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[@GlorifiedGremlin]

But overhead presses make the monkey brain happy. Sometimes you just gotta have fun lol

[@gavindunagan2930]

Real shit brotha

[@LongJourney93]

Agree. The only exercise i highly incurage strick form is squat bench deadlift

[@MrMonkles]

Coming up on a 100 kilo OHP and yeah it might not make for having the best looking anything that flat and inclined give your development….but let me see you OHP 100 kilo bitch lol

[@SitBeam]

I have a day for overhead press with shoulder and arm work separate from bench/chest day

[@RM-zx9do]

That’s why he said for physique purposes. For monkey purposes it’s elite

[@JauntyWhale]

Overhead press is fun, feels good and gets you strong. That's enough of a reason to have it in any program for me.

[@CBSte1n]

Yeah, as Mike said on the vid it's not good for hypertrophy but it is good for fun, shits and the giggles.

[@benwagner8993]

He's saying after doing flat and incline it's not ideal

[@itsposhtalk]

To me it doesn’t feel good, at least with dumbbells. I prefer machine press. It’s my least favorite press move and it needs a lot of stability which fatigues the entire body quicker for me.

[@jacoblas1371]

One point that he missed is, flat and incline pressing without sufficient overhead pressing can lead to a muscular imbalance, specifically shoulder mobility. You need overhead pressing to develop the shoulder musculature in the overhead position.

[@NotNJF]

​@jacoblas1371 you can tell you have no idea what you're talking about, but thank you for your opinion

[@MikeLikeTyson]

Doctor mike once said on Chris Williams' Podcast that shoulder press is for the soul. And he is 100 percent correct.

[@Finraen]

He also threw it in a very short list of “if you could only do so many lifts for the rest of your life” alongside bench press, so this utilitarian critique without a disclaimer is confusing.

[@bob123456789109720]

​@Finraen that's because from both a general health and bodybuilding standpoint the ohp is a great answer to that situation. But when you're in a less restrictive position you have to consider an exercise selection that trains front, side, and rear delts, all while managing fatigue of other muscles. Basically, compound lifts can only take you so far and it would be unwise to create a bodybuilding program consisting of only compounds

[@FreshDougan]

If your elbows aren't touching your as$hole when doing shoulder press then you're doing it wrong.

[@haydenelifrits8329]

Exactly see all these dumbasses use way to much weight and go above parallel or at parallel when they need to be trying to touch that dumbbell to their biceps works the front delt way better but makes you use way less weight which hurts the ego

[@stanxx7693]

I bet there is a huuuge stretch 😂😂

[@Ileroi]

bro you made me laugh so hard lmao

[@RobinMcBeth]

Take this win!

[@HeavyEggplant]

Literally his form is trash tho, idk why he's going easy on this white boy lol. Especially considering that those weights are adjustable

[@adamrasmussen7379]

After an intense flat and incline press, my shoulder presses are completely unmotivated anyways.

[@damedashman]

Facts lmao I gave up Felt futile, took the bald eagles advice and slammed my side delts to death instead

[@louiswestra8403]

Incline press is already a half shoulder press no?

[@a12475]

Do incline, then shoulder press, then flat.

[@ФёдорДебилко]

I switch between incline and overhead. So I kind of treat them both like upper chest and front delt exercises

[@microondasletal]

That's why I do them on back day. I follow a chest+biceps+rear delts+lateral delts - back+triceps+front delts - legs split (rest every 2 days) and that way I can train every muscle fully fresh every time. I've found I can progress better this way, plus it motivates you to push yourself more. It's harder to push it hard when you know you're not getting to the desired number of reps, so you may end up leaving even more in the tank. Not this way.

[@adammiller9179]

I'm glad most people disagree with Dr. Mike on this one. I listened to him and stopped shoulder pressing and the results were terrible. I lost so much strength and size in my front delts and also developed some shoulder issues from lack of strength and stability. Do SOME KIND of Shoulder Press!! It can be a secondary movement AFTER chest.

