Does The Shape of Your Nose Matter? .380 FMJ Flat vs Round Nose Ballistic Gel Test! M&P .380 EZ

Does the shape of an FMJ effect penetration distance? Testing with the Smith & Wesson M&P Performance Center Shield EZ! Is there really a difference or should you just use whatever you can find during the ammo shortage?
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[@leederby136]

It seems like the flat nose performed better. I think .380 is just fine for self defense, which is what I carry🙂Thanks for the tests!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out! I have a few other really nice .380 rounds still to test.👍

[@joehelvey5794]

I will say this, every Wednesday evening I gather with a few of my buddies to shoot bowling pins. If you’ve never shot a pin before, they are extremely hard to knock over with a handgun from 10 yds. I ran some Winchester active duty flat nose 115 grains that are +p+ rated at over 1330 fps! There was no question the flat nose round absolutely 1000% hit harder than other round ball rounds. Good stuff as always on this channel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good info. The guy who owns the bowling alley near me actually offered me some used bowling pins to use as targets but I haven't had a chance to go by and get em yet. Appreciate ya brother!

[@TerminalM193]

Careful shooting that ammunition. +p+ RAPIDLY ages and warps barrels.

[@Subtlenimbus]

Of course a +p+ will hit harder than standard pressure ball round.

[@normanMcCall-n2e]

I use flat nose handgun ammo for hunting, because it penetrates deeper. I have my own range with all the equipment. When I test penetration, a flat nose bullet doesn't wabble back and forth as much as a round nose bullet, it keeps stabilizing itself off the flat nose. A round nose wabbles back and forth, actually making a little wider wound channel and causing it to slow down faster and penetrate less. I hope this of help. Have a great day people!!

[@thatsmytwocents4372]

Tools, everytime i come up with a new question, you have already done a video on it. I sincerely don’t know how you think of so many topics to make videos about. When i search on a new question, guess who’s videos pop up to answer my question; yours without exception !!! Unbelievable !!! Brother, you amaze me !!! Wish we could make you a 10,000,000 viewer channel. GOD BLESS TOOLS !!! That’s My Two Cents

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that! I don't know if I'll be alive long enough for 10 million.😆

[@toddsautoinnovations8907]

DUDE!!! I swear I was just about to comment the same thing!

[@dalesearcy5734]

I use Flat Nose .380 in my EDC .LCP Max. Most Defense rounds don't mushroom in the short barrel. What is interesting is that through the many gel tests that I have watched from different You Tube Posters, the results vary a lot. Talking about flat nose .380 only, I see videos where the rounds only penetrate about 12". Other videos show the flat nose rounds exiting both blocks. I know that there are a lot of variables when testing with ballistic gel, but in the end, I will take over penetration over under penetration. Thank you for your testing. Your results help me to feel good about using flat nose .380 ammo in my LCP Max, for EDC.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think it's a great choice.😎👍

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

The penetration and bone breaking ability of the Flat Nose Round Point projectile has been long studied and developed for over 100yrs. There is a reason that Elmer Keith chose the flat nose round point as his final design after shooting thousands upon thousands of rounds over decades. He blew up 2 guns and developed the 44cal so well he got Smith to finally build a stronger pistol and more powerful round as the 44 mag. His bullet molds are still prized today as the best 44 mag hunting round FNRP bullets.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@douglasmanning-c7p]

I think what is happening is that the round nose bullet is tail heavy and the flat point has a better center of gravity (so it's more balanced). When the bullet hits and slows down the tail end tries to swing around. An interesting test is to shoot through say a foot of jelly and chrono the bullet both before and after the block. This will show you the energy transfer. I think your range radar would let you do it in one shot. Good luck on it and as always you a great show. I always learn a lot from you.

[@tedcollins4684]

I carry 100gr, flat nose fmj in .380.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Perfect choice in my opinion.😎👍

[@kenhutcherson5639]

@@ToolsandTargets I carry those 100 grain sig flat nose fmj’s as well. Penetration aside, I love having a round I can practice with and carry. You have reliability equity built up and you know exactly where they print. The switch to hollow points can sometimes make you think you are using a completely different pistol when considering POA/POI and the change in recoil characteristics.

[@jstud999]

I’ve always heard that flat nose rounds do a good bit of damage unlike traditional ball rounds

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here. There definitely seems to be a difference.👍

[@bubbatime]

I've studied ballistics for years and my data shows that FMJ round nose 380 95 grain is much more likely to tumble than flat nose 380, with a better wound track to boot.

