Doom Eternal: The Ancient Gods Part 2 - The End Of An Era

[@thefreebooter8816]

"someone trolling" It's Hugo Martin, he said he would double down on the goo

[@thesupremeadmiral]

The man literally said he'd put purple goo in the skyboxes to prevent speedrunners from skipping his levels.

[@silverhand9965]

I don't like the purple good either,but I gotta respect the man for sticking with it

[@agt_pendergast8899]

@@silverhand9965 I think the goo works well as a hazard you can avoid rather than something you're more or less forced to plod through.

[@Ojthemighty]

@@agt_pendergast8899 that wouldve been much better

[@gbguthrie2530]

It wasn't even a joke, he was actually bitter about the speedrunner bypassing everything lmao

[@cy9nvs]

They announced "2 DLC's during the first year included" with the season pass, that period ended 2 days ago. I feel like they had to rush TAG2 to meet that deadline and not get their asses sued. Would explain a lot of things in this DLC.

[@firmak2]

possible, its like they realized that they didnt have as much time as they thaught and had to rush some things.

[@Marcorix2010]

I doubt they had any concern over being sued, developers break their promised windows for content and releases all the time and nothing happens, I suspect they wanted to stick to the one-year window themselves as they seem to be a solid team who want to deliver what they promise even if they were not quite ready.

[@cy9nvs]

@@Marcorix2010 it wasn't just something they said, it was a product they already sold, the deluxe edition. It would've definitely caused legal trouble for them.

[@chaw3214]

These deadlines are too strict considering the Covid restrictions they had to deal with, working from home and other disastrous events that hindered development. Couldn't they have asked for extended deadlines instead of delivering this somewhat underwhelming dlc?

[@that_damn_kiddo]

@@chaw3214 the game released like a week into the pandemic, when nobody thought it was gonna last a whole year. They spent this whole time working from home which likely caused plenty of issues.

[@HELLghostCZ]

They put him to sarcophagus, so that he can survive the travel to the Quake dimension.

[@scootza1]

*so that the Quake dimension could survive him

[@BucklingSwashes]

"Wake me... when you need me."

[@viking6917]

Or the Smash Bros univers

[@thebreadbringer]

It's exactly what I want and was about to say.

[@thebreadbringer]

@nivk g damn. Now I want it too.

[@dblundz]

I believe with how Hugo said that “it’s not the end, there's more stories to tell with the slayer”.. this is just a ending to 2016's arc ( He also mentioned 2016's arc closure specifically in the 1 year birthday vid recently release) . Being entombed used as a time jump (just like doom 64 - doom 2016) There will be a new threat, for his battle is Eternal. It's clear many didn't read the lore that was in 2016 as well. Stated "Remember the Dark Lords names in order". We killed AN kingpin but not THEE kingpin. . Also killing their mascot in a dlc only a small percentage of people would play just sounds ridiculous, TLDR pretty much all logic and facts... and reason point to the doom slayer being just fine and will be in the next entry. EDIT: Hugo on stream was talking about prime evils and who created them/was above them. They are hinted at being the next big baddies. Dark lord wasn’t at the top. They wrote the history books that they were, but they aren't. They were barely hanging on to power. The Mysterious voice from the Main Campaign wasn't the dark lord. It was a being that's above prime evils. As hugo stated " A being from beyond". Before launch they made it clear they want to expand the world of doom. Again, This was simply ending 2016's arc. Side note about the Female slayer I keep seeing everywhere. Hugo just made a simple passing statement about how he thought about it before. And how if they were to do it, she would play differently and have different gear, and be a different person with their own story. Who earns the “slayer title”. But again, Hugo said their focus is on the Doom slayer and they’re focusing on telling more stories with him.

[@aaroncabrera8949]

This was my thought exactly. I mean the fucking guy has the game's title in his name. He ain't going anywhere.

[@dblundz]

@@aaroncabrera8949 Yea, He's been in every doom game besides Doom 3 I think ( D3 was just some marine unless im remembering wrong) As well the reboot has been very successful, Eternal made over 450 million dollars. Would make zero sense to kill the Slayer and make even less sense to kill him in a dlc.

[@joshwhite557]

The only way something new could be a threat is if somehow something absorbed both the father and davoths life sphere but both were destroyed so I'm how you top the creator of everything in terms of power.

[@joshwhite557]

Unless they make the slayer evil somehow but I think that's too easy because he's been shown to be incorruptible.

[@dblundz]

@@joshwhite557 I mean, id clearly has a plan and with their track record i have full faith in what they're going to do next. They couldn't be more clear that it isn't the end. It's literally in the title, and his fight has been going on for decades.

[@ChengTeoh]

Cross your fingers that no one in Hollywood gets the bright idea to resurrect the Slayer in a direct-to-video Doom Annihilation sequel.

[@microtonalmilio5233]

@MUCH_ another quake is coming?

[@Ojthemighty]

Well then i just wont watch it. Just like i didnt watch starwars 8 and 9, solo, manolorian, ghost busters 2016, that oceans film with all women, birds of prey, capt marvel, any dc movie since bats v supes, terminator woke fate. I could go on

[@Yarkoonian]

@@Ojthemighty mandolorian was worth watching, though the other starwars movies are fucking trash

[@advictoriams]

I don't want any more doom movies. EVER

[@Austin-iv2gl]

If they do they will make Doom Guy into a purple haired lesbian.

[@HooplaCakeMace]

As a whole package, Doom Eternal and these two dlcs left me very satisfied, despite what nitpicks I have.

[@firmak2]

well said

[@metalmayfantasy]

The only nitpick I have is that Part 2 wasn't hard as difficult as Part 1.

[@firmak2]

@@metalmayfantasy i liked it, it eased it in, while ceeping more demons at once.

[@seeesasss8579]

@@firmak2 to be frankly some of the battle arena was huge, but there were like barley any demons at all kinda lost potiental there

[@firmak2]

@@seeesasss8579 i disagree there, when you go into the castle arena kill the first wave of demons, if you had a higher vantage point, you yust saw like 20+ imps spawn in simultaniously and just husein bolt towards you. I was like> .... OH SHi--!!

[@gp.5989]

" The day the Doom Slayer came to hell it was the most important day of your life. To him, it was Tuesday."

[@yetanotheruser1989]

"You always hid behind your Imps, or your Mancubi. Why, since you invaded Earth, you've never even fired a single projectile!"

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

WE NEVER GOT INSIDE A MECH !! We got teased for a year and we never got inside one.

[@Ojthemighty]

That one in his satellite base? Yes ive been waiting for that to have a use. Hey maybe in the next doom.

[@someguy9970]

The Slayer doesn’t need a stupid mech.

[@pugg5ter542]

@@someguy9970 true

[@Inojin67]

That's a good thing

[@WW-zt1zs]

@Sarn no one tease the use of it it's just a background drop.

