Live from the Table: Destiny on the Election and the Current Political Theme

Noam Dworman and Dan Naturman are joined by Destiny. Steven Bonnell II, commonly known as Destiny, is a prominent figure in the online gaming and political commentary sphere. Renowned for his incisive debates and unfiltered opinions, Destiny has cultivated a large following on platforms like Kick and KZbin. With a background in professional gaming, he transitioned to political discourse, often engaging in discussions on controversial topics with a focus on logic and reason. His blend of gaming, politics, and sharp rhetoric has made him a polarizing yet influential figure in digital media.

[@Therosx]

I agree with Steven. Donald was a joke on the world stage and nobody feared or respected him. Just a disgrace.

[@FBZOMBlES]

You're objectively wrong. If there were true there would have been much more chaos worldwide.

[@wren4077]

lmao yea he still is a joke like the conversations around him and about him are so bizarre, he should never have had given this platform. should've stuck to saying "you're fired" on TV.

[@FromTheAshes0762]

Even if Trump didnt intend for the mob to get violent, him watching for 3 hours and throwing his VP under the bus before even calling off the mob is an instant disqualification for me. Voting blue for the first and hopefully last time.

[@akselandor8975]

Yeah, at his point it's silly to say "well, i don't know what he really had in his mind", as if we can't infer state of mind from actions taken. Trump obviously wants a mayhem to take advantage of. Did he really thought people would storm the building? Did he ever thought of it as a coup or insurrection? Does it matter when all of his actions line up perfectly to his advantage?

[@Mezcaudill]

Absolutely! People are so eager to give trump a pass or treat him with kid gloves it’s depressing.

[@FromTheAshes0762]

@@akselandor8975 it shouldn't bit it seems so many people on my side have given there senses to MAGA. I supported him in 2016 and 2020 but that event turned me away. Country before party lines every time.

[@velvetCoker]

bless ya

[@adtastic1533]

Trump ain't even a conservative, he was a Clinton donor. His schtick ceased to be funny a long time ago.

[@mattconstantine9884]

Mike Pence deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He should have got it DAY ONE of Biden's presidency for the single greatest act a Vice President has ever made, certifying the election in 2021, under duress and pressure from his own President not to. It is shameful Biden hasn't given him an award. (Edit: Biden got one from Obama. Pence is more deserving. Anyone should recognize that.

[@SDREHXC]

I hate pence but the dude is a legit American hero for doing that.

[@Splycr591]

The willful ignorance about supreme court extremism is off the charts

[@drockopotamus1]

The supreme court hasn't done anything extreme by any stretch.

[@mokied]

@@drockopotamus1 blanket criminal immunity to a president is not extremem?

[@GoLifting]

For them to believe that our founding fathers would grant ANY form of sovereign immunity is crazy, when the only immunity even mentioned in our constitution applies to congress only…..

[@Splycr591]

@@GoLifting thats why we USED to rely on the Fitzgerald case. Presidents should be immune from civil liability. Its far easier to fall into civil litigation than it is criminal litigation. Presidents should NOT have criminal liability. If we vote in a president that conducts themselves in a criminal matter, they should face justice. However, in the case of the immunity ruling, Roberts takes the idea of civil immunity and then immediately says the president should have ABSOLUTE immunity. WTF IS THAT?!?! NO PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY!!! WE ARE NOT A NATION OF KINGS. The Fitzgerald case is for CIVIL liability.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

@@mokied Ratifying a power the president already had is not extremism

[@benblarney]

Why was I suggested the short one when the full version is posted

[@lobo2367]

Boomers don't know how YT works

[@BigLeafyTree]

It seems like a lot of the pushback on Destiny is “That would be bad if it was true, therefore it’s not true.” Which isn’t really a bulletproof defense.

[@Syriushh]

props for being old and not technologically illiterate and also open minded

[@VandalThoughts]

Destiny knows too much now. Watching people flounder is painful.

[@jackmerrideww]

All political commentators should be required to be on max dose of Vyvanse.

[@dougdimmadome9857]

this is nothing, he was ordained by the StarCraft gods. you have no idea how much stronger the guys up the ladder get 😂😂😂

[@VincentFulco]

He's a tool

[@meekamikamocha]

Destiny is so based.

