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[@raymondjackson6069]

I am in the service industry. And the price is the price. I don't expect anymore. I don't expect any less. I get tipped all the time. If it's a penny. If it's a dollar. If it's $100. Great, and I appreciate it!! But I didn't expect it, and that is WHAT A TIP IS! But the price is the price, and I am grateful to get that, for I have set it for what I think it was worth. The price I charge, make me happy. Anything else, just make me happier. If at the end of the day, you are not happy with what you have earned. Charge more, and don't expect tips to be your salary.

[@audreymuzingo933]

Well if you earn more than the tipped wage for service workers, then you don't rely on the tips and they are just extra. But at a restaurant or food delivery, the pay is nowhere near a living wage, so yes tips are expected, or the people can just get their own food.

[@mars_12345]

​@@audreymuzingo933 erm, no. As a business owner, set prices and whole model to be able to pay your workers appropriately. And do so, instead of screwing them over. The whole point of this rant. Give it a watch, cause you clearly haven't.

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@mars_12345 And you think you're going to change how a business pays their workers by not tipping one worker? No, you're just going to take that poor person's time for nothing, like a selfish piece of trash. Quit trying to justify being a cheapskate by acting like you're shaking up the system! It's going to literally take an act of government to force businesses to pay living wages. Until then, just go get fast food in a bag, and drive your own car there by the way.

[@mars_12345]

@@audreymuzingo933 I am not eating take outs. I am using my feet to go to the grocery store, use self-service checkout, get back, prepare and eat my meal. And stop trying to insult people. I get it, it's a hard job at its current state, but as it was said in the video, which I highly recommend you actually watch, aim your anger at the employer, not consumer.

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@mars_12345 I watched the video. It's a position as stale as it was in 1991 when I started waiting tables for $2.13 an hour, -and the wage is still $2.13 an hour. I no longer do tipped work; I run my own business, but my body is a lot more broken than it should be at only 50, from years of working in dine-in restaurants and pizza delivery, which by the way you only see a small part of those jobs -there is also tons of cleaning, usually cooking too, carrying huge boxes around, washing dishes, etc. The fact that restaurant owners get away with paying workers so little IS an outrage, and I usually agree with everything this youtuber says, but here he doesn't know what he's talking about. Advocating stiffing tip-dependent workers is fucked up, period. And his other video on this subject is just as bad. Customers are not going to fix this issue by not tipping individual workers, thinking if they just ask their boss for a several-dollars/hour raise they're going to get it. That's absurd. They would literally have to be FORCED by law.

[@i9erek]

The whole purpose of the tipping model is so that employees get mad at the customer and not their boss. I see it's working like a charm.

[@TheFrenchPug]

That's a great observation. We'll, I guess the customer is the only face they see when at work

[@kirche7]

its actually so that they can lower the prices of the food making the food look less expensive despite you making up the cost on the tip, the tips usually work in favor of the employee as well, they would rather have tips than a "livable wage" because they'd make less money, they're mad at the customer for not tipping because they're greedy, they have no reason to be mad at their employer.

[@TheBooban]

@@kirche7 yes. Companies have to not pay their workers because of this; competitors will do it and their prices will be lower. And then tipping is a % too, so even the tip is lower. But tipping is part of law. If you want change, it is not the company’s fault, not customer, not employee. It’s your politicians.

[@Ritefita]

this is capitalism and it can't be other way. everybody should read Lenin. all the rights to repair, everything is about it

[@alf3071]

that's a pretty accurate description, I wonder how many other areas of life misdirect that anger

[@DarianBrown]

If you are required to pay a tip, it isn't a tip, it is a fee.

[@GruppeSechs]

It's basically just a second food tax at this point.

[@crescentprincekronos2518]

​@@GruppeSechsno more like recouping the cost. Money and thus services/goods are circular. We subsidize so many things as a society that it obfuscates the reality that even the amount we pay is not enough to sustain the system.

[@foxronyo]

The problem is that the tipping model is used as an incentive to make employees go above and beyond at work. Unfortunately, as a result, when an employee does everything they believe justifies a tip, and they do not receive one, they can become bitter about it. I believe that tipping should only be used for when you receive exceptional service, which goes above the living wage the employee is already receiving.

