Don’t Buy This Wood!

[@slchang01]

Good information...for me, the most important thing I look for is if the boards are straight, with no knots. Denser wood will be welcomed but less critical to me. I have not visited a lumber store for so long since I was shocked by the price of the hardwood lumber. I am no comissioned woodworker, and price sensitive to the projects that I need to make. Coming from a new subdivision, suburbon area when the green oak tree boards were bountiful and cheap back in the early 1990s, I recalled that I paid about $1 per 2" thick board foot. I just hauled as much as I could on top of my car and seasoned them for my needed woodworking projects. Those were the good olden days and gone forever it seems. Now a day, I am just doing minor projects and choose Southern Yellow pine boards for my projects. They are readily available in the big box stores and still affordable, and yet, one can choose them to one's heart's content and no clerks would bother you. To me, the SYP is quite heavy and strong compared to those soft, white pine, which can yield very decent, attractive woodworking projects. I'd jokingly call the SYP as the poor man's mahogany/walnut wood.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Yes, I agree with you about the SYP. I used to love using that when living in NC. Its was stronger and harder than the white pine we have here in NH. But I do love how well the white pine works, a pleasure to hand plane, and its dimensional stability is amazing. Honestly I’m shocked by the prices for hardwoods these days too, crazy. Thankfully my friends at the local dealer Goosebay take care of me in a kind of promotional exchange. But I remember when $2/bd ft was high for walnut. Oh well, times are always changing I guess. Thanks for watching! 👍😎

[@tatehogan5685]

Marking the rings with significant years is such an awesome idea. I've been trying to come up with a special gift for my grandmother who has always supported me and my love of woodworking. I think I see a table made from one of the recently downed giant trees from near her house in the near future.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Oh wow, that’s a great idea! 👍😎

[@samla2404]

I wish I could give you more than one like - I subbed right off the back. I went to your website and registered as well and can’t wait to learn from you Tom. I’ve never gotten this excited showing and sharing with us the real knowledge - may God bless you and your family for everything you’re doing sir. Thanks a bunch

[@EpicWoodworking]

Wow, thank you! That means a lot, so glad you enjoyed it. Sounds like we are drawn to this craft in the same way 👍😎

[@joyshaner1076]

The content of your videos is priceless! 5 stars. Top of the line! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and for teaching us, for teaching me! Thank you. Joy. PGH, PA

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you so much, my pleasure to share what I love doing! Glad you enjoyed it 👍😎

[@roypaulcarter4654]

Very good class I really enjoyed it. I would add that tree rings are a general rule for determining the age of a tree but trees can have several rings in a season. Rainfall and temperature are two of the factors that determine how many rings a tree may produce in a single season. Something to keep in mind.

[@slchang01]

Temperature and rainfall may cause additional rings within a year but the "false" rings are not distinct as compared to the darker, denser winter rings. So the age of the tree will in fact not be miscounted by those false rings.

[@antonioperez1624]

Amazing! What I have learned in a few minutes has equipped me with invaluable knowledge. Of course, then you realize there is so much more to learn.

[@JKWorkShop]

these thinks you learn in school to be a carpenter or wood worker but if you get this knolage from you expiriense it cost a lot

[@veryconfidential6973]

You two are great communicators and won my attention, like and subscription. Keep up the fine work.

[@BarkingBeavers]

Thank you for these explanations. As a newer woodworker, I struggle to find consumable info about the wood itself, especially how to choose better boards. You have a great channel 👍

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you so much. I’m not sure why this topic never grows old, and it is my continual pleasure to share my love for this craft. Thanks for being so supportive and part of it! 👍😎

[@richdobbs6595]

I have to say that in one of my favorite, most effective projects, I bought wood that looked like that. But it was for shelving on a cheap, large bookshelf that I built right out of college. I used those boards as the shelves for all of my sci-fi books in Louisiana. Yes, the shelves cupped, but not too much and it didn't matter. Then I moved the bookshelf and adjusted the uprights for a different rental in grad school in Colorado, moving them something like 6 times. Then I used the shelves as bookshelf/office storage in Michigan. Then I used them as office storage in Colorado. Then I used as basement storage in Colorado. I have to admit, that I don't know what I finally did with those planks in the final iteration. But they served for more than 25 years of hard use, gradually degrading to being more and more utilitarian.