[@jstud999]

@@bubbatime what data are you looking at? Everything I can find is the exact opposite of what your claiming.

[@taasch2505]

Flat nose are more likely to give misfeeds. For the very little significant difference I would choose a fmj round nose not loaded as hot. It will more likely tumble over hotter fmj but also be more likely to feed unlike flat nose

[@chuckhaggard1584]

@@taasch2505 I haven't noted that FMJ FN is less reliable than RN

[@jeffray6197]

I have to tell you, again brother, I love your videos as they are very informative but the best part that always sells me, is your ability to laugh at yourself! Lifetime subscriber and keep ‘em coming my friend! I’ll be certainly recommending your channel to a lot of my other current and retired LEO friends for sure!!🇺🇸💙👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that bigtime brother. You gotta be able to have fun or it aint no fun!

[@jeffray6197]

@@ToolsandTargets Exactly!! Talk to you soon my friend!!👍🏻

[@michaelnesmith7069]

Yes, it's nice to see you fire multiple shots since there is a variation between shots. Looks like the flatnose went a little further. However you need a new block. Would be nice to see the 9mm test as well. Good job!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely gonna do this test with 9mm. Appreciate you brother!

[@xringarcher1440]

Just seeing these old videos of yours bro, your new releases are worlds better as far as quality and overall presentation. Amazing how far you’ve come!

[@dmaxwell314]

For self defense ill use the flat nose for more damage. I was shot a few years ago with 9mm or 380 (idk) in my ankle long ways complete pass through (I believe it was round nose). Had it been hp or flat nose with its wider cavity, i dont think i would be walking. Love the videos Tools‼️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that brother. Glad you came out of it ok!😎👊

[@mattjaxdad8693]

At 5:32 you can see all 3 of the Ammo Inc FMJ tracks are almost identical through the first gel block. That gives us usable information that a minimum of 16 inches of penetration plus a fairly normal FMJ wound track can be expected. A good predictable FMJ round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely.👍

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

Aside from penetration and what happens down range, I have noticed a difference personally even before the weapon fires between the two types of cartridges. (bullet shapes) I have a Smith & Wesson .380 M&P Bodyguard and the flat nose bullet chambers flawlessly compared to the round nosed bullet. As the cartridge moves forward into the barrel, the round nosed bullet (as it hits the feed ramp on the chamber) doesn't chamber properly resulting in a jam. However, the flat nosed bullet (cartridge) chambers every time. My findings are of my own weapon and ammunition that I have used. These findings do not necessarily reflect what other people with the same pistol will encounter. All I can say is I made the change to flat nosed bullets and I haven't had any issues whatsoever. At the end of the day when I pull the trigger, the pistol works!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@davidmickles5012]

That's interesting. Usually it's the round nose that feed better, and the flat nose gets hung up on the feed ramp.

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

@@davidmickles5012 Yea I can't explain it but

[@davidmickles5012]

@@ArizonaGunsDave , Just my advice (you may already know but..) fire that gun for 400 to 500 rounds before you conclude it's an ammo issue. I Bought a brand new G3c and the first 50 rounds were a nightmare of jams. I switched ammo and kept firing it for the next few days up to 500+ rounds and now the gun will run on any ammo. The issue (I discovered in this case) was the fact that Taurus saves money in one way by not spending much time on "finishing" the sharp edges and burrs. After running the gun for 500 rounds, the sharp edges and burrs on the feed ramp and chamber became slightly polished enough to eliminate the problems. Break in periods are a must, especially on these "buget" guns.

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

@@davidmickles5012 I put well over 1000 rounds through it without a single misfire.

[@funwithballistics1016]

Flat nosed bullets outperformed round nosed bullets during the Strasbourg tests. Great video btw 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@patriciastauffer3278]

The .380 is barely fast enough to expand hollow points, so you just don't see a huge difference in wound channels when comparing flat nose to round nose. It was interesting to see the difference in penetration. I think you will see more effect and difference in wound channels between these bullet styles with a faster cartridge. Like a 9mm or a .357 mag. Thank you for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thanks for checking out the video! Definitely looking forward to seeing how the 9mm acts on this test.😎👍

[@patriciastauffer3278]

@@ToolsandTargets Thank you for your quick reply.

