Doomsday Couple: Money & Murder | ID v Chad Daybell Day 5 Recap

[@CourtTV]

#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

[@carolannpacificadam1944]

Scary that people are like this.. This case is just so disturbing. Thank you for covering it

[@lazymom1981]

Will this be like the Addelsons and Melanie P get charged after Lori is convictioned for Brandon shooting ?

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

Lori was obsessed with the Twilight series. If memory serves, she wrote in an email, sent from her LollyTime account, that Tylee and JJ were to be bound, killed, and their bodies disposed of in the manner specified in that book series. She wrote that following those directions would prevent evil spirits from reanimating the bodies, after the kids' murders.

[@TracyFromAus]

IF and I mean a BIG IF Chad is found not guilty of killing Tammy and the jury deem it natural causes could Lori appeal that conviction?

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

I think this is ANOTHER case of where people try to use the LDS Church as a shield to protect them from their crimes, although NONE of their deeds are in accordance with LDS doctrine. Not just this Case, but also the Ruby Franke/Jodi Hildebrandt Case, Kouri Richins Case, etc, etc, etc.

[@North_West1]

Brandon B was JJs uncle. Brandon Identified JJs body after he was found. Brandon wanted to protect Larry & Kay from have to see JJ. Uncle Brandon loved JJ.

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

Brandon B was a Saint for doing that.... imagine knowing your brother and sister are serial killers just so Chub and Lordi could be together. It would drive me over the top- but Brandon was a bigger man than me and stepped-up and helped Larry and Kay... I strive to be as brave and loving as he is.

[@LadyLuck13]

​@@SammyNeedsAnAlibiLori and Alex weren't Brandon's siblings. He was married to Lori's niece

[@LadyLuck13]

Brandon Boudreaux is the ex-husband of Lori Vallow Daybell's niece Melanie. Not an uncle

[@LilyBecca]

He was like an uncle and assumed the role of uncle because Melanie lost her mom at a young age and looked up to her Aunt Lori as a mother figure. I think technically, Brandon was cousins through marriage with JJ and Tylee.

[@raqueacevedo1509]

​​@@LadyLuck13it's just technicality...He did more than the actual "uncles". Alex was his uncle and he killed him. So gee ... does it really matter?. Haters gonna hate

[@theresa1305]

I don't believe Alex died naturally. They cremated him asap also. I wouldn't be surprised if Laurie killed her sister years prior.

[@peggygraham6129]

I think Alex killed her.

[@billyje4726]

Her sister too??

[@LilyBecca]

Also, Zulema has a story about a massage she got from Alex, where she's pretty sure he was supposed to kill her, but he chickened out. He drugged her and laid plastic down all over the bed before starting the massage. Also, shortly before his death, he told Zulema that he thought he was being set up and told her about a duffel bag full of money in the closet, in case anything happened to him. I will never be convinced that Alex died of natural causes.

[@TheTruth-kh2im]

​@@peggygraham6129yes

[@MissMolly3377]

Yeah, I think Lori and Alex did do that to her sister, years ago. I think it was their first. They should go back and see where these people lived and look at unsolved crimes. I think those two may be connected to more.

[@marykaymacshane1001]

That clip of Lori walking into court with a big smile on her face, orange prison wear saying good morning to everyone…just so crazy on so many levels!!!

[@hfrt29]

i know

[@danil3701]

RIGHT!!! Wth 👿

[@LifesPeachy321]

But she's a Superstar! 🙄She's a Legend in her own mind! 😜

[@mattsilver1550]

its very crazy , it reminds me of how the manson girls were when they were at court and brainwashed - think of how she is going to feel a couple years down the road , what a waste of life

[@hfrt29]

@@mattsilver1550 That's true, they were like that as well.

[@LeXyStAr77]

Not to mention, Charles was supposed to die during his trip to TX, but then Lori cancelled his flight home and took all his money and kicked him out the house. The jury needs to see those messages between chad and Lori discussing that. And chad said tanmy was going to die on her road trip to see her mom the weekend before the shooting attempt but didn't. And the jury needs to see Those communications from chad about that

[@MissMolly3377]

I’m sure they will.

