Don't Buy a Car Until You Watch THIS! | How to FACTORY ORDER In 2023

[@CarEdge]

Here are the latest factory order wait times by make and model: caredge.com/guides/factory-order-wait-times-2023

[@Jim-s6i3b]

This has Toyota listed. Toyota does not have Factory orders! Only allocation, which translates to you are not going to get what you want when allocated vehicles with options the dealer doesn’t control arrive at the dealership.

[@Jim-s6i3b]

Unless the dealership gets lucky or gets another dealership with a match transfer it.

[@jacquelined.1611]

This was from over a year ago with very little selection of car makers.😐

[@humbertogonzalez7505]

Would you recommend ordering a vehicle through a broker?

[@daltontrussell5558]

You still don’t pay the destination or freight charge on factory orders right?

[@JWFas]

For added security I would include the following statement on the buyer's order: "[Dealership Name] agrees that vehicle shall not be sold to another buyer without the expressed written consent of [Customer Name]." I've heard stories of customers factory ordering vehicles and placing deposits on them, but when the vehicles arrived they were sold out from under the original buyer to a higher bidder.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Yes, no dealer will agree to that as you can string them along forever, never taking delivery but never allowing them to resell the vehicle when it comes in.

[@DrKnowsMore]

Then add a time frame to it. It's not that difficult. Sell my car that I pre-ordered out from under me and I will sue you.

[@awakeninvestment]

Yea it’s not right for me to pick a car and pay for it and they sell it to someone else

[@healer81]

It's so stressful to buy a car from a dealer, they really need to have an option to buy directly from the manufacturer website.

[@MrOrangeOctopus]

Manufacturers don’t want to deal with customer service. It doesn’t benefit them to implement that.

[@thevinceberry]

congress and your local state government shut this idea down. Because of dealership lobbyists. If this ever happen to all the brands, dealerships are not really needed anymore.

[@thevinceberry]

@@MrOrangeOctopus It does have benefit to them and customer. Dealerships are tarnishing the OEM brand name by price gouging. Why you think Ford tried to implement that but Texas government shut it down. Dealerships lobbying group help shut it down.

[@thehillbillyhermit7681]

I recently ordered a 250 Super Duty and when I went to start the negotiations, the salesman said it's impossible to negotiate the price when the truck isn't built yet and the monroney sticker hasn't been produced. This is exactly the info I was trying to find in research 3-4 months ago. Thank you !

[@thomashunter5645]

You can also factory order a Subaru. I bought my outback that way. I had to wait for about 2 months to get my car. I got a great price, though. They are willing to negotiate a lower price for factory orders because they have less overhead on these vehicles.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

It depends upon the dealer; some will negotiate a lower price for a car on the lot they are already paying plan interest on.

[@tgoods44]

Disagree. I tried to "order" a 23' BRZ at my local dealer. It's an allocation system and it took them 4 months to get my allocation. After they allowed the vehicle to be damaged by hail, they refused to negotiate at all. They insulted me. They had their insurance repair the vehicle that they "own" through a floor plan and planned to sell it to someone else. I had to drive 3 hours away to get a different Subaru allocation.

[@garyryman4947]

I also factory ordered my last two Subarus

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

@@tgoods44 That's that particular dealer, and it's great that they revealed themselves to be the jerks they are. Yes, they are alocated but they can place custom orders WHEN they have an allocation just as with any other vehicle that can be custom ordered. For example, if you try to order an Outback, you can, but the dealer has to have an allocation for one.

[@guitarrise4523]

I can agree with you I just ordered a 2024 crosstrek for my wife and I got exactly what I wanted for $1000 under MSRP. It was a great experience. I can’t say the same for Acura though. I was going to trade my 2019 civic Si in for a integra type S but they wanted $10,000 in accessories and a mark up of $8,000 so I walked they would not move the price at all. It’s been 2 months and the car is still sitting there. I guess no one thinks it’s worth it.

