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[@LastNightDestiny]

Andrew Wilson's Argument Collapses In Debate And He Gets Heated w/ Moderator ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXi3ZmWAitFmlZI

[@Lukexxxxxx]

This is AI-trioc

[@zopcam]

CAT 6e FTW

[@ash12181987]

"Everytime we put out an update our users would complaint about things we didn't even change" Gaming, in a nutshell.

[@MarioChimmers]

Ironically also legislation

[@brynmurphy7858]

Marketing monday bridge under construction.

[@heinshaaine8153]

This will be a litmus test for me to see if im too much of a fanboy

[@lighting7508]

Atrioc is a very good normie to talk to, but imo he cares too much about his image to make it happen 😢

[@hammurabii.3173]

@@lighting7508 He is also friends with Ludwig and Slime so I'd be surprised if they didn't already implant a bias towards Destiny in him.

[@lighting7508]

@@hammurabii.3173 he did say he was pleasantly surprised by the Shapiro conversation because he thought destiny was basically an alt right grifter 💀💀

[@phoenixeyy]

If you unironically think this would ever happen in any universe, I have a marketing monday bridge to sell you.

[@MiasmaTazma]

I want to point out that Atrioc mentioned watching Destiny talk on Jan6 and it changed his opinion on Trump, he was unaware of how bad it was and spoke well of Destiny.

[@Lukexxxxxx]

he also watched pokAImane

[@slick3996]

@@Lukexxxxxx and QT CinderellAI

[@thor9323]

Being familiar with both Destiny and Atrioc has really exposed how uncharitable chat can be, almost hunting for some sort of gotcha, to call the video stupid, instead of giving it a fair go. Same with some of the comments here. It feels like people are looking for anything to discredit the video to a point where they are missing what the video is about

[@Sid00077]

Tiny fans are chronically online weirdos. It's expected. Us YT clip viewers, on the other hand, are chads that the live viewers wish they could be.

[@dereklong2839]

A great gotcha is at around 37:20 when Atrioc uses an example of a Florida county where people are desperate to sell homes and the ratio of homes for sale to the population is wild, but obviously it's not going to end well because they're severely out of balance and then Destiny goes on a rant about how this is a bad example because this area is out of balance with the national average. It's the Reddit thing of rephrasing exactly what someone said but in a way that implies they were wrong when they said it.

[@PuddingXXL]

Don't read KZbin comments is my personal solution. It's worse for the small side channels like "ClipsDGG"

[@DrStrangelove_]

That's not chat that's humans.

[@UnconventionalMarketing]

Yep, it is crazy…. And unfofortunate.

[@ClanAtlas_Indie_Games]

As a game designer, I 100% agree that game design is one of the best ways to learn what it's like to be a politician (on a small scale). People live in your world, you manipulate systems, rules, and economies. You can enforce rules or you can change behaviors indirectly by incentives. Players hallucinate your intentions behind every update. People have strong opinions, and you have to figure out what they really want. Sometimes solutions aren't possible, not because 'you don't care about your players,' but because you have limited knowledge, or your framework doesn't allow certain updates. You can make all the decisions top down according to your vision, or run polls democratically, practically any system you want to try. It changed my life for the better, and it helped me grow away from populism.

[@AznDudeIsOn]

True

[@raquetdude]

Nah. Local politicians / councillors = game devs. National politicians / courts = people that make game engines.

[@migl1802]

Never thought of that, trump needs to be a game dev first is what it sounds like.

[@Tridona]

​@@raquetdudethey can be the same thing sometimes. Some companies make a proprietary engine for thier game. So id say the metaphor still works quite well

[@ClanAtlas_Indie_Games]

@@raquetdude That's an interesting way to think of it.

[@danielhamilton3496]

The guy in chat saying destiny was giving atrioc too much charity is living in a different universe.

[@andylawlzz]

I thought destiny was going way too hard looking for things to "be careful" about. it's crazy what our biases do to our perspectives

[@josuevazquez6639]

@@andylawlzzI had this exact same experience lol he was pausing every 10 seconds

[@jadonharper1493]

@@josuevazquez6639every 10 seconds he makes an analogy I was pulling my hair out he can be such a contrarian.

[@joshecker6907]

​@@andylawlzzthat is my perception too, although I'm subbed to atrioc and already saw the video.

[@JuicyG_]

​@jadonharper1493 lmao he wasn't taking a contrary position, he was being hyper critical because non-economists making popular content diagnosing the state of the economy can spread misinformation and further idiocy. Did you want him to sit there and nod for the whole video?

[@maxsimes]

Damn destiny actually listened to turkish toms recommendation.

[@GAPIntoTheGame]

Yeah ngl I was surprised

[@trevors6379]

Hopefully he learned not to do that again lol

[@UnconventionalMarketing]

A great one to watch. Atrioc is great!

[@maxsimes]

​@@trevors6379why?