[@RedVRCC]

It basically is in the case of doordash. You can attach a tip before the order even goes out and you can add one on after the fact. If you don't give a reasonable tip, most dashers will decline it and your food will sit there getting cold and taking forever to arrive.

[@TooThPasTe07]

all i gotta say is “Don’t hate the player, hate the game”.😂

[@superpieton]

She hung up on him because she was afraid. The delivery guy is aggressive and looks / sounds dangerous. Why would you want to talk to such people?

[@howyoudurrinhunneh]

If you are a shitty tipper and afraid of people why are you having them come to your home with food they had in their car?

[@TheStormyClouds]

Exactly. Many people order doordash in order to avoid confrontation and minimize interaction. To then have someone banging so hard on the door it scares you then calling and aggressively asking about a tip, obviously you're gonna hang up.

[@purplespark8]

Completely agree. This guy was being crazy. I wouldn't even open the door until he was away

[@xhivo97]

I would be so scared and maybe call for help. People like that are dangerous I was stunned Louis didn't pick up on that.

[@GruppeSechs]

Nah, hanging up was a bad move. It could have made him even more mad. She was stupid and rude and it could have ended ugly. Just tell the guy "I'm sorry if it's frustrating, but I don't believe in tip culture." Give him SOMETHING instead of just hanging up. She sounds like a loser just as he said. Not that I'm justifying him throwing a tantrum.

[@DezzRiVv]

I can't blame the customer for hanging up. If some dude started beating on my door enough to shake the house and was raising his voice on the phone, I'd be terrified.

[@Potte]

Fair, but counterpoint: the idea of someone calmly explaining to bootleg Steve Bautista over here that they think the $30 they paid is fair, and that the man about to burst a blood vessel over $3 should go to Doordash and ask for more money, is absolutely magical and hilarious and I am here for it.

[@Fooney1]

Who cares about blame or whos fault it is? You people are eating spit.

[@Immudzen]

Tipping needs to go away. People need to be paid fairly for their work.

[@thedrunkweddingphotographer]

100%

[@harshbarj]

Like it is in MANY European coutries. Those that claim tips encourages good service have never been to a European restaurant where tipping is not required.

[@BradleyGibbs]

The problem is that people view your comments as contradictory.

[@The_Gallowglass]

You have no idea what you're talking about. If you were a waiter or a driver you'd understand that would kill them.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@harshbarj Give me an example of an European restaurant and the wages or salary of wait staff.

[@djbearrr]

If not tipping means your delivery person abuses you or your food it means it's no longer a tip, it's blackmail.

[@deezelfairy]

​@@DellikkilleD No, you've paid for your food and you've paid for a delivery fee - you've paid for your service you should receive it. Come to my house with a 'give me money or I'm gonna be a aggressive asshole' attitude you'll be leaving it on your back...

[@HoloScope]

@@deezelfairy Don’t order food if you’re not going to tip, I don’t see why people think somehow not tipping the worker is going to hurt the trash employer. It’s only hurting the worker.

[@HoloScope]

@@deezelfairy If you’re that broke then just go drive/bike/walk/take a bus to Taco Bell. And no I don’t work in the service industry or do this doordash or uber gig work, so think of a better argument.

[@AndrewTheFrank]

Exactly how I feel. That we're not giving tips because of good service but to avoid bad service. Its all extortion.

[@alainportant6412]

@@deezelfairy do you want to assault the asshole

[@isontenney2001]

She hung up because she was intimidated by the obviously angry delivery guy. Avoidance was her safest option.

[@dulcilass]

Probably wanted to have the phone free to call the police if needed.

[@aureateseigneur5317]

She hung up because she knew fucked up.

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

Tipping culture now reminds me of the story of some foreigner tipping 8% on a horrible waiter, to be kind despite the service, and after they pointed out that standard tipping percentages in the country were 10%, the foreigner had them clear the tip so they could "fix it". The foreigner cleared the tip and happily put a 0% tip on the check and told them there they go.

