Doom Patrol has good DID representation…but it’s not who you think | DID in Media

[@Rose-dd6bj]

I think a large part of the issues you have with the series stem from the fact you only saw season 1. It's eventually revealed (spoilers) that Jane herself is not the first host. Her journey is about her resolving her own traumas, just like everyone else. It's just that, in order to kickstart that journey, the events of season 1 had to happen. Yeah, it can be gimmicky at times, but that's a thing that's an issue with every character. It isn't perfect, but at the season goes on, a lot of the details you take issue with get explained and elaborated on. While it appears like core theory, it's far more like Kay is just a little that, because of this, the system feels the need to protect and help. All the alters work to help each other in different ways, it more takes bits of core theory and bits of structural dissociation and mushed them together in a semi hollywood semi realistic way, just as all the characters are

[@headaaches]

agreed with this!! jane's inner world is incredibly relatable, and she's absolutely given a lot more development than you can see in season 1. while she's treated as a gimmick in the marketing, so are many of the characters, and the show gives a lot of really good development to each of them over the course of the series. jane refusing to front for a while is a fairly unrealistic plot point in that no one else takes over, but it shows fairly well (from my perspective and my own system) the ways that members of a system can struggle to communicate. her powers not being a feature of her disorder is also (in my opinion) really important, her system came first and the powers came later. i also like that not every member of her system has the same goals or same feelings towards the body's life. overall i think it's way better than it seems early on!

[@felix_forrester]

Wait how can they judge Jane's system just based only on season 1???? That doesn't make any sense

[@Quizzicalsystem]

​@@felix_forrestershe's not judging Jane's system. She's judging the representation that Jane's system is providing, from the view of only one season.

[@jabberwocky3269]

Every point she made on why she didnt like the representation in the show i was like “waiiit this point is explored in another season noooo” like the only thing that shes right about is the shows tendency to favor core theory, and even then id argue that there are episodes where this is even explored

[@zenhydrasystem]

Agree. Having watched all episodes all seasons I thinks actually the best representation so far in super hero level media. Big fan of Moonknight…but the Kaleidoscope system discovery journey hit home hard.

[@MysticSynergy]

The alters aren't the quirk. She had DID before getting the powers. And there's a clear before and after. Each alter has individual powers/quirks. There's scenes that show her and her system before getting the quirks and how her external appearance doesn't change before getting them, like a genuine system. Also I want to note that the person who actually wrote the comics modeled Jane's system after reading When Rabbit Howls. Actually did research (at least what was available back then) and made an effort to convey her system as respectfully and realistically as possible. While it does come across as highly fantastical, so do all the other characters in the show.

[@Rinnethblack463]

Yea it is, especially compared to others. I liked the way the relationships and arguments between alters were represented. People in our system beef, I’ve gotten choked out in our headspace, our persecutor attacks anything that gets close to its food inside and outside, Ect. I can be a lot like Jane, I’m not the best host, I’m trying to learn how to talk to our system and other alters but I’ve definitely ignored them in the past and still do sometimes. In season 1 Jane and her system haven’t learned how to work together, then they eventually start too. It’s actually kinda cool for myself to know “oh, so it’s not always like this?, it gets better if I learn to work with them, acknowledge them, not ignore them or pretend they aren’t there” And yes, it is “abnormal” for 64 people in one body to ALL have different powers in the DC universe, that’s remarkable actually and terrifying

[@daveh5139]

You're not wrong about your impression of season 1... but, you really need to watch more. Season one is very robot man heavy, but... Janes story arc is insane later and I'd like to hear what you think as you go deeper.

[@Drmorganaurora]

Agreed. They even explore system responsibility when Jane tries to say “I don’t owe you an apology, so and so does” and her friends don’t accept that or buy it in any way. It pisses her off but that interaction ultimately leads to a lot of her healing. Her inner world is amazing. I get what you are saying with season one i had many of the same thoughts, but it does get better. Which means that anyone watching gets roped in with hollywood trope and ends up learning a bit. It’s nit perfect, but overall the best i have seen.

[@Drmorganaurora]

And yes, core theory is problematic.

[@jabberwocky3269]

I will kindly say, the show ramps up excellently with the subject of DID throughout the seasons. I recommend watching through the show for an updated opinion on the shows handling of DID. The first season is VERY gimmicky for each character, but once they have the basics down everyone is explored beautifully! I agree the first season isn’t the best in these aspects. Respectfully, this video would be more truthful to be called “Is there good DID representation in Season 1 of Doom Patrol” with the answer being “not really” lol. I sincerely hope the rest of the show would change ur mind on that tho. Either way, i really appreciate the video and your thoughts on my favorite representation of DID in media :)

[@hiraethsystem3001]

Off-topic but as a system who plays DnD, we'd love to see a video about the intersection of DID and TTRPGs/the therapeutic value of TTRPGs!

