for tits on Kazuya next. Wouldn't that be worse than dead naming a trans person? Showing off their female form in a bikini? That's considered massively intolerant and disrespectful if they weren't created to be a female character. And Yoshimitsu was the first character to notice something was off about Leo, not counting that in Scenario Campaign Bob talks to Leo and says leave the woman alone to which Leo looks shocked and scared as if to say "How did he figure it out?"

[@DrowsyEliza]

Tekken makes the best female characters. DoA characters are second.

[@gaijincoordinator2922]

Reina and asuka don't look alike at all. Only the facial structure perhaps. Why are people trying to create non existing problems..

[@jasperwilliams9619]

They're miserable and incapable of being happy until everyone shares the same opinion as them.

[@ReOnion]

I don't know if I have a problem but for me in games with realistic graphics every character looks identical outside of clothing and hair Take those away and I would be able to tell If it's a female character or male, but not much else That's why I don't understand the argument "make them more human" cuz I think it's even harder to tell apart characters in Mortal kombat 1 where they look more "human" and also more realistic In a game like Street Fighter or Overwatch, every character has its own silhouette, making them a lot easier to tell apart. And those characters looks way less human. I think going less human overall tends to work better.

[@paradiseb5950]

Well tekken goes for anime look so atleast they could have made them look more diverse.

[@ReOnion]

while I would argue "Anime style" also tends to have a similar problem where so many characters looks the same even across franchises and artists. I am also not sure how much I agree with calling Tekken graphics "anime style". Hairstyles looks Anime for sure but I don't get that vibe from anything else @@paradiseb5950

[@TonyMishima92]

Mortal Kombat 1 scanned the faces of real-life models for their characters. I don't know what you're talking about, but they don't look the same at all.

[@ReOnion]

that explains why they all look the same.@@TonyMishima92

[@TonyMishima92]

@@ReOnion You're trolling.

[@shagaru1234]

People are jealous of pretty women so they dont like tekken

[@VasilKhalimov]

this guy probably went to woke public schools

[@Reinathegoat]

can u stop sexualizing me the characters and play the damn game this is why games are dying because yall complain too much like bro if you want a girl GET YO AZZ UP HIT THE GYM AND GET YOU A REAL WOMAN FOR CHRIST SAKE

[@MrBabyfleet]

It’s just a game. Keep the beauty untouched.

[@spman2099]

Wax figures aren't beautiful, they're creepy. Even if you are one of those weirdos who think every woman in a game needs to beautiful, surely you don't go to the wax museum to pleasure yourself, right?

[@spman2099]

Also, do you have a thing for face paralysis, MrBabyfleet? Do you think it makes women less beautiful when they are able to move the muscles in their faces?

[@MrBabyfleet]

@@spman2099 it’s just a game. The visuals are fine. I don’t need to see skin cracks and wrinkles and shit. Do want that in anime? I doubt it so what’s your point?

[@2BAMaster9]

@@spman2099My guy. Why do you want fictional stylized games to conform to real world conventions?

[@CameronsVideos]

i don't think this is something that needs improvement

[@mazuiface]

That thumbnail is devastating. They gave the new character, who's supposed to be the sister of 53 year old Kazuya, the exact face of another teenage school girl, who also shares the same face with most of the female cast.

[@theProClaimer]

At least they could give her different haircut.

[@mistashadow]

Kazuya's only 50, but still That said, it looks like Reina was born after even Lars (who is apparently 29 or something) as she is pretty much a high school student or something Heihachi, wtf

[@sblbb929]

Check you eyes. They look different to me. But then again i'm not racist and can tell asians apart. You'll get better at it over time, don't worry

[@mazuiface]

@@sblbb929 Sure, that's why Lili even has the same model for her face. All they've done is change the skin and makeup, something I can actually see

[@mooshinu]

@@sblbb929 Cope, Reina is nothing but Asuka who dyed her hair purple gtfo with your BS

[@billahmed4119]

The idea of making female charcters beautiful takes away from the general aesthetic or feeling of the game, as the male and female characters do not look like they belong in the same universe. Plus, not adding any blemishes/ making female faces doll-like causes the graphics to look worse. It would be nice to see some detail, and depth to their faces. Personally, I love Tekken, but I feel it lacks an specific atmoshophere, like all the Tekkens after Tekken 4. Adding that would definetly give some charm back to the game.

[@XenogearsForever]

People are crying and complaining here that female characters aren't "realistic enough". It's literally a videogame taking place in a fantasy made up world. 😂😂

[@Jaroartx]

yeah they just want the Tekken franchise to tank like that garbage of Mortal Kombat for farming content later, Tekken Girls are quite pretty and have different back stories , and fighting styles

[@Manguwu9895]

that doesnt mean I dont want the girls in the game to look good lmfao

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Exactly, so if it's a fantasy then why do all the female characters got to look so similar? There's no reason they can't have a variety of ages and body types

[@gamrage]

At least their backstories aren't randomly retconned like Bridget from Guilty Gear Strive. Also, keep in mind if the developers of Tekken changed the characters in the way the US wants, the JP community would have a riot over it. That happened with the Final Fantasy 7 remake. People hated that Tifa didn't look doll like enough.