[@Soapy-chan]

based

[@Bandrik]

Haha, brilliant!

[@overbuiltlimited]

Then there is the opposite situation. I used to wait tables at a high end restaurant in Miami in the early ninties. One day I had a large party that took up my entire section. Very wealthy patrons from Brazil. I busted my ass for hours (yes some people take that long when at a nice restaurant) catering to their every need. The bill was enormous. The meal went off without a hitch. They were happy with the service. They left zero tip. Ruined my night as they left after closing. There was definitely a difference in the tips I received depending on where the diners were from. In my experience Brazilians were the worst. It was a running joke in the restaurant. When Brazilians sat at your table, you didn't expect a tip.

[@Suzuki_Hiakura]

@@overbuiltlimited That sounds awful, but reminds me of someone doing the same by leaving a folded 20-dollar bill under a jar of something. When the waiter would unfold it, it would have an advertisement for a church printed on the other side... honestly would be pissed at that church

[@StellaEFZ]

@@overbuiltlimited In Brazil tipping someone is actually seen as very rude because it implies the person can't afford to buy stuff. Moreover, there's a service tax in the bill that's 10% of the total (Some are 15% but the most common value is 10%) so it "forces" you to tip anyway

[@havenbastion]

When tipping is mandatory it's a fee.

[@martin-1965]

In the UK the only time I leave a tip is at my discretion at a restaurant. It's usually not as massive as 20% and more like 10% and staff never harass you for it either. I also might tip a delivery driver but its been years since I bothered with delivery food as I hate the gig economy model and what it is doing to people's expectations of what a real job is, where you are employed and have some security. Years ago in Los Angeles I can remember one barman who was really aggressive to a large group of us Brits who had spent a fortune in the bar that night because we didn't leave a massive tip. We were like "WTF?" as you never tip barstaff in the UK or pretty much anywhere else in Europe (because people get paid by their employer - crazy idea I know). When I worked in bars we were told we could NOT accept tips by the manager. Fair enough, we got paid by the bar an didn't accept them. Louis is, as almost always, 100% correct here again as are you - it's NOT a tip, it's a delivery fee. If that's the case just add it to the sodding bill already. Jeez, sometimes I'm so glad I miss out on American freedom.

[@havenbastion]

@@martin-1965 I am a gig economy worker who supports your decision not to support this system.

[@munsters2]

RE:havenbastion. It is extortion.

[@DarkXair]

@@martin-1965In my country tip was just rounding to get less coins.

[@martin-1965]

@@DarkXairSame... always "keep the change" :)

[@that_is_not_me]

Even self-checkout machines are asking for tips now, it's absolutely insane.

[@mks-h]

lol what

[@AB-hu4fc]

You do know that by using the self checkout machine you are now doing work for the store that they would have to pay a cashier to do. So now you go in to buy your items then have to ring it up and bag it up without getting anything in return for doing the work that the store would have had to pay a cashier to do. So do not be expecting Social Security to be around because machines do not pay into it and your doing the work that the store would have had to pay an employee to do.

[@mks-h]

@@AB-hu4fc that's some weird logic. You are doing nothing more than what you would with a regular cashier ­- putting items on, putting them in the bag, paying. It's the machine that does the work. And I love these machines.

[@SirenaSpades]

If you are so fearful you feel pressured to tip by a MACHINE, you need therapy.

[@AB-hu4fc]

@@mks-h It is you that is doing the work/, The machine does not do anything without you waving an item in front of it. That is why you are doing work that the store employee should be doing but since you are willing to do the work for the store why should they bother paying an employee to do it? The machine also places your items into the bag for you too, wait no that is work you did for free. Like I said I will not work for free and will stand in line waiting for a cashier to ring up my items and bag them for me. If you have a Winco shop there they ring your items up but you bag them that way Winco does not have to hire an employee to do that and are able to keep their prices lower than most stores. This make sence to me.

