Dealerships Are Out of Control

[@lucasfreiberg]

If dealerships are legally allowed to do this (...fine, its a free market!), direct from manufacturer purchases should also be made legal.

[@nyfinest017]

Tesla got flak for doing that. Some a-hole is going to lobby for that to never happen.

[@Hyrbralston]

@@nyfinest017 is there a video asking about this I want to know more

[@nyfinest017]

@@Hyrbralston kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKDUlZ95otNnnpI this is video talking about Texas trying to ban Tesla from selling direct

[@nyfinest017]

@mcchickenz I agreed that dealership could mark it up a fraction but not charge someone a used vehicle for double the price of a new one. That's the stuff that American Greed needs to report.

[@jsn1252]

Allowed? MSRP stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price, and are made under the assumption that supply chains aren't fubar. Manufacturer sales would only result in manufacturers marking up prices or there being no supply. The latter results in people reselling at even more inflated prices, or as the economically illiterate call it, scalping.

[@BrodyAnimates]

This is the most hilarious and depressing video of all time

[@loomyair]

People like money

[@mangotail6808]

I know right. There,s corona so wear a mask, estate prices go up, car prices go up, locally because of electricity per hour price going up theres also food electricity and food prices. One thing that doesnt go up is our salary. I wanna laugh and also cry XD

[@langhamp8912]

@@mangotail6808 When you base your society around driving absurd distances to get to and from your home in the suburbs while pursuing a policy heavily dependant on getting gas into your car, then don't be surprised when living expenses skyrocket. It doesn't cost much to stick solar panels on your rooftop, make public transportation and bicycling safe for commuters, and rezone the suburbs so you can walk to your local grocery store instead of driving everywhere. I say let car prices go way up. Let the market decide.

[@tatacraft791]

yes.

[@danilogonzalezmx]

I lost my faith in human being

[@matpatte]

We need to make a website that lists every dealer that charges over MSRP. Never forget them, blacklist for life.

[@mattng06]

Check the TFL channel, subscribers have been putting lists of dealers that sell at MSRP and above….

[@Tuv0x]

It's basic supply and demand. I work for an auto group and we have a supply issue (as do all the dealers around us). If we sell all of our vehicles below MSRP, WAY below the market, we have empty lots and OEM's won't be able to resupply us. Not to mention our sales people who rely on their jobs to support families, or just live, won't have anything to sell. Maybe that means we should sell all of our new stuff at a low price, and just focus on used inventory. Well, in order to get used inventory, you either buy from auction (which has skyrocketed) or you buy from your customer base (or technically buy from other dealers, but you get the point). If I can't put them in something new because I priced too low and all my vehicles are gone, then I would just be 1-for-1 swapping all my used vehicles until I'm left with vehicles nobody wants to trade for. On top of that, half the customers won't want to sell their vehicles to us because for our prices to be low, we have to buy low. Other dealers will buy the same vehicle for a lot more, because they can sell it for a lot more. Because of competition in the market and basic supply and demand, our prices have to remain high. That is not to say, we haven't been super competitive. If undercutting the dealership down the road by a few grand is an option to get a sale, we take it. Where other dealers might charge you a few grand over sticker for a vehicle order, we'll order your vehicle for MSRP (unless it's something special, like a raptor, or corvette which you only get a certain number of allocations of).

[@jonnroellchen7989]

@@Tuv0x all the extra crap is ridiculous. the window tint, the "paint protection". all the stuff that adds money to the pockets of the dealership. I'm trying to order a new car right now and I've told them I don't want the extra crap and they said too bad. I ask how its not even an option since the car hasn't even made it to their lot and they just don't care. what happened to customer service and making the customer happy?

[@eliek2014]

@@Tuv0x sorry 20k markups will never be okay

[@xW01F]

Just fire everybody in care sales and have computers you use to order at the dealership. Problem solved

[@toothlessrage4761]

I bought a 2020 Ridgeline for $32,500 last year. That vehicle is now valued at $45,000. Never in my life have I purchased a vehicle and had it appreciate in value. Crazy.

[@cy_young_9104]

I hope you sold it

[@imgumbydmnt]

To anyone buying a new/used car, don't be afraid to get up and walk away at the dealership if you don't like the price. I used to sell new/used cars for a living, and recently my wife wanted a 2021 Rav4 Prime, which is a very hard car to get right now. The dealer tried to tack on an extra $5000 once we sat down and drew up the papers, and as soon as I saw the extra charge, we got up and started to walk out. The manager got butthurt that we didn't even try to negotiate, and I told him to knock off the 5g's or we were leaving, and he did. The point I'm trying to make, is they will try to gouge you, but it's up to you to get the price to where you want it. Don't be afraid to go elsewhere.

[@rxdawg75]

Right? everyone here acting like these cars are cancer medication. No one is forcing you to pay 50% to 100% over sticker. Just walk away. Prices will go back down. Wait a couple of years and you can own a Bronco for under sticker price. Guarantee it.

[@-darrell]

Don't assume you got one over on a car dealership. They spend every minute of everyday figuring out how to create an illusion of savings.

[@jaycvu]

I just did exactly that this morning, I left after seeing the gôddanm price, rep. Got pretty upset. They had a 2020 4runner at $20k above what it sold 2 years ago. 🖕

[@atlantic_love]

@@-darrell Exactly. They probably trumped his numerous times over with other charges, but made him THINK he was saving money by "catching the $5,000 charge". A whole lot of fictional encounters going on in these comments, but the truth remains that dealerships will fuck you over any way they can.

[@stdafx]

Bullshit. All dealers around me just don’t have cars. Next time you will buy a car bellow a sticker price will be after the sticker price get 2x increase.

[@donmoore7785]

I remember 5 years ago thinking it was insane that pickup trucks were selling for over $50K. I didn't see this coming. Since most people don't have $100k sitting around to buy a vehicle, I assume they will be slowly going bankrupt on time payments.

[@yutaka1488]

Here in Hawaii, people are selling 2nd gen Tacoma’s with 100k+ miles for $30k

[@thh420]

@@yutaka1488 that is no different from the mainland my dude. 2009's with 250K miles going for over $50K near army bases now. people are willing to pay for them.

[@TommyCubed]

@@yutaka1488 Dude was selling an 93 MR2 for the MSRP it was selling for when it came out. Fuckin wack jobs.

[@zydecbro]

when crash hits and everything resets all the idiots that purchased cars and homes at height of the market will be playing victim and begging for a bailout

[@WilliamStewart1]

@@zydecbro People have been saying that for a decade now.

[@chickenpasta7359]

We really need to be able to buy cars outright from manufacturers, especially now more than ever.

[@Joshua_N-A]

With customization.

[@vuththiwattanathornkosithg5625]

Tesla

[@davidsylvia8493]

That would be nice, but I believe it is illegal to buy direct. You can order a car direct and have it ship to a dealership though. 🤷‍♂️

[@COJW516]

@@davidsylvia8493 hence why it should be allowed

[@austinhernandez2716]

@@davidsylvia8493 yeah, that's why the OP said we should be able to...

[@ustreasurehunt5009]

People were selling overpriced “essential” items online and that was illegal immediately. Dealers have been ripping people off most of the time yet nothing has been done about it.

[@bro-ee8op]

Right dealerships should sell cars for ever 100 grand everytime. People who work at ds need the money they are going broke hahahahaha

[@mobilizedpanda3795]

Ironically theres evidence that scalping essential items can actual help in emergencies. Like after a hurricane a lot of people will buy generators and other items in areas far away and drive them to the affected areas to collect on the huge markup. They actually contribute to the relief effort. The problem these days is with online shopping. People will buy hot items in bulk, raise the price, and mail them to you with the same shipping service the manufacturer used to ship it to them. Providing no additional value to the economy.