[@wanted-33]

I've ordered every new car (domestic) I've bought since 1986. One thing (I learned a few years back) is that during negotiations I always remind the salesperson that they need to take into account that my sold order allows them 100% of the holdbacks, and 0% interest on the dealers floor plan. Basically let's them know that I'm not some uneducated chump they can take advantage of when making the deal.

[@caydensinger6175]

Can you elaborate on that please? I’m about to order one

[@wanted-33]

@@caydensinger6175 Every manufacturer has a "build & price" section on their web page. Just click on the link, pick the vehicle you want to build, get it done, print it off, and head to the dealer. Just take your time, and you'll get the hang of how it works. Keep in mind dealer lots are full, and you may not be able to negotiate a good deal on a special order. Dealers want to sell the vehicles on their lots so they can get them off of their "floor plan" debt. So you may be able to get a better deal if you can find something on the lot that is close to what you want. Good luck.

[@kybruce1]

Reminded me of my first factory order. As a high school senior I ordered a 1973 Vega GT. Medium blue, no stripes, light saddle interior and automatic. Was about $3k but I traded in my 1970 340 Duster. Was very exciting waiting for it. Picked it up on my graduation day. Unfortunately, doubt many high school seniors today could afford to do this. The Vega looked good, but not a well built car. Traded it three years later on a 1976 Celica GT coupe. One of best cars I have owned. About a decade later ordered a 1985 Dodge Lancer ES 5 speed. Ordered from a family friend who owned the dealership. One of the worst cars ever owned. Throw out bearing went bad in a few months. Engine knocked constantly. Dealer said it must be a lemon, he suggested I paint it yellow. Traded it after six months on a 1984 Chevy Celebrity station wagon. Turned out to be a great car. Love your videos

[@2steaksandwiches665]

Ordered a pilot. Got it writing. Under sticker. They had an allocation for a different trim and just changed it. Also ordered an Alfa Romeo a few years ago. Good experience.

[@Cory69]

honda doesn't allow factory orders. they just can put in a preference for a certain trim etc

[@2steaksandwiches665]

@@Cory69 whatever it was I ordered what I wanted and watched them change the allocation that was for a different trim and color with a defined build date. It’s semantics. I got what I wanted .

[@MollytheReader]

I learned my lesson with a few of the red flags when going through the process of an in-transit Honda. I now know better about dealer add ons, transparency and communication. Sucked to learn but no money lost and I didn't give the dealer my business. I did go to their competitor who had all green flags and who earned my business. Thank you CarEdge for all your help with the process of buying a vehicle!

[@db8980]

Great video. I can't speak about other Japanese brands, but I've owned 3 Subarus and each was factory-ordered with the equipment/colors I wanted, one from Indiana and the other two from Japan. Each time I just configured my build on the website and sent it to the dealer, negotiated an OOD price, and then they ordered it. Emails were the documentation, but after watching this video I see that other manufacturers/dealers don't make the process so simple. I guess I have a really good dealer and must help that I have a history with them too.

[@judih.8754]

We ordered a 21 Crosstrek and it was built and delivered. When it was available we got the VIN.

[@jacquelined.1611]

When speaking about “red flags” and negotiating, you said that if the dealer says they won’t negotiate the price but that’s the MSRP then that’s one thing. What’s the difference, if they don’t negotiate on the MSRP, that seems like that would be a red flag..?

[@BTC909]

Make sure more than one person signs the build sheet / buyers order. Car comes in, only one person from the dealer signs, that person is gone. Your deal was with them which makes it null and void. I've read this happening multiple times.

[@MuniTechnology]

It was 14 years ago, but I factory ordered a Subaru Forester X Prem with a 5 speed manual. 6 weeks later, it was delivered to my office.

[@MuniTechnology]

...and I still have it.

[@robn.5932]

I ordered my Subaru outback from the factory as it’s made in Lafayette Indiana. It took just over 2 months.

[@ScanFan_Ed]

I am surprised that you did not mention the aspect of all the horror stories of dealers selling factory orders to other buyers because they think they can get more money.

