Does the Eucharist Contradict John 16:7?

Karlo Broussard tackles the intriguing question of how Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit's coming aligns with His presence in the Eucharist. Discover the distinction between Jesus' visible presence and His sacramental presence in the Eucharist. Uncover the pivotal role of the Holy Spirit in transforming the bread and wine during Mass, as well as in guiding and strengthening the Church and individuals in their faith.
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[@Hoosie_]

Excellent question and excellent response! Caller, if you see this comment, know that you are in my prayers. I recently converted from protestantism and had many questions like these. From the outside looking in, catholicism can be overwhelming and difficult to understand, especially when you bring in tons of baggage from protestantism like I did. But from the inside looking out, its amazing! I never would have believed I could have such a rich and deep faith this side of heaven. All of the things that the Church teaches are meant to orient and order our lives - body, mind, and soul, toward the truine God, and we have so many amazing means to do that.

[@IAmJeka]

Thank you! My name is Jessica. Pray for me please :)

[@Hoosie_]

@@IAmJeka I have and will continue!

[@fre7717]

this is a correct interpretation, as Jesus also said in Matthew 28:20: "teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” - Matthew 28:20

[@tarminas6805]

Matthew 28:20 ...and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you [which includes 'do this in remembrance of Me']. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

[@storm1727]

@tarminas6805 Yeah in the context Jesus was speaking to his disciples, no one else Also he didn't command his 12 disciples to teach that after his death n resurrection Paul didn't teach that either The church made that as part of their traditions, but again Jesus didn't say or teach that all has to do that

[@tarminas6805]

@@storm1727 Not so. Jesus is commanding them to go teach all these things to all the nations. I was emphasizing verse 20 but here's the full verse 19 for context; [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you." He's literally telling them to batize all people's and teach them to obey all His commandments. He follows that with 'remember I am with you always' thus indicating that while He is ascending to the Father, He will be with them always. a clear nod to His previous teaching that He will abide with those who eat His flesh and drink His blood, that He was so explicit about building up to and during the Last Supper. I can understand people struggling to understand certain parts of the Bible, but Jesus could not have been any more succinct, literal and clear about the Eucharist and its literal meaning.

[@warren6395]

@@storm1727 That makes no sense. Why would Jesus NOT expect His teachings to continue long after His Resurrection? And how would those teachings be passed along? By a church that is Apostolic ... And how would that be taught to people who were mostly illiterate? By Tradition and word of mouth... And since it's hard to get word to someone when you're in jail or very far away - the next best thing is to send letters... Sounding familiar?

[@storm1727]

@warren6395 Didn't say that Jesus didn't want his teachings to continue Jesus taught his disciples n his disciples went out teaching, they even had disciples who learned under them like polycarp who followed n learned from John etc stc They are who we call the early church fathers The point was that whatever Jesus taught his disciples including Paul That is what they had to teach through letters or by mouth through traditions Now as far as traditions are concerned the disciples, Paul They didn't create any traditions that wasn't taught to them by Jesus Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus tell command his disciples to teach any traditions that they thought was good to create So in the Bible there isn't a single verse where Jesus himself created or carried a rosary, nor his disciples or Paul So that was a tradition made up by the Roman catholic church Also during the last supper when you read the chapter, Jesus is specifically with his 12 disciples n he is going to tell them what is going to happen to him n who was going to betray him, this was a foreshadowing, a prophecy that was going to happen, so Jesus is giving a metaphor he breaks bread n hand so them to all 12 ,gives them all wine He explains this is my body which will be broken n the wine which is his blood that was needed for the atonement for our sins Now when you read the entire context he tells his 12. Disciples to remember me when you do this Now what you don't see is Jesus telling them or saying this is a command n that everyone has to do this, Jesus didn't sat make it as part of our traditions Also Jesus is the bread of life, the living water He didn't sat in the context that eating bread n drinking wine that you are literally or spiritually eating Jesus because his spirit in literally in the bread n wine The bread n wine was symbolic representation of his body n blood A foreshadowing of what was going to happen to him on the cross Catholic tradition used the last supper n made it a universal tradition, the eucharistic n say that churches must do this tradition because by eating bread n drinking wine that somehow Jesus is actually in them Another tradition created by the Catholics:praying to Mary n saints No verse shows that, Jesus didn't teach that nor his disciples When he says pray for the saints or pray for 1 another he was saying to pray for the living saints, believers are referred to as Saints The disciples prayed for 1 another They prayed for saints who went out teaching they were alive So show me 2 or 3 verse because you need 2 or 3 witnesses to verify that it's true So where did Jesus, his disciples n Paul prayed for for physically dead saints ? WHERE did Jesus command to pray for marry or dead saints in heaven? Where did Jesus say that there are other mediators in heaven who intercede your prayers? Jesus specifically said I am the only mediator between God n man, Where did Jesus say, command, teach that you have to go directly to a priest pastor bishop to confess your sins? That was part of the jews laws n customs but when Jesus died n the vail torn in half in the temple, it says that we now have access directly with God, so we can ask him directly for forgiveness, we can confess our sins directly We don't have to go to anyone to confess n ask for forgiveness like it was done in the old testament with the jews But leave it to the Catholics to keep it as part of there traditions Now show me in the old new testament where God commands n taught Israel that they must build statues, kneel in front of them n pray to me? Where did Jesus teach say command his disciples, Paul to go out an build statues, carvings drawings paintings, kneel to them pray in front of them, build my church n have all kinds of statues carvings paintings because this is how I want my church to look like n how I want to be worshiped n remembered? I can go on on with more traditions that Jesus the disciples Paul never taught