[@benbaker2965]

I love your reviews if DID representation on film. I would love if you would do another review of Jane's character after you watch season two. In my opinion a series kind of stumbles around in season one until they figure out what direction to go. I would be curious to see if you find if Jane's character moves in a better direction.

[@braveasanoun5732]

While not perfect, Doom Patrol has been the closest portrayal to my own experience, with most of the alters being within the system and not really coming to front very often and us having only one little. We have different traumas (mine stemming from being a burn victim and the subsequent fifteen or so years in and out of the hospital + some other more mild traumas) and hers being... I will not speak of her exact traumas, but they involve her father. But despite this, it's the closest I've seen to me. And I actually encourage you to watch the whole show, they really do a good job with Jane in the later seasons.

[@whimsylore]

Thanks for the flash warning so we could listen as a podcast! Also thanks for your thoughts. We weren't sure if we should watch it or not. 👍

[@musicandlove516]

As a budding therapist with a lot to learn I appreciate you and your community so very much!

[@rowan9115]

We love all your videos, but I can't express how much we just super appreciate your clear and passionate engagement with the harm caused by core theory and the fact that poor fictional representation has real-world consequences. To us, it doesn't even necessarily matter if the series gets better at exploring DID in later seasons, because a lot of people only watch a few episodes or one season of a show. Spending a whole season reinforcing damaging, bizarre, and sensational misconceptions of DID just makes our lives harder. We're so lucky that we have a therapist who sees the value in helping each of us get to know ourselves, and doesn't treat us as roles or, like you said, highly developed imaginary friends. We were only diagnosed about a year ago, and your vidoes have made a huge contribution to our self-understanding and nascent self-acceptance. Thank you all so much.

[@thunderlizardftw]

I think Jane definitely gets to be better representation over the course of the series. In season 1, I think there's a lot they don't really go over or at least don't explain well, but I think it really improves. And we definitely related a lot to Jane over the series. Like Jane is not the first host of the system. And for me, a host who was not the first host by far and has had a lot of struggles with feeling replaceable or comparing myself to previous hosts, I really related to that later on in the series. I also think her representation is pretty good representation of polyfragmented systems because not everyone is always fronting regularly and some have very internal roles or extremely specific roles that would seem strange to smaller systems. And I don't think it's strange to have dark and eerie inner worlds. Our has some especially dark and gruesome places and had even more before we started trying to work through things together. Like for Miranda's station, she went dormant as revealed later because of going through new trauma in adulthood. And she felt suicidal and went to an emotionally dark place so to me it makes sense that her station would reflect how she felt internally if that makes sense. You're so right about Larry though! Before we knew we had DID and season 1 came out, we related a *lot* to Larry and Negative Spirit. So much so that we now have an introject of him. /lh (Accidentally made an essay. Oops. Sorry about that)

[@TheRenwmn]

I think it would be very interesting to see you do a video on each season of Doom Patrol.

[@Mykalwane]

Good video as always. Yea alot of the response from season I believe lead to there actually be a consultant in future season. Though the show for while feels like throw things against the wall. The farting goat for example. Though always good to see more videos from ya all. Always is a joy to see.

[@thefreckledwonder1140]

Super interesting watch as (unlike Moon knight lol) We've never seen Doom patrol and barely knew anything about "Crazy Jane" other than seeing her referenced once or twice in DID media lists. I think i agree more so with your perspective on Jane and the system, espicially about the "core/original alter" scene that even just seeing a few seconds clip of gave me the ick. Not to make this about moon knight (but i will. i love moon knight) theres something similar that both series's do, when steven says "You made me up, I'm not the original" and with Jane being confronted as not being "the original/first host" and yet the execution of these admittdly similar concepts is completely different. When steven says it we understand as the audience that this is steven being insecure and redifing his whole life with this new perspective, and the fact that neither steven or marc (and probs jake but we dont see his feeling son this matter) do not have the langauge to accuratly explain their situation. The Moon knight show however makes it clear that this is not to frame steven as lesser, as literally one episode later Marc and Steven are shown to be equals despite steven not being the main host. From what I've seen from Doom patrol, while jane *also* might not have the langauge or medical information to accurately understand why things such as cores/originals isnt a healthy way of thinking the show is also agreeing with this view in the meta sense by continuing to perpetuate the Core Theory, so when other alters in the Crazy jane System say things like "Im a person too" its come off as more shallow than when moon knight has its "We're both important" moment, because doom patrol is framing the core theory/having a more important alter as correct whereas moon knight doesnt. (Moon knight's inner-world and alters are also a tad more realistic imo, Jane's system comes off more like a horror trope, though i could appreciate the effort of the inner world/alters themselves as its of course possible to have more "Out there/Strange" alters) from the looks of the comments ive read the other seasons of doom patrol does a much better less gimmicky job of jane's system, but considering how long the episodes and seasons are, its a shame that most peoples only impressions will be of season 1 Jane&Co. Overall, really interesting take and has intrigued me on the other seasons of the show to see if it truly does a better job, so i may give doom patrol a watch. Great video as always and hope you all have a great day!!!

