DON'T BUY AN AXE // 3 PAINTBALL GUNS UNDER $300 YOU CAN WIN TOURNAMENTS WITH

[@mbr_radio8564]

Where tf you seeing these prices. Geo 3’s are going for around $600

[@log5925]

He prob meant used im guessing

[@coleallenlife1059]

Fr

[@ijuswannatlk2sampson889]

Thank you. I’ve taken a 13 year break but I’m getting back into it. I feel like others are as well. I was about to buy a dye rize czr but I spent $100 more and I got a vicious ego 10 because of your advice. I always wanted an ego. I watched this video, did some research, found a great deal. It should be arriving today. Can’t wait to get back on the field. Subbed!

[@notjoeyg666]

im in ur same boat getting back into it. loved my old ego's gonna try n get one

[@mindaril]

Totally agree with 98% of what you said in the video. What wasn't said is the cost of keeping the older guns up and running or getting them to run when you buy a used one online.

[@raymondrazack4773]

Realistically though. Some of these older guns aren't new player friendly. I agree with don't buy an Axe as your first speedball marker. Or a mini. Or anything empire at this point as I've been running into a lot of issues with quality from newer empire markers. But some used midrange guns like a gtek (not 160 or 170r), dye dsr, iv core geos, or old egos are some of the most solid and reliable guns out there. Not to mention so user friendly and at a point where the designing for markers at this point have already topped out. You get everything you would on your high end gun for a fraction of the cost, and still make players wear it.

[@pvegod1484]

why not gtek?

[@TheDeeMoe]

The Rory impression was spot on bro 😂🤣 dope vid fam

[@WillBallForSoup]

Nailed it in ONE TAKE 🎬

[@finallyholdingontoletitgo1607]

I’m in the market for an older gun but it’s like trying to find that needle in a haystack. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@JK-kz1ef]

Same

[@finallyholdingontoletitgo1607]

@@JK-kz1ef I found a really well taken care of ego on eBay but it needed some parts so I got it at a steal.

[@Menachiball14]

Anything ego 11 and above etek 4-5 gtek 160r or 170r dude ask someone that has one to try it out our community is family

[@arroyo_Lt0]

Vanquish!

[@osbaldosandoval269]

Starting a field and ya been trying to find some markers that are cheap and good for rental players but it’s hard

[@joshuabeaman2727]

i bought a new freak kit for $220. you got a whole gun with a whole freak kit for $250. that's some shit right there

[@MrMalicious5]

2nd hand market is the way to go if you know what you're doing.

[@jakegeffen5453]

Bro a used axe is one of the most underrated guns

[@grimironfoot1259]

Stay Safe out there man. Love the video's, but I totally agree.Older markers are better bang for your buck than the pricing on new mid range markers.

[@dboom0088]

Put a virtue board if you can find it in the ion it will rip!!!!!

[@indyballer1045]

The OG Axe will forever be my favorite marker, don’t know why but it’s been my favorite shot of any marker ever. However, I totally get your point, and for the majority of people, I wish they’d take your advice more.

[@lawrenceduck9122]

I was just wondering if I should pickup an of axe. I have an emek and want something full metal, but never getting rid of my emek. I have 300 dollars so the axe is in my budget.

[@indyballer1045]

@@lawrenceduck9122 I’d go for it. Emeks are also easily my favorite mech marker, so I’m glad you’re not getting rid of it. The Axe would be a perfect electro marker in that budget. Search around on eBay or in paintball b/s/t groups on Facebook and you’ll probably be able to find a nice used one in the ~200 range

[@lawrenceduck9122]

@@indyballer1045 thanks for the reply! I think I would definitly buy one for 200. I’ll be looking. I really want a high end gun but i know that’s not a good decision yet since I’ve been playing for 3 years but only really got into the sport over the summer. So not really ready for something I need to take care of.

[@pvegod1484]

@@lawrenceduck9122 emeks are cool as fuck man. id much rather see a cool looking quirky emek than a boring old high end same old shit lmao

[@skylled2511]

Hey, cool informative video. You really convinced me... Unfortunately, paintball is not very widespread in Germany, so it is almost impossible to get hold of a model that is no longer in production. I will probably stick with my Axe 2.0 instead of the Vanquish 1.5. But if I had had the opportunity, I would have taken it. Thank you

[@BigmanBrando]

Vanquish 1.5 is one of the most underrated markers of all time in my opinion

[@bradbroome8542]

Snagged a Luxe 1.0, and a 1.5 with a virtue OLED board for almost $500 shipped, took about 2 days to clean/tune and they both rip as good as my X 👌🏼 Awesome video Soup!

