Don't Waste your money on Motorcycle Suspension

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[@stephenblackstock1923]

The best way I have found to center the front wheel was instead of shaking it I like to spin the front wheel and hit the front brake when it’s on the stand before I tighten the bolts on the forks but after I tighten the axle nut

[@JohnDough1776]

I thought I was going to learn about suspension lol

[@josephiodice5934]

Well..... If you didn't LEARN anything about THIS VITAL lesson of SUSPENTION, you need a good look at yourself.

[@jcobra09]

If you didn’t learn anything that’s good. It means you knew this already. Plenty of people don’t know this stuff. Even as easy as this. Peace

[@Espenrip]

Obviously YOU are NOT PAYING ATTENTION. And you ride???

[@IosuamacaMhadaidh]

He's saying to do this before wasting money on solutions that do not solve the problem. Or, good preventive maintenance to avoid the issue.

[@BeardedFordTech]

agree don't use a hammer. but don't tighten it. install your brake caliper leave finer tight. push down on the front end to "line" everything back up and torque to spec.

[@trevorjameson3213]

Excellent advice, thanks for making a video about this.

[@cdmc012599]

Great video, I was shocked at how many didn't know this. There is one thing I seen you do differently then I. It's always been known to me a setting the axle. How you wiggle it into place, we pull the bike off the stand and roll the bike forward and lock up the front brake. This makes the wheel run true. Do the same thing as you do, but before the "wiggle" tighten up your pinch bolts (just finger tight and the axle can barely move). Then hit the front brake "on the ground with forward momentum ". First time I've seen this little trick done before on KZbin. Thanks for posting

[@Sketch1994]

That's some great information. My project bike doesn't have this arrangement so my best shot is to measure everything precisely and machine it even better!

[@mxer4life25]

i'll keep this in mind next time I work on my bike. I've always used metal hammers to take the axle out of the front and rear wheels for years. Never knew it made a problem like this. It's not huge but it's enough to cause a little extra wear and tear.

[@dave41659]

Good tip , and I agree people in shop are not perfect! Thank you!

[@NessedUpProductions]

Agree with ya on using a rubber mallet, one of my most used tools! The title is a little off though as I think a properly set up suspension, by an expert, is one of the best mods people can have done to their bikes. However, if ya don't know how to disassemble the front end, it probably won't make much of a difference, lol!

[@vegasromaniac]

+NessedUpProductions you might want to or not watch one of my next videos about the actual suspension work on the dirt bike if it's worth the money really haha.. Still working on it. I wanna make sure I don't make to may people angry.. With it the the message gets across the right way..

[@luckysehgal4534]

NessedUpProductions

[@HomeForGamersFTW]

Expert =/= Professional Professionals are only people who get paid doing a certain task, even if they've only done it for 10 minutes

[@thealvaco]

Very good tip, man, thanks! I've noticed my front suspension being somewhat 'bindy', ever since the motorcycle shop took it apart. I will check the forks tomorrow! However, your title is a bit misleading. I do understand what you are trying to say. Better to have basic suspension set up right, than a crooked öhlins. Adam Riemann said to look out for overly tight bolts on the triple trees, for the same reason. Ride on man!

[@vegasromaniac]

+thealvaco haha, well the title is a little misleading but this k about it, if I would have named it how to install your front wheels properly obody would have Google that, and you would have never had the chance to check your wheels. Also if you think deep down is a waste of money on suspension if your front wheel is not installed properly

[@bikersoncall]

Cool. Lol, now I know why the manual said to grease the axle before install, I thought they meant it would just make the install easier (ha ha) , it didn't dawn on me that it needs to be able to move freely in the yoke so as not to bind up the entire set-up.

[@vistkri]

This helped me soo mutch!! Thank u👍🏽

[@tekoporukid]

very good down to earth vid thanks, always good to learn a new tip for fork alignment

[@Hawksmarch81]

Great advice and vid. Just with the sand paper it is best used while lubricated with water or WD. You get a better finish with less effort.

[@TheNobbynoonar]

Good advice. Thank you.