[@MAVJ]

Dealerships in my area have the new broncos with higher mark ups then actually MSRPs. Can't believe it's legal

[@SVXtasy_]

I think sooner or later laws will come

[@boiledpnutz]

Manufacture SUGGESTED retail price

[@panzerveps]

Than*

[@Pelsssss]

As much as I hate it that's natural supply and demand. Don't wanna pay that much don't buy it. As more are made those prices will drop and you'll be able to get them at a steal of a price.

[@ReamlsGoing]

Can't believe people are stupid enough to pay the mark ups

[@bora01vr6]

We need to start calling these dealerships out. Leave 1 star reviews on all dealerships that are price scalping . I know it doesn’t sound like much , but creating awareness will hopefully put a dampener to what’s going on

[@BaldMancTwat]

Something tells me a lot of vehicle dealerships already have 1 star reviews.

[@jamesmorrison9544]

Kew giving them 1 star rating !! Who cares if they already have one lol greed !!!

[@xxhotelcrazyxx]

If dumbasses would just stop over paying, it would put a stop to it.

[@williamelliott]

@@xxhotelcrazyxx best statement yet. Ty

[@backcountryme]

Some price increase is acceptable when supply is short, but 50%+ is in no way acceptable. The dealers that are scalping should be called out like you said.

[@SpicyTaco7777]

"Why buy new when you could buy used for slightly more" I work at one of the largest used dealerships in Alberta CAN and while I haven't seen markups like this before (aside from maybe a GT500 that we have) things definitely are pretty crazy. Most things that can be shipped to the states get sent down which hurts supply. It started with trucks but right now our largest problem seems to be trying to find Grand Caravans... who would have thought that a Grand Caravan would be an appreciating asset?

[@ngombosamuelmuvera4734]

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[@-SP.]

I thought markups were illegal in Canada

[@williamwade7059]

A Grand Caravan??? Really A soccer mom's car. YIKES

[@extraslipperywhenwet]

Go auto ?

[@ptralx3122]

i fucking hate dealerships... stop doubling the price on a used car lmfao

[@nachete9752]

2:25 „yeah, i am thinking 50“ 😂😂😂😂

[@z06doc86]

GM just recently announced they are coming down hard on Dealerships that are selling the C8 above MSRP by taking away their allocations for future vehicles. Good for GM.

[@I_like_turtles_67]

Sure they will.

[@christophermarin8033]

Finally someone is doing something, hope others will do the same bc this is getting out of control.

[@garrettbainbridge1954]

As a dealership employee my whole life. If u sell em they'll send em.

[@mjkulikow]

LOL because they aren't in on it hahahahahaha

[@friedpickles342]

GM doesn't have a future

[@JamesSmith-dn8lb]

We should be able to buy directly from the manufacturers. The dealerships are just useless middlemen that the government forces you to go through.

[@Andy-ht7hg]

So you like paying sticker?

[@PKCeltic21]

or cash? well that could be an option but no for all people

[@brandonmckibben1164]

Your frustration is completely justified and understandable, but here are a few examples of services a dealership provides: Just new vehicles specifically: 1. Inspection of transport - repair of potential transport damage (scratches, broken parts, dents, etc.) 2. Pre delivery inspection and mechanical checks - removing shipping material for mechanical components (suspension blocks, ship mode, fluid checks, safety equipment checks, etc. - just to name a few things) - I've seen cars some in with missing parts, completely broken mechanical components, no fluids (oil, etc.), and all kinds of horrors. 3. Cleanup - vehicles don't often arrive clean unless you're buying a very high end product. 4. Recalls. 5. Dealing with your trade-in - believe it or not, most people don't trade in vehicles that are in great condition and require little to no reconditioning. 6. Comparing financing with multiple lenders to get you the best rate possible - yes I'm aware there is often a markup for providing the service. 7. Making sure you are aware of all rebates available from the manufacturer. Etc. A lot of the inner working of a dealership aren't understood by most people, so I'm just trying to give a little insight as to what actually happens. Hopefully that doesn't come off the wrong way. Cheers.

[@ramenpho8162]

@@brandonmckibben1164 all these for a 20k mark up??? No thanks.

[@camiloherrera7546]

@@ramenpho8162 yeah all that doesn't justify the crazy ass mark ups I'll gladly order direct to avoid mark up

[@Ivan-ud1gr]

We need to start calling these dealers out for their shitty, predatory practices. Support dealerships who don't try to actively fuck over the intended buyers.

[@saikanonojutsu]

So don't support dealerships then lol

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Be easier to do if there were people bot actually buying these things. But car lots are empty, there’s almost no incentive for them not to up prices when new product arrival is uncertain

[@jerryhannasch5302]

Study economics...🙄

[@butchblaster7073]

@@jerryhannasch5302 economics as a study, at least in America had their curriculum written in the wake of world war 2 during the cold war. It does not teach you how to navigate the economy, that's what business classes are for. Economics is for training cheerleaders who know the right thing to say when capitalism shits itself. Universities have "economics of business" as a class for a reason. Go study business if you actually want to learn something useful for navigating the economy and actually knowing what's going on. I took 3 semesters of an econ major. If anyone knows how useless it is, it's me who paid 7 grand for these classes and learned nothing relevant.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

To be fair, it's all free market. But it's free market on both sides: I choose not to buy from my local dealer for this reason.

[@phtevenchevas3960]

James always makes me laugh 😂 I hope his wonderful heart is doing well, without him the show wouldn’t be the same. Pump!

[@miata0363]

Reminds me when I work at Toyota when the Supra came out. The first Supra we got cost $55k since is a Launch Edition, but my dealer put a "addition cost* on the price paper and says $100k. So the car was selling for $155k. And it sold in a couple of days by a tuning company. Insane how much people with money will pay. We might make fun of dealerships increasing prices but the true clowns are the people buy those cars at those prices.

[@SantoineBethel]

You had to work in Texas or Florida. I also sold Toyotas and remember four Supras being bought by a tuning company from multiple dealers. If I remember correctly, dude did a burnout and wrecked one of the cars in the dealer’s lot.

[@600rrwheelieopjemoeder3]

They are not clowns because they DO have the money. BUT they ARE dicks for fucking it up for everybody else. Basically capitalism at its finest.

[@AndrewKidd14145]

@@600rrwheelieopjemoeder3 *unregulated capitalism b cause they’re allowed to

[@57precision]

The tuning company needed the car for R&D so probably got to write off a large portion of its cost. If somebody came in to buy one for personal use, yeah that would be ridiculous.

[@SantoineBethel]

@@57precision I wasn’t mad they bought them, I was mad my dealership wanted to auction our two allocations at MSRP or above. They wouldn’t allow us to sell them and the cars were auctioned at $500 above MSRP 🤣

[@lawrence80405]

I’ve been trying to buy a used car for my family but it’s outrageous. I feel for single car families who rely on transportation and can’t afford to wait for prices to go down. James captured my feelings perfectly.

[@NotADuncon]

The good thing about living in Yurp is our public transport kinda works (in most places really works) so families can use it instead of overpaying for cars in a boom market.

[@Mateicats]

I bought a full option Lexus CT200h for 22k euro in March 2019. Sold it for 24,6k euro in December after putting 40k kilometers on it. it's insane.

[@NotADuncon]

@@Mateicats Which country may I ask? It seems to me with those ridiculous prices long term rental or leasing make more sense. I live in an area where a hobby car makes little sense so I only use my car in an utilitarian way but jesus this is bad. The price inflation of everything because of transport issues (some companies have the biggest stocks of produced goods in history) + regular inflation make me feel like every raise I have gotten in the past 8 yeas was for nothing.