[@boonang4097]

Tom, Super super Video. 100s of years 'History' under 24 minutes. Learned so much about timber watching your presentation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@WIReeder12]

There are some variations to your discussion depending on what the wood is being used for, slow growth or old growth with close rings is much more brittle, has less flex. making it a poor choice for say the rungs of a chair. This is discussed in Bruce Hoadly's books.

[@stevenorrisphoto]

My family thinks I'm a bit mental when I get excited about a piece of wood, I don't feel so lonely now! I'm so envious of you guys though, an 8-foot length of 2x4 building-grade pine here in Australia costs A$21.00. Great information, many thanks

[@imnewtothistuff]

One mistake, ring spacing is determined not by light, but by yearly moisture rates. The wider the rings, the more rain that year, the more rapid growth, and vice versa. It's actually more a record of climate, than light. Imho. 😊

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you, you’re right, I should have added the drought effects on the closer growth rings. However, it is also tru that as the forest thickens, the greater competition for light and water as I mentioned causes the growth rings to be closer and appear similar to the close rings indicating less rain…as is well described in this article naturalsciences.org/calendar/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ScienceAtHome_Tree-Rings.pdf

[@tim7257]

The rings and size of them and how tight they are grouped together if you are dealing with southern pines the farm raised trees designed for rapid growth. Their rings are spread out wide very wide. Keep that in mind now when you cut a virgin pine it's heart wood not been genericly altered for fast growth. Has hardly nothing to do with rainfall they are slow growers like hardwoods. Moisture has very little to do with ring sizes and spacing. Lodgeooje line is what your holding the tiny block. Building homes what you're saying is impossible if you're building a house. Tidbit of info: it is now in fact illegal to cut virgin pines in the south. But the white pines are only grown above like ten thousand feet above sea level.

[@rusticbox9908]

Moisture and light are both essential for tree growth, so I wouldn't say one trumps the other.

[@robertgoss4842]

Excellent comment. Of course, you are perfectly correct. Many thanks for coming forward with your valuable correction.

[@RGF19651]

Of course the width of growth rings vary from year to year and from tree to tree depending on many factors like temperature, rainfall, soil conditions, shade, etc. another important factor as a tree grows is it’s size (circumference). As a tree grows, it’s circumference increases by the square of it’s radius (C = pi r^2). So the amount of new wood cells that must be produced 19:16 to add to a new growth ring increases rapidly the larger the circumference. So it is natural that the growth rings become narrower as the tree grows larger. A thinner outer ring on an older tree may actually represent more actual overall growth. Trees are like a stack of straws inside each other. When the straws are closer together they do represent stronger, less flexible wood grain, and also reveal a more pleasing finish.

[@woodyal3726]

Really enjoyed you explaining how to look for cuts of wood and aging of the wood. Thanks

[@geraldanania8081]

Nice job great job by Tom and thw Camera Lady, See you guys Saturday,Got here to late for live but always

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you Gerry, always glad to know you are watching! 👍😎

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

My home is approximately 100 years old, and you can tell the lumber is much higher quality than what you can get nowadays. Denser growth rings, heaver etc. I guess it must have been older growth lumber.

[@pauldengler1785]

This was very helpful. Thank you. It also explains why a particular 2 x 10 of SYP weighed so much and I couldn't drive a nail into it without predrilling.

[@gavintrousdale7585]

I turned a goblett for my daughter out of western cedar . The blank was 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 sq. . The grouth ring count was 168 . It turn very well especily considering the species. And was a very nice dark blonde color.