[@TheEntropySystem]

I agree so much with how Moon Knight did the “I’m not the original” conversation better! What a fantastic comparison -Wyn

[@kartavianmacrath7219]

So, I hate when media makes did look like a superpower. I hate the constant dwelling on some dark horror aspect of did, like the creepy hanging bodies. But I think the worst representation is how all the alters were paper thin. Alexandr is my gatekeeper, massive platinum dragon that makes jokes and de-escalates situations. Loves DnD, pokemon and the Littles. Rubicant is a protector, that prefers country music and being productive. We act similar, but not really, Loren tries to watch 19 hours of news a day, while I prefer playing zelda. No superpower, no secret ability, just 11 people fighting time to follow their interests.

[@TheEntropySystem]

The fighting for how to use free time is so real -Kim Kim

[@lydiaboll2872]

@@TheEntropySystemHi, Kim-Kim!

[@Discworld-Edge-Witch]

Three issues you have with Jane improve as the series goes on. And I can't say much without spoiling the finale... But the finale literally addresses EVERY concern you have. Her entire arc is learning how to honor all of her parts, and finding healthy connections.

[@koko_24bun]

lary does kind of feel like us at the very beginning to me. alters either masked so much that we didnt notice them, or they felt like a possession. i thought i was possessed for a long time, our host at 13 did so too. it is just very confusing when youre a 13 year old closeted trans boy and suddenly someone who looks and acts like a fvcking roman goddess comes by and makes you question everything. its also very confusing when youre ill or have really bad focus and dissociation due to adhd and you suddenly feel like youre posessed by a childs spirit waving around a paper you cut slits into and screaming its a silverfish and you can just observe but not stop it. theres two ways an alter can front for us, and its either completely becoming that alter with the full cosciousness being handed over to them, or having that alter control you but beind in a depersonalised state behind them, which does feel a lot like posession and happens to us especially with alters who have no communication or lack sapience

[@DesAMowadeng]

Never watched the show but the thing that stuck out to us that you mentioned was the inner world gatekeeper to keep those outside the body out. At first, one of us presented in that way like she could see what time it was and knew that meant someone besides us would be in our house and referred to them as outsiders. We eventually learned to switch with her if she was fronting so she didn't have to deal with it. So either when she fronted or co-conned it would happen and could be heard inside.

[@jaydebolton6414]

Jane was the first experience i had of viewing DID. Everything about Jane does seem to be focused on her having DID, also the concept on the show that an alter can be killed I later found out was something that is not true. the host before Jane came into existence, committed suicide in the inner world- she fully died rather than just went dormant. Another interesting show representation although not officially claimed to be DID it is indicated to be so Caitlyn Snow and Killer frost from the flash. It was interesting to see Caitlyn and how she sort of became aware of Frost, the two of them growing and evolving together but it isn't the centre point of the character from Caitlyn's side. Frost is a process of evolving and saying I'm more than just this.

[@TheEntropySystem]

We actually covered Killer Frost! If you’d like to hear our thoughts, here’s a link :) -Wyn kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3THaJuFl5Z6bpIsi=P3kKlXf9zimnkaOD

[@ks58843]

I haven't watched it but from the description I don't hate the idea personally, we're a poly fragmented system and we happen to be very uncomfortable with aspects of the fragmentation that make us unable to acess the whole spectrum of our brain. It's quite relatable in that way that her powers are spread between her alters. Development of DID in a person itself is rooted in trauma, so it doesnt sound like a bad start of the story for a character like this. You're making a good point though, that it should be their own story hopefully to be explored in more depth, rather than being shown acting as a side piece to someone else's growth. Making all of her alters and inner words presentations edgy and scary on purpose sounds a bit questionable too. A great analysis, you made me curious to watch the series and compare the thoughts as well. It'd be great if someone from the writing team saw your video as well, bet it could lead to improving on the representation issues you've listed.

[@TheEntropySystem]

If you do watch it we’d love to know what you think! -Wyn

[@SoTenshi]

Yup, that sounds right. I haven't seen Doom Patrol but I've gotten used to bad or problematic, if you will, portrayles. I've simply come to expect it. Sam would like it known that he also loves TTRPGs and horror movies.

[@reverendpain7141]

You really need to watch the rest of the show. Most of a season is about her struggles. Majority of which she keeps to herself and her innerworld

[@dandelionsystem]

I'm sad I left the discord and patreon at some point. I genuinely thought they'd never come back to KZbin. This is my favorite DID channel

[@Queue3612]

18:02 The bit about Larry kinda reminds me of Cyberpunk 2077. Johnny spontaneously waking up in Vs body confused and angry and making threats. Over the story they both learn to come to terms with thats happened and how they must work together in finding a solution.