[@lorenray9479]

Flat or hollow point airgun pellets in a high velocity airgun have much better stopping ability in possom than round nose pellets. Pointed are shockless unless bones are hit. At 800 vel the tip shape matters.

[@andywilson8698]

I think the only reason people ask for multiple shots is to show consistency. If your shooting hollow points and only 40% open then that might not be the best ammo for self defense. And if you only shot once you won't really be able to tell how consistent a round is . But again gel blocks cost time and money ,and we appreciate any and all the work you do .you are doing a great job !!! Keep up the great work tool !!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that brother!😎👊

[@Desperado3248]

What you should do is avoid the pitfall of the one shot stop. Fire multiple rounds quickly and in close proximity. Shocking power increases geometrically. IE 3shots equal 6 times the shocking power of 1.look at the gel and wound channel as well as measure impact force

[@kchiloquin5570]

The flat cut nose seems like it keeps it strait. Folks always say that 380 is too weak. But looks great to me. 380 seems to be a great round. Not too fancy but just good enough.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep👍

[@Gieszkanne]

To weak for what if even 22lr can kill? That is obvious bullshit.

[@coffeecanfarms]

I don't carry it, but I offer everyone who makes fun of my .25 acp the opportunity for me to shoot them and let me know how it feels. Not a single person has taken me up

[@TTime685]

That's like saying a brick is more stable than a ball flying through the air..

[@steveb6103]

Sig could be using a faster burning powder. When I tested my reloads the powder makes a world of difference.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely. That little bit of speed could be the difference.👍

[@dmaxwell314]

Thats why i like fmj in 95 grain 380 unless its hard cast.

[@yourmomma2995]

well they got the same velocities.

[@professorpewpuew]

That's a question everyone asks but nobody bothered to test... until now. I prefer flatnosed FMJ in my 380s and semi-wadcutters in 38 Special. I tested the latter against round nosed bullets and there is a uniform amount of damage with flat rounds vs wound tracts that downright disappear at times with round nosed ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's definitely interesting to see what happens with these different rounds. Now I'm anxious to do this same comparison with 9mm and see if the results are similar. Appreciate you checkin it out!😎

[@scottphipps3577]

Do you worry about overpenetration at all? I carry a 380. Fmj in Montana where there is a chance of running into things like black bear near green boxes. Definitely not ideal, but in my mind an fmj is the way to go for a wider variety of threats.

[@chuckhaggard1584]

"Nobody bothered to test"? Seriously? Your lack of knowledge doesn't mean it's never been done. This sort of thing has been studied for over a hundred years. You've obviously never heard of Elmer Keith, or Dr Martin Fackler.

[@professorpewpuew]

@@chuckhaggard1584 I should have clarified that it was not seriously tested in this format. I have read Keith and Fackler but it is good to see a KZbin video on the topic for a general audience.

[@lestergillis8171]

​@@chuckhaggard1584I've read about The Late Great Elmo Keith. I've not heard of Fackler.

[@josephboisvert2030]

Damn Tools, If I didn’t know any better I’d say you’re abusing your jelly blocks….. I think I’m going to send you a back up batch 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

They took a serious beating on the batch of tests after this one. They haven't spoken to me in days.😆

[@chewinbubblegum2695]

In all of the comparison tests I've seen between Flat Nose & FMJ in multiple different calibers, the FN always penetrated much further than FMJ. I believe it has something to do with how the bullets rotate & stabilize.

[@rayowens995]

Thank you again for all your hard work! I know it’s fun but you have to manage a lot of things to keep it all straight. GREAT INFORMATION as always. Take care.

[@crankygunreviews]

I'm getting close to getting a Shield 380 EZ PC tool myself. I had to go back and watch this video again.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I absolutely love these EZ's. Fantastic shooters.

[@eliwagner4360]

Did Tools ever do this test with the shorter LCP ? I'm thinking FMJ in these pocket guns is the way to go.

[@randyadams03]

You never stop ! This will help, 1 of my daughter's carry is a Bersa Thunder. 380. Thanks Tools. I sometimes carry my Bersa thunder. 22 any chance you can show jelly test from same length barrel? The spam thing was so dumb. Night BL. Have great week. Appreciate your time 💯💯💢💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that brother. That scam bot spam was ridiculous for sure. I'm surprised the auto filter didn't catch it. What's the barrel length?