[@robinsilver8934]

I live in north Idaho. I remember when the flier of the missing kids was hung up in the store where I work. I’ve followed this case since then. Truly sad…😢

[@brandeberryb84]

Is the part when Lori text Alex he was worthless and couldn’t do anything after the unsuccessful shooting of Tammy not allowed in chads case? Because it was definitely part of Lori’s case

[@lenedfm499]

Alex Cox' epitaph by Vinnie Politan "Died on the toilet ,followed his sister everywhere "

[@thenightporter]

😂😂😂😂 I love Vinnie.

[@kirsty3253]

I LOVE Vinnie too.... "Died on the toilet "Died on the toilet "Died on the toilet "Died on the toilet the disgrace "Died on the toilet "Died on the toilet "Died on the toilet

[@catmeow333]

Heartbreaking that Tammy yelled for Chad in what could’ve been her last moment.

[@MissMolly3377]

I find it hilarious that he instantly started blaming her and didn’t want to pay for her defense.

[@usaroxx8085]

But yet pryor was one of lori lawyers?!?!?

[@Char-Williams]

Money, Murder & Religion.

[@peggygraham6129]

Religion was what they hid behind.

[@LifesPeachy321]

@@peggygraham6129 ...and Lust is what Chad sought and was able to easily manipulate Lori by making her believe she was this deity she so desperately wanted to be. Imagine being so full of yourself that all it took was one manipulative person to tell you _you're wish has been granted_ ...you are this powerful goddess! Only someone that was so consumed with themselves would believe that!

[@erikachavez9036]

Alex and Tammy’s death are not a coincidence

[@blackpatronXO]

Nor Joseph Ryan, IMO. Alex intentionally shot Charles and the siblings deaths are all a bit odd now we know what we know. So many deaths in one family. That’s not normal.

[@IcantSitStill74]

@@blackpatronXOAlso perhaps Lori & Alex's sister who died years ago - News articles way back said Alex was with her, while the rest of the family went on holidays & that he spent the sister's money after her death. Sickening.

[@LifesPeachy321]

I think Chad "ordered" the hit on Alex and Zulema IMO appears to be the most likely kiIIer _or suicide_ because he realized he was the fall guy. IDK because the police took the easy way out of that and just declared it "natural." Lazy Lazy Lazy! That's why we will never see Melanie P, Melanie G or Zulema prosecuted.

[@gabriellehill716]

Thank God for the grandparents

[@jeslynn1144]

They literally were serial killers… stopped.

[@lucyluzhuerta]

damn that's freakin sad even the detective choked up when he was testifying. pos ppl

[@brandeberryb84]

The news delivery blond person sounds like she’s trying out for different cartoon voice overs. 😵‍💫

[@aliciathegem3243]

Terrible the whole delivery is inappropriate for the story

[@LeXyStAr77]

It was smart of the prosecution to have shown all the emails and texts between Lori and chad and even Charles and Lori and chad and Tammy, to show the jury that chad KNEW about the money and conspired about the money....im sure Prior will try and say "all we've heard today with these accounts is that Lori was the person dealing with the Social Security money, not chad"... But because the jury seen and heard all the times Chad spoke about the money with Lori his defense can't claim he didn't know, he was just a husband and Lori and her accounts were separate.

[@jaysutterland5417]

Indeed. The way they laid everything out was absolutely amazing 🤩. Can someone say roasted chad ?

[@esmelaubser7704]

Very informative summary of this case, thanks Vinnie

[@robertawilkes6531]

It is so disgusting killing those children, there is no way Chad did not know

[@crystalinabacteria3430]

I'm shocked at how many deaths there are! Great reporting Thanks 👍

[@designerdiva87]

Watching from the UK each evening. Have followed this case since the beginning. Thanks for your excellent reporting Vinnie

[@francescawilliams8177]

Is @CourtTv trying to annoy us with the music or they don’t read comments. I want to hear what Vinnie is saying about this tragedy not suspense music like a Marvel film.

[@kristenhurst683]

Over and over pride is the reason for murder. Whether it's "I'm special" or "I'm smarter than you" or "Only I can have you" or "I can't divorce this person, it would look bad" or "I'm beautiful" etc. It is truly a deadly sin.