[@vegasromaniac]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jcobra09]

Thanks for the tip(s) bro!

[@scottchizer1634]

Excellent video and advice, thanks

[@AntiStressKit]

I am going through older videos that you posted and I am very happy that I do. Excellent video and advice

[@vegasromaniac]

Awesome.....

[@stevenkelley9559]

Hey! I used your video to replace my seals. When I reassembled my forks, the suspensions was awful. Very stiff, dangerously so. So I disassembled everything and retorqued but I know my axle was not that free. I will try this tomorrow! Hope it solves and thank you!!

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

I needed to know this. Thank you for getting my attention with a great title and thumbnail.

[@robertw413]

Nice vid man and a good point... you mostly do the same as what I do except at the end I undo the the first pinch bolts you tightened, bounce the forks with no brake, then retighten the pinch bolts. You are also correct that torque wrenches shouldn't be used on some things but I do like using them on wheel nuts.

[@boost219]

What I like to do to straighten my forks is to tighten the clamping bolts down just until you feel a little resistance, then spin the front wheel and hit the front brake, then carefully without twisting the forks tighten and torque the clamps. The force of the front wheel stopping abruptly straightens them out perfectly.

[@bikersoncall]

Do you need to keep the front brake on as you tighten the bolts? I guess if the rotor is still 'trued' this is also a great way to alleviate any pad to rotor misalignment.

[@Steveman61]

@@bikersoncall No, release the breaks! Then tighten th epoch bolts.

[@bikersoncall]

@@Steveman61 Thanks Steve..

[@locci2]

We all have our different way of doing things. Here is my way with experience as a road and race bike mechanic. Mount the wheel with out calipers. Tighten the pinch bolts on the opposite site of your nut or bolt. Tighten your nut or bolt to spec. Release pinch bolts again. Compress the fork "give it a good couple of pushes on the bars to compress it" to align the axle in the fork. Tighten the pinch bolts to spec. Mount the calipers and tighten to spec. Pump up the brakes and you're ready to go. Why i prefer to release the pinch bolts and then center the axle is because you then have all the preload on the bearings, spacer and internal spacer in your wheel and a low risk of the axle being misaligned in the fork mount. And installing the caliper at the end makes the pads mount up the the position of the disc and not the disc and wheel to the position of the pads.

[@camsamesh]

Great explanation. Even rear wheel alignment contributes a proper rolling and suspension action. Many dont understand these basics and as they are mostly educated by the experts or amateur experts who generally have their own concepts. Your vdo should be helpful

[@sultanmehmoodghaznavi6312]

wow! point to be noted! very informative bro. thanx!

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@capriwoo]

good advise

[@iangrimshaw1]

Mostly very good advice. Don't know where you ride but in soggy England I'd use a bit of copper grease on the axle and threads.

[@anniewhite6459]

Helps if you spin the wheel and slam the brake on, that helps the axle and wheel settle in the right spot before you tighten the pinch bolts.

[@jackrollason2542]

Great video mate

[@wayd19]

I'm not a tech by any means so this is a great help. thanks

[@billcotton1551]

You are so right. Just because you paid a dealership doesn't mean it is done right.

[@azdesertdog]

If you leave the pinch bolts just a little loose (like a half turn or so from completely tight) and CAREFULLY roll around and lightly tap the front brake it will help align the front end. Then tighten the pinch bolts the rest of the way.

[@DonPedro6901]

Cool advice!

[@vornice7604]

lol i rode for like an hour with loose pinch bolts, remembered them just before bed that night went to see and they were still there lol.

[@Mitchell.LeBeau]

Vornice 😂

[@schraubenschussel]

People get offended very fast These days. Just because of a Little clickbait. The given Information in the actual Video helped me to learn something new about how to treat my bike, so it was worth every Minute of it. I am goin to adjust this on my bike in the next few days. Thank you very much!

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@pkuudsk9927]

You might have saved 4000 bikers from doing it wrong ,good video.

