I'm disappointed to hear all of this about _Doom Patrol,_ but not at all surprised. 😒 I am 100% a loudly "Fiction ≠ Reality" person, especially because I've seen so many stories and characters have wasted potential due to writers/producers/etc walking on eggshells. When we go into the "fiction influences people" narrative, it can lead to things like book bans and censorship of creative freedom. And, of course, there are the Fandom Police (or "Antis") who harass writers and other fans because if what they write or enjoy in a fictional story. (I've heard of horrendous harassment, from death threats to doxxing, and everything in-between.) However, when it comes to things like mental illness and other disabilities, especially conditions that are *_so_* widely misunderstood, I feel we should be more careful about it, and definitely accurate. As a writer myself, I'd never tell anyone what they can and can't write in their own story, but we should talk more about how these protrayals are false and sensationalizing, so those who don't know more can learn. I actually starting learing about D.I.D. because I began watching _Gotham_ and Ed became my favorite character. I could tell they were going for D.I.D. with him, so I wanted to learn about it.

This is strangely reassuring. We’re a pretty newly discovered system and we often feel like we’re not a real system because our parts aren’t fighting to have their entirely different life and run away. Maybe weird but our life is a bowl and a group project and that’s okay :] 🩵

WYN'S CAT SHIRT IS AMAZING! Also I as well subscribe to the theory that the "Dr. Harrow" scenes are Marc and Steven dissociating. Glad to see I'm not alone in that! Great review, Daniel! I feel like you and I are on the same wavelength when it comes to theories and favorite scenes! 😊

So glad I'm not the only one who thought this about Jane and Larry. I will say I think based on the issues you brought up the portrayal of Jane improves in season two. Season three is... season three. And I haven't finished season four but it starts with Kay encouraging Jane to find a purpose outside of taking care of Kay and stating that it's something all the alters need.

Im a did system and we just made a friends who has paranoid schizophrenia prone to violent outbursts, looking forward to this one :)

This was basically Aiden with his gender. “I refuse to be a girl!” Turns out he’s trans-🪷

As a budding therapist with a lot to learn I appreciate you and your community so very much!

Let's pick another disorder to demonize, alzhymers serial killers anyone? Lol.........

We have a very similar situation with our work too. They know we have DID. They very rarely bring it up. We work with a DID client and we both present so differently. But I love that the overall vibe of this video is that DID is adaptive. We all work hard.

any updates on the family member? <3

Love this video!

This was such a good video! I love media analysis, and I especially love viewing media from a mental health standpoint. Would y’all ever consider expanding the series beyond television/movies? For example, maybe looking at a storyline from the Moon knight comics. Doesn’t have to be Moon knight specific, just a thought.

So excited to see y’all back! Can’t wait to see what’s in store

I started following y'all's story 6 years ago.... In that time we found out we also have DID, life is bizarre

My grey outs always make me feel like I’m a cartoon ghost and I’m Just kinda floating along with no feet 😂 that’s the best I can describe it

very well articullated! Thanks for making the DID in media series,!!

You should do Mike from Total Drama Revenge of the Island/All Stars

I think it would be very interesting to see you do a video on each season of Doom Patrol.

I always thought that Janes's problem in season 1 was depression, not the alters. About the Core Theory, it's interesting cause the next seasons (and the end of the show) are kinda talking about that. I don't know anything about it so I couldn't say if it's well done or not.

Me and the others have just found your channel, and we quite enjoy it. Thank you for your work -Diana

Thanks for this video! We've missed you!!!

Yes "Jane has DID" but if anyone that has DID including me comes around to be honest about how it felt way before theraphy in the starting Phase if you want to call it that way it truly is a fight. It is a huge struggle with dissociation with getting along, hearing each other out, get some control over whos out recognizing triggres for All the Individuals, panic Attacks, trauma, apperance list goes on. It is tiering and confusing and it affects someones life enormously in a way that we need theraphy in order to be able to even develop something like a normal daily Routine. We are Not Just the Person on the street. We still have a disorder even though that doesnt makes us any better or worse than others but especially "in the beginning" its a lot and heavy to Deal with and difficult and thats ok. We are multiple Individuals sharing one shell trying to navigate our daily live.....jane Fights with her alters, cant control them and causes chaos because of their Powers and uncontrolled switching that causes damage like for example explosions, teleportation ectect. The special Thing about All of the Charakters is they have Kind of superpowers but cant control them properly due to various reasons. For Rita its her Emoticons, for cliff its the New reality of his body, For jane it's not the fact that she has DID itself but what comes with the disorder : her system has no real communication, rules or acceptance towards others! the Individuals Just do what ever they want and what is needed in their eys regardless of what is best for their live or the needs of the host...Just a System before they learn to communicate and work with each other. I watched the whole Series multiple times and its really one of the best representations Ive seen so far. They Show the Innere World, the trauma behind the whole disorder some other hosts and how they learn to work together and to communicate and even the diffrent responsibilitys of the Alters....

