Don't Let This Happen - Tunneling Thrush ... Exposed

[@Kay-ng2uk]

Ty!!!!! Most informative video on KZbin!!!! The time you spend on these videos to explain how to do this and how it works is awesome!!! Sorry I just now found you!

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

Great work, EXCELLENT work, and thank you for sharing 👍👍 Also thank you for using my favorite tool - a good screwdriver 😊👍👍 For all the wannabes below - "thrush" as described in this mess is gonna have every bacteria and fungus imaginable in there. This isn't your baby's thrush chimers below. NOT AT ALL BEING CRITICAL- Only thing I'd recommend is flushing it more aggressively with higher pressured 50% bleach - 10% as you said is for hospitals - this is a nasty infected hoof. After that if you flush it with hydrogen peroxide it will eat away and dissolve the surface necrotic tissues and eat it's way deeper in the tissues killing the fungus and bacteria that have colonized the effected tissues. Unless that resin is a potent antiseptic, I'd soak that hoof daily in 50% bleach for at least three days, flush it with H202 after and blow dry it - and maybe paint it with iodine. Then after 3-4 days of this treatment use the resin filler. The reason the condition smells the way it does is from ANAEROBIC bacteria and fungi - thus the need to both soak it, apply hydrogen peroxide and blow dry it good to get oxygen in the tissues. If you seal in infected tissue - which there absolutely is in the deeper tissues - you run the risk of "walling off" the infection and allowing it to continue necrotizing ("tunneling") deeper, and/or abscess formation. Regardless of recommendations - excellent job - and great idea on hoof growth acceleration - didn't know that 👍👍 Thanks again my friend

[@susanflowers7969]

Dr. Mike Johnson I REALLY liked your comment!

[@cryptobirddog334]

Similar hoof resection 3 months ago~ Checkers is Doing Great. Thanks for showing.

[@Skyhors3]

In my long experience I found white line disease most often where the horses were kept on land where there used to be pigs. Cows too, but mainly pigs. Perhaps the high nitrogen content of the soil is a cause or contributing factor. Thrush involves the frog. So many suggestions for treating thrush, here's mine: 7% Iodine. Overuse can dry and harden the frog.

[@ernestgarcia42]

White line disease is the proper name for it in my 38 years of being a farrier I have never heard of tunneling thrush.. with that said it should stay open so the owner can doctor it and allow it to air out because if your initial spraying did not kill it; it will continue to spread under your epoxy up the hoof wall. If worried about support then use quarter clips or a band across open area. That's what I would do but I guess to each it own.

[@jasoncox4234]

Spot ON.

[@abbyrivers9971]

There is no tunneling turnen but indeed whiteline desease. (am alsof Farrier 😁)

[@preecey18]

Absolutely, anaerobic fungus, let the air to it, and it’ll kill it off. No need for sprays initially. Keep it clean and dry, keep it tidy every trim, jobs a gudden 👍🏻👍🏻

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

"Thrush is a VERY COMMON bacterial infection that occurs on the hoof of a horse, specifically in the region of the frog. The bacterium involved is Fusobacterium necrophorum,..."... STUDY UP!😊 It's most common in the frog, but labeling something that's a NECROTIZING INFECTION a "disease" is factually INCORRECT. Although some infections are mislabeled as "disease" - the only correct application of "disease" is for autonomous conditions NOT arising from a primary infection. In this case "White Line Disease" (an old name that probably originated before micro biology was discovered, is a misnomer) is IDENTICAL TO "Thrush" - so really just semantics👍 Both infections are "mixed bag" infections of anaerobic bacteria and fungus that necrotize the tissues of the hoof. As I said above in other post - I agree that it should be soaked in 50% bleach, flushed with H202 and blow dried daily for at least 3-4 days. PS/disclaimer - I'm a people surgeon, not a vet 😊

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

@@preecey18 air is necessary - flushing it with MORE pressure and 50% bleach is a MUST. Air can't penetrate the surface dead tissues - if it could the infection wouldn't progress to begin with! Merely unroofing it won't kill the infected deep tissues > Flush, SOAK DAILY with 50% bleach, mechanically debride and flush again with H202 to "chemically debride" and penetrate. Then blow dry it 😊👍 Will be cured in a week vs potentially necrotizing deeper under the dead tissue you left there

[@heavyhaul8621]

Sir,, you are a master of your trade.