[@tarminas6805]

​@@storm1727 Matthew 18:18 'Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[ bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.' Clearly he trusts the disciples to carry out the affairs of the Church as they see fit. I see no prohibition on whether that be teachings, traditions or settling disputes - the apostles of Christ's new Church have authority, (' you bind on earth'). Prayer beads have been used since the Desert Fathers used them as prayer/meditation aids in the 3rd and 4th centuries, but the Rosary began when St. Dominic, a Spanish priest, traveled into France preaching against the Albigensian heresy, (which taught that only the spiritual is good, and that everything material is bad. Therefore, the body in and of itself is evil, and every person’s soul is imprisoned in that evil body. The only way in which a person could experience salvation was to be freed from the imprisonment of their flesh). But his efforts gained few conversions and even fewer followers. In 1208, he went into a forest near Toulouse, France to pray, asking God to provide what he needed in order to overcome the Albigensian heresy. Ancient accounts tell us that, after three days of prayer and fasting, three angels appeared in the sky along with a ball of fire. When they disappeared, the Virgin Mary spoke, telling the priest that he must preach her Psalter in order to succeed in his struggle to overcome the Albigensians. Mary revealed to St. Dominic which mysteries should be preached to correspond to the Psalter prayers: stories of Christ’s life which directly contradicted the heresy of the Albigensians by focusing on the incarnation, death, and triumphant resurrection of Jesus Christ. Regarding the Eucharist; Jesus couldn't have been anymore literal or direct in His teaching about His body and blood being food drink; John 6:55 'For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.' He also said this IS my body and this IS my blood, not this represents, or is symbolic of my body and blood - He is saying that He is the new manna from Heaven and we must partake in it, spiritually and physically. He was teaching this in the synagogues and countryside leading up to the Last Supper where He was again very explicit that this Eucharist (Greek - thanksgiving) should be carried out in remembrance of Him, and don't forget that Jesus instructed them to teach all the nations ALL that He had taught them, He did not say 'oh and by the way, this bread and wine business is just for you guys OK - tell no one else', even though He had been preaching it openly beforehand. If He wanted to just use a metaphor for death and resurrection, He could have just gone with the 'I will destroy the temple and build it up again in 3 days' motif. Regarding prayers of intercession to Our Lady and the saints in Heaven, the Bible is replete with examples. But note that intercession latin for 'between, i go' (greek for one who restores peace/friendship or ratifies a covenant, for Jesus mediated the New Covenant between God and man. Remember Mark 12:27 "Now about the dead rising-have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” This is proved when Jesus' heavenly nature is revealed in Matthew 17 and He can be seen conversing with Moses and Elijah who appear as a bright cloud from Heaven envelopes them before the Lord God speaks. So clearly Heaven is for the living and the living saints therein can be asked for intercessory prayer to God just as you and I can pray for each other to God (I will pray for you and ask that you pray also for me). In further support of intercessory prayers to Saints and Angels in Heaven; Those in Heaven surround us as a “great cloud of witnesses” (Heb. 12:1), and the book of Revelation teaches that the prayers they offer for us “saints” is an integral part of the eternal worship given to God; Revelation 8:1 'Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand.' The Archangel Gabriel honoured Our Lady in Luke 1; When he greeted her, “Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28). When Mary visited Elizabeth, Elizabeth exclaimed, “Of all women you are the most blessed, and blessed is the fruit of your womb” (Luke 1:41-42). Later on Our Lady herself foretold how she would be honoured (not worshipped); And Mary said: 'My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; '. (Luke 1:46-48) Our Lady is clearly referenced as the Woman battling the dragon in Revelation 12; A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron sceptre.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. On priests; First Peter 2:5-9 tells us, “Like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. . . . But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people.” The fact that all baptized Christians are referred to as priests in the New Testament necessarily means it is not a contradiction to say that Christ is our unique priest/mediator/intercessor while affirming the biblical truth that Christians can act as priests/mediators/intercessors as well. This passage is a reference to Exodus 19:6: “and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” This text indicates a universal priesthood in the Old Covenant. Yet in that same chapter, verse 22, it says: “And also let the priests who come near to the Lord consecrate themselves.” Clearly there was a universal priesthood in existence in the Old Covenant, but this did not exclude the possibility of a distinct ministerial priesthood as well. On confession John 21 gives clear evidence that Christ has given His apostles authority though the Holy Spirit to forgive sins: John 21: Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” Tell me where in the Bible I have to provide 3 sources to verify something biblical? - the 3 witnesses you refer to is specific to disputes between members of the Church in Matthew 18, so this is not applicable to scriptural passages. The reason I responded to your long comment against the Catholic faith with a long reply of my own is because I felt compelled to defend it, but if you really have questions and are not just interested in attacking the faith then I suggest visiting Catholic Answers as they have an excellent resource for these commonly asked questions. Peace be with you and God bless

