Live from the Table: Destiny on the Election and the Current Political Scene

[@MushieDude]

So tired of people grading Trump on a curve.

[@zarbins]

A curve is not needed when dealing with the shitshow that is the modern democratic party.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinswho in the Democratic Party compares even remotely?

[@haha-ps2pz]

Zarbins out here going full retard.

[@zarbins]

@@shanecorrigan8524 Thank you for making my point that he is beyond comparison and no one comes close.

[@mokied]

@@zarbins which democratic president refused to accept the result of an election, staged an insurrection attempt and then then went to the Supreme Court to ask for immunity for said insurrection attempt?

[@kirkturner8872]

An incompetent insurrection attempt is still an insurrection.

[@aidanjones4067]

Exactly. Just because is Coup is suppressed doesn't mean that there wasn't an attempt.

[@j2a2m]

But it simply wasn't an attempt. Even stupid people know you need a massive percentage of the military backing an insurrection to have any chance. People just wanted a delay for a proper investigation of possible voting irregularities. NOT appropriate, but also NOT an insurrection.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

What exactly do you believe was the intent on January 6th?

[@timagee147]

By whom??

[@Gooseman2k2]

yea... a coup where the 10,000 people with 100k guns owned... decided to just.... leave them all at home! WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT!!! but lets leave home the means to do it! BUT WE ARE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO COUP THE GOVERNMENT!!!

[@Therosx]

I agree with Steven. Donald was a joke on the world stage and nobody feared or respected him. Just a disgrace.

[@FBZOMBlES]

You're objectively wrong. If there were true there would have been much more chaos worldwide.

[@wren4077]

lmao yea he still is a joke like the conversations around him and about him are so bizarre, he should never have had given this platform. should've stuck to saying "you're fired" on TV.

[@bkrich]

@@FBZOMBlEStrump was a joke on the world stage, the directors knew all they had to do with same nice things and he would bend over for them, Kim in North Korea is a perfect example, the look on his face when they got photos of trump saluting someone in their military like this idiot is actually doing this. Him turning his back our alleys to coddle dictators, everyone was definitely laughing at him 100%, no one feared him at all, that all just wanted a turn to use him as a useful idiot.

[@Scammer-01]

@@FBZOMBlES There were though. You're objectively wrong.

[@user-ck5yq8xl3p]

no wars...

[@aaronmeyers4845]

My man spent well over an hour and a half making excuses for why Trump's actions were not that bad. And read one disingenuous Kamala quote, and was like she wants the blacks to burn down comedy clubs... Lol guy was in a spin cycle

[@nickgardner1408]

It would have been a boring interview if he didn’t. I also think it’s good because how he thinks is how a lot of people think and rationalize what happened, so if someone were to watch this and retain enough of what Destiny pushed back on, they can spot this BS in the wild.

[@Prometheus4096]

This guy is gonna vote Trump 100%. This is what people call 'Trump derangement syndrome'. This is the same thing as the guy with the story about Trump at the UFC event and the crowd popping. This is the same stuff as Kevin McCarthy going back to Mar a Lago and bending the knee after Jan6. Weak men like these are loyal to Trump until Trump threatens to jail their wife. That's why someone like Michael Cohen finally flips. Before that, it is mental gymnastics to the end of the universe. It doesn't actually make any sense. But the pattern is so strong now, it is horrifying.

[@mokied]

@@Prometheus4096 doesn't really matter, he live in NYC, but if he gives Steven a platform that's good.

[@DanielCollins419]

In fairness, I'd much rather watch a podcast with misguided but good faith pushback on Destiny's positions than a two hour circle jerk about how they all agree about everything.

[@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit]

Well it's the only thing you can do. You can't deny all of the shit Trump has done. You can only try to excuse it. It's on purpose

[@r_k_f]

i find the making excuses for Trump tiresome...

[@jamrollz]

Babies and elders need a pass until they're cogent enough to finish a logical statement. Until then a little coddling is ok I guess.😂

[@ANTIStraussian]

They think because he is a buffoon you can read between the lines, he was trolling the media, it was sarcasm. But statements by Harris are legally binding and final. Have your q anon cake and eat it too

[@Seaneey]

Why are they supporting an orange traitor?

[@wren4077]

like yea those excuses are valid and all but for the leader of the nation? maybe we can have better standards there. Higher ones.

[@Pooranonymity]

Coupled with the unhinged criticism of the dems, talking about harris with BLM as if she (a state prosecutor) loved watching cop shops burn down. Noam did a good job of realising how silly that was, but the fact he bought this republican line at face value, they really have such strong narrative control. It's so true that the dems get graded more harshly, they are expected to be the adults, whilst republicans get endless slack to be unhinged

[@NugKnights]

We have had 45 presidents in US history. Now after 248 years we need to make special rules just for Trump.

[@jordanvannortwick9426]

Trumps supporters believe whatever trump says is true, no matter what it is. How is one supposed to contend with that?

[@wren4077]

first guy to ensure there wasn't a peaceful transition of power what a joke

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

Cult behavior

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@@NugKnights lol, yes before Trump, rules were never updated or changed.

[@CriticallyAlive]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 not this one, correct

[@Zocress]

Noam: "You don't see a psychological problem playing out here for Trump?" Destiny: "If it is that bad, he needs to be institutionalized. Because he is experiencing psychosis." Noam: "Well.. No.. I know a lot of people who are in denial though." ..Yes Noam.. You. You are in denial.

[@IamtheSenate203]

Great show. Seriously though, why do people give Trump infinite good faith? Its like a super power he has.

[@kondziu1992]

Because he was a president and probably a lot of them voted for him. So even if they changed their mind in 2020 they have bias because it would mean that they elected a criminal as their leader. To convince them you need to make sure that they dont feel personally threatened by the idea of trump being dangerous.

[@wren4077]

its not trump hes just on their side. so they cling on to him as soon as they eventually have an out. like say trump loses and the republican party comes to their senses and has a better nominee going forward, these very same people will start going "well yea we never liked liked him but he was just what we had" or some such bs.