[@MushieDude]

So tired of people grading Trump on a curve.

[@zarbins]

A curve is not needed when dealing with the shitshow that is the modern democratic party.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinswho in the Democratic Party compares even remotely?

[@haha-ps2pz]

Zarbins out here going full retard.

[@zarbins]

@@shanecorrigan8524 Thank you for making my point that he is beyond comparison and no one comes close.

[@mokied]

@@zarbins which democratic president refused to accept the result of an election, staged an insurrection attempt and then then went to the Supreme Court to ask for immunity for said insurrection attempt?

[@xorealslowmd]

Good work Destiny. Keep pushing the line.

[@MD-en6ji]

Destiny is like an encyclopedia.... He literally knew every detail they brought up. Impressive shit.

[@Toquer88]

More like Wikipedia where half the information is bullshit

[@Toquer88]

You're easily impressed

[@nickchampagne9387]

​@@Toquer88gotta give props to the amount of research he did it all live on stream

[@Toquer88]

@@nickchampagne9387 Yeh, okay. My problem is that about half of what he says in this stream is simply his opinion but he states it like it's been proven. Many of the things he said are absolutely unprovable but not to him. He can read minds. He can take in a lot of information but he spouts equal amounts of garbage.

[@Mezcaudill]

@@Toquer88what does he spout that’s not fact?

[@r_k_f]

i find the making excuses for Trump tiresome...

[@jamrollz]

Babies and elders need a pass until they're cogent enough to finish a logical statement. Until then a little coddling is ok I guess.😂

[@ANTIStraussian]

They think because he is a buffoon you can read between the lines, he was trolling the media, it was sarcasm. But statements by Harris are legally binding and final. Have your q anon cake and eat it too

[@Seaneey]

Why are they supporting an orange traitor?

[@wren4077]

like yea those excuses are valid and all but for the leader of the nation? maybe we can have better standards there. Higher ones.

[@joshcfc606]

Norms attitude towards Jan 6th is really frustrating..

[@vietimports]

typical right wing trump supporter who is too embarrassed to admit he supports trump lmao

[@grayaansi9812]

⁠Yep! He clearly supports him but is too much of a coward to actually admit it.

[@shvnj]

This was great bring him back again soon

[@DrJupiterKing]

Hell yeah Destiny is back 💪🏻

[@dooz8029]

Good show

[@elliedavies7138]

Every time destiny tried to talk about a specific fact that would shed light on what they were talking about they would immediately interrupt him to try and zoom way back out into the broad nebulas terms so that they didn't have to face the fact that they didn't know something... He was trying to talk about a specific example given in the immunity ruling by the supreme court in order to look at what they said shouldn't be reviewed criminally, only to be interrupted with the nebulas phrase "yeah they said some things couldn't be reviewed" why be scared to let him actually talk about the facts of the matter after being so confident that he was wrong and you were right??

[@EweManaTuozaafi]

I actually think Noam is a good faith actor having to defend a bad position.

[@jordanwhite8718]

Honestly, watching this guy turn his spine into a pretzel trying to defend Trump really shows how some Americans shouldn’t be allowed to vote. There’s no way I’d watch the show with Destiny was not on it.

[@DiogoFerreira]

embarrassing you think the host shouldn't be allowed to vote, grow up

[@jordanwhite8718]

@@DiogoFerreira nope

[@FBZOMBlES]

That type of voter is a tiny minority. The actual problematic voters are the low-information, low-IQ voters (yourself included). These people vote based on who celebrities endorse and whoever promises the most things, no matter how unrealistic the proposal is.

[@slime8177]

Destiny knows his stuff

[@zarbins]

Not really. College drop-out that spent his formative years gaming. It's great he can crowdsource information from his audience and use google, but he's a shallow thinker.

[@Profoundimpact2]

@@zarbinsAnother brain dead MAGA..we all watched Destiny do actual research for weeks researching this stuff online…

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinsin a space full of non thinkers and liars

[@haha-ps2pz]

Ah yes he's a college drop out so he can never know anything. Good job buddy. He definitely didn't document where he got all of this on stream.

