Doom 3 Theme vs Tool

Couldn't find a comparison so I made one myself. The game itself is also pretty fun.

[@bksniperguy]

It seems the algorithm has blessed this old video of mine, and just wanted to say how cool it is to see people discussing it. However, given that I literally made this video in a couple hours, I'd like to go a little further in depth over some of the things I've missed. Some people have rightly compared the first clip to songs like "The Grudge" (which has a bassline that utilizes a similar timbre as well as using some of the same notes) and "Reflection" (which also makes significant usage of the toms). One user even compared the intro bassline to a song called "Hey Man Nice Shot" by "Filter" (which I think is a bit unfair, even if the resemblance is definitely there). The main riff of the Doom 3 theme only really shares a few notes with the main riff of "Lateralus", but the first few notes do match up rather well. The main riff does also bear at least some resemblance to many other riffs by many other nu metal bands, despite being in a strange time signature (3 measures of 5 followed by 1 measure of 6). The third section does also sound somewhat similar to the bridge of "Eulogy", despite being in a different key. Multiple users also mentioned the end of "Third Eye", which does sound remarkably similar to the end of the Doom 3 theme. Also I should mention the theme was made by Tweaker (founded by Chris Vrenna of NIN), not ID Tech :P But as for the conclusion; Do I think Tweaker ripped off Tool? No, but also kinda. You see, it'd be one thing if they utilized just one of the many Tool-esque aspects such as the: Tool-style bassline Significant use of toms Weird time signatures The use of the same notes/progressions Weird droning guitars But to utilize all of these aspects, alongside directly copying some chords/note patterns (again, this very much applies to Third Eye and Lateralus), just goes to shows that they were totally going for a Tool-esque sound, or at the very least a Tool-inspired Nu metal sound. Yes, the time signatures don't match, but there are much more significant aspects to music that contribute to a band's "sound" than the time signatures. But with that all said, the Doom 3 theme is a unique piece in it's own right. Unlike the older Doom games, it never directly recycles a riff. And despite it's inspirations shining through very strongly, I still believe that the emotions it cultivates are unique and are a near-perfect representation of the game itself.

[@Average_Internet_DMC_420]

man I ain't reading all of that however I love tool

[@tommapar]

I always compared that song to Tool man, glad to see I'm not alone in thinking that. It's awesome how the metal scene always shaped Doom's music scores. But I mean, metal pretty much was designed to be demon fighting music right? Ha! Cheers!!

[@CannibalCowboy51]

It's understandable. Tool was my very first thought when I first played it.

[@SirDoomShotgun]

Phones are killing attention spans. I thought it was quite an interesting read. Suit yourself. Hope that wasn't too long for you. ​@@Average_Internet_DMC_420

[@piosammut519]

yeaaaaaah dude I love your mentality the beauty of music and any art is the influence it transfers to others, they just wanted that "vibe" of music and got influenced by someone who's done it perfectly already.

[@giblet1618]

The DOOM video games have always had a rich history of redoing famous metal songs.

[@thomascarmichael6659]

*ripping off*

[@baseball3439]

@@thomascarmichael6659ew

[@mwezi4193]

​@@thomascarmichael6659Jesus Christ you need to grow a pair of balls

[@stealthbeatle4945]

@@thomascarmichael6659 No, not really ripping off, it’s just referencing to the metal songs (basically saying, you guys did this best, this is a homage to you)

[@deadaccount03791]

@@baseball3439trew

[@diamonddog7148]

Dooms been doing this since the 1st game referencing metal music. I honestly like this and am all for that

[@noises4978]

everyone knows that

[@deelowe3]

Lateralis came out after doom3 didn't it?

[@diamonddog7148]

@@deelowe3 no Lateralus was 2001 doom 3 was 2004

[@frankgrimes7388]

Imagine thinking Tool is metal. Lol.

[@elperros3]

first doom song is literally master of puppets

[@manwithtwoeyes6911]

The Lateralus one is damn near identical

[@DarkSoulsZHL]

It really is!