[@kiracite]

@@wren4077 i think ur right for republican officials, but the voter base i think is entirely behind Trump

[@grabthememesandrun1204]

Cult of personality

[@sifagayev7793]

@@wren4077exactly. And, pretty much every leak I’ve seen that’s come out of the conservative world has confirmed this idea. Like Tucker Carlson complaining about having to defend Trumps moronic bullshit all the time.

[@Kenjey]

as a european hearing americans say that trump was and is such a feared and strong leader who is respected internationally is ridiculous we were lauthing at you guys when you elected this clown in 2016

[@comedycellarclips]

Who said he was respected?

[@jediryan9454]

@@comedycellarclips He was not feared that's for sure. He was seen as a clown around the world. Dictators could sweet talk him to gain favor. Seriously, are you that far gone that you can't see that Trump has the brain of child. That he could be easily controlled by flattery or egged on by insults? We all saw that at the Harris debate where she first hand showed how easily he could be coerced.

[@MisterK-YT]

I don’t think people “feared” him in a respectful sense. I think they “feared” him because of his… idk… “condition” lol. The condition of being petty and impulsive and kinda regarded, etc. Nobody was worried about Trump outsmarting them, or out-gaming them. They were worried about him being SO petty and impulsive and having no regard for “tradition” or protocol. I’m not saying that’s a good thing; I’m not defending the guy’s personality. But if you’re Iran, for example, though you likely don’t RESPECT Trump, you probably do take pause before launching an attack on an ally of America. Or you pause before allowing your Houthis to attack international ocean vessels. Because you don’t know if Trump is gonna ignore potential consequences of escalation and hit you back hard.

[@bigdog91paper]

There's a fear out of respect for their proficiency and there's a fear out of them being unpredictable and untrustworthy.

[@swickens930]

@@jediryan9454 Please give any examples of what you're talking about. Trump had literal trade wars with Russia and China. They were sweet talking him because they were desperate to have him end the tariffs. Also, Europe is a laughing stock and always has been. You suck at war, you're about to lose a few countries to Muslims, you beg us for money all the time. You guys don't do or make shit haha. Nobody cares about Europe bro

[@a_kazakis]

I honestly do not understand why some Americans think Trump was respected or feared around the world. I live in an EU country. From the first day he took office until today, I have never spoken to a person that doesn't see him as a clown. And I engage in a lot of political discussions. Maybe it's the lack of perspective Americans have about what happens in the rest of the world. But the US was literally a joke to us during Trump's presidency.

[@reddillon8425]

Americans don't believe that Trumpers believe that (after the coup attempt, Trumpers are no longer American. They can be Confederates if they want but they're NOT American. They are traitors to my nation.) And realistically, Trumpers don't ACTUALLY believe it either, all through that period they were bitching and moaning about how the world was running a smear campaign on Trump. They knew every nation was shitting on us. But now they do what Trumpers do, try to rewrite history in their favor.

[@JohnDelmas]

To be honest the only good thing he was saying is warning Europe about Nord stream.

[@Tahir_Ali]

There are a number of videos where world leaders are laughing at him.

[@MisterK-YT]

@@Tahir_Ali well he’s a funny guy. My gf loathes him but she cracks up watching Reels of him. Look, I don’t think people “feared” him in a respectful sense. I think they “feared” him because of his… idk… “condition” lol. The condition of being petty and impulsive and kinda regarded, etc. Nobody was worried about Trump outsmarting them, or out-gaming them. They were worried about him being SO petty and impulsive and having no regard for “tradition” or protocol. I’m not saying that’s a good thing; I’m not defending the guy’s personality. But if you’re Iran, for example, though you likely don’t RESPECT Trump, you probably do take pause before launching an attack on an ally of America. Or you pause before allowing your Houthis to attack international ocean vessels. Because you don’t know if Trump is gonna ignore potential consequences of escalation and hit you back hard.

[@Tahir_Ali]

@@MisterK-YT - Yes. And that is why the enemies of America are putting whatever resources they can to get him elected.

[@leonardnilsson9397]

AYO Why is he defending Trump so Fucking much, this is actually insane LOL

[@FromTheAshes0762]

Even if Trump didnt intend for the mob to get violent, him watching for 3 hours and throwing his VP under the bus before even calling off the mob is an instant disqualification for me. Voting blue for the first and hopefully last time.

[@akselandor8975]

Yeah, at his point it's silly to say "well, i don't know what he really had in his mind", as if we can't infer state of mind from actions taken. Trump obviously wants a mayhem to take advantage of. Did he really thought people would storm the building? Did he ever thought of it as a coup or insurrection? Does it matter when all of his actions line up perfectly to his advantage?

[@Mezcaudill]

Absolutely! People are so eager to give trump a pass or treat him with kid gloves it’s depressing.

[@FromTheAshes0762]

@@akselandor8975 it shouldn't bit it seems so many people on my side have given there senses to MAGA. I supported him in 2016 and 2020 but that event turned me away. Country before party lines every time.

[@velvetCoker]

bless ya

[@adtastic1533]

Trump ain't even a conservative, he was a Clinton donor. His schtick ceased to be funny a long time ago.

[@andrewc5449]

"The DOJ could indict a ham sandwich" argument is trying to win in the court of public opinion because you know the DOJ has you dead to rites on the evidence of the case. If I was guilty as fuck it is exactly the line of rhetoric I would use to cast doubt on the institution.

[@byrondejong9872]

Well said. For me the argument would only matter If the DOJ actually in the past indicted a ham sandwich but government bodies could do stupid stuff legally but don't.

[@tboz8211]

@@byrondejong9872not to mention that erroneous indictments would be a waste of government resources, civilians time, look bad on a DA/AG’s record, etc.