[@brucehc4975]

I like how Slayers new "Argent weapon" is literally just "I like ya cut G" *taco bell bong sound*

[@silverhand9965]

sometimes a bonk stick is just what you need

[@brucehc4975]

@@silverhand9965 it's the definitive version of the Banana Slamma

[@pricefieldx]

Taco bell *ding*

[@glorgusblorgan7836]

Hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrSlaughterrific]

love the hammer. makes the combat loop feel complete

[@Barbaroossa]

I expected to fight the Dark Lord, ended up having to fight Bruce Banner inside the Hulkbuster armor.

[@StyryderX]

Perfect comparison; you don't even get to fight the Hulk.

[@UnsafeBasher]

The dazed sound effect sounds like it’s from a Rachet and clank game.

[@the_reasonable_one5554]

Ah yes Rachel and Clank, the characters we’ve all come to love over the years. I don’t know who’s more iconic... Rachel or clank??

[@aksy1430555]

@@the_reasonable_one5554 They were on a break tho

[@fartloudYT]

its fucking awful.

[@EmilSinclairDM]

Hoping for a Quake reboot with Trent R. AND Sonic Mayhem.

[@pugg5ter542]

Lol

[@badcompany6146]

OMG,yes!

[@elijahmaxwell1059]

Just Yes

[@sunburst8810]

They killed any chance of a quake reboot by turning doom in to Quake. What are they even going to do? Make the next quake actually faithful to doom and nothing like quake?

[@lachousalle31]

I think they're going to be working on another Doom game. This was the ending to the Slayer saga. They never said it's the ending to Doomguy all together, and I dont think he's dead. I think his powers from the divinity machine were taken and he was put to sleep. This way id Software can wake him up whenever they make the next game.

[@doomguy2337]

Don't think it's the end for Doom but time for a new ip or revival of Quake

[@Hubbleshubbles]

I just hope it's actually Quake and not dumbed down for consoles. If it doesn't have proper strafe jumping, it's dead right away.

[@wargreysama]

@@Hubbleshubbles Proper Rocket Jump as well.

[@CynicalAnomaly205]

Fuck yeah! We need another single player Quake game.

[@supremegoat24]

yes i want that too just PLEASE make it like Quake 1 and NOT 2!

[@NirnBootMod]

Quake V Arena or Quake 1 style with multiplayer.... must be on idTech engine for both. I won't hold my breath.

[@HairyHog77]

No argument about it, we NEED a Quake 1 reboot next. And get Trent Reznor back too.

[@GhostLink92]

I'd rather see an new Unreal Tournament.

[@HairyHog77]

@@GhostLink92 epic are too busy milking Fortnite, plus that's multiplayer, I want a single player Quake

[@oliver24x]

@@GhostLink92 Unreal Tournament has nothing on Quake. And we don't need more multiplayer BS that ends up with 800 daily players.

[@Red-px1fr]

@@GhostLink92 That's not in id Software's hands though and sadly Epic's devs are too busy these days making dumb virtual costumes to get impressionable kids to part with their parents' money.

[@badcompany6146]

@@GhostLink92 What about both?

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

HOW could they make the DARK LORD a stupid mech suit instead of giving him a FLAMING PRAETOR SUIT???

[@Jack-yo2bc]

Doom guy already has 1 of those lol

[@supernova00500]

I expected him to shrug off that armor and take on the former of some hulking/rotting goat demon/ Cthulhu Monster and proclaim it was his true form.

[@RuiNunesDev]

I think the beetle samurai hat of the Dark Lord just damn stupid

[@braydeno4189]

@@supernova00500 Yeah so basically the shit everyone wanted and expected. At this point I'm certain Hugo has just started making game design choices in order to be a contrarian and nothing more.

[@TheGuardingDark_]

I liked the ending. He accomplishes the things he’s spent Eons working towards. And takes a long overdue and well deserved rest.

[@davorbrijacak]

He's dreaming all kinds of WADs, mods and maps.

[@Cnoble59]

I actually liked the Stone Imps as they gave me a reason to switch the alternate firing mode for the shotgun, instead of constantly relying on the grenade launcher attachment.

[@Azuris190]

Yeah, i also was never using it...

[@Crowbar]

so the full auto mod is so bad the devs need to force you to use it, alrighty

[@Azuris190]

@@Crowbar Well, it is not bad, but the Granade Mod is good for the Cacos and to Destroy the Cannon of the Spiders etc. The Machine Gun and Chaingun are a there and can be used in similiar Situations the Automod would be useful. So there was no need to actual use it.

[@alfiehicks1]

It's a poor solution to a problem that is too ingrained to fix neatly. Honestly, I feel like the full-auto mod is completely useless, and should have been eschewed just like the pistol. Get rid of the combat shotgun entirely, and give the sticky bomb modification to the super shotgun, making you have to swap between meathook and sticky bomb. Since both abilities are super useful, it would provide a way to get the player used to mod swapping, and would also help lessen the over-reliance on the meathook, which can easily get you killed if you use it without discretion.

[@saintkupo7164]

You don't just put Daisy into every level of the base game only to go *shrug* about it.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Daisy is in the DLC too

[@_C.J.]

Really? You really want them to take the bunny thing seriously?

[@saintkupo7164]

@@HugoStiglitz88 I figured that out after. Thank you for the reminder though.

[@saintkupo7164]

@@_C.J. They already were making the mech heads (including the final boss) resemble a rabbit.

[@supernova00500]

I remember when I first found Daisy in the Blood Swamps mission and I found her without being told about it, I was "Yooooo, she's here too!"

[@dianabarnett6886]

I don't want him to go back in the box ;_;

[@XG-OFFICIAL-59]

He always comes back. You'll see him again in the Doom 3 Remake

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

@@XG-OFFICIAL-59 Doom Eternal, but the brightness is turned all the way down.

[@frozezone2947]

@@XG-OFFICIAL-59 That's not going to happen

[@dblundz]

Hugo did get his wish with the purple goo lmao

[@underthemayo]

Good review dude.

[@HooplaCakeMace]

So was yours brother, watched these two back to back!

[@hozic9929]

Final fight looks like me playing with bionicles

[@kentuckybruce6816]

You just gave me an idea, time to break out the old Bionicles pieces

[@ericfrancisco6615]

Was kinda hoping the Dark Lord would have hopped out of that suit and just went full ham in a proper Doom guy vs Doom guy fight, and just went full fisticuffs.

[@SIGNOR-G]

*standing here i realized you were just like me try to make history*

[@silentd9078]

@@SIGNOR-G BUT WHO'S TO JUDGE

[@layahrigmaiden1311]

@@silentd9078 The right from wrong! When our guard is down, I think we'll both agree...

[@TheAmazingToma2003]

@@layahrigmaiden1311 violence breeds violence

[@Shieftain]

@@TheAmazingToma2003 But in the end, it has to be this way!

[@CripplingMemeAddict]

That new dizzy sound effect got my thoughts on Commander Keen

[@wesleyb589]

The ending of ancient Gods part 2 makes me think of the Halo 3 ending. Chief goes into the cryo tube and tells Cortana “wake me when you need me” One day we’ll need the slayer again......