[@Immad1337]

Just picked up a mint 2005 325i for $1,100. Nobody who doesn't know BMWs can even guess the year. Timeless styled car that I'd comfortably take across country tomorrow. (Okay in all fairness, I did have to replace the rear subframe, but its not the most difficult task ever and the subframe was $200 on ebay) just sayin... nice family safe and reliable cars are definitely out there if you know what you're looking for. Got a 2012 audi Q5 s-line last year for 13k. Really look into 2005-2010 Audis BMWs and Infinitis. Toyota Avalons are also very nice and reliable cars with timeless class to them.

[@matthews852]

@@Immad1337 I don’t think telling ppl who seem to be on budget, to buy a 10-15 yr old high mileage 3 series, or Audi is sound advice lol.

[@xplosvexpert]

One brand that's doing it right is Subaru. When I bought my 21 WRX, I was told by the dealer that Subaru was punishing Dealers that sold cars above MSRP, by not giving them their full allocations for the next model year

[@theamericanextremist]

That’s cap now. My local dealer as the new brz at 35-40k

[@xplosvexpert]

@Michael Payne Depending on the trim that could be MSRP. Or maybe that particular dealer is willing to take the risk

[@PinkFZeppelin]

Can confirm, one dealer was even still honoring their agreement with my employer which is cars at invoice in October 2021. I ended up with a rav4 hybrid for msrp. I really tried giving the subaru my business but I decided unless I was going to get the lowest optioned forester possible it just wasn't a good value compared go toyota even at invoice. The mazda dealership was the same and I would have purchased a cx5 over any other in its class but it didn't work well with openpilot.

[@RevanDeluxe]

Sounds like all 3 dealerships near seattle will not be receiving their full allocations.

[@PinkFZeppelin]

@@RevanDeluxe lul, the subaru dealership in Bellevue is the one I was referencing. They aren't doing markup.

[@MeltWithU]

The funny thing is, the sales people at the dealerships are up on Facebook essentially trying to explain away why car prices are being marked up $10,000 plus over manufacture suggested price. What people don’t understand is, without customers… They make no money. If you’re going to buy something, buy something directly from a local seller and not a dealership. Even if it has a few issues that need fixed, you’re going to save money over what these dealers are charging. If you don’t want to do that, simply get the car you have fixed and wait till the market collapses. Just think what happens if the market just goes back to normal… that car you bought is now worth that less you paid over sticker value, even if it’s a one or two year old model. I’m surprised that banks are even giving the loans out knowing that these vehicles values are going to collapse as the market normalizes. I’d imagine at least some of them are requiring quite a bit more for down payment. As, you have to wonder how many people are going to default purposely. Just to get out from under the mountain of debt that I created by buying a car in this current market.

[@Ducking_Fustin]

I love people that justify this price gouging. This type of stuff will continue as long as people are willing to pay it... The same thing happens with game consoles. But if people stopped buying them at ridiculous mark up, then they wouldn't be ridiculously marked up lol.

[@FarFromAvgJoe]

Precisely. I just hope I live long enough to see some big new release get scalped into unobtainability only for the whole world to go "Nope, no thanks" in a giant unified fuck off to the practice. Like GPUs right now are being scalped by the pallet, literally, and morons are still buying them at over triple MSRP. It's so successful that scalpers are even selling by the pallet!

[@Javierm0n0]

The thing with game consoles is Sony has twice sold theirs at a loss. These dealerships rarely ever take a loss on anything.

[@minecraft12andothers]

Stuff like this usually begins to crash not too long after its conception

[@angelgjr1999]

@@Javierm0n0 This is why I admire Sony, they’ve been selling consoles at a loss (atleast in its release year) since the PS4. They actually want their fans to afford their products. Cant say the same for any car company tho.

[@Propulus]

Value is literally what someone's willing to pay. For some reason people are buying stuff for twice the cost of putting it on a shelf. I don't understand how all the overpriced cars and PC hardware is moving, when everyone's saying it's too expensive.

[@brendenhire6594]

I work at a ford dealership and can attest to the crazy prices. I have seen a used GT500 go for somewhere near 150,000$ and see trucks gor for near 60-100k almost every day.

[@yuriteixeira5816]

To add, I can attest to the telluride. Used yo sell palisades and before this market we sold them 5k over sticker easy. Now it was closer to 20k

[@reformedartist8528]

And you still probably have some crappy 2k gross cap on it.

[@rxklastz1770]

I’m a detailer at one too, a basic generic xlt f150 with cloth seats and 4x4 goes for like $48k if ur lucky

[@xoh-kp6kr]

So what happens when nobody buys a new car for a few years

[@JumpyWizardz]

@@xoh-kp6kr the manufacturers and dealerships will lose money and when it becomes too far gone the government will bail them out so they can repeat this again. Has already happened a dozen times it seems.

[@LeakyWaders]

This is why the dealership network needs to go away. Middle men just stuffing their pockets.

[@6gredlite907]

Who's gonna sell the cars then? Also can't trust that the manufacturer would be honest either.

[@FinalFastasyFan]

@@6gredlite907 the company has team to find the price it took to make the car and are the one that set up the MSRP....

[@yannickfeuillet6952]

@@6gredlite907 I mean in Germany, where you buy your car directly from the manufacturer, right now, you get a brand new BMW X3 with options or comparable SUVs from german luxury brands for the price of the honda civic at the beginning of the video (aka. 60k) so you tell me which are less corrupt, the carmakers or the dealerships in america

[@6gredlite907]

@@yannickfeuillet6952 You spend way too much money overseas for cars. I still go to dealers that sell cars for way less than these crooks. So idk why you taking shot like you been to every dealership.

[@jinozimzores8395]

Back in 2009 I was getting the oil changed on my Corvette at the local Chevy dealership. There was a brand new ZR1 in the show room with the usual dealer sticker in the window and just below that was a piece of binder paper with $40k dealer mark up written in black Sharpie.

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[@wolf-xf6hf]

fuck man i remember when i subbed like it was on the road to 1 or 2 million or smth. When I saw u said 6 million i actually said no fucking way audibly.

[@sekou3758]

How many are actually watching though?

[@mental_hazard6991]

stupid bots

[@oreojsn92]

Been here since the first episode of Up To Speed and loving every minute! 🍩❤️

[@TheDudeAbides1776]

Dealer: “This car has a $10k additional dealer markup.” Me: “No problem. My trade-in has a $15k addition customer markup.” Edit: Just to be clear I didn't really do this. Itza joke.

[@douglasboyle6544]

I bought a new vehicle in November and I had virtually this exact conversation with my dealer.

[@ryanrodriguez1234]

@@douglasboyle6544 did it work?

[@douglasboyle6544]

@@ryanrodriguez1234 Pretty much. They were willing to sell at MSRP since I was a returning customer and was trading in a mint very low mileage vehicle that they were, in turn, able to sell at its original MSRP. The Market is messed up but we both got what we wanted.

[@user-yy4ux9zf4r]

Great job using the market! Im not sure if I have an issue with dealers selling their vehicles at market prices. Otherwise they would just be immediately scalped up and sold by resellers on the used market. Im happy the dealers are trying yo prevent that.

[@g0tm1lk117]

@@douglasboyle6544 trading in a mint low mileage car should not get you down to just MSRP, I hate this market we're in.

[@oesoy]

I’m honestly very happy dealerships are suffering during these times. I cant wait till manufacturers wisen up and offer direct-to-buy just like Tesla.

[@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre]

I don't think that's how supply and demand works.

[@OdinsDemon]

Dealerships really aren't suffering. The lack of inventory is offset by the margins. Everyone I know in the industry is making more money than ever

[@JeremyWray86]

@@OdinsDemon Yepp, when I sold cars I made decent money but it was brutal sometimes trying to get sales or working 12+ hour shifts and 6 days to make it. Now they are working 8 hour days with weekends off, selling cars that are 6 months from being built, and selling for over msrp without much of a fight because its the same all over. Some of the people I know still in the business are loving life right now.