[@brye6690]

The phrase that district attorneys could get grand juries to "indict a ham sandwich" originated from Solomon Wachtler who was Chief Judge of the New York Court of Appeals from 1985 to 1992. Wachtler was arrested on charges including extortion, racketeering, and blackmail. He demanded a $20,000 blackmail payment in exchange for turning over compromising photographs and tapes of Joy Silverman, a woman he was having an affair with. He eventually pleaded guilty to harassing Silverman and threatening to kidnap her daughter. He served 13 months in prison.

[@jathhilt]

​@@tboz8211 Yep. People forget how insanely career oriented and score-keepy lawyers and prosecutors are. They don't bring or take on cases they think have no chance of being successful.

[@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit]

If you were innocent, you wouldn't try to smear the people who are going to prove your innocence.

[@Splycr591]

The willful ignorance about supreme court extremism is off the charts

[@drockopotamus1]

The supreme court hasn't done anything extreme by any stretch.

[@mokied]

@@drockopotamus1 blanket criminal immunity to a president is not extremem?

[@GoLifting]

For them to believe that our founding fathers would grant ANY form of sovereign immunity is crazy, when the only immunity even mentioned in our constitution applies to congress only…..

[@Splycr591]

@@GoLifting thats why we USED to rely on the Fitzgerald case. Presidents should be immune from civil liability. Its far easier to fall into civil litigation than it is criminal litigation. Presidents should NOT have criminal liability. If we vote in a president that conducts themselves in a criminal matter, they should face justice. However, in the case of the immunity ruling, Roberts takes the idea of civil immunity and then immediately says the president should have ABSOLUTE immunity. WTF IS THAT?!?! NO PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY!!! WE ARE NOT A NATION OF KINGS. The Fitzgerald case is for CIVIL liability.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

@@mokied Ratifying a power the president already had is not extremism

[@Shortyblablubb]

There is literally nothing Trump could do to disqualify himself to these "centrists"...

[@lakcheong1499]

These are right-wingers.

[@Tortilla.Reform]

They conveniently ignore that trump was friends with Epstein, but if the same applied to Kamala they would never shut up about it

[@dblackout1107]

As somebody who’s more centrist, don’t speak for me, bub. Trump is a danger to our democracy.

[@09BiGDylan]

​@@dblackout1107 you need to do a better job of policing people who call themselves centrist cause they make all of you look like secret right wingers

[@Fallenskyz2]

Carrying water? Norm is a auqaduct for Trump in this conversation

[@NuttyAs]

Guzzling buckets some could say

[@SH-kt3nk]

He’s the flipping Amazon river.

[@jamrollz]

Knees down mouth open and thirstier than waking up at 4am

[@scottpirkle29]

Give Steven a chance. Seriously. If you have developed negative opinions about Destiny, but haven't actually engaged wtih much of his content aside from clips and shit, please reconsider. His approach to analysis is so refreshing and honest. You don't have to agree with every take in order to appreciate the thought process that led to the resultant opinion. Watch this video with an open mind. Dude's smart.

[@MA-go7ee]

I'm not giving a chance to anyone who gloats after an innocent man dies. There's nothing 'refreshing' about him either. There are about a million people who can explain why Trump is a blight on American politics. Ironically, you people who excuse the worst aspects of his personality exhibit the same cultish devotion that the worst Trump supporters do. 'Just overlook him being a massive asshole man, he has a point sometimes'.

[@TheHappyWhale]

Seriously, took me watching one longer talk he did to realize that a lot of the rhetoric surrounding him is just not true. He's really quite intelligent and has very good justification for seemingly everything he believes in. Wish more political influencers took his approach.

[@patapon646]

@@MA-go7ee The man wasnt innocent. He supports a person that tried to end my country and got Ashli Babbit killed. I have no sympathy for Osama Bin Laden, why would you expect me to sympathize with a supporter of someone whos 1 step away of of being worse than Bin laden

[@maxsimes]

Yes. A less edgy format is the bridges podcast with notsoerudite. But destinys twitter is unhinged

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

Dont agree with everything but hes deff an intelligent, very well-researched guy.

[@zdog058]

almost 2 hours of our guy just running defense for Trump and just ignoring every argument with no evidence. This is exhausting.

[@michealjaymurphy]

His entire argument on everything is him having a crystal ball to see the counter factual

[@thisishappening7273]

@@michealjaymurphyEvery Republican still supporting or apologizing for Trump does this

[@Itzarzky]

it’s scary, he even shows a _slight_ acknowledgment of reality, understanding Trump _did_ do all these things, but evidently shows a bit of sympathy for Trump.

[@turdrhinofiend]

muh "no evidence" when reams and reams of evidence is provided, your brain is rotten.

[@dubdub9544]

Starts off by saying he is for freedom of speech and not spreading misinformation, then spreads misinformation the entire time

[@joshcfc606]

Norms attitude towards Jan 6th is really frustrating..

[@vietimports]

typical right wing trump supporter who is too embarrassed to admit he supports trump lmao

[@grayaansi9812]

⁠Yep! He clearly supports him but is too much of a coward to actually admit it.

[@lastmouseontheleft]

..really telling.

[@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit]

Imagine if Obama had done a January 6th in 2017? Just imagine what Conservatives would have said and done?

[@Tortilla.Reform]

@@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheitExactly. Sort of like the fact that the first gun control legislation in the this country, was enacted by Ronald Reagan and Republicans, after Black panthers did a 2A demonstration

[@VandalThoughts]

Destiny knows too much now. Watching people flounder is painful.

[@jackmerrideww]

All political commentators should be required to be on max dose of Vyvanse.

[@dougdimmadome9857]

this is nothing, he was ordained by the StarCraft gods. you have no idea how much stronger the guys up the ladder get 😂😂😂

[@VincentFulco]

He's a tool

[@Mountainclimber-zv4u1]

Andrew Wilson...

[@piedade_illustrations]

@@VincentFulco lol

[@BigLeafyTree]

It seems like a lot of the pushback on Destiny is “That would be bad if it was true, therefore it’s not true.” Which isn’t really a bulletproof defense.