[@deaddymanny7309]

Id Software: You ready folks? Part two's coming out! Me: Oh god dammit let me finish the marauder fight in a crowded forest first.

[@MrDrake-ps2yi]

"Doom fans are not like disney fans. If Doom fans don't like what you're doing, they'll burn your house down." - Mick Gordon

[@user-tm3fz7qx3s]

"Breaking news: a game developer's mansion mysteriously burned down earlier today."

[@sunburst8810]

Lol oh please. Doom fans constantly try to hype a relatively generic fps in to an MCU level cinematic universe they absolutely are like Disney fans

[@moody1320]

@@sunburst8810 "generic fps"

[@GameJunkyard11]

@@sunburst8810 it's fine to not like the game, but calling it generic is flat out wrong.

[@gutsonthemic5261]

The second half definitely do feel rush. They should have gave this dlc a couple of more months before releasing it.

[@ollytherevenant1653]

Unfortunately they couldn’t due to contractual obligations with the season pass. No one would have minded if they gave it more time to develop but it’s not like they had a choice which is unfortunate.

[@gutsonthemic5261]

@@ollytherevenant1653 welp,thats a shame.

[@tlfearofthedarkhun387]

Explains..They got the most out of it in this case.

[@mattschemmer3091]

@@ollytherevenant1653 Yeah, I'm really surprised they targeted a year for 6 new levels, multiple new enemies (even considering reskins), new environments, multiple bosses, new music, a new weapon, all within a year. It's incredibly impressive what they managed to put out, especially with COVID, but man. DLC 2 could've been so much better with another 3 months. And yeah I get that it was a "year one pass" but it's not like there's any new DLC coming out. Why not just call it "All DLC" pass or something? Or two year pass if they were worried about a far-future add-on not requiring a purchase. Oh well, still loved it.

[@ollytherevenant1653]

@@mattschemmer3091 agreed

[@salamand3r-]

You are correct - the troopers are in Doom (2016) MP costumes. As are the sentinels and other troops shown in the final battle and cutscenes, and they are mostly wielding D16 MP-exclusive weapons (Reaper, LG). Even the delayed gibbing animation that the troopers go through is ripped right from D16's multiplayer. It's just a theory, but it looks like they've wholesale ported most of D16's multiplayer assets at this point (basically all the costumes and weapons appear between cutscenes and the battle sequence) - combined with the fact that we're still hearing about more "unannounced" multiplayer modes, it feels like they may be porting over D16's multiplayer component. And since, despite critics hating it, D16 MP has a playerbase - larger than Eternal's Battlemode playerbase, and nearly on par with Quake Champions - even after 5 years and a massive hit to player adoption thanks to the largely half-baked critical reviews, it seems that might not be a bad thing. If they can pull over the entire D16 multiplayer playerbase, on top of the Eternal playerbase, and some minor marketing to bring in new players, you'll have id's most populated multiplayer game in almost 20 years.

[@solutionless123]

If I'm going to go back and play a Doom game in a year or in ten years or twenty, it's gonna be Doom 2016.

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

tbh i enjoyed DOOM eternal ALOT more than DOOM 2016. DOOM 2016 felt too similar to most FPS released today, and was quite slow paced. DOOM eternal is so much faster paced and feels so different to typical FPS games

[@lonearachnid6591]

doom 2016 is nothing like a normal fps shooter wtf

[@wangtony2485]

Maybe the ending should've been the Doom Guy kinda "walks into the sunset" where he continues wander through space and time, perhaps searching for new enemies to kill, or new meanings to his life, while the survivors of Earth and other planes would erect statues of him to memorize his brutal prowess.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

I think Hugo Martin unintentionally gave us a reason why DOOM probably works better with a vague story then one that attempts to explain everything. Or in this case, almost everything.

[@PBart7]

I honestly hated the final twist prior to the ending. Sure Doom's story "doesn't matter" but it *does.* They established this interesting universe, but that final twist threw out the lore in every direction. It Literally made all the Codex entries even in TAG1 pointless, which especially sucks because the lore expanded on in part 1 was REALLY good. So *SO* many plotholes opened up just due to that one massive, continuity shattering twist.

[@evercastillo6451]

Yup, it's fine if people don't care about lore, but I find it weird that they think it doesn't matter. It helps a lot with the ambience and enriches dialogue and motivations.

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

I think the dark lord being god is a good twist, its kinda that thing that tells you that everyone in this universe fucking blows, the slayer is like the only being that is actually trying to help fight for others even the father who was thought to be god is a peice of shit

[@denizhartmann6796]

Naaaah mate, from a storytelling perspective, it was such an incredible good move to have that twist. Because as you might realise, the codex from 2016 til tag 1 does not fully make sense, only if you consider everything a lie because the truth is, that the dark lord himself is the creator

[@mihirlavande]

Imagine if Doomguy is stuck in an endless loop of getting pissed, killing demons and being put back to sleep, waking up in an alternate universe everytime where Earth is being invaded again.

[@Cri_Jackal]

Except demons can't invade other universes anymore, there's no way for there to be a game taking place after this one that involves demons. They've locked themselves into doing prequels, it's either that or retconning in a way for demons to invade other worlds again despite it being stated that they can't without Davoth alive.

[@boyantsanov2334]

@firstname mclast it's not how alternate universes work in general, but it is how they made the connection with the original doom games. The idea is, that hell is a dimension, that connects to all universes. So after the ending of doom 64, the Slayer (Doom guy back then) went into hell, to make sure the demons never invade or threaten Earth again. He spends an unspecified amount of time there and ends up on the world of the Night Sentinels in this new universe, where there are no demons and the Earth hasn't been invaded yet. The reason this was possible, was because the Dark Lord was still "alive". With him dead, hellspawn can't invade other dimensions anymore. Personally I think it's stupid and felt like Doom 2016 was a nice reboot with a new story and I laughed at the fan theories about the Slayer being the Doom guy and how they were grasping at straws, to make their ridiculous fan fiction make sense, but then they went and made it cannon...with a bunch of inconsistencies between Eternal and 2016.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

@@Cri_Jackal EVer heard of a little thing called "retcon"? There's always a way to find a loophole and make more sequels ;)

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

@@boyantsanov2334 honestly the way they pulled off the slayer reveal was good, I mean the story makes complete sense, last we knew he was in hell at the end of 64 which lines up with the slayer being trapped in hell aswell till he was found by the sentinels

[@boyantsanov2334]

@@cookiesnugglez7318 so what happened to earth from the original doom games? Is it a different dimension, or did doomguy time-travel? How long was he trapped in hell, before he ended up with the night sentinels? How did he survive there (food and water-wise)? Is there only one Hell for all the multiverse, that is connected to everything? And how many Earths are there? There are just a bunch of questions, that pop up together with a bunch of plot holes and inconcistensies with 2016. Not IN 2016, but WITH 2016 in light of the new information we have about the Slayer, Hayden and Vega. And with both the DLCs they just made it more convoluted - apparently the Doom Slayer is a primeval now. Do all primevals look the same? Why does Davoth look exactly like him? Is there one primeval per dimension? It's fine if you like it, but it just feels like they keep pulling tropes out of a magic hat, to make the story more engaging and to connect it with the originals, without considering how wonky it's become. "Night sentinel betrays his people, because the dark lords of hell promissed him, they'd bring his dead son back to life. They instead use his son's soul, to create the Icon of Sin, so papa get's his shottie for some revenge." That feels like a much better story (with a redemption arc too), than what the current mess is.