[@Levi_OP]

​@@UnconventionalMarketingpaid shill

[@Kedut]

12:00 reminds me of the story from August ( Riot Dev), where he talks about the players complainging about a Vladimir Nerf that they "released". But in Fact they only put the nerf in the patch notes and DIDNT acctually ship it to the servers. So Vladimir was unchanged, but players complained.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Return to Castle Wolfenstein had the Thompson and MP40 with the same stats to keep the SMGs balanced, but players complained the Thompson (IIRC) was stronger. It was because the gunfire sound was punchier and thus the weapon felt stronger. The devs just changed the audio and playtesters confirmed the weapons were now finally balanced.

[@robbiverse]

the interesting thing about that one was that he remained unchanged but his winrate still dropped

[@xYiazmatx]

@@robbiversepresumably the better players read the notes and just moved on without confirming

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​@@robbiversethats cuz everyone who were only playing him to win moved on to the next character. Moba players always do that shit. So only casual players or players that really like that character played it.

[@johnflory3306]

​@Kris-wo4pj no, placebo effect and such is real. Modern Warfare 3 had a similar occurrence with the UMP-45 getting "nerfed" in patch notes but not actually. Only sweats played with it at the time, casual players were all on the mp7, pp9 or ACR. All guns, for those that haven't played call of duty. Players were told it was worse, and so they played worse. We got the statistics over the week and everything.

[@malartbecomes236]

Initiate nitpick: um... how is comparing the number of corporate bankruptcies happening during the crazy shit going on in the pandemic to the current number of bankruptcies somehow not relevant? I'm so confused. If bankruptcies are higher than the crazy highs during the pandemic, that seems noteworthy. Depending on the type of comparison being made, if the current stats are 'inexplicably' higher than the historic ones, you can absolutely make useful comparisons between constitutional times and extraordinary times... tf is he talking about? That supreme court ruling actually supports what the marketing monday dude is saying. If they make a comparison to pre-pandemic bankruptcies, what is that going to say, except 'hey bankruptcies are really high right now.' Obviously they've already done that, and are now making a comparison that actually says something useful. Namely, 'Hey, bankruptcies are higher now than when the entire world was shutting down.' That is significant and relevant. If we instituted the purge for all of 2025, tracked the stats somehow, and then abolished it in 2026, it would be useful to compare the murder rate for 2030 to 2025 if the 2030 numbers are higher. It's like _holy shit_, people are getting whacked more than back when it was legal! Something must be going on! Pandemic-era corporate bankruptcies are the same thing. The whole world felt the squeeze to some extent, supply chain was effed, people weren't spending money, and companies were going bankrupt like crazy. It is completely reasonable to make a comparison when the present day stats are higher. It's only not relevant if the current stats are lower, because they _should_ be lower. The 'constitutional times' here would be when there was no pandemic, and if the current stats surpass those of the pandemic peaks, it should indicate that we are **not currently in** a 'constitutional times'. Thus, a comparison to the pandemic era stats is actually more relevant than a comparison to the 'constitutional times'. That Supreme Court document was saying that we need to look to relevant past precedents during moments representative of 'the norm' in order to help inform and potentially update our current definition of 'the norm' and what should be expected during those times. The article is saying that the current stats DO NOT line up with 'the norm', and are in fact more similar to those during a global pandemic. Why you do dis, Destiny?

[@splashmok]

K E E P Y A P P I N -Joe Biden

[@Ryuu44]

1. You're good at pointing out alternative reasons why this stuff happens, but you didn't factor in that it's so many things that have one common explanation with vastly different counters. 2. When he compared how we're breaking a record set in the pandemic, he was right (assuming he didn't lie about the data). He said bankruptcy is beating covid-time records. Yes, covid wasn't "usual times", but that's what led to the alleged record breaking bankruptcy rates. If that was a record, and now we're passing it, that is a bit scary

[@aguspuig6615]

Yeah that was some retarded aah phalacy. You cant compare the world to unprecdedented times, the record bad times are unprecedented for obvious reasons, therefore you cant compare anything to the worst time, therefore no matter how bad things get they are never the worst because that comparison isnt allowed to be made.

[@samb4776]

This vid is the Avengers for me. Two fav content creators finally crossing. Get Atrioc on bridges at all costs.

[@QMS9224]

Might as well add ai pokemane while you’re at it

[@expressvpn8433]

You could deep fake him into it

[@sere971]

It's impossible to bridge these two communities when every other comment is just yapping about the AI deepfake situation from years ago, both to insult him over it or even to defend his actions which he himself has disavowed and worked pretty damn hard to make up for. I like both but I genuinely think a content creator is worse off if they have a bridge to Destiny exclusively because of his fanbase being rabid and aggressive because of the perpetual "debate mode" atmosphere. Atrioc's community is a lot more wholesome and friendly, and they wouldn't take kindly to people being told to kill themselves or calling people retarded, etc.

[@TheHappyWhale]

@@sere971 That's true, but I also think a lot of Atrioc's chat is also kinda further left leaning than Destiny's. There is a lot of crossover with Hasan, so a decent portion of them are kinda predisposed to hate Destiny as well. I generally like Atrioc, but some of the comments he and his community make just scream internet socialist to me. It sucks, cuz I think they're both genuinely smart and interesting people that could have a good talk.