[@livincincy4498]

I realize S&W wanted a way to show off their performance center. But I see that gold & black and I think New Orleans Pimp in a brothel on the Saints Game Day.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 It was a choice between this, black on black, or silver on black. I had to go with the gold for the thumbnail clicks!🤣🤣🤣

[@jimcassar]

I did some research and may have an answer on why the flat nose bullets penetrated deeper than the round nose. It's called supercavitation, in which the flat of the bullet creates a bubble of water vapor at its nose in which it passes through. While the round nose bullet doesn't create as much of a bubble of water vapor, so there is more drag along the side of the bullet. The information I found was from posts between African big game hunters. There is a lot of misinformation out there that say the round nose penetrates deeper...but that gun...those bullets...jelly proved them wrong.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good info brother.😎👍

[@chuckhaggard1584]

It's because the RN bullets yaw, not because of mysterious bubble forces

[@jimcassar]

​@@chuckhaggard1584Perhsps the bubble effect helps keep the flat nose bullets from yaw?

[@chuckhaggard1584]

@@jimcassar the effect is called being "shoulder stabilized"

[@jimcassar]

@@chuckhaggard1584 Woodleigh makes hydrostaticaly stabilized bullets designed for straight deep penetration on dangerous game, and they all have flat tips or even concave tips.

[@machinis]

Your title caught my attention, but my experience is not related to your testing. I had feeding issues in the past with CCI Blazer .40 S&W 180 gr. FMJ round nose on a FN FNS-40. The second to the last round on a 14-round magazine would ALWAYS jam. I tried other flat-nosed and JHP (Remington, Winchester, Speer, S&B) with 100% success on every shot. Thanks for the video... and the giveaway last night was a blast! I was laughing the whole time.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm, very interesting. That's weird that it wouldn't do it till the next to last round in the mag. Appreciate you hanging out last night. It was definitely an experience.😂😂

[@keithmaxwell2169]

Sounds like a Problem with the magazine spring

[@machinis]

@@keithmaxwell2169 I wish that was the case, but I tested many other rounds with success.

[@keithmaxwell2169]

Back in the old West they filed their pistol bullets flat because all they had was round nose they said it gave the bullets more Killing power, surprisingly the flat penetrated more I thought the round nose would go further, Good Test Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Them cowboys musta known!💥🤠💥 Thank you sir!

[@carlosgutierrezjimenez200]

It’s a thing of beauty when the subtitles spell out “the Jelly Contraption” hahah love it great video

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂 Thank you sir!

[@robertharing7031]

Last night was a lot of fun I had to get up at 4:30 to head into the nursing home because no worky no pay !!! I’m like anyone else I was hoping to win and the odds were a lot better than the lottery but maybe next time I will sit back and watch the channel grow. I have a question about how to join the range gang please let me know so I can get it started but please know that I am not a member of anyone else’s Patreon and you will be my first such thing

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you hangin out last night brother. It was pretty fun. As for the Range Gang, definitely don't feel obligated but if you do decide to, you should see a join button next to the subscribe button below the video or if it's not showing up there, there's a link to click in the video description. I definitely appreciate the thought. Watching the videos is a huge way to support by itself.😎👊

[@cheeng1]

Your results are inline what I’ve seen, Flatnose penetrates deeper. Great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@hhhservicesllc3163]

Interesting Jelly Test Brother!! Very cool though... sucks that they kept exiting the block though lol.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah these solid projectiles like to bob and weave for sure.

[@brucerichardson5647]

Load up some of those 90gr xtp I sent ya and try them in the gell.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely gonna have to do that. I have those and several others I need to load up. I gotta just make myself take time to do it.

[@joedouche3818]

Can you do this same exact test, but! With the HI-POINT 3895TS carbine? It's the only 380 rifle +p rated rifle made. It don't get no shine. This was awesome and fun to watch! SUBSCRIBED!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I honestly didn't even know they made a carbine in .380. Now you have me curious. Appreciate that!

[@loquat4440]

You need a denim flannel barrier and them repeat it. From what I saw is the round nose likely to transmit more energy and usually feeds better through an autoloading pistol. Both rounds are over penetrating.