[@janektarnogrocki2898]

People can doubt the words, but they cannot doubt the scientific evidence. Eucharistic miracles

[@deutschermichel5807]

The words of Jesus are the very reason we believe though

[@Raycurlee23]

Is it not possible for someone other than god to show signs and wonders ? Maybe even a so called miracle ?

[@janektarnogrocki2898]

Before you make any assumptions I recommend reading about Eucharistic Miracles, you can learn some interesting things. It usually happened to priests who had doubts

[@deutschermichel5807]

@@Raycurlee23 that's what the new miracle evaluation guidelines from the Vatican are for :)

[@user-dw7sh7gc6x]

Thank You Holy Spirit for guiding us in this valley of tears. In Jesus name. Amen 🙏 ✝️

[@jd3jefferson556]

Doesnt Christ also say that He will always be with us at the end of Mathew?

[@1122bigblue]

That's a great additional point that can be made against such an argument :).

[@irritated888]

"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them." Mathew 18:20

[@Waterwine77777]

The Catholic faith is beautiful

[@BensWorkshop]

Many thanks.

[@dashriprock5720]

Mary, if you are reading the comments 8 hours later. I was raised Catholic, not a strict Catholic, but Catholic. When I was young my brother came back from the military after being stationed down South a Baptist. He influenced a lot of protestant thinking in me, but I was never a devoted Christian until about 1 1/2 years ago. I began studying scriptures and reading through cover to cover. I thought I would become a protestant when this started, but I'm finding the apostolic church in the bible, and yes including the King James as well, which I read through three times. One of the things I struggled with is the eucharist. I've read the earliest church fathers, and everything in scripture that might be related. This is the conclusion I reached and my parish priest approves of my view in that he's ok with me thinking this way. The eucharist is a true mystery that we will never fully understand it in this life. it is not just a memorial, it is spiritually significant. What we understand about it is not as important as following the command that Christ gave.."Do this". We should partake and partake often and with the body of the church as it brings the body together in communion together. God bless.

[@xthinker88]

It should not be a surprise that the Holy Spirit is an active agent in bringing about the miracle of the real presence of Jesus in the apparent bread and wine. The Holy Spirit was an active agent in the Incarnation to begin with as Jesus was conceived by Mary via the Holy Spirit. So His physical presence at conception was brought about as a miracle of the Holy Spirit. It makes perfect sense that His physical presence in the Eucharist would be brought about by a miracle of the Holy Spirit.

[@georgeabhayoic]

Well answered. Bravo

[@hotspot930]

Excellent response!

[@dannisivoccia2712]

Anyone who is following Jesus by faith, and obedient to His word, and been baptized in the Holy Spirit, experiences His presence in ALL things pertaining to His kingdom. We experience His presence when two or three are gathered in His name, in worship and praise, in prayer, in being led by the Holy Spirit, in obedience to His word, in sharing the Gospel to the lost, in sacrificial giving, in each of the spiritual gifts given to the church, and in the partaking of the elements of the Lord's table. If His presence is confined to only the partaking of the elements of His table, God is surely tugging at our hearts saying, "In the rest of your walk with Me, you need more of My presence."

