Dominion War : The Ferengi Double-cross the Dominion

[@BrokenEyes00]

I think we really need to stop and take a minute to realize that the Federation has zombifyinh tech that allowed them to turn a recently deceased corpse into a remote controlled puppet that at the very least will confuse the enemy and make them lower their guard, perfect for an ambush. The imperium if man would approve.

[@ericdugdale8585]

And that's what they can do with a jury-rigged piece of tech on a foreign space station under duress conditions. Imagine what they could do from a proper laboratory?!

[@BrokenEyes00]

Eric Dugdale 1 Genesis device detonated in the middle of a Tyranids hive fleet would fix things right up.... The imperium should really crack open those vaults on Mars…

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

*of

[@Paul-jy8cv]

@@BrokenEyes00 genesis is just one of those items you just really dont want to go into since technically it did fail at terraforming planets it succeed brilliantly at a WOMD so lorerunner and kruge were both right on it A post i made below i should have linked with yours ok LOL this is one that i have seen that i totally have to agree with you on though i also agree with broken eyes. Though bring another point to that he might not have considered. At this point starfleet is supposed to be in a manpower shortage maybe the zombifying tech gets them out of it remember they have great engineers.

[@BrokenEyes00]

freeze1 no that’s the name of the imperium in the mirror universe… Warhammer -40k. In the blessed light of The far future, there is only peace… Endless, endless peace.

[@logicplague]

Jake: We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity. Nog: What does that mean, exactly? Jake: It means....it means we don't need money. Nog: Well, if you don't need money, then you certainly don't need mine. Gold

[@toecutter]

No mention of the second Vorta being played by IGGY POP?!?!

[@LoreReloaded]

No idea whom that is

[@otsenres1636]

"Weekend at Ferengi's!"

[@TheMultiGunMan]

LOL. Well done Sir!

[@otsenres1636]

@@TheMultiGunMan 🖖

[@yazanmowed]

Otsenre s Legen...... wait for it..dairy, legendary.

[@nomemories130]

It's the best corpse desecration episode out of all Star Trek's corpse desecration episodes.

[@josebelmar5951]

These mischievous little farengi made life so interesting.

[@brucechmiel7964]

What would they do, audit them to death?

[@antwan1357]

The weird part about the Ferengi is that they are comparable to how americans would react to things when they are diaplayed in the hero role. This is why little green men episode worked so well. It was literally two similar cultures.

[@jhno68]

americans culture and politics are run by greed.

[@arivael]

So with Nog's uniform, I would think that since Starfleet had to hand over the Vorta to Quark then it could just be assumed that Starfleet had assigned the condition to that of having one of their officers along for the trade, at least from the Dominions perspective. It would also make sense to the Dominion, assuming they know who Nog is and that he is the grandson of their hostage, that he would be the officer assigned, being the only Ferengi in Starfleet and being related to the hostage. As to why they don't try and storm the Ferengi position, well if we go with this all being about disrupting co-operation between the Ferengi and the Federation then they I would make sense that this thing was both a warning 'We can get those you care about more than Latinum' kind of deal and a 'We will honour our agreements/deals', so saying in effect 'We have the force to hurt you if you oppose us or aid our enemies but we can make a deal and we will abide by it'.

[@invidofinp1828]

Flaws or not, this just shows Quark needs his own show.

[@gavinsmiley9377]

This is a great episode for a ton of reasons. One of them is Iggy Pop. Another one is Lek. I like to see aliens that defy their species’ typical behavior, like a non warrior Klingon, a trustworthy Cardassian or in this case a Ferengi mercenary. You are right about Nog’s uniform though, but fixing it does only require two lines of dialogue.

[@rurrjh]

I wonder if there is not a larger backstory here. The Orion's seize Iskha. They sell her to the Dominion. We know the Dominion had links with the Orion's We know the Ferengi were being courted by Starfleet- The valiant. That might explain the warp nine remark. It's an Orion ship being used

[@bernardcalloway2205]

Hmmm , .... 🤔 ' good call , I completely forgot about that , gonna have to rewatch that episode !

[@andrewgilbertson5672]

@2:50 - I mean... Picard was pretty fine with returning Timicin to die in Half a Life. So I'm not sure that's true of Starfleet, much as they'd like to claim it...