[@michaelt37]

I mean I get where you are coming from but as a salesman it’s our lively hood too right

[@mofro3456]

It's not that they can't offer directed buy it's more that's illegal. Dealerships have been lobbying Congressmen for years to stop stuff like that

[@Jcruzer70]

Went to buy a 2022 Bronco Sport Outer Banks. MSRP is 37K but the dealer tried to add only $2500 to the total price. I flat out refused and got it for the original price. Hats off to Premier Ford in Brooklyn, NY.

[@Thelawncarenut]

I worked in the car business for many years building dealer websites - to most of them the business is all about "moving metal." they could care less about the brand, performance or how loyal you are to Ford or Chevy. They don't make the product, they just move it and make the highest front end gross they can. That's all they care about. (and ripping you off in finance too - they care about clubbing those baby seals for sure)

[@richardburns9772]

Probably the most accurate and true statement on KZbin

[@muddyguns]

@@richardburns9772 idk...LGB is pretty good, too

[@johnperhach2534]

Lol, People say stealership for a reason!!

[@PandasFknRule]

I absolutely love when y'all do these. It humorously highlights how out of control these things are getting.

[@VTheGonk]

When James said "I'm tired" I was literally feeling the same thing lol This video was great. Amazing content as always

[@DerekMantei]

I was legit crying, lol

[@depo5626]

You guys should have included the the names of every dealership with each vehicle so we know whom to never buy from.

[@alonsogarcia9113]

Every dealer in america is probably doing this one way or another :(

[@t436]

Easier to list the ones that stick to MSRP. Pinstripe, tint, and nitrogen green tire plugs are $5K in dealer markups here

[@thh420]

all new cars are a scam. they make out like bandits on them lying like hell about ow profit margins and Nickle and dime the shit out of you. ask oldheads for stories of $500 floor mats tacked on in the price of cars.

[@thh420]

@@alonsogarcia9113 there is no probably, they are.

[@meesterbeefy13]

@@thh420 haha I was at BMW years ago and it was $500 wheel locks, "installed"

[@Aurummorituri]

Just keep a list, people. Remember all the “community-focused” dealers who now only care about how much than can scalp their community. Even when prices fall and they try to call remember their greed and go somewhere else.

[@TheSocketshock]

These same dealers bought back trucks for more than they sold them for..... nothing is free...

[@guysumpthin2974]

See: state “no gouging law” during emergency(covid) , 40ish states have them (vary for products & services ) but often covers : lumber, cars , gas , sanitary products , food . Based on prices prior to emergency and typically limited to 10-15% per year

[@samjackson3359]

It’s only worth as much as someone is willing to pay 🤷

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

I think we should be more angry at the people that actually pay these prices. Without them the dealers wouldn't be able to do it.

[@michaelweston2285]

i want to blame these dealerships as much as you, but a lot of these places have been desperate for inventory. the supply issues going on for the past year is affecting nearly EVERY industry. so if lots can't get hardly any vehicles to sell, they are forced to raise the prices on what they do get.

[@SDPTheGhost]

I hate covid price gouging. It’s literally affected every aspect of life because demand is so high and product availability is so low.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Get used to it for at least the next 3-5 years.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The Great Reset 😉

[@victoriap.m.6960]

It’s not price gouging. People are willing to pay it, so the market follows. If people weren’t willingly paying those prices, then they wouldn’t be where they are. Pretty simple.

[@111mmgg]

@@victoriap.m.6960 people are not willing to pay it they are willing to finance it like idiots.

[@Joshman69]

@@111mmgg That’s exactly right!! I mean after all who do you know that can pull that kind of money out of there fucking ass??

[@Splashmaster97]

Volvo Overseas Delivery is like buying direct from manufacturer, except its discounted and you get two tickets to Sweden and lodgings for 2 weeks to "test drive" your new car, and volvo will ship it to you after. Worth a shot if you can afford it.

[@SenorGato237]

The best way to keep the dealers from anal fiscaling us is simple: everyone stops paying over MSRP.

[@Gotti.G0tEm]

Go tell your favorite KZbinr that, and everyone else who wants to become KZbinrs and going to these dealership spending all this money they don’t have to impress their “fan base”.

[@FutilityOfReason]

@@Gotti.G0tEm absolutely. All these chumps that wanna "flex" and "stunt" on everyone around them because they have no inherent self-worth. It's a toxic culture here in the US and we're all paying for it.

[@Metalodeath]

Definitely and I wonder when new cars come back If dealerships are even gonna stock cars I’d honestly like it if all dealerships tuned into Tesla

[@Matt_STS]

It is that simple. No need to create stupid laws

[@Carlz1314]

Part of this is manufacturers too. The dealer takes the car into inventory for a factory price and they provide an msrp. BUT the dealer can of course charge more to make a profit but you can talk them down to msrp, but any features they add or work completed on the car gets added to the price. If a used car comes in needing an oil change or new tires, that cost gets handed down to the customer even if they didn’t request it.

[@mikehansen9898]

Manufactures have been "scolding" dealerships for years. I'm all for making money but what the ships are doing is incredibly gross. I sold Mopar for years. When the Demon came out it was insane.

[@smoshr4543]

Manufacturers aren't scolding dealerships, there was a report in AutoTrader about 2 weeks ago talking about how manufacturers are rethinking their inventory practices. Meaning they most likely are not going to saturate the market with inventory like they were before. Instead of them investing so much capital to manufacture a ton of units, they're going to manufacture less vehicles so dealerships can continue to capitalize on gross profit as well as manufacturers not having to worry about thousands and thousands of unsold units sitting on dealership lots aging and then having to invest more capital in rebates and incentives to help dealerships sell their cars

[@mikehansen9898]

@@smoshr4543 I don't think you read my comment. I was being sarcastic, manufactures have been saying they do something about massive markups but they never have. Its so gross.

[@JeremyWray86]

@@smoshr4543 Yeah in many industries they have learned that presales work and people will wait if they have no choice and it reduces waste on their end and they can charge more.

[@smoshr4543]

@@mikehansen9898 I see where you're coming from. But when a dealership is only going to get for the year 20% of the inventory that they had available to them every year before what else are they to do? In the past year and a half that I've been working I cannot remember one deal where I had to turn a customer away who owed money on a trade in. And if you sold cars before I'm sure you remember when someone came in wanting to buy a new vehicle or used one and said I have trade in I've had it for less than 2 years, I'm sure you remember the feeling of oh s*** these people are upside down if they don't have money down they're not going to be able to buy. Now people current owned cars are worth so much more they're making money above what they owe

[@gregkramer5588]

So if the dealer gives a discount I am guessing that is not as gross?

[@deddjay]

These prices are far more insane than I would have thought. Shows how much attention I've been paying to the market recently.

[@SF-dy6hn]

Price gauging on the back of a pandemic and using fake news stories about computer chip shortages to trick people into signing away their life on car notes. There's going to be lawsuits about this when people default.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

@@SF-dy6hn If they are dumb enough to pay those prices then kinda their fault

[@SF-dy6hn]

@@nofurtherwest3474 I guess if they're dumb enough to over charge then we shouldn't bail them out either when it bites them in the ass

[@bigmikestan]

This is all brought to you by the democrats Joe Biden administration

[@SF-dy6hn]

@@bigmikestan It's brought to us by fuckboys who Spam $1 on offer up and say 350,000 Miles $10,000 OBO for 1999 Honda Civics Clean title AC works. I used to run those kinds of Ads on Craigslist. The gypsy never even paid me. Biden administration can't fuck up car prices worse than car dealers who flood car buying sites with junk. They're abusing platforms and the aftermarket is legit squeezed on both ends. Sell a used car you'll get 70% below market value. Buy a used car and you'll pay 5x market value. And then you've got car middlemen who buy cars from other dealers making the whole market seem more legit than it really is. Digital Market is 100% manipulated same way Google, Facebook, KZbin censors the truth about the _____ error comment deleted.