[@shirakorimio1363]

Everything you said about value exchange and the employer is 100% spot on. I don't think the person who hung up is at fault at all though. That's a safety thing and a fear thing, I don't blame them whatsoever for hanging up because they, as a consumer, have no obligation to teach business to anyone, especially when their safety felt threatened. On that, I could not disagree with you more, but I do see the point you're trying to make.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

I'd be afraid of the delivery guy if he was banging on my door too. I'm aware of the tipping culture in America and it does exist from where I live too just not to this extent. But I always thought that tipping was not mandatory like this. At least it feels like a societal level, everyone is forced to tip which defeats the point of what tipping is.

[@blackdandelion5549]

I agree. Not everyone who does door dash or w/e is a nice and friendly person. If they called me and banged on my door I'd be scared and worried they were aggressive and I would be ready to call PD.

[@dancooper6002]

@@blackdandelion5549 "ready to call PD" why? So they could find whats left of you? Doesn't solve anything.

[@truckermikemct1]

Here's one for you. A couple days ago I visited an electronic store here in the Philippines to purchase an external HDD for my laptop. The employees were very polite and served me well. Mounted in front of the cashier's area was a plastic tip box, the type with a small slot on the top. I asked the employees who receives the tips. They informed me that the owner does. I told them I would have left a tip if the money were for them. I attempted to hand them a few PHPs and they declined, telling me there is CCTV and they would be fired if they accepted any tips. I then thanked them and walked out the door.

[@kylejames8458]

I hope you left a scathing review for the owner of that business. Hell, you should put the business' name here

[@truckermikemct1]

I forgot to mention that the owner is Chinese.

[@MethodiousMind]

I heard years ago that Chinese own everything in the Philippines.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@MethodiousMind Pure Chinese from mainland China don't but some do own a decent amount of assets. But in reality there are a lot of rich Filipino-Chinese instead. Like they're ethnically mixed, not just by nationality. And most of them don't really like main land china from what I remember.

[@ZenobiaofPalmyra]

@@Martin-yh7vi The Republic of China is clearly not sending their best.

[@PyroCatus]

I'm from a country without tipping culture so when you actually tip, people feel grateful for it instead of feeling entitled to a tip.

[@The_Gallowglass]

So your country does have a tipping culture, it's just different.

[@TheBooban]

@@The_Gallowglass actually, they sometimes can feel insulted. Had it rejected once by a bartender.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@TheBooban That's pride for you. Sinful really.

[@TheGhostFart]

@@The_Gallowglass your mental gymnastics are confusing

[@The_Gallowglass]

@TheGhostFart This isn't gymnastics. You're in the wrong class. You'll wanna go down the hall to 105B. That's probably why you're confused.

[@Nadine_D7]

They need to get rid of the tipping culture. I think USA is the only country that have this tipping culture.

[@Livingvapour]

Unfortunately it bleeds into Canada too. Please save us.

[@jinga9862]

New York tried and tipped workers protested because as they claimed, "it would be a pay cut."

[@phlodel]

@@jinga9862 Fuck 'em. get a better paying job.

[@tvviewer4500]

Who are you the IRS? The USA is hardly the only country that have tipping. You might just be a degenerate no-tipping bum

[@Rathial]

@@tvviewer4500 not sure if sarcasm; but the USA is the only one that weaponizes tipping culture to avoid paying a living wage to employees

[@Antumarin]

If a person reacts that way to having no tip, pacing around my apartment, spam calling me and knocking my door with such strength, I wouldn't feel very compelled to try and reason with them, much less giving my reasoning to give no tip

[@wizewizard1840]

As a German I just find it hilarious how dumb and fucked up most of the stuff in the USA is. This tipping bullshit is one of those things.

[@AAbattery444]

"the wool that tipping culture has pulled over everybody's eyes is it causes employees to be mad at the customer rather than to be mad at their boss." What a damn powerful statement.