[@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot]

❤

[@donthephoneman7084]

John 4:23 Jesus said “True worshippers, Worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for such seeks the Father to Worship Him.

[@storm1727]

The last supper was done with the 12 disciples, where in that chapter or where did Paul say teach that it was a command

[@bibleman8010]

do this in remembrance of me 1 Corinthians 11 :20-34 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. The Sacrifice of God is past, present and future! It is eternal because it is outside of space and time. The sacrifice by Christ dying and suffering was done in space and time 2000 years ago, when Christ (God) chose to became man (incarnate), this is when He went inside space and time. The holy sacrifice of the Mass is a "sacrifice" being presented to us again on a daily basis, and this sacrifice is outside space and time in a mystical and spiritual way because God is not limited in space and time, EVERYTHING TO HIM is an eternal event, and this is the only sacrifice pleasing to God The Father. Why do you think St. Paul was instructing the Corinthians about The Eucharist if it is not an eternal sacrifice or just a mere "symbol". (1 Corinthians 11:27), Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. - And this was after Christ's Ascension.

[@john-paulgies4313]

Jesus sent the Holy Ghost by His Death. "And on the last, and great day of the festivity, Jesus stood and cried, saying: If any man thirst, let him come to me and drink. He that believeth in me, as the scripture saith: Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Now this he said of the Spirit which they should receive who believed in him: for as yet the Spirit was not given, because Jesus was _not yet glorified."_ (John 7:37-39) (emphasis added) "Before the festival day of the pasch, Jesus knowing that _his hour was come,_ that he should _pass out of this world to the Father:_ having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them unto the end." (John 13:1) "But I told you not these things from the beginning, because I was with you. And now _I go to him that sent me,_ and none of you asketh me: Whither goest thou? But because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow hath filled your heart. But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go. For if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you: but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will convince the world of sin and of justice and of judgment. Of sin: because they believed not in me. And of justice: because _I go to the Father:_ and you shall see me no longer...." (John 16:5-10) (emphasis added)

[@john-paulgies4313]

And in the same breath in which He promises the new Paraclete... "If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever: The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you." (John 14:15-17) ...He also promises: "I will not leave you orphans: I will come to you." (v. 18)

[@nickk4851]

Both and

[@daffidavit]

Why worship a Triune God, so all three persons are present even when we believe only one is present IMHO.

[@shortstopmotions]

Three Devine beings working for one common goal =the salvation of humanity. God is the creator, Jesus the Savior, and the Holy Spirit is what brings closer to God

[@_ROMANS_116]

SHE on to the truth. You folks confused. She is not.

[@garyandrew3914]

Nope this is 100% incorrect!

[@windyday8598]

jesus leaves and sends the holy spirit, the spirit of truth, the comforter, the teacher. yes, christ in you, 24/7, you are complete, lacking nothing. jesus does not dwell in temples, church buildings, nor in bread, nor any created thing. he said, if any one says to you look here or look there, or he is in the secret chambers do not believe them for as the lightening flashes......jesus came once for sin, and he will come once again for salvation. he will be revealed from heaven and every eye will see him. the gift of the holy spirit indwelling the believer, "christ in you", is the full presence of christ, in you, by his spirit. "if anyone does not have the spirit of christ in them, they do not belong to him". read the word, then no one can lead you into crazy idolatrous error. the emperors new clothes. hilarious. go figure.

[@frekigeri4317]

Christ is in Protestants but their divorce rate is 52%? Sure

[@georgepierson4920]

You said that Christ does not dwell in anything created, yet, we are created in his image and likeness.

[@windyday8598]

@@georgepierson4920 God does not dwell in anything created by man, made with our hands. duh. christ lives in us by his spirit 24/7, don't need to go anywhere, nor to any man to receive the gift of the holy spirit. "you are complete in him". lacking nothing. "christ the power of God". your eucharist facination seems to negate the real "presence"., that is promised in the gospel, and the gospel is the power of God to save those who believe. all throughout old and new testament scripture eating, food, meat, and drinking, hunger and thirst are metaphors for the Word of God and the Spirit. the majority of those people in john 6 were carnal minded. jesus said so. "the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned". the Spirit gives life, the flesh profits nothing. the words i speak to you are spirit and they are life. try reading john 6 from verse 26 to the end. pay close attention to every word. he is tweeking their carnal minds. the subject is "BELIEVE" in me. he who comes to me will never hunger, he who believes in me will never thirst. God's will> everyone who sees the son and believes in him may have everlasting life.... believe, and keep on believing. abide in christ, the vine. know for certain that you are the temple of God. *ephesians 2:19-22*

[@storm1727]

Jesus never taught, said that when you pray that spiritually he goes into the bread n wine This Is the problem with dumb man made traditions

[@bridgefin]

He never said that he "goes into the bread and wine". He transforms bread and wine into his body and blood.