[@susanflowers7969]

Sir it was good information but unfortunately it took you too long to explain what you’re doing to help him. But! It’s appreciated that you DID help him. And so! Thank you for that! God Bless

[@scotte2815]

Just curious about the sanitizing solution you chose. Bleach is a great sanitizer and a very good cleaner but it is a caustic and takes up to 20 mins contact time for surfaces that are typically found in a kitchen. I can imagine that a horses hoof may never be fully sanitized. Still I'm sure that your 10% bleach solution will work just fine However! Have you considered a 50/50 solution of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide? It's acidic rather than caustic and works nearly instantaneously on any thing. Just curious

[@jamiegillette5984]

See i was thinking the same thing . not as harsh. And to be honest I wouldn't use bleach on myself so why would I use it on my horse. Or any animal for that matter .

[@kelliebell1284]

Dilute bleach (aka Dakin's solution) is regularly used for wound care in both humans and animals.

[@silky2204]

Thanks for the info. But did use vinegar while cleaning the hoof. This changes the Ph.

[@MegF142857]

I have had CleanTrax Deep Penetrating Equine Hoof Cleanser with a soaking boot process recommended. Did the vet know you were removing the hoof that way? I'd like to see video of the horse and hooves later to believe the outcome.

[@susanflowers7969]

That is a VERY GOOD point! I would love to see a follow up video as well.

[@davidcannon1094]

Why would you do all this with a shoe on? Take the shoe off, pack with copper sulfate, then seal up with equeknox, reinforce with fibre glass fabric. Then bang a shoe on! That thrush is 💯 coming back!!

[@preecey18]

David Cannon nah don’t pack it with anything. Leave it open, let the air kill the fungus. It’s anaerobic.

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

No it won't. U leave the shoe on to protect the weakened hoof on either side of the defect. And you NEVER .... EVER....SEAL OFF AN INFECTION OR ABSCESS.... N...E...V...E...R...!!! You remind me of a PA I worked with who wanted to put a cast on a lb elderly ladies' raging cellulitis and ulcer on her foot and ankle! Luckily she was smarter than him and said no b4 she saw me

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

You OPEN IT UP - TREAT IT, AND KEEP IT OPEN SMALLS 🤨

[@oatesequineservice]

Tunneling thrush is not a thing. Why cant we stick with the already know descriptions like white line disease, just a thought.

[@Brigidz]

Thrush is a fungus not a bacteria

[@abbyrivers9971]

inreed this is White Line desease and the horse needs to be seen by a vet ASAP( I AM a license Farrier )

[@hrsnrnd10]

I have never heard of tunneling thrush. I have heard of white line or seedy toe. Same thing? Poor guy...to be lame for so long when he could have been healing. Unbelievable how many individuals don't have a clue or the knowledge.

[@silky2204]

I rehabbed an OTTB about age 18. The hooves were horrible. But I used Thrush Buster. The horse was suffering from thrush so bad she could not stand on 3 feet while I worked on the front.

[@douglasholley2453]

Was this horse in great pain before you started treating this horse? And I do understand that you don't want to say anything bad about the previous farrier letting this condition get so terribly inflected. Thanks for the education

[@sunnahberkuda8574]

I like the way to solve the problem of damaged nails

[@cb5600]

Are you going to post a follow up vid? How about removal of the repair ?