[@kendrickalejandre1945]

whered you find that?

[@sergiovardanyan4285]

I’m not gonna lie, as a PE fanboy, that vanquish looks nice

[@Travis_661]

The vanquish are great markers throw that V16 bolt system in it and it's butter!

[@juicred1]

Great gun for anyone looking to get into tourney ball for cheap

[@lehiwakahana-travis6747]

but he said its cheaper then the axe 2.0 but when i looked its not lmao

[@bennettbush3906]

The disrespect...nice.

[@IVetrone]

@@lehiwakahana-travis6747 used it is

[@daltoncady4038]

Had I known the prices of the Geo 3’s, I probably would’ve picked that up over an axe pro 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Free__Shipping]

Very helpful video bro! Havent played in over 10 years and I'm just getting back into it. Thanks for the info!

[@corylane3000]

Good advice. As someone who stepped away at the time the OG axe came out, i almost bought a new 2.0, i found a LV1.5 for 600 lol

[@danyabsley]

That geo 3 sound brings back memories. Man. I’d say it’s a shame I live in Australia now but I surf every day instead.. win some ya lose some. Cool video ✌🏼

[@WillBallForSoup]

I just picked up a Geo3 with iv core and the sound signature makes me hard. I love hearing from international viewers. Thanks for watching my dude. 👀👀

[@KaPPy83]

@@WillBallForSoup I've been searching & can't find 💩 for the prices you mention.

[@WillBallForSoup]

@@KaPPy83 sometimes man you just have to be in the right place right time. My 8.5/10 condition iv GEO3 was $350 cash, local pickup.

[@KaPPy83]

@@WillBallForSoup dude, I've been looking on ebay, fb, Offerup, Craigslist, & I ain't finding any of the guns you recommend close to those prices. Or I'm seeing anything available.

[@MrMalicious5]

@@KaPPy83 Used market prices are all jacked up right now but there’s still deals out there. I just picked up a very clean LV1 for 440.

[@ppeeepp]

I definitely agree I tell everyone who asks me what starter marker to get I tell them to hit thr used maker scene

[@drop_down1989]

The dangourus power g4 is also a pretty good gun I use it and it's got a nice trigger aluminum body and a nice shot signiture and you can find them for about 250

[@christopherstewartjr2435]

Scotty thank you again for your knowledge and input on that. I'm glad someone came out and said that about that axe. I couldn't agree more. I also have to agree that you hit EVERY angle to the T in my opinion about buying an older high end marker that can still be used in tournaments still today. Than, a more newer mid level marker. I went that route that you explained and honestly that's one of the best choices I have ever made. I purchased a dye dm12 for $250 3 years ago and a 2008 eclipse ago for $200. Both flawless and both still do just as much if not MORE damage than current mid to high level and markers today. They still turn heads. They always ask what I use and as soon as I tell that. They always laugh give me a fist pump and say you that old school. They shoot like butter ( or something along those lines). Honestly the other view I have which you may or may not agree. But this is just my view. If you remember brass eagle back in the day they made guns at first nothing tournament savvy but ok solid. Toward the end of brass eagles run they started selling to Walmart and making there guns more cheaply made. I believe that is what's happening to the mid and low end empire markets in my opinion. But I just wanted to say thank you again for an awesome video. Please keep them coming I always enjoy watching and learning as well as getting different views and onsite from your videos. Thanks again Scotty your awesome

[@WillBallForSoup]

That's similar to what I run. DM11 as main and Ego7 as a backup. Thanks for taking the time to write me a paragraph of love. You're a real one

[@christopherstewartjr2435]

@@WillBallForSoup bro your the real one taking the time to do these videos. I need to be thanking you

[@thesteinmanclan]

Personally, I would take the Etha 2 over a geo 3. Ease of tear down and rebuildable solenoid are enough to sell me on that. Used you can get them for less than a geo 3 too.

[@ShinkiZer0]

Same reason and no macro line. I bought my whole set up, used etha 2+ spire 260+ ninja cf 68/45 for 250 lol cant pass that up.

[@aggferret5364]

Shinkiro that is the deal of the lifetime

[@ShinkiZer0]

@@aggferret5364 it is. I ended up buying a used emek set up as well for back up and mech/rec play. I have so much money left over bought push mask, pods/pack, pants and cleats.

[@aggferret5364]

Shinkiro damn why did you buy a push mask shoulda got a proflex push mask a overpriced and don’t look as kewl

[@Jjvic69]

​@@aggferret5364 I disagree. They may be expensive but the black sandana edition looks agg af

[@drewkroeker]

Only caveat with older guns is that you may have trouble finding parts, I know that solenoids for older egos and geos are expensive and hard to find these days.