[@TheEntropySystem]

We see the V/Johnny relationship as very DID adjacent. We love the way they grow to trust one another and share the body. -Wyn

[@Swenglish]

I wouldn't say this show promotes core theory so much as acknowledges it as a belief and slowly interrogates it. A lot of this stuff in season 1 is setup, and Jane's understanding of her condition is from a time when it was called MPD. She's older than she looks. I wouldn't say this show is saying "DID is the problem". I'd say if anything, I'd say the show is saying that that assumption is part of the problem. I'd say the main thing that Jane's story is about is her perception of herself and her place in the world.

[@rosemarycat5]

I'd love to see what you guys think of Give Me Away (audio drama). It doesn't have DID, but it has something similar to Larry there with people sharing bodies with other entities. It really explored functional multiplicity & how the characters who are systems interact with their families. I always love your reviews & analysis! It got me to watch Moon Knight with your other video.

[@unluckyrabbitsfoot101]

I think the show is a mix of good and bad representation, sometimes too good even, like with hoe they represent how she reacts to trauma, like in the church, she gets angry and then switches, we actually formed an alter of our own version of Hammerhead from depictions of trauma in the show, especially after that church scene we had to take a massive break, I don't hate our Hammerhead, but she can be difficult to deal with at times, as she's trying to break down social relationships with others to protect the body and system, even with positive relationships, like our parents, but I get it, she's in a way, scared of getting close to people and I think that comes from the shows version of Hammerhead, because when our version formed, she already had a grasp of what was going on in our system, she hates the Persecutors and Protectors equally, and is trying her best. But that's just our experience with the show, glad to hear your opinions on it, and it makes so much sense now why Larry was our favourite character. Thanks again for doing this video, I'm glad you watched the show, and I hope you watch it further as the show does improve the representation.

[@CuriosityRocks]

Jane’s arc over the whole show is beautiful and really worth watching, it only took me five days to watch all four seasons

[@crazycatboysolomon7006]

8:17 I'm sorry he's doing WHAT?! Pretty sure those are supposed to be private. Also the chief is her therapist and her boss?!?! That sounds like a terrible idea! Edit: Apparently he's ALSO Larry's therapist. I'm confused, does the chief just give therapy to all of them?

[@evaahallows1102]

Yes he plays therapist to everyone/ puts himself forward as wanting to help/being a pseudo-social worker and it is hella problematic in a way the show does not ignore. Chief was not a good dude even if he was trying sometimes. He had no business being anyone’s therapist but he wasn’t their boss. He was a father figure to Jane but he didn’t necessarily have authority over any of them beyond emotional manipulation. Jane (and a lot of other people in the system) are very much upset and betrayed by Cliff doing this and the show frames them in the right about it.

[@crazycatboysolomon7006]

@@evaahallows1102 Ok that makes a little more sense, thanks

[@aderyn7600]

Oh… he sucks thats for sure … more than. You think.

[@CuriosityRocks]

Jane is an alter, it’s Kay who has DID who created Jane, Jane struggles to understand and cope with her role as an alter and feels she was made just to protect Kay. Her arc is to admit the trauma that the body and all the alters suffered and realise it happened to them all. Kay the original person is working through this trauma which is why it’s so scary in the Underground and when Jane says out loud what the trauma was, Kay tells her she’s been building a new inner world.

[@TheEntropySystem]

Jane and Kay and all the other alters are the same mind. There is no original. If you broke a bowl and picked up the pieces, you wouldn’t say that one of them was the original, would you? Every member of a system is an alter, including Kay. That’s why shows like this are so damaging. It perpetuates the idea that some alters are less real than others. That there is an “original” or a “core”. That DID is anything except a single fractured consciousness, not a consciousness with extra bits stacked on top. -Wyn

[@emilylong7912]

I was watching Murdoch Mysteries and they had a character with DID in season 3 episode 5! The series is set in the late 1800s so not much is known about it in the universe but I felt like they handled it really well. The doctor was fascinated with the character of Charlotte but didnt treat her as a freak. She was found with an axe in her hands so she is questioned as a murder suspect but the narrative doesnt present her as a villain or the likely killer. Would love to see your reaction/opinion to it!

[@saltydinonuggies1841]

I watched part of s1 and I don’t even fully care if she’s good rep or not I do like the character. And that’s okay too!! We can like a character and have issues with them at the same time. Most of my favorite characters I have issues with in some way. We were very put off from her at first just simply because of her name Crazy Jane. That alone told me that it probably wasn’t going to be necessarily good or accurate, but that set my expectations to a level that I could enjoy the character more personally. I totally get why others wouldn’t like the character or wish things were written different, and I agree with that too.