[@foxus-a113]

That new hammer sound effect sounds like Nevan's teleporting sound effect from Dmc3. A nice throwback hahah

[@supernova00500]

Now you're gonna make me play DMC3 again 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrMobista]

I can't wait to see what id does next. I really believe they're one of the most talented FPS devs working today.

[@scaryscarecrow5478]

Hopefully a quake reboot

[@S44BBOI]

I want to see them make a legend of Zelda... Like for real

[@aliencatcrew3336]

Ummmm so you think they are better today then when they first produced the original doom? Id spent 1.2 million dollars in ADDICTION STUDIES and that is why doom eternal looks like a casino machine going crazy. What's with all the bright colors?? Playing a game bc you want to play it vs playing a game bc your addicted to it is two totally different worlds

[@aymuhspunj]

always has been.

[@Cosmic_Cretin]

I agree they are talented but they need to stop with this arena combat shit. Locking the player in a series of linear arenas while waves of monsters spawn in felt dated even in 2016. If they go back and reboot Quake or something I would like to see the more intricate and free flowing level design like the old days.

[@countlazuli8753]

Let me think of a new ending. . . After the defeat of the dark lord, we hear the voices of the father and samur discussing the victory of the slayer and the end of davoth. As this discussion happens, the slayer is cheered by the surviving night sentinels before returning to the UAC battleship where the intern asks the slayer if he won, only for the intern to get a clap on the shoulder as if to say "you did good, kid". The final scene has the slayer return to the ruins of his original earth, where he sits down and finally has time to grieve for his lost home. We finally get the text "And may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again." The end credits show a variety of significant moments from across both games and expansions.

[@mapacortes2117]

I think all the UAC battleship and Intern part is too cheesy , but definitly up with the idea of the Slayer pulling a "Thanos like" ending with him returning to his earth then sits down in some ruins and then he takes his helmet off as the sun rises while the credits roll. This way DoomGuy gets his moment of peace but its still not a 100% happy ending as he will not be able to regain back what he lost .

[@braydeno4189]

Cheesy to the point of cringe and also not what I'd personally call a fitting ending for Doom, but that's already miles better than what we got.

[@xenomorph01]

Anyone else notice how the falter noise kinda sounds like a Commander Keen sound effect?

[@morfius354]

Part 2 balance is perfect I think. Part 1 sometimes felt just unfair: with this tentacle-traps you can's see under water surface, monsters shooting at you from fog, etc.

[@Nix-Man]

Civvie tweeted he has no interest in doing a video for Eternal DLC, because he feels there isn't enough material to do a full vid. Thanks for filling that void Gman!

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

You are correct Gman, the demonic troopers do use a multiplayer skin from Doom 2016. The weapon they use is also a Doom 2016 multiplayer weapon, the Reaper!

[@imalsoTOMATO]

A single player Quake 1 style reboot or Heretic reboot would be amazing

[@Lord_Deimos]

As much as I love Doom Eternal, it does jump the shark too much whereas Doom 2016 was much more reserved. And Davoth looks like Larry from Spongebob in his 40K cosplay

[@lucri988]

Yes. Exactly. It jumped the shark. It just went overboard and saturated everything. There should be a finess to things. More isn't always better

[@boygenius538_8]

@@lucri988 yup it did not at all build up and earn the climax it was trying to create

[@marksayosmejia7251]

The head bonk on the possessed enemies as glory kills already feels like cartoony compared to every single glory kill on doom 2016.

[@MrPerson61]

They'll definitely bring back the slayer from his sarcophagus if their corporate overlords want more money, in the exact same way they did with Chief going into cryosleep in Halo 3. Clearly supposed to be the end but the corporate guys were like "yea but we need money" so and woke him up again just a few years later.

[@juanisaiastzanikian2436]

Trust me, theyll replace him with a female slayer. Save this comment.

[@gluever54]

@@juanisaiastzanikian2436 so...crash from quake 3?

[@juanisaiastzanikian2436]

@@gluever54 Yeah, that very popular character that everybody remembers.

[@gluever54]

@@juanisaiastzanikian2436 eh, old school id fans would recognize her but fair point.

[@juanisaiastzanikian2436]

@@gluever54 Halo fans would recognize Chips Dubbo but that doesnt make him a good replacement for master chief.

[@sandroedilashvili3651]

It was almost like... Subject : Doomslayer Status: Hired Awaiting further instructions.....

[@FlawedbyDesign777]

This should have been a Heretic reboot thematically speaking.

[@TheSDB13]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one bothered by how the evil clone of Doomguy had to use an armored suit to fight you

[@smashtheeggs7571]

I mean, the Vergil stole the Dark Lords power so what else is he gonna do

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

@@smashtheeggs7571 use guns?

[@Aryan-zu8it]

Exactly You're telling me Satan (previously God) who knows the darkest of magic fucking needs a warhammer armour?

[@danielcarver936]

Hoping for a Quake remake, which goes back to the Lovecraftian dark fantasy of Quake 1

[@Fyron2434]

@latex glove Better than the generic alien military bases from Quake 2

[@emin166]

Sequel would be great too.

[@mr.koibito]

I’m hoping they do Heretic! That shit was awesome!

[@aceofhearts573]

I was so pissed when Hellraid was cancelled.

[@davorbrijacak]

@@aceofhearts573 Being a fan of dark fantasy first person games like Hexen and Dark Messiah of Might and Magic I really wanted that game but it seems like they're focusing on Dying Light 2 which is itself delayed indefinitely. I don't think Hellraid was completely cancelled though, officially it's "on hold".

[@AintImpressed]

All good things come to an end. Like good boss fights! In Doom'2016 had all three good ones, Eternal with two DLCs had... One. Semi-good. The Gladiator.

[@friedrice7876]

The bosses in 2016 were literally just bullet sponges

[@AintImpressed]

@@pegasusactua2985 I have to disagree. 2016's bosses were a visual spectacle, they did various and flashy moves (my favourite definitely is Cyberdemon) which in pair with perfect music I think made for memorable boss fights. Even if they were easy, though I myself don't think so. On normal they would be though. On hard at least the twin guardians should be somewhat challenging. And Eternal... It's music is purely worse and the best word for all the bosses except Gladiator I can pick is - irritation. Icon of Sin fight was just straight up anticlimactic trash. And the Gladiator is just a throwback to Cyberdemon imho. But they were more difficult, yes. Thing is it doesn't mean more fun.