[@Scorpio.Iamher.]

Lori's niece, Melanie, should also be held accountable for the attempted murder of her ex-husband, Brandon. It is unlikely that Alex would have acted alone and targeted Brandon without a motive. Melanie is the one who orchestrated the attack, as evidenced by her knowledge of Brandon's new address, which she likely shared with Alex in order to carry out the plan.

[@reginaquintana5231]

Why is melanie not being accountable for anything

[@Theworstwitch72]

I hope she is never left alone with her own kids she is just as evil and warped as the other 3

[@EmiliaJay]

Which one? Gibb, or Lori’s niece?

[@LadyLuck13]

​@@EmiliaJayboth but I think they mean niece

[@leahyamazaki5241]

Wish court tv would make a visual chart of the timeline and what happened when

[@MikedeGarry]

Yep there's a helluva lot to get our heads around in this complicated series of events!

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

I think this is ANOTHER case of where people try to use the LDS Church as a shield to protect them from their crimes, although NONE of their deeds are in accordance with LDS doctrine. Not just this Case of Chub and Lordi Dumbell, but also the Ruby Franke/Jodi Hildebrandt Case, Kouri Richins Case, etc, etc, etc.

[@AnotherOpinionatedIdiot]

Cults create dangerous people.

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

The LDS church recommended jodi! Even after she was stopped for a few months and had people complaining about her. The LDS church should be partially responsible for what happened to the kids..

[@madeathinks7578]

The difference between how the prosecution presented Lori’s case and this case is very interesting. With Lori they came out of the gate with emotion. Here they seem to be focusing on data and financials.

[@lindaaitken7679]

I think because they were her children.

[@jeslynn1144]

They know they’ve won

[@Beth-bu8ho]

Thank you for all you do to keep us informed! Watching from south Louisiana

[@ednareiman4554]

How could they do that?Its totally beyond evil.

[@monsue7056]

It's satanic 💔

[@kimtaylor3866]

Huge props to Brandon. He went with his gut, and wasn't f@#%ing around. Took his kids and did a peace out. Outstanding job by him.

[@ShelleySorenson]

Yup. Did he save his and his kids' lives. Was his wife in on the plot? Lori stated that after Brandon died, they would have his insurance. How would she know he had insurance if Brandon's wife (Lori's neice hadn't told her?)

[@kimtaylor3866]

@@ShelleySorenson correct. 2 of their kids were marked as dark spirits as well. He saved himself and his kids.

[@ladyvanilla3]

Lori's family benefiting from her actions, by being pannel members, feels weird to me

[@LeXyStAr77]

Also,,, it shows that if Lori didn't want to be a mom she could have given jj to Kay and Larry,,, and Tylee was only staying around because of jj,,,she could have moved anywhere,,, Kay and larry would have taken her, Her friends in Hawaii would have taken her, or even Aunt Summer...but lori didn't do that. Lori changed the social security money to go into her own account a month before she killed them,, and chad spoke enough about why the kids needed to be "saved" from the evil spirit that dwelled within them.

[@Kareyn2]

Sickening all about $$$. The way his daughter went right into finance mode. “You’re not coming back? Okay I’ll give up my place snd move in here”, I’ll put money on your books”…Whaaaatt!!!

[@annemariemchugh4341]

It is absolutely sick vinnie.He has no emotion..

[@sandraconnor4019]

You could not write what these evil pair have done !!!

[@drctrs]

Funny how Lori's relatives suddenly became prolific authors and crime bloggers after she was arrested. A family of ultimate grifters. Have no sympathy whatsoever for either of them. they profited and keep profiting from the deaths of those kids. Same can be said about the children of Chad - they took bloody money from him, literlly, and keep defending him, as it seems, mostly to keep his money, but at least they didn't throw him under the proverbial bus and haven't started writing the terrible books about him... yet. I guess it's what in store for them next when they eventually loose all their money in the upcoming civil suits.

[@MissMolly3377]

Yes. Blood money. They’re disgraceful.

[@lisajeter9511]

Is there anything new to be learned from this trial that we don’t already know from Lori’s trial?