[@traplover6357]

Atrioc is still friends with Ludwig and his friend group so very unlikely

[@tcbobb.8782]

OH MY SHIT ITS MARKETING MONDAY ON A WEDNESDAY LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[@godiebeard]

To skip facial autism 0:35

[@GAPIntoTheGame]

lmao

[@RayTheomo]

that's the best part😂

[@Sethery11]

Pisses me off even more when I think of someone who actually does look like the person and you know the rest.

[@Sethery11]

Steven "Destiny" Kenneth Bonnell II if you see this, that guy looks like Tek Knight from The Boys. Faceblindstiny

[@dameatmane]

@@Sethery11 I for sure thought that’s who he’d compare Big A to

[@RichardLofty]

Destiny's argument about economy is fundamentally flawed and frankly wrong. Economy IS also about vibes! If you feel like you can't afford a house, but you can actually buy it right now, DOESN'T MEAN that you ACTUALLY WILL BUY IT. People make decisions based on vibes, EVEN ECONOMIC DECISIONS. People don't suddenly become PERFECT RATIONAL AGENTS when money gets into the mix. Again, if you feel like you're poor, but stats show that you're not, it doesn't change anything, because you will live AS IF you're poor. Politics is a system with people at the end. Economics is a system with people at the end.

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

I’ve thought this way about the concept of competition as well. Although competition works sometimes, it’s also the case that it’s advantageous for larger companies to “join hands” and artificially reduce innovation and increase price (which happened with the lightbulb, for instance). I guess what felt similar here is the idea that everyone is a rational agent acting in best accordance with the economy, but that is an absolutely silly notion

[@alexmartin1674]

The consumer confidence index is literally one of the measures of how the economy is doing. Destiny's analysis was very simplistic here. Similarly, he keeps saying this could be a problem to every point atrioc makes. Which is exactly the argument atrioc is making. All of these things together is an indication that the economy isn't actually doing that well.

[@dhlehrenlos]

the headline about interest being paid on debt between mortgages and non-mortgages is about the absolute figure Americans are paying on interest in a year being at around 575 billion dollar each. it is not only about rates for mortgages going down (which helps align the two figures) but americans taking on more and more debt on consumer spending overall as the later has risen a lot also: etfs are not actively managed, they follow the index meaning that right now an ishares core s&p 500 etf is invested for 6.16% in Nvidia and 6.73 and 6.87% in Microsoft and Apple each. Together with Amazon and Meta that is 5 companies making up 26% of ones investment.

[@fungdark8270]

Which sort of points to the vibecession, people aren’t taking on debt because they don’t have income, they are taking on debt because they aren’t adjusting to the economy. Idk what it is but it seems like people go on autopilot when spending money and refuse to cut back on certain things

[@trevors6379]

It's not really about taking on more debt at all, necessarily. Actually, it's about PAYING more debt, which could be a good sign, right? You see the headline saying we're paying LESS debt than ever, then maybe it's time to say "uh oh"

[@Sylvestror]

Ok but if people cut back on spending wouldn't it also hurt the economy ​@fungdark8270

[@emich34]

@@trevors6379 default rates are an an all time high tho

[@remulean]

Last time i was this early, destiny was still running defence for Sneako.

[@jessecraft1199]

I remember those days. He was so weaselly about it. I got banned from his Reddit for calling him out on it. Tiny is pretty cool, but he could stand for being more open-minded. He is not good with criticism at all.

[@phoenixeyy]

@@jessecraft1199 let's not do revisionism on sneako now that hes gone completely off the rails. He engaged in good faith IRL debates with destiny, and he was a young very impressionable kid. It makes sense why destiny would instantly dissavow him for being radicalised in certain ways. It was good that they engaged with each other, even if it didnt turn out well in the end.

[@tiggerbane4325]

Ahh Yesterday

[@Matthew-ux7pj]

@@phoenixeyyna its revisionist to pretend he was ever good faith.

[@jessecraft1199]

@@phoenixeyy what are you on about? Destiny absolutely ran defense for Sneako. I remember where I was standing when I was listening to it. I could not believe the weaselly words that were reaching my ears. Your weasel master taught you well.

[@krombopulos_michael]

Recessions just aren't possible to accurately predict. If they were then people would be able to avoid them. It's like trying to accurately predict what airplanes are going to crash. If you're vague enough to just keep saying "a recession is coming" then eventually you'll be right, but that's not much use by itself, you need to know when it's going to happen and what will cause it. People will point to indicators that often predict recessions, but once those are spotted then everyone starts preemptively acting in response to those, and usually that results in the recession being inverted. Two recessions never have the exact same causes.