[@boygenius538_8]

@@friedrice7876 better than hit scan shields

[@edbeasant9494]

My main gripe with ancient gods dlc is the music is nowhere near the quality of doom (2016) or Doom eternal.

[@BugsyFoga]

Really gotta get to the dlc already.

[@ollytherevenant1653]

DLC1 is intense and heaps of fun. It’s more of eternal but dialed up to 11. DLC2 is pretty good but the story arc feels rushed and the arenas are a bit empty in comparison to part 1 imo

[@mr.nickname9172]

Hi

[@EduFirenze]

the core mechanic of doom eternal, the constant need to switch to guns you don't want to because some enemies FORCE you to use them just kills the game for me, tried so hard to like it, finished once and never went back to it.

[@jdredalert]

You should go back to it again and give it another chance. In the first playthrough, I also had this feeling, that the game was forcing me to use some guns. But the more you play, the more you learn how to make every single weapon useful. Don't want to use Plasma Rifle against the Doom Hunter? No problem, fill the lower part of it's body with lead and missiles. Don't want to snipe spider's/fatso's weapons? Brute force them with grenades, automatic shotgun, bursts of missiles or even sit behind your shield and mow them down with the chaingun. It gets to a point that even the main complaint people had with this game - the low amount of max ammo - can be bypassed and once you get used to the "Doom dance" - ugh, i kinda have mixed to bad feelings with this therm - you'll be replenishing your ammo with chainsaw kills without even notice.

[@GuyOnTheInternet53]

You put out a better cohesive review of this dlc than most die hard doom channels

[@realbr1koo]

I liked Doom 2016 much more because of its artstyle and level design. Doom Eternal really feels like something that doesnt even try to be serious anymore. The way the slayer went through the maps in the cutscenes was pretty fucking badass tho.

[@CoolSs]

that m bison "of course" made my day

[@23Nostromo32]

Now please give Quake I or Hexen that treatment ID!

[@wymanrtaylor]

Ending really was pretty bad, and while D:E may just be my favorite game at this point (even with this disappointing DLC), I gotta say I really don’t like the narrative direction they went after 2016, which was PERFECT in my opinion. I miss the tone and tongue in-cheek narrative of Doom 2016; DoomGuy went from angry Marine killing machine so badass that he became a legend to both humanity and hell - but he was still “just” a man; now he’s legitimately DoomGod who just walks around looking cool and ignoring everybody and who apparently doesn’t even have time to even be angry anymore. DoomGuy in 2016 felt like a real character even WITHOUT extensive cut-scenes as he punched monitors, destroyed lenses while Hayden cried, and beat the hell out of upgrade robots. He was an action-movie hero whose only emotion was anger and only motivation was hatred of demons and revenge. I can relate to that even if it is still inherently ridiculous; even so, I can fantasize about being the badass human marine who rips and tears his way through the demonic hordes who took everything both from him and humanity, and who expresses all we need to know about him via the contempt with which he deals with both demons and idiotic human collaborators. This man has spent 30 real-life years (not sure how long in the lore) doing NOTHING but murdering demons and cleaning up the messes created by idiot humans; the man even moved to hell for a while because only he and his rage know what to do and how to do it, so he took the human problem out of the picture by taking it to the enemy. Now, though, the DoomGuy we know and love - who IMO was perfected in Doom 2016 - is completely gone. He’s no longer a lone human marine forced to take on hell by himself, who was outside the base for the initial invasion because he was being punished for kicking the shit out of his C.O. for ordering his unit to fire on civilians (a facet of his character upon whcih Doom 2016 built perfectly... the elevator ride after the first combat encounter in the game shows that this is the same guy, the guy who sees an innocent die to human arrogance/evil and reacts by cracking his knuckles, shattering the intercom, and cocking his shotgun, ready to again clean-up the mess. Everything one loves and needs to know about DoomGuy is EXPERTLY captured in the first 5 minutes of Doom 2016. No, we are now DoomGod. The narrative tells us we are saving earth, but we are no longer the angry space marine from earth; we’re a demiGod Night Sentinel from Argent D’nur. So we already feel a lack of connection as everything we know about our boy has at best taken the back seat, and this is made worse by tje fact that DoomGod is self-aware of his own legend and invincibility, so he’s not even angry anymore, he knows he is inevitable so he just slowly walks around looking cool while ignoring EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. He is now no longer human to the point he lacks ALL emotions. Ironically, by giving DoomGod a more substantial and ridiculous backstory, they made a sparse but awesome character into MORE of a blank-slate than he was in Doom 1993 because the player cannot fill-in the blanks with his own wish fulfillment. Again, Despite still of course being ridiculous, I can imagine being an angry heroic demon killing marine, and I can relate to someone in that position even though I obviously could never BE that person. But I can’t relate to an alien god who kneels to the king of a foreign civilization I’d never heard of and who demonstrates zero connection to earth or humanity anymore despite allegedly doing everything he does to save both. But, the game itself kicks so much ass that I just rolled with it.

[@billyboleson2830]

This is exactly the problem I have with Doomslayer. I love Eternal but they ruined the Doomguy but basically making him a ridiculous 40k fanfic OC

[@Buraz93]

Best. Comment. Ever. 10000% agreed! 2016 shits all over Eternal. I remember the first time I played Eternal, was super hyped and then you get to the chainsaw for the first time, and it was floating in air... that's like 2 minutes in. Just compare getting the chainsaw in 2016 vs Eternal. And that's only 1 of many issues I have with it.

[@billyboleson2830]

@@Buraz93 If that's the problem you have with Eternal then don't ever play Quake games....

[@Buraz93]

@@billyboleson2830 Quake games from the very start never set up themselves to be "realistic" or "grounded", they were arcade shooters from the very start to the 3 (4 went for more "realistic military shooter" aproach). 2016 and Eternal are different games as far as atmosphere and tone. And other minor things, like the issue I mentioned. If 2016 was from the get go like Eternal, I wouldn't give a damn, but you set your self up as a dark, brutal, atmospheric shooter that is super simple with story/setting and to the point (all of which I loved), then in the next game you introduce these multiple worlds and dimensions shit, you are basically god and you go the arcade route (which I despise). The only thing I can say Eternal is better is the gameplay (dashing, movement and all that stuff), everything else is stupid compared to 2016. I hate the floating weapons shit, I hate all the rainbow colors (it seems like it was designed to be as addictive as possible), I hate the super Mario platforming which has no place to be there in the first place (no logic or reason why the spinning fire shit is floating in the middle of nowhere), I hate the 5 second cutscenes which shows you how the doors are opening or something else happens (why the fuck is that there, it's so stupid and so annoying when you replay the game over and over), I hate the level design and some of the ways you get your weapons (ssg for example, it's so dumb)... I could go on and on, but I'm already writting paragraph of bullshit so yeah.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

Uhh...if you thought The Slayer was "just" a normal dude in 2016, you weren't paying attention.