[@arturhakobyan6850]

The ash tree diagram was niiiiice!!!❤❤❤

[@markalbert2169]

I learn a lot about wood , thank you for the info.

[@thomasgreenan8617]

Typically in the north-east, construction lumber is stamped SPF, meaning it is Spruce, Pine, or Fir. Likely the samples you have are spruce from New Brunswick or Quebec, Canada. Thank you.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

I apologize in advance for this much corrective and/or challenging in a public response. However, as a public video, per some questions I got from students I had to respond. I’m open to queries or rebuttals if there are any. Validation, I’m coming from 50 years of only traditional woodworkin, and related vernacular lifeskills practice and instruction… 03:00 The diagrams show “fletch” (aka plain)...” Rift” (from the old method of “riven”)...and “quarter sawn” near the bottom of the diagram though the drawn plank should be turned 45° to reflect how we mill lumber in a “quarter sawn” fashion out a bolt section of log… 11:22 As for species, it appears to be a construction-grade fir of some variety. As for which I would pick for an architectural element within a wall or roof system…the one with the less dense growth rings. “Old growth”...IS NOT…stronger which is an often overstated theme (as you have in this video) in many species. “Old growth” is denser, but also structurally brittle in many species, so selecting for tightness of grain can often (not always depending on species and application) be a poor choice. Many young and/or “fast-grown” tree species are stronger, more flexible, and more resilient than was once thought. Further validation to this knowledge is my background as a Sawyer, working Arborist, and a traditional Timberwright of both architecture and traditional wood bridge technologies… For the general theme of your video, and what I teach students/clients about sourcing wood, especially for a traditional project like the workbench you are presenting here, is to go to a local arborist or sawyer and purchase the wood green. Traditional workbenches, for the most part regardless of culture European, Asian, or 19th century or older, were made (like most things in day-to-day use) with green lumber…NOT DRY…as so many today insist has to be done. The top of a good bench is typically a riven piece of timber out of a bolt section of a log. The better benches are anywhere from 150 mm to 300 mm thick which affords centuries of use and resurfacing when and if necessary, as well as, the mass necessary to stand secure to heavy pounding of chisel work, of not moving when using the integral vice and clamps for planing. In my 50 years of practice, 90% of the wood used to make useful items from timber frames and flooring to furniture and wood utensils/tools is worked from a “green condition” (by today's standards for woodworking) to a dry or semi-dry condition. This is the way the craft of woodworking was traditionally taught and practiced historically… Now, for what you do, and reflect on your craft of woodworking, which is clearly “fine woodworking” there is no doubt that most of it should be done with properly “air dried” wood in most (not all) of the examples I have seen in your videos and web page which reflect a level of expertise and craft of great quality. I don’t want to suggest otherwise but in the case of this work bench and where the “best place” is for viewers to secure great wood and very low cost…Thanks again for a great channel and your dedication to fine woodworking...

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you for your awesome well thought out, based in experience reply. I appreciate more than you know that someone of your caliber watches and enjoys the fine woodworking I love and am trying to promote on this channel. On the diagram, I was not trying to get into the specifics of the way a sawyer actually cuts quartersawn but simply using the drawing to show how the various cuts relate to the growth rings of the tree. For many watching it’s the first time they’ve ever seen this concept. Your point is well taken on the construction grade lumber. I must confess I’m out of my league when it comes to selecting lumber for construction, which is strongest and most resilient in certain situations. In fact I rarely buy that type of construction grad lumber which is why I was hard pressed to even know what the precise type of softwood it was. The main reason I drove to the box store to grab those two studs just a couple hours before the livestream, was to illustrate how different one board could be from another in terms of density of growth rings. My world with wood centers most commonly around kiln dries hardwoods for furniture as you know. I don’t have fifty years experience but I am in my thirty fifth year which doesn’t make me an expert but counts for something 😎 I have found the better materials for furniture grade wood are almost without exception those that are slower growth and more dense. Most hardwood species I deal with, that are faster growth, are lighter, softer and lack the better color and figure characteristics we look for when making fine furniture. The strength is not as much a factor since it is not being used structurally in the way we think of a building but it is more than strong enough for furniture applications. So admittedly I don’t consider the strength of a given piece of hardwood as one might in the construction field. I’m interested in strength of density, character, color and figure. And in my experience those best are typically slower growth as compared to faster growth. Thank you again for taking the time for such a well written and well thought out comment, with accurate time stamps included as well! I thought you deserved my respect and an attempt to respond in kind. From the sound of it, I can only imagine you value integrity and are in the habit of doing, and have done lots of great work yourself in your world of woodworking there. All the best to you! 👍👍