[@stumble_leiner]

I don't get why the video is titled so vaguely because from what I understood he's saying for physique purposes it's way overused, especially on days when you've already done flat bench or incline. I don't think he's saying there's no use for them, but then I don't know why the video is titled that

[@brucebiggy3593]

​@@stumble_leiner It's called click bait.

[@likeworks]

Yeah, i agree. Point remains that after benching, shoulder pressing might be less efficient. I find i feel way better if i do my SP on a different day to my flat / incline bench day. There is also the marginal point that, when you're wearing clothes, having big side delts makes you look a lot bigger than having big front delts. Still not at all worth building your program around.

[@relaxtoe]

He is recommending lateral raises as an example, which works front delts too as a fairly involved stabilizer in the shoulders. His point is if you’re doing compound exercises like presses, you’re exercising them as stabilizers during each exercise already, so then working them isolated when you already worked them fairly hard is overkill and hard on the connected joints. If you’re experiencing shoulder pains maybe go lighter for a bit. He gives other similar advice like not doing ab isolations, because they can be hit with other compound exercises as stabilizers, and that’s enough. I work abs isolated anyways, because they’re the core of any more compound exercises, having them built up makes everything else easier, and mine are harder to hypertrophy since they’re disproportionately stronger than my other muscles. Strong abs, strong lats mean a strong spine. With his advice it’s more general for body building, but it highly depends on your body composition, your goals. His point is fair, but it isn’t a golden rule.

[@timexcape7961]

​@@relaxtoe Abs need isolation like any other muscle for hypertrophy gains.

[@TheVikingBlues]

Man. I usually agree with what Mike has to say. But, I fucking love overhead presses. And I think they are very valuable.

[@MiguelGaray-mm7ce]

Well he just said they are not that useful for physique purposes. If you want big shoulders, the best use of your time would be to do more lateral raises and upright rows, not shoulder presses. Especially if you are already doing incline pressing. If you want to maximize shoulder strength and stability, then of course you do shoulder presses.

[@Grahamgregorythethird]

@@MiguelGaray-mm7ce overhead presses work the side delt very well despite what Mike claims and there’s data to support that

[@MiguelGaray-mm7ce]

@@GrahamgregorythethirdI’m sure they do, but I highly doubt they contract the side delts better than cable lateral raises and upright rows Let’s not forget even with decent activation the side delts is not the limiting factor in the overhead press, it is the front delts as they are the agonists of the movement

[@pOOkiNG79]

You just don’t understand English that well and it’s fine. He specifically said for physique. You subjective opinion on what works for you not the point here.

[@Grahamgregorythethird]

@ but it’s great for physique and Dr Mike is just wrong about the function of the lateral deltoid.

[@justcraziii]

Spent over 14 years in construction and over head strength was something not a lot people had. Sure it's risky in the gym, but slight incline and rotator warm ups reduces risk

[@kainoa3078]

this man is talking about useful lifts for looks, but for strength, you dont need bench, you need overhead strength. nobody benches anything in the real world, but youre always reaching overhead during work

[@colinriches1519]

Being strong in every direction does give huge benefits. For me, overhead pressing is something I can't go without if I want to be as strong as possible in every direction while building some muscle.

[@FirstnameLastname-wx9oo]

Puzzle piece car sticker logic but yes 100%

[@youlaughyouphill842]

What does strong in every direction mean?

[@colinriches1519]

@@youlaughyouphill842 For example; on push days, I push downwards (dips) next exercise might be push forwards (bench press) and then upwards (overhead press) change the order every training block and then a couple of isolation moves like butterflies and lateral raises just to top it off. Same for pull workouts. Pull downwards (pull ups) pull upwards (high pull, or upright row) and then pull towards like opposite of bench press by doing bent over rows.

[@smolbak]

​@@colinriches1519interesting, I do the same but I dont include downward pushing

[@juanpablojuarez1200]

​@@colinriches1519 and legs and abs with this method?

[@PanConides]

I disagree with this one. I stopped doing shoulder presses for 2 years, focused on upper chest and let me tell you my front delt which was a very strong point of mine became very small compared to what it was but that's not only it, more importantly not shoulder pressing gave me shoulder pain due to weakened tendons in that area. So yeah in theory what you are saying makes sense but that's not always the case.