[@tristenatorplaysgames6833]

Most are usually caused by some type of bubble being popped. The tech and housing markets have all this investment but are worth very little or a lot of startups aren’t worth anything. Same with housing. Once these pop things are gonna be brutal

[@tobene]

I don't think that was the point of the video. Atrioc is just presenting how there are worrying signs of a recession and how signs like these were ignored in the past. How these things play out is simply not possible to know

[@silversalmon9909]

Yeah atrioc isnt one of those that shotgun blasts predictions trying to get something right. In fact this is the only recession prediction he has ever made really

[@failadin1]

The quick cameo by shoenice threw me straight back to 2010 KZbin holy shit how is that man still alive.

[@discobecky9179]

>users not knowing what they want doesn't help that the quantity of users have increased by many orders of magnitude over the past 6ish years and that the user population has been diluted with people that don't know anything about anything

[@Asdfqwerty12341]

In my personal experience it’s not necessarily a function of “knowing” what you want. I feel like most of the average person wants similar things. Most people “want” to be able to pay their bills and still have enough left over for emergencies. People “want” to believe that their grievances are being addressed and people “want” to know that their taxes are going towards something meaningful. But, simply put the average person truly has no idea how or why they feel unable to accomplish one or any of the things I mentioned above. An individual can have one idea of what the state of the economy is and have their own set of problems with it. But, you can’t address anything on the opinions of an individual. Only way that users can effectively find problems is if the feedback is taken from a very large sample size and patterns emerge. If a large group of people start complaining about something, even if the thing has previously worked. The structures that govern us should still pay attention to people when a large enough group of individuals starts to complain. Because, even if none of the users can explain why something is happening we can generally tell when something situationally changes that affects our lives. Which means that something was always fundamentally flawed with the system in the first place. Society as a whole is very adept at finding problems over time, individual users are more often not. Damn, this comment got away from me lol.

[@coreyander286]

I remember two years ago hearing about how a recession was inevitable (and _imminent),_ that it was either (1) continuing rise in inflation, (2) a recession, or (3) a miraculously "soft landing", and that the soft landing was basically impossible. So far? It seems like the soft landing has been achieved.

[@fungdark8270]

Yep, I’ve become a Federal reserve simp over the past few years We had a technical flash recession in 23 and potential “rolling recession” in sectors People will talk about the Sahm rule or yield curve inversion, but Claudia Sahm has come out and corrected the record and the yield curve is clearly not a perfect indicator either.

[@HATBREIKID]

coming back to this comment in 6-12 months

[@fungdark8270]

@@HATBREIKID if it’s the case that you’ve bought into recession fears, what’s the primary reason?

[@MrDougfunny7]

@@HATBREIKIDno you won’t.

[@Madmetalmaniac42069]

@@HATBREIKID Same.

[@griffiththechad9483]

Isn’t this the dude who got exposed for jackin it to deepfakes of Ludwig’s girl? I’m Interested in whatever he says.

[@Ivan-qf4mt]

You know what, good endorsement.

[@johnhilton145]

Hot 🥵

[@GeneralSpecific]

Worse, he got exposed for jacking it to something on a deepfake site that Ludwig's gf was also on.

[@regarded9702]

It does make you question his judgement, that was a very high risk low reward wank.

[@limear]

sounds based

[@oplixgaming670]

big fan of the coffee cow, fellow daliban, we must construct this bridge from both sides, the pillars must be strong enough to weather any storm.

[@francisxavier8374]

oh god no please no, the dude JUST got over the goddamn deepfake drama we dont need him to get caught into destiny's orbit, not when probably most of his chat and most of the atriarchy is deep in the hasan twitch sphere of influence

[@aabsolutezero]

Dude, no one cares, no offense ​@@francisxavier8374

[@aabsolutezero]

​@@francisxavier8374and even with the hasan shit, no one cares

[@will-iy9gu]

@@francisxavier8374 i think if he takes more of a lilypichu role, then nobody normal will care. Just a chat or something.

[@bruhsammich8568]

​@francisxavier8374 clearly u don't watch atrioc cuz he's been over it and him and qt have been cool again for a quite a bit

[@Giemma3]

The most infuriating thing about all of this is, Destiny watching it on 2x but having to rewind every 5 seconds to process what Atrioc just said

[@bulldozer8950]

I think part of the reason it’s so hard for people to tell what they like is it’s just so complex. If you have an axe to cut wood, and you have an issue with it 4/5 times you’ll be able to articulate what the issue is because it’s pretty simple. “The axe head isn’t tightly attached, it came off once”, “the axe head isn’t sharp enough”, “the axe handle is too long, I’m pretty choked up on it and I hit myself with the back end sometimes”, etc. occasionally you won’t know, maybe the head is a little too heavy for the size of the handle and it’s hard to put your finger on the issue, but you can tell there’s something wrong. With stuff like games or ui pretty much every single problem besides something visibly breaking is the type of problem you don’t know exactly what is wrong, it just feels wrong. Humans are very bad at sorting out all the different causes of stuff they experience, so it’s hard to tell what exactly is wrong, but they know something doesn’t feel great. Also, somewhat similarly, users are kinda stupid. There was a time in league where the top picked item for Jax was divine sunderer, and triforce was the second most picked, and the game has a feature in the shop that recommends certain items and riot moved divine sunderer off that list and put triforce on it, without changing the items or jax, and it boosted his winrate by a pretty significant amount (iirc like 1%+ which league generally operates on like 47-53% as an acceptable range for a given champ). And this was already in the era where online data about winrates was widely available, people just still picked the thing the game suggested even if it was worse. So user bases, broadly speaking, are just not very good at identifying the issues and making good decisions.