[@josephpuzzo1]

Reedmans in Pa did this to me

[@DrDiplMed]

I've factory ordered two VWs, one from Mexico, one from Germany. No hassles, got the supplier discount, but that was before covid. We did the "both parties sign the build order", I think it was a $500 deposit both times, salesman kept me informed on production & shipping. Mexican built car was built in a month, then took four months to get here. Germany built car took two months to build, three months to ship.

[@davidkilian5179]

I’m in Massachusetts at Honda dealer. They still charge $5000 markup and $4000 ad ons from 31k to 41k😮😮😮

[@williamandersen6484]

Best new car buying experience I ever had was in Olathe, KS, 1976. Went to the small, local dealer after dinner. No Chrysler Cordobas in stock, he said he'd order one for me (for fair profit), got out a binder and went through all the options letting me choose what I wanted. Got the car a few weeks later. Happy me.

[@auburnalum9019]

Best car I ever owned was a 2007 BMW 530i that was custom ordered. I was able to order options not listed which was a manual and ventilated seats. I negotiated a nice price under MSRP and absolutely loved that car.

[@XX-166]

Long time ago

[@thosetwodudes]

Bro you factory ordered a BMW 5 series in a manual? That's awesome. I don't think you can do that anymore but good for you!

[@wwonka52]

But I have a Honda with heated seats, A/C, Paddle shifters, backup mirrors, lane departure assist, etc., that I have NEVER used and will never use. We just want a cheap car to go from point A to point B. Maybe in my next lifetime.

[@auburnalum9019]

@@thosetwodudes yeah it was not something they advertised. I think it is still possible for the 5 but nothing in the US. Heck in Germany you can buy a 7 series in manual.

[@auburnalum9019]

@@wwonka52 that is why I special ordered the BMW. I did not want a bunch of garbage on it.

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

I've talked to 8 dealerships, so far, on a Toyota Supra. I learned, back in my 20's, you must always have the mindset that you must walk away from car negotiations if things go sour. They will likely go bad. Now that I've walked away 8 times, I've accepted the fact that I won't get this car. It's a specialty car but prior to the pandemic, they were selling below MSRP. I will still look but my expectations are low. There is no way I'm going to pay 5,000-15,000.00 on mark-ups and pay the tax on the greed of these dealers. All the dealers tell me the same thing, it's in the market we're in now. Not true, some dealers do not add the mark ups but they work on a first come, first serve sales. When dealers tell me that it's just the market, I tell myself OK, there's the opposite side to that equation. I don't have to purchase the car for that price. It's the market we're in. It works both ways... sellers and buyers. The sooner the populace learns that, the better we're all going to be in.

[@waterzap99]

They are going to make that car for many years. You will be able to get one if you want. Besides. The later years of a model are more reliable. They have worked out all the kinks.

[@guitarrise4523]

I had the same issue with Acura. I was going to trade my 2019 civic si in for the integra type s. They wanted $10,000 in accessories and a $8,000 mark up. I ask them to remove some accessories and possibly the mark up. They told me they could not touch the price at all so I decided to walk it was an out the door price of $70,000. Way too much. I hope I can get one sooner than later.

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

@@guitarrise4523 You have a much better ability to get that car at MSRP. I've already seen them at MSRP on lots twice. I already have the 2017 Honda Accord V6 Manual. If I had to get a car right now, other than the Supra, it would be an Integra Type-S. I wasn't expecting the Type-S variant to look that good. If you want that car now, I would expand your purchasing radius.

[@michaelmayerchak7687]

Will agree with other comments regarding ability to factory border a Subaru. I just ordered a new Outback. Not much on the lot at all and most are spoken for before they arrive at the dealership. Factory order is only way to get trim level you want. My son factory ordered a Crosstrek about a year ago. Took about 8-9 weeks

[@MegaAlex010101]

Thanks Zack and Ray as always you guys are on point. Thank you for everything you do.

[@NVRAMboi]

Q: Is it understood or does it need to be specified in writing on the buyer's order that the deposit is refundable, non-refundable, or is to be applied to the agreed upon sales price. ? Never used the process before and looking for holes in the buyer protection "fence" as it were.