[@bmxney3143]

@@zarbinslmao ur malding

[@SpacemanXC]

Guest of the year Destiny.

[@jasonwhite6463]

The amount of charity this guy extends to trump is INSANE. Trump supporters will bend themselves into knots to rationalize his crazy.

[@Qubicle.]

I think it's good for the context of this podcast. if he didn't push back on destiny's statements, then destiny won't get to as much details.

[@jasonwhite6463]

@@Qubicle. Destiny has been giving details for months. In this they were supposedly having a conversation so the details were meant for the two ppl Destiny was talking to. NONE of those details made a bit of difference. The guy would agree and then rationalize.

[@Qubicle.]

@@jasonwhite6463 not to this channel's audience. and repeated details never hurt. you're telling me EVERYONE who watched this podcast had seen destiny or other people talk about the details on things related to jan 6? I don't think so.

[@jamesonrichards5105]

2 hours of “Don’t get into it because I don’t want to be proven wrong.”

[@IamtheSenate203]

Great show. Seriously though, why do people give Trump infinite good faith? Its like a super power he has.

[@kondziu1992]

Because he was a president and probably a lot of them voted for him. So even if they changed their mind in 2020 they have bias because it would mean that they elected a criminal as their leader. To convince them you need to make sure that they dont feel personally threatened by the idea of trump being dangerous.

[@wren4077]

its not trump hes just on their side. so they cling on to him as soon as they eventually have an out. like say trump loses and the republican party comes to their senses and has a better nominee going forward, these very same people will start going "well yea we never liked liked him but he was just what we had" or some such bs.

[@solhigh1]

The one thing about Hunter Biden's Laptop is the fact the Technician should have been sued for breaching confidentiality. I work in the Tech Industry and have access to extremely sensitive data. Never once have I gone looking through a Notebook/PC looking for dirt. This is disgraceful and I would NOT leave my information with that Mac guy. This was a disgrace.

[@EweManaTuozaafi]

Wtf is happening, I’m reading the comments and Destiny is not being roasted. Oh wow

[@acason4]

Destiny is in God mode with respect to the knowledge of these topics. If you challenge him, you get demolished.

[@LowTempDabr]

I cant believe Destiny is in a legit comedy club

[@Dex2R7]

Is Noam a Trump supporter? I know his feelings on the nobility of the MAGA SCOTUS are a bit wild but he seems like he's relatively reasonable.

[@adamz6675]

I've never seen a man of that age do that level of gymnastics without breaking his back.

[@ericrhodes186]

I just saw yoga. What gymnastics?

[@masterfire523]

Ik its so suprising for being 80 Years old Trump didnt break his back after believing the Election was still stolen. Even after all the court cases that he lost lmao. What a loser

[@TheGreatTake]

Great debate Destiny cleaned the plate.

[@anttttmannnn]

I wish they had more time LOL Destiny was rattling off facts

[@IRepko]

Little bit of constructive feedback, sometimes you should allow your guest to get the last word on an issue when you feel like it’s going off the rails

[@kirkturner8872]

An incompetent insurrection attempt is still an insurrection.

[@TheMic13]

oh woah dropped the full video thanks noam! good shabbas

[@MushieDude]

Noam is so charitable to Trump… narcissist recognizes narcissist.

[@jooseppielleese7156]

Noam isn't an narcissist but Destiny is

[@mokied]

@@jooseppielleese7156 neither is a narcissist (except Trump)

[@jamesonrichards5105]

Destiny was willing to go into depth on every disagreement but Norm didn’t want his ego to be hurt

[@juanjones6463]

Destiny destroyed this MAGA Boomer

[@Matthias-sd8hk]

Very strong opinions - much less certain about facts. The fact the guy tries to spin the orange god emperors actions is mindblowing.

[@MADDcartman]

He has 100s of hours going over the most pedantic facts/documents/litigation surrounding Trump on stream. You don’t have to agree with his commentary. But acting like he hasn’t done the hw to establish the facts before venturing into opinion/commentary is just oblivious to his output for the last cpl years. Not to mention to breath of recall he performed here.