[@timrobertson299]

You know what time it is..........Time for another Jelly test! 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir! My cup runneth over with jelly!😎

[@Nutty.357]

That M&P performance 380 is growing on me lol seems to get a little better performance than the standard rated 38spcl from what I can see. I am thinking to really tell the difference in rounds would have to consider accuracy and FPE how they react on impact to certain objects. Maybe some group testing and impact on some water jugs on slow mo to study which one does the most impact damage. We all know you was just shooting more rounds because it was fun! haha! Have a good one! Fun stuff!

[@ToolsandTargets]

You caught me!😂

[@roywilliamson9112]

Another great jelly test! Pretty interesting the outcome. Almost looks like that "special ar" got hold to that Kelly. Keep em coming brother!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Looks like swiss cheese!

[@govols100]

@Tools&Targets Went to our local Rural King a couple times lately. They are starting to get in more ammo but its still not near as much as yours.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. Hopefully they will start getting more and more in.

[@jonclark8155]

I don’t think I’ve seen you test the tui fort Scott’s. Thank for putting this out there.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've tested them in 9mm and .45acp. Wasn't overly impressed.🤷‍♂️

[@jonclark8155]

@@ToolsandTargets got ya. Yeah me to I wasn’t impressed either.

[@markapril0206]

Very interesting test. You would think the round would have more penitration. I would feel like the flat would slow down much faster. Amazing results thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I had the same thought to begin with. Gonna be interesting to see if 9mm acts the same way.👍

[@patrickkohls4041]

Nice video...I am not much of a 380 fan....u made some nice art work with all of them hole's

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I mean it's at least as good as what Hunter Biden calls art.😆

[@ryanbrown938]

Great testing bro... Thanks for clarification on the penetration between the two, for a long time I always thought that flat nose projectiles would have more "stopping power" than penetration compared to round nose. Awesome video my man!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Now I'm really curious how the 9mm will do on this test.👍

[@ryanbrown938]

@@ToolsandTargets after the 9mm test, would you do the same with .40 S&W?

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@ryanbrown938 I don't have a lot of different .40 but I'll see if I can round up some round and flat to do the test with.👍

[@pcrealty]

Thanks for the humor while testing!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Gotta try to keep it fun!

[@mauricenations7511]

Enjoyed the video. Thanks for your time

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out brother!

[@MuchoNoBueno]

It’s for shooting on paper.They had the UMC Remington with green writing it was an all copper round maybe for beaver’s in California . I Bought it cause there was no plinking ammo left

[@caseyquirk6631]

Had amazing time last night tools great livestream keep the jelly videos coming and I'm still waiting on the Jelly Time merch😀

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you hangin out on the live! I've gotta get on the merch asap.

[@theparalexview785]

My best guess is the flat nose bullet is pushing a tiny pocket of air, just enough to disrupt the gel ahead and enable the bullet to follow a larger temporary bubble. The round nose is needing to push its way though the gel. A comparison of 9mm Federal Syntech in 115 gr Range FMJ RN, vs Syntech 150 gr Action Pistol FMJ FN might be interesting. Not identical weights, but I'm curious since I shoot both.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've been meaning to pick up some of the Syntech.

[@theparalexview785]

The Federal Syntech is a bit cheaper than some FMJ RN here. The 150 gr Action Pistol round is softer shooting than the 115 gr Range version. Nice for practice using a micro 9mm like my Shield Plus.

[@DaveTex2375]

I heard that some .22 cal ammo is made with a flat tip for the same reason. Improved performance.

[@kennethrisner8648]

i can't deny what i just saw with my own eyes, but thought the results would be the opposite. i thought that since the flat nose appeared to have more wind resistance, it wouldnt go as far as the round nose. thos test kinda defies the laws of physics. in 90% of the 380 vs 9mm penetration tests i have seen the 9mm wins easily, so there is certainly something going on here.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I'm very curious to do this same thing with 9mm now.👍

[@kennethrisner8648]

@@ToolsandTargets i wanna see it too. some years back i was doing a test on , i think it was half inch boards. the gun was a hi point c9. i musta had 5 dfferent kinds if 115 gr fmj, and one kind of 115 gr flat points. every one of the round nose went deeper into the wood than the flat tip. because of the slightly larger wound channel of the flat tip one could argue it could be a viable alternative for those of us that arent hollow point crazy, but if the flat tip consistently penetrates farther, its kind of a moot point.

[@lilromeo200789]

Wind resistance/drag is a function of velocity. Drag = Frontal Area x Velocity^2 If they are similar in velocity then the wind resistance would be negligible.