[@lorineidtinytoadplot744]

He did say it grows out and you trim it like you normally do

[@meganpahl3612]

in addition to my last question, could you suggest a hoof oil and hardener that is safe to apply to the sole of the hoof while thrush is hiding in there? My horse needs this benefit but I am deathly afraid to trap in bacteria if it is not all gone yet.

[@annagarner1280]

Hay Patrick wheres more recent videos bud ? I haven't seen any of them in quite some time...😢

[@bhagmeister]

Consider lifting defective hoof in order to better apply the synthetic wall material to ensure a better & cleaner seal.

[@MrEst1953]

The hair style has to be a safety issue, love the video very smart guy and very informative. Thanks..

[@k8eekatt]

Next episode, how tunneling thrush affects human hair :D

[@shermigz]

He's an idiot

[@plushpossum]

OMG!!!!!! I have never seen anything like that in my life!!!!! Not on a live horse, anyway. I had no idea a horse could lose that much hoof wall!!!!

[@nicolecourt7829]

He .. it’s my tooth brush !😂

[@claney61]

The vegetable oil is a good idea especially for people on a budget

[@apachespook71]

Thanks... I have a Q to ask you about regarding a solid crack going from coronet band to the ground. But I shall wait till daylight to call!!

[@gregvanharn4805]

so much wrong information here, please dont spread anymore bad information on you tube just the camera away and get some education

[@derrickpeters2803]

I appreciate your video. Very interesting. I wonder where these experts, videos showing what they are talking about are.

[@meganpahl3612]

I need to ask about warning signs BEFORE these large cracks. Ive got a mare who constantly has thrush on her front right. I kill it, and it decides to come back in its white chalky form. I keep treating. I have an arabian and they are known for having naturally stinky feet. Meaning the chalky sole stinks like human feet-yuck! So I am constantly worried that thrush may be hiding in her hoof wall.

[@suzettekath9860]

How is that poor horse doing now?

[@clambino7980]

Spread on a wall near you.

[@susanflowers6282]

Poor horse doesn't stand a chance of getting better.....

[@terrisimmers9784]

How about apple cider vinegar to wash the rot?

[@silky2204]

What about Thrush Buster?

[@Open2OpenUT]

That horse hasn’t moved once, is it doped?

[@susanfoley8360]

It is. This was disclosed early on. Horse is feeling no pain as they say.

[@airportchronicles199]

If it is, who cares? Doing the horse a favor!

[@kathyjohnson9465]

Damn boy, soak that hoof in some copper-sulfate and pack it with dry crystals. That will be gone in no time. What do think us old timers used to do, vets & ferriers were a luxury. Kids these day! And get a hair cut!

[@kava2935]

Smh please grow up, Gah damn you suppose to be a Christian but judging people

[@nickwashburn723]

@@kava2935 100% agree the comments on this video blow me away

[@silky2204]

I never saw th vegetable oil treatment.

[@susanflowers6282]

I was wondering why he looked like he was ready to fall over. It sounds by all of the comments, you have no idea what you're doing! 😒

[@McChrister]

Farrier and horse are both doped up? Ok!🤤🍁🍃

[@lyria8469]

You jealous 'cuz he has more hair than you?

[@caroletimpson-wiltowski3731]

No iodine to kill thrush or hoof paste to encourage regrowth used or copper sulphate.Just bleach and a glue product and no cushioning between shoe and hoof?!

[@lisawrobel2980]

It's called seedy toe here in Australia 🤔

[@Makanshi]

Initial thoughts as a newcomer to the channel; If acid and mushrooms had a baby, and it was a person, and then it went to Florida to get it's hair braided on vacation. That's this guy. Second off, the previous joke has no bearing on his profession, and thank whatever divine force he's helping this horse. My poor dude. However, I have never heard of tunneling thrush. We just referred to this as White Line. Thoughts?

[@Guruton10]

So much incorrect bullshit here!!!Good idea to leave the Horses to a proper farrier!!!

[@melaniewolfgang604]

A bit louder please. I interesting work up. Very well explained!