[@feelsrestricted8322]

This is unrelated but the editor is a real one for zooming in on the cat walking past around 14:13😂😂😂

[@electron6825]

Nah bro I'm Haitian 😂

[@Demiuuu]

D man in big A?!

[@Frank7489]

in?

[@bytefewder]

The SINFO video used is from a conference held at what used to be my college, IST in Lisbon. I know it's useless info, but I just found it super cool, like 2 random worlds collided. Trippy.

[@CarpeDonnelly]

At this point, I’m just wanting to see how far Destiny is willing to take his economic contrarianism. It’s approaching Baghdad Bob levels, but I think he can drill even further. Drill, baby, drill!

[@josuevazquez6639]

Can you explain this comment for me. Im not that knowledgeable when it comes to economics so I don’t really get it

[@damonalexander8502]

Yea he just swears the economy can do no wrong and like corporations and monetization has corrupted everything

[@Producadv]

Definitely one of, if not his weakest stance

[@lumayne8829]

@@Producadv maybe, but he's also right when he references all of his sources. You cannot predict recessions and when every statistic says we're doing fine, then yea I wouldn't really listen to consumers about how horrible it is everywhere

[@GEM4sta]

​@@lumayne8829 Wrong

[@michaellong2439]

lol the guy saying that layoff were triggered by elon "finding out that companies were bloated and had more employees than they needed" meanwhile elon cuts half his staff and proceeds to have the worst profits the company has ever seen

[@carlosdemare1599]

the cross over I didnt know i needed

[@jcnot9712]

Destiny not knowing that Intel and NVIDIA do more than just make gaming pc parts is hilarious.

[@frenchplatitudes]

38:30 he wasn’t trying to use that one place to represent the entire country, he was talking about one town and how it’s specifically bad there. destiny didn’t listen to the whole sentence

[@danporter1176]

destiny says exactly this

[@frenchplatitudes]

@@danporter1176 i think you left the word "opposite" out of your reply. he does day exactly the opposite of what i said. I'll put it in an example ex: 50% of hawaiians surf. since the american average of surfers is way lower than 50, we can say that hawaii has a large amount of surfers; that is an okay statement to make. 50% of hawaiians surf, so soon all of america will also be surfing is not. The guy clearly says "if you are in lea county right now, it's twice as bad as the recession" , not "watch out cause everywhere will be like lea county in a few months." He was talking about real estate in florida, so he used a place in florida as an example The point of the video was that we are bad at predicting recessions. The current method is too slow, so he's going over some stuff that may indicate there's a problem before it actually happens. At no point did he say that any of these things mean there will be a recession for sure or that the numbers in lea county indicate anything for the rest of the country.

[@christianfoley7441]

Yep exactly. Atrioc is VERY CLEARLY just providing perspective to the lee country numbers by finding a way to compar them to the numbers in 2008. It frustrated me that destiny seemed to interpret this as "atrioc is saying that because lee county numbers are bad its like the whole country is bad just like 2008 soy". I feel like he should be smart enough to grasp the idea here...

[@christianfoley7441]

Its almost exactly the same, using destinys analogy, as saying "single parent rates in this area are 5x higher than the national average was during [x time of well known single parenthood crisis]". Hes literally saying nothing more.

[@JesterAzazel]

What Destiny says is mostly true, but sometimes a game dev, like the Fun Pimps, or even site devs like the guy that made Friendster, has a certain vision they want to see pan out, and don't listen to their users. They actually make less money, which is why Myspace became a thing and Friendster died. It's why the 7 Days to Die subreddit is meming about how you're having fun wrong. Saying the goal is more profit makes sense, but don't forget that humans sometimes make bad decisions. Not every move they make is actually going to bring in profits, sometimes they just shoot themselves in the foot.

[@darkblue099]

I listen to this game dev, Matt Colville, who specifically said when he worked game design, the Devs would ask people how a test played, and would specifically ask for feelings if the game was better or worse, but not for specifics. They understood people didn't actually know what they liked or didn't like about a particular game, but they FELT like they knew. This becomes more problematic when you have a live service game where the company is open and talking with the playerbase, cause the players actively interact and tell the devs what they want, but the devs are aware they either can't fix the problem the way the playerbase wants, or they know that doing so would break the game somewhere else. People need to just let devs make the game, and play it or not play it.

[@Tom-jy3in]

careful, even just asking how a person feels can be bad for direction. It could've been that on one of the play test dates the hotel the guests stayed at served bad food. Or perhaps there was an ongoing global event that downed the mood of people involved. It's never really that easy. "Knowing" anything is very very hard. That's why for millenia the human race was driven by theology until they properly distilled our rigorous process of science

[@UnconventionalMarketing]

The crossover I would've never thought I'd see in 2024, and im here for it!