[@battlecry7851]

If you recall, when Doom Eternal was first unveiled, Marty Stratton did say that they are building a Doom Universe. I think that this game serves as an introduction to unique settings for Doom spin-off games going forward. Since people wanted to pilot the Mechs, they will probably have a prequel where you play as the Betrayer Commander Valen showing the fall of Argent D'Nur, and then, there maybe another where you play as the Seraphim or even the Father during the battle with Devoth. Also, don't forget that there are six arch-demons mentioned in a few codex entries. One of them even has concept art in the artbook which is Erebus. There are three potential spinoff ideas right there.

[@timothynordgren2673]

*whenever Gman uploads a new video* Me: That's awesome. Thank you.

[@ninjarichi]

difficulty levels exist for a reason, people looking for a challenge shouldn't be punished for people who could just switch the difficulty down

[@RacingSnails64]

yes yes absolutely.

[@anantrawat2311]

I feel like they made this DLC easier because they wanted everyone to complete doomslayer's saga, it was a perfect ending for doomslayer, just like hell makes you repeat your sins again and again till eternity, he is put into stasis until he will be needed to rip and tear again, for etenity

[@darthcinema4262]

They did it because they wanted to please the casuals and allow more people to complete the game. Big mistake

[@iowa9113]

What a great conclusion to one of the best FPS's I've ever played.

[@DoctahToboggan69]

honestly the ending didn't really piss me off or anything, I quite liked it. I just didn't care for the execution... the Slayer just passes out suddenly? Maybe it's a consequence of him killing Davoth? Did the Father do that to him? If we saw how he was placed in the sarcophagus or if we at least got an animation of him losing his powers or something, that would be cool. The ending makes sense though. The Slayer has one purpose, saving humanity. If the threat isn't there, he isn't needed. He rises when he is needed. There will certainly be a sequel.

[@grant5758]

I actually sorta liked the purple sludge part. More for the fact that they managed to make fodder zombies an actual threat. The novelty of that took away my frustration with the goo

[@warbossbenny6877]

You are probably the only "Doomtuber" who's an opinion I respect. Not too critical, not too forgiving. The perfect balance of a true gamer

[@rs6000_]

Even after that Sigil review?

[@ThatMans-anAnimal]

I agree but please work on your grammar.

[@warbossbenny6877]

@@ThatMans-anAnimal what you mean?

[@ThatMans-anAnimal]

@@warbossbenny6877 there you go bro

[@haelkerzael7589]

I don't know who in the dev team decided it would be a good idea to put super mario sounds when you stun enemies

[@darthcinema4262]

I agree. That sound effect has to go.

[@Laxhoop]

I think a Quake reboot would be best now. Quake Champions gave Ranger a voice, and had him basically say that he’s been trapped since the ending of Quake 1. A reboot where they pick up where Quake 1 left off, while confirming it to be the same universe as DOOM, would be a great chance to fill in any gaps fans are really confused about, as well as expand on the lore of both series. We just found out that there are hundreds of elemental wraiths in the world spear, three of which were the driving force of DOOM 2016’s story. And the wraith’s are pretty livecraftian, since we don’t actually know who created them. It can be assumed the dark lord created them, but that’s not confirmed anywhere, from what I could see. So yeah, new Quake game, it would be a good way to do a lot of cool things at once.

[@haelkerzael7589]

I hope they arent done since lore wise if you will tell me samuel sent us to hell at the end of 2016 only for us to appear near earth in eternal with a huge ass citadel without explaining shit

[@unnf9971]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@keyboard_g]

Time for 4K uploads. KZbin compression is murdering this video capture.

[@TheGaluMoD]

The demonic troopers die if you use the grapple hook on them without you even having to fire a shot, so I always just saw them as free ammo (which they always drop) and armor drops. But it is weird how the final fodder enemy that's being introduced in the very last level is easier to deal with than any previous ones up to that point.

[@StoicFox476]

Didn’t the developers say something about adding more purple stuff in as a joke in the ign developers react? I guess they actually did it as a troll to speed runners

[@Ender-im5ez]

I'm waiting for that infinite cutscene when out of bounds

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

@latex glove wow so edgy

[@anatolyFct]

Ending should’ve been Slayer plopping his ass on the Hell Throne a la Chronicles of Riddick

[@Dcode117]

No I 100% agree with you in the ending because theh added story I love the character and story so giving us nothing for him made me sad and he does deserve some happiness for all his years of suffering

[@JoshuaJacobs83]

The fact you haven't done ultra nightmare gives me hope Of course with my schedule, I'm on easy...

[@rando3939]

I think the sarcophagus was its “to be continued” thing. He was awoken from it in 2016, he’ll probably be awoken from it again for the next game. Whenever the demons return

[@darthcinema4262]

I really hope so, cause if Part 2 is the finale, then a lot of us fans are gonna be pissed. I'll probably never play either DLC again and just pretend that they never happened (not that I hate part 1, but it's part of a 2 part story).

[@chopper3797]

Not gonna lie, when I got to the ending of Part two I really didn't know what to think of the ending. I guess the best way to describe it is that Part two's ending is bitter sweet. DOOM is a franchise near and dear to my heart. I've been on a journey with this series ever since the very first game since I was 3 years old (im 23 now). To see the way the game ended honestly brought a tear to my eye while simultaneously giving a respectful yet happy nod towards all the good times I had over the years. DOOM is one of the most epic tellings of an adventure while barely telling you anything about the story. And it was an adventure I am happy and still happy to partake even after the ending of Part 2. DOOM will forever be Eternal.

[@genuine_legend]

Completed this over the weekend just gone, fitting end.

[@ethandeira1514]

Gmanlives and dankpods are quickly becoming my 2 favorite aussie content creators

[@SausageFingers420]

I like how dank just kinda came out of nowhere and blew up. It's pretty much the same video over and over, but he's really charismatic so it works.

[@tsnhd]

it feels like Eternal Campaign and TAG1 was made by the original team and then just let some random guys finish TAG2

[@ryanstokes5732]

Gman you did a great job covering this game from the beginning until now

[@Cri_Jackal]