[@byrondejong9872]

It also seemed like he knew a lot and had a ton to say about each argument but never had the time to really go deep into the topics. He agrees with mostly everything Destiny said just not the intent from Donald Trump and the Supreme Court which is hard to convince someone who just feels like that isn't true.

[@dwil0311]

I think your "therefore" doesn't really map on to any part of the conversation. A more accurate summation would be, "That would be bad if it was true, but here are the reasons it's not true, or at best misconstruing the truth." Followed by them pivoting away from the conversation about those reasons before it was finished.

[@BigEmpySpaces76]

@@byrondejong9872 FEELS OVER REALS.. lol. Conservatives have always been the biggest snowflakes.

[@BigEmpySpaces76]

@@dwil0311 Not even close.. lol. YOU also can't ever blame Trump for things he's done right in your face. YOU have TDS.

[@TheMikej345]

It's exactly that. The immunity ruling discussion brings that out perfectly. The interviewers don't want to believe something this horrible could be true.

[@sosmilge5873]

So frustrating when someone has all the facts and you say “okay I don’t want to hear any more facts, my vibes are telling me all I need to know.”

[@ericrhodes186]

That's what it felt like.

[@Lithenius]

This will always be the common denominator amongst anyone susceptible to conspiracy. Also the common denominator amongst Republicans is the fact that they all believe in some type of conspiracy, it's just on a spectrum. The dumbest of the dumb believe the earth is flat, and on the other end you get people like Norm. These people could not make it through the abstract section of the simplest peer reviewed articles.

[@acason4]

Destiny is in God mode with respect to the knowledge of these topics. If you challenge him, you get demolished.

[@kirkturner8872]

@@acason4 , true, but those who challenge him aren't very receptive to change.

[@valetudo1569]

Yeah esp. January 6. He's gone through the timeline, interviews, court statements, everything

[@KhattaMeethaOficial]

@@valetudo1569That’s don’t mean Shit if fabricated evidences…

[@tucci06]

@@KhattaMeethaOficial You can't just pretend like every uncomfortable truth is fake news. A lot of this stuff is literally on video or in court documents. Running straight to the conspiracies to explain away all the stuff you don't like is the most common tactic for Trump supporters because they've been conditioned to do this, much like cultists are taught not to question the Kool-Aid. Literally just make shit up to maintain homeostasis.

[@valetudo1569]

@@KhattaMeethaOficial What is the fabricated evidence

[@SpacemanXC]

Guest of the year Destiny.

[@SoloDallasII]

Guestiny W

[@jasonolinger7585]

Destiny- The leader TDS soy boys who spend most of their time hiding behind a screen while their girlfriends get plowed by other men

[@jasonwhite6463]

The amount of charity this guy extends to trump is INSANE. Trump supporters will bend themselves into knots to rationalize his crazy.

[@Qubicle.]

I think it's good for the context of this podcast. if he didn't push back on destiny's statements, then destiny won't get to as much details.

[@jasonwhite6463]

@@Qubicle. Destiny has been giving details for months. In this they were supposedly having a conversation so the details were meant for the two ppl Destiny was talking to. NONE of those details made a bit of difference. The guy would agree and then rationalize.

[@Qubicle.]

@@jasonwhite6463 not to this channel's audience. and repeated details never hurt. you're telling me EVERYONE who watched this podcast had seen destiny or other people talk about the details on things related to jan 6? I don't think so.

[@RandallJacobs-bp8uw]

I think your TDS has blinded you from Common sense, which this man has a lot of.

[@Prometheus4096]

They do it because Harris is somehow even worse.

[@transient_man]

Noam’s mental gymnastics is fascinating to watch. Trump is good on foreign policy? Really? Harris had him pegged: he’s a fool who’s easy to manipulate with flattery and favors.

[@Prometheus4096]

Watch the fake acting where he makes the case that because of international politics, and Harris being such a weak world leader, he just has to vote for 'cheater Trump'. It is at like 1:36:50.

[@brownfox1540]

noam*

[@transient_man]

@@brownfox1540appreciate the correction fixed it 👍

[@adamz6675]

I've never seen a man of that age do that level of gymnastics without breaking his back.

[@ericrhodes186]

I just saw yoga. What gymnastics?

[@masterfire523]

Ik its so suprising for being 80 Years old Trump didnt break his back after believing the Election was still stolen. Even after all the court cases that he lost lmao. What a loser

[@SoloDallasII]

I'm only halfway through but he's not that bad. These comments are making him out to be Rob Norr.

[@KryMoore]

Destiny should stretch before attempting such gymnastics.

[@MD-en6ji]

Destiny is like an encyclopedia.... He literally knew every detail they brought up. Impressive shit.

[@Toquer88]

More like Wikipedia where half the information is bullshit

[@Toquer88]

You're easily impressed

[@nickchampagne9387]

​@@Toquer88gotta give props to the amount of research he did it all live on stream

[@Toquer88]

@@nickchampagne9387 Yeh, okay. My problem is that about half of what he says in this stream is simply his opinion but he states it like it's been proven. Many of the things he said are absolutely unprovable but not to him. He can read minds. He can take in a lot of information but he spouts equal amounts of garbage.

[@Mezcaudill]

@@Toquer88what does he spout that’s not fact?

[@rayray66]

I love this video. I've never seen someone like Destiny study January 6 so thoroughly and know all the court cases and names. I'm convinced Trump knew he was lying and wanted to disrupt the election. The man cannot tolerate losing. He's such a horrible person and his followers excusing his behavior is appalling.

[@zacharycompton5624]

Dude, if you disagree with destiny, you have to actually respond to the information he gives you. Why do you not want to get into the weeds on these topics?

[@NugKnights]

Feelings don't care about your facts.

[@zacharycompton5624]

@@NugKnights tru

[@jediryan9454]

That old guy had his MAGA talking points on a loop.

[@3magikarpinamansuit281]

Getting into the weeds means actually testing the beliefs.

[@lastmouseontheleft]

Right leaning toxic centrism is so hard to listen to.