[@Matthias-sd8hk]

@@MADDcartman Not talking about steven ... none of the other guys did any research beyond fox and cherry picked opinions they believe as facts.

[@zacharyleduc5392]

You can't accept being wrong. Thinking you're right is normal and very okay, but if someome says you're wrong, let them talk. If you can't get into the weeds that's because of your own incompetence.

[@chad872]

Noam is yoga master folding himself into a pretzel making excuses for djt

[@frankmaxwell2052]

Can someone explain why, “trial by combat” is clearly not referring to violent? How is he coming to that absolute conclusion?

[@T1J]

very wild that there is a "but" after "he definitely tried to cheat and watched with glee as his supporters attacked the capitol"

[@Fallenskyz2]

Carrying water? Norm is a auqaduct for Trump in this conversation

[@PlayzBlanston]

"Im afraid that the Israelis can blow up my iPhone because Im an idiot"

[@hpmoon]

Video quality looking great!

[@sephiroth8517]

Great show! Good back and forth honest conversation. Both people just trying to get closer to the truth imo.

[@MD-en6ji]

Holy fuck why wouldn't they let Destiny talk about the Supreme Court decision to give the president CRIMINAL IMMUNITY. Destiny knows it all, the hosts are clueless about it and confidently wrong!

[@adtastic1533]

All Presidents have criminal immunity, like you can't bomb a wedding in Yemen but Obama can.

[@zarbins]

It is qualified criminal immunity - "from criminal charges for their official 'core constitutional' acts but not unofficial acts." This has largely been granted to ALL presidents historically, based on a presidential presidency and understanding, but had to be written into law given the weaponization of the DOJ by the DEMS given their unprecedent criminal charges against a former president. Obama could have done the same against Bush and Bush could have done the same against Clinton, but that wasn't how we used to operate.

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbinswhy did ford pardon Nixon? Why did Nixon accept?

[@shanecorrigan8524]

@@zarbins​​⁠”this has largely been granted to ALL presidents historically” this statement means nothing. This legal doctrine is brand new and based largely on a single line in the federalist papers about a speedy executive. It contains none of the examples you claim exist.

[@meteorwalkergg]

​@@zarbins none of the prior presidents you mentioned ever committed fraud against the American voter by installing false electors every one of the prior presidents you mentioned conceded to their losses & traditionally, patriotically, were each the core participant in the peaceful transfer of power between officials for the position The reason you're (willfully) ignorant of these facts are because you're anti-American.

[@ParkerFriedChicken]

I didn't see any defense of Trump, just that the host disagrees on how the history books will remember Trump's self-delusion. This is the best pushback against Destiny I've seen by far.

[@acason4]

You think “I disagree” is “good pushback”??

[@Joe45-91]

He has fully embraced his title as Sr. Tagliatelle

[@aSSGoblin1488]

Mike Pence seem to have been the champion of USA? ddnt realize😢

[@zolopane117]

I really admire the host’s willingness to go deeper than he’s comfortable. Obviously he came in with a set of facts, and he clearly disagrees with Destiny. It probably took a lot of restraint to hold his perspective while exploring in good faith While I’m very much on the Destiny side in this convo, this guy really does represent how a lot of my friends view things politically. It’s weird to hear the exact same “media was biased against trump”, “crazy man theory”, and “Kamala is weak internationally” stuff coming from someone who’s moderately informed, because not everyone can be Destiny

[@S_CampbellFOC]

Destiny is a girl's name.

[@fighters410]

Yes!

[@Rookie11]

great show!

[@adtastic1533]

I dont think internet conspiracy theories really change people's mind. People already believe what they want to believe and seek out confirmation. Its just the internet makes these people much more visible.

[@harijotkhalsa9496]

When talking about Trump's possible violent intent you have to bring up that that same testimony (Cassidy Hutchinson) said that Trump's reply to hearing that the crowd is chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" was "Maybe they should"

[@jayw6034]

I agree with destiny 100% on who trump is as a person on every level, but I feel like destiny owes these guys a super fun episode now lol. Destiny did the right thing imo bc the country is being held hostage by dishonest actors exploiting freedom of speech and the dissociating/checking-out effect of the internet, and the message of how fucked what trump and his cult are doing needs to get out. But these guys are not too far gone and, well honestly idk why I feel it, but they should get a fun episode lol.