[@TonyDiCroce]

Companies pay dividends when their management thinks their days of high growth are behind them. These are generally mature companies with dominant positions in very established markets. Younger companies generally use their cash to grow. It is untrue that one type of company is a better investment than another. What can be true is that due to your temperament, or perhaps your stage of life you prefer one of these over another. But that is a personal choice.

[@lunardestruction]

Atrioc casually listing of 100 indicators of recession, yet destiny dissecting each one like he didn't just hear a hundred of them, this man's brain is so small it's unbelievable

[@nicholasfrank9930]

The RV thing is a bad example. Tons were sold during Covid so people could be outdoors. There was a huge boom in park visitation during that time. Now, there are tons of gently used campers for sale in the market so not many people are buying new.

[@christianfoley7441]

Yes perhaps this is true about RVs. But the same thing happened in the tech market (one of the largest drivers of the economy): stimulus money caused overhiring and investment, and now mass layoffs for jobs that will not exist again. Maybe this actually leads back around in support of a recession. If enough markets experiences unrealistic overconsumption under covid stimulus, the whiplash from that could result in recession, right? Certainly if this was the case in every economic sector this would be the result. How many other examples need to be true before they actually become sufficient to evoke a tend themselves. Afaik a LOT of areas experienced rediculous artificial growth under covid stimulus.

[@JustTry919]

The point he make is RV sales is a proxy of how willingly customer spend big money to buy a leisure item. In good economy people will spend more for their hobby. Covid economy is good for consumer actually because government give stimulus so the economy can works. Hence why so many investment go way up too fast because ppl at that time spend time at home and had impulse buying with free money the gov give.

[@RigRacers]

Not me watching 2x speed Destiny watching 4x speed Atrioc.

[@vgorp3849]

This is just a fundamental of human nature. You can’t trust the narrator. Nobody knows what they really want, what they really believe, they don’t understand their own feelings at all, and they mostly just say things from one moment to next even when they swear to you they’ve thought about it a lot. They probably did think about whatever it was a lot but they thought about it like an idiot with no self-awareness. This is one of the things Jordan Peterson used to teach that made me really like him. He knew to listen beyond the words.

[@sqronce]

Hey, my feedback for Pikmin 4 to Nintendo was on point. The controls were needlessly garbage because they wanted to make stuff when using the full controller more similar to using a single joycon, making several important actions very clunky.

[@callum6224]

Excuse me

[@sqronce]

@@callum6224 That was my reaction to Destiny saying the thing about gamers not knowing what they want/being able to make useful suggestions. Nintendo sends surveys to random customers who purchase recently released games for feedback, and I gave them overly thorough feedback about Pikmin 4, which I only half remember now. But if you had played it, you would know what I mean about the controls.

[@burnbird16]

​​@@sqronce Sorry, you're just a stupid gamer. Not like Destiny, he's a SMART gamer. Source: *slurp slurp slurp*

[@tumultoustortellini]

Steve minecraft from smash ultimate never getting nerfed. The entire fanbase for years complained, and he was never touched.

[@callum6224]

@@sqronce I did play it, it controls perfectly fine. I played Pikmin 3 on switch first tho

[@harryseaton7444]

Fully franked dividends baby

[@syndicalistspeedsolver]

This is my favorite gen Z way to learn. Watch a streamer react to another streamer react to something. This is the future of education unironically

[@myriadcorp]

The RV sales peaked because of Covid. People used RV's during the lockdown. Now sales have leveled off to normal levels. The fact that guy doesn't know that says a lot about his research.

[@stonerx460]

tesla nike at&t could be consumers tightening their belt cuz teslas airforce ones and cable is kinda a luxury. with just different sectors being hit and being a rolling recession. layoff rate is lower then back in 2001.

[@twintalk2943]

You can’t tell rich people the economy is bad. He literally just got finished talking about “fuck the data”, sometimes what people feel is imporant…now he’s saying, always remember the numbers. I get there can be nuance between those two things. But it slightly feels like he’s picking and choosing the rules based on bias.

[@TheWiggum123]

He’s not, the bias is to assume you have the data necessary to make these claims in the first place. There is an example of two soldiers lost in the field, some how they made it back to base, and when questioned they said, “oh we just followed the map” but they didn’t have a map of that area. The map in this analogy is the law of large numbers, it’s how you make predictions in science. You need a certain amount of data to make these predictions, but for certain economic phenomena (power laws) that’s trillions of data points. That’s Hayek argument, so keep in mind when Destiny say libertarian are dumb, that’s the argument he is going against and what every economist is trying to fix with their models, again which they won’t fix. Data is good for science but bad for Risk or applied science. This is why they have inflation targeting. You look for the break points and then target with redundancy so you don’t destroy everything, also a libertarian idea.