[@Kamil_Srnka]

Some Mike's takes are questionable, like with front squats too

[@sebastianstammer9265]

He says for overall physique development I shoulder press once/twice a week with low weight to just feel it.

[@PanConides]

@@sebastianstammer9265 Yeah and i said from my own experience that my front delt was lacking compared to my chest even though at the beginning it was the other way around.

[@psychotcamericanteacher]

Yes, some exercises work differently for different people. As a former trainer, I had to find everyone's "sweet spot." But, basically, I think he means since he did other shoulder workouts like, incline pressing and flat pressings, so there is no need for shoulder pressing. I can be wrong about my assumption of what he really meant, but people know what excerises work best for them.

[@shanepettit6872]

Same here. It got small when I didn’t train it. Train it everyday now.

[@AnabolicGeek]

A lot of dudes do overhead DB press with such an overkill arch that it turns into incline chest press 😭

[@HoloDaWisewolf]

Oh shit, this might be me to some extent.

[@Fossil87]

This is why I always do standing OHP or seated DB press with no back support. Yes there's still arch, but not a full-ass 30 degrees of arch.

[@lothar654]

​@@Fossil87best way to check if you are doing incline chest instead of shoulderpress.. just see if you can push about the same weights when you are standing and ohp

[@SPOOKYPUMP45]

I love seated smith barbell shoulder press can really take it slow and get a huge stretch while still going heavy

[@sukice]

This is exactly what I do. I also save incline barbell press for chest/arms day, and start shoulders/back day with seated smith overhead press. I’ve noticed considerable growth and strength improvement in my delts through this split, as shoulders used to be a weaker area for me.

[@claybowman1242]

The program that builds the biggest ohp also happens to build a robust shoulder joint supported by a strong upper back. Unless you're a competitive bodybuilder or advanced powerlifter you should do ohp (I can make similar arguments for the front squat and movement health in the lower body)

[@Eliphas_Elric]

As an avid overhead presser I guess I should add front squats to my routine.

[@claybowman1242]

@Eliphas_Elric it actually has pretty nice carryover to the ohp too since it develops the same bracing position plus it doesn't beat you up like a back squat can.

[@DomeTerror2287]

Mike looks at everything in terms of hypertrophy. There are many reasons to overhead press your shoulders. And you should be doing it

[@CharlieBravo887]

Part 1 - yea, he makes that clear. so what? Part 2 - Wait to be vague and not bring up any legit evidence.

[@Rakyr]

All huge naturals on this platform preach the overhead press as it is the main shoulder movement you can progressively overload. If you look at guys with a bog OHP..they have huge shoulders. It's like me saying if you want a big chest, focus on flies

[@ashoc0]

Well funny thing is that flies actually grew my chest the most lol

[@olegnovitski6987]

@@ashoc0 Anything will grow your chest if you are a beginner. But intermediate and advanced natural lifters should concentrate on progressive overload in big compound lifts.

[@ashoc0]

@@olegnovitski6987 not really true. compounds can give you a good baseline physique. Certain exercises that target one muscle group gives the best stimulus for hypertrophy due to the fact other muscles can fatigue first in compounds. compounds are still needed tho since they can easily overload muscles.

[@pondai_monai_ilalai]

Thank you Dr. Mike! Everyday is learning better knowledge with you❤

[@ryann8348]

I'm prone to depressed scapulae, so anything that gives extra volume for scap elevation/upward rotation is a plus. Yes, I suppose i could do more super-ROM laterals, more shrugs, or upright rows instead, but it's one way to fill that need

[@mahsheenman]

Gotta move those scaps. 💯

[@816scales]

For physique purposes i agree but worth it if strength is your goal

[@ChefBojack]

Thanks doctor Mike, I will stop dumbell over head pressing now

[@user1acount]

Shoulder presses has kept my shoulders free of injury and free from pain from past injuries. Definitely want to be fresh for the movement though

[@SeraphimFaith]

I can't really agree with this approach because the shoulder press smokes my shoulders the most. And that I get more general strength for lifting things overhead. Even if it's not good for building more muscle there's definitely strength increase

[@kalterverwalter4516]

Dont worry it's still great for building muscle as long as your progressive overload.