[@streetsurgery]

Cool spectrum of guests

[@countvoncount42]

The learning of the Hunter Biden laptop story is: encrypt your harddisk.

[@noraththelost]

For a guy that says “I don’t know” a lot he sure has strong opinions about things.

[@benblarney]

A wise man knows he doesn't know a lot.

[@noraththelost]

@@benblarney a wise man doesn’t hold strong opinions while also saying “idk” and then call another man that is more well versed in a subject “too far gone”.

[@RisenThe]

@@noraththelost "All I know is that I know nothing" - Socrates.

[@lscizml]

@@noraththelost cool opinion!

[@noraththelost]

@@lscizmlthat’s actually a statement… lmao holy shit some of yall need school bad.

[@IRepko]

I like these guys but he’s booming hard as fuck with the laptop story. I can sign into my email on literally any laptop. that’s not verification. There were other things to verify but the emails aren’t it.

[@mokied]

Yeah, that's ridiculous, emails are stored on the cloud for more than 20 years.

[@matthewbonvillion8724]

I like the basis from which Noam forms his arguments. I wonder how much of his conclusions come from the observational nature of the world he's immersed in. In my view, you have to dig a little deeper than observation before drawing conclusions. Otherwise you're not challenging your own biases sufficiently.

[@mndayman]

“Well let’s not get too deep into the weeds…” oh, the facts don’t matter?

[@hollishill7945]

Look at destiny helping out smaller creators Goat shit

[@Fallenskyz2]

What's crazy Norm says Trump wouldn't have walked down there if you knew that there would be violence twin falls it up by admitting Trump revels incase in his name. Pathetic thought process honestly

[@kirkturner8872]

Destiny not the one whose far gone.

[@cristofersk8s]

Destiny is one of the best in this game of partisan geeks, and very entertaining. It's ultimately a hustle and he's in to make bread. You see when they talk about the laptop, he usually has pretty tight counters but the laptop he copes so hard it's hella funny

[@moah2012]

It was a great good faith discussion. But you gotta talk again on just foreign policy or bring coleman to speak to destiny!

[@frankmaxwell2052]

Wasn’t it that he used his own funds to help his campaign by burying the story? Therefor it would be in benefit to the campaign, hence campaign funds.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

58:33 Homer Simpson "her sweet..... Sweet ... can" The clock's hands jumping in the background had me rolling on the floor. This story reminds me of it every time.

[@aaronmeyers4845]

Why is he straight up lying about paxlivid

[@nopemcgee2831]

Uh oh, Tiny fans found the video and are already coping in the comments.

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

Prominent? I dont think this guy is very prominent anymore.

[@jamesonrichards5105]

The host has such a fragile ego and never wants to hear anything else that could disprove him.

[@BathoryDusk]

THATS MY STREAMA

[@zarbins]

Sad

[@stubbywankenobi1]

My problem with your argument on January 6 is that you are implying to know Trump’s intentions and thoughts instead of just weighing the actions and facts. Intimidation is all that is necessary for insurrection violence just happened on top of the intimidation. Also you have an image of Trump that doesn’t exist, he is handling a stressful situation like a child and you want him at the wheel of multiple conflicts across the world instead of the Woman who has handled stress like a professional

[@TCKaos]

That's a girl's name.

[@Dre-el7xm]

mkUltra blowback is strong with this one

[@negatron86]

This old guy says “I guarantee you” way too much as if just saying it makes him correct.😂

[@cephadee]

Great interview except the part about race.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Lol triggered

[@crisisOstrich]

DGGL

[@fighters410]

DESTINY

[@TheKingOfSpain]

“Comedian”

[@SpaceExplorer]

comedy!

[@crisisOstrich]

Please make Steven wear a blood pressure monitor next time you have him on

[@AspiringDevil]

Great to see Destiny back on & I thank you we're reasonable which is sadly rare.

[@TheOnailer]

Glad they were being nice to a female guest.