[@kennethrisner8648]

@@lilromeo200789 say what?

[@kennethrisner8648]

@@lilromeo200789 i can appreciate that. just understand that i'm not a particularly technical or mechanically gifted person. in my mind i was comparing it to a sharp blade being pushed through something with the round nose being the sharp blade, and a dull blade being pushed through something with the flat tip being the dull blade. seems to me the sharp blade would win. then again i aint a rocket scientist lol

[@waynemayle865]

A 32 auto would be a good jelly test 25 auto if ya could find any ammo just a thought 🤔

[@ToolsandTargets]

Funny you mention that. RK just started selling .25 auto on their site.👍

[@robertharing7031]

I only have two kinds of flat nose projectiles 147 Aguila 9mm and Aguila Interceptor 40 grain.22s both hit like a brick for what they are! The 380 was a booking now wasn’t it ?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really wanna do a test like this with 9mm now. If those get more penetration consistently as a flat nose then I thnk there's something to it.

[@BlackPoindexter]

Good stuff as usual Tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you hangin out in the live last night!😎👊

[@SMASHTIME]

Yes

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@blakew.2327]

Good live stream last night maybe I will have better luck next time 😆

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you being a part of it. Definitely plenty more to come!😎

[@YellowHammer26]

Thanks , I am really enjoying your videos.👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that brother!😎👊

[@mattjaxdad8693]

After this test I feel that the shape may help only a tiny amount. So, when I think about the 22 Punch we can count out the flat nose as the #1 reason for the extra penetration. Therefore we know the flat nose and. 22 caliber size is consistent and the lighter weight 29 grain vs 36 or 40 doesn't help when compared to the same speed (fps). More mass should equal more penetration for identical fps. That makes me think the coating and/or the shorter 29 grain bullet has less total friction. Interesting. I'm the guy who stays up at night wondering why airplanes aren't coated with Teflon.😁

[@ToolsandTargets]

LOL, if they would coat them in Teflon it would make frying eggs on them much less hassle!😜

[@chuckhaggard1584]

You'd be wrong, the bullet shape makes a big difference, especially in larger calibers.

[@josearellano5778]

Seems like that so-called negligible Difference in power made quite a difference in the end result‼️

[@haroldhatcher1239]

Another great video !! Keep em coming.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Plenty more on the way!

[@caseyquirk6631]

I love the video tools that jelly block ended up looking like Martinsville Speedway so many wound channels lol you had me laughing so much trying to get them stubborn things to stay in the block your videos are the highlight of my day can't wait to get home from work and see if there's a new video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Really appreciate that brother. There was a whole lotta shake and bake goin on for sure!😂

[@silverback3926]

With all the new interest in 380 and the ammo being so expensive. Why not load 9mm 124 grain down to 900 fps. Ot always seems like slower bullets get good penetration in gel. Or am I just kidding myself. The standard 9mm does so well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

People love the little baby sized .380 pistols.🤷‍♂️

[@dustybowhunter]

Started out as a ballistic gel block and finished as a delicious piece of swiss cheese 🧀🍽

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@davidhamilton9106]

Cool gel test Tools Awesome work !!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎

[@davidramsay1055]

I usually carry flat nose Winchester 95 grain. Buffalo bore has a +p flat nose I'd like to try

[@ronaldperkins4222]

Interesting results; advantage flat nose. Will be cool to see a repeat with similar 9mm rounds.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely very curious to see what the 9mm does.👍

[@SwheatCents]

Awesome as always brother! Giveaway went great lastnight!! Are you brave enough to be free Patriots???

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you brother. Appreciate you hangin out last night. Sic Semper Tyrannis!

[@stargazer2042]

Seems like 32 and 380 over penetrate. HP are more likely to jam and don't go deep enough.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@incredible3214]

.380 flat nose for the win.

[@cr42hunting99]

Nice jelly test brotha!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@deucedeuce1572]

Time for thicker gel blocks... or shooting classes. lol. (Joking aside, Always appreciated).

[@ToolsandTargets]

These things like to bob and weave in this jelly for sure.😆

[@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643]

380 is plenty to stop an attacker in the majority of scenarios

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍

[@strib3144]

Dude, I love your work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!