[@Opiates0]

That's where they got it from

[@peaScooter]

​@@Opiates0 This might even be an early version! I think Adam Jones was in Film /Effects for some time... 🤔

[@GeorgeTropicana]

Yeah some of these feel like a stretch but that one's almost dead on

[@Biggreenhat7]

Well if you play instruments (shocking right?) you will understand that Tool and specifically lateralus are some of the most basic easy notes to hit. Its the same open note, dunununun, dunununun, dunununun… very very simple and possible to accidentally re create

[@Iisdamoose016]

That’s how id made all of the doom music for doom-doom 3 so I don’t doubt it

[@marcosolano6612]

Just for Doom and Doom 2, Bobby Prince took famous rock songs of the 80s and 90s to make the sound tracks by making MIDI versions of those songs but he doesn't deny it though, that was the intention from start, to make you feel the 90s vibe. For Doom 3 it's a whole different situation.

[@TheDurka]

Yeah, but Tweaker made the Doom 3 theme.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

46&2 is actually the plot of the Doom Movie too. its about our 46 chromosomes and the extra 2 inactive ones theorized that we have that are keeping us from reaching our full potential.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@David Keithson 1 like back :D

[@eldiegosinesi7908]

NO PUEDE SER ES VERDAD

[@mychannel-gg6ig]

AUTISM DEMON POWERS!!!

[@christiangottsacker6932]

Wow that's true. How interesting 😮

[@Blahaj385]

the 46 chromosomes is correct, but i think the 2 is for the 2 genders

[@otisb.driftwood4178]

They flow together like milk and honey.

[@ksp6091]

Which one ? In my opinion the doom3 theme did better than the exemples from TOOL

[@nandukrishnan2002]

​@@ksp6091 Bro tool songs came out first and both sounds prog metal

[@OptometristPrime11235]

@otisb.driftwood4178 "In a place where the beer flows like wine" - Lloyd Christmas

[@pjarmitage8003]

Don't forget that the opening bass riff is straight from Hey Man Nice Shot by Filter

[@ZeyTheDaemon]

They're in the same tuning, too

[@HotPutridVomit]

I remember when my dad put doom 3 on for the first time. He said hey thats tool! I went on thinking tool did the theme for doom 3 for years.

[@alternativewalls4988]

doom 3 is really underrated

[@bovice5072]

It still holds up to this day. The atmosphere is incredible.

[@ABCDEFGthatisnotGaming]

Someone must make the main theme but in TOOL style.

[@MrJayferg91]

Tool already did that.

[@deepwashington499]

It's called the Doom 3 theme @ABCDEFGthatisnotGaming

[@Loafusbreadmyre]

With the transition they made to focusing harder on horror, it makes sense that they'd take more inspiration from things like Tool than Metallica. Real interesting comparison.

[@thomascarmichael6659]

Tbh I think a lot of this strays a lot closer to plagiarism than inspiration

[@albertwesker6153]

@@thomascarmichael6659 i doesn’t really matter the OG games plagiarised Metallica and bunch of other bands

[@thomascarmichael6659]

@@albertwesker6153 in what sense does that make it not matter? It is also bad that they plagiarised Metallica and the other bands

[@octagonseventynine1253]

Why, are tool spookier than Metallica? Both sound really tame to me compared to like early Electric Wizard for example

[@mikegiamalva321]

​@@octagonseventynine1253 Tool is more atmospheric than Metallica.

[@marcosolano6612]

It's not like Id Software ripped off Tool's music, they hired Tweaker to make the soundtrack but actually it was supposed to be Trent Reznor so probably the guys at Id asked them to sound similar to NIN or Tool.

[@fnamelname8906]

As good as the soundtrack is, imagine how much better it would’ve been if it were Trent Reznor

[@dopey473]

Tweaker was Chris Vrenna's band who was in NIN

[@PLAYER2--]

didn't NIN make the Quake soundtrack too?

[@marcosolano6612]

@@PLAYER2-- yeah, that's why they already had a relationship with id before Doom3, but for some reason they cancelled the project they had for the soundtrack before it was released.