[@michealvorhees5600]

I watched Lori’s trial very closely. I will say there is new evidence. I think yesterday we saw raw body cam and police vehicle footage of Chad and his daughter Emma. That was new to the case. Some other things too have come out. It’s hard sometimes to know what’s new and not. Plus Chad’s defense lawyer is actually fighting back and bringing new evidence to the surface as well. They are definitely trying to put the blame on Lori.

[@dakalodk]

The video between emma and chad

[@love2watchmovies1]

Yes there has been new evidence presented.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

Yes, have you watched Lorie’s trial. She refused to share any information. She wouldn’t allow her attorney to put any blame on Chad. She shut them up! Plus we didn’t get to see all these texting messages from Lorie and Chad.

[@mistymac9345]

Not really

[@calli9296]

Lot of body’s around two people

[@leahyamazaki5241]

I think Alex was either murdered, or talked into taking his own life some sort of sick crap…that thought came after listening to that “blessing” and Alex was crying..it was like a goodbye

[@thenightporter]

Interesting theory!

[@koopadk1296]

THANK YOU, you used Daybell for Lori. It's been bugging me for years that people still use Vallow, she does not deserve it.

[@BusyMagnaBee]

What I took away from the testimony about Cox’s credit card account is that Vallow was put on Cox’s credit card account AFTER she met Daybell and that credit card account was used to purchase airline tickets for Daybell. So, Cox was helping Vallow keep her relationship with Daybell secret from her then husband, Charles Vallow. What struck me about Daybell’s response to the discovery of children’s bodies on his property was his LACK of response. I think it’s fair to say most people would be shocked, upset, disbelieving or any number of EMOTIONS. Daybell seemed to be resigned. Is it a coincidence that Brandon Boudreaux saw a rifle with what looked like a silencer on it on Oct 2, 2019 when he was shot at and then Tammy sees a gun that she reports as a “paintball gun” on Oct 9, 2019.

[@lisawarren3239]

Vinnie, you did an amazing job describing all of Lori's marriages, but you forgot about all the times that Lori and Chad were married in previous life's. 😜

[@bonnieanderson1029]

His eyes r soooo Creepy😮

[@pw191164]

I don't think Chad killed anyone including his wife, Alex was Lori's executioner, it would appear he was carrying out her orders way before she was involved with Chad, there are too many dead bodies surrounding Lori. That's not to say Chad didn't know about Tammy and the kids, that would make for conspiracy. Lori was the manipulator and driving force behind all these crimes.

[@ShelleySorenson]

Chad is the one who said people were dark and/or ready to die, then poof! They were gone.

[@Babyyodathetrucker83777]

Y’all are my new favorite channel!!!!

[@mikehyde5714]

How come no one has brought up the other deaths? Were her sisters death natural or did Alex/lori or other family members murdered them… It’s rare to have two murders in one family.

[@suziehart6581]

Lauren! ❤

[@estherdawson849]

Watching from New Zealand 🇳🇿 Vinnie your presentation style is great, thank you for doing what you do.

[@LadyLuck13]

I thought that was Anastasia Pokreshchuk for a minute ..oops! 😂

[@nikinots6711]

Hahaha! I can see what you mean

[@MichaelBriggs-]

Was Alex Cox cremated or buried? I can't imagine if he was buried they wouldn't have done a autopsy

[@designerdiva87]

He was cremated

[@NotSoNormal1987]

I have a hard time believing that he died of natural causes.

[@raysha9932]

Are his kids in court ive been asking this

[@annemariemchugh4341]

We will get these.

[@janetdouglas1272]

I can't wait for the 2 Melanie's to be charged as co- conspirators in this horror show.

