Don't Buy a Sailboat Based on a Budget! Ep 182 - Lady K Sailing

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This week we talk about how to chose what sailboat to buy.
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[@DesertDogJournal]

“Once you get sailboats on the brain…well, you’re screwed.”. Yup, pretty much. It is an addiction, but such a wonderful addiction.

[@rodneyjaynes2485]

Loved the pontoon rip! I am 71, I have been putting this off long enough! I will learn how to sail and head for the islands!! The wife says YES!!

[@babyshoemcclanahan]

Ive come to the realization i may never be able to own a house anymore... but fuckit i can afford a sailboat, and thats way cooler anyway! Very little experience yet but saving cash and goal is to have a liveaboard on anchor. I appreciate all the advice you've given.

[@LadyKSailing]

And you can always retire on the boat and travel :) that's my plan

[@sambodi5283]

I'm with you just brought a 39' ferro.

[@chaddeciantis]

This is why I love your channel. I've been dreaming for 15 years.

[@iwilltubeyouall]

Start doing something this year.

[@bravofighter]

Just go for it.

[@Darrylks5961]

Thanks for showing the Sirius 35DS. That’s our dream boat.

[@josephenglish8663]

Good vid. I'm a marine engineer who has a power boat but had an O'Day Day Sailor for a few years. At 76, I think I'm going back to a blowboat. Thanks-Joe

[@ToddMoore1]

my wife thinks Im crazy for watching so many Sailing channels, and my Kijiji alert for boats :) woah, a new lady friend, is she into the cruising lifestyle??

[@svechappe6075]

Growing up on Lake St. Clair on my parents power boats, an annual trip was up the Thames River to downtown Chatham. There used to be a Holiday Inn on the river that had docks for overnight stays. You had access to the hotel grounds and amenities, which included the indoor and outdoor pools. Us kids had a blast.

[@madprof6719]

Some good points. I'm getting to the point in life where I have to get it right first time, balancing that and making sure that I don't end up with a liability that takes away from the experience is quite a challenge.

[@davidpearson2581]

Good advice. The first boat I purchased last Feb 2021 is a 1984 Catalina 25. I paid $1000 for it. The sails were white, outboard runs, Keel bolts had no rust, and the bilge was dry. It is just me and my dog so the 25 is making a great lake boat. Debating if I want to take it to the intercostal for some cruising.

[@moriver3857]

Great advice indeed. I walked away from a boat years ago after the survey, only because there two fairly major repairs done, it was Catal8na 34, and the seller could not produced documentation as to who had done the work and when. The repairs looked it sound, but I wanted to research the reputation of the persons that did the work. So I "wasted" $700 total on survey and launching, as the boat was on the hard, for a sea trial, but money well "wasted". Hey, I saw an McGregor on those motoring pics. I almost bought one when I was looking for a lake boat many moons ago. Nice video.

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

Sir - you do a serious disservice to trailer yachts. They are really quite variable, have many advantages for beginner sailors (racing or cruising), and are minimalist in terms of costs, maintenance requirements and insurances. If you want to keep it simple a trailer yacht in the 6-8m range is hard to go past.

[@crazyhorsetrading8655]

great vid, just what i needed to hear. Boat shopping soon

[@jamesstevens7791]

I sailed one boat my whole life but my mom and dad bought it, I have watched your videos for a couple years. I bought my first boat in December, a new Beneteau. So I’m over the falls on most of the advice in this one but the video still was highly relavent, I’m especially intrigued by the question of which is worse potentially being interrogated by the police for the drunks on my platform, or potential being waterboarded in my sleep.

[@ChevalierDuNoir46]

I've been watching you for years and dreaming of getting my first boat. Going out with a yacht broker tomorrow. Wish me luck everyone.

[@LadyKSailing]

What happened?

[@peterm4475]

Beware the C&C 36. The hull is fully cored and wet / soggy balsa is very common.

[@rainfinger]

Your presentations are very useful to all aspects of cruisers. Keep it up!

[@charlespayne1061]

Thx,z you always give good advice. I can't tell you how many times I had the money in hand but Murphy came along!

[@tomclause9555]

Great vid Tim. I saw the title and was excited to watch! Couldn't wait. Your opening cracked me up. Can't wait for your next one! Is it ready yet? How about now?

[@LadyKSailing]

Hahahah as soon as I have time to make it. Lady K needs all my time right now. So much boat work.