[@stupidopinion3379]

Tweaker is kickass

[@way2faded]

it always came off to me as a major nod and tribute to Tool, but its very Doom unique in its own way...and its fits perfectly with the Doom 3 story.

[@Dhavroch]

That Doom 3 theme slapped so hard. Downloaded it off Limewire and blasted on repeat. Did think it was by tool at one point though, ngl

[@dannydogdeed5275]

What is this particular theme called?

[@Dhavroch]

@@dannydogdeed5275 just Doom 3 Theme by Tweaker I’m pretty sure

[@dannydogdeed5275]

@@Dhavroch what a banger track

[@kalvynhavenhill3366]

Music is bound to repeat itself, it's about the head space you give someone over "oh they coppier so and so"

[@PatBreen]

Can’t be too mad, this is how I discovered Tool

[@mikesavio66]

I think there might actually be a forth song in there as well. If you go to the 1:06 through 1:25 mark on the main theme, I can kinda hear a bit of Third Eye.

[@soundgarden1123]

You're right !

[@santigabriel333]

I heard Rosetta stoned and laterslus

[@riskrask3310]

@@santigabriel333Rosetta stoned and third eye are so similar

[@Tsureiki]

that makes Doom 3 even cooler. I need to replay it.

[@KaptainKommissar]

I love this game's theme

[@1Krispyboi]

Same

[@Wendigo115yt]

Doom 3's soundtrack incorporates the fibonacci sequence

[@CarlWheezer69]

I can see why they would take from tool a lil bc the game was creepy like tool music videos

[@middasqweed6331]

honestly it also bears a resemblance to my own summer by Deftones, especially in the pattern that it jumps around in

[@michalkuban9888]

Oh, so that's why I liked D3 soundtrack too. I knew about some inspirations in first two games, but it's bonkers that I've never realized this.

[@HybridGib]

The Doom 3 one sounds like 46 and 2 and also Lateralus, but the original Doom sounds like it was taken from Metallica songs

[@KOTSR]

doom 2 literally used midified heavy metal, alice in chains metallica and a few others i forget off the top of my head. Search for doom2 vs alice in chains for anyone else seeing this year old comment.

[@HybridGib]

@@KOTSR Yeah, it's really not surprising XD

[@iluvtoezzz9180]

Pantera as well

[@HybridGib]

@@iluvtoezzz9180 Yeah, I think one in particular was sampled from a Pantera song

[@nim4464]

@@HybridGib Mouth For War (Untitled) was taken from, obviously, Mouth For War by Pantera

[@nicolasriveros943]

I feel the bass riff of the intro and the riff from the bridge at 1:05 is alot more similar to "Hey Man, Nice Shot!" by Filter too Which is funny conisdering Doomguy's proffesion haha

[@Kris-ws]

When i first heard lateralus i was like "damn that sounds like doom 3"

[@AndroidFerret]

Doom 3 music is the best. I still listen to that OST regularly

[@Dinnerboneearthmover]

As someone who actually likes DooM 3 and TOOL I fuckin’ love this dawg

[@turdferguson974]

Fck reminded me of how much I love that Lateralus Riff

[@sweetgherkinz]

Dang maybe I should look into TOOL! I absolutely love the Doom games and their soundtracks and 3 was such a good game

[@GladEnthusiast]

The parabola comparison is similar to the start of Sober as well with the wailing guitar intro before he begins singing

[@Minnevan]

They do bear a slight resemblance, but people who actually think Doom 3 ripped off Tool are high

[@chez5262]

Yes we are

[@edorasmarauder5761]

100% because I can hear the differences.

[@REV-1]

@@edorasmarauder5761 lol doesn’t matter if u can hear the difference. He sampled and remixed it...fool

[@REV-1]

I mean tool

[@Ahab2710]

Doom "ripped off" metal songs since the first game, it's not a bad thing at all to be clear, but it's quite obivious

[@k13productions71]

Wonderful video comparing the similarities to the DOOM 3 theme and TOOL's songs, you seem to have picked up on more than I originally did on the 3 songs involved, I only heard Lateralus in it so kudos

[@Axel_Xirics_Music]

Doom 3 was pretty much looking like one of Adam Jones' music videos in terms of design philosophy, so it's only appropriate that its soundtrack had Tool-esque vibes

[@darienlux4735]

This is awesome!