I haven't watched it but from the description I don't hate the idea personally, we're a poly fragmented system and we happen to be very uncomfortable with aspects of the fragmentation that make us unable to acess the whole spectrum of our brain. It's quite relatable in that way that her powers are spread between her alters. Development of DID in a person itself is rooted in trauma, so it doesnt sound like a bad start of the story for a character like this. You're making a good point though, that it should be their own story hopefully to be explored in more depth, rather than being shown acting as a side piece to someone else's growth. Making all of her alters and inner words presentations edgy and scary on purpose sounds a bit questionable too. A great analysis, you made me curious to watch the series and compare the thoughts as well. It'd be great if someone from the writing team saw your video as well, bet it could lead to improving on the representation issues you've listed.

0:29 I saw a little bit of Blitz, was he close here?

Off-topic but as a system who plays DnD, we'd love to see a video about the intersection of DID and TTRPGs/the therapeutic value of TTRPGs!

First time watching this, I clicked off after 4 minutes. For some reason I couldn't watch it. No a year later and a year into trauma therapy I came across this video again... and interest spiked. clicked on it and 15 minutes in I think I was scared back then? SInce this is the first video I can feel relation to? Like I think I have all my memories, but not always at my disposal. I need triggers or a starting word to know them. Like when someone starts "Did you know when [person] from year 4 did this?!" I would have a second of delay till I get a flash like in a photobook of oh yeah that happened and my mouth moves on its own. With other DID channels it was always that they had a feeling/ an inkling or have complete blackouts. Wake up somewhere unknown. I don't have that. I always have vague memories of where I've been, but at the same time nothing retains in my brain. I don't think I have DID since I also don't have traces of imaginary friends/ presona scribbles or anything indicating. But your trauma responses/ feelings and journey hit home... And maybe that is why I was clicking off quickly the first time I tried watching this.

The alters aren't the quirk. She had DID before getting the powers. And there's a clear before and after. Each alter has individual powers/quirks. There's scenes that show her and her system before getting the quirks and how her external appearance doesn't change before getting them, like a genuine system. Also I want to note that the person who actually wrote the comics modeled Jane's system after reading When Rabbit Howls. Actually did research (at least what was available back then) and made an effort to convey her system as respectfully and realistically as possible. While it does come across as highly fantastical, so do all the other characters in the show.

Two, Four, Six, Eight, WE refuse to integrate!!!!! This video was spot on when talking about WHO to integrate or fuse to. All of our headmates deserve to have a life in this time sharded body we have. Also want to point out that there is research and case studies [ Dropping Joanne Twombly, MSW, LICSW here ] where medication works differently with each headmate. Our system has a NO MEDICATION order give by a psychiatrist because reactions are unpredictable. Lots of case studies coming out saying stay away from meds if you are a system. Just thought we would point that out. Obviously every system is different and not all headmates in every system are going to agree to medication. Work with your professionals on what works for your system. Just know medication unpredictability is absolutely a thing and being recorded as such.

anyone know how we go about headspace meditation?.. our system communication keeps getting worse. was good in the beginning now worse. cant seem to keep our system communication stable. under stress it gets even more worse and theres a higher chance of a misundersatanding. -thirteen