Here's my idea for how the new lore and ending should have gone, do be warned that this will be very long winded: First off, the new codex entries that reveal Davoth as the creator of all things, and The Father & The Makyrs as his creations that betrayed him are rewritten. In this new version, The Father is indeed God, with Jekkad and Davoth being his first creations, and similarly to the current lore, the Makyrs were a race of computer minds created by Davoth to help him find the secret of immortality for the people of Jekkad, but in my version The Father was initially on board with this and aided Davoth by acting as the core of the Makyr system, however, when the desired knowledge was uncovered by The Makyrs and The Father, they decided it was too dangerous to give to Davoth, leading to conflict and an eventual war that ended with Davoth being sealed away as was explained in the TAG1 codexes. Now, one of the TAG2 codexes explains that a piece of Davoth is what powers the Divinity Machine, the Makyr construct that gave the Slayer his power, in my interpretation based on everything known about the machine, it was something Davoth manipulated the Khan Maykr into creating so that The Slayer would eventually come into being and destroy them. The Makyrs used it to see into the future, aiding in planning out long time scale projects like The Sentinels, but in reality these visions were illusions made by Davoth in order to further manipulate The Makyrs, which he was able to do because as stated before, the Divinity Machine is powered by a piece of himself, which he can still assert his will through. Now, when Davoth influenced Samur Makyr into bringing Doomguy to the Divinity Machine, the lore pages state that Samur reversed the polarity to give The Slayer his power, as previous attempts to imbue mortals such as The Sentinels with power via the machine resulted in death, simply put, this is just fucking stupid, instead, I say the machine worked on Doomguy because Davoth willed it to, intentionally giving The Slayer his own power so that he would essentially act as an avatar for his vengeance, he would also willingly give his power to the Marauders so that they could act as a contingency against The Slayer and as a mighty addition to Hell's army. Another detail I want to add is that the reason why Davoth had The Slayer sealed away was so that he could be released upon The Maykrs only after Davoth had taken what he wanted from them, the secret of immortality for mortal beings, information that was only kept by The Father and the Kahn Makyr, any other Makyr that had held this knowledge when it was first discovered either had it die with them or had it erased from their minds by The Father. So reason why the Dark Lord yelled "NOOOOO!" when the Khan Makyr died is because she died before he could manipulate her into revealing the secret of immortality, as Davoth never intended for Samuel Hayden to find The Slayer and free him earlier than anticipated, this led to his plans being accelerated, invading Earth early as a way of delaying The Slayer from getting to the Khan so that Davoth could have a chance at trying to wring the knowledge from her mind before it was too late, as there's no way he could ever convince The Father to share it with him. Now, with all this new lore in place, let's get to my version of the ending. When The Slayer enters the final arena with Davoth, every last Marauder that's still alive is seen circling the arena from above, initially giving the impression that you'll have to fight countless Marauders at once, an assumption that the Marauders themselves assume to be the reason Davoth brought them there, but then Davoth explains how his essence has been shared with both them and The Slayer, as two of his Demonic Troopers come to each side of him, one is carrying his original demonic Crucible, and the other has the fragment of Davoth from the Divinity Machine, they had retrieved these artifacts off screen at their master's command. Davoth finishes monologuing as he takes both items and uses them together to absorb his essence from all the Marauders in the room, explaining he will need to be at full strength before he can take over existence. The piece of Davoth's essence within The Slayer remains, though, The Slayer having held onto it through sheer force of will, Davoth scoffs at this, and states that he will just have to reclaim it by force, starting the boss fight. Now, the Dark Lord just being a suped up Marauder was kind of lame, especially since that theoretically, if he never used his vulnerable attack, he would be literally invincible, so in my version I imagine that in taking back his essence, Davoth had inadvertently absorbed the souls of the Marauders, who then aid The Slayer by forcing Davoth to perform his vulnerable attack, appearing as green ghosts that cover Davoth and pull on his body, with one even pulling open the helmet on his suit. After the first three health bars, Davoth realizes and explains out loud that isn't able to use the majority of his strength until he has ALL of his essence, rather than it simply being cumulative. After all five initial health bars are gone, phase 2 begins with Davoth casting aside his armor and burning away the spirits of the Marauders using his rage and power, growing a pair of horns, manifesting 6 red hell energy wings, and having all of his tattoos glow red with power (and losing all his hair), in this phase he'll use his new wings to fly but will still go to the ground for some attacks, a lot of which are purely energy based and mimic a few of The Slayer's weapons, he'll even throw punches similar to the Blood Punch. He carries his original Crucible too, using it more masterfully than what The Slayer had done with theirs. The only way to damage him in this phase is to wait for him to perform an attack where he menacingly walks towards you to punch you while his crucible distracts you by attacking you autonomously, you'll have to respond in kind with a blood punch, which you can only obtain by using the hammer on him while he performs attacks that involve him charging something, as all the fodder zombies disappear with this phase. After you blood punch him, he'll lose his wings and much of his glow, allowing you to do decent damage to him before he recovers, but he'll still be attacking even while weakened, even his sword is weakened by reverting to being a sort of dagger like it was used in Doom 2016. Do keep in mind that you don't NEED to weaken him to do damage, it's just that he takes significantly reduced damage unless you do so. Every time you drain one of his new 5 healthbars and glory kill him, it will show him and The Slayer duking it out for a bit while still in first person, breaking away some of of Davoth's skintight armor that he wore under his mechsuit, while also degrading The Slayer's armor at the same time, which the player will be able to notice it they pay attention to The Slayer's arms. Initiating the final glory kill after the last healthbar is drained starts the ending cutscene of the fight, playing out in both both third and first person. The Doomblade on The Slayer's left arm gets blown off by Davoth's punches as they mercilessly beat each other à la God of War 3, beating away at the last bit of each other's armor, wrecking The Slayer's helmet to reveal his face. Eventually The Slayer begins dominating the fight as he channels every bit of rage he has on behalf of everyone and everything the Dark Lord is responsible for destroying, his armor ruined and Davoth on his knees, The Slayer then picks up the broken Doomblade and uses it to kill Davoth the same way as the original version, saying "No." in response to Davoth questioning him as to whether he has anything to say to his creator as he plunges the blade straight into Davoth's heart. (Epilogue in reply, do read it as I think fans will especially enjoy what I've come up with)

[@Cri_Jackal]