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

You CAN factory order a Honda, the catch is they only make the order Quarterly. So if waiting 3 months is acceptable you can do it.

[@Amge55v8]

Yes. Confirmed.

[@philvanloghem6872]

I have factory ordered a 2023 Rav 4 Hybrid, done through the dealer. Have just been notified 'my car' has been built per my options list and it's on a ship now to New Zealand

[@wk278]

These are great tips, they would’ve worked a few years ago, but with the new car inventory where I to at most dealers are not trying to negotiate at all on a build. If the vehicle is sitting on the lot that’s different, it’s costing them money everyday if sits there. Why would they discount a car when they don’t have to?

[@cva1122]

It's an immediate delivery, so they will have no flooring costs.

[@fritzmst3k]

You can do factory orders with Subaru.

[@gbpf57]

I factory ordered my 2013 Hyundai , the dealer wasn't real happy but did it and I got it in about 8-9 weeks.

[@aaronbritt2025]

Yeah, Hyundai dealers don't seem to like ordering cars. I tried to order a Kona EV when they first came out and the dealer told me it wasn't possible and that I should just buy an Ioniq. I walked out.

[@anthonyh1982]

ordered a '24 crosstrek limited from the indiana plant in September.. waiting on November delivery 😄

[@NVRAMboi]

awesome.

[@timschultz2806]

I ordered a Bronco. Negotiated the OTD price. They lowered the MSRP by their dealer fee amount.

[@robbyrocksoo]

How big should the down payment be? Also, what if they take your down payment, and then take forever to deliver the vehicle? Is there a reasonable amount of time they have to deliver in?

[@davidthomas9267]

Last car I ordered was a1971 Ford Maverick sedan - came in all blue was supposed to have white top and blue bottom. Driver's side door dented in. Never ordered again.

[@tevintom251]

Subaru is actually one of the few that you CAN place a factory order at. They have been like this for a long time as well as I have a factory order currently placed with them for a Subaru WRX.

[@NVRAMboi]

Nice to know. Thanks to both you and thomashunter5645. I had thought it was possible with a Soobie.

[@Tokenomics1]

Something to consider with ev insurance... The new design is a battery structure in the middle, a connected rear frame, and a connected front frame. So if the rear or front frame is damaged that can actually be replaced where with ice cars if any of the frame is damaged too badly, the entire car is totaled. Also the battery cells still have full value if the cell block is damaged as the cells can be repurposed to replace bad cells on other cars so the insurance company can easily sell the damaged battery blocks in mass. Also the fact ev's are 6400 times less likely to catch fire than ice cars. All of these things are good for insurance companies. I will concede though, because the BMW i3 has a supercar carbon fiber frame/chasis it is high to insure if you want full coverage from the 1 quote i got for full coverage. But thats not how evs are usually designed. Its more of a concept vehicle.

[@jordans6896]

I've been waiting for this exact 2023 video!!! YAY THANK YOU!

[@gibblespascack1418]

If you can't factory order a Subaru, why do they allow you to build your own on the website? Are they just going to look for one that matches your criteria or are the limits done so well that they will find it in the national inventory?

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

You can factory order a Subaru, at any Subaru dealer. You CANNOT factory order a Toyota.

[@gibblespascack1418]

Thank you...@@VideoArchiveGuy

[@aaronbritt2025]

You can also order Italian brands, but most want you to have bought one off the floor first. At least that's what I was told in the 90's when I was actually shopping. Also, you can negotiate on a special order, but you usually lose any manufacturer rebates. If you listen to the ads on TV they guy speaking really fast at the end usually says, "must take delivery from dealer stock". Ray, if you negotiate that the rebates will be honored, does the dealer add it to their "stock" and then sell it to you? One more milestone the dealer should inform you of... When the VIN has been created. I believe that's the first milestone.