I'm not a person with DID but I do like Jane and the other characters within the system. As a neurodivergent person that struggles with mental health, including dissociation and childhood trauma, I often saw myself in Jane and her headmates throughout the series. The system arc gets better from season 2 onwards, I promise. Season 4 in particular is wonderful for them. I personally believe (I might be wrong) that her inner world looks like an underground and the alters can look "weird" and "scary" and act "violently" or "aggressively" (including Jane) because of their personalities and hobbies/interests. For example, Jane is basically a punk goth and Hammerhead is a punk skinhead. Their appearances and the appearance of the inner world might also be related to self-loathing. Their "hostile" behaviours might be attempts of scaring people away from potentially damaging the body and Kay. I think that Jane's issues are not just related to DID (again, that's my perception as a person that doesn't have DID). I think she deals a lot with mental health and executive functioning (which yes to be fair are related to her DID). But I think there's a deep existential crisis she's experiencing and dealing with. Is she real? Is she a person? Is her existence valid? Now, in regards to core theory. The character you mention is literally a nazi, of course he's going to use outdated and harmful approaches to DID. His ideology is about pathologising disabled people. People like him experimented on disabled people and categorised which individuals from within the community where "more normal" or "normal enough" to live publicly (or privately) in society. The Chief also uses this approach (core theory), but remember he's a middle-aged looking man that looks exactly the same throughout the years. It's understandable he'd also have this view on DID. It will make even more sense after you watch season 2 where they show his backstory. You mentioned how even now some therapists continue working with core theory. It's not surprising that two men from certain generations still believe in it. Jane and the entire system believe in it as well because that's what they've been told by "experts" like the Chief. That's why her and all of the system try to protect Kay at all costs, even at the expense of their own wellbeing. I hope I made myself clear in this comment, English is not my first language. I really hope you continue the show, at least for Larry and the Negative Spirit. I think you'd progressively like the show more and more. P.S. Larry and the Negative Spirit are my favourite characters. Larry made me cry so much, maybe even more than Jane and the other alters (I also struggled with my sexuality and I'm currently not out with family).

I enjoyed this video thank you for suggesting it to me. I kind of felt sorry for frost especially when she was upset and angry the team only seemed to want Caitlyn they only wanted frost when in a fight and wanted her power when the fighting was done it was we want Caitlyn back now. Also despite the name it is very interesting that Killer frost never actually killed anyone. tortured and maimed yes, but she never killed. something Barry pointed out to her when she was still lashing out at the world and angry he ordered her to kill him if she wanted to leave and kept goading her but she balked 'come on killer frost I want to see some killing' don't know if you'd be interested in going back to this but later in the flash a new alter is formed Snow who later names herself Khione. Frost and Caitlyn were separated into two individual beings, so each had her own body and they were happy like that. Frost is fatally wounded and Caitlyn with the help of Frost's boyfriend experiments on herself to try and have Frost's mind transferred back into Caitlyn's body but something happens and rather than frost and Caitlyn there is a new alter snow/ Khione. I kind of wonder if Khione was frost and Caitlyn fused, though she has no memory of frost or Caitlyn. She is essentially a blank slate but at the end of the show Khione leaves and restores Caitlyn i would like to think if the show hadn't been cancelled Frost would have come back too

(This is purely based on what Enthropy covers, I haven't watched Doom Patrol, honestly Janes first appearance got the system wary of watching it...) People also need to realize for young systems, these sorts of representations can lead to system discourse. Our system still has this problem. Which is why we have to try and be careful what we see. Because it fuels the discourse. And it's dangerous. Amazing video Entropy!

We have an angel dust/bryce tankthrust mixtive!

I'd love to see what you guys think of Give Me Away (audio drama). It doesn't have DID, but it has something similar to Larry there with people sharing bodies with other entities. It really explored functional multiplicity & how the characters who are systems interact with their families. I always love your reviews & analysis! It got me to watch Moon Knight with your other video.

Super interesting watch as (unlike Moon knight lol) We've never seen Doom patrol and barely knew anything about "Crazy Jane" other than seeing her referenced once or twice in DID media lists. I think i agree more so with your perspective on Jane and the system, espicially about the "core/original alter" scene that even just seeing a few seconds clip of gave me the ick. Not to make this about moon knight (but i will. i love moon knight) theres something similar that both series's do, when steven says "You made me up, I'm not the original" and with Jane being confronted as not being "the original/first host" and yet the execution of these admittdly similar concepts is completely different. When steven says it we understand as the audience that this is steven being insecure and redifing his whole life with this new perspective, and the fact that neither steven or marc (and probs jake but we dont see his feeling son this matter) do not have the langauge to accuratly explain their situation. The Moon knight show however makes it clear that this is not to frame steven as lesser, as literally one episode later Marc and Steven are shown to be equals despite steven not being the main host. From what I've seen from Doom patrol, while jane *also* might not have the langauge or medical information to accurately understand why things such as cores/originals isnt a healthy way of thinking the show is also agreeing with this view in the meta sense by continuing to perpetuate the Core Theory, so when other alters in the Crazy jane System say things like "Im a person too" its come off as more shallow than when moon knight has its "We're both important" moment, because doom patrol is framing the core theory/having a more important alter as correct whereas moon knight doesnt. (Moon knight's inner-world and alters are also a tad more realistic imo, Jane's system comes off more like a horror trope, though i could appreciate the effort of the inner world/alters themselves as its of course possible to have more "Out there/Strange" alters) from the looks of the comments ive read the other seasons of doom patrol does a much better less gimmicky job of jane's system, but considering how long the episodes and seasons are, its a shame that most peoples only impressions will be of season 1 Jane&Co. Overall, really interesting take and has intrigued me on the other seasons of the show to see if it truly does a better job, so i may give doom patrol a watch. Great video as always and hope you all have a great day!!!