[@TheEntropySystem]

It’s totally 100% valid to like the character! Things don’t have to be perfect for them to be enjoyable. -Wyn

[@MH-ss2dn]

I personally really appreciated it. Far from perfect but it is at least trauma linked and far more sympathetic than most portrayals.

[@TheEntropySystem]

That’s very fair. There are other portrayals that are much much worse -Wyn

[@Malsvideos1025]

So glad I'm not the only one who thought this about Jane and Larry. I will say I think based on the issues you brought up the portrayal of Jane improves in season two. Season three is... season three. And I haven't finished season four but it starts with Kay encouraging Jane to find a purpose outside of taking care of Kay and stating that it's something all the alters need.

[@KaitheKnightly]

(This is purely based on what Enthropy covers, I haven't watched Doom Patrol, honestly Janes first appearance got the system wary of watching it...) People also need to realize for young systems, these sorts of representations can lead to system discourse. Our system still has this problem. Which is why we have to try and be careful what we see. Because it fuels the discourse. And it's dangerous. Amazing video Entropy!

[@TheoSwinford]

Thanks for this video! We've missed you!!!

[@wathson]

Love the Larry as a non intended representation but I like Jane's as well, for many reasons especially season 2 and also the end of the show. You must watch how actually Jane eventually became "system in functional multiplicity".

[@teigrakefira4220]

Jane's journey in season one is awful. Her characters grow and feel more realistic as the series goes on. The final season is a much better representation. I fully agree with your opinion on season 1 and would love to see what you think about how the character grows.

[@Discworld-Edge-Witch]

I LOVE season 4 Jane/Kay

[@musicdaph]

very well articullated! Thanks for making the DID in media series,!!

[@andiehernandez1995]

I'm not a person with DID but I do like Jane and the other characters within the system. As a neurodivergent person that struggles with mental health, including dissociation and childhood trauma, I often saw myself in Jane and her headmates throughout the series. The system arc gets better from season 2 onwards, I promise. Season 4 in particular is wonderful for them. I personally believe (I might be wrong) that her inner world looks like an underground and the alters can look "weird" and "scary" and act "violently" or "aggressively" (including Jane) because of their personalities and hobbies/interests. For example, Jane is basically a punk goth and Hammerhead is a punk skinhead. Their appearances and the appearance of the inner world might also be related to self-loathing. Their "hostile" behaviours might be attempts of scaring people away from potentially damaging the body and Kay. I think that Jane's issues are not just related to DID (again, that's my perception as a person that doesn't have DID). I think she deals a lot with mental health and executive functioning (which yes to be fair are related to her DID). But I think there's a deep existential crisis she's experiencing and dealing with. Is she real? Is she a person? Is her existence valid? Now, in regards to core theory. The character you mention is literally a nazi, of course he's going to use outdated and harmful approaches to DID. His ideology is about pathologising disabled people. People like him experimented on disabled people and categorised which individuals from within the community where "more normal" or "normal enough" to live publicly (or privately) in society. The Chief also uses this approach (core theory), but remember he's a middle-aged looking man that looks exactly the same throughout the years. It's understandable he'd also have this view on DID. It will make even more sense after you watch season 2 where they show his backstory. You mentioned how even now some therapists continue working with core theory. It's not surprising that two men from certain generations still believe in it. Jane and the entire system believe in it as well because that's what they've been told by "experts" like the Chief. That's why her and all of the system try to protect Kay at all costs, even at the expense of their own wellbeing. I hope I made myself clear in this comment, English is not my first language. I really hope you continue the show, at least for Larry and the Negative Spirit. I think you'd progressively like the show more and more. P.S. Larry and the Negative Spirit are my favourite characters. Larry made me cry so much, maybe even more than Jane and the other alters (I also struggled with my sexuality and I'm currently not out with family).

[@TheEntropySystem]

The problem is that you and I know that there are more theories about DID than Core theory so we can look at the Nazi and at the Chief and think they’re just ill informed and misguiding Jane, but that information comes from external sources. It doesn’t come from the show itself. There is absolutely nothing in S1 of Doom Patrol that even suggests that Core Theory might be wrong. For people who know very little about DID, Core Theory is all they are given. It’s totally ok to like or even relate to a character that is bad representation, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s bad representation.

[@aderyn7600]

@@TheEntropySystemI don’t think it’s bad representation at all, while the show does come across this way in season one things like this have to be set up, and we can’t coddle audiences and guide them into thinking a specific way, this show sets something up and breaks it down as it goes, if the audience doesn’t continue watching that isn’t necessarily the shows fault, as they get better as they go and need things to be set up in a specific way for things to reveal themselves later. Saying this bad this good in a show isn’t doing a lot for making the audience think and flow with the story as it develops. It’s very premature to say since the only review is about season one so far, as well as this video seeming to miss a few key details in the story telling. Love you’re work love the video but I disagree with this take on representation and as a filmmaker disagree with the idea of moral and factual spoonfeeding to an audience being prioritized over invoking emotion and a journey within your audience. I don’t think a good story should give there audience a solid comfortable ground, it should be ever changing, uncomfortable with catharsis, and assume that the audience is intelligent enough to wait for the story to unfold and make there own opinions. But that’s just my opinion, as opposed to you I absolutely hated Moonknight as representation and felt zero connection to its telling of DID. So in the end I think it’s less of a good/bad and more you did not relate to this character and I did not relate to the one you did.