[@strib3144]

Keep it up on the 380 @@ToolsandTargets ammo reviews. I just bought a Ruger Security 380 for my wife.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Couple new ones on the way.😎👍@@strib3144

[@josearellano5778]

Dude I made the mistake of buying a whole mess of flat nose 40 S&W. That shit was jamomatic in my pistol. Every other round would get stuck chambering. Never again‼️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Wow, that's no bueno! Maybe just too steep of an angle hitting the feed ramp I guess. I can't say that I've run too many flat noses. I usually just use round fmj to plink on the range.

[@semlohde1]

😂 reading this I immediately see Dan Akroid on Saturday Night Live and Bass-o-matic. I was wondering if the FN would jam. I read the FN length is shorter than ball, hate to buy it to experiment. Thanks for reporting.

[@DaveTex2375]

Winchester makes a flat nose FMJ that seems fairly inexpensive that could be a good second choice if reliable hollow points are unavailable.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@randlerichardson5826]

Interesting I’d like to know what kind of powder they loaded them Bullets with.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I don't know if that info is listed somewhere to take a look at or not.🤔

[@AlanFannin]

You got to believe that Federal did a lot of R&D with their punch ammo and it is all flat nose.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good point for sure. The Punch don't play!

[@samuelmorado70]

Have you tried Ammo incorporated Ammo. I love the 100 gr TMC flat nosed 380 and the JHP

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeesir, several different calibers. Good stuff.👍

[@Mbartel500]

Just a suggestion…couldn't you put the chrono in front of the gel blocks? Then you would get the velocity, and the bullet expansion in the same shot. Saves ammo and time.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The only problem with that is I normally only take one shot with each round through the gel and I want to get at least a 2 shot average from the chrono. So I would still have to take a chrono shot outside of the gel to get at least a two shot average. The time it takes to move stuff around is worth wasting the extra round for me.

[@Mbartel500]

@@ToolsandTargets copy that…

[@durrtybuck8949]

Thanks for the video!! Great info.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎

[@EsyuDach]

bullets expand less (often not at all) in lung tissue than in gel, so you dont want more than 10" of gel penetration and 8" is plenty. I"ll take a "mere" 6" of gel penetration over 12", ANY day, as long as I also get massive tissue destruction.

[@mkshffr4936]

Would love to see how RNFP 38 special "Cowboy" loads (CAS loads) would do compared to the traditional LRN.

[@clutchcargo1239]

Maybe try this in 9mm with the 115gr flat nose M1152 Active Duty ammo, compared to a standard 115gr RN FMJ... Could be interesting. I heard that those Active Duty rounds are serious penetrators.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think I might have some of those. Good idea.👍

[@rob6850]

@@ToolsandTargets you will need at least 3 blocks for that M1152

[@justinappling614]

Round nosed bullets will tumble and the flat nose will deliver straight line penetration. Therefore, the flat nose penetrates further.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely makes sense.👍

[@craigt5990]

Just an observation. You have done extensive tests with the Punch ammo which is a flat nose. It always seems to outperform everything else.

[@ToolsandTargets]

True, I didn't even think about that till later.

[@richardziemies8247]

Yes, flatnose rounds will do alot of damage in a body. Like I suggested awhile back you should put some rib or dog bone inthe gel blocks to see how they really open up. And a steel plate to stop the round to recover the ammo to see if the round opened up. I did it and you will be amazed. Good Luck.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really haven't had any issue recovering rounds. None of them ever penetrate through both blocks. Only the ones that yaw and go out the side from time to time. Hollow points are always caught in the gel. I mentioned before I'm not ever putting bone in the gel because it's literally impossible to filter this clear gel due to the way it instantly solidifies if you pour it. I may do some external "barriers" but bare gel serves my purpose for the most part. Appreciate you checking it out.👍

[@JohnLloydScharf]

The best way might be to shoot a live 200 pound hog. "The best is the enemy of the good." One source I had said 147 ft/lbs in a hit will break a bone. Both of these are 828 or above at 100 grains to produce 152 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. I doubt expansion is a determining factor. The fatal factors are placement and penetration. Most defense shots and assassinations are within six feet and rarely out to seven yards. The Arch Duke Ferdinand was killed with a .380 with one hit in the neck and that started WW1. A .380 killed Mahatma Gandi with three shots within four inches of his belly button. . Yitzhak Rabin, Prime Minister of Israel died wtih a hit in the chest and one hit in the abdomen.