In the "Core Theory" alters are treated in the same way as Structural Dissociation. Every part - in my experience - is treated as an equal part with as much value & importance as the core. At least a good therapist will treat the person(s) that way. I cannot relate to Structural Dissociation. Maybe it's because I'm older. I think there can be value in both theories. And i don't believe people have been damaged by encompassing this theory. Of course experiences differ. My alters are welcome to have as much time as wanted/needed fronting & participating in my life & treatment. We are a system & have the option of functioning multiplicity or not. So try not to see things as all black & white. There are always shades of grey - even within treatment.

8:17 I'm sorry he's doing WHAT?! Pretty sure those are supposed to be private. Also the chief is her therapist and her boss?!?! That sounds like a terrible idea! Edit: Apparently he's ALSO Larry's therapist. I'm confused, does the chief just give therapy to all of them?

So, I hate when media makes did look like a superpower. I hate the constant dwelling on some dark horror aspect of did, like the creepy hanging bodies. But I think the worst representation is how all the alters were paper thin. Alexandr is my gatekeeper, massive platinum dragon that makes jokes and de-escalates situations. Loves DnD, pokemon and the Littles. Rubicant is a protector, that prefers country music and being productive. We act similar, but not really, Loren tries to watch 19 hours of news a day, while I prefer playing zelda. No superpower, no secret ability, just 11 people fighting time to follow their interests.

Argument on our side: WTF DC, stop copying marvel and the n doing it POORLY LMAO -- like if ya gonna do it - MAKE HER AMAZING Like David Haller lmao. Also thanks for providing intelligent content that will stick with us -- partially becacuse we. can't get our brain to shut down for the night but also it's really good to see DID rep on youtube that isn't just about symptoms these days :)

Does the representation get better in later seasons? Yeah! ...but also no. Overall its better, but they still can make some weird decisions with it, that usually affect the plot a lot. but the little, quiet moments are usually very nice.

Yup, that sounds right. I haven't seen Doom Patrol but I've gotten used to bad or problematic, if you will, portrayles. I've simply come to expect it. Sam would like it known that he also loves TTRPGs and horror movies.

I think the show is a mix of good and bad representation, sometimes too good even, like with hoe they represent how she reacts to trauma, like in the church, she gets angry and then switches, we actually formed an alter of our own version of Hammerhead from depictions of trauma in the show, especially after that church scene we had to take a massive break, I don't hate our Hammerhead, but she can be difficult to deal with at times, as she's trying to break down social relationships with others to protect the body and system, even with positive relationships, like our parents, but I get it, she's in a way, scared of getting close to people and I think that comes from the shows version of Hammerhead, because when our version formed, she already had a grasp of what was going on in our system, she hates the Persecutors and Protectors equally, and is trying her best. But that's just our experience with the show, glad to hear your opinions on it, and it makes so much sense now why Larry was our favourite character. Thanks again for doing this video, I'm glad you watched the show, and I hope you watch it further as the show does improve the representation.

You're not wrong about your impression of season 1... but, you really need to watch more. Season one is very robot man heavy, but... Janes story arc is insane later and I'd like to hear what you think as you go deeper.