[@HellJumperPB]

I currently have a Axe 2.0 and it's an awesome marker. It looks nice. Shoots as fast as the other stupid expensive markers. Changing firing modes. Easy pull bolt out system. Guys you don't need a Cs3 or a Lv1.6 and stuff. Don't listen to this guy about that. A axe is a really great marker. His Axe was probably bought from a garage sale then.. 😳 Lol good video bro 👌

[@jakeh9027]

The Axe sucks and is to small. Get a used 170r or a DSR plus and you won’t need another marker.

[@HellJumperPB]

@jakeh9027 thanks for the suggestion but my axe has lasted me 3 years already. Maybe when I get the money

[@xzavierrojas3615]

I bought an Etha 2 the beginning of this year I love it but thanks for the info I appreciate it it shows what to look for that older and better thanks once again

[@micahzans6100]

How do you like it?

[@xzavierrojas3615]

@@micahzans6100 it’s been great throughout the year it only broke paint because I lost my ball detents but that’s my fault other that it’s a really good marker if your beginning for speedball or wood all I would highly recommend it tbh

[@micahzans6100]

@@xzavierrojas3615 thank you, right now I have a passed down OG invert mini, and that’s the gun I’m looking at getting, I just want to see what other people think about it

[@xzavierrojas3615]

@@micahzans6100 if your familiar with the mini then the mini Gs on won’t be different not in a bad way good because you’re getting the same plus I think it comes with a OLED board on the grip so it’s not a bad choice I choose the etha because of the gamma core it’s a work horse tbh it’s also I got for the length the etha is a bigger also the way to replace a battery is easier than the mini GS also the bolt is easier to take out as well these are my reason why I got the etha it was mostly for the gamma core but it’s up to you sorry for the opinion

[@micahzans6100]

@@xzavierrojas3615 thanks for the info!

[@dylanjoseph6010]

I dont agree with this message IF you are targeting this towards beginners, because to give a new guy a 10 year old gun, it can be a nightmare for them if things go wrong with it and can be put off the sport.

[@tombrown3072]

I had got a first gen Proto Rize basic brand new for $200 even when they first came out. At that point, it was my first speedball gun and I had an awesome time playing with it. While yeah, I'm amazed they could charge what they do for the CZR, that platform initially was reliable and functionally sound for that 200-250 buck range.

[@k.t5529]

Right now it’s July 6 2020, I’m still shooting ropes with my dynasty ego ten.

[@alexlogsdon9519]

the only issue i see is that a lot of the spots near me don’t always sell the older guns like that and find used ones is really spotty some times and finding replacement parts can be a problem to

[@alexnavarro7078]

The funny thing is I am behind the scenes when Rory films 😂🤣 I work right next to him customizing guns 💪🏽

[@WillBallForSoup]

I love doing Rory impersonations. It's all in fun. ANS is the best online retailer we have and I get it

[@zin145]

thx to your video, picked up a GEO3 and TFX hopper for $405 over the Etha 2. keep it up man

[@donttrip1488]

Where did you buy it from

[@zin145]

@@donttrip1488 ebay. just looked around for a deal and bargain.

[@donttrip1488]

@@zin145 thanks man

[@Tidaly]

Nice to see you back to making vids, this video helped me soo much bro thank you.

[@Jericho27]

I decided to try and get a nice(decent) marker at my affordable price. I was able to get a nice Ion for cheap, a nice hopper, and an airtank for cheap. I spent under $300 and now have a very reliable, tuned to 10bps with first hand at firing it at its top 17bps, efficient and beautiful marker.

[@WillisWoods]

“But with Empires reliability” 🥴. Yeah, I’m not sure I can agree with you there.

[@XxTraGiKzx]

Ive had numerous Axe's and my friends have had multiple over the past 5 years or so and we never had a single issue. Plus, I know someone who had an issue with an Empire marker, they sent it to Empire and a few weeks later he got his marker mailed back to him with the issue fixed and they didn't even charge him. From what I have seen, they def are pretty solid and Empire from my experience has been a good company on the customer service side as well

[@RCSPaintball]

I can say older dye guns are great. imo dm9 to dm13 are amazing for pretty cheap

[@WillBallForSoup]

I almost had a nib dm12 for $250 but he decided to keep it

[@davidzambrano9879]

I personally just bought a Luxe Ice. Before that I had bought an Azodin Evo 2, truly a difference in quality and I should have made the investment sooner towards the luxe.

[@derrickleach9783]

Only thing to keep in mind, is the older the gun gets the more expensive the parts become.

[@Qejee]

maintenance is key honestly, even though sometimes unexpected things break! and you are very correct the older the harder to repair sometimes

[@MuadDiiib]

Not really.