[@sparklestorm1236]

0:29 I saw a little bit of Blitz, was he close here?

[@TheEntropySystem]

He’s on strike because we don’t do enough fun stuff. He’s definitely not neat the front haha -Wyn

[@jaelojaelo5279]

Does the representation get better in later seasons? Yeah! ...but also no. Overall its better, but they still can make some weird decisions with it, that usually affect the plot a lot. but the little, quiet moments are usually very nice.

[@thegallantones6353]

I always thought that Janes's problem in season 1 was depression, not the alters. About the Core Theory, it's interesting cause the next seasons (and the end of the show) are kinda talking about that. I don't know anything about it so I couldn't say if it's well done or not.

[@katsmaddworld9907]

Love the monster high dolls!!! And the fnaf cupcake! We love fnaf! What do you guys think of Sun&Moon? I know they're not technically DID rep but they are such a comfort character to us! 💛💙💛💙

[@TheEntropySystem]

Sun and Moon were our favorite characters in Security Breach! -Wyn

[@127sys]

idk if he realizes it, but shayne topp’s character in board af (a d&d podcast) is a great autism rep in s1 & in s2 a DID representation! would suggest 2 others

[@choosexolove]

Petals of a Rose!

[@grime69]

Only watched a few minutes of the video so far, haven't watched Doom Patrol, but I was wondering if anyone has also thought that Homelander from The Boys possibly has DID? (It's another 'gritty' superhero show so I guess it just naturally reminded me of it.) I saw the theory on reddit and twitter, and I was wondering if that is good representation if its representation at all...(i think the scenes are in season 3 and 4)

[@Rose-dd6bj]

@@grime69 homelander definitely doesn't because those "homelander" never take executive control. It's just their way of showing a mental break Spoilers for season 4 That being said, late season 4 butcher is pretty did coded. His struggles with Kessler and Becca in his own head, his black outs where Kessler takes control, and them subsequently having issues with each other especially re what the body should be doing, struggling with irl conversations while your internal group are chiming in, it's not good did rep by any stretch but I thought there were some interesting moments there.

[@MrBobbyantonio]

The next seasons do a better job of Jane and the rest of the system working together and realizing the healing and needs they need to work on.

[@douglasvincent5925]

Thank you for this video. I've been watching Doom Patrol lately, but I also haven't gotten past season 1 yet. I have mixed feelings about the portrayal of Jane, there are things I like and things I don't like. I think your video has helped me to figure out how to articulate the things that I don't like. Jane is not the worst DID representation ever, but she is far from the best also. Moon Knight (the TV series and some of the more recent runs of the comics) was definitely better. The comic series "Immortal Hulk" was better, despite not seeming very positive in the first few issues. The movie "What If It Works?" was better DID representation (although, as you have pointed out in another of your videos, it was not as good with the OCD representation). But I think the best one that I/we have seen is probably a comic series from Europe Comics in France called "Elle(s)," which has been published in English by Ablaze Comics. It was written by Kid Toussaint, and illustrated by Aveline Stokart. Even that one isn't perfect, the biggest issue being a certain plot twist in volume 2 of the three volume series (I won't spoil it in case you want to read it). But despite that plot twist, I think it's still a very accurate representation of what it's like to live with DID. The DID system in the series is not a scary monster or a superhero, just an "ordinary" teenage girl who happens to have more than one ordinary teenage girl inside her. The alters are portrayed as all seeming like actual human beings with their own strengths and weaknesses, opinions, beliefs, etc., and not as stereotypical one-dimensional "characters" (looking at you, United States of Tara...) They have other, ordinary teenager problems and joys (homework, gossip about relationships, the joys of goofing off with friends) that don't involve their DID. Their internal worlds (each alter has their own, but they eventually learn how to travel between them) are beautiful, imaginative worlds, not scary, creepy nightmares. And their friends are amazingly supportive and accepting of her/them. The alters have conflicts with each other, but eventually realize that they need to work together. Overall, while it's not perfect DID representation, it's a lot better than most others, and I think it deserves more attention and love. In fact, I'm going to be on a podcast soon, called Indie Comics Spotlight, hosted by Tony Farina, part of the Comics In Motion podcast network, to do a multi-episode discussion of this series! The first episode has been recorded, but not released yet. And as far as I can tell, these will be the first English language podcast episodes to talk about this series! Which is not good in a way, because I wish it was more famous here in America already, but good that I am hopefully going to be able to help bring some attention to it. Anyway, thank you so much for everything you do to help educate people about DID! I/we are trying to do what we can also. We appreciate you! - Leyna of the Douglas Vincent system