[@maviebaby]

Well said.

[@philbobstreehouse4900]

Exactly.

[@Boboliciouus]

almost harder to listen to than the extreme right ironically...

[@mrjtfang2]

@@Boboliciouus The kicker is that it's really ALL extreme right.

[@howdareyou41]

COVID shut down his club. He saw his friends going broke. And he had to blame someone.

[@elliedavies7138]

Every time destiny tried to talk about a specific fact that would shed light on what they were talking about they would immediately interrupt him to try and zoom way back out into broad nebulas terms so they didn't have to face the fact that they didn't know something... He was trying to talk about a specific example, given in the immunity ruling, by the supreme court in order to look at what they said shouldn't be reviewed criminally, only to be interrupted with the nebulas phrase "yeah they said some things couldn't be reviewed" why be scared to let him actually talk about the facts of the matter after being so confident that he was wrong and you were right??

[@AJThielmann]

​@EweManaTuozaafiwhy would a good faith actor feel they had to defend bad positions?

[@404Dannyboy]

@@AJThielmann Because they emotively defend those positions.

[@cadenceew7933]

@@AJThielmann I’d argue it might be a little bit of cognitive dissonance. He doesn’t want to believe the US and Supreme Court are in a bad position so he will justify their ruling, and Trump’s behavior, regardless of the reality. I don’t know if that makes him bad faith, just unknowingly biased toward defending bad actors.

[@SoloDallasII]

​@@AJThielmann Are you really asking whether it's possible for a person to be wrong unintentionally?

[@AJThielmann]

@@SoloDallasII my options are believe he is willingly ignoring facts or pretending to not understand basic deduction to fit his prefered narrative or to believe he is a moron.

[@mndayman]

“Well let’s not get too deep into the weeds…” oh, the facts don’t matter?

[@Kai-lp5ej]

Exactly 🤣

[@GrahamSiggins]

Lmao dude the amount of times I've heard someone say this to Destiny when they are so obviously losing the argument to him is hilarious

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@GrahamSiggins The Lazy Gardener Fallacy is probably the most common one Destiny has come across.

[@howdareyou41]

Norm the lazy gardener

[@jamesonrichards5105]

2 hours of “Don’t get into it because I don’t want to be proven wrong.”

[@Heirtovenus]

Like why are they doing this long form convo if not to get into the damn weeds

[@mattconstantine9884]

Mike Pence deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He should have got it DAY ONE of Biden's presidency for the single greatest act a Vice President has ever made, certifying the election in 2021, under duress and pressure from his own President not to. It is shameful Biden hasn't given him an award. (Edit: Biden got one from Obama. Pence is more deserving. Anyone should recognize that.

[@SDREHXC]

I hate pence but the dude is a legit American hero for doing that.

[@deviouskris3012]

Is the bar so low now. That merely doing your job is considered medal worthy.

[@ThaWiz11]

​@deviouskris3012 all medals are given to people who are doing their job

[@aSSGoblin1488]

its amazing that the doj buerocracy and pence were the ones that held

[@JamesJordanson]

If he had gotten it immediately after the elections it would have fed into trump's lies about the rigged election and might have also killed Pence's career as a republican

[@anttttmannnn]

I wish they had more time LOL Destiny was rattling off facts

[@xorealslowmd]

Good work Destiny. Keep pushing the line.

[@michaelehlert9]

This explains why trump is yelling about cats and dogs, he knows he is full of shit and guilty. This is the best explanation of Jan 6th I’ve heard thus far.

[@Bori.1776]

It’s crazy the amount of water you carry for Trump. EVERY SINGLE TIME you get called out on it and destiny was about to explain the factual basis you just ran away. “I don’t know, I don’t know” for someone who doesn’t know you have some strong opinions against Kamala & for support of Trump. Ridiculous.

[@IRepko]

Little bit of constructive feedback, sometimes you should allow your guest to get the last word on an issue when you feel like it’s going off the rails

[@MD-en6ji]

Holy fuck why wouldn't they let Destiny talk about the Supreme Court decision to give the president CRIMINAL IMMUNITY. Destiny knows it all, the hosts are clueless about it and confidently wrong!

[@adtastic1533]

All Presidents have criminal immunity, like you can't bomb a wedding in Yemen but Obama can.

[@zarbins]

It is qualified criminal immunity - "from criminal charges for their official 'core constitutional' acts but not unofficial acts." This has largely been granted to ALL presidents historically, based on a presidential presidency and understanding, but had to be written into law given the weaponization of the DOJ by the DEMS given their unprecedent criminal charges against a former president. Obama could have done the same against Bush and Bush could have done the same against Clinton, but that wasn't how we used to operate.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinswhy did ford pardon Nixon? Why did Nixon accept?

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbins​​⁠”this has largely been granted to ALL presidents historically” this statement means nothing. This legal doctrine is brand new and based largely on a single line in the federalist papers about a speedy executive. It contains none of the examples you claim exist.

[@meteorwalkergg]

​@@zarbins none of the prior presidents you mentioned ever committed fraud against the American voter by installing false electors every one of the prior presidents you mentioned conceded to their losses & traditionally, patriotically, were each the core participant in the peaceful transfer of power between officials for the position The reason you're (willfully) ignorant of these facts are because you're anti-American.

[@TheGreatTake]

Great debate Destiny cleaned the plate.

[@chad872]

Noam is yoga master folding himself into a pretzel making excuses for djt

[@deviouskris3012]

He holidays in the Philippines. They call him the Manila folder.

[@harijotkhalsa9496]

When talking about Trump's possible violent intent you have to bring up that that same testimony (Cassidy Hutchinson) said that Trump's reply to hearing that the crowd is chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" was "Maybe they should"

[@kiracite]

Holy shit no way

[@harijotkhalsa9496]

@@kiracite 'Pence deserves it, they're not doing anything wrong (chanting calling for him to be hung.' kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmTQgomQmdV5nq8

[@reddillon8425]

Yep, but brainrotted MAGA goons will claim it's a lie anyway. For a MAGA, anything short of Trump writing up, signing, and then reading a declaration out loud PHYSICALLY in front of every single MAGA (because a video could be ai generated!) WITHOUT a microphone (they could be tampered with!) but still projecting his voice enough that he intended to violently rise against the US Government because he wanted to be a dictator isn't good enough.