[@thatslegit]

its the same for being under payed for a job that demands way too much. I worked at a place that dealt with furniture, appliances, and electronics and i was required to assemble and set up every desktop, and load every couch to customers car by myself for a check that would make a job at McDonald economically viable. because of that i simply hid away from customers since it wasnt worth my time or knew they want me to load a stove in their suv

[@FirstnameLastname-gy4bz]

Tipping is demanding to steal

[@blest5132]

they did the same for recycling and the environment, the companies make the plastic and profit from it BUT it's our responsibility to clean up, the gov't & corporations destroyed the environment and once again it's because we're driving the cars that all these companies make billions selling. they make the money, we get the heat.

[@xwarmangle]

LMFAO! When you order delivery from DD YOU are the "boss" YOU are paying the dashers wages

[@xwarmangle]

@@thatslegit 100

[@IrwinDeGannes]

Tipping has evolved from offering funds for exceptional and fast service, if you have the extra to put out... to a mandatory requirement for every transaction in the service industry. Absolutely ridiculous!

[@Lynxdoc]

This is true. The driver should be paid for quick and reliable service and they customer should never before forced to add is an an express fee on top of delivery.

[@rhobidderskag1121]

@@Lynxdocou aren’t. You just have take the evil eye and bare it. That’s the cost of shooting through the hostage to make your point. We the employees didn’t ask for the bum commission model, but it’s what we’ve got to live off of.

[@NATIK001]

@@rhobidderskag1121 Take it out on your boss, he is the asshole exploiting you AND the customer. If we work together we can stop this idiotic system, but every useful idiot who just throws up their hands, and goes "this is just the way things are," and then gets mad at those exploited instead of the exploiters for not going along with being exploited, is helping the exploitation continue. I can already hear you starting to call such collective action impossible, but it works in many places. Try to tip outside tourist areas in much of northern Europe for example and you will get told to take your money back by the server him/herself, because they are paid enough, and if they accept tips they undermine themselves and their fellow servers. Education, community spirit and working together can end this bullshit. Like many other issues in society, the critical first step however is to make people even believe it is possible, and that is where we fail at the moment.

[@chrisgg80]

a lot of people fail to realize mostly in the service industry that they actually have no hourly wage. I worked as a server in a restaurant for 6 months and got paid 1.50 an hour as base pay. Your whole paycheck is relying on tips, and the sad reality is that this is how 99% of service jobs are now. After realizing this is how service jobs work, I decided to quit and find something else as soon as possible.

[@IrwinDeGannes]

@@chrisgg80 In my country we have a minimum wage which all companies must pay their employees. When you look at a price list of what things cost, a tip is not included in the cost of that item. The fact that employers are making employees reliant on tips to survive should be criminal. We need to start shifting blame from the customers back to the employers for creating this issue in the first place.

[@michaelblacktree]

You hit the nail on the head. Employers are using tips as an excuse for shitty wages. So now, employees NEED those tips, just to make ends meet. I experienced this briefly, when I tried driving for Uber. I did the math, and if you didn't get X amount of tips in a day, you were making less than minimum wage. IMO that should be illegal, but Uber gets away with it. I gave Uber the middle finger, and will never do business with them again. That said, I never took it out on the customers. It's not their fault that Uber is exploitative. But whenever I got a chance, I would tell them how exploitative Uber really is. For some of them, it was a revelation.

[@KittenBowl1]

Uber is exploitative in other countries too. They come here and try to enforce their disgusting policies of tipping in a country where we have ZERO tipping culture. We feel like we have been colonized actually. And this is food delivery actually. The food prices are already 15-20% more expensive while the restaurant doesn’t get paid nor the driver. I really hate Uber, I now directly order from restaurants.

[@TUTruth]

No issues changing the tipping culture, but when they start paying what they should, expect menu prices to go up and even more than 20%.

[@dudeonbike800]

Not only do workers NEED the tips to survive, they're actually TAXED on their tips. When taxes started getting levied on workers, they were no longer "optional." Going out to eat means you're paying a tip. If you cannot afford the tip, then you cannot afford to eat out. Pretty simple.

[@AG-kb7yb]

Aaaand they still use uber

[@shadefangkweep]

Don't know for uber, as IIRC they pull some bullshit with independent contractors vs employees, but for a normal business it _is_ illegal. The tipped wage assumes tips, and if your tips don't make up the difference between tipped wage and minimum wage the employer is required to make up the difference. That being said, they're likely not going to, and if they have to you'll likely be fired.