[@ATLTraveler]

Yikes, wouldnt hire this ferrier if my life depended on it.

[@lowellmorse6723]

10:4! No Shit.

[@jasminepina9058]

Good video

[@Thea_MojaveOutliersWhipmakers]

Dat horse is baked. lol!

[@smilinwolfette1978]

Forma Hoof would be great on that front hoof that is cracked so bad.

[@preecey18]

Voice of Reason I got quoted £1k a mould, 10 difference sizes.. ouch!

[@clambino7980]

Do horses eat your hair?

[@shermigz]

This guy has no clue wtf he's talking about. Why tf is he using bleach on an animal??? They have special things to use. My God get this guy away from the horses!!!

[@kelliebell1284]

Oh there are lots of special things to use. There's a really expensive veterinary wound cleanser called Vetricyn or the human version, Dakin's solution which would be perfect. :/ (Both of which are dilute bleach.) Bleach has been and still is used regularly for wound care, both in animals and humans. The concentration is key.

[@raewhite9095]

Thrush is not a bacteria. Thrush is a fungus.

[@lightsout7034]

Dam that horse is on dope look how his acting

[@susanflowers7969]

lights out He’s in obvious pain! Poor thing!

[@lynnehuff9659]

He had the vet in to sedate him.

[@jogiehorseshoeing]

There's no such thing as tunneling thrush bro.

[@preecey18]

Vernon Jogie correct. Seedy toe, white line disease.... not tunnelling thrush

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

Ehhhh....YOU'RE FOS....HORSESHIT! This 100% is thrush disease - AND IT'S TUNNELING!! 😱😱🤯🤯

[@Rajinbin]

Bro I like you teaching but for the love of God get a hair tie for the lower hair please. I would also like to see a follow up on the horse.

[@brucerazor5202]

Gotta work on that hair, nothing worse than a guy going bald with long dreads

[@dianaa8677]

Oh my lord! 😮Poor baby that's neglect in the worse way!!😟 Work more as Yu talk please Iodine 100% works👍 Thank God your there for him! Great job"😁👍✨I bet he feels so much better!!!!✨Yaaay...💞

[@drdesert101]

"These are the cracks, and from this angle they look like uh cracks and that kinda stuff."

[@tinadcape6732]

Genuine turpentine works so well.

[@nickwashburn723]

he looks like he's wearing underpants on top haha

[@carlataylor5573]

Yes!!! 😂😂😂

[@longlowdog]

You lost me when you said thrush was a bacteria. Thrush is fungi. First and last time viewer. Adios.

[@longlowdog]

@michael konstantinovich bordwell Thrush is a yeast which belongs to the biological order of Fungi.

[@tommy1273]

Thrush is a fungus. Candida albicans. A fungus. Not a bacterium.

[@tommy1273]

michael konstantinovich bordwell I’m not disputing your knowledge of horse hooves. But I have studied microbiology, and I can categorically tell you that thrush is a yeast, which means it is a species of fungus. Class Saccharomyctes, Kingdom Fungi.

[@tommy1273]

michael konstantinovich bordwell Correct. Thrush in general medical (I’m an MD), veterinary and microbiology circles is a general term for yeast (fungal) infection - typically of a mucus membrane or skin e.g. mouth, genitals, joint creases etc. Typically C. albicans. It seems that the term thrush is being misused for horses hooves. I agree with you that the thing in the video definitely doesn’t look like thrush!!

[@kathybradbury]

Is he ok now?

[@gregvanharn4805]

over 20 yrs as a professional farrier i can be 99.99% sure this didnt work the way he thought it would, very bad advice!

[@allenmcburnett3610]

Greg van harn I agree! 25 years in the business and imo covering that back up with equilox would be the absolute last thing I would do!!!

[@sarahhenry4937]

How do I fix thrush on the frog?

[@goglostick]

Sarah Henry pour bleach on it. Keep the feet clean and dry.