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

​@@EpicWoodworking You are most welcome Tom, and again, thank you for an overall great channel here on KZbin. I got wonderfully stuck in the world of "folk styles" from furniture to architecture and never made it to your level of the fine woodworking you do... Thank you for the explanation of your diagram. The terms are often lost on students so I try to explain both the nomenclature as used today (too often misused even by professionals) and how we take wood out of a bolt section... We are on the same page, for the most part, when it comes to fine woodworking selection for stock. Denser (not stronger) old growth is almost always the best way to go, so we agree there fully… Tom, if you ever get the time or interest to do some traditional green woodworking. Making a bench from a log is a great project and very inexpensive. The results are often very surprising to the maker, and the cost can be virtually free as often the “butt section” of a log can be secured for next to nothing. Thanks again for a great channel…

[@davidkantor7978]

Thanks for explaining this. I already knew most of what you presented here, but it’s nice to see it spelled out. And I know, an awful lot of lumber is plain-sawn; awful to work with.

[@CarlTunich]

I was living in SE michigan. The oak blight hit a couple of the trees. A swamp white oak and another white oak tree. The one oak died so I finally cut it down. Could not find a sawmill to come in and cut it up so firewood. The tree was 240 years old. 3+ feet at the base and still 18" at about 80 foot.

[@bigviper64]

Interesting information on how to DATE a tree trunk. I’ve never heard anyone explain the light vs Dark rings before!

[@DavidGodwin57]

Excellent explanation of growth rings and they're important in picking out good pieces of wood regardless of the species although this is not new information for me I will be recommending this video to anyone who asks me how to pick out good wood from a box store P.S loved the story of the Ash tree rings!

[@gregtaylor3432]

You didn't mention the need to avoid the pith! Somewhere in my woodworking knowledge I picked up the fact that the FAA regulates the acceptable minimum growth rings per inch in spruce used for airplane parts, (who knew?)

[@EpicWoodworking]

Oh yeah, you’re right. I have gone into that during some other videos but it didn’t seem as relevant for the purpose of this one. You may be interested in this other live video I made recently where that is mentioned. Thanks for watching! 👍 kzbin.infoz77EXagqR6c?si=WkEbkBnph0Tvyxp7

[@byronglass882]

Thank you for the great info, this is a tremendous help.

[@alext8828]

12:40, how do you know that 2x4 is 38 yo. without the pith being present?

[@EpicWoodworking]

Oh you’re exactly right, nice catch!👍👍 I should have said it “represents 38 yrs of growth,” because it clearly was just a portion of a larger tree. I must have been too excited having just looked at the larger tree cross-section! 😎 Thanks for watching and getting into it!

[@pekkatanninen2898]

Thank-you, very informative.