[@petervandenbosch6353]

Bought in januari 2020 a Fiat Tipo station wagon with all the options. The car was made in december 2018. So on paper it was already 2 years old but it was a new car with 0 km. Got the biggest reducation i ever had on a car because it was sitting on the car lot for 2 years. I bought it for 12900 euro, a steal. Now 50.000 km later it still runs good without any problems. Maybe not the builld quality like the VW Golf (my wife has one) but for that price you can't go wrong.

[@russellwhite8890]

Thank you so much for this video. We’re just about to order my wife a car and I needed some help.

[@jimjernigan3670]

How can we convince companies like Toyota to start taking factory orders? It so frustrating that they have a fancy ‘configuration tool’ on their website to build your dream car but then you can’t actually buy that car. I’ve been trying to buy a hybrid Tundra for almost 2 years but can’t get the dealers here to help me get the exact truck I want.

[@sfbfriend]

Why is not putting a deposit up a red flag? I have preordered through a dealer I have used, using the X Plan at Ford and didn't use a deposit.

[@ToddRGuy]

This was really insightful, thank you! I'm planning on factory ordering a 2024 BMW 540ix when they're available, and I've never done that before.

[@hillsidesmoke7592]

What if the dealer says ,nope the only way you can have that particular option is that you must order preferred option package blah blah. That would tick me off big time

[@aaronbritt2025]

Many of the import brands make you move up to higher trim levels to get certain options because they're not really options, just standard equipment for the higher trim.

[@adamk2778]

I factory ordered my subaru forester

[@davebintz1894]

I live in Florida and the doc fee can be $1000, highest in the nation. I'm going to factory order a car, when do I negotiate the doc fee? I know the salesperson will say we can't change it, that's what they charge everyone. My answer will be then take $800 off the price of the car because I only will pay a $200 doc fee. When do I negotiate that in the factory order process?

[@jackschwartz8801]

Last year I ordered a Subaru Crosstrek, because I knew the six speed manual was going away... I got it 7 weeks later exactly as I configured it...

[@markstopczynski5869]

You can 100% order a subaru plan on ordering a crosstrek wilderness end of year beginning of next.

[@MuniTechnology]

It was back in 1999, but we factory ordered a fully-loaded Toyota Sienna. It wasn't located.

[@sanchezdist]

My Toyota was a Factory Ordered. In fact I still keep in touch of the person ordered my car.

[@Paul-gl6xc]

Why does Toyota do a "Build and Price" on their website if you can't factory build?

[@Terry-p7t]

I wandered that too.

[@Jim-s6i3b]

Very deceptive. They do not do factory orders. Had a neighbor thought the dealer had made a factory order , but found out the truth later. The dealer made him think he did. I recently had a discussion with Toyota sales at their headquarters in Plano and they confirmed no factory orders.

[@cormaro13]

It saids that on every website... u idiots want to look at the car and get specs similar then that's why it does

[@marybender5653]

Great Presentation!! I have learned a lot about the car industry....Thanks

[@Murminator660]

I have been factory ordering all my vehicles since 1998 most I paid was cost plus $500 lowest was cost plus $100. Longest wait was 8 weeks shortest was 4 weeks. And remember each and every dealer you are going to you are buying the exact same vehicle apples to apples and trust me 5 different dealers will have 5 different prices they trying to see how much they can get. Reason why I order is I cannot imagine spending 50, 60, 70 thousand dollars on a vehicle and its not exactly what I wanted. I do know a guy every year factory orders a new Ram diesel every year gets at wholesale drives for a year and sells what he paid and orders another hasn't lost a dime for a new vehicle in 7 years always driving a new truck and almost no maintenance no brakes no tires no windshields....

[@melvinjacobs2328]

I was in the car business for 20 some odd years, including as a sales manager for just about all the domestics, and some foreign. The foreign, you just too what they sent you. At that time for domestics, there weren't computers. You filled out an order sheet with everything that was supposed to be on that car. The top copy went to the manufacturer, and the second copy either went to the customer's file of the stock order file. Then you kept track by looking at the computer sheet the factory sent every week, and you can keep track of the order. Very few mistakes that way. A retail order at that time took 6 to 8 weeks,

[@KillerofGods]

They say dealers get something called a floor plan assistance from the manufacturer to help when the car first arrives and so you can try to negotiate a little discount with that... I tried googling this and haven't found any information on it. Is this a real thint?