[@roymarshall_]

​@@TheWiggum123somebody referencing Hayek in a Destiny comment section, holy based

[@christianfoley7441]

Feel like your comment misrepresent what was discussed. It would be more like: "He literally just got done telling people sometimes the broaderdata is not capturing the right thing, and we should dig a little deeper under the guidance of popular analogue... and now hes saying, here are some specific numbers which point in the opposite direction of the broader data." (Totally reasonable btw)

[@TheWiggum123]

@@roymarshall_ he said libertarians where dumb, so I had to appear

[@pf4877]

It's not that Ai isn't futuristic and pretty amazing, it's that things that don't use neural nets are branded as AI or things that don't need to be AI are AI enabled now.

[@Jfreire16]

For homes it’s definitely a sellers market. There is far more demand for homes than there is supply. This is basically the what has been causing the prices to skyrocket even in the face of increasing interest rates. These 2 things are generally negatively correlated.

[@dukeofminecraft]

the problem with destinys take on TA is that there are some people that create a trading strategy with TA and then they backtest that strategy rigorously, so they see all the times it fails and all the times is works.

[@tflp1950]

August, you couldve just named this "Destiny Reacts To Atrioc's Finance Video" instead of this dumb title

[@mctbaggins2084]

This guy's forced laugh was burning my brain

[@halfbloodprincess989]

That "would you shut up please" was gold!

[@TheLoveTrain]

Goddamnit how the fuck does Destiny 2 get brought into this

[@airsoftmaster40]

Lee County, FL is Fort Myers---a tourist coastal city. There's going to be a lot of summer houses and summer houses for sale. That's an awful example to take

[@highdesertbiker]

Tom Green's younger brother is really doing well

[@coolroxas]

There's massive increase of volume on information and the truth just get drowned out nowadays.

[@prestonbeaulieu4379]

Destiny's brain really broke on this one. It's sad to see someone that's so convinced of a certain outcome that their brain literally stops taking in any contradictory information

[@dymetrix]

People pretending that COVID didn't happen is my pet peeve. They will show a chart of e.g. RV sales and talk about how they are down. Like yeah, a bunch of folks bought RVs during lockdowns and now the market is whacky. All of us in tech had our revenues double and demand for support double and we overhired engineers and marketing folks. The unemployment rate for software engineers was basically negative (people were taking on multiple remote jobs, we were hiring from overseas more than we wanted). Layoffs in the tech sector for now are healthy. If you lost one of those cozy, overpaid jobs, it sucks to lose it. I do think AI tools are warping software engineering rates. Investing in AI to improve performance of your senior devs is better than investing in junior devs right now.

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

"why don't we just keep growing?" is like asking usain bolt "why don't you just run faster?"

[@monkeydluffy9131]

9:50 love how destiny basiclly summarises what happened with cod zombies over the years

[@Apocobat]

Great video ruined by destiny watching at 1.5 speed

[@austinlevens1103]

Please make sure you keep full screening when honey comes on screen.

[@Thuggernaut58]

Major issue is too many people think Govt debt and personal debt is the same. Who's coming to repo or collect on the US?

[@DarianOctavian]

God it’s so awesome to see Destiny watch my glizzy fingered marketing Monday boi big A aka Atrioc. If I wanted to build a panel of loosely political, cultural, and economically based comedians and just watch content for half a day it would 10000% be Destiny, Atrioc, Ethan Klein, Ludwig, and TurkeyTom. (Obviously none of this is possible D2D) All fairly funny, fairly edgy, decent representation of the general left, decently stands on their principles, varied in content and perspective but all entertaining in their own way. Feel like streamers and podcasters provide so much time, content, and dead air they could do way more big splashy collaborative events and once in a while. Tho problem is probably to much crossover with to much tension between communities (let alone the great schism provided by he who should not be left alone with the Jews)

[@ARABELLABORRELLO]

Is this a marker related video from destiny. My God I feel bad for all of you

[@Matthew-kh6th]

Atrioc's "ha ha ha" is brutal

[@colinplaisance4274]

Dividends are preferred for fully mature companies that can’t grow much more. Having a consistent dividend keeps the stock from being volatile so it’s popular for income investors.

[@seanpe8474]

im a fan of atrioc so take this with a grain of salt but to clear things up, hes done a genuinely great job making up for the deep fake mistake. hes collaborated heavily with a company that specializes in helping to get the content removed (see his own vod for the details) and has put $100,000 of his own money to fund that company and to help other creators get deepfakes off of those websites. just writing this for those who probably wouldnt give Atrioc a fair shake otherwise.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Willy Mac as voiced by Mike Stoklasa.

[@gabrielgray6753]

the crossover i never thought would happen

[@amesasw]

You have all the dividend stock you need in the US total stock index or the S&P 500. Most of the value returns come from an increase in company stock value, not dividens. People are drawn to dividens because they are easy to understand and they feel safer than selling and trading stock. But I don't think most people consider it efficient to live purely off dividens. As this requires you to tie up a ton of money and ignore the potentially larger gains in a more balanced long term investment portfolio.

[@FiveUltBomb]

Destiny is a video games name

[@dymetrix]

RE credit card delinquencies (and auto loan delinquencies) I believe they were historically low because of stimulus and are now returning to mean.