[@jaykeehan5813]

I view a nice piece of quarter sawn as the equivalent of USDA Prime meat. Hard to find but really wonderful when you do. Have a QS canary wood table top that I just love looking at the grain…

[@trev2417]

Brilliant informative video 👌

[@jefferykeeper9034]

I have noticed where I live some of the lumber yards are not letting you go through the pile and pick out the good ones, you have to take what's on top or you don't get to buy the material.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Yes, I’ve also experienced that as the case at some places in the past. But most places around here don’t mind you selecting, especially at the hardwood dealers where you are paying retail and there can always be some dud boards in the pile. 👍

[@williammagee7514]

Even though on occasion I would lift two pieces of wood of the same size and notice a huge difference in weight, I did not realize that closer grain wood (more rings per inch) is heaver than wood with wide growth rings. So now I know, Thank You! Now I am forced to think about why? Possibly/likely, and looking at your examples with wide growth rings, it seems that it is the softer spongier part of the ring that is so much wider. And, being spongy would make it materially lighter. Now I am wondering if the Janka hardness tests are done with old or new growth lumber since there would be a material difference in the test results. Just for grins I just went to the garage and played with a piece new growth yellow pine. I could easily push my finger nail into the light toned summer growth soft part where the dark winter growth is as hard as nails.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Yes Bill, you “nailed it” 😎 I meant to better make that point last night but the reason for the lighter less dense nature of the fast growth “in general” is the early growth in many species, yellow pine certainly being one of them, is lighter and less dense, and percentage wise significantly greater in fast growth trees. Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the great feedback! 👍😎

[@rrpp1425]

This was very informative and helpful. Thank you.

[@emilevoyer123]

I GO ON MARKET PLACE AND LOOK FOR MILLS IN THE AREA THAT SELLS SLABES. THEN YOU CAN BUY 4 X 8 AND RESAW THEM AND GET SOME GREAT WOOD. WE LOIVE IN CT.

[@walterrider9600]

thank you . that is a great tip i never thought of it

[@EpicWoodworking]

My pleasure Walter, thank you! 👍

[@jerrystark6766]

As always, good advice. Thanks!

[@EpicWoodworking]

My pleasure Jerry! 👍

[@geraldhowse8597]

Thanks so much. I learned a lot. Great video.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you for your kind words, glad you enjoyed it! 👍😎

[@PuppetWood]

good information.

[@gilovadya3607]

you are correct!

[@johnslaughter5475]

The reason that construction lumber, and, perhaps, others getting so expensive is because so much lumber has already been harvested. The really big,, old growth trees, are harder to find. Much of the wood we get now is from managed forests. These have been taken care of to speed growth. Wide growth rings. Less strength. Look at the costs for the wider boards. They really get expensive because we simply don't have the bigger trees anymore. That also accounts for why people try to find barns and old buildings to salvage from. You could find huge beams in them that are from a single tree. Nowadays we are seeing more and more laminated wood. Some, of course, say laminated is stronger, so it doesn't matter. But, a single beam has a much better looking grain than a laminated board. Fortunately, construction lumber is used mostly where the strength is needed in compression.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

I've been watching this just now and it's so thought provoking. Makes the hair stand on the back of your neck thinking how much longer than your own lifetime these trees have lived before they were chopped down to become stuff we use. The question naturally presents itself in your head of how long more they would be around if they were not cut down. I wonder what proportion of large city dwellers appreciates or even knows this stuff, yet it's such common knowledge among carpenters and wood workers. This is something to think about when on the market to purchase your next wood furniture item. It's a shame that many trees get chopped down to become particle or fibre boards, that is, throw away, synthetic materials devoid of character and what the impact of this market has on natural habitats. It is a shame that many people prefer the convenience and low price of these items over the longevity and quality of real furniture made by real people that are highly skilled and in love with their craft instead of robots. It's a natural consequence of this trend that these people become fewer and fewer just as the natural habitats (forests) that provide the material for modern junk furniture become ever smaller. What a depressing age we live in!

[@williepelzer384]

It's called replanting, I have cut down hundreds of trees in my 70 years of life. But I have planted thousands to replace them, it's a life cycle just like us.

[@kennethwallace5168]

Yes dense wood weighs more but species like yellow pine are heavier because its a heavy species...for example long leaf syp is about 42pounds per cubic ft., where as Doug fir is 34. Pine is around 28. Species matter for weight. Also hard wood have fewer rings per Inch than soft woods in general.