[@mattsmith3806]

Now that is quite epic bradux

[@J-RAD_notAnNpc]

46&2 and schism will forever be two of the best tool songs imo

[@DeathLore]

Doom 3’s ost was originally going to be more atmospheric since Trent Reznor was working on the project for a bit before he left.

[@aminal-jamal6220]

So serendipitous to see this as I was just ranting about this to a friend the other day! I was gonna also mention the refrain and Third Eye but it seems you’ve beat me in your description

[@Flinch9000]

0:15 at 1.2x speed sounds like the riff in Doom 3's theme just before the guitar drops.

[@stephenmcshane4746]

So that's why I liked the doom 3 theme over more recent ones. Makes sense now.

[@-.MICHAEL.-]

You'll like Filter - "Hey man, nice shot" song

[@CannibalCowboy51]

I remember picking up Doom 3 back in 2004. I went home and installed it. I got to the title screen and was like, WTF? Did Tool do the soundtrack? It made sense since they had bands outside of ID create music for them in the past (Nine inch Nails, Sonic Mayhem, Front Line Assembly). 🤷‍♂

[@12_oz._man]

This video is what introduced me to TOOL

[@errorfound8377]

There's also around 1:10 in to the song, Third Eye, the "Prying open my third eye" part in the song

[@solenkeks]

The first one always reminds me of Home by Dream Theatre

[@phadedfantom5790]

That was a smooth transition from doom to tool.

[@jettsnake1979]

If I was composing a soundtrack for a first-person shooter I’d heavily pay homage all my favorite metal tracks too. It’s a soundtrack, appropriate vibes are more important than innovative licks and choruses

[@freybanman8372]

The Doom 3 theme was composed and performed by Chris Vrenna. Formerly of Nine Inch Nails. All great music we listen to is directly inspired by one idea we heard before or another. Saying this is a rip off feels like saying Mick Gordon directly ripped off Meshuggah and NIN. Ideas are being built off each other all the time.

[@DoomKid]

Well stated.

[@aaronamour6101]

Doom3 by Tweaker still is one of the greatest pieces of music that were made for a video game ever though. It's basically taking parts of Tool, making theme sound more metal and then giving them Doom vibes.

[@SteeleMusic574]

The amount of times I’ve thought this to myself is crazy. There’s one more though and it’s -Vestiges- by -Pelican-

[@bksniperguy]

Sounds super dope and super similar in some ways ngl, it definitely has that Tool vibe. Unless Tweaker are secretly time-travelers I don't think they drew inspiration from this lol

[@SteeleMusic574]

Very true!

[@Dagoroth55]

I am now convinced that the Doom 3 theme is just a bunch of Tool riffs masterfully put together.

[@DarkSoulsZHL]

OMG I thought I was the only one who saw a resemblence here! 😭😂 Damn. Now we need a mashup lmao.

[@ozguryilmarx]

They are both great

[@flesruoYkcuFoGuoY]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who ever thought the Doom 3 theme sounded like a Tool track!! Fuckin love the Doom 3 theme.

[@TheLolthazun]

Good find.

[@blueponyoverlord8133]

The music want made by id tech. It was made by Tweeker, an actual artist

[@d3vitron779]

As a bass player, I can confirm; all of these are super fun to play

[@metallusmelandril7380]

Mic Groadn knows whats good bro!

[@Zgf72]

Such a great game, and such a great band.

[@bobsiddoway]

Doom devs r metalheads. F yes. 🤘🔥🙏🙏🙌🤘🔥

[@1987nightrap]

Tool is more spiritual, doom is more 'eavy

[@electricsuitbatman]

Mick Gordon NAILED IT with BFG division 2016

[@Juliosguitarstuffs]

Loved the Tool influences!

[@Jack-ot1zq]

Tbf I always added this into my tool mixes on limewire

[@Voidward]

It wasn't id, Chris Vrenna wrote the intro song for Doom 3. He's ex-drummer for nin / marilyn manson and was a producer, remixer, or engineer for a million rock, metal and techno bands.