[@pvegod1484]

shooting a 10 year old geo 3 still rips no problem, can still find a noid new straight from planet

[@kurtismaendel2507]

Hell yeah u still play at wild west I'm in pheonix Arizona right now and I've been playing at wild west the past few weeks it's pretty fun

[@jon_w8469]

Watched the video, thanks for the heads up. I agree with DeeMoe on the Rory impression 😂

[@cmadore37]

I agree 100%, Picking up a DM3 use to use it back in the day when I owned and operated Elementz Paintball (Canton New York) and Franchise Owner of Cornwall Royals in the CXBL in 2005. Also looking to get a DM5 as well. Been out of the sport since 2006 and jumping back in head first...

[@WillBallForSoup]

You'll be shocked that modern guns don't need a LPR to shoot as smooth as an OG dye matrix. Check out the M2 for $500 used or maybe a DM11 for $300 if you want OG with an LPR

[@zackzittel7683]

Hope you didn’t get that DM5 giant double stack pregnant salmon lookin dinosaur

[@30JayTee]

Where do you find these markers for that price? Everywhere I look they’re like $500 and up

[@hookedbythebarb7921]

Same with me

[@jaseybot]

That chipotle at the end thooooo

[@WillBallForSoup]

Chipotle with the legend Mike Urena and Sebastian avocado from elevation pro

[@erickarellano997]

great video alot to think about. I'm def a dye guy and have always wanted a DM when I first got into the sport. I still actually own my 2012 proto reflex rail and recently brought it back to life to get back into it but will be looking for a upgrade to make my proto my back up gun.

[@dhazell14]

Definitely think that old high end is better I bought an m2 for $400 and it is the bestttttt

[@indy022087]

Bought a PE 170R new and am not dissapointed.

[@deeganmason8624]

I had a one of one inception e-cocker and I sold it and bought a 170r. It’s so smooth and the best gun I think I’ve ever shot

[@downtownaustin3690]

Geo 3 with a Ego 9 as a backup is literally to die for

[@WillBallForSoup]

I've played more events with an ego9 than any other marker.

[@downtownaustin3690]

WillBallForSoup Ego 9 is undoubtedly one of the most slept on guns by Planet Eclipse.

[@justvincent815]

i looked online for the vanquish 1.5 and it was 1000 and not 250

[@Qejee]

Market is a pile of shit rn everything is so expensive rn

[@salmanilla2000]

Great video. I’ve had a theory that mid-end guns can keep up with high-end markers. So if counting LED lights isn’t a big deal, mid-end guns would be a great choice.

[@MatthewGarrett22]

Of the guns you mentioned (vanquish 1.5, DM9-11 and the G03) which would you pick overall? Take out price and the potential deal on one vs another. Which marker would you prefer? Thx in advance and love your content!

[@lanceregan3400]

i have an Axe 2.0 i picked up a 6 months ago for 350 on black friday sale, good deal and ive been fragging with it, might pick up the freak xl barrel kick

[@jackboone7369]

Do companies have Black Friday sales thinking of buying a proto rize czr but kind of expensive rn so I want to wait for a sale

[@lanceregan3400]

@@jackboone7369 its the website or store you get it from

[@jackboone7369]

Lancy10 thinking of buying it from empire dye or planet eclipse

[@lanceregan3400]

Jack Playz any one will work, aim is key too tho

[@jackboone7369]

Lancy10 idk really what to buy for 300 I want a dye proto but like the proto czr is the updated one but a little over budget rn I’m still trying to find new ones

[@minihoog9327]

I mean, you're comparing buying a brand new gun that's in the mid range to a used gun that was once top of the line. I'd agree that the Vanquish 1.5, DM9-11, and Geo 3-3.5 are better than the counterparts presented in this video, but a brand new player may 1. Want their own brand new gun, 2. Want the peace of mind in a warranty, or 3. Be uncomfortable buying used. This advice may be better for someone who was once in the sport, took a hiatus, and then came back because they know how to tech, and have probably bought used or sold their old gear in the past.

[@zkacyy]

recommending used gear to a new player is the best way to get to leave the sport early

[@WillBallForSoup]

Thats's true. There's going to be hickups with used gear. But everyone should learn some basic tech skills. Having a couple blown orings or a gun out of tune isn't the worst thing in the world it's a fun project.