[@jasonsumma1530]

Timicin wasn't a prisoner and chose to return to honor his people and culture. It was more of the latter part which Picard honored more than one man's life even if Loxawana had a crush on Timicin.

[@aperson22222]

The antagonism of a neutral government is very interesting. Starfleet’s willingness to support Quark, who is acting on the Nagus’s behalf even if he is a free agent, seems to be pushing Zek to a pro-Federation foreign policy. Makes me wonder if the Dominion may have had a hand in Zek’s deposition and Brunt’s brief reign as Nagus. Brunt as a pro-Dominion Manchurian candidate?

[@mrbojangles8133]

You also wonder how powerful are Ferengi ships

[@mrbojangles8133]

@Thelondonbadger but they also may have to protect valueable cargo worth many bricks of gold pressed latinum so maybe they are quite powerful

[@aperson22222]

mr bojangles There was a time when they were supposed to be a match for the Galaxy class. I think the writers want us to forget about that. Ferengi soft power is not to be despised, though. They occupy a fairly unique niche in the Alpha Quadrant; I think their only significant competition is the Orion Syndicate, and dealing with them is a much riskier alternative. A friendly Ferengi Alliance offers advantages that are not to be despised.

[@mrbojangles8133]

@@aperson22222 I do get that, just figured that if they venture in or near Klingon or Orion space some powerful weapons if only defensive make sense, besides Ferengi captains operate with a lot of autonomy so it can very well differ to specific requirements of the individual Ferengi operator

[@mrbojangles8133]

@Thelondonbadger also a certain amount of weapons may also be required to defend against being double crossed, a real risk if you're selling goods in problem areas, or with iffy guys like the Cardassians

[@julianthornley5322]

Kia ora from New Zealand long time Watcher first time commenter always remember the 76th rule every once in a while declare peace it confuses the hell out of your enemies

[@seanmcgrath3826]

That's always been my favorite Rule of Acquisition, since it probably does exactly that, and IMHO is also the most humorous one to hear

[@julianthornley5322]

Which brings to mind the old human saying Many a true word spoken in jest

[@Locutus]

G'day mate from Australia.

[@julianthornley5322]

@@Locutus kia ora from New Zealand I really feel for you guys over there with the bushfires I hope you are nowhere near them

[@juliankirby9880]

Who is to say that The Sisko didn’t order Nog to make sure the vorta wouldn’t make it back. And that that trigger happy ferengi didn’t mess up the plan?

[@mckenziecalhoun316]

The FCA would win the Dominion war with 0 casualties. Change my mind.

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Especially if they hire you to do it, Mac.

[@OllamhDrab]

I'm sure they could cut a deal, which would be fine, till the Dominion comes along and says 'I am altering the deal.'

[@seanmcgrath3826]

@@OllamhDrab I could see the Dominion doing that, I could also see the Dominion borrowing Darth Vader from another universe to do it for them, too

[@mckenziecalhoun316]

@@freezetasticvoyage19 thank you for knowing who I am 300ish years before I was even born :)

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

in Palpatine's voice: the Vorta could be a great asset! CAN YOU INTERROGATE HER?? DARTH VADER: SHE WILL WIELD TO MY WILL.

[@demogorgonzola]

``Ferengi double-cross...`` FRA #16 A deal is a deal... Until a better one comes along. FRA #17 A contract is a contract is a contract... But only between Ferengi. In other news: Water isn't wet, hot water freeze faster, Ferenginar still doesn't know crunchy...

[@TheMultiGunMan]

This was one of my favourite episodes of DS9.

[@GeminiBull]

i always liked this episode. a nice change of pace from everything else that was going on. wished there were more than just a handful of these types of episodes in ds9 during the war. would've added more to the war and its affects on other places in known space. there were a bunch of smaller civs that were most definitely affected by the dominion war, both during and after it.

[@illithidlore]

I always figured the Dominion didn't just overrun the Ferengi because they were trying to use this as a means to get the Ferengi to join the Dominion. Agree 100% on Nog's uniform though. And wish we saw more of Lek.

[@illithidlore]

Lek, not Zek. Lek was the eliminator.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Moogie is the key to everything.

[@LoreReloaded]

You just need a large pair of firm..... lobes

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@@LoreReloaded Noice.

[@nightmotherasmr]

I wish we could have seen more of Keevan. He was hilarious.