[@AM-bx8rt]

I stopped respecting anything Destiny said when he celebrated the murder of a father and firefighter because they were a Trump supporter. Vile human.

[@SuperKripke]

8:34 Noam really is a bottom dweller for implying that Ken Roth is a self-hating Jew for marrying in a church and "his lips tightened up" when talking about his Jewish heritage. These guys have lost their mind as a result of this genocide in Gaza.

[@brothercaptainxuul784]

Totally agree. Why can't we just think flattening Gaza was the wrong thing to do, just as I would criticize the American state and many of their awful war crimes, but I don't hate Americans .

[@adtastic1533]

People would take you more seriously if you stopped using unhinged terms like genocide. Gaza doesn't even pass the first hurdle when it comes to genocide.

[@SuperKripke]

@@adtastic1533 The first hurdle for genocide was passed before the ICJ earlier this year. There will be a moment when Israel allows foreign media and independent fact finders into Gaza to confirm the obvious. Be prepared for what excuse you'll use to defend Israel when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were found to have died through direct killing, starvation or disease.

[@mokied]

What genocide?

[@ADag83]

This was one of your best episodes. When Destiny went into his slippery semantic weaving and dodging, you called him on it and righted the ship masterfully to return to civil respectful conversation. You have a true gift Noam. And it helps that these are very interesting times.

[@meteorwalkergg]

'slippery semantic dodging & weaving'? I genuinely don't know what you mean

[@Bozowomp]

W

[@shelleycline3542]

Wait. So you have to speak the language of the thing you're studying? So why does Destiny feel like he can debate Israel Palestein?

[@DannyIMCF]

Destiny doesn’t claim to be a historian. Finkelstein does.

[@vegapunkrecords]

There was a WHOLE arc during the Israel trip when he talked to historians on both sides of the conflict where he realized that being able to read the historical documents in its original language generates insights about the mindset of the people at the time that is lost in cultural translation. He’s saying that here because he learned that lesson and realizes how important language is in historical analysis. Therefore, if you claim to be a historical authority, the least you should expect is to be able to actually read the stuff. The reason that he is willing to debate is because he is NOT claiming to be a historical authority. He is simply synthesizing and explaining the perspectives of the historians that he HAS talked to / read. He does not claim to be a historian. He claims to be a debater and a rhetorician. He has repeatedly stressed this point - that he’s NOT an authority, and has only read on the topic for a year. It’s just that the people he debates are either LESS informed on the topic, or extraordinarily ideological about it.

[@meteorwalkergg]

I'm sorry your genocide of the 🇮🇱 people is going in the opposite direction 🎻 thoughts and prayers

[@gokhanegene8226]

I wish mr bonnelli said to Norman s face directly that he is not a proper historian because of his lack of arabic and hebrew language skills. He can only talk behind his back. Jajssjjw

[@DannyIMCF]

He literally told him multiple times throughout the debate that he does not speak Hebrew and that he’s a pop historian. This furthers my theory that anyone who thought Finkelstein did well didn’t actually watch the debate.

[@gokhanegene8226]

@@DannyIMCF If you could give me the minutes of this statement, I would really appreciate it. I'm trying to follow it as best as I can. Still, both in the program with Comedy Cellar and in the stream with Destiny, those who easily make fun of Norman in echo chambers definitely didn’t show the same performance in front of him. Or at least it seems that way to me. Polarization has already become very sharp on this issue. These conversations don't seem to contribute to changing minds.

[@meteorwalkergg]

No one cares about Normal Fingerstain

[@mokied]

@@gokhanegene8226 You can find it on the full debate on Lex Friedman channel at 2:00:03 *Steven:* I'm gonna believe the guy that wrote the stuff! *Norman:* You read what Wikipedia said. *Steven:* That's great. *Norman:* I read Benny Morris *Steven:* And you don't even speak Hebrew and you call yourself an Israeli historian.

[@brothercaptainxuul784]

Destiny seems to think these " brilliant" little notions he has , make him extremely clever..except they are usually extremely facile common sense.

[@undrscoreex]

Can you give an example of this?