[@ShinkiZer0]

@@zkacyy after renting so many times finally decided to buy my own gear and i was adviced to buy used. Bought used etha 2. No PB tech experience but i did full maintenance to it with youtube help and it was so easy. nothing wrong with it i was just adviced to do it since its used and i get to know it. Lol was very impressed bought used emek for backup. Etha2+spire260+ninja cf 68/45=250usd and used emek with pops+cf 68/45+ PAL loader=200usd. Left over money went to mask+pods/pack+pants+cleats. Best deal of my life =)

[@E20074]

Where does he find these for under 350 I only see them for like 700

[@D33JAY5]

This video popped up and I figured I'd comment. I took a 3 year hiatus from paintball starting in 2019. At one time I had a 1of1 luxe ice and luxe x, a tokyo cs1, twister lv1, dragon g6r, a wgp karnivor, and a modded trilogy. Sold everything and of course lost my ass in sales. Fast forward to recent. Picked up another trilogy for cheap (have a soft spor for them) and picked up a dm13 for $150 that just needed new Orings and reg seats. Picked up a new tank and a dye ltr. Have maybe $400 in the whole setup and run with the best of em on 3 man days. You don't have to spend thousands on setups to have fun.

[@WillBallForSoup]

Prices are way different today than when I made this video. Older DMs are still a great value. $150 for a dm13 is a steal! It's worth $325. It sucks that eclipse stuff skyrocketed in value, but other MFGs still have great deals.on the used market.

[@D33JAY5]

@@WillBallForSoup yea prices for stuff is a little outrageous now. $550 for an etha? That's insane to me. But you can still find some used stuff for a good price. Especially if you don't mind putting in a little TLC into it. That's half the fun for me now anyway..lol

[@klassic9852]

2015 Guns are some of the best deals and performance, can pick up an Rsx for 300-400 bucks, Dm15s, same price point, etc.

[@BigmanBrando]

Great vid bro I subbed and pressed the bell keep it up man

[@Natedogmora]

Love the vid man. Gotta say though, I got a used Etha 2 for $200 shipped. Best deal in paintball right now, and it’s such a simple gun. So reliable. PE quality, it’s like a glock lol. Its def a good back up gun

[@WillBallForSoup]

$200 for an Etha 2 is sick tough choice between that and a $300 geo 3

[@shotbycjk]

20k!! Put in my ticket for the giveaway! Congratulations brother

[@TheNovice305]

I’d just save up a little more and get a M2, CS1, or ICE. Empire has always been crap to me and I won’t ever use my money to get one

[@brasensei7117]

Dude I bought a axe 2.0 for $300 I just couldn’t pass that up n that shits amazin

[@WillBallForSoup]

There's nothing wrong with it bro. But you could do better. Like I'm just expressing my preferences.

[@Ryaruba]

I loved the choices but u forgot 1 thing only dye has a lifetime warranty ,thus will have original parts available fot thier older paintball guns. Planet eclipse drops thier older guns thats why i sold mine and got a dye

[@danielacevedo4794]

Great 👍 video all facts bro, but ever since I owned my PE lv1 I can't find a way of letting go its my go to paintball marker. Maybe one day I'll pick up a geo 3.

[@chrisbowman5684]

Eh I disagree there. I've been using a dye rise csr for a year now and I love it. It shoots extremely well and the quality is good. The only down side the the process of going through the programming of the gun instead of having a visual representation like a screen

[@shane_world2033]

thank you for the video ball this is great recommendation, I've been picking up older paintball guns from pawn shops and local paintball shops and getting the ones that had issues to work again. i got a mint Angel SB pewter and modded 2003 pro-stock cocker for 240$... an Etha 2 with an HK UL 68/4500 for 260$... Etek 3 with Dye Rotor and v force mask for 170$... steals.. simple fixes like leaking on/off o-ring or the macro line fitting was screwed into the on/off too far so it was preventing air from flowing fast enough through the gun, i took it off and put more tape on the threads and the gun shoots flawlessly 25bps.. the Etek 3 had a bad cup seal in the LPR piston and i just punched out a silicone circle from a dab container lid with an antenna tube and replaced the broken seal with that silicone and it works flawlessly... the detents were melted from the last owner leaving paint inside the chamber for years but simple maintenance got it going. they just forget about it because they want money to get other things then get out of the hobby in total. the dude got his cocker fixed for 200$ and he didn't answer when they gave him that price.. i got a deal.. look out and ask your local shops for paintball gun used.. they will have shit laying around...