[@tomclause9555]

Amen. Haven't touched my "Gypsy Scamp" yet this spring. Mad dash to splash her.

[@wrenchingandriding3323]

It took six inspections and offers before I found mine. Don't fall in love with any of them until you are sure it's not a money pit. Good video.

[@flyingdutchman1352]

Your first one?

[@callmebigpapa]

Great video as always! I searched your channel and didn't find any videos on twin keels any thoughts on a future video on these? I see them occasionally for sale in Florida.

[@kennethvannorsdall3123]

Sage advice! One of your most informative videos.

[@rossarthur116]

Nothing but good advice. Thanks again

[@johnboy3216]

Man you nailed it!

[@artyspost]

Heard of a top hat 25? Great boats at great value

[@jamesashworth1975]

I like your vibe and your smarts in this! 🙂

[@jwilson2453]

Brilliant!

[@tracystrelau9885]

Beautiful

[@vincentbarkley9121]

Perfect advice. Great video.

[@Crowscratch_HauntedLibrary]

Another great video - thanks!

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

We want to know more about your new Woman! She is cute! What was this video about?

[@Dave-SailsAway]

Good words to the novice who wants to get into sailing.

[@fredmercury1314]

It's a shame the seller doesn't pay for the survey.

[@mattdouglas5570]

Great Great thanks

[@MrAutospec]

I want to buy a rubber boat and go from Bahamas to Miami! Do you think it`s ok?

[@Kb1985reggae]

Hey Tim. I’ve watched almost all of your videos. And all those recent likes are from me. I am currently in the middle of a divorce and ready to take the plunge into this world. But I need advice. Ive almost signed up to your patreon a few times but I’m saving every dollar. But in one video you said your became a surveyor. So my question is how do I contact you for boat advice and I’m more than willing to pay for your opinion and time. And unfortunately I’m under a time crunch. I love your videos and knowledge you share and as soon as things calm down I plan to become a member and pay back all the knowledge you have shared with me. Thanks again and hope to hear from you soon

[@LadyKSailing]

Hey. I don't want to openly share my email in KZbin comments because spam. But if you Google "Thames River yacht club lighthouse cove" you'll find that I am the commodore this year and my email is shown there ;)

[@Kb1985reggae]

Absolutely understand and thank you

[@yellowsubmarine98]

Yay!!! Kaeleigh!!!

[@jmsask]

👏

[@bryrensexton4618]

👍!!!

[@andrewhankermeyer6009]

Any financing for older boats?!

[@LadyKSailing]

I really doubt it.

[@flyingdutchman1352]

Yeah Visa or Mastercard

[@clarencetate3672]

This episode was so informative and enjoyable. My wife and I have been sailing for 100 years (combined) and you hit on every issue we ever encountered, especially the part about waiting too late. We're in our 70's and still love it. Thanks for a great channel.

[@tomclause9555]

Hey Tim, Don Casey wrote a book called "Inspecting the aging Sailboat". I got it on Amazon for $17.00 US. It's 140 pages of inspection advise for the novice. We'll worth the investment if your buying a used sailboat.

[@tomclause9555]

@@charonstyxferryman Thanks for the info. Gotta add that to the library!

[@Sailing.Artemis]

Great video I started with a very inexpensive Catalina 30 Re fit her my self and could not be happier Love your channel

[@Inamorata.367]

I like your vids and they are informative.But when is the sailing going to start back?

[@bobcornwell403]

Sailboats on the brain are like coocoo birds. They push thoughts of just about anything else out of the nest and take over the place.

[@darthhauler9947]

Never a truer statement. 14:16 Being rich isn't about money at all, it's about experiences. You just have to go and do it. My dad was a truck driver and I spent a lot of time with him on the road especially through the summer break. Over the years I got to see and do things that even my teacher's were jealous of and finally got called out on but my parents said was all true. I've been on tons of military equipment and lots of bases, seen the actual Cheyenne Mountain Complex entrance in Colorado Springs(It's almost visible from the interstate if you know where to look), been to see the Sequoia, the Redwoods, and the Petrified Forest, see and been under Mount Rushmore, had snowball fights in July, coast to coast and border to border and even been into Canada by the time I was 16. I've even been sturgeon fishing in Washington state and helped bring in a 48 inch sturgeon that almost got my grandpa's pole when it thrashed and they pulled back and it took off. If I hadn't been holding the pole like a doofus, it'd been gone. I've seen a lot, even seen people die, but there's something about doing something you like and love that can't be beat, especially spending time with your kids. I think that was my dad's happiest time, spending his summers with me on the road. RIP dad

[@saltlessshakedowns4999]

When I started boat shopping I had a list of wants and needs, I purchased a Catalina 30 and it wasn't what I needed or wanted but now it is what I got. I have now spent more on this boat making it fit into my previous criteria than the cost of the boats I wanted... that seems silly to me. But on the other hand I am sailing. I sail over 1200 nm a season and usually do 10 ~12 hour days all summer. So ya, there is that.