[@berner]

One thing I can say for sure that I learned from this episode: IGGY POP CAN'T ACT!!

[@shadowthoughts7959]

ANY DS9 EPISODE WITH FERENGI IS GOLD.

[@mb2000]

They should have reanimated (or whatever) the corpses of the four Starfleet people that were killed on Empok Nor before as well. Now that would have scared Iggy Pop! Would it have mattered if the Dominion killed Keevan? They’d have just activated his clone anyway.

[@shinsenkitsune8823]

It would make sense even from the view of the Dominion for a Starfleet officer to be present for a prisoner exchange. They already know that they are getting Keevon from the federation, so it would be natural to have a security escort of the prisoner. The Ferengi were simply a "neutral" third party conducting the trade.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

I'd debate the Neutrality of Ferenginar given the the prisoner of the Dominion was the partner of the Nagus. This was a political exchange between 3 parties since Ferenginar didn't offer ships to the Alpha Quadrant war effort

[@brucechmiel7964]

The scrip has the Nagus taken. But the actor had health issues so Ishka had to take his place. If it was the Nagus, Starfleets inclinations to deliver the aborts would be justified.

[@vukodlak3962]

It was supposed to be Zek but the actor wasn't available.

[@darthpandinus1746]

Just because a nation or planet is neutral in a war does not mean it doesn't become involved in a war. Just look at the neutral nations of WW2. And how the Axis and Allied nations violated that neutrality.

[@maxfederman9291]

Love that iggy pop cameo

[@thecartruthreport8451]

I love fun episodes of scifi, and this is one of the best IMO (the 200 from SG1 is the best)

[@beatrixthegreat1138]

One thing I learned, rule of acquisition rule 31 is taken strongly and should probably be amended to “never fuck with a Ferengi’s mother”

[@thatlithornet6421]

Depending on which version of Rule 34 you treasure, I'm not sure Zek could ultimately be very neutral in the eyes of the Dominion. I could imagine scavenged tech, weapons, realistically anything of value could be flowing and strengthening the Alliance from Ferenginar. This doesn't matter if it's self-sealing stem bolts, or bio-mimetic gel, any aid in a time of war puts you at odds in a war. Ultimately the Dosi in DS9 suffered as traders because of their needed submission to the Dominion rules. Can you imagine a Ferengi being limited under those rules as well? You started off saying how it was a transport between Vulcan and Ferenginar. Why was Ishka going too? or returning from? Vulcan in a time of war. Especially since Vulcan has traditionally always been more of a diplomatic arm of the Federation. I feel like a lot of good storytelling just got cut and wasn't explored because of screen time couldn't be allocated to it.

[@krzosu]

And here i was trying to figure out what pRon has to do with Startrek's Ferengi's.... xD You know the rule 34 ? Rule 34, if it exist there is pron of it.

[@jonathanfornwalt4919]

Ishka was going to Vulcan to have her lobes lifted, some sort of plastic surgery.

[@mikealpha2611]

I think Nog could have been left in uniform IF he had been on just on the shuttle as Federation handler of the prisoner until he is released.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

laughing in Palpatine.

[@Alverant]

It's a fun episode. Any nitpicks could be written off as "we just did some heavy episodes, let's have some laughs".

[@TheDarkendstar]

I think this episode just illustrates the Dominions failure of diplomacy at this point in the war the Federation is successfully uniting most of the alpha quadrant powers against them

[@lawrencemiller7442]

The Ferengi Alliance is a great trading power with vast fleets of merchant vessels and a reasonable amount of warships to protect their trade interests. While the Ferengi are cautious and rarely involve themselves with intergalactic conflict's opting to following a policy of neutrality its no secret that their best interests ly with their long time customers and friends in the alpha quadrant. (That being said Rule of Acquisition 21: Never place friendship above profit.) The Dommion while it may seem powerful with great opportunity for expansion (Rule of Acquisition 45 or 95: Expand or Die) with possible huge profit margins their are far to many variables to calculate ( Rule of Acquisition 203: New customers are like razor tooth green worms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back ). The Dommion and Federation are no doubt trying to butter up the Alliance with honeyed words (Rule of Acquisition 194: Hear all trust nothing) and big promises (Rule of Acquisition 48: The bigger the smile the sharper the knife) neither side would risk the Alliance throwing their full might behind their enemy. Better to keep the Ferengi neutral in this war. Keep the great work man. A loyal viewer.