[@shannonanderson7179]

really enjoyed the viedo. super helpful

[@roy254ify]

nice tutorial and advice

[@MrAntonis0]

Hi, first nut by hand, then bolts, then nut with tool (light), with other side loose shake front, brake or press. Then other side bolts...

[@DrDanMD]

Awesome tip thanks!

[@vegasromaniac]

Thanks for watching

[@markeldridge2385]

You should grease the end you sanded , most grease the axel shaft , it's called a floating fork and compressing the front and a few times helps to set the floating fork in position, before tightening everything down. 👍

[@ssskev]

Unbelievable, what an expert, allen key and a torque wrench for the axle, then torque the pinch locks bolts up, my cruiser the axle is torqued to 65 nm and the pinch bolts at 27nm, if you just tighten by hand, you will have loose wheels and or strip over time bolts, what an expert. and to be sure always put a dab of lock tight on bolts

[@RangerFu]

amazing advice

[@bepacman]

Checked and well noted!!!!!!

[@garyspencer08]

Went to look at the description and just saw a shit ton of links. Very helpful Yeah, still doesn't explain why you don't need to "waste money on good suspension". Correctly setup suspension is a very good upgrade and will greatly improve traction and feel of the bike.

[@Zerunox339]

I usually leave the pinch bolts on the sliding side of the axle loose and just bounce the front suspension a few times then snug the bolts and torque em. never had an issue

[@Blanchy10]

That's what the manual says to do. Follow it and all good.

[@PistonSlap]

Lol nice framing hammer! I try to follow the manufacturer recommend install. I agree with the rubber mallet but you should not need that if the axel/ rod slides threw the lower fork. I also like to torque every thing I touch. that's just me. good video.

[@FidlyBass]

Good stuff mannnnn

[@denisrailey777]

Few people too rough. Great vid.

[@EekiFighter]

Great video, I haven't thought this before this deeply..

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@yessure5291]

Use a tiny bit of blue locltite on the axle nut and tighten with a torque wrench to spec.

[@pekkaperttupolkky8347]

Kiitos paljon hyvistä neuvoista.

[@Sertao2013]

That's a good tip

[@TIMEtoRIDE900]

FJR Yamahas often have the axle bolt finger tight, and the steering collar not torqued correctly (head-set bearings loose). Good point on that style of hammer - should never touch a motorcycle !! My local shop went up in price . . . $90.00 to change a front tire, mount & balance, valve stem& shop towels - that's with me bringing in the tire. I do it myself now.

[@Ryzen_56X]

I always apply a thin coat of lithium grease to the rods when replacing my tyres.

[@22raddad]

Stingercam21 Finally someone knows what they're doing! 😎

[@tezzanewton]

Maybe use a torque wrench too mate.

[@alex-thangnguyen2746]

You are correct. The front axle has spaces and if you pound it in due to rust or age, it will damage the fitting. I noticed this when I purchased a 20 year old bike. Luckily, I went on eBay and found a spare part. Sanding or removing all the oxidation helps but I noticed the most important facet is to keep the rust off and lube it often. If you cannot keep the rust off, make sure the lubing part is regular. Once it is damaged, the front disc brakes will begin to wobble or become damaged under heavy braking. However, rebuilding the shocks have minimal effect on the real problem. IT IS A SHAME HOW PEOPLE ABUSE SUCH GOOD MACHINES.

[@unleavenedkaraiteplus3412]

Good point not to damage your axle shaft, but everything else about pulling the fork out of alignment is mute. The bearing spacers won't allow the fork to pull in further than spacers allow. Now, if you loose a bearing spacer or put the wrong one, then it will either pull, or expand, the fork out of alignment; depending on the lack, or the extra thickness.

[@matt3122]

I hear a spring knocking sound when I hold the brake and compress the forks. I have another bike of the same model it never made this sound. I replaces the seals and oil. The internals looked mint. The only think "unusual" was one spring was 1/16" shorter than the other. They are Yamaha WR250Rs. Can you give me any advice about what's wrong and what to do to fix it?