[@douglasbrown3493]

Reminds me I need another trip to Highland Hardwoods!

[@douglasbrown3493]

🤮Buying PT wood.

[@onthemoney7237]

Very interesting just getting into woodworking thanks for sharing 👍👍👍🇺🇸

[@Acampestre]

Growth rings get thinner the older a tree gets. But annual increase does not really decline until much later. If you were to figure out the annual area increase you would see this. Additionally, if you take into account that an older tree also is higher (until a certain age) and figure out the increase by volume, it would yet become even more obvious. In young trees annual increase is limited by the amount of canvas. With maximum canvas (mature tree) the annual volumetric increase is highest.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Nice, thanks for the great explanation! I’ll remember that next time 👍😎

[@alexarki4923]

Love the priceless content! Man did you lay down some knowledge on me ❤ thank you for the gift. Awesome!!!!!

[@skullheadwater9839]

I would assumne because it would be likely to suffer from cupping eventually, explain please.

[@henryrossouw930]

Very interesting.

[@lostpony4885]

That 2x4 end cut also has the tree center. Very low quality

[@JKWorkShop]

when you dont have lot of money in start you make from whatever lumber you can get! and after you chose the best or good wood for project! or way do you think there is so many palets wood project and furniture.and yes if you want good windows or doors then need knolage what lumber peases need to for what furniture.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Absolutely, it all depends on the situation…the project, the price and what’s available 👍 I’m just hoping there is something of value here for someone if they can use it. Thanks for watching!

[@JKWorkShop]

yes and you have good videos so many people can learn good things and understand more of woodworking!@@EpicWoodworking

[@rick91443]

This is a GREAT topic. cheers...richard Normandy, France

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thank you Rick, the living history of trees is always compelling to me too 😎👍

[@dannywilson9192]

I learned alot from this video. thanks :)

[@tomjojo849]

😀 well done

[@kennethcole1551]

I bought my wife a piano A baby grand that was built in 1929. Do you finish Boozel alligator? Should I decided to take to finish off and redo it underneath the alligator finish where is Bavarian walnut most beautiful one I’ve ever seen so I clear lacquered it.

[@ianwright40]

Surely the center ring would be new. Your shop date would be closer to the center and Honest Abe would be nearer the edge.

[@timkeiper8588]

On your diagram of a tree, you show the different board cuts, which do you prefer Plain, Quarter, or Riff cut and why ?

[@thomasbone5498]

great insite to what you said Bob England UK

[@johnfitzgerald8879]

Now the only thing I care about is figuring out how a double headed T-square is suppose to work. That looks like maybe two and a half feet, head to head. It sure isn't going to work for drafting unless your table is the size of a t.v. tray. It's for drafting ANSI C size drawings.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thanks, the double ended T-square tracks smoothly on the smaller drafting board. It works very well for me and my purposes, mainly to make scaled drawings of furniture designs prior to making the full-size shop drawings. I actually showed the process of making this drafting board during a live video. If you’re interested, here’s the link: Make a Drafting Board with Tom McLaughlin kzbin.infot-HBVMeq1PE?feature=share Thanks for watching! 👍

[@thiagotiberio838]

Looks like Douglas Fir (construction lumber)

[@horsetowater]

Could be redwood

[@EpicWoodworking]

Thanks, I need to better know these softwoods. 👍😎

[@rencleavus5213]

No, most framing lumber stocked here in New Hampshire is spruce from the northern US or Canada. Also, fir is darker than spruce with a light brown color and prominent grain.

[@horsetowater]

@@rencleavus5213 thanks

[@alext8828]

The old timber framer wasn't Ted Benson, was it?

[@EpicWoodworking]

No, it wasn’t Ted 😎, but I think you’re right that he lives, or “lived as the case may be, in northern New England too. The guy I was referring to lives just a mile or so from me and his name is Steve Fifefield, part of a great family in the history of Canterbury, NH 👍

[@alext8828]

@@EpicWoodworking All very interesting and thank you for your response. Great channel.