[@psychotcamericanteacher]

Yes, different exercises works differently for people. People know their "sweet spot." In excersing and works is not one size fits all.

[@Redcouriercat]

He didn't say don't do them he said they aren't necessary on chest days.

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

He's more so saying people over use them often when they've already half killed that area anyway. Not to just not do them. But maybe do them more controlled and less often, or atleast don't just work the same muscle once you're done with them

[@rico14]

Honestly I feel like the bench press is the most overrated press tbh. My main 2 presses are military, and incline since incline already hits the whole chest(there’s emg studies on this, plus bench press has never felt natural for me). What’s the value of the bench.

[@Paocedeno16]

I’ve learned so much from Dr Mike. And it works 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@ReneVanDerMerwe-c2c]

Always right Dr. Mike💯

[@docd2295]

If your shoulders don’t hurt doing them, very wide “behind the neck” DB presses with moderate load are one of the best ways to overload the lateral deltoids.

[@NorthernIrelandConflictVideos]

Smart do a shoulder workout via - dips, deadlifting, incline chest which hits the front delts also, saves plenty of time and energy and the gains are great

[@mdwv872]

There is such a thing as “effective range of motion.” More isn’t always better.

[@joeysung311]

yeah but when you’re doing normal db presses you’re nowhere near that effective range of motion lol

[@mdwv872]

@ to me effective range of motion doesn’t mean the deepest possible stretch because then that limits other variables responsible for building muscle mass, such as total weight being used.

[@Eliphas_Elric]

Overhead press is a way more functional form a strength than chest pressing tho. I flat bench and overhead press and it covers all the bases I need. Plus doing barbell overhead press while standing works your whole damn body somewhat and makes me feel like an old timey strong man.

[@erikhorne846]

I’ve come to like the incline lateral raise on my side for the constant tension especially in the stretched position, really good burn with a slow eccentric and pause at the bottom of the movement.

[@kunaalagarwal1924]

This is an example why Arnold split is useful. Rather than proceeding to do any shoulder press following chest exercises, you get a fresh session to do shoulder press in relatively unfatigued.

[@branboom3342]

I do full ROM lateral raises to failure, then straight into overhead shoulder presses to get them extra reps. Works like a drop set with minimal downtime

[@joelrodriguez5505]

Thanks Greg

[@McNamEvan]

I traded out OH pressing for incline to address lagging chest. As a result my chest development has benefited and I've suffered no loss of front delt size or OH press strength.

[@AlreadyhadJuice]

I got injured overdoing shoulder presses everyday great workout for sure but there definitely is other ones that give you a pump in your shoulders that are 100% safer

[@Fro.113]

Love the shirt !!

[@TheKencyr1]

I definitely get side delts pumped really well from overhead dumbell press. I think I just angle them in a way that hits them well. Not sure but I like it

[@SoftwareMobileTips]

That's the most serious Dr.Mike i've ever seen😂

[@steverabbits]

Spot on 👍

[@kimdavis1091]

Love my shoulders … great tips doc 👍🇨🇦

[@EhurtAfy]

As a construction worker, I learned very quickly overhead work sucks for the shoulders. I forgot this lesson recently when I didn't bring my ladder, my shoulder joints were inflamed for days. I was scraping ceiling texture at about a 45 degree angle. Better to work no higher than a low angle imo

[@Vengeance6905]

I only train the front delts at the end of my push workout.. generally machine shoulder press , most of the time you should invest your time into side delt.