[@KillerofGods]

They said its only a small amount like a couplse percent of MSRP.

[@davidmelton7773]

You don't talk about that franchise doc fees except that you pay them and they vary.Essentially doc fees are for a dealer doing the paper work to title the car they are required to do this paperwork and in NC most o c the forms are free from the DMV. People need to know this. I've been a NC dealer for 28 years and never charged a doc fee.

[@muffinflowersrvad485]

I've been paying close attention to your videos. I just came into some $ and i want to custom order a Silverado 2500. I have a good friend that works at the dealership here, but I'm going to go to one other dealer tomorrow and see if they'll value my trade and give me an OTD price. Then I will take it to my friends dealer and see if he'll negotiate. I hope I cand get something knocked off. Or a good value for my 2017 Elantra. I may be coming to you folks for the extended warranty.

[@fishmojo865]

I’ve been trying to factory order a new Chevy Silverado HD truck. I’ve been to several local dealers and most will only offer at MSRP. I’ve ordered trucks in the past at invoice. I’m trying to get dealers to sell at $1k over invoice, but not having much luck.

[@Robert-th8ud]

I'm a little confused. You video talks about a build order, for your example was for a BMW. But what about dealers like Toyato that do not have custom builds, just allocations. How do you go about that deal?

[@slowsleeper550]

Just got back from a Chevy dealer and the salesman basically said they have to order at MSRP so there was nothing to negotiate before ordering, no buyers order to negotiate. Until the vehicle comes in, they will apply whatever GM incentives are available then. Pretty lame, so basically are still selling for just MSRP minus incentives, no additional dealership discount.

[@fishmojo865]

I’m in the same boat. Every one will only sell at MSRP. If they are going to a non-negotiable price model, they need to get the inflated MSRP down and offer an extra discount to the factory order process to account for them not having to carry the money for a lot purchase. They seem to act like they don’t even want to sell. Greedy bastards.

[@Art-nh8wf]

I was able to go to our local Toyota dealer in Feb. 2023 and factory order a 2023 Toyota Sienna at MSRP just the way I wanted it. Color, AWD spare tire ect. I picked up the van a couple weeks ago. At the time of order I was told it would probable be until around Oct to Dec for delivery and they send me weekly emails and text messages letting me know they are still waiting and they have not forgotten about me. And then updates on the build and delivery dates ect. The only thing that happened was I only received one key and the second key will ship later. I did some research and found out Toyota has been doing this for awhile because of a chip shortage. I believe the keys won't be in till sometime in the first quarter of 2024. With the way I was treated at the dealership I have no worries that I will get it. Just not happy about only having one key. ( I did receive an extra key that is slid inside the key fob just not the fob.)

[@Jim-s6i3b]

You got lucky. Toyota does not factory order. The dealership gets vehicles based on allocation and have no control over options, only hope or try to get a match from another dealership if possible and other dealer willing to send. I recently had this confirmed by Toyota at their headquarters in Plano. For many years I had a business relationship with Toyota.

[@Art-nh8wf]

@@Jim-s6i3b I went online at Toyota and was able to build the Sienna with the specs I wanted and get a price. I printed it out and brought it to the dealer who ate down with me and ordered it. They told me they do not do dealer mark ups at they do not work on commission. The van arrived just shy of the estimated delivery date. Yes you can do pre orders from Toyota. Maybe some dealers do not want to do it because they want the mark up price. They may have had to stop temporarily because they are waiting for the specs on the 2024 models.

[@miller2529]

I know they have this for many car dealers but I do the BUILD & PRICE setup, now is the price that is shown, is that the MSRP? The dealer is going to show you the WHOLESALE price/cost, correct, because that would give you information to negotiation. When you are going over the out the door price, is there a rule of thumb as to how much you should be looking at to buy the car, like a good price to purchase a car, would be like 10% below the MSRP, I would think that would vary depending on the car/price but is there a percentage you should try or expect?