[@solarsailor1534]

Hey, you made the dream a reality so you’re doing good by my metrics. You could still be out boat shopping and dreaming longingly at every sailboat you see on the water. The reality of having a imperfect sailboat is still better than the perfect dream boat that’s just a dream.

[@dholmblad]

What we’re your needs which the boat didn’t meet?

[@saltlessshakedowns4999]

@@dholmblad So far the boat has met my needs sailing lake Michigan. My concern is future needs (or hopes) is to go offshore. I would like a diesel, more water tankage, larger battery bank, stronger cockpit-hatch board structure, ability to store the dink on deck, larger scuppers, more storage for additional sails & gear setup for single hand and some additional comforts. I have repaired, added and improved much of these things but I can only go so far. if I never go far offshore I am very comfortable and happy with my Catalina 30.

[@PittwaterMowingAustralia]

Great advice and full of quality information

[@markdanaroth6178]

With much inspiration from your channel I have my first sailboat, (Luger 26 Tradewinds) secured in her slip on Scugog. Thank you

[@toadamine]

stole my first oyster long before i bought my first dinghy within my budget... haha kidding!

[@nailsandsails9767]

Your videos along with many others have encouraged me to get a Catalina 27’ here in Laconner, WA. Catalina”s are like the ‘Acura’ of sailboats. Looking forward to the summer in Puget Sound. Thanks for your efforts. You do a pretty good job at this KZbin thing. Fair winds.

[@GrampalettasCamp]

I would say Catalina’s are more like a Chevy or Ford. The deck- hull joint is fragile and will pop open if you hit it hard. Not a fan

[@WaterTrails]

@@GrampalettasCamp I'm a fan of Catalina's BECAUSE of the hull-to-deck joint, they use about twice as much Plexus as everybody else. Found this out after touring their florida factory, and a couple of other factories of other brands.

[@JJStetson]

Man, you’re at the doorstep to the San Juan’s great place to start your adventure!

[@nailsandsails9767]

@@JJStetson I’m new, but so far it’s been fun. Looking forward to this season.

[@TheBirdmaster45]

My 1st boat was a 1977 O'Day 22 .. It needed some work but that was ok .. Before I could get the chance to put it in the water someone desided to put it on fire in my driveway .. It was destroyed .. So after 5 yrs .. I found a 1984 MacGregor 25 with trailer for $700 .. It needed work but was still able to put it in the water for a day and slept in it over night .. I really enjoyed that .. A few months later I took my girlfriend out for a 3 day trip to the coast .. It was just s fun as my overnight trip .. Earlier this year I found a 1995 Hunter 26 for a Good deal .. Now .. I'm looking at wanting to take it and (girlfriend) now my wife to Florida to sail the Florida Keys for 2 1/2 weeks around February ... Btw .. I'm 59

[@davidlawson5937]

Planning to buy a sailboat with no prior experience in about 4 years. We are a family of 5 and have been fulltime rv'ers the past 4 years. We are used to living in a sardine can and just making it work. At one time we were a party of 8 and made that work, all in a 42' fifth wheel. That said, your idea about starting small and cheap makes sense. Our plan is to live half the year on land and other half in the boat. I'm curious how small of a boat can 5 people can live on for 6 months without throwing someone overboard 😄. Seriously though, we are used to being cramped so I'm fine with starting out small while we are figuring out liveaboard/sailing life. I'm expecting to do coastal cruising or learning in bays in the beginning and then hopefully crossing to Bahamas someday. I'm ok with spending $30-$40k or possibly more in the beginning but idea of super cheap makes sense too if the 5 of us can live on it for a few months each year while we figure things out. Thanks for your vids. I like your approach. Cheers 🍻

[@robertbowen6610]

I’m about to purchase a 26 foot Columbia trailer sailer that will be a lovebourd but movable for the seasons so I can take my motorcycle also I’m also a certified marine mechanic and plan to remove the 300lbs main engine and putting an outboard on a kicker plate I don’t know anything about sailing but I’m studying

[@scottgibbs5903]

So, I’d like your advice. I used to own a Pearson 27 with a friend. We were always out as a group, so I never solo sailed, I want to get back into sailing. The ability to solo sail would be nice, as well as the ability to spend the weekend on the boat, comfortably. Maybe my wife would join me?! I live in RI so the boat would be in a slip. What would you recommend?