[@beenlegend1661]

Last year, Hutchinson testified before the House Jan. 6 committee that she overheard then-White House counsel Pat Cipollone and then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows recounting Trump's reaction when told rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" -- that he responded he "deserves" it.

[@andrewpaolini5612]

Did you see how easily Kamala baited Trump on that debate stage? And we still have people thinking Harris would be "weak" on the world stage compared to Trump? Why? Because he is loud and angry, and you confuse that with strength?

[@DannyIMCF]

The sad reality is that good number of people are saying that only because she's a woman.

[@bigdog91paper]

Because she's a woman and they're sexist

[@joshuaford9942]

The host sounded like that chick Destiny debated yesterday. He was very much in the feeling of “well you never know what’s in someone’s heart and mind” when he kept calling SCOTUS “patriots”. Like wtf does that even mean when Thomas is taking in millions and who knows who else is taking more money because they’re corrupt.

[@MarcusWarcus40]

Yes Kim iverson. Mrs “well idk if he’s a dictator I’m not Russian”. That was gold. She is a paid Russian asset

[@reddillon8425]

literally every court trial relies on knowing what's in someone's heart and mind without them specifically telling you lol

[@joshuaford9942]

Uh, no. The evidence isn’t “well we think he was thinking murder and killed”. It’s “here’s gun powder residue, fingerprints on murder weapon, and arguing was heard moments prior”

[@BOOFtheejectbutton]

Extremely common Destiny W

[@JerryPallath]

He's been getting back since he's quieted the Israel arc.

[@BOOFtheejectbutton]

@@JerryPallath real ones know he never left

[@slime8177]

Destiny knows his stuff

[@zarbins]

Not really. College drop-out that spent his formative years gaming. It's great he can crowdsource information from his audience and use google, but he's a shallow thinker.

[@Profoundimpact2]

@@zarbinsAnother brain dead MAGA..we all watched Destiny do actual research for weeks researching this stuff online…

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinsin a space full of non thinkers and liars

[@haha-ps2pz]

Ah yes he's a college drop out so he can never know anything. Good job buddy. He definitely didn't document where he got all of this on stream.

[@bmxney3143]

@@zarbinslmao ur malding

[@meekamikamocha]

Destiny is so based.

[@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit]

It's a sign of the times when fuckin Liberals are "Based".

[@maviebaby]

Noam saying that 4yrs of Trump is worth it, because Trump "steered the ship" away from affirmative action type polities, is a WILD take. I could not disagree more. Noam even goes on to say that said "racial preference" policies were happening during covid... WHEN TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE!

[@reddillon8425]

The idea that an attempt to kill democracy with a violent storming of the capitol and an illegal coup attempt is worth it because there's may or may not be less DEI hires (Trump doesn't even care about that shit, Trump did shit to make himself and his friends richer and nothing else, it's known) is a BRAINROT take

[@jediryan9454]

Norm feels like a disempowered white man because DEI is evil.

[@velvet_bass]

Imagine trying to debate destiny on j6 in 2024 and thinking you’re gonna win

[@Heirtovenus]

They clearly aren’t dgg

[@imaginaryfanboy]

Destiny should have asked 'What would it take for you to believe Trump did all that knowingly, intentionally, and maliciously?' because it always feels like short of a full blown confession, no one ever believes it, no matter how many facts they're presented with. Kids, there's all kinds of people who will walk all over you and take advantage of your good will because they know you will let them. Be aware of them, and don't let them.

[@Detson404]

It’s like a religious belief. It’s all make believe and self-deception. They don’t know because they don’t want to know. Because it would mean they’d been duped and that they’d have to disagree with their pro-trump friends and family.

[@reddillon8425]

The answer to that question, for 99% of these guys, "centrists" included, is: "Trump would have to be a democrat president"

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

A confession wouldn't change their mind either.

[@shivers222]

Donald Trump absolutely did say he would be dictator on day one, on multiple occasions, not just on the show with Hannity.

[@Sleepygamerr]

Saying the guardrails would’ve held is not a defense for Trump lol

[@mmm39467]

He was so happy to make fun of the JAQers. Then continued with "Oh I don't know" about the dangers of Trump. And then ended with a Harris BLM quote that showed her evilness, that he admittedly didn't look too far into. I'm not so sure Steven is the one that is too far gone.

[@DrJupiterKing]

Hell yeah Destiny is back 💪🏻

[@shvnj]

This was great bring him back again soon

[@Rondo1949]

Destiny should be arrested for elderly abuse because he just murked this boomer

[@smartphoto59]

It truly was a beating.

[@AustinAx]

​@smartphoto59 I'll show you a true beating if you slip off those britches

[@jediryan9454]

It's so funny watching Trump fans and right wingers still wishing after 9 years what if he just acts like a normal human being. He is an almost 80 year old man, he is who he is and will never change.

[@Marieg0]

Holy cow, destiny was right. All online centrist are just trump apologists. The defensive talking points that pop out of his mouth on the drop of a hat are dumbfounding.

[@jamrollz]

Norm is too far gone

[@brownfox1540]

noam

[@jediryan9454]

Irony being was that he was accusing Destiny of being too far gone. Never seen a "centrist" defend Trump so much.

[@jamrollz]

​@@jediryan9454you don't understand this white ny billionaire is the greatest victim in the world /s

[@ashylarry5500]

The handwaving of Trump's actions during the insurrection is wild. So many people seem hell bent on carrying water for this dude for absolutely no reason, even people who Trump has made fun of (Elon Musk).