[@WillBallForSoup]

Man the Angel 1 was one of the guns I wish I could get working when I had it as a kiddo. A sponsored player sold me his $400 under retail the same year they came out. Brand new. Dust olive. Sadly it just never shot right and no local techs could troubleshoot it. I think one of the issues was the breach kept flapping open! I avoid angels today just because I never learned how to tech them

[@shane_world2033]

@@WillBallForSoup i looked into the angels and seems like they were quite flawed with that rotobreach seal swelling and bolt stick, and the over complications that lead to the demise of the brand, when the last gun they developed eliminated that issue and they went out of business before more people could get their hands on this SB version and the true Angel went down with the rest of the ship..its even got a self cleaning eye system where the eyes turn themselves off and the bolt actually blows air at them and cleans them off and turns them back on.. was this the first marker to accomplish this or was this no new technology in 2007-2009? anyways i just need detents for the future, but if anything went wrong with it it would become obsolete instantly lol.

[@shane_world2033]

the LPR was inside the body and the only way to adjust it was to add or remove shims.... flawed. beautiful milling but c'mon.. serviceable plez

[@WillBallForSoup]

@@Smokefools6691 if it ever happens I will stay true to my word. Pending I don't off myself first 🤠

[@Smokefools6691]

@@WillBallForSoup please don't do that. If you need to talk to someone please do that. I've been there and it's no the answer.

[@chrisperrault835]

Good info for some people whom cant afford new.... keep the good video's coming

[@zkacyy]

still would reccomend buying a new axe 2 than an older late "pro" model

[@XxTraGiKzx]

I will never buy a marker new tbh. The fact that you can find high end markers that have less than 20k shots on them for a couple hundred less just makes more sense to me. DSR's/170r's for example you can find for $500-$600 barely used but new they are ab $900.

[@thomascee]

I thought you would throw the OG GTEK in there as well. I’m new, and I own the CZR, but never again will I purchase a new marker. It’s nice, but I’m seeing these classics at the field and on BSTs now, what incredible values. Looking for a GTEK for my sister (Gamma core would be ideal for her)

[@WillBallForSoup]

I actually owned an original GTEK and had no issues with it. At the $300ish price point I still think the GEO3 is a much better performing marker. Take a peek at my newest video.

[@thomascee]

WillBallForSoup Oh nice I’ll go check that out! I just figured it was the whole IV vs Gamma debate and those were both some great OGs of both bolt designs. Will go watch your other vid right now 👌🏽

[@denverpurgepaintball7147]

funny how all the dye hoppers jam 🤣 virtue all day baby🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@signalmeh]

my EM7 is the smoothest gun ive shoot. love the old dye guns + being able to tune your gun to its full potential

[@WillBallForSoup]

Dude EM7 is such an underrated private label marker although people are finally figuring it out and prices went up quite a bit recently.

[@jeffreydohmercakes]

My axe 2.0 is so messed up sometimes you pull the trigger and it shoots 3 balls instead of 1 it used to not work you would have to pull the trigger like 10 times for it to shoot it’s my back up and the people I give it to says it works great but I just play woodsball love your vids and your voice is soothing 👍

[@bennypaddycake7182]

etha 2 owner here. I love etha 2. just got back into paintball after 14 years and wanted to have a marker that easy to maintain & similar to the 170R. this "plastic" you bash about is the same material you find in some real guns.

[@CreepinCreeper01]

I wouldn't want a real gun with that plastic either

[@ChrisRobertson09]

@@CreepinCreeper01 hahaha

[@k.t5529]

Also I love the vid bro keep up the real content

[@DeathToTheWicked3]

I'm having my friend send me my old '05 Free flow shocker. I mostly ref now and really want to coach a team but i wouldn't mind using this old marker to play around a bit. The newer guns are really cool though. Personally, I don't see the point (and never did) of buying the latest and greatest thing. Usually, there is a few rich kids at every field that buy a marker use it for a month, and sell it for way less than what they paid for it.

[@BigG344]

The AXE is a great gun for reck ball players just having fun. But for tournys you need a high end gun. Doesn't have to be a brand new Luxe or CS2 but you need something more. The Gtek 160r and 170r are GREAT guns and only run $700.

[@jackfrost2978]

The most important thing a newer / budget player needs. Is reliability. If your already on a budget. Nothing is worse then your stuff not working / working horribly. You make some good points. Overly simplified interface with electronics is annoying for sure. So is getting a used gun. Only to find out it was being sold for cheap for a reason. Old O rings that might be hard to find replacements for. Not having the right lube for that older gun. Guns that have a lot of tuning options. Letting the players, in their ignorance; make adjustments that make the whole gun perform much worse. It is easy to make bad adjustments because you don't really understand the pros and cons and overall synergy of the adjustments. As annoying as it can be to use blinking lights. Players messing up their own guns is more annoying and harder to figure out. Players is understand that their gun is not working that well. But won't know which adjustments are causing the problems. If an older gun uses a rechargeable battery. That battery will eventually not work very well. As far as the feel of plastic. I get what you are saying. I would ask. Are you seeing the plastic parts breaking more then the metal parts? While the plastic parts won't feel as good. It does not mean they are inherently bad. In my journey. I bought 3 high end guns over several years. Each one shot amazing for several months. But all of them became unreliable over the course of about 6 months. The gun I got the most work done with. The one I shot out the most people with. Was a cheaper backup gun that just worked. I would occasionally upgrade parts in it. Changing out lesser performing parts for better more reliable parts. It had a lot of plastic. It didn't have a cool screen. It had very few adjustments I could do to it. But in the end. My backup gun. Being reliable. Won me more tournaments and shot out more players then any of my expensive guns. Some people would laugh at it. Some where elitist and dismissive. It is said, there are 2 sides to every story. I'm giving out the other side of your advice. Not disagreeing with you. Only showing the other side.