With the Dark Lord gone, no demon can set foot outside Hell, but as explain by The Father, there is a new loophole that the demons could take advantage of. The Slayer still has his piece of Davoth's essence, he's essentially replaced Satan as the new devil, and now the demons can follow Doomguy into any universe he steps into, as such, Doomguy can never leave Hell as is would jeopardize any world he decided to go to, but the demons could still trick or force him into one and then prevent him from reentering Hell. The Doom Slayer is now resigned to a fate of eternal damnation, "may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.", this quote now makes far more thematic and literal sense. Also to note is that Davoth could still be resurrected through the piece of him left in The Slayer, so it's not like he could just let himself die either, he's forced to stave off the forces of Hell for the rest of eternity. The following takes place midway through the credits: The Slayer is seen after the final battle with The Father speaking to him, The Father explains that he has decided to give The Slayer a few parting gifts before he decides to go off on a journey of his own, feeling that now that he's helped right the wrongs he made with Davoth, that it's time for him to move on, to perhaps live amongst his creation, it then cuts to Urdak, showing that The Father had awakened the giant Makyr seen in one of the rooms there and set it to destroy the rest of Urdak, The Father sends The Fortess of Doom into hell so The Slayer can enjoy all his keepsakes, The Father then explains that as a transcendent being he had to power to traverse time, and that Urdak still held some of that power, he tells The Slayer that a man spoken of in human history had caught his attention as VEGA, and that he knew exactly who this man was and where he came from as he readies the portals on Urdak to send his consciousness through time to Earth. -hint hint it's Jesus because Jesus literally does not exist as an actual incarnation of God in the current canon for some fucking reason in a game series defined by hell and demons- (Now, before moving on to this final part, one detail to know is that the Slayer was revealed to keep a rabbit's foot on him in Quake Champions, taken from Daisy's body, and you can actually see that The Slayer has been wearing this under his armor around his neck the whole time after it gets destroyed in the final battle.) The Father then states that before he leaves, The Slayer deserves the ultimate reward for all that he has done, as the rabbit's foot around his neck begins to glow with holy light, and Daisy is resurrected. This is the one and only thing that finally makes The Slayer cry as he cherishes her, The Father then explains that he will not need to worry about losing her a second time, as he has bestowed upon her the secret of life eternal for mortal beings that he had discovered and kept from Davoth millennia ago, and that he has made it so that any demon that touches her will burst into ash. Doomguy smiles a genuine smile as he looks towards a horde of demons coming for him over the horizon with Daisy on his shoulder, the music swells with a cheeky metal remix of the music that played in the final scene of DOOM and the credits resume in sync with him cocking his shotgun. Finally, an after credits scene: during the final fistfight with Davoth, his Crucible ended up falling down the cliff he and The Slayer fought on, at the bottom, Samur finds it, having barely recovered from his injuries, he hopes to use its power to save himself. As he grasps it the terrible dark power within takes hold over his Makyr body, corrupting him into a new dark lord of Hell. And with all this, there is now a perfect setup for future games.

[@darthcinema4262]

That sounds crazy, cheesy, and awesome! I would have preferred that story and ending to the one we got in both DLCs

[@doggastiandoggatore6402]

This would've been so much better. I really feel bad for Davoth, TAG2 left him as a washed-up old-school deity clinging to his obsolete power ready to give it all up out of spite towards his creations ("Maykrs bad, I have no friends. Pls kill me") while your ending actually gives him that power-weilding maniac status until his bitter end. Taking back the power from the Slayer is much better motive than simply "let's fight because we're fighters" at least for a character supposedly inspired by Satan. Your never-ending hatred for those who abuse power against THE most corrupt power hoarder in the universe. Hope some mods come out in the future where better lore AND boss-fights can be played.

[@Greviator]

The fact it doesn't end with him raising rabbits is a crime.

[@xNachtmahRx]

Well, Hugo really tries to realize his statement that he wants his daughter to be able to play the game

[@supernova00500]

Plot Twist: His Daughter speedruns Ultra Nightmare and says "Dad, I thought this mode was supposed to be hard" as she crams down another Ultra Monster and takes a bite out of a whole elephant that she cooked with a real life flame belch, and stops lifting a dumbbell with two black holes on the ends 🤣🤣🤣

[@GeorgeMazur29]

I felt the ending was underwhelming but there's a sort of beauty to it. It's a send-off that makes FPS protags larger than life. Gordon Freeman doesn't write a book about his experience at Black Mesa. Master Chief doesn't become honorably discharged. Doomslayer doesn't sit on the sentinel throne. It's that hushed casket treatment that bookends their arcs.

[@FreshDeus]

Now is the time for some Quake/Heretic/Hexen type of game...that would be pretty dope...

[@thedirty_bird]

Strife (1996)

[@polski8bit]

Cursed Prowlers are the same as Spirits from TAG1 in my book. You have to use a specific thing to wipe them out (Blood Punch - Microwave Beam) while focusing exclusively on them. For the rest of the video, I think that TAG1 was hard mostly because of the cramped arenas. I didn't mind the two Barons encounter for example (one of them possesed), because you were fighting them exclusively in a large enough arena. The rest of the DLC felt like the cheap "throw a Tyrant into a tight corridor" (which is one of the encounters btw). If they made the arenas similarly large to TAG2, I think it wouldn't be nearly as annoying to play, while retaining the same enemy placement.

[@MrJohnReviews]

No worries, we still have the Numerous Fan-Made Wads of DOOM, DOOM IS ETERNAL BUDDY, go figure

[@NguyenKien1808]

This is basically Cyberpunk Part 2, they have to rush everything to satisfy their fans before the year one pass ended. That's why everything feel so underwhelming and incomplete

[@Dcode117]

Love your channel after playing inward excited to see what y ok u had to say about this

[@stephenpastran4998]

Couldn’t agree more with that point you bring up with the Conan movie.

[@Dcode117]

My only hope is because samur and the father are still alive so hopefully they fuck up and doomguy us needed again

[@emotionalsupportostrich2480]

Well vega is technically Satan, so I can see them being the big bad.

[@darthcinema4262]

That would kick ass, and hopefully, the next game finishes things up in a much more satisfying way.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

14:58 DOOMGUY - ON YOUR LEFT

[@Real-Yoda]

And then he wakes up, He looks at a tall bulky green figure with the number 117 on his chest "Wake up Slayer" he says as demonic flood hordes scream at the distance and gives him an M90 CAWS Shotgun. The screen reads : Press "H" during gameplay to hotswap between Chief and the Slayer

[@hugostiglitz491]

Definitely not 🤡🤡

[@Genshion]

It does really suck that 1. They just seal doomguy away. It's a crappy ending. And 2. They lock the end to doomguy's story behind dlc

[@doomshill110]

G man, we must campaign for a blood reboot. We have to convince the powers that be

[@emin166]

@latex glove Why are you triggered?

[@AlexTaldren]

Nobody complained about Half-Life 1 and 2's endings...and they were basically the same--Gordon goes "somewhere" for when he's needed again.

[@Gggmanlives]

"Nobody complained about Halflife 1 & 2's endings" Haha, okay then, kid.

[@AlexTaldren]

@@Gggmanlives Well. They are regarded as masterpieces despite using essentially the same story mechanic to keep the protagonist in the reserve and ready for new ideas. I get why people think the Slayer deserves more compared to other modern games but he really is much like you said, a character who originally was nothing more than a vessel for the player. Gordon Freeman was the same thing. It's hard to tell but it seems as if the criticism of DLC 2's ending stems more from people being upset that it's "over" even if temporarily, rather than the way in which it ended.

[@wargreysama]

Imagine next game being... a Quake reboot a la Doom 2016, in the first game's universe. Just imagine...

[@etherpixel5654]

well lets hope they bring 2016s devs back on board solely responsible for its gameplay and story , but if not then id rather have it stay buried dont need another eternal situation

[@WarningBFG-isHiring]

@Etherpixel56 2016 and Eternal have the same devs. They just went on a different direction.

[@etherpixel5654]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring i know ...but it feels like it lols

[@cerberus400]

Better ending idea: The slayer settles on a farm out in the middle of nowhere. We see him out int he front of what looks like an older house. He's smiling. He's on one knee with a handful of alfalfa, shacking it like he's coaxing something toward him. We pan around. There's a small brown bunny tentatively hopping toward him. We hear him speak two words: "C'mon Daisy." End scene, roll credits..