[@TheEntropySystem]

That comic sounds fantastic! Is it available in English? -Wyn

[@RialVestro]

I was watching Inside Out 2 recently and have started to wander if Riley has DID. There are are a few things that isolated on their own would not have lead me to think DID and in the first movie I really didn't think that at all. But there are a few things in the sequel that have lead me to this conclusion. Spoilers ahead. So first off lets address the things that were in both movies and why I didn't see this as a symptom of DID till the sequel. 1. Riley's emotions all present as different genders. In the first movie we really don't get to see in anyone else's head except for a couple of quick gags during the end credits. I really didn't think much about the fact that her dad's emotions are all male and her mom's emotions are all female because it was such a quickly done scene for a joke plus they're both adults. We really didn't get to see inside other kids minds. Maybe that's just a thing. 2. Riley's emotions actually have full unique personalities. They're more than just the emotion they represent. Like there are moments in the movie where Joy herself expresses other emotions like sadness, disgust, anger, fear. Despite being Joy she isn't just happy all the time. She is cheerful most of the time but she isn't limited by that emotion. Initially I just thought that the reason for this was that the movie was mostly focused on those emotions as characters and having a literally one note character that can't do anything else would make for a very boring movie. So now I'll get into the sequel stuff that made me think differently about the way these characters were developed. 1. We actually do get to see inside other kids heads in the squeal and it's not a quick joke this time, there's scenes that actually contribute to the main plot and we're still seeing that everyone except Riley has emotions that all present as the same gender as the body. Not just adult characters but other kids her own age. Riley is the only one with both male and female presenting emotions. 2. Not only do Riley's emotions seem to have fully fleshed out emotions but I noticed in the sequel that when we see inside of other people's heads the emotions refer the person using first person pronouns as if they all see themselves as one entity. Riley's emotions however refer to her by name, in the third person, as if they see her as a separate entity from themselves. Again this is completely different from how the emotions in anyone else's mind behaves. 3. There's a new plot device introduced in the sequel which is Riley's sense of self. At first it seems pretty solid and consistent but later in the movie her sense of self is shown to shift and change shape and color to match those different emotions or personality states. And again, no one else in the movie is shown to have this shape shifting sense of self in their heads. 4. Finally, there is a land fill shown to be in the back of Riley's mind where all her forgotten memories are set to with even Joy mentions "this is more than I remember sending back here" it never comes up again later but it seemed like a pretty strange thing to draw attention to. If they were just what amounts to the average forgotten memories everyone has I don't think she would have called out how big the pile was. Those could be trauma memories that got locked away back there. The only thing that really makes me question this is that we see a montage of Riley's early childhood in the first movie and she seemed to have a generally happy childhood with kind loving parents... but the movie also showed us some of those happy memories aren't always what they seem at the surface when you zoom out and look at the bigger picture. Of course a Montague in a movie isn't going to show everything so she could still have trauma we just haven't seen yet and what we're seeing is just what Riley can remember so that she can appear normal.

[@lydiaboll2872]

montage* not Montague I respectfully disagree. DID is usually caused by severe and repeated childhood trauma and Riley, by all accounts, had a picture perfect childhood.

[@CuriosityRocks]

Do we say alter’s have DID? I would say the original body and mind that went through the trauma has DID. So Jane’s ‘quirk’ isn’t that she has DID, it’s that she’s an alter trying to understand herself

[@CuriosityRocks]

But Kay is the little girl who went through trauma and her brain created the alters and all those alters including Jane look after Kay so I don’t get how that’s wrong

[@lirasial3433]

Yes "Jane has DID" but if anyone that has DID including me comes around to be honest about how it felt way before theraphy in the starting Phase if you want to call it that way it truly is a fight. It is a huge struggle with dissociation with getting along, hearing each other out, get some control over whos out recognizing triggres for All the Individuals, panic Attacks, trauma, apperance list goes on. It is tiering and confusing and it affects someones life enormously in a way that we need theraphy in order to be able to even develop something like a normal daily Routine. We are Not Just the Person on the street. We still have a disorder even though that doesnt makes us any better or worse than others but especially "in the beginning" its a lot and heavy to Deal with and difficult and thats ok. We are multiple Individuals sharing one shell trying to navigate our daily live.....jane Fights with her alters, cant control them and causes chaos because of their Powers and uncontrolled switching that causes damage like for example explosions, teleportation ectect. The special Thing about All of the Charakters is they have Kind of superpowers but cant control them properly due to various reasons. For Rita its her Emoticons, for cliff its the New reality of his body, For jane it's not the fact that she has DID itself but what comes with the disorder : her system has no real communication, rules or acceptance towards others! the Individuals Just do what ever they want and what is needed in their eys regardless of what is best for their live or the needs of the host...Just a System before they learn to communicate and work with each other. I watched the whole Series multiple times and its really one of the best representations Ive seen so far. They Show the Innere World, the trauma behind the whole disorder some other hosts and how they learn to work together and to communicate and even the diffrent responsibilitys of the Alters....