[@WillBallForSoup]

Woah! What a well thought out reply. I think older guns are already tuned and broken in. Especially if you are purchasing them from an in person gun deal when you can demo them. Orings are easy to find and the only OG guns that take non traditional lubricant are the OG bob longs. Which aren't really recommended unless you're an enthusiast who grew up with them Take the Vanquish 1.5 tons of availability on parts, easy to tune and easy to program DM9-11 are a little more complex. Especially with the LPR And geo3.... Well I kinda ruined the market that gun is $525 now lel

[@jackfrost2978]

@@WillBallForSoup Thank you for the reply. For all the players and parents that will have similar concerns. Now that I think about it. If your buying a used high end marker. Probably want to go through the settings and make sure they are close to factory default before messing with them further. The most common situation I've seen is when people try to make their guns shoot to fast or too soft. Then they don't work very well in cold weather.

[@sergiovardanyan4285]

“Willballforsimps”

[@WillBallForSoup]

I want to do simping for Paintball girls next.

[@sergiovardanyan4285]

WillBallForSoup what’s up guys it’s me again, simpingforjakefromteaminsanity

[@foxtrot4352]

Sergio I would simp for jake from team insanity ngl

[@julianromero7542]

Dope video brotha!💪🏾👍🏽

[@WillBallForSoup]

Ty for the support

[@yaboiibfreezeGaming]

Me personally I wish that tippmann still made guns cause I’d love to see a speedball gun from them nothing like the x7 ya know something modern

[@JamesSmith-gk8sz]

The Axe 2.0 is definitely worth the hype if only because the settings on the aftermarket red line board are just insane. You can program all the way down to the "dwell" setting which is about as customizable as a marker can get. I will say that interpreting the blinks can get tiresome, but if you're too lazy to simply open a manual and figure it out or (God forbid) just memorize what the blinks mean I don't know what to tell you. I paid the extra money for the 2.0 because disassembly is incredibly easy and allows you to keep your gun alive longer. Still, if you're coming at this from the argument that most paintballers are younger guys with little money, I can agree that nearly $500 is daunting for that demographic. If you have an adult job, house, etc that's really not alot. A with everything, ask yourself what level you'll actually be competing at and buy accordingly. Playing a ton of rec ball as I do, the Axe 2.0 dominates the field (unless some richy rich with a CSR comes strolling along) and is great for all around play.

[@crash86ed]

You can adjust the dwell on any electronic marker with an electropneumatic solenoid.

[@JamesSmith-gk8sz]

@@crash86ed Ask any non tournament player to even pronounce those two words and you'll ascertain pretty quickly the level of competence you're looking at. ;) Solenoid adjustment is one of the most finicky things with paintball guns and if done incorrectly can render your marker inoperable. Would only advise if you've been dissecting and tinkering with markers for a while.

[@crash86ed]

@@JamesSmith-gk8sz An adjustable dwell setting is a very basic feature of any electionic gun. Not sure why you thought I was asking for advice lol

[@nicm238]

@@crash86ed he wasn't giving you advice he was just saying your last statement was ridiculous, no average player can/wants to do that. He's talkin about the cool features on the board to make life easier, and you are tryin to downplay it for some weird reason lol

[@ethanselanders4802]

I got the axe pro it’s so nice!!!!

[@hugwil5221]

Most of the markers I play with are 10+ years old. Nothing wrong with used markers, all of mine can keep up with or out perform any modern gun.

[@creamer_beamer1977]

I see what you mean about price but I just got a axe 2.0 for 375 and it’s been great no problems and I use it for woods ball so I think it was worth it so from my experience if you get a deal and play woods ball it’s good

[@itsyaboimat2393]

I bought a used PE 160R for 385 and it shoots absolute ropes, that's another route you can go is a Facebook BST and buy a used marker

[@wontonxu2049]

The last one is my favorite I had a geo 3 with earth grips for a year no problems and Luke bagge on quake still uses one even tho he still has a lv1.5

[@erikforks8909]

Cool idea. But in 2021 there are no used markers out there at a decent price.