[@higamerXD]

so, my old budget 70's sailboat has a full gear of everything you could want for the rigging, in the 70's lota old school clips and mounts. it has all new interior, about 6k in interior stuff, really nice, some bad wood rot and atleast 6 months of daily work to get it motoring. it iwill be, IMO, a nicer boat then anything modern, its an IP24, decently rare in the motorsailer variant. it has a full keel and really flat bottom, its a 2 sided concaved C with a deep keep between em, the keep starts at about 30-40cm bellow the waterline and the angle of the flat side of the hull is about 15 or so, it wont be as comfortable as a modern boat but it certainly looks way better and its really spacious for a boat so small. it can do river boating and ocean storms, not full gale force 10, that would certainly be sketchy but i can survive it! id love to hear more people talk about these kind of weird niche boats like the IP23/24.

[@idzik2007]

I never been sailing but probably for my 1 sailboat I buy 40 footer for like 80k, because being normal is vastly overrated 😀😀😀

[@Pha807]

L-shaped galley vs straight? Pro's vs con's? or just preference?

[@clintontaylor8904]

Great lakes region is a gold mine for cheap sailboats. People get rid of them here cuz of annual hual out and storage fees,can sometimes get a really good boat for just the annual price of the slip and hual out. Problem is then u are stuck with the same annual fees and a short 5 month sailing season unless you hual it or sail it south

[@jcoghill2]

Would you please go over the process of actually financing the boat and the steps that take place doing that?

[@jackiegaudette6225]

Are you planning to Sail to the North Channel ( Georgian Bay ) this summer ?.

[@Tony-i7i]

Chase your dreams while you can Cause your dreams won’t chase you

[@Name-ot3xw]

I intentionally bought a project boat because bored, other than that I needed a boat that both floats and can act as a vacation home around the islands. Went with a 6' draft even though that keeps me out of some of the shallower water. For the next couple of years it's a lake boat, you could argue that I might aught to have bought one of the 20-25' money pits instead of near 40.

[@yellowlightsyndrome9959]

Could you do a video on the shark 24? Heard a little about it but would like your insight on it.

[@garywilcox9115]

Not waiting to do anything is a good thing some of my best vacations were broke didn't wait just did it

[@svtruthandpups.6218]

said Cape Dory it would be a hole to get it home but didn't even show the picture

[@urbannomadslife]

Thanks, great info!

[@scotp6362]

Your comment about pontoon boats was priceless! Love it!

[@bruceweber2361]

Yeah, I'm screwed, Can't be helped.

[@boke75]

My grandma likes your necklace.

[@shainester]

I'm 53 now. Got "sailboat on the brain" about a year ago. I have a 5 yr plan that is now a 4 year plan to own a sailboat on the SE coast. It would be a 2 year plan, but living in Las Vegas makes it a little more complicated. Step one was sell the 23' power boat. Check - did that several months ago. My point is, put together a realistic plan and get it done. See you out on the water, maybe sooner than I think. Great video!!

[@MilesCobbett]

Get that vessel that is in Henderson on Craigslist ?

[@shainester]

@@MilesCobbett I did. Sold it in a couple of hours for about $5k more than I would have thought it would sell for. The market for everything is crazy. I bought it for $30k in 2005 and sold it in 2021 for $26k. Nuts!

[@frankfischer1281]

Excellent advice.

[@andydetweiler766]

Thank you!

[@sartorst3376]

Well said !

[@aaronbarlow7701]

Sold haha!!

[@huslr6266]

thank you

[@matthewkelly5471]

Well done.

[@GrampalettasCamp]

Well said

[@10lauset]

Cheers

[@andysangels1970]

I’ve been sailing and owning by boats since I was 12. I started with a 19foot project day sailer and now I have a 30’ Columbia and a cal 27’ looking to sell off the cal right now but knowing how to sail has been a blessing to my life. I’m 30 this year

[@LaughterOnWater]

Great advice. Right now, it's just boat books... Stay safe out there!