[@StMargorach]

I do the same! But I do palm up cable front raises (gives a really good stretch at the bottom of the excersize, with the arm behind the back and the cable coming from about hip hight) And I do shoulder presses on leg days, after the first heavy leg excersize, to give myself some extra time to catch my breath 😅 And if my side delts feel good, I'll do those as well, as an extra, in between leg excersizes

[@Vengeance6905]

@@StMargorach cable front raises is also a good option as well and I also sometimes trains my front delts on leg day .. especially my side delts because they recover very quick.. i remember dr mike said if your side delts recover and you're not feeling sore.. then train them. I love side delt training ngl

[@StMargorach]

Yup it's also why I do extra calf raises on push days 😅 ​@@Vengeance6905

[@adammiller9179]

But you are still doing them!! Mike is saying to stop. Obviously they are smaller and probably don't need to be a main movement, but they can't be neglected IME.

[@FrankDangerfield-g1r]

this is a matter of personal preference seated shoulder press is a great exercise also bringing the dumbells deep and wide i think causes problems especially in older lifters each to their own i enjoy shoulder press especially after my light bench session.

[@lagilagifairuz6194]

Speaking like a true genius. Love you Dr. Mike.

[@jeffreynotjeff1282]

I don’t do any front delt work specifically, I train my lateral delts & rear delts.

[@kia-soul9191]

I recommend doing seated lateral raises supersetted with seated shoulder press. That’s gonna blow up your shoulders

[@BigOlSpiderMonkey]

I second this^

[@fmxy]

overhead presses give a different kind of pump that you wouldn’t get from flat or low angle incline press

[@mbeacom21]

I like overhead press, but a lot of the value comes from doing them standing, as opposed to seated.

[@Golden_AceDBD]

I have to agree, and many others agree that to have shoulders to pop out and if you already train chest flat and inclined, there's no real use of shoulder press. If you still want to target the front delts do some isolation with cable or dumbells or maybe once a week a barbell shoulder press because its epic and gives more total growth.

[@brickedtfupfitness]

Side delts got great leverage to produce force in a shoulder press..

[@longhenaa]

I think if youre a tennis player the overhead press has great utility, for serving

[@doupnetwork]

I don't like to use a back rest when shoulder pressing. It almost turns the shoulder press into a high incline chest press

[@Mogzrl]

totally agree. I feel like shoulder presses feel good to do but really dont have a huge amount of benefit otherwise. Man Like Push Heavy Thing Over Head. Feel Good.. Why Do? No Care! Do More!

[@Duci1989]

Shoulder press is a very functional movement for real life, so I prefer it over those raises even if looks wise they are better.

[@alexdrake8079]

Good job PewDiePie, hit them weights brother 💪

[@mr.c6674]

People love these short videos because of their lack of attention, and they're in such a hurry. The problem is there is far more to many subjects that longer videos provide. Meaningful and useful context of this can't be expressed in such a short time.

[@iseehowitis9382]

Standing overhead press just makes me feel like a beast of a man

[@thunderjeep08]

I agree with the first half but I do shoulder press on a different day so I can get max benefit from it.

[@lukeduan6291]

You only need one: lateral raise or shoulder press Or just make it a shoulder focus day altogether

[@elli2655]

With the barbell military press, I muscle clean it and I press every repetition and restart on the clavicle, no leg drive just strict, the way it's supposed to be done.

[@gsav1320]

Most fun lift imo I use em j for upper body strength

[@Jack-d4k]

I agree with you i consider my upper chest pushes to be my shoulder presses too

[@22RoadKing647]

Having to open the elbow means that it also activates the triceps. I like to isolate my triceps and I do mid delts afterwards, so for me, lateral raises, which don't involve the triceps, and better for me.

[@Nargalliv47]

I've got good results for my side delts doing over head press

[@johnsmith-yv7rp]

I feel I need some form of overhead press purely from a balanced joint angles point of view. Anecdotal but I’ve had shoulder issues in the past and if I stop OHP my shoulders feel clicky

[@muffy_bunz]

Too many people in Mike's comment section struggle with comprehension. He didn't say never, ever do shoulder presses.

[@MiguelGaray-mm7ce]

So many got defensive and said they had to disagree, and their only reason given is for strength/health. To which he never said anything against doing OHP for those purposes.