[@mikecarroll3538]

Yeah Geos are going for $600 now

[@jfru0548]

Great vid I subbed

[@logerpro]

I have a question, I purchased a brand new Dye NT11 way back in the day before I joined the military and never got to use it and was wondering if I should hang on to the gun and use it? (The things is basically brand new) and seems like it is = to the DM11 for tournament play. What are your guys thoughts? Thank you!

[@WillBallForSoup]

The nt wasn't the most reliable platform but in terms of efficiency and ergonomics it's still relevant. I'd tune her up and see if she's shooting well. If she's good I'd use it for a bit and if you're 100% back on the grind get a dsr

[@logerpro]

@@WillBallForSoup ok sweet will do!! Thank you man!!

[@ImNHTV]

When you’re deeper into the scene it must be easier to acquire these guns used at a good price. Most online shops are sold out. Also PBnation isn’t the easiest to acquire either. But I did manage to cop a used axe 2.0 for 320 a few months back

[@WillBallForSoup]

It's all about local homies and Facebook BST. iv GEO3 - $350 bushwackers ego7 $225, DM8 $150

[@zackzittel7683]

Fb is the worst in my area. Dude had an OG axe and a mini for $600 cash for the pair and wouldn’t separate the axe. I was like keep em bro, that’s a terrible deal.

[@jamescollins9612]

My mini gs with a lazr barrel kit shoots great

[@Russell8021]

I paid $325 for a used Vanquish GT about a year ago and I love it.

[@WillBallForSoup]

Wait until you see this 1.5 I picked up for $200

[@ztesch04]

I picked up a dye rize maxxed on ebay for $145 without the barrel shipped. Haven't used it on the field yet but shot really good testing it out. Much quieter then my emek. I was looking for geo's but it seems prices are skyrocketing right now.

[@WillBallForSoup]

It's really odd but maybe some of my content has increased the price for markers. A GEO 3 used to be $300-350 and I've even bought them at $250 locally. Now you see $450. The RIZE is alright. Smooth shot. But I still have reliability and durability questions. I'm currently shooting an IV 3.0 and I've put like 6 cases through no breaks at all.

[@ztesch04]

@@WillBallForSoup Ya dude I had some geo's queued up on ebay when I was looking at buying and they all went super high. There was a 3.5 that was set at $425 the last day and I was pretty much committed to go up to $500. Damn thing went way over up to $600 I think. I have seen dm 2's going for around $400. How would that compare with a Geo 3/ 3.5 in marker quality?

[@ztesch04]

Found me a geo 3 for $325 shipped bro! Couldn't pass it up.

[@zorbah350]

LOVIN THE CONTENT

[@NNITRISS]

I’m still using My clear/cobalt fade DM6 and a PGA Red DM15

[@car_soup9452]

Etha 2 and emek are really made of GRN. Shits tough as fuck. You dont feel the shot as much as you would think, but damn are they tough. I've beaten my emek half to death and it still keeps on working.

[@zorbah350]

4:20 The impression of Rory I'm DEAD😅😂👌🏾🔥

[@TheBlazinGlory]

Anyone have tips on where to find something like a vanquish 1.5 at a good price like him? would be rlly appreciated

[@crash86ed]

You harp on having to count blinks to program the axe and etha 2 and then praise the dm9-11. Kinda weird

[@e-jeezybeats1591]

Word every Dm from 4-15 I believe you had to count blinks so he’s a hypocrite

[@Kitty-pq8lv]

One of these days do a video on the best marker of all time. You ever had a gen 3 timmy?

[@peytonjulander724]

Awesome video

[@marcusgonewild]

This might be a stupid question but do you have a website where I can buy my gear from you? Seems like someone I can trust compared to buying a 1.5 gun online and find out it only is a 1.3 with stuff on it that I have no idea how to find..

[@WillBallForSoup]

If I'm selling any gear it's usually advertised in my IG story. But if you're looking for something specific just DM me

[@jasona2315]

Would the dye dm12 be similar to those listed in the video?

[@noahmoser1250]

Themadman has a great review on the etha 2 showing how reliable it is so if you want a reliable gun I think the etha 2 is better than the geo 3 (not saying the geo 3 is unreliable). That’s just my opinion

[@WillBallForSoup]

I kinda break it down to: Gamma core 10/10 reliability 8//10 shot quality. IV core 9/10 reliability 9/10 shot quality

[@noahmoser1250]

Ya the shot quality of the geo is great👍