[@bavarianbanshee]

I hate dealerships so much at this point. I can't wait for the day that we're finally rid of those lousy scam artists.

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

Haha have you heard of the Tesla experience lol? A great example of why dealerships are superior in many ways

[@CXY96]

@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 I haven't. Can you please explain?

[@marncyn]

@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 must be a dealer.

[@cafenightster4548]

@@marncyn Lol, they're basically the Apple of cars. You cannot install aftermarket parts or they'll disable it. It costs 10k to replace the batteries.

[@marncyn]

@@cafenightster4548 don’t buy a Tesla and what does that have to do with a dealer.

[@Sinn0100]

The only thing I can say is...do your research before you buy. Know what it is you want before going to a dealership. Know what dealership fees to are bogus and which one's are necessary. For example never pay for a vehicle transport on a used car that is already physically on the lot. Thankfully, there are companies you can trust and I'm living proof of that. I just bought a yellow and black 2017 Dodge Challenger RT+P (every option) with 61,000 miles, 3 year 150,000 mile warranty for 21,500 tax, tag, title included. Thank you Carmax.

[@Aurummorituri]

The markups on the economy cars are the most diggusting. 50% markup on a car someone with a low income who needs a car would buy is beyond immoral.

[@BaldMancTwat]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's actually already the case starting with the vehicle manufacturers themselves. They are making a massive profit selling cars to people who can't afford them too.

[@victoriap.m.6960]

Then how would it be fair for a dealer to lose his money and close up shop by selling at last years market prices when he too has to pay higher to get used cars for him to sell to people? If everything was how you want it, there would be less dealerships, no pricing competition, and ultimately an even worse market. Think a little.

[@wyw201]

@@victoriap.m.6960 Given how smooth the Tesla buying experience is, I'm fine with no dealerships lol

[@nickrussell8029]

The market is insane. Bought a 4 runner in Jan of 2019 for 15k, it’s now valued higher with 50k miles more. Makes no sense.

[@VIccs826]

I bought one as well, but in 2020 for 10.5k. It’s tempting to want to sell it, but I know I wouldn’t be able to afford another similar one lol

[@thecatch4884]

What year 4 runner?

[@Eskimofo-le4sy]

I wish we could buy directly from the manufacturer. I’m tired of these mf’n dealer markups. “Oh you want a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro for $53,000? well F@$K YOU!, that’s gonna be an extra $45,000 because… inconvenience. We had to actually work to get the vehicle here by making a few phone calls.” GTFOH.

[@bindingcurve]

Most dealerships will let you buy at MSRP if your willing to wait for 3 months, Kind of what you have to do with a Tesla :)

[@SPDSTA05]

Working at a dealership (in the service department) and watching this on my lunch break just seems a little funny. Also, please don't spank me for the sales department's sins.

[@MrMrsregor]

Steelership shop fees are just as outrageous

[@SPDSTA05]

@@MrMrsregor sometimes, yes. Our labor rate is actually fairly comparable to independent shops in the area. And our oil change prices are often better than theirs.

[@floodtheinbox]

i'm glad this video came out to make me feel better about how the world is crumbling around me and at every point in my life the price of goods has been JUST out of reach.

[@honchoryanc]

Time to legislate dealerships out of the picture and go to direct sales from the manufacturer. Cut out the middle man completely, dealers need to compete against oems for sales.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Never going to happen...go research how the dealer finances their inventory. The manufacturers aren’t interested in doing that (exclusive of the state by state dealers laws).

[@Sako03]

Tesla does this and it works wonderfully

[@jesussanchez799]

I work at a dealership in Southern California and we sell at msrp only no markup not even on our corvette c8 Rotolo Chevrolet is the dealership my name is Jesus Sanchez I’d appreciate if you could spread the word come in and ask for me.

[@roymarshall_]

"Everything I don't like should be illegal" that's a mentality that absolutely wrecks economies

[@eastbaystreet1242]

@@roymarshall_ and nations.

[@cmdrdredd]

Glad I bought my car when I did. Right around 2021 before all the gouging on the used market appeared. Got a Mustang GT350 for $51,000. It was even priced incorrectly online and they honored it. Shortly after I got it, I’d say 6 months, all the new stock dried up so the used prices skyrocketed with cars like mine going for 70k and up.

[@celestek.b.5257]

It was upsetting to see that Mavericks are getting marked up a ton. The whole selling point of the thing is that it's an inexpensive truck!

[@maginext]

One dealership in South Fl is asking 42,000 out the door for a GR86 Base, auto, Halo white. Another 40,000 for Premium Red Manual. And at another one I put the deposit down on a Premium Red, manual for 36,500 OTD. Marked up over 1598, the rest are taxes, docu, reg, add on fees

[@mosbazin592]

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[@Hunter-nb5bj]

🤣 for that car? 42k! That thing is a 20k car in my book

[@maginext]

@Roberto Vidal Garcia I thought the same thing myself. But if your in a position where you A. need a new car B. Done alot of shopping and negotiating around. C. Are fortunate to have a high paying job. Then go ahead pay the markup after doing all the backround work. Markups are not going away on sports cars for a while.

[@Marakeshh]

@@Hunter-nb5bj in europe you cant even get them used with like 100k miles for 20k lol

[@RichSutherlandBB]

I must be the luckiest person ever… I walked in and got a Tacoma for msrp, then ordered a bronco with Sasquatch package and got it for msrp (also one of the first to arrive in Colorado). I don’t understand why anyone is paying these ridiculous prices. Don’t reward dealerships for being douchebags.

[@vo7tage]

One word: California.

[@EulogizingSleep]

@@vo7tage this is happening all over Nevada

[@CactusJack252]

@@vo7tage it's the same in Virginia as well

[@jesussanchez799]

@@vo7tage I work at a dealership in Southern California and we sell at msrp only no markup not even on our corvette c8 Rotolo Chevrolet is the dealership my name is Jesus Sanchez I’d appreciate if you could spread the word come in and ask for me.

[@Freightshaker69]

@@jesussanchez799 what dealership

[@surferbone82]

That Civic SI is in socal. 15k market adjustment + 4k in dealer add-ons. I remember checking it out in the showroom, and when I called out the markup one of the other customers who was in the room laughed out loud.

[@flash31939]

I was looking at the new 2022 Golf R because I’m supposed to get a discount off invoice due to being in the supplier program. Called my local dealership to reserve one and they told me that not only will they not honor the discount, but it’s going to be a 25k markup over MSRP. 75k for a Volkswagen is not okay.

[@jesseb5985]

Try calling other dealerships, maybe some will

[@antonis5999]

Even 50k for a golf isn't ok haha

[@chgofirefighter]

Eliminating car dealerships and going direct to the manufacturer would stop this madness. Also, stopping supplies to the stealerships, canceling dealer license, there’s measures that could be taken by changing laws too. Politicians, government don’t want to intervene in this madness

[@jeremyjones8303]

You ask, "why is this legal?" I ask, why people are buying them. Also, I would add that government is a big cause behind supply chain shortages, so expecting them to fix it is an oxymoron.

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

Because the rich have become so obscenely wealthy it really doesn't matter what something costs anymore. I remember a few years back my neighbour was selling his 5 year old Mini Cooper for more than MSRP. One day some Kim Kardashian-looking chick shows up, and she was like "OMG it's, like, totally cute!" and he gave her the whole song and dance about how it's all about that "super rare special trim" that would make all her friends jealous, and he sold it. I kid you not, he made a PROFIT on a car he bought brand new 5 years earlier.