[@SmilingCherryBlossoms-so2tn]

Thanks for all you do, l think anyone around Lori that died suddenly should be looked at including her sisters brother, when they killed Joe Ryan it’s was easy for Lori no one was charged why not try again thank God they are both locked up no one is safe around those 2

[@carlabraenne3469]

The 2 things about this testimony that are really demented. Is the fact that number one Chad called them a quote? " clean couple, obviously. He doesn't know the definition of clean and 2 I bet you are dime to a donut lori. When she closed her daughter's account said it was because she was being irresponsible and spending too much money. Both are just they're delusional

[@b.valentine5283]

They need to fire that female newscaster. How has no one told her that the voice and cadence shes chosen to use sounds cartoonish? It sounds like shes making a parody of true crime and it feels direspectful to the victims.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

It would be hard to be assigned to this case in any way. Truly does bring us to tears. The more I learn how evil and calculating in plotting murder to good loving innocent people. They couldn’t stand the freedom good people have with living in peace inside them. That freedom it gives us spiritually. People like Lorie & Alex, Chad, are the kind of people who attack what they can’t achieve.

[@kathywhitaker1042]

Can't he be charged with conspiracy to commit murder for the death of Charles???

[@southerncaltattooedbiker3643]

You would think so I don't know why they didn't charge him unless they believe he will be found guilty and put to death in Idaho

[@JillyMae89]

I think they are

[@southerncaltattooedbiker3643]

@@JillyMae89 he's not been charged in Arizona as of now I live in Arizona and you can look it up on line it's only her

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

That’s what the attorney’s are putting together right now. You’ll hear their summery in closing arguments. They have to reveal first.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

@@southerncaltattooedbiker3643 Lorie will be in a trial for Charles death in Arizona. I know Arizona has the death penalty. I hope it’s on the table in her trial.

[@mistymac9345]

I feel so sorry for Kay and Larry. They loved JJ so much 😔

[@sherreywurz731]

If it walks like a duck talks like a duck. ITS A DUCK

[@RivaDog1100]

Could anyone explain to me why Melani B is not charged for the shooting of Brandon, please?

[@ThePathOfLeastResistanc]

No proof is my guess

[@isabellflorence4956]

Alex was like a kid playing army roles. Silly costumes and alleged stealth except using real guns.

[@lisasalinas-gruver160]

He cares more about her kids than she does.

[@mayamohamed9847]

The news reporter the blonde woman. Plz be natural so uncomfortable listening to you and more uncomfortable while Vinnie so natural in his speech we get to listen to this reporter

[@MaggieMay757]

She was ok to begin with but now more and more seems to be trying to sound like Chandley Painter.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

The 911 operator who took Tammy’s call should of asked Tammy (how do you know it was a paint ball gun)? Because that was brought up in court we don’t know what kind of gun it was. I think Chad planted that idea too.

[@tiffanyking8791]

I’d bet $1million that WASN’T a paintball gun but she mistook it for one bc it had a silencer on it. Plus, she didn’t want to believe that her own husband was conspiring with his mistress to kill her. However, I truly believe that she had a gut wrenching intuition that after getting shot at, she knew he was trying to kill her but Tammy was in denial bc she didn’t want to believe that he’d murder her to be with a woman that he’d only known for such a short period of time. She didn’t know her husband was starting a cult w all these outrageous ideals.

[@Scorpio.Iamher.]

Chad and Lori have committed the heinous act of murder, yet they cunningly use their faith as a shield to deceive those around them and conceal their true, criminal intentions. In an attempt to appease his conscience, Chad transferred funds to his children's bank accounts, but this gesture only highlights his guilt. After all, if they were truly innocent, there would be no need for such actions.

[@ginobee]

Money, love, sex, God and cults. This case has some of everything. No wonder so many people follow the story. CD and LD are vile.

[@sandraperkins7706]

Reminds me of how the pharisees started going beyond the mosaic law saying Jesus & diciples washing hands above the elbow Mark 2:7, trying to make themselves better. Only falling to sin in the worst way.

[@laurataylor8179]

This is a much better trial then Lori's He is putting up a fight love it

[@JenniferRay-h1i]

Thank God for updates, I don't know who's worse to listen to 🤦Lindsay Blake or Chad's lawyer, its like listening to cardboard and a clown, don't get me started on the judge. I never want to hear these three speak again

[@sandraperkins7706]

I hope they ask him about this "Zombies" thing !!!

[@tigerlancer]

When the children's corpses were being pulled from Chad's yard and chad took off down the road and was arrested shortly thereafter. Did chad flee the crime scene because he planned to go on the run or understanding the implications, he was going to commit suicide somewhere scenic?