[@larrybulthouse455]

Well you don't use yellow pine for furniture but for framing and trusses ,rafters etc it's the next step down from Douglas fir. This coming from a contractor of 50 years. I'd you want to know about wood there's a book that's called understanding wood! Go purchase that

[@EpicWoodworking]

Yellow pine was commonly used as secondary furniture wood in the southeast US. In the Northeast is it more common to use Poplar or Eastern White Pine, which happens to be the most dimensionally stable wood in the US, although it is softer so that must be considered. I’ve been making and designing high-end furniture on commission for thirty-five years. I understand quite well using hardwoods and softwoods for furniture. And I have had the pleasure of going through that book. We apparently are coming at the topic from different applications. I’m sure you are very good and competent in your world of woodworking. All respect 👍 Thanks for watching.

[@4kbirdpalace628]

You could have condensed this considerably...I was going to sub.

[@EpicWoodworking]

These videos are recorded live as a livestream we do every Thursday night called Shop Night Live. You’re right, it is a little longer format but that’s because usually 300-400 people are watching live and chatting in questions and with each other. It has a different feeling to watch live instead of most videos which are recorded and tightly edited as you’re probably used to. If you’re interested you can check out the link to the livestreams at epicwoodworking.com. Either way, thanks for watching 👍

[@4kbirdpalace628]

@@EpicWoodworking Hey sorry for being a commy lol! I'm all about condensing as everybody is playing the game for cash and long videos...I refuse to go there for the money. I want happy viewers, skip the cash.

[@amohtash]

Good promotion of cutting old forest... but I get your point. But I rather use lower quality lumber and keep the old tree alive.

[@EpicWoodworking]

I get your point and I love old growth forests as well. Trees are an abundant growing plant, even more so since they thrive on CO2 which is rebounding in our atmosphere in recent years. There were no old growth stands harmed in the making of this video. The 185 year old ash tree shown was only cut down because it had died, as all living things do eventually. I was simply making the point that if given the choice between tighter growth rings and wider, I prefer the greater density for making custom furniture. It’s beautiful and I love trees!

[@wllingtonsingh5080]

Could you imagine what builders use on houses to cut costs.

[@Citizen-pg8eu]

So, which of the 3 sections should we buy, or not buy??

[@NickatLateNite]

As a retired interior remodeler, I always said there were 3 types of carpenters & you could tell what they were by the tolerences they accepted... 1st - Rough Carpenter = "Yeah, that looks straight, it's good enough". 2nd - Finish Carpenter = "I think if I tap it with a mallet, I can get an eighth closer". 3rd - Cabinet/Furniture Maker "A sixteenth more doesn't work, its gotta be perfectly flush"... My grandfather taught me thing to never forget... "Good enough, is never good enough"... Now where's my mallet😂

[@stephenodell9090]

I f the rough carpenter, usally called a framer, does not give us a straght, pl umb and leval wall the rest of us can't do our jobs.

[@NickatLateNite]

@@stephenodell9090 Amen to that, brother... It all starts with them👍

[@m7362z]

Can you put your camera on a stand? Because I would love to watch your videos all the way through, but I can’t make it half way because the camera keeps bouncing and it gives me motion sickness

[@fido139]

I'll buy what I WANT!! 🤔☺

[@EpicWoodworking]

As well you should! 👊😎

[@markworden9169]

What a waste of excellent material when they stated tearing down old structures with an excavator 😢.

[@GrantRowell-u9q]

vacuum tubes. Sound has never been the same since they died.

[@EpicWoodworking]

Sounds like wisdom from a true audiophile! 😎👍

[@notusedexer]

You do know that's not an accurate way to measure the age of a tree. It's a nice thought but it's not accurate.