[@dominikepicki1595]

The ohp is a great exercise to develop both the front and the side delts flat and incline presses won't be enough for most people. PED users like dr Mike get huge shoulders from doing anything so I wouldn't take this advice too seriously

[@stephenY96]

I noticed my overall strength increase loads when i was doing standing heavy barbell OHP regularly

[@stevew6974]

Been training over 30 years. It took me until this year to realize what you mentioned in this video. Excellent advice BTW.. I no longer do any overhead pressing for shoulders (ex. Dumbbell presses) I pretty much only do side and rear delt exercises for shoulders (increase the sets since I no longer do over head presses) I really noticed a lot more rounded and wider delts with this change. Again great advice . I highly recommend people giving it a try.

[@davidfischer1971]

shoulders are the only muscles attached to some exercises i can't really do. especially shoulder presses with bar- or dumbbells make the back of my neck really stiff and gives me a lot of headaches. when i press i just tighten up every part of my neck, feeling like i need a chiropractor visit after each workout. and believe me, i do not use too much weight. just can't isolate my shoulders in that movement. lateral raises are okay but suffer the same stiffness in neck when i do them. the best one for me are barbell front raises. enables me to almost completely relax my neck while lifting. i bet my technique is the reason for my headaches, but pretty much everybody seems to tighten the back of their neck when doing shoulder workouts. i can't be the only one.

[@HoloDaWisewolf]

Things got better for me when I started using a tempur pillow. I also have to relax my neck multiple times when I do lateral raises

[@bradclark1802]

Ive been watching since i started my fitness journey. Just watched the debage between you and greg the douce. The comments under it are insane. You won hands down. You and jeff nippard are the goats. Thanks dr mike

[@Vengeance6905]

Dr Mike and Jeff nipples keeping you big as hell. No cap 🧢

[@bradclark1802]

@Vengeance6905 I'm not big yet 🤣 thanks for the vote of confidence though. I wont let you down. 💪💪

[@Vengeance6905]

@@bradclark1802 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@daboerne]

Honestly I think that shoulders are 90% genetics. I have very strong shoulders, and lots of people in the gym ask me what I did to build these shoulders. But honestly I only did 2-3 Sets should press at the end of a push workout every once in a while and 2-3 Sets Lateral Raises. For the rear delts I mainly did Face Pulls. That`s all. I'm also very strong at shoulder exercises even though I have never prioritized them at all in almost 10 years that I have been training. Even though my chest is pretty good, I am stronger at Incline Bench than Flat Bench because of my shoulders. I even stopped training shoulders for a while and focused on decline movements like Decline Bench Presses and Dips to take the shoulders out as much as possible because they started to become too big in relation to the other muscles.

[@HM-wn2in]

I just do shoulders session after chest. Usually the next day or whenever my next training day is

[@shalizzle793]

I think seated overhead press is redundant but I find my shoulders are WAY healthier if I do high rep, slow and controlled standing barbell overhead press

[@Eliphas_Elric]

Standing barbell ohp gang

[@BigTony82-j6d]

I love standing military press. I couldn’t imagine not doing it.

[@ryanforesta1803]

Slow and controlled Incline smith machine press always ALWAYS fries my front delts and upper chest. I pretty much stopped doing shoulder press

[@TruthsSake]

If you’re focusing mostly on hypertrophy but still want to preserve some relative strength, maintain a shoulder press exercise into your weekly routine on one day is probably good to preserve a stronger upper body.

[@almadeunrebel]

it feels like the strength gains from that exercise are why we do it, no one is overhead pressing what they bench…and if you are i 🙇‍♂️

[@e5xq0]

It doesn't matter how cooked the triceps are, it won't hinder your dumbbell shoulder press (or chest press for that matter) because the triceps aren't used to lift the weight in those exercises (it would matter if using a barbell instead of dumbbells, however).

[@Iloveeegod]

I understand what he’s saying, that hypertrophy wise it’s not going to add significant size on if you’re already doing flat and incline bench. I like to throw in strength training exercises like sp with hypertrophy exercises just for me personally because I don’t want to just be puffy but strong too. Squats aren’t a hypertrophy lift either but strength, but it’s the reason I can lift people easily.