[@Redstriker265]

People still need cars. How the fuck are you actually typing out "why are people buying them"

[@JustinBone]

13 Months ago, I bought a car. With the current market, I could sell it for roughly 25% over what I paid for it... And that would be a "good deal" or very competitive price to most on the market right now. It's absolutely ridiculous. Who is buying cars at these prices?? lol

[@mosbazin592]

𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 *NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE* tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘

[@Ajtoh]

People who need cars? Stupid fucking question

[@javierortiz82]

@@Ajtoh people who just need a car can buy a $ 2k ~ $ 5k burner and call it a day, but most people just want to buy as a symbol of status and not only to move from point A to point B.

[@Ajtoh]

@@javierortiz82 or something that they don’t have to worry about repairing three times a year. Have fun with that 2-5k hooptie

[@billyhill2488]

@@Ajtoh Yup. My trucks are someone else's problem when they start messing up because I've moved on by then. All comes down to what your peace of mind is worth and age, wear, and tear are the enemy.

[@CapnFlappyJaw42]

I'm wanting the new Z and Dealer prices have me scared. I imagine dealerships are going to sell them for at _least_ 80k which is absolutely ridiculous.

[@dundun8640]

i think it has something to do with the "printed money" in the US but that may be just only me

[@aesiqui]

Automatic or manual, I am not expecting that car to stay under 60k when it finally comes out.

[@logicalrationalfishing7481]

To pay 50k for a used 2WD mid sized truck is unreal. 35k a few years ago got you a 4WD full size truck moderately equipped. No way any mildly intelligent human buys these.

[@OMG_No_Way]

I’m so glad my local Ford dealer honored MSRP on our new ‘21 Bronco Badlands w/Sasquatch. We didn’t pay a penny over MSRP. There are still some reputable dealers out there.

[@FutureShawn0058]

Same here, I had an amazing experience. I got my Bronco and C8 for MSRP!

[@enfynet]

Back when I bought my 05 mustang in late 2004, I paid msrp because I got my price before delivery; and watched them sell a copy of my car to a guy for 6k over msrp the same day

[@theoldtimefiddler]

I was at my local ford dealer getting work done on my vehicle and they had 2 broncos in their showroom. these were not basic either. they had some kind of package, but one fancy 4 door and one a 2 door, both selling for msrp. the 4 door 51K and the 2 door in the low 30's. and these guys were low on new vehicles too. They said nowadays people are ordering their vehicles direct from the factory through them. turning into catalog showrooms i guess. with huge parking lots....

[@PStewart28]

@@theoldtimefiddler So you can bypass dealership markup?

[@chele-chele]

That's how you make and retain clients for life. Those that are fucking buyers will tank when inventory rebounds...

[@jaedanb]

Here's a good solution to the dealership overcharging problem. Don't buy it! Buy used or negotiate sturdily. They're only selling cars for 200% markup over msrp because people are agreeing to pay that.

[@cd-pu5uv]

It doesn't matter if I dont buy it, some dumbass will come along and oay what they're asking.

[@speedracer2please]

Even used car prices are insane right now though, there's just no good way to buy cars until supply catches up to demand

[@mryoung0412]

Absolutely. And just like the housing bubble when this auto bubble bursts we'll end up with people paying 800/month on a car worth 25k which will intensify the recession

[@creedns]

@@mryoung0412 I can't wait for that. Can finally get the pointless single cab truck I've been wanting for a boosted street truck 😂

[@1keskev]

It doesn't if you don't buy from the dealership they can just sell it on auction and still make its profit

[@ArcherOrant]

This is both hilarious and extremely sad. I got a 21’ Civic Hatch Sport with manual last year at exactly MSRP. Didn’t really realize how good it was of a deal until seeing pricing recently :(

[@mikecheslock3542]

The first time I ever saw this type of price mark-ups was with the 2010 Camaro. I lived in Vegas at the time and the dealers were marking up anywhere between $15,000 and $25,000.

[@Zdarovinis]

@@jamesw.6931 Liiit 😁

[@BullittKid08]

@@jamesw.6931 my dad and i did the same thing back in that time period. He still drives the 09' denali he got to this day, 170k easy going miles. I went to buy a 2008 mustang bullitt, the dealer wanted 5k over and i declined. They called me a month later, hat in hand, because no one would pay over sticker. Its been in my garage ever since

[@mitchhedberg4415]

@@jamesw.6931 Now they have CHinese made manual transmissions that fall apart.

[@cynshane]

Yes, dealers have gone wild. I was just trying to buy the new Toyota 86 GR. They wanted $40K for a $30K car. After buying 3 Toyotas and 2 Lexus, Toyota has made it impossible to buy one of their cars due to their dealers. The local Ford dealer has a 2 door Broco for sale, they want $74 K for it...lol

[@MrMittenshasatophat]

Man this hurts to read, I am seeing the same thing. I just want a premium seat 86 at around 34k at most not this bullshit they are tacking on.

[@rblbatb]

I am going to remember this when the cycle ends. I am going to boycott these dealers going forward. Not cool.

[@Dan-mc7xg]

these prices are insane! I bought a new 2010 Camaro SS and thought $38k was still overpriced. Holding onto it forever!

[@mattlundstrom2993]

12:48 shout out was great. I hope business there booms and buyers say they heard about their dealership on Donut!

[@S1llyGo0s3]

As a McDonald salesman, for our VW branch across town from mazda west. We all appreciate the shout out!

[@ultimategamingjr]

Back in 2017, my family bought a 2017 Chevy Traverse LT brand new, and we just sold it in November with 98k miles on it. I looked on the dealer website just out of curiosity and It's up for sale for $25,000. That's really close to the original MSRP when it was brand new. It wasn't really a good car during the time we had it and definitley not worth the price it's going for. Thank God nobody is foolish enough to buy it, but it's crazy how the used car market is now.

[@brando.94]

Purchased my 2007 chevy silverado duramax with 179,000km (111,000mi) for 22k, one year ago. Near identical trucks have recently been listed near me ranging from $37,000-$47,000. For a 15 year old truck. 50k was probably it's msrp!

[@rutatutut]

Traverses are the biggest POS. Amazing.

[@TheGerardo136]

I recently went to a Hyundai dealer to try to get a veloster n but they were disguising a dealer market as a “warranty package” trying to play me dumb like I didn’t know the car already came with one. And they just wouldn’t drop it the mark up. I was so pissed. There needs to be a law that stops all this markups

[@jamesromeo1]

We are in a time where dealerships shouldn’t exist . Where you can order online directly from the manufacturer

[@T0astedR0asted]

At this point, seeing an FE Bronco going over 130k is abnormally normal

[@mosbazin592]

𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝 *NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE* tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘

[@its_kar]

They are not just adding markups on the car but also on the hidden fees. I was looking at a car for $12000 and the total price on the bill of sale was $17500 after all the packages that are supposedly already installed and applied to the car.

[@gloomsdoom649]

Low credit also affects that. It sucks.

[@judahsoremy9857]

@@gloomsdoom649 The FIRST thing they do is draw your credit score, so NO, that's applied to the initial cost estimate.

[@sterlingmoore4798]

@@judahsoremy9857 are you talking new sales? What if they are buying used and don't need financing? (Cash deal)

[@Blank5115]

Hidden fees do not exist. It is illegal to do this and they would be caught not only by state regulators but also the banks. I still can't believe how stupid people can be about believing this kind of thing. When you go to do the paperwork be very close attention to what you are signing. Nothing can be hidden. Everything will be shown so therefore if you happen to see something that you did not agree to do not buy. If they have window tint for $2,000, that's not a good thing to buy. Again, nothing is hidden. Use common sense. Yes, there are some shady dealerships who will try and sell you $2,000 tint. But there are no hidden fees.