[@stevestumbaugh8982]

Thanks

[@kingofthetrack]

honda cr125r and crf450r forks have a different set up when installing the wheel and axle

[@executor46]

duly noted thaNKs man

[@prasadmalaki6101]

I have Honda Dio 2017 to 18 model front and back shocker gets out of it and how to modify Honda livo bike

[@shwackthenoobsac]

My KTM manual agrees with you. Tighten axle nut first then activate font brake and push down on suspension several times to align front fork, then tighten pinch bolts. My mountain bike fork asks me to tighten the axle, then the left pinch bolts, then press down on suspension several times, then tighten the right pinch bolts. Best to read manual. I always thought tightening the pinch bolts first was the best way to keep from pinching forks. I was wrong.

[@raghavendragowda3427]

nice and a pretty decent video bro thank u for such a good video loved it

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@clevelandmortician3887]

i like it. fork seals are a pain in the ass to do pop

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@TrevorJonesBurg]

I'll stick to the way I do it. Text book style! Read the manual. Follow the directions. I've worked on Yamaha dirt bikes for 25 years

[@marknasia5293]

Trevor Jones exactly, i won’t own a bike if i can’t get the original service manual, or at a minimum a Haynes or Chiltons

[@kevinbroadway5398]

can you put a new top end in my yz450

[@findvoltage]

Dont mean your any good at ot if your ego takes over which is what happens all the time with fuckwits

[@seventytwo4728]

25yrs? And you drive a vw jetta? Get outta here bruh

[@TechieTard]

Excellent vid!

[@vegasromaniac]

Thanks

[@atomiclizzard288]

the nut on your through axle should have 2 torque specifications, the first one should be around 20ftlb. use a torque wrench, then tighten the pinch bolts on your fork then finish tightening the nut to the second torque specification usually around 65ftlb.

[@michaelwood5519]

Is there any need to put grease on the front axle?

[@casubramanyam]

I've bought Aprilia sr150 motorard in India and it has stiff suspension. while my ride is for highways primarily, there are few patches in city and highways which may be troublesome with stiff suspension. so is stiff suspension in a way good or bad? how do I get it sightly tuned to handle bumps smoothly and yet be good for high-speed stability. please clarify

[@spencer1244]

Well lol, funny you say "don't waste your money on suspension" the previous owner of my bike had it taken to a suspension shop to have it setup for a AA rider, nice for him bad for me, I took it to its first event and it was fun but it felt like it was trying to eject my spine... So now I have to go back to GTR suspension and spend more money to have them play with the PDS rear and the dreaded 4cs forks

[@marybrothers7718]

factory specifies don't tighting it in. always check torque wrench.

[@rikacoetzer8135]

Nice vid!!

[@bullyboy585]

What are the plastics called on the fork

[@DanielWilliams-oc5gw]

Hey mate. Do you bother greasing the axle??

[@Snurre86]

You should bounce the forks and brake test before tightening the clamping bolts on the right side of the bike.

[@LaJiahao]

YOU ARE GENIUS

[@anaphylastiks]

Legend!

[@arieln8203]

now i see, i think it's the reason why my oil seals are wearing and leaking. thanks

[@fusiontechniques5971]

Very good

[@jenpsakiscousin4589]

I'm going to have to do a video on how to tune suspension. You can do a lot with springs or spacers and playing with valving shims.

[@AgeofReason]

You never did, right?

[@bikersoncall]

2:18 This is the part I had to go back through to figure out the problem he/you were having, perfectly clear now. I also like the humor about; ''being worked on by a 16 year old'', haha, yeah, I remember my mentality at 16, nothing wrong with being a kid, but at that age your brain is definitely not fully developed. lol.

[@gromkiller7611]

I have never seen anyone using a waffle hammer for that but a regular hammer yes I have good advice

[@dfpguitar]

I learnt something very useful that I was not expecting.

[@vegasromaniac]

Awesome

[@TheIJoystick]

you learn something new everyday

[@appcarpenter1]

well shit... now I gotta go out and redo mine.

[@420Jspec]

you should never ever ever ever have to hammer in an axle. a little grease goes along way on the axle. and if you feel you need to hammer it through something is wrong and miss aligned!