[@HeavyRaiden]

The Tool influence is great

[@cheechunlimited]

Oh yeah it's definitely a Tool influence With the time signatures, the drumming, and the tone

[@davidmathes6730]

Kick ass!!!

[@MakoSucks]

Always thought It was just my dumb brain hearing tool at the main menu

[@markw.loughton6786]

To be fair, every DOOM soundtrack riffs on metal songs, and you know, I think most of the bands wouldn't be bothered. Music is homogeneous.

[@user-jw1qp7ju1c]

Hey I didn't know tool was actually good until now. Thanks for broadening my horizons I will proceed to check them out tomorrow, March 2nd 2024.

[@mrtoast244]

Doom 3 was a great game but I think people wanted what Doom 4 and Eternal were too much to appreciate it. The scares were a bit cheap sometimes but I had a lot of fun playing through it.

[@supermegabenji1026]

Just like DOOM 1, It feels like the people behind the Music wants Inspiration, So they Parody the Music to not get Sued. If you listen to Comparisons of the DOOM music and the Real ones. You can see where they got Inspired from. Plus, the guy who made the Original DOOM 1 Music used to be a Lawyer. So he knows about Copyright so He can Change the song to a bit more like Horror and Kick Ass.

[@ANIpJs]

Bobby Prince is smiling at this.

[@bobsidian]

In conclusion: you musta been high making this video.

[@Ass_Raiders_OG]

They used all kind of metal and turned into a 8bit badass soundtrack

[@szalame631]

Okay, but to be real here, I have written a pretty similar riff to both Lateralus and tweaker without ever hearing either.

[@roddydykes7053]

I like the Doom 3 riffs better, way more distortion

[@brutaldeathmetalarchives1521]

Dool or Toom?

[@bksniperguy]

Doomsgustipated

[@victorradial1179]

Flush it all away

[@alin_943]

You can see the inspiration but the riffs and tones are different.

[@RaptorShadow]

The weird part is just how unlike the rest of Tweaker's output this track is. On the other hand it led me to 2 AM Wakeup Call and it's one of my favourite albums ever.

[@williamsmith666]

Man. Its like 2008 KZbin all over again...

[@bksniperguy]

It's probably my lack of editing skills lol

[@SlyHikari03]

Fr

[@blueshit199]

46&2 actually sounds like at dooms gate or e1m1 or however its called

[@benny21076]

So that’s why I really like the doom 3 song

[@megaman8289]

The first doom song sounds life like the grudge from tool rather than 46 and 2

[@M1551NGN0]

Doom 3 theme is the direct inspiration for Harbinger track in Doom 2016 and also towards the end the theme starts to sound like the "Rip and Tear" chant

[@victor_.]

Also the end of the doom 3 them is almost exactly like the end of third eye

[@ness1278]

Doom 2 had them bones from alice in chains too, unless these are all elaborate ai covers made to seem real ive never played these games lol

[@spreadable284]

Sections in Rip & Tear are almost identical to Slipknot songs, The Blister Exists in particular

[@pyramidhead7780s]

Also reminds me of "Triad"

[@rexmurdock7679]

I thought I was the only one who found similarity

[@nick_sapsford]

I hear some deftones in there too

[@SUNSTOPPERTV]

The first one sounds like Down With The Sickness to me. But the Lateralus one sounds a little close

[@trolizonte1]

I feel like it goes with super gore nest too, Gordon took several samples/techniques of Slipknot songs (even the Rigged sound for some parts).

[@jessesauve848]

I love the super gore nest track and I love slipknot. Tell how you learned this!!

[@sohcwillie]

Danny lohner, it explains everything

[@DoomnDust]

The only thing this told meis that the Doom3 soundtrack goes hard.

[@96thelycan]

i need a timeline to see which albums came before and after doom 3

[@moistier3333]

im glad im not the only one who thought some of doom 3's ost sounded like tool.

[@nicolasbarbosa8270]

Holy fuck doom 3 soundtrack goes hard