[@judahsoremy9857]

@@sterlingmoore4798 I ONLY pay with cash. Anyway, I was replying to Gloom's Doom's comment above.

[@downhillgroovy5859]

from a friend that bought a Ranger Tremor recently; they just use that mark-up as something they can remove as a discount and not have to dip into their regular price at all... These markups aren't real. Of course there could be people out there that don't attempt to get a discount and might pay that mark-up stupidly...

[@Bacon__SteezBurger]

This just melted my brain, and made me so sad for people in the market looking for a car right now. I’m in love with this game though, and can’t wait to see if y’all do more 🙌🏽 I did surprisingly well actually too, and felt like all my guesses were so off and made no sense😂

[@tamiwu0346]

I guess my first car will be the local bus ಥ_ಥ

[@Technically_classic]

I can't find an affordable used car so I've been biking 10 miles to work

[@TheRealStevenSeagals]

This is insane! Who would pay the stupid high prices? Love you guys, Donut Rules!!!

[@mauserman8mm1]

Sadly it’s people that actually need a car that are getting screwed over and be so in over their heads after they buy if the market crashes anytime soon

[@TheRealStevenSeagals]

@@mauserman8mm1 I bought an Accord recently. I had to shop for months to get a good deal, but they are out there. For me I bought my Honda from a Nissan dealership, I believe dealers sell cars other than their own brand at cheaper prices

[@TyhlerNovac]

Loopy After Pulling Mouth full of Teeth...kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZOklqR9qbyMedE**************

[@Theeeeea]

@@mauserman8mm1 dude. If you really need a car buy an old one lmfao, no one needs a 1000 mile brand new car

[@Theeeeea]

@@23chnge I work at a used car dealership, I can’t account for everyone but we definitely don’t rip anyone of, people buy cars left and right and if they had an issue with our prices they can go to a different dealership. Also you can buy privately but that isn’t better than buying from a dealership for obvious reasons

[@richardshirk1155]

Most dealerships will honor MSRP on orders because the vehicle was specially designed for you, but if you’re shopping stock, supply and demand controls price. For instance, getting a Bronco for sticker is easy. You’ll just have to wait 2 years for an order to get there just like I am.

[@PostalTwinkie]

So glad I ordered my 2022 Maverick hybrid 7 months ago and locked in my price. Production is next week and these now have nutty markups.

[@F_________________]

It’s stuff like this that makes me hope Ford and GM go the same route as Tesla and cut out dealership altogether. It would save customers and the company more money to eliminate the greedy middleman. The only issue would be people buying them to flip them, which Ferrari already cracks down on and will black list you for it.

[@buckhorncortez]

Fine. How do you get around the state laws requiring autos to be sold through dealerships? The dealerships were originally required to ensure the buyer would have local service avalable. Ford tried selling direct in Texas through Ford-owned dealerships and was told that didn't meet the state law because the dealers had to be independent of the manufacturer. It's not like Tesla invented selling direct. In New Mexico, Tesla got around the state dealership law by locating the dealership at an Indian pueblo which is governed by federal law. So, there is ONE Tesla dealership in a state that's 127,697 square miles - not exactly great coverage if you want to sell automobiles...

[@thegeneral1955]

@@buckhorncortez Dealerships are digging themselves a hole by doing this if it continues for awhile which is very well might. Auto manufacturers are already sending letters to dealers telling them to stop (GM and Ford have done so) if they don’t stop I wouldn’t be surprised if the manufactures eventually start lobbying.

[@jackradzelovage6961]

@@thegeneral1955 you mean to tell me that the government made laws for a stupid self-correcting problem, and now its costing everyone hundreds of thousands of dollars more per sale because theyre dumbasses? woahhhhh imagine that

[@F_________________]

@@buckhorncortez if Tesla could get around dealerships, I’m sure other companies could do the same. After all it’s independently owned businesses that are allowed to sell their products. They could easily say this dealership isn’t one they endorse any longer, or at least take away their allocations for specialty vehicles.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

@@thegeneral1955 "Real estate agents are digging themselves a hole by allowing people to bid over asking for houses." Same ridiculous concept. If you have a hot product, you take offers and go with the highest one.

[@9Epicman]

At this point if I really wanted a new car I'd check dealerships all around the country and just buy whoever isn't charging extra and have it shipped lol.

[@biggwill21931]

Excellent idea LOL

[@michaelt37]

Cmon up to Canada, we’ve got sticker price on everything!

[@austinhighley349]

to be fair not every dealership is like this, but the ones that are probably are a very low volume store, that already struggled to get inventory before hand. or they are straight price gauging, and taking advantage. the ones with reasonable mark ups, is simply, supply and demand. if you go from 400 cars on the lot to 15, no one will be able to make money, if you keep the same below msrp prices.

[@rookietoprobuildz]

Prices got me stressed 🤯 12:36 time to buy my cars from Colorado

[@toasterbathboi6298]

I really, really, really hate that we're forced to buy from dealers. I wish direct sales were legal.

[@camfab1gharagozian413]

tesla

[@ScottyBGaming239]

@@zsbacskai7331 And look where that got the soviet union. I'll take free market capitalism ANY day. At least with capitalism if you work hard enough you can make as much money as you want. Communism? No.

[@toasterbathboi6298]

@@zsbacskai7331 it's literally government regulation that's keeping direct sales illegal. Also, yeah the soviet system is soooooo much better, with yearlong waitlists for 30 year old car designs. Of which you had about 3 different models to choose from.

[@strozyvoodoo5395]

@@zsbacskai7331 Unfortunately, the caliber of vehicle wasn't much to be desired. Not many multi vehicle homes either.

[@600rrwheelieopjemoeder3]

@@ScottyBGaming239 Are you saying that the right to buy a car without a middle man would be socialist?

[@FinchIsFubar]

man I work for a Toyota dealer and some of thr prices we have blows my mind. and even more with the used cars we have.

[@RidgeRunner4501]

I work at a Toyota dealership that puts a 1k paint protection thing on every new car and in return we don’t do any markups.

[@AJ-rw3lf]

That's still a scam

[@hipster_tacos]

@@AJ-rw3lf I'll happily pay 1k more instead of paying $20,000 over MSRP 🤨

[@RidgeRunner4501]

@@AJ-rw3lf kinda but they could be charging 20k+ so I think it’s fair

[@PrydeWater901]

The dealership rant is well warranted. I was a salesman when the C6 Z06 was a thing. $10k markup was normal. Also, this is the very reason Elon Musk is trying to disrupt the dealership model.

[@dirkdiggler2379]

might as well get a tesla then.

[@rkan2]

Teslas are actually pretty cheap even if they've gotten a bit more expensive.. The battery doesn't even make a difference anymore with these prices lol.

[@smoshr4543]

It's also the reason Tesla's sales are not turning a profit. The same reason why Tesla is trying to contract with GM or Ford to develop a boutique/dealership model. Because they realized that they cannot continue the way that they've been doing business. They are going to have to go to a dealership model

[@rkan2]

@@smoshr4543 What the hell are you smoking? :D Remember to check quarterly results...

[@westonbaccus231]

@@smoshr4543 Tesla is turning a profit

[@tldrafaik6144]

Bought my Telluride april of 2020 for 33k, checked the carmax value and they offered 39k 😳 if you think those are crazy, just look at the price of those 20 year old diesel trucks...