[@kevinkeys3578]

Caught my "bug" at 16 on a 1980 MacGregor 25 - in 1980! On a HOT California lake with zero breeze! Must have been the 105 degrees and rig-rattling that did it! 42 years later . . . I'm still happily "ailing!" LOL!

[@bravofighter]

THIS. I grew up in a yacht club family, but we could only ever afford to go sailing with relatives on their boats. As I got older, I got married and worked two jobs for 30 years straight, and now as soon as I retired, I’ve been told my days might be numbered at the age of 46. I just bought that 22 footer, and getting back to sailing has been on my heart for a while. It’s in decent shape, and I paid $500 for her, and the running outboard is worth more than that, so I didn’t get waterboarded. 😅

[@davidtagliaferri388]

I'm 57 and wondering what would be a good sailboat to learn how to sail on. I live in Jacksonville, FL with access to the St Johns river close to the Atlantic. I have minimal experience on a sailboat. What would you suggest Lady Kay person?

[@dgrantgibson]

My wife and I have just taken ownership of a 1983 32’ C & C following the passing of her brother in January. The more we are around it we want to take it out and enjoy it, and not sell it! And we are NOT sailors! It seems to ‘grow on you’ the more you realize what it offers. Dang, I might even take sailing lessons soon!!!

[@richmeister1960]

Thank you, from the UK. In the future I will be looking for a 24 to a 28 footer for my first boat, have you any information for British or European small boats? It may be interesting enough to do a vlog on the subject. I can do some research for you, I have no vehicle at the moment but I have a computer with internet and I have some time on my hands. Take care.

[@jomelnk7899]

This one was good enough to make me subscribe...Nice Job..!

[@christinec1928]

Tim, your advice is spot-on as usual. I'm back in the market for a boat and the past few weeks has left me, as a first time boat buyer, with a few take-aways you don't mention that don't really have anything to do with the choice of boat. 1. There are boats at a great price on the hard in locations not on the water. The cost of moving a non-trailerable boat to water is not worth the savings. 2. I'm going to stick to local-to-me bodies of water. I have no easy way to get a boat from Lake Simcoe or farther down to Lake Erie or Ontario 3. A lot of sellers who have splashed their boats are including their slip costs for the summer. If you're not keeping the boat at that club, you might end up paying twice. So I'm narrowing down the search to my local YC's and marinas. Now to find the boat I want "in the best shape" I can find. Thanks! BTW, your river cruise looked like a blast.

[@MrJamesdean435]

Great advice You have a great deal of knowledge, this was very enjoyable, thanks

[@randyadams4054]

I want to get into sailing but have zero ideas about what certification and courses are needed to start. Im a Canadian. I would love a video of how you got experience and training. Love the channel btw.

[@tomelerding1399]

Another straight to the point(s) video. I agree with every point you make. Not that I did that years ago when I bought my boat! I joined a sailing club, they taught me to sail; I rented their boats up to their largest (28 ft). Did that for a year or so, while I did my research and decided what I wanted. Then ordered a new one, a Catalina 30 tall rig. Had it for 17 years. It was perfect for what I wanted to do.

[@JonathanVanVuren]

Buy a boat for the sailing you’re actually going to do is great advice. Being able to easily head out for an evening sail is great. Our schedule with little ones means that the most consistent sailing I do is from 6am-8ish Saturday and Sunday - Dawn Patrol!

[@AmyMrsR]

just

[@mackenziebrewing8706]

Just a simple thought...you bring so much insight i should pay you!

[@TheFalconJetDriver]

I must admit you offered sage advice chase your dreams! If you do not you will always regret it until that final day!

[@zukkiboy]

Hey Tim Dave here, have a serious question for you. I had a hughes 35 with the pilot house. Anyway, I have an interesting prospect here. Send me a dm plz

[@LadyKSailing]

Hey Dave. Where do you want me to dm? Do you have fb?

[@zukkiboy]

@@LadyKSailing yes

[@LadyKSailing]

Can you send me a msg on fb? To lady k sailing

[@zukkiboy]

@@LadyKSailing sent to Tim L

[@AndrewTheCelt]

Always informative and always appreciated

[@matthewhecht6580]

Some of the best advice I have heard on KZbin in a while. Thanks.

[@tomshedd3067]

Love what you said makes you rich

[@kevio6868]

Thanks for sharing. Great advice