[@Kino-yy8ou]

@@undrscoreex I don't think they can haha

[@vegapunkrecords]

Him compiling a 20,000 word document trawling through hundreds of pages of summary judgement documents, video exhibits, and internal White House memos (all live and recorded btw), and coming to the conclusion that the evidence supports a certain criminal mindset alleged in the indictment. That’s an example of “extremely facile common sense”??? How about the fact that his analysis of the immunity case was due to reading the Court’s own writing in Nixon v Fitzgerald about not extending civil leeway to criminal cases? How about the 5 hour discussion he had with 3 lawyers about the minute details about how part 2C of Eastman’s memo would cause a constitutional crisis since it wasn’t clear how it affected the process laid out in the constitution? How about the interview with Shlomo Ben-Ami talking about Arafat’s mindset at Camp David, and what the negotiating pressure looked like from the Palestinian side? What part of any of that is facile or common sense?

[@meteorwalkergg]

I think he's pretty clever, yeah

[@2norberto]

​@undrscoreex he not going to give an example

[@brothercaptainxuul784]

You know what we hate Destiny? The Hubris of a terminally online cideo game playing debate bro, to flippantky dismiss Norm Finklesteins scholarship. He is ornary, arragant at times, and certainly not perfect in every opinion he has, but he is a legitimate scholar, who has dedicated years and years of his life to his craft. You study an issue for 6 months, go on a guided propagana tour of Isreal and the west bank, use online articles, wikipedia and excerpts from books to form your opinions , and then have the tumerity to call Norman a hack. He is known for his scholarship, and its not even questioned by any serious academic. His opinions sure, but you dismiss his actual work, and you dont even read one single book , cover to cover in your research.

[@pjhaze]

Check your spelling. So people take your “propananda” seriously. Thank you

[@st2rseeker]

Maybe you should read up on the controversies surrounding Finkelstein and on criticisms of him and his work before dismissing the dismissal. This appeal to (non-existent) authority is the intellectual laziness that allowed him to operate all these years - and is usually employed when people can't counter the actual arguments presented.

[@adtastic1533]

Finkelstein is a psychopath and a hack who.lives at his Mom's house. The only thing scholarly about him is his ability to cut and paste quotes out of context. One trick pony that's played the same old trick for decades. Go read how he tried to get his Dominican neighbours deported, and turned up on their doorstep with a sledgehammer. Just because he didn't like their baby crying. Total nutcase.

[@MADDcartman]

Norman meme’d the whole time on Lex. Steven has every right to completely dismiss him imo. To quote Bennys book back to him instead of just making an argument; to just ignoring Steven having a seat at the table. That encounter alone told me enough about the seriousness and rigor in which Norman takes these media sprees he takes every time Israel is in the news.

[@brothercaptainxuul784]

Yes, on Lex Friedman..Norm is old school and doesnt take podcasts seriously, but his work is well established and so is his scholarship. The commenter above is referring to criticism of Norman, and its never to do with his actual scholarship, its for his opinions and his bedside manner. ​@MADDcartman

[@dcgamer1027]

1:14:36 That only applies to non core powers, One could easily argue that commanding the military is core if not the most core power of the president, which means it would not be heard by any courts at all.

[@sephiroth8517]

14:30 ish reminds me about "Whats a dictator?"

[@thelightwielder]

38:00 the leap in logic from this guy is insane, just because you think people would do things a specific way means they actually would. It just shows your lack of imagination

[@wastedgenius1354]

the hoops people have to jump through to defend trump is incredible. bring back normal, rational politics please.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

25:30 Joe Rogan said he would do this YEARS ago. I commeneded him for it at the time.. but since then the actions havent lived up.

[@adtastic1533]

He did it, he just spent the entire episode pushing back against the legit expert and let Malone spruik any BS he wanted. Consider this about Rogan. All his advertisements are about supplements and alternate therapies. The guy has investments in these companies and he's sold these investments for substantial profits. If he caught Big Pharma doing the same he'd be the first one to accuse them if a criminal conspiracy. It all starts to make sense.

[@edr1213]

At least he tried that recently with having Flint Dibble on.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

@@edr1213 I don't know that the exception proves the rule. But credit wher credit is due.