[@horsetowater]

Vacuum tubes lol

[@EpicWoodworking]

Yes, old school, but apparently still a thing 😎

[@horsetowater]

@EpicWoodworking much like trad. woodworking! Thanks for all the tutorials you do.

[@iamwhoiam4410]

Sometimes the choice comes from the pocketbook.

[@JimmySpencer-z1x]

👍

[@creesenebeker5686]

I've watched through this twice now. I still don't know why not to buy the wood in the thumbnail. Well, I DO know, because I asked my dad & we watched together. I don't know from explicit information in the video. You never tie together the information provided with an explanation of the attributes of the thumbnail piece of wood.

[@gordonholland3406]

Watch 7:48. He says exactly why to avoid lumber with large growth rings. Great video. Clear explanation IMHO.

[@DavidHart-s6y]

👍👍

[@letsgobrandon6281]

Just get to the point we don't need a history lesson

[@amezcuaist]

The subtitles are confusing slow growth with old growth .

[@dennisanderson-y1b]

America keeps all the quartersawn wood and exports the rest like the French with their wine. I know this because I quartersaw oak here

[@jeffolson6269]

To much is never enough.

[@McSlobo]

Just don't hoard prime lumber for something that doesn't need it. Good wood is a limited natural resource. We should be responsible.

[@condell1956]

I Do woodworking. I will look at my wood to see who is older. The wood or me.

[@hwfranjr]

Like we are going to count circles,lol,get to the point guy!!!!!!😂😂😂😂

[@EpicWoodworking]

Again, I understand, my content and style is not for you. No worries my brother, lots of other channels out there. My best to you. 👍😎

[@jerseycornboy]

Thanks very good information you gave us!

[@MikeHinAZ]

You have it backwards. The outside is the oldest rings and the inside is the newest. Your years should be written from current day in the middle and count backwards in years working toward the outer rings.

[@dennisbuccholz4010]

The Inside is the oldest a tree grows from inside out Tom is right.

[@robira1313]

Dennis is correct. The outside ring is the newest and youngest. The inside rings have been there from "birth".

[@EpicWoodworking]

The outside rings are the latest growth, the tree keeps adding rings year after year just below the bark layer. I see what you are saying and you are right I could count them that way by “counting back” which I did to mark the significant dates in history. I was simply trying to note the size of the tree at that date. We may being saying the same thing, and I did not explain it well 🤔 Thanks for watching! 👍

[@hwfranjr]

Boy never seen so much BS ON THE GRAIN OF WOOD,CUT IT SHORT AND GET TO POINT!!!!!,

[@EpicWoodworking]

Obviously not the channel for you, lots of others out there. I wish you the best! 😎

[@truthserum5202]

This is a mistake. Growth rings DO NOT represent a single year of growth in a tree unless it's a very young tree. In older more mature trees a single growth ring can represent many, if not hundreds, of years of growth.

[@cyberwolf6667]

I’m sorry , The NOAA and NCEI disagree with you. They use growth rings not only to date trees but the timbers in ancient buildings. NCEI use the pith between the rings to make weather history data based on the age of the tree by those rings

[@tomanth4981]

Get on with the subject and not ramble on about history!

[@gastongilissen8211]

It's important to know the material you're working with before you'll start working with it.... So this is a great video. If you don't like it skip it

[@EpicWoodworking]

You should know these videos are recorded live and as a result are more conversational in nature than the usual edited video you are probably used to. Might not be a good fit for your style. And you might want to think about and improve your commenting style. A little kindness and appreciation for the free video, before launching into criticism is not bad to consider. 👍

[@jeffshockley6063]

I bet you voted for Joe Biden

[@EpicWoodworking]

Weird comment man, you don’t know me. Take a breather from politics once in a while.

[@robertchambers9774]

And you must be stupid enough to be a trumper

[@rb032682]

@jeffshockley - 'I bet' you're a willfully ignorant hillbilly!

[@kurtvanmelle2423]

Thank you, learned some new things again