[@brianchapman8531]

I don’t get how the dealers that are gouging get away with it? Carmax has Supras priced higher than what you'd pay for a brand new one. Make it make sense. One dealer has a used 2019 Hellcat Charger with a salvage title ("frame damage") priced at $62k. 🥴

[@McRaeHopper]

Honestly there's enough content on how scummy & awful the new Bronco roll out has been for a full WHEELHOUSE video. Awful dealerships, huge surprise ADM, poor communication from Ford, an atrocious allocation formula that punishes the few good dealerships. A reservation system where the reservation & time stamp means nothing. I reserved mine over 500 days ago & based on Ford's allocation, I will be waiting 2-3 more years while other dealerships are ALREADY getting recent reservations builds in. All because I finally found a dealership that'd sign an agreement on sticking to MSRP. Mike Levine, Ford's Communications director strait up said on twitter, don't like waiting, get something else. & that's not even close to all the drama around this roll out lol It gets crazy. I also think that drama is slowly spreading to their other roll outs like the maverick & lightning.

[@sheafloyd9904]

They should just call it the "dealership mark up edition " Love you guys! Thanks for always bringing us platinum content in a cubic zirconia world

[@tomchillen3039]

I don't get it

[@eduardomeza7279]

@@tomchillen3039 cubic zirconia are basically fake diamonds really cheap and easy to make. They look pretty at first glance but it's not real.

[@coloradotrader7202]

the people who have looted america are the federal reserve and their crony banker friends. now that the dollar is collapsing normies are going to blame all of the wrong people. since the federal reserve DOUBLE THE SUPPLY OF DOLLARS in the last 18 months.

[@mitchhedberg4415]

Who says platinum is worth that much?

[@djakavey]

Want to know something funny mainstream banks are not financing the markups on vehicles. I recently went through having to get a new truck and had to threaten to call the manufacturer directly and report the dealer for 20k mark up on a 22 ram 2500. They even tried to charge 700 for nitrogen filled tires. I told them they where full of it and called the tire store down the street on speaker and asked how much it would cost to fill the tires with nitrogen. There answer was 50 for all 4 tires. I made a complaint with the BBB as well. Price gauging is illegal.

[@eastcoastdouchebag7105]

Used car prices are really ticking me off. There's no way anyone should be paying $7K for a 2005 Echo. Once again the middle class is getting screwed.

[@Huels]

This is Bidens America. I don't even own a car because I live in the big city, but I feel for all the people who drive vehicles.

[@eastcoastdouchebag7105]

@@Huels I'm not sure about the USA. I guess they're in a similar situation to Canada.

[@paulharris5497]

When i was shopping for my Rav4 Prime, i seen an article about a dealership in Oakland, CA asking over 90k for one. I was so fortunate to find an honest dealership that sold to me at MSRP. Shout out to Clearwater Toyota!

[@johnnykilroy9399]

90k for a Rav4???!!!!! Yea we’re in the end of times smh

[@jesseb5985]

@@johnnykilroy9399 that’s like 2 4runners lmao

[@brandonpotts54]

Not my dealership we are doing no market adjustments on new vehicles. We sell them at sticker.

[@Madd_Jack]

This seems to be a trend everywhere there is a chip shortage... Computer components for DIY PC building even at most stores is enormous Good to see Ford trying to keep it real. Some PC part manufacturers are also trying to keep it real. This is why I drive a Chevy HHR that has 300,000 miles on it xD Parents: Just go out and buy a house, and a car like we did back in the day... houses and cars in their day: Reasonably priced for new and used things. houses and cars in our day: How would you like to pay for this today? Kidney? First born?

[@tjracerz3173]

Wouldn’t exactly say that, we got a 21 raptor in recently and they marked it up 20k but the gt500 we got is going for msrp (track pack by the way).

[@hipster_tacos]

@@tjracerz3173 Ah, the flex

[@javierortiz82]

My grandpa used to sweep the streets, barely knew how to read, he had 11 kids, one of which unfortunately passed away shortly after birth, plus his wife, he bought two contiguous plots of land, huge, in a capital city, and built a house, and fed all that massive family, what a champion. I'm alone, I work for a multinational company, no debt, I'm currently saving for a 30 m^2 mausoleum (under 323 square feet) to throw my bones into and die, I'm very likely to die before it's paid off.

[@tjracerz3173]

@@hipster_tacos nah for some reason the dealership I work at marked up the raptor but not the gt500, they marked up the used c8 though, even than someone bought it.

[@1Raunchy]

@@tjracerz3173 because it’s a hype vehicle …

[@coolbluelights]

I finally am in a point in my life where I feel financially stable enough to buy a newer car annnnd car prices go through the stratosphere. I'm still stuck with 20 year old clapped out junk just like I was when I was in my early 20s.

[@gothicbbmelvin]

spend that money on something that will immediately improve your life instead

[@ryanrogue480]

I do online car auctions at least once a month. I constantly see C8's on there that go from 110-130k depending on the trim and they get it. Every time.

[@zacharycash6975]

Same. And they stickers new for $78K

[@BaldMancTwat]

That sounds like a reasonable price to me though, for what is essentially a supercar?

[@2011blueman]

C8 pricing is starting to collapse. It's why you can find a ton of them for sale on carmax for less than $110K, most are less than $100K.

[@texastootin1628]

And people keep saying the z06 will be just over 100k...... More like 300k

[@zacharycash6975]

@@texastootin1628 Yeah but GM is going to put a stop to that 🤣🤣🤣

[@LazyFaux5656]

FCA dealership my friend works for charges MSRP (even on custom orders) for all vehicles on their lot. Honest people.

[@fineoutside]

James clearly hasnt watched The Price is Right 😂 9:54

[@TheGreekSneak]

The markups at dealerships steered me right towards a Tesla. I even had a preorder at VW that got a markup when the allocation was finally offered to me. For these adjusted prices, none were worth it. 24k markups at Jeep/Dodge, 10k markups at VW and I wasn't even called back after leaving my card with contact info at an Acura dealership when I asked for a TLX Type S. Tesla was the easiest car buying experience so far and pre-approval for low interest loan was one of the fastest I've witnessed. The industry is shifting and it'll drive even more towards EVs.

[@Redditor6079]

Boy you're going to LOVE your tesla when your warranty ends. Your light goes out and that'll be around 22k to fix. 🤣 Tesla absolutely price gouges too, it's just on the back end when you desperately need them to fix your car.

[@TheGreekSneak]

@@Redditor6079 I don't typically drive vehicles for 10 years or 100,000 miles though so that's not a concern.

[@cartisells7844]

@@Redditor6079 depends on the type of tesla. tesla model s is shoved with many electronics but the model 3’s have proven to be reliable to most consumers

[@Redditor6079]

@@cartisells7844 not from what I've seen. Donut did a great review on Tesla, go watch it reliability ratings are abysmal.

[@1bossplaya8444]

@@TheGreekSneak well you ever do come on down an get a KIA, we got you covered😂

[@joelhugo2733]

In fairness as a dealer we are getting hit with hard ass fees, we still keep the price as affordable as possible but man times are tough, do what you can to buy parts from your local small town dealerships/ parts stores, trying to compete with online stores is killing us, we can’t process parts as fast as Amazon with huge piles of money to invest into employees and procedures that can be more efficient. Sure it’s mildly inconvenient but that’s where this community started, meeting random folks that hear your problems and they know a trick or they get to see that sick build you drive up they’ve been selling you parts for helping you dreaming with you. It’s about community and enjoying what we’ve worked so hard on. Those dealerships are way out of line (Not the Colorado one tho lol) but do understand there’s some huge costs of doing business in today’s society in a covid world we’re living in.

[@matthewm3912]

I feel not pity for you. You slime balls have been doing this long before the pandemic.

[@ChrisPBacon-gn9jx]

I bought my 2017 Silverado LTZ Z71 for 39k two years ago. Used dealers in my area are now selling the exact same truck with double the mileage for 48k. The car market is insane right now, and dealers are going all in or markups

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[@justinc6962]

I think the chip shortage has a lot to do with it