[@benblarney]

Why was I suggested the short one when the full version is posted

[@lobo2367]

Boomers don't know how YT works

[@DJhostiletonewexperiences]

they posted the clip first and there was a brief period where it was the only one of the two that had traction from the alogrithim

[@juanjones6463]

Destiny destroyed this MAGA Boomer

[@roeyapel4472]

Yes!! some of the Russian bots are on our side!!

[@OhAwe]

Steve did very well here. Great debating. Remarkable patience. Kudos.

[@solhigh1]

The one thing about Hunter Biden's Laptop is the fact the Technician should have been sued for breaching confidentiality. I work in the Tech Industry and have access to extremely sensitive data. Never once have I gone looking through a Notebook/PC looking for dirt. This is disgraceful and I would NOT leave my information with that Mac guy. This was a disgrace.

[@Prometheus4096]

You know Russia got the laptop, right? And gave it to Giuliani? We don't know this with 100% certainty. But this is what US intel believes.

[@MiasmaTazma]

He is suing him, I just looked it up and learned it lol.

[@bigdog91paper]

Literally had his private explicit images posted in Congress by Large Marge. How can that be okay to do to a private citizen?

[@Gronmin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he just leave his laptop at a repair place for an extended period? Most of those places have a policy that if you leave your device with them for an extended period they will claim ownership of the device (to recoup repair costs etc etc)

[@Prometheus4096]

@@Gronmin We don't know if this story is true. All we know is that Rudy Giuliani first got the laptop. And that he likely got it from Russia. And that many things on the laptop were altered by various sources.

[@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit]

Its really funny how the host immediately proved Steven correct. He went on a huge rant about DEI & affirmative action only to completely downplay a coup attempt against the US Government.

[@devalapar7878]

The Comedy Guy doesn't understand the Supreme Court immunity case. He doesn't understand what counts as an official act. We're talking about criminal immunity, not civil or some other weaker form of immunity. The standard for criminality is BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT! It's not easy to convict someone on BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. And yet most indictments actually end in conviction. So, no, lawyers don't just create mock trials.

[@NugKnights]

Yep. If there is no probable cause the case ends there. Whitehouse provides lawyers on staff to take care of any junk cases. The president dose not even need to know about it unless there is enough evidence to bring the case to trial.

[@MushieDude]

Noam is so charitable to Trump… narcissist recognizes narcissist.

[@jooseppielleese7156]

Noam isn't an narcissist but Destiny is

[@mokied]

@@jooseppielleese7156 neither is a narcissist (except Trump)

[@jamesonrichards5105]

Destiny was willing to go into depth on every disagreement but Norm didn’t want his ego to be hurt

[@albertosingsattimes]

A guy was planning to minecraft his pregnant wife and he spent months giving all the signs that he would. He bought the preparations, he told all his friends hed do it, to the public he would joke of it often, planned on what day he'd do it, bought the chemicals needed etc. The day finally came for him to do it and all he needed to do was pour the agents into her breakfast for her to eat. Before she started eating, the FBI came in and stopped her. He had failed to harm his wife and the baby. Should he be arrested? The action itself wasnt completed. Republicans. I defy you to answer this.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Mind you it is worse. He made the plan for his college roomates to poyr in the agents. Then while they were searching for her cereal he proceded to call up cops and tell them that he is gonna be swatted so ignore any calls.

[@zacharyleduc5392]

You can't accept being wrong. Thinking you're right is normal and very okay, but if someome says you're wrong, let them talk. If you can't get into the weeds that's because of your own incompetence.

[@PhattyPhil]

It just so happens that he evoked the word fight a thousand times in a speech right before they marched and it then turned into a violent riot. What a weird coincidence

[@noraththelost]

For a guy that says “I don’t know” a lot he sure has strong opinions about things.

[@benblarney]

A wise man knows he doesn't know a lot.

[@noraththelost]

@@benblarney a wise man doesn’t hold strong opinions while also saying “idk” and then call another man that is more well versed in a subject “too far gone”.

[@RisenThe]

@@noraththelost "All I know is that I know nothing" - Socrates.

[@lscizml]

@@noraththelost cool opinion!

[@noraththelost]

@@lscizmlthat’s actually a statement… lmao holy shit some of yall need school bad.

[@MrSpleenface]

While he did clip “every time Trump said fight”, anyone else think it’s a little weird that he RE-ORDERED the speech?! The “peacefully and patriotically” bit came before half those other clips. When Trump actually sent the mob to the capitol, the word “peaceful” hadn’t been uttered for an hour.

[@beauevans8027]

it hurts me to watch someone breaking their back carrying water for trump but honing in on one quote from kamala. insanity.

[@bentoomet8805]

“He never said he’d be a dictator day one.” He literally said it and Hannity asked him multiple times to clarify because he knew it looked bad and he just repeated it. The amount of ear plugging and yelling “nanana” when it comes to Trump is mind boggling.

[@comedycellarclips]

Post a link of him saying it that you believe is to be taken seriously,

[@bentoomet8805]

@@comedycellarclips you can’t post links in KZbin comments sections, but The National News Channel has the clip if type in “dictator day one”

[@leogomez8373]

​@@bentoomet8805 A month later and he still hasn't even touched your comment. I think he's doing the same thing as Trump, just giving BS claims and denying any presentation of evidence because if he acknowledges evidence, then he has to actually provide a solid counter and prove that the evidence wouldn't be valid.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

This guy carries so much water for Trump that he could single handily raise Titanic.

[@Dex2R7]

Is Noam a Trump supporter? I know his feelings on the nobility of the MAGA SCOTUS are a bit wild but he seems like he's relatively reasonable.

[@feelmypuddle4963]

Agreed, he's more charitable to Trump than I think is warranted, but it was a good discussion.

[@aaronlawrence6350]

"I like Nixon and Kissinger" is certainly... a take.

[@Observette]

Destiny’s biggest problem is immaturity but man, I don’t care what anyone says, this guy is whip smart when it comes to politics.

[@TheBlackDeath3]

Can't be sharp without a little edge!

[@keys5595]

I’d say more so how edgy he is. Hard to be mature around a bunch of immature people.