[@GreatRusio]

After watching this video I wish I took economics as an elective because holy shit I do not know anything

[@sean8190]

Turkey tom goated for mentioning atrioc

[@Liberal_pan]

0 chance an experience dev doesn't account for negative values. Good story though.

[@Kbanz198]

Remember dude who had a relationship with his car, matter of time for ai

[@azoun80]

Little bro should stick to Starcraft tips... he's been out of the gaming world for years at this point.

[@DragonHuman00]

The fuck is that title?

[@johnhilton145]

It's an AI generated video.

[@MiKey-cj2fo]

Shits like avant garde yo (Regarded)

[@TheBlackDeath3]

I know, it's actually kind of interesting, right? Also, I suspect it has something to do with the video that he's watching the entire time.

[@BlaqAdam]

As a 10 year Destiny player I can 100% tell you that it's going down. It's at its lowest recorded player count and had 2 rounds of layoffs because of poor performance this year. The changes with The Final Shape were implemented to prolong game time but irritated the player base the time gated story and artificial difficulty because your power level doesn't matter anymore. Actually a good example of Devs not knowing what the consumer wants.

[@Lilyzoe28]

Our God indeed is a covenant keeping God. Has he said a thing and not perform it? I watch how things unfold in my life, from penury to $76,000.00 every two months and I can only praise him and trust him more. Hallelujah

[@donaldandrews7]

God bless you more abundantly

[@donaldandrews7]

But then, what do you do? How do you come about that much?

[@donaldandrews7]

I’m sincerely curious to know how you make this much

[@Lilyzoe28]

Big thanks to Kathleen Mary Vella

[@Lilyzoe28]

She’s a licensed broker here in the states 🇺🇸

[@faikerdogan2802]

They are brothers..

[@faikerdogan2802]

Iam trolling

[@checkmate885]

@@faikerdogan2802dman

[@tonybankse]

Imagine for getting attacked for aging POLITICS!

[@Infotainmentwars]

FFS … This dude is using figures from normal economic cycles compared to a post COVID recovery. It ‘s like solving an algebraic equation by saying X=Who Cares. 🙄

[@dix0n778]

The Bugdanoffs, Warren Buffet, and Destiny walk into a bar...

[@roymarshall_]

Dump eeet

[@connorwimer7467]

I’d wish these two would talk but that ain’t ever happening

[@freakondabeach]

I've never seen D so uncharitable, lmao. "BE CAREFUL" about every data point.

[@reese-qd9cj]

Destiny and Erudite should have this guy on in the Bridges Podcast. And I hope they talk about Pokimane and QT deepfakes. LOL

[@bofad6074]

Shoenice side quest was WILD

[@LNRDi]

3:40 a good term for that is "condition of possibility"

[@Shadowz2704]

Oh so now we are "being really careful about data that includes covid years"

[@starhawks1]

This guy's cackle makes me want to minecraft myself

[@devilborne]

If you take a drink every time the guy goes "ahahaha" you might die halfway through the video. 40:55

[@waggington]

What a frustrating watch. Destiny, the guy who keeps saying middle class people are just whiny babies and Everything is Normal and Fine, continually handwaves away any of the concerns pointed out in the video while pausing constantly to ramble about investment advice. The irony is palpable.

[@darkblue099]

It's not a zero sum game. If it takes 8 people to do the same job as 1 machine, but it only takes 2 engineers to maintain the machine, that's a net loss of employment.

[@aidanhennessey5586]

And perhaps you hire 2 more people to build more machines and hire 4 more engineers to man a second and third machine

[@electron6825]

​@@aidanhennessey5586and perhaps these are different groups of people where one group will not be able to transition into an engineering role and will be unemployed

[@darkblue099]

@@aidanhennessey5586 You're missing the beginning part where each machine fulfills the job of 8 people. Building the machine is a temp job at best, and if you only need 1/4 of the previous staff once the job is fulfilled, you're still at a net loss of job availability.

[@drearmouse9510]

Absurd how much he sounds like Andrew Tate.

[@laneswerve]

That clip from Bezos and Destiny's better explanation makes perfect sense when you see people complaining about the economy - on paper, it looks good, but their complaints are still valid when you look at rent prices. A lot of people don't understand how the economy works and think the astronomical rent in some areas are somehow the fault of the government, but in reality it's mainly due to lack of rent control, and the cost of rent far outpacing inflation due in part to old fashion greed of landlords. I've seen so many landlords raise rent simply because they feel like that's what other rent is going for in that particular area, so they may as well capitalize on it themselves. The renters are then left struggling far more than they would have, since that extra rent is now eating into the small amount of disposable income they would have had without the increase. If the paper assessment is valid and without noticeable errors, the complaints can still be valid - there must be a more nuanced reason for the complaint that requires further investigation.

[@nicolasrandazzo6296]

Hola, when you answered the question why I can't pay the debt by simply printing. You didn't mention that destroying the value of the dollar is the same as hyperinflation.