[@NightCM718]

Is there a study about the benefits of the slow and controlled eccentric? In terms of direct correlation to muscle growth.

[@2upinvesting]

Based on the comments, too many people have comprehension issues and the desire to prove how smart they are despite not having the results to prove it. Listen to understand and not to respond.

[@egoascendere8940]

I have 3 planned sessions per week with no ohp, if i get bonus training then i add heavy oh pressing on these days just because i like it. Makes me motivated to do some extra.

[@kylebutler1101]

Most big dudes in the gym would benefit from doing more lateral raises and rear delts in place of SP.

[@zxcvasdfqwer12345]

I like to develop the strength of overhead press. I don't know if it would be useful, but you wont lifts heavy overhead without lifting heavy overhead.

[@aaronquinn8241]

Dumbbell shoulder press & OHP light my side delts up after a few sets of lateral raises, really. A few concentrated sets of laterals & DB press absolutely torch my side delts & I have seen growth in my delts from mixing these movements.

[@GoodEveningDota]

I got a bad tendinitis 6 years ago doing overhead press, still having some pain till today Never doing it again

[@cuevasjesse]

When i do shoulder presses i always go straight down to my upper chest.

[@akaibs]

That’s why I do the Arnold split most times. Because whenever I’m done with bench pressing and machine press. I feel like i can’t go as heavy on overhead or shoulder press.

[@MrSometaco]

Overhead pressing is not over rated or over used people only say this nonsense because of body building trying to get that “aesthetic” proportion look. Most people’s front delts will not over develop to the point of looking out of place or “overpowering”. And even if they do who cares… most people are not stepping on strange and want their front and side and read delt all to pop and not have one be two big and blablablablabla. Overhead pressing is fun it hits your delt differently than chest presses do and will give you that imposing look when they are developed.

[@Joserizzzal]

I’ve stopped pressing like that but have been doing side lat raises and rear isos but the beef look is somewhat gone. It’s a transition back to heavy shoulder presses and see how it looks after a while I’ll keep yal updated

[@nicholasuck2148]

I’m more focused on strength so would it be good for me?

[@Simon-og5vy]

yes

[@nicholasuck2148]

@ im just gonna take your word for it because it’s one of my favorite exercises

[@DobermanVI]

Lateral raises give you better shoulders than ohp? You got to be kidding. I do agree that side and rear delts should be targeted separately. Fronts get hit plenty, especially if you do dips. But ohp is the king. I have tried excluding it in the past and always ended up with worse results.

[@nationalgeneric]

I have to agree, I got heavier and heavier on the lift with no real growth, no carryover to other lifts

[@Seabass_Mcmuffin]

Yeah this is why i never train biceps and triceps. Theyre already hit during lat pull-down and bench press. On a side note my arms look terrible, must be genetics right?

[@MiguelGaray-mm7ce]

I’m pretty sure your front delts do more work during presses than your triceps do. So it makes sense to actually spend time working the triceps directly. I’ve also never heard of someone having underdeveloped front delts in comparison to their side delts. You can’t have small front delts doing all the exercises that work out the side delts, on top of all your pressing work.

[@ghostassassin2482]

I hear people say this "Don't shoulder press" or "front delts don't need extra exercise besides bench" however I found from ignoring such from time to time is that my front delts have had small growth but my side and rear delts have exploded (also I struggle to military press 40kg without my back doing a crazy arch). So for me, I'll stick to doing dumbbell press, shoulder press and any other front delt training

[@FrancisKiki]

You just have to do it after lateral raises.

[@chrisolson3240]

People keep arching their backs incorporating their chest

[@diablorojosincero4040]

Shoulder pressing is fun tho

[@stuartrangihuna8206]

In my experience, the barbell Overhead Press is the best exercise to put muscle mass on the shoulders and develops overall strength.

[@yigyountry]

today i learned i’ve been doing it wrong my entire life but there’s always tomorrow

[@PhsychoSomatic]

Its simple, if your fronts overengage when doing chest, simply skip them all together. I never do ohp and my fronts are overdeveloped. If they dont overengage, do them separately