[@MatheusPacheco1]

I've been saying this since forever, the female characters all look blend. Moles, birthmarks, scars, face tattoos, different kinds of makeup, there's like a million ways to make their faces more unique

[@Yofu]

Thumbs down simply for the Lucky Chloe and Josie slander. Also "capoeira is a legitimate martial art" made me laugh so hard.

[@SpectralSound.]

100% agree.and not only in tekken,many games have this "perfect wax doll faces".i know they target mostly the teen-young adult audience,but cmon..and while t8 looks way better than t7,the downgrade from the first trailer is soo obvious.

[@ThatBeardedWhiteGuy]

No they don't, they're doing a good job. SF6 making women who look like Brock Lesnar with a wig, that's awful tho.

[@Naoto-kun1085]

Chun-li, Cammy, and Juri look like men?

[@rafaellechugo]

IMO is not a matter of women looking the same in tekken. as a 40yo gay man that spent most of his life playing fighting games, I can say that I rarely saw a hot male character in the genre. that’s because male characters are designed to look tough and act like “bros” and can be wrinkled, can age, be fat and have scars and shit. most female characters are designed by straight game designers for a mayor audience of straight men. and like so, they look mostly like strippers, brides or milfs. i wish not only women would look less sexy so they feel more included in the genre, but also, as a counterpart, more male characters could look hotter, like hot ryu or mk11 kano. 😅

[@matrxzeno4761]

I just want to ask Namco what exactly they did to make that first trailer so graphically beautiful because its odd that they were able to produce such results but seemingly just forgot how to replicate it afterwards?

[@The_Algae]

That one scene in the reveal is part of the Story Mode, that's why. They already confirmed that the story mode will look graphically better than the main gameplay modes.

[@sharontubul2396]

​@@The_Algaegraphics don't change between modes lol. The lighting system in the trailer is fully different, anti-aliasing and render quality as well.

[@fezzy5591]

​@@sharontubul2396That's how the cutscenes will look like in the game

[@sharontubul2396]

@@fezzy5591 time will tell

[@Porr3]

Tekken is primarily a console game so in the end it will always be held back by console specs

[@decadentgamer3108]

The fact that you brought up Mortal Kombat as an example of what it's like to make "ugly" women characters is part of the problem. To paraphrase, I'm not saying YOU specifically said this but I'm talking about the argument in general because for years, people (men) would say that the women in Mortal Kombat look "ugly" when that simply isn't true. The difference between Mortal Kombat's women and the women of Japanese 3D fighting games is that as far as I'm concerned, as far as the newer Mortal Kombat games go, the devs are just trying to make the women look more human and distinct from each other to the highest caliber (more or less). Using the latest MK game at the time of this comment, MK1, the female characters don't look "ugly" to me personally, they are still conventionally pretty designs and they manage to look a lot more varied than the standard pretty face you get in games like Tekken. And that what helps their female characters stand out toe to toe with their male counterparts. I'm not dogging on the women of Tekken but for the sake of the topic, it makes for good conversation about the state of how they're designing female characters and how they lack that extra oomph factor that they could have. I'm especially glad you brought up the aging thing because it's true, they don't allow the women to age at all and it's a complete sexist double standard since the male characters are allowed to do this and have a design that reflects it (Heihachi, Paul, Lei, Steve, etc). This double standard is what really put me off from Lidia because while I love her traditional karate style, they could've easily made her a woman in her mid to late 30s with a design that reflected that but nope, they had to put her in her late 20s and make her look a 21 year old. And then when we could've got Kunimitsu back in action as a mature fighter in her 40s, nope we get her teenage daughter instead. And don't get me started on "Master Raven" (who didn't even get her own name) It's like we're not allowed to have mature aged women and it's what's hurting the diversity of the female cast. I didn't really notice the emotion thing but yeah, they should totally work on that as wel. Stop being afraid of your female character emoting and possibly making an "ugly" face. Women are human just like men, let them emote. At the end of the day, it's nice to see a video talk about this topic and I hope that Tekken gets better when it comes to design female characters. A pretty YOUNG face is a dime a dozen in this game.

[@Zelldic27]

"The devs are trying to make the woman look more distinct" really? they all share the same body model, no muscles, Just like Tekken (without the pretty face). People even used to think that Sindel and Li-mei were related because they looked way too similar.

[@decadentgamer3108]

@@Zelldic27 When I was talking about distinct, I was talking more about their faces. Like at least with the third revival of the series that started with MK9 leading into MKX and MK11, the female character faces didn't look all that similar. Sure maybe the bodies may have looked too similar with the exception of Sheva (whom is arguably the most diverse looking in comparison) but facially, you can say that they didn't look similar.

[@mogucentral3820]

there is only one reason....Namco is only recycling things and don't have enough resources to improve..just a quick example is on Azucena's win pose vs Deejay's. Deejay shows how he signs the camera while with Azucena, the part where she signs the camera is skipped. That victory scene shows how much Capcom puts effort on the game unlike Namco.