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

Just be sure the disc pad, rotor are aligned and centered. Then lock it all down. The forks should center on the shaft bolt at that point... Be sure to grease the shaft with bearing grease that is water proof. We used Bel-Ray bearing grease to make sure the shaft does not seize in the hub...If it does seize. Then find the right size bolt head to fit the allen head end, double nut it. Then turn back and forth till it comes unstuck...

[@jaylittleton1]

Good basic instruction video. I think it will help many riders who are new to doing their own work. May I share this with some groups I follow?

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@jaylittleton1]

At first I thought the caption was wrong, but as you went along to talk about the forks binding from misalignment, I understood it to mean "...Suspension repair if this simple adjustment fixes it." For more than 50 years I have seen this happen when riders were not aware of the importance of alignment. "Just slam it in and tighten it until it cries." lol

[@vegasromaniac]

sorry that i had to make this video a bit of a click bite , but it has important info and had to make the people somehow click on it! a lot of people appreciated the info, and thank you for being reasonable and not calling me a Dumb Ass like most of the email i got because of this video !

[@SquidWithGear]

3:03 Thats what she says to me every night

[@durin23]

lol

[@krmiller202]

"It should come out on the other side"

[@azrydr1723]

Great vid. I learned a lot, and I'm a seasoned rider. Title misled me, but the content was excellent.

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@eyalcr500]

man,you're so right !!! about the wheel positiong AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE 16 YEAR OLD BRATT IN THE GARRAGE THAT DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR BIKE and does the job :)))))) and it's like that everywhere ....

[@tezzanewton]

All good advice but. 👍

[@dannymagee8202]

I’ve heard of mechanics getting fired for using the wrong hammer. That’s a copper-hide jobby, or a rubber mallet. Ideally you won’t use a hammer on a wheel axle at all though. Properly cleaned and greased it should slide through with just a wiggle.

[@vegasromaniac]

true

[@Desertduleler_88]

This is the reason l do my own servicing…..

[@bobperez5158]

Wr250 front suspension install to yz250 08 4 stroke main frame is it possible?

[@vegasromaniac]

I can't tell, the triple clamp might be the same , but there is only one way to find out for sure , trying it

[@bigreedy6705]

what about wheels spacers if u got right ones your forks won't bend in

[@dirtrider88]

the right fork leg always floats on the axle.

[@powskier]

There's a fork alignment tool you can get.

[@frazjaved8329]

my bike shock mostly out off order what i do.

[@kobayashimaru8114]

Good advice about not hammering the axle but the title is click baity

[@markman63]

Kobayashi Maru Click bait = down vote

[@vegasromaniac]

thanks for watching, sorry the video was a bit of a click bait but i wanted to get my message across, and it seems that it worked. I do get my share of hate mail because of it but this is youtube , and we are free to say whatever we want !

[@agentearl8305]

Kobayashi Maru &popp

[@kobayashimaru8114]

+Vegas RoManiac And we are free to dislike you for it

[@drumstyx]

In truth, it should be "don't waste your money on any motorcycle maintenance"...as in, don't bother paying a random dealership to do your work. As much as my local dealership has helped me out with valve shim swapping and some shop supplies, the expertise is *very* lacking among most people I talk to. Only the old school guys (read: old guys) know anything detailed about maintenance. The new guys just don't know how to fix anything, only replace, and even then (as this video demonstrates) sometimes they can't even do that right. The sort of expertise you get from a small engine mechanic has just gone by the wayside -- my goodness, the empty look on their faces when I asked for Plastigage...

[@HORNET6]

You are incorrect in tightening the right axle clamp and then tightening the axle bolt on the left. You should use an axle key in the right hand end of the axle. Torque the axle. Align the forks by pushing down a couple of times on the steering stem nut. Then torque the axle clamps.

[@faustin289]

Another thing I hate about rookie mechanics is the use of wrong-sized spanners. Now all my bolts are ruined! So sad indeed.

[@vegasromaniac]

true