[@volbound1700]

I have seen notes about the War that shows the Ferengi Alliance was actively in the Federation Alliance against the Dominion. If you think this way, the episode makes sense.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

Another thing about the Vorta is : if the Dominion knows what Starfleet knows they can just change protocol, but if they don't (aka if they never get the Vorta back) they always have to assume SF knows if the Vorta may have as to not run into traps and such.

[@anthonydesroches8897]

Or you can say, Quark said that as a sarcastic remark. He has been known to do it.

[@vidlink]

Ever since I rewatched this episode, I've wanted to see a spin-off or a one-off with zombies. Star Trek: Zombies.

[@BlazingOwnager]

"There's too many! You can only stop 'em by shooting 'em in the head and--" *Phaser widebeams an entire city street to atoms*

[@_DarkEmperor]

There is Borg.

[@robertagu5533]

Knowing how bad the Dominion really was in their plans regarding the "Solids" of the Alpha Quadrant.. The Ferengi did a very heroic thing and sorta redeemed themselves helping the rest their Quadrant.. They coulda gone a little further and helped cripple the Dominion too. I might've if was them. The Ferengi are shown that their flaws and even "evil" will only go so far. The "worst" in the Ferengi shown.. usually Brunt and and Quark have consistently proven they will only sink so low in the "evil" they will engage and tolerate. Allowing for just such a destabilizing tactic(s) to be used on the Dominion.. F'in Weyoun DID want to commit Genocide on Humanity and the female Changling DID try to have it done to the Cardassians after all. Would imagine after Dominion war 1 Cardassians probably were either looked at by the rest the Alpha Quadrant with either mistrust OR something of a "hoped you learned your lesson" attitude

[@absalomdraconis]

I've suggested it before, but I'm currently wondering if Ferengi commercialism is a modification of some ancient socialist system, and they just modified the morality to fit a commerce bent.

[@robertagu5533]

@@absalomdraconis given the in universe economics it sounds.. at least Government and finance wise that Ferengi money culture and government seems to have roots closest to some form of ancient Capitalism that became greed, and possibly/probably corruption driven. Seeing that Quark, Rom, Nog and few the others are constantly throwing around Capitalism finance ideas like competitive business, haggling and negotiating, and free enterprising. But also a bit of bribery, skimming off the top and cost effective measures to reduce costs. All things seen with the good and bad of Capitalism markets. Not the sorta thing Socialist run societies do at a financial level. Socialism is more about government controlling most everything, which is counter to a bunch of businesses competing to make individual profits that the government would see little or none of

[@PauperJ]

You didn't comment at all on how bean-counter Fenton Crackshell, who became GizmoDuck, ended up on this Ferengi team (Leck.)

[@Bosniarat24]

Leave it to the Ferengi!

[@MrPingn]

*Jem'hadar warrior sees Nog in Starfleet uniform.* Are you a cawp? Cuz you gotta tell me if you're a cawp!

[@fatalshore5068]

Haha, I loved this ep, the Ferengi are a blast!

[@mrbojangles8133]

depends on who's transport it is. if it is a Ferengi ship it is weird, if it is a Federation ship it makes more sense

[@TheDarkendstar]

Lore the Jem hadar could rush forward and attack and capture them but attack a direct emissary of the Grand Negas after just capturing his mistress That’s likely to lead to another power outright joining the war

[@skwills1629]

To be fair this Double Cross was likely nessisary. Had they handed over a Living Vorta, the Dominion still may have decided to kill them. The ships didn't have to leave to a distance three days away, they just needed to be outof sensor range. Besides, with no witnesses the Ferengi can say the Federation ambushed them and they had nothing to do with it. But it is odd that the Dominion didn't create a new Allie for the Alliance opposing them. Grand Negus Zek seems to be an Absolute Monarch at this point in the show. His Lover is a Prisoner of the Dominion. He has been shown to be a highly EMotional man, capable of Genious but also often blinded and lead by Emotion. The Ferengi could declare War and join the Federation. So I don't know why they kept her.

[@thecartruthreport8451]

Game theory can be fun!

[@highlandoutsider]

After a quick "hehe oh Insaneway" I got t thinkin, if she's my favourite Captain, what's that say about me? And what does your favourite say about you?