[@danliddiard]

I was able to factory order my Subaru. It was awesome to be able to get exactly what I wanted. Now I've bought a car that way I don't want to buy a car any other way.

[@jj963963jj]

Always great experience to help us out, thank you

[@eyeofthescar6890]

I wonder if Christine was a factory order.

[@rememberstayangry2366]

That's funny. My 2016 subaru was a factory order done at the dealership

[@davidanddragons5339]

As a salesperson. I wouldn't let them negotiate on the sale price if it's an order. My manager wouldn't let it go down anyway. They and I both know that if they waited approximately 3 months for their car and put a $500 deposit down then they're not going to walk away from it.

[@theamerican4609]

But they could go to the 5 or so dealerships within driving distance. 😮

[@anthonymalovrh2912]

I ordered a 2010 Prius in July 2009. Came in about 6 weeks later.

[@fixpacifica]

I'm in the process of factory-ordering a Subaru Forester. I've talked to two dealerships so far about this, and one wants a $500 deposit, and the other says no deposit is required. After watching the video, now I'm wondering about the second dealership.

[@grayden4138]

Odd that the manufacturer sites all have a "Build and Price" section that let's you build the car the way you want it. Virtually all the Asian brands have these features on their sites, so what is the point of that?

[@aaronbritt2025]

So you can see what it would cost with the options you want. It's purely window shopping.

[@AvengerAngel]

True. Toyota has their "Start you Reservation Now" on vehicles in build process which the dealer has in pending acquisition. It took us less than three months, which, in the scope of many other wait times, was somewhat reasonable. But, people are impulsive and emotional buyers and many customers want to drive a new car from the lot at purchase. So, they settle for other brands. Some with outrageous dealer mark-ups.

[@Jim-s6i3b]

However this is not a factory order like Subaru does. Read above comment on how Toyota’s allocation system works. Toyota states in their policy you are not guaranteed to get the vehicle with the exact options that you requested.

[@genesiscoll3373]

Can you do a video on the differences between MSRP and Factory Invoice Price?

[@markarbuckle8393]

My local Subaru does factory order if your choice is not in stock

[@trevorgwelch7412]

I want my Mercedes painted gold flake with metallic stars .

[@guitarrise4523]

I just factory ordered my wife a 2024 cross trek and I had no issues. So maybe Subaru does not do factory orders in different states. I am in Pennsylvania.

[@franke4057]

Thanks for the videos! You showed a margin of ~20%. Is that a common margin for new orders? Trying to see how much negotiation room there is.

[@texaslovelylady]

Yeah dealerships are probably still going to find some way to take advantage of this.

[@mohtown8751]

I’m new to the car buying experience but seeing that factory ordering a car from a dealer sounds easy, wouldn’t the dealer see you as kind of desperate to own that particular car and then try to the jack the price up even more?

[@cooljoy819]

As a future buyer if I factory order it means I'm willing to wait and I'm not desparate. But I'm not sure what dealers would think. I've heard of recent factory orders taking half a year to complete so I dono.

[@jimgrant4348]

I factory ordered a new Subaru Forester in July and received it in August. Got that one wrong.

[@travelwithdands]

If you are buying a Toyota in the states supplied by Southeast Toyota Distributors, you will buy 2k or more in add-ons installed by them. No choice to leave them off.

[@jjvigilante]

You guys are gold!

[@briantodd4887]

Odd. I just ordered a 2024 Subaru Outback via dealership to factory. Should be here in two weeks 😊

[@SingleStacked]

Please do a vid on the procedure for buying a domestic vehicle using A-plan.

[@cormaro13]

It's sad you're still buying American, good luck lol

[@PassionimageLin]

Subaru of USA do accept factory orders. I did this for my BRZ and Outback

[@shrilsam]

Hi Zack and Ray - thanks for the video. I was told by a Toyota dealer that they can custom build a car, am I being taken for a ride?

[@robertgregory415]

You CAN order ANY model from Subaru.