[@esmelaubser7704]

How did all the accidental deaths go undetected

[@brandeberryb84]

I think Chad was present for all the deaths. There isn’t any reason not to.

[@darrellhicks360]

Gee… this has even more than Lori

[@lisajeter9511]

I still can’t get over all the smiles Lori seemed to keep on her face during all of this Tragedy. She is the Poster child of Pure Evilness!

[@dakalodk]

This is a crazy couple

[@ginnytorres3278]

Laurie's elder son, literally dodged the bullet

[@whereismyxanax]

"one of them died in the toilet"😂

[@julie-c7e7f]

pure evil sooooo evil i dont think the devil will accept her or him

[@shanancovacevich4303]

They way that woman walked into thst court rokm talking laughing smiling...some people dont even realise the twisted world they are.

[@MrBetc]

Two murderous lying thieves, definitely made for each other.

[@MarthaWoodworth-f9s]

Lori is the very definition of of a “femme fatale” - with emphasis on the “fatal.” As for Chad: he’s an emotionless zombie.

[@susien7323]

OK this is really out there but it just hit me when you flashed the picture of Tylee and she was made up and very pretty sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle. No Hawaiian T-shirt, she looked more beautiful than Lori. Does anybody also think that Lori was jealous of Tylee? She was absolutely loving as a big sister, I’m sure it took the load off of Lori with JJ. She had an income without having to get married. Tylee as a teenager has the beautiful looks, but she’s kind and she’s loving and she’s empathic, she’s got Social Security benefits without having to marry anybody. I think Lori’s deep down jealous of her daughter. Within 2 Years Tylee physically would have blossomed and become more beautiful than her weathered Botox mother. I feel there’s an underline jealousy and of course the money. Please let me know what you think

[@carrow1057]

What is happening NOW between Lori and Melanie, that was the next Q Vinnie!

[@sherreywurz731]

Yes Lori evil. But Chad every bit as evil. Both in it all along.together and with Alex till he died.

[@danil3701]

She makes my stomach turn.. smiling and laughing. Another evil, sick, twisted ..... and he just looks evil evil.. poor babies

[@erikachavez9036]

Not to mention if Chad had any guns at his home. Tammy knew what a gun and a paintball looked like

[@kimnolte237]

Believe me, Alex was on trial the minute he died. Ironically, someone wound not render CPR on him either in his last moments!!

[@Bonddm2002]

How has Lori’s mini-me - Melanie - not been charged with anything?!

[@michaelseibold9977]

Profit Jos Smith here. Chad and Lori are definitely getting their own planet. Right next to my planet and jesus is right up the road!

[@catherinehargrave9539]

Tylee’s SS $$ was very shortly running out at age 18. I think Lori’s main motivation to kill Tylee was that Tylee knew too much about Charles’ murder. JJ however represented a potential lifetime of round-the-clock caregiving. And his SS $$ would have continued for many years, and Lori was desperate for $$ after the shock of not getting Charles’ $1 million LI payout.

[@jenniferbailey5914]

They both thought they were the chosen ones instead they were pure evil.

[@margaretmorris-calderon2826]

Attorney Prior & Chad screwed up having separate trials. If they’d of kept them together then Chad wouldn’t be possibly facing the death penalty. It’s looking really bad for Chad, too bad for him.

[@treeyellow4627]

I need a graph or chart to figure this out. So messed up!

[@LifesPeachy321]

*Have Chad's kids been investigated?* I mean they went from _wow, that's pretty strange_ to _wow, that makes more sense!_ And I'm referring to the little chat Emma and Chad had when he was sitting in the police car when they were searching for the kids bodies in his backyard. *No Shock, No Questions* as to why bodies are buried in his backyard. Plus his son's presence when his mother was found deceased makes me wonder if he may have had a hand in her demise... _Not Alex!_ We've all seen that the kids don't give a flying hoot about their mother.

[@isabellflorence4956]

Well probably never know but I’d love to know why JJ’s body was treated differently than Tylee’s. JJ was buried by a tree, wrapped up. Tylee’s body was destroyed and buried with dead animals. Why? So much hate and rage towards her.

[@ladyvanilla3]

Pure evil