[@laurapaskavitz2689]

In the "Core Theory" alters are treated in the same way as Structural Dissociation. Every part - in my experience - is treated as an equal part with as much value & importance as the core. At least a good therapist will treat the person(s) that way. I cannot relate to Structural Dissociation. Maybe it's because I'm older. I think there can be value in both theories. And i don't believe people have been damaged by encompassing this theory. Of course experiences differ. My alters are welcome to have as much time as wanted/needed fronting & participating in my life & treatment. We are a system & have the option of functioning multiplicity or not. So try not to see things as all black & white. There are always shades of grey - even within treatment.

[@TheEntropySystem]

I’m glad your experience with Core theory has been positive. I just know that for me, believing I was the “most real” was incredibly damaging to my system and hindered a lot of healing opportunities. We’ve become so much healthier once we realized we’re all alters, even me. I’ve also been a part of discussions with systems that try to repress or ignore their alters needs because they identify as the core and therefore their needs take priority. I agree that under the guidance of a good therapist Core theory doesn’t HAVE to be bad, but I’ve seen it cause way more harm than not. -Wyn

[@lemonfelonies124]

I don't actually know because I haven't seen up to this point yet but does black Agnes literally exist just to guard that hallway

[@lemonfelonies124]

although I do feel like from what I have seen that her General character of not letting men go forward with doing something is very did

[@Ashvibes]

Love this video!

[@lifeisstrangenpc]

Bestie, it's not too late to delete this😬 -respectfully, a system that told you before Jane was a good representation

[@TheEntropySystem]

Bestie, we’re both systems. We can disagree on what is good representation and what isn’t. Our opinions are equally valid.

[@koko_24bun]

our biological mother is unknowingly trying to use the core theory on us. she thinks of the other alters as fake identities that the original, whom she refers to as our legal name that all exept one who carried it on also consider our deadname, is hiding beihind because theyre scared of reality. truth is that this "original", or at least who she means by that, is a super dysfunctional little in our system thats almost exclusively dormant and fronts in a possessive way. it really hurts us, especially our motherly but trauma holding alter with severe bpd. she spends all of her time fronting since that happened crying and screaming about how our biological mother hates us and makes us responsible for "the original" not being here anymore in that way. we cant talk about it though, that was our first and last attempt at telling our bio mother that we have did

[@DancinFerret10]

I disagree with your take actually , DID in itself IS scary to have and stressful, it ISNT FUN , I dislike it and wish I didn’t have to have it,is the portrayal dramatized ? Absolutely, but that is pretty predictable. I related to Jane’s story a lot and how some alters present, and I liked how her inner world was shown, it felt like you were just being nit picky lol, but also how u were complaining about core theory, what u we’re saying just was literally what the disorder is? Alters are usually split off TO protect the core self? Like that’s how it works…

[@DancinFerret10]

I feel like separating alters from the core self is actually more harmful than good and can push further away from functional multiplicity , idk…

[@soccerandtrack10]

So when know about d.i.d. and talk to people but fighting it or the people=adhd meltdown stuff is realistic then?...

[@soccerandtrack10]

So being mean can bring them out?/just not too mean=or theyre hert you?...

[@duskfallmusic]

Argument on our side: WTF DC, stop copying marvel and the n doing it POORLY LMAO -- like if ya gonna do it - MAKE HER AMAZING Like David Haller lmao. Also thanks for providing intelligent content that will stick with us -- partially becacuse we. can't get our brain to shut down for the night but also it's really good to see DID rep on youtube that isn't just about symptoms these days :)

[@lydiaboll2872]

Uh Doom Patrol came out in 2019. Moon Knight came out in 2022. 3 years apart. Comics Moon Knight was created by Marvel in August 1975. Comics Crazy Jane was created by DC in February 1989. 14 years apart. Fair game, Jane was originally created after Moon Knight, but DC is good on its own-trust me, they don’t need to steal from Marvel.

[@daluxsystem]

Yeah, stopping halfway through the show was definitely a flaw on your part

[@daluxsystem]

“Aren’t you the core personality in your little menagerie” said the Nazi. “That’s wrong and dangerous” said the system

[@Dunybrook]

Jane has a terrible history that goes way beyond her orignal trauma. She has never gotten any therapy that might actually help her. You should really watch the rest of the show because she has lots of problems which aren't because of her DID itself. Besides that it's just a great show in general.

[@ConfusedSoup]

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