[@storm1727]

@bridgefin Textt don't teach that it was literal It was a foreshadowing of what going to happen to him

[@reinhardfuchs5181]

The exciting presence of the Holy Spirit can be experienced but has NOTHING to do with the Eucharist which is a religios invention.

[@mariamartins5796]

At last supper Jesus took the bread and said this is my body take and eat ,and took the cup and said take and drink, this is the blood for the new and eternal covenant wich is being poured for you and for many for the remission of sin. Do this in memory of me. Here is the institution of Eucharist. Jesus gave himself to his Apostles, the new priests for God's new covenant. You need to learn how to read the bible.

[@frekigeri4317]

The “exciting” presence of the “Holy Spirit” might just be something other than the holy sprit, like some demonic spirit. The Eucharist isn’t an “invention”

[@storm1727]

Eating the eucharist does absolutely nothing for salvation, people must be complete morons if they think they are Eating drinking Jesus No verse says that The bread n wine was an allegory of what was going to happen to Jesus, it was a foreshadowing

[@_ROMANS_116]

Yep, he told em how he was speaking! The flesh profiteth nothing. The words I speak to you are ????? The words are speak to you are not catholic made up little g god deception! Little g proud of the RCC -thats his organization

[@storm1727]

@@_ROMANS_116 Idiots thinking believing that eating bread that Jesus spirit or something is actually in the bread 😆

[@georgepierson4920]

So, you do not believe what Jesus said for the sake of your master.

[@_ROMANS_116]

@@georgepierson4920 do you also follow the 10 commandments to attain salvation as the false church teaches?

[@storm1727]

@georgepierson4920 No verse shows or says that Jesus told the disciples to teach that nonsense called the eucharistic In the last supper you see Jesus talking specifically to his 12 disciples he then gives an allegory referring to the bread n wine Everyone knows that Jesus is the bread of life, the manna from heaven In the passage he is showing his disciples the bread that he breaks is his body the wine is the blood that he will shed for our sins The last supper is a foreshadowing of what was going to happen to Jesus Notice in the context without adding ideology or stupid theology Jesus never told his disciples to go n teach people to do or follow the eating n drinking as part of salvation Jesus never instructed them to teach that What he did say was to go an make disciples which are just believers n baptize in the name of the father son holy spirit That's all that the context says Jesus said to the 12 disciples who were there to remember him when they do this, get it he said when they do this So in that context you don't see anything about do know eucharistic, it doesn't say it was a command for all Jesus never said that eating bread n drinking wine that you are literally or spiritually eat his flesh n drinking his blood Catholics explain it that way because it's based on their traditions n beliefs but they add those ideologies into scriptures instead of just reading it n accepting what it says

[@rbnmnt3341]

The eucharist contradicts Jesus and the Apostles. It's totally foreign to them. There is no recorded account that any of them ever taught transubstantiation. NOWHERE! But as usual, the church has done a good job of selling it. And as usual, attaching anathemas to all the teaching.

[@GranMaese]

Said no one educated in Church history, ever.

[@burt2894]

Nowhere in the Bible is the word trinity, or is it taught in the Bible. Congrats you have successfully dissolved the trinity with your mindset. The principles are there, and when the principles are there you coin a name for it, boom transubstantiation.

[@rbnmnt3341]

@@burt2894 that is the weakest argument. You know that transubstantiation hoax, hocus pocus is not taught and that Jesus or none of the apostles EVER believed taught or practiced it. It was foreign to them. Can you explain what the word "Godhead" means? And is it in the bible? Boom trinity.

[@burt2894]

@@rbnmnt3341 go on tell me more about the principles being in the Bible... Just like transubstantiation... I gave a simple explanation for a simple reason, because it's simple.

[@burt2894]

@@rbnmnt3341 straight from Google, Godhead doesn't mean trinity... The word "Godhead" does not mean "trinity", but simply "Godhood", which is the nature of God, God as He has revealed Himself.