[@MahsaKaerra]

I think the idea of her going kinda crazy zealous in her quest to return home is something that would be worth exploring, and we sometimes see hints of it such as in Year Of Hell, and the one with the "Warship Voyager", the Equinox, and of course Admiral Janeway in the last episode, but the people in charge chose to go for a series generally that was more episodic and lighter in tone. Like, we see in some episodes Voyager takes wild amounts of damage, but nobody is even hurt and within a week everything is fixed from the actual physical ship to the mental and emotional state of everyone on board. And don't even start on their "limited" supply of photon torpedoes.

[@kevinbooth2043]

I guess I would punch a God then. (Q)

[@zealotmaster1]

Starfleet write the guidelines but its the captains that set the rules

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

THE PRIME DIRECTIVE: THE ABSOLUTE GUIDELINES THAT STARFLEET IGNORES WHENEVER.

[@charleskinsey2077]

Every captain has broken or "bent" the Guidelines.

[@RRW359]

I'm not sure if the Dominion would have re-visited the station, but if they didn't, I'd like to see how Dukat's cult would have reacted to Keevan.

[@VXGaming]

All we really know is he hates Ferengi.

[@mysticranger6894]

I think SIsko got that Vorta for them b/c if u remember he hates that guy for what he did to the jemhadar, he wanted to kill him, but held back, by this point he prob gave starfleet everything, so Sisko found a way to "kill" him wihtout doing the deed and get Quarks mom back. Also this was a comdeic and fun episode lol, dude u over nalayzing, with the whole dominion ferengi thing them killing the soliders.

[@Paul-jy8cv]

ok LOL this is one that i have seen that i totally have to agree with you on though i also agree with broken eyes. Though bring another point to that he might not have considered. At this point starfleet is supposed to be in a manpower shortage maybe the zombifying tech gets them out of it remember they have great engineers.

[@thegameslibrarian5264]

Its hard to sneak up on a ferengi there can always hear you coming

[@Locutus]

Your spelling and punctuation is atrocious.

[@thegameslibrarian5264]

@@Locutus I have dyslexia it's hard for me to get things right

[@josephmulvihill1761]

Also the vorta that arrives with the gem hadar is rock star iggy pop

[@josephmulvihill1761]

You could say the ferengi have, "a lust for life"

[@kobra6660]

I wouldve liked to see the ferengi eliminator be expred more

[@jeffreyb.2817]

When did the Ferengi join the Federation alliance, as you said towards end. I don't remember them ever doing that.

[@LoreReloaded]

Episode "valiant"

[@XanatosDavid]

whats the episode number?

[@jameshanlon5689]

Why are you obsessing over Nog’s uniform when Rom is wearing a Bajoran uniform. Besides, Nog is a Starfleet officer and will most likely be thinking like one to the point where he forgets that he’s dealing with fellow Ferengi.

[@maiqtheliar789]

Never underestimate the Ferengi. They might be capitalists and cowards for the most part, but they are also among the most ruthless, intelligent, and even brave species when they have to be. With Ferengi, everything is a business but that doesn't mean they are pacifists either. They might prefer peace and making a deal but at the same time, every time they must fight their tech level is equivalent to whoever they are against. Not to mention Ferengi are not disarmed either. In a dangerous galaxy, even a trade ship needs to worry about piracy and such. Not to mention Ferengi arms dealers including one that is related to Quark. Arms dealers that would need factories and such to manufacture their weapons. Honestly, it wouldn't be against Ferengi character to have mercenaries on their payroll either. Dominion miscalculated messing with the Ferengi.

[@stevemcqueen7735]

You are overthinking it

[@LoreReloaded]

Nah...didnt go in deep enough

[@notmegaming9038]

3:45 I do love when LoreReloaded makes socialists cry themselves to sleep.

why are you so afraid of socialism? it works VERY well for the billionaires (massive tax cuts) . us poor folks (the people who will pay to fix this mess) have to settle for "rugged individualism". ironically, the folks who preach that crap don't believe it. why should we? really, i'm interested. I don't expect a rational reply but fire away.