[@dannypistilli4864]

Copper Sulate crystals and white vinegar. Safer then bleach and great results

[@MegF142857]

Make sure is diluted bleach - like 10%. NOT straight bleach from bottle! No no.

[@MegF142857]

My hoof trimmer recommended Sav-A-Hoof Spray, which is the best result that I've had of commercial product. I've done dilute bleach, dilute hydrogen peroxide, betadine, and copper sulfate products. Everyone has an answer. ;-)

[@dannypistilli4864]

I just hate the smell of bleach...its poison...when I smell it, my food for the rest of the day taste like bleach.

[@G.B.B.]

So dramatic! I bet you do a great impression of Nicholas Cage.

[@lowellmorse6723]

I'm not a horseman. Rather then shoeing, I would clean as shown and boot the poor ole boy. Must have been one hellava stud back in the day.

[@francescampbell4731]

He's not old, he said the horse was 18 years old at the start of the video. My previous horse was 32 when we had to put him down due to kidney failure and my present horse is 18 years old with plenty of life left in him. Presently in my stable there is a 31 year old gelding in great shape, so this horse is not old by any means.

[@lowellmorse6723]

@@francescampbell4731 Well, evidently your horse didn't drink. I don't believe in shoeing...so there.

[@lowellmorse6723]

Why shoe a horse?

[@lowellmorse6723]

Where's David Lions when you need him?

[@terintiaflavius3349]

Wait this isn't called thrush.

[@chipbrooke7811]

Get rid of all that excess toe- problem fixed.

[@MightyIsis]

I've never seen cracks like that that aren't caused from neglectful hoof practice and the cracks are always caused by thrush or visa versa.

[@goober3463]

Remember the end of joe dirt when he had a new wig?

[@caiomarcio5422]

Vamos cortar o cabelo?

[@erichvonglahn5314]

No. The thrush went straight into his brain.

[@cybergrey2010]

Dude doesn't your hair get in the way? It seems dangerous to me.

[@pascalhumphrey]

you need a better camera man

[@k8eekatt]

Ya I am getting motion sick :D

[@dogbite082]

Lol are you sure no motor oil?!?!? When you ride a horse. Are are in fact running on all horses😬 lol!!!

[@Melodyloveshorses1]

White line/ seedy toe? I would never ride on that baby- it doesn't have any toe! Geesh! I've had this one of my babies- were using a neat product called " Forma Hoof." Keeps it clean & dry. Won't come off in the muck, mud, water, etc.

[@Melodyloveshorses1]

I like Clean Trax, too, and copper sulfate. We've had tons of rain here. I sure hope you got the vet to sedate that poor baby. It has to hurt- getting that nail removed.

[@Melodyloveshorses1]

Oh, my gosh! I cannot believe you actually ok'ed the owner to ride that horse! Mine & vet told me no!

[@carolgrass5751]

Your hair does not look good on you. Cut it high and tight.

[@ironhead1031]

You need a haircut so i can see the video

[@MK7of7of7of7]

Feel insulted by the way you explain it so slowly and carefully like we couldn't possibly "get it".

[@nicolecourt7829]

No need to rush always for everything… speak slow understand fast 😂

[@captan363]

Bulllshit!

[@joanschwanz7970]

Thrush is not a bacterium, it’s a fungal infection. Please use accurate words.

[@shermigz]

Dean thor cause thrush is a fungus idiot 🤣

[@unapieza25]

Thrush is a yeast.

[@dr.mikejohnson571]

Thank you idiot ladies for sharing your vast knowledge about your now 20 year old babies' "thrush", and have never been around a horse in your lives - This "thrush" is predominantly anaerobic BACTERIA 😱🤯🖕🖕 It's a mixed necrotizing infection - you can look up the big words yourselves - MORONS

[@wrinkleypinkley]

I thought the same, but as far as horse's hoofs go, it is usually bacterial, but they use the term "thrush" for the anaerobic infections of the hoof.