[@ITSMAYHEMproductions]

They say I’m a dictator, I’m not a dictator just on day one, I’m gonna close the boarder and drill baby drill… How can Noam say he didn’t say he’d be a dictator on day one?

[@comedycellarclips]

Because he didn't! He made a joke to Hannity. Look it up.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@comedycellarclipsare you saying he didn’t say it or are you saying he was joking?

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

@@comedycellarclipseverything trump says is a joke. why are you supporting a clown for president?

[@lakcheong1499]

@@comedycellarclips The way you people would bend over backwards to defend trump. He didn't mean it, he was clearly joking, trump would never do that type of thing, he's being silly bla bla bla... These are the excuses you trump suckers always make. Like, why can't you just own up to your support of the man without the excuses. You love the type of person that trump is and that includes all the thing that makes him trump. Just say so and don't make excuses.

[@Luke-wz9wc]

@@comedycellarclips Trumps dictator quote is from his speech before a live audience in Davenport, Iowa. There was no smile, sarcastic tone or laughter.

[@lindholmaren]

nahh this was so chill until he had to dogwalk him through j6 and the host started excusing it 💀

[@frankmaxwell2052]

Can someone explain why, “trial by combat” is clearly not referring to violent? How is he coming to that absolute conclusion?

[@Principezone]

Because Biden lied that one time in 2020

[@MiasmaTazma]

No, and I don't think he can either.

[@kiracite]

When I hear it it sounds more like a combat between the courts and their arguments. I still think the rhetoric of those speeches, their timing, etc etc are plenty to fit nicely into the rest of the entire plot btw, but that line doesn't do it for me.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@kiracitethe term for what your talking about is a trial.

[@ishiftat9]

This threw me too. We're saying a (previously) licensed attorney is specifically mentioning trial by combat as opposed to... I dunno... regular trial because he genuinely believes it should be hashed out in court like a regular trial would? Trial by combat is literally "Let's fight and whoever wins is right." I don't see how that can be hand-waved away.

[@dooz8029]

Good show

[@Sunnywastakentoo]

This seemed like a lovely show for about the first half, but once it got onto Trump, I got extremely disappointed. To continue to defend a man who should have some of the highest expectations in the world is crazy to me, especially when the person defending him seems otherwise to be roughly left leaning.

[@xokyle]

Your editors cut the most watched segment of this from your 38min video, and possibly the most interesting moments of the events leading up to J6. The stuff with Clark is insane. You should learn more about it.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

Mike Pence seem to have been the champion of USA? ddnt realize😢

[@blackhat4206]

He upheld his oath to the constitution after being asked to break it by the President, yes. He earned a good deal of respect that day.

[@thekingofnido]

@@blackhat4206 its crazy to think we owe such a large debt to the few republicans who stood strong that day when the rest of their party was trying to destroy American democracy.

[@jordanwhite8718]

Honestly, watching this guy turn his spine into a pretzel trying to defend Trump really shows how some Americans shouldn’t be allowed to vote. There’s no way I’d watch the show with Destiny was not on it.

[@DiogoFerreira]

embarrassing you think the host shouldn't be allowed to vote, grow up

[@jordanwhite8718]

@@DiogoFerreira nope

[@FBZOMBlES]

That type of voter is a tiny minority. The actual problematic voters are the low-information, low-IQ voters (yourself included). These people vote based on who celebrities endorse and whoever promises the most things, no matter how unrealistic the proposal is.

[@Mobius-ow7id]

@@DiogoFerreira Exactly. That sounds like they want an orwellian regime where the government makes all the decisions and everyone is forced to comply or be dealt with. They still won't condemn the attempt on trump which was a attack on democracy.

[@feelmypuddle4963]

I agree that he holds too much water for Trump, but he seems pretty reasonable and open to listening to the other side. If more republicans were like that perhaps politics could get back to discussions about policy rather than maga brainrot

[@btsan408]

"I know a lot of people who are in denial." LOL, he's talking about himself

[@ElDragow]

Untill people stop treating and judging Trump like a restarded child, me and the rest of the world with a brain will call him a restarded child.

[@Matthias-sd8hk]

Very strong opinions - much less certain about facts. The fact the guy tries to spin the orange god emperors actions is mindblowing.

[@MADDcartman]

He has 100s of hours going over the most pedantic facts/documents/litigation surrounding Trump on stream. You don’t have to agree with his commentary. But acting like he hasn’t done the hw to establish the facts before venturing into opinion/commentary is just oblivious to his output for the last cpl years. Not to mention to breath of recall he performed here.

[@Matthias-sd8hk]

@@MADDcartman Not talking about steven ... none of the other guys did any research beyond fox and cherry picked opinions they believe as facts.

[@chriscole8714]

Thanks Destiny for bringing me to a platform that is so insanely centrist and stupid they think; “that wouldn’t of worked, so they wouldn’t want to try it”

[@chriscole8714]

First and last time listening to this moron holding water for Donny Dumpface

[@Pyro_55]

Destiny is awesome. Thanks for having him on.

[@danielbelfiore9128]

Didn't know this show was so hacky. Why is Trump graded on a curve everywhere you go?

[@THE1stBRAINinTOWN]

this is just an old jewish guy doing the "yes, but..." for trump for two hours

[@slurve0h]

"Wait, you got pagers HERE"?! - get this man a special.

[@IRepko]

I like these guys but he’s booming hard as fuck with the laptop story. I can sign into my email on literally any laptop. that’s not verification. There were other things to verify but the emails aren’t it.

[@mokied]

Yeah, that's ridiculous, emails are stored on the cloud for more than 20 years.

[@JayseabeeSTL]

"If the court tells him he can't do something, he doesn't do it. Trump obeys the legal system." LMAO, this dude is LOST. Are we sure he's referring to the same person?

[@Phreakazoid_]

Awesome episode! Also shoutout to all my fellow DGGers in the comments, ily.

[@benhaylock7097]

Rebulican breains are wild.