[@absalomdraconis]

@ : "Massive tax cuts" isn't socialist, if anything it's anarchist. At any rate, we disapprove of socialism both from actual real-world examples (yes, it _has_ been done before, in multiple guises, so we have plenty of stuff to judge off of); and because it philosophically _increases_ the subjugation of people to something or someone other than themselves, with poor, malicious, slow, or otherwise negative decisions commonly being the result. I have _worked for_ other people, and _therefor know better through experience_ than to trust others to make good decisions. You only get more correct decisions being made when more people are making the choices _independently_ of each other's goals, obligations, and calculations, not when you increase the homogenity of the influencing factors, nor when you mandate certain actions from above. There are many reasons why people push for versions of socialism, but "more correct choices will be made" (regardless of what _type_ of decision it is) is almost _never_ something that is supported by the evidence. Also, socialists have this chronic tendency to claim they've done something, while ignoring evidence to the contrary. Communism, for example, has tended to wind up the way that it has, because in order to both mandate sole ownership of the means of production by the workers, _and_ have useful amounts of economic growth, you have to _replace_ capitalism with something else... and the only way to _really_ do that is to hide that you haven't replaced capitalism at all. So, they hid the capitalism by claiming that the workers were "unified" in the manifestation of state & party, thereby applying an accounting gimmick to hide the fact that they had a form of cspitalism the entire time. You can go digging around for other examples all day if you want, but at the end of the day: 1) thermodynamics both literally & figuratively apply everywhere, nothing is obtained without something else (even if something you didn't realize existed) being expended; 2) increased perfection (regardless of what you're making more perfect) results in increased stagnation, because of (1); 3) the wider a requirement is applied, the less efficient it becomes, because poorly fit rules make it more difficult to obtain the desired level of perfection; 4) the larger the group devising a requirement, the less efficient it will become, because differing goals will cause the rules to be more poorly fit, affecting (3); 5) and finally, a lot of the time the "supervisory council" or whatever will make decisions not because that's what's supported by evidence, reality, and everything sensible, but instead for political games, emotions, or to put something that should have no relation to the decision into a better position.

[@seanmcgrath3826]

@@absalomdraconis I largely agree with you. I'm in favor of putting back in some of the more socialist controls we used to have, strengthening the ones we still have (like Social Security, Medicare, etc.) and adding a few new ones (like universal health care for everyone, etc.) but keeping things fairly close to what we've had. I mostly care about evening out the disparity of wealth that capitalism usually leads to over time, and trying to prevent it in the future, which I think most people can agree with

[@trekjudas]

Ok, this episode DOES support your argument the from the Dominion's point of view the Federation and it's allies are soulless monsters!

[@UncleFester84]

I'm ready to bet section 31 planned the whole thing to get the Ferengi in the alliance

[@markvordur]

Nit pick i know but i am sure ferengi ears can the hear the jemhadar coming so the cant be surpriced

[@robertfarrell4972]

Love this episode, it’s hilarious. I saw we weren’t gonna rescue her so I put her out of her misery!

[@reverseBLT]

LOL Did you say, "Insaneway"?

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Vorta and vorta! What is vorta?! They've had zombie tech since the original series. lol

[@Locutus]

Omg, lol, so funny.

[@nunyadamnbidness2531]

Sounds like theyre being petty.

[@necrodukea294]

WTH no Iggy pop shoutout lore?

[@LoreReloaded]

No idea who that is.

[@necrodukea294]

Lore Reloaded iggy pop played the Vorta yelgrun, he’s a musician, here is a trivia excerpt from the IMDB page for the episode. “Iggy Pop's role as Yelgrun was the realization of a personal goal of Ira Steven Behr, who is a fan of the musician. Behr had tried to cast Pop as Grady in "Past Tense, Part II", but their conflicting schedules had made it impossible.”

[@michaelriggins984]

I think that's what they were showing us is what your questioning understand what i mean. Nog wearing the uniform is letting you now that the Ferranige choose the Federation just not voical yet. Fact Federation is more favorable to the Ferrangie Alliance $$$$$ free trade

[@Sephlock]

Can’t the Vorta just use his implant?

[@brianparker181]

It would've been awesome if the ferangi would've joined the war I actually like thier tng warships

[@Marveryn]

I would had mind of they join the war and gave Is some back story on how there warrior culture works compare to the rest of the society. Giving how they started in the first episode they appear perhaps they aren't military per say but individual who are giving warship command if they pay the mangus for the privelage and are more pirates in nature. Ranks in a maurader could be something like the old navies where you had to buy your commishing

[@archades115]

I hate Ferengi --- Keevan, 24th century Vorta

[@Locutus]

Well done for quoting from an episode. Must have taken you hours to find that, and type it out!