[@mogucentral3820]

@MarcelGomez-pi2lm try to watch it again and compare it to Deejay..while she's writing her signature there is a part where the camera goes to her face then after that she finishes her signature while on Deejay, the whole scene shows how he writes his signature in the camera..that's the difference that I'm talking about. Namco can't animate the whole writing scene

[@Senumunu]

yea dude. 12 moves and some whacky cutscenes compared to 120 moves, multiple cutscenes, cg character endings, multiple costumes and main story integration. Capcom is indeed showing them how its done ! what a clown you are.

[@ayoonine]

Zafina is the only female character that looks next gen, everything other character that is women has no aging detail or emote properly.

[@ego3162]

I 100% agree with everything you said, it shocks me how they obviously blown a lot of money in the new models but this problem still persists

[@Kickinthescience]

So MK much better at female character faces?

[@The_Algae]

​@@KickinthescienceThey have their own respective issues. I don't think it's faur to compare them.

[@Kickinthescience]

@@The_Algae I’m just talking about the female characters showing more emotion in MK and having more diverse faces

[@since2133]

@@Kickinthescienceyes they are better when it comes to facial expressions however the characters look a lot alike and share the same slim body. For this generation, both are bad. It’s a downgrade after T6 because Nina had abs, Anna was curvy, Christie & Julia had thick thighs…. etc. Every model was built differently from the start. And btw even most male characters share the same body in Tag2, 7 & 8.

[@Kickinthescience]

@@since2133 slim body but the costumes are way different for the MK female characters

[@LorienzoDeGarcia]

To me, PERSONALLY, looks-wise, how do I say this kindly: ALL THE GIRLS LOOK THE DAMNED SAME. They just made them look pretty in the "Asian standard" with pretty much the same body type and face and that's about it. They have nothing much that stand out against each other. It's almost like they're just standing there, looking pretty with a Botox-ed face with no personal quirks or movements. I can literally not remember a single lady character except for maybe that sister of Jin's because SHE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO LOOKS DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE'S A KID and actually has expressions and was energetic enough that I remember her. And Jin's mother looks so young she could be his girlfriend. Just, the lack of adventure and risk they are taking with their female characters is just so disappointing to me. The only characters I could remember from Tekken in recent times though, is the pure gold that is Dragunov. He is so serious yet so goofy. Their women are so bland that I might just go gamer-gay and simp for Dragunov for real. Like Tekken, get it together lol.

[@led-0185]

They're all pretty and that's the only thing that matters to me.

[@UnlimitedGameZone1]

Ah yes.. Putting a trans swimmer when talking about female ones, you think we didn't notice that? xD Then.. Saying than female character in tekken franchise are roughly all similar is a blunt lie and all are really memorable specially by their personality and fighting style (except counter sex parts), is true that mostly have porcelain faces however is really that bad? You have to understand who you are trying to appeal here, remember that is still a game and his fanbase for most part is male who like certain aspect instead of other, making in other way will results just in being an unpopular choice and possibly escalate in some protest that no one want.. This fact is valid for pretty much any games and not only by male player but also female ones, want or not the female figure have taken the beauty part really seriously for thousands of years (at least who want to be popular and appealing) and projecting ourself with some outstanding figure is part of our human nature, games are the peak of this incarnation.

[@afrikasmith1049]

This topic got me thinking about Naruto and depending on who you ask, how female characters aren't well written in the series. Take Sakura and Hinata for example. Sakura gets a lot of hate because of her love for Sasuke despite of everything he's done and the way they hook up was kind of stupid to some anime fans. Hinata on the other hand was not properly paired up with Naruto. There was no strong interaction or relationship build up after the the Pain ark. But here's the funny thing about Kishimoto. He isn't single and he even has a child if I'm not mistaken. He just doesn't much time to spend with his family because of his work. There's also another character who got little screen time. Here name is TenTen. Originally she was supposed to be paired up with Rock Lee then separate after they had Metal Lee, but someone in higher-ups didn't want that because talking about divorce in Japan is kinda taboo. And when it comes to conservatism in Japan they have a very strong patriarchal value compared to the West. Now to be clear I'm not condemning or praising at all because every country, culture and history has its strengths and flaws. Take a long look at American history for example. I can't really blame you for strongly disagreeing with me because there are plenty of Mangas and Animes with well written female characters. It's just depends on the writers and who they work for. And if you're going to work for certain companies that makes fighting games you have consider fan service as a main priority before you think about character development. So I think when it comes to female characters in Tekken it's..... A: The writers with time constraints. B: The higher ups giving less freedom to writers. C: Generally high demand for fan service with less criticism.

[@AlexRFightgames]

Mostly agree, but one thing I really disagree with here is the complaints about Chloe's rhythm game mechanic -- I think that's *brilliant* and fun. From a game design perspective, her little rhythm games are a super nice touch.

[@MrBabyfleet]

Stop rocking the boat.