[@JohnLloydScharf]

@@ToolsandTargets I have no choice for a range yet; so I am delayed. I over-plan to prevent waste. My kit came with: One - block of ballistic gelatin (16L X 6W x 6H) which is wrapped One - block of ballistic gelatin (9L X 4W x 4H) which is wrapped I think I will use part of the 4 inch block as an entry block to catch initial debris from the blast and bullet. If I used a barrier it would be far enough way for debris not to penetrate the gel. Maybe medium density fiber board wrapped in denim a foot away. I got "Flarp" as a "non-neutonian" medium to test. It is all a matter of testing one round against another in the same medium. Data from Paul Harrel does not compare on individual rounds with TNOUTDOORS, or Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_, or IraqVet8888, or Who-Tee-Who. Martin Fackler recommended water in milk cartons and unspun cotton for bullet catching for amatuers. He also recommended the Oehler 35P which costs over $600. Originally they shot goats or pigs. The data they finally used was 147 grain Winchester in a 9mm from autopsies in the 1980s. Not many police used that caliber and they did not have data from felons who were incapacitated and still alive.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@JohnLloydScharf Agreed.👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@JohnLloydScharf Sounds like a good plan. The extra small block will definitely help keep the main block clear for a lot longer. It's nearly impossible to filter this clear gel so the cleaner you can keep it, the longer it stays clear enough to see your results.👍

[@johngrunwell]

Not a whole lot, but to assume, HA! Possible the geometry of the the projectile’s curve(?) as it comes off the point, the rounding that is?? Whatever, it GEL! 🤪

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@slickdazzler7330]

Surprised me that the flat nose went further, and there wasn't a spit worth of difference in velocity of either round. I would have bet on the round nose, and lost 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here. Now I'm dyin to see what the results of this would be using 9mm.👍

[@mkshffr4936]

Flat noses seem to consistently penetrate deeper and straighter in every caliber I have seen tested. Elmer Keith was right again. 😊

[@bigfreddie4854]

Good video as usual tools👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@johnkellmer5133]

Wait a minute... I just saw the thumbnail again... It's a performance center .380 EZ. If I get a chance - as accurate as that one shoots - I think I'll trade my standard for a performance center product. Which is to say I could use a little help in accuracy and maybe S&W can sell me some. I do like my gun fine, though, so either way I'm a happy camper.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I absolutely love this gun. By way of certain events I ended up with my wife's original 9mm EZ also and after shooting this, I'm thinking of trading it in for a Performance Center version of it.

[@bobg.8954]

I would have thought the opposite because of aerodynamics. But then...wtf do I know lol. The show last night was awesome Brother and congrats again. I do think we need to watch WTW tho... If he shows up with 9 new toys we'll know he fixed it lmao! T/C T&T

[@ToolsandTargets]

I told him to hold off at least a week before testing his new maverick 88 and Savage 64!😆

[@bobg.8954]

@@ToolsandTargets LMAO!!!

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Another really good shooo , gellmiester !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you brother!😎

[@philipfreeman72]

On sailboats a too sharp bow is slower than a slightly blunt one .

[@ToolsandTargets]

Interesting🤔

[@varietasVeritas]

I think it has more to do with when the bullets tumble or mushroom.

[@ToolsandTargets]

These were all solid, non-expanding rounds and stayed straight though. I'm definitely gonna test this with some 9mm soon.😎

[@jonclark8155]

Btw the military uses fmj. And they use armor piercing rounds I know you know this. I only use fmj’s to target practice with and if I’m out of hollow points then I’ll go to them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@HyksosKhamudi]

I had hoped this was going to be a 22 punch video haha

[@HyksosKhamudi]

also to be fair the 22 lr punch is flat nose and for 22 lr it seems to be king of 22 lr penetration

[@ToolsandTargets]

The next two are.😎

[@HyksosKhamudi]

@@ToolsandTargets good =) wanting to see that norma stuff haha

[@380master9]

Bro, it is very obvious. Most manufacturers of standard 9 mm are loading it super low just enough to meet the minimum standard if there is such a thing. They are being cheap with the powder, you don't seem to have this problem that much with the high end hollow point rounds cuz they're made with more quality

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Love Jelly Time Tools when I carry 380 I go with the flat nose Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I still gotta test out a few more good ones for .380 that I think might really perform well.😎

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

@@ToolsandTargets Great can’t wait to see how they perform