[@jamesorchard3163]

How much should the dealer discount the vehicle? Buying a Ram 5500 with msrp of $66,365. OTD has $66,365

[@tomtucker4845]

I ordered a Toyota TRD pro in February. The dealer sent me a VIN about 2 months before arrival. We received it 2 weeks ago. And at MSRP. I also ordered my 2010 off-road xterra back in 2009. It took about 6 weeks.

[@Jim-s6i3b]

Toyota policy is no factory orders with the exact options you want. It is based on allocation. You got lucky or they Were able to get an exact match from another dealer who was willing to transfer the vehicle that was a match. 8:59 I have recently had conversations with Toyota’s sales leadership at their Headquarters in Plano, Texas and they confirmed this. Only allocation system, dealer doesn’t control options on allocated vehicles.

[@annv4338]

Guess I was lucky too because I put $500 down on a 2023 Toyota Venza XLE. I told them the interior and exterior color I wanted and no add ons. Picked it up two weeks and got exactly what I asked for. Did have to pay MSRP though.

[@GaryJibilian]

As far as I know, Subaru does factory direct via a dealer. I hope I'm right.

[@cantopenajar2989]

Ordered my Subaru in 2022

[@MeatFests4Me]

Isn’t the dealer saying they need MSRP and not negotiating the price the same thing? I’m confused. Please help! Thx!!!

[@colincampbell767]

We ordered our 2014 Honda Pilot. Has their policy changed since then?

[@JGisMe2013]

This is not all true, i have ordered 2 Asian brands in the last year now. Acura in 2022 and a Genesis this year. Just have to find the right dealer

[@XXnickles]

Which is basically what they said…find a dealer that have allocated something similar to the car you want

[@JGisMe2013]

But i said “order”, not find something similar. I factory ordered both of mines. One took 3 months and the other took 7 months

[@ericl.8893]

Finding the right dealer was the hardest part when we ordered a Honda.

[@mikezak3473]

What about those Hyundai vehicles made in the US (Alabama / Mississippi)?

[@wmMustafa]

It's in theory that you can have the final price on a build order.. but it's always the precieved price on a build order

[@timbeatty11]

As soon as it shows up at the dealership they call you and tell you there is a $10,000 adjustment you have to pay or they will sell it to someone else.

[@faraon2012]

Fuck dealer 😂

[@Teacherinasubie]

You can absolutely factory order a Subaru. Gonna take a while, but my car was factory ordered.

[@judih.8754]

Took us 12 weeks for a Japanese build.

[@Teacherinasubie]

@@judih.8754 same.

[@Ninety9924]

@@judih.8754 I ordered an Ascent in Feb and it came in April, as promised. Now the wait is even shorter.

[@simsakamrgreenthumb]

🔥🔥 needed this vid.

[@jackpalczynski7884]

Subaru does allow customers to order but this simply targets a vehicle in transit. The fact that Subaru options are quite limited means that an order can be fulfilled. If the car was heading to another dealer, do they take that car away before it hits that dealer? Yes. A customer order trumps a car coming for dealer stock. Been there, done that. I've also ordered a Chevy with a supplier discount and a Jeep.

[@jimgrant4348]

Wrong, I ordered my car with specific options, color, etc. The dealer emailed me a copy of the factory order sheet confirming receipt of order and expected delivery date

[@AChav92]

​@@jimgrant4348same here. I ordered how I wanted it and arrived in 4 weeks.

[@jaredhaas4168]

In 2023, I should be able to go online and customize exactly the build I want. And not just packages. None of this, 'Oh you want a rear view mirror? Then you'll need our premium deluxe package with remote start and 360 cameras.' Unless a combination creates a physical issue with production, I should be able to pick every option I want and none that I dont. And then the car should be delivered to my driveway. Instead of dealerships there should just be regional showrooms where people can view and test drive vehicles.

[@t.r.8427]

So basically I can factory order all the junk I'd never waste money on in the first place, but the reliable brands I would like to buy I'm screwed. Yay.

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