I was watching Inside Out 2 recently and have started to wander if Riley has DID. There are are a few things that isolated on their own would not have lead me to think DID and in the first movie I really didn't think that at all. But there are a few things in the sequel that have lead me to this conclusion. Spoilers ahead. So first off lets address the things that were in both movies and why I didn't see this as a symptom of DID till the sequel. 1. Riley's emotions all present as different genders. In the first movie we really don't get to see in anyone else's head except for a couple of quick gags during the end credits. I really didn't think much about the fact that her dad's emotions are all male and her mom's emotions are all female because it was such a quickly done scene for a joke plus they're both adults. We really didn't get to see inside other kids minds. Maybe that's just a thing. 2. Riley's emotions actually have full unique personalities. They're more than just the emotion they represent. Like there are moments in the movie where Joy herself expresses other emotions like sadness, disgust, anger, fear. Despite being Joy she isn't just happy all the time. She is cheerful most of the time but she isn't limited by that emotion. Initially I just thought that the reason for this was that the movie was mostly focused on those emotions as characters and having a literally one note character that can't do anything else would make for a very boring movie. So now I'll get into the sequel stuff that made me think differently about the way these characters were developed. 1. We actually do get to see inside other kids heads in the squeal and it's not a quick joke this time, there's scenes that actually contribute to the main plot and we're still seeing that everyone except Riley has emotions that all present as the same gender as the body. Not just adult characters but other kids her own age. Riley is the only one with both male and female presenting emotions. 2. Not only do Riley's emotions seem to have fully fleshed out emotions but I noticed in the sequel that when we see inside of other people's heads the emotions refer the person using first person pronouns as if they all see themselves as one entity. Riley's emotions however refer to her by name, in the third person, as if they see her as a separate entity from themselves. Again this is completely different from how the emotions in anyone else's mind behaves. 3. There's a new plot device introduced in the sequel which is Riley's sense of self. At first it seems pretty solid and consistent but later in the movie her sense of self is shown to shift and change shape and color to match those different emotions or personality states. And again, no one else in the movie is shown to have this shape shifting sense of self in their heads. 4. Finally, there is a land fill shown to be in the back of Riley's mind where all her forgotten memories are set to with even Joy mentions "this is more than I remember sending back here" it never comes up again later but it seemed like a pretty strange thing to draw attention to. If they were just what amounts to the average forgotten memories everyone has I don't think she would have called out how big the pile was. Those could be trauma memories that got locked away back there. The only thing that really makes me question this is that we see a montage of Riley's early childhood in the first movie and she seemed to have a generally happy childhood with kind loving parents... but the movie also showed us some of those happy memories aren't always what they seem at the surface when you zoom out and look at the bigger picture. Of course a Montague in a movie isn't going to show everything so she could still have trauma we just haven't seen yet and what we're seeing is just what Riley can remember so that she can appear normal.

having the puppet nazi do core theory would be great if we then disproved the core theory as the crazy puppet nazi's harmful puppet nazi ideas. i hope it did improve after that

We love all your videos, but I can't express how much we just super appreciate your clear and passionate engagement with the harm caused by core theory and the fact that poor fictional representation has real-world consequences. To us, it doesn't even necessarily matter if the series gets better at exploring DID in later seasons, because a lot of people only watch a few episodes or one season of a show. Spending a whole season reinforcing damaging, bizarre, and sensational misconceptions of DID just makes our lives harder. We're so lucky that we have a therapist who sees the value in helping each of us get to know ourselves, and doesn't treat us as roles or, like you said, highly developed imaginary friends. We were only diagnosed about a year ago, and your vidoes have made a huge contribution to our self-understanding and nascent self-acceptance. Thank you all so much.

Jane was the first experience i had of viewing DID. Everything about Jane does seem to be focused on her having DID, also the concept on the show that an alter can be killed I later found out was something that is not true. the host before Jane came into existence, committed suicide in the inner world- she fully died rather than just went dormant. Another interesting show representation although not officially claimed to be DID it is indicated to be so Caitlyn Snow and Killer frost from the flash. It was interesting to see Caitlyn and how she sort of became aware of Frost, the two of them growing and evolving together but it isn't the centre point of the character from Caitlyn's side. Frost is a process of evolving and saying I'm more than just this.

Thanks for the flash warning so we could listen as a podcast! Also thanks for your thoughts. We weren't sure if we should watch it or not. 👍

This was really triggering. Why you didn't put a trigger warning?????

I think Jane definitely gets to be better representation over the course of the series. In season 1, I think there's a lot they don't really go over or at least don't explain well, but I think it really improves. And we definitely related a lot to Jane over the series. Like Jane is not the first host of the system. And for me, a host who was not the first host by far and has had a lot of struggles with feeling replaceable or comparing myself to previous hosts, I really related to that later on in the series. I also think her representation is pretty good representation of polyfragmented systems because not everyone is always fronting regularly and some have very internal roles or extremely specific roles that would seem strange to smaller systems. And I don't think it's strange to have dark and eerie inner worlds. Our has some especially dark and gruesome places and had even more before we started trying to work through things together. Like for Miranda's station, she went dormant as revealed later because of going through new trauma in adulthood. And she felt suicidal and went to an emotionally dark place so to me it makes sense that her station would reflect how she felt internally if that makes sense. You're so right about Larry though! Before we knew we had DID and season 1 came out, we related a *lot* to Larry and Negative Spirit. So much so that we now have an introject of him. /lh (Accidentally made an essay. Oops. Sorry about that)