[@archades115]

@@Locutus Actually I watched that episode just a few weeks ago. It was a memorable quote and scene.

[@Locutus]

As I said, well done for finding that memorable line. It must have taken you hours to research it, then type it here. You sir are truly remarkable. You are up there with the literary greats such as Churchill, Shakespeare, and Twain. Legendary.

[@michaeldriggers7681]

Lore Reloaded, I love your videos, but you often misuse the word 'infers'. You often use it when you mean 'implies'. No disrespect intended, just constructive criticism! Nog's uniform implies that Starfleet condones/supports and or coordinated the ferengi operation. The Dominion could then infer that Starfleet is behind the exchange and that Starfleet always intended to kill the vorta rather than release him with any intelligence he may have gained while in custody.

[@LoreReloaded]

What are you trying to imply here?

[@michaeldriggers7681]

@@LoreReloaded I knew you were would be a quick study

[@ChrisParlett]

I forgot Iggy Pop

[@LoreReloaded]

No idea who that is.

[@shannonlove4328]

People infer, things imply.

[@LoreReloaded]

What are you trying to imply here

[@depreseo]

Having kidnapped Ishka (the power behind the Nagus) the Dominion were probably hoping to angle a hook where they could take advantage of the Ferengi economy and resources (traded commodities, shipyards, weapons... I mean did you know that cousin Galla had a moon?) Which would bolster that of the recently defeated Dominion and also keep those resources out of the hands of the battered down federation and Klingon alliance. The problem though is that the Dominion would know how insightfull the ferengi are (after all the Ferengi were the first alpha/beta quadrant power to hear of the Dominion because they actually followed up on leads and clues from gamma quadrant visitors, and they established a link with them bybway of a third/fourth party) so their usual "be the benevolent conquor" routine would not work here, so they took a chance and tried to force the FCA to aid them at phaser point. This if course caused them a problem as (as one of the rules of acquisition would likely paraphrase) it left the Ferengi with the aces - the Dominion need the Ferengi, so they won't kill the hostage, won't kill the negotiators, and won't attack ferenginar. So the only solution would be to act tough in negotiations... But by capitulating to Quarks demands (taking the meeting on Empak Not, and sending the jemhadar away at maximum warp) they left themselves in a week negotiation position against a Ferengi with the lobes for buisness. The reason why the federation likely let the vorta go was that even though they would lose some of their intelligence assets they would get access to Ferengi resources (which they would need to repair the fleet) and hopefully get more aid from the Ferengi allience against the Dominion (possibly even a new ally) - after all the federation may not understand the strange alien capatalist ways of the Ferengi, but they've been dealing with them for a while longer than the Dominion and they understand how they operate in negotiations and what the Ferengi are capable of when pushed to a corner (I mean the USS Stargazer was able to take a direct hit from a cardassian cruiser with its shields down and still flee, but the USS Stargazer Vs a Ferengi marauder resulted in the loss of the federation crew abandoning ship = powerfull Ferengi technology)

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

no offense, but you're trying to figure out why a fish can't do math here. The people behind Star Trek have shown a complete innocence and ignorance of anything resembling military doctrine, tactics, and even continuity at times, so you just have to enjoy the show and suspend disbelief that ANY military or wartime entity of any sort would survive more than ten minutes using the tactics and tools pretty much everyone in the setting does.

[@LoreReloaded]

No you dont just have to accept it. No offense, but if you cant see the value in breaking stuff down in this way...the channel may not be for you..

[@norcalprepper7313]

hi

[@LoreReloaded]

Yo

[@donkey0303]

hello

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Hello, there.

[@BrokenEyes00]

Sup

[@LoreReloaded]

..word

[@BrokenEyes00]

Lore Reloaded yes

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

Screw all the inconsistencies! It’s the ultra-libertarian comic relief aliens versus Iggy Pop! This episode is entirely based on the formula of “it doesn’t have to be Real Trek™️, as long as there’s slapstick action, and enough giggles!”

[@irvquills]

it's treason to free your enemies in war you kill your enemies, your father didn't taught you that! Lol