[@MrWelsh89]

I live in the EU Netherlands and I've never tipped somebody. I seems so strange and out of place for me. Employers should always provide for their employees. This delivery guy should have been fired if it were up to me

[@purplespark8]

Yes. We should never tip. Waiters and drivers are doing their job just as everyone does theirs.

[@Budrew21]

@@purplespark8 Yep, they should be paid like everyone else too.

[@buntawrx]

As a European this is absolutely insane. Tips are supposed to show how much you liked the service you're provided, not a mandatory upping of the final payment for the service. A few days ago, my wife and I bought a 43" TV, and called an Uber to get us home. The driver was nice and helped with the TV, and we were very happy with the ride, so I tipped the guy almost the same amount as the ride actually cost. Now that's what tips are for.

[@eugenekrabs141]

comments like this is exactly why im planning on moving to europe someday, i dont care where in europe, just somewhere, i would even move to like the border between greece and turkey like i seriously dont care where, its just better there

[@jakke1975]

@@DailyCorvid Exactly! Seems Louis is disregarding the aggression a bit. I would not open the door nor answer such a person. Whatever problem that guy is having, the customer should NEVER be the target of anger.

[@stickfigure31]

It's actually sort of the same here, despite what you may have heard there is no mandatory tips. The US laws are just overly complicated and everyone in America is an idiot here. Read up on Tip credit, when you hear about an employee "only earning $2.13 an hour" in America that's not the full truth and it's because of tip credit. By law employees are required to earn at least minimum wage Federal law says $7.25 an hour (it can be higher depending on local state laws, but must be at least that). The "tip workers" are actually just minimum wage employees. What happens is if an employee receives a tip they must disclose it to their employer, file taxes on it, and their employer can dock their pay for that hour based on how much they got in tips in a 1 to 1 ratio (I'm only aware of California voting in a local state law to ban that practice, but other states may have). If an employee gets a $1 tip in an hour the employer is allowed to only pay them $6.25 for that hour. Because the combined total is still $7.25 the formula is roughly (at least minimum wage = salary + tip) kind of like the equation to plot a circle is (1 = x^2 + y^2), the salary has an absolute minimum of $2.13 an hour. Even if an employee earns more then $5.12 an hour in tips their employer must still pay them $2.13 for each of those hours and only then do these minimum wage employees some times earn more then minimum wage. This can be hard unless people sneak them cash tips and they don't disclose or file taxes on it (technically this is illegal, but people do it anyways. If you actually want to help a "tip workers" next time you visit the US that's the best way). Though you are completely free to not tip them, as if you don't the employer just end up footing the remainder of the bill for their wages as it should be. The other thing to remember is often these are just minimum wage jobs for people just entering the work force (high-schoolers and young college students, who honestly don't need a lot of money because they are still living at home). They aren't long term careers for adults, but many imagine they can earn enough tips to get ahead of minimum wage instead of just find a real career. Honestly a tad unrealistic, which is why states like California keep having to raise the minimum wage. Which just drives up inflation for everyone leaving the minimum waged employees in the same spot as before, but no one else is getting a pay increase making it worse for everyone else.

[@raspiankiado]

Tipping is part of the wage of the food/direct service industry worker. They get paid less, simply because tipping is expected to fill the void between barely managing, and living semi comfortably. It's disgusting it's gotten to the point that employees RELY on tips to survive, but, oh well...

[@jakke1975]

@@raspiankiado the point is that the employer should care enough about his employees to pay a reasonable wage. Tipping should be considered extras, a bonus for good performance. Base salary should never depend on the generosity of a customer.

[@ApexGale]

I have sympathy for people working service jobs. But I don't consider someone handing me what I pay for a tippable service. That's literally just doing your job. I'm not paying you a tip just for giving me the cookie I bought.

[@rossmanngroup]

Yeah and that is the thing. When my shipping clerk packages an order for somebody who buys 25 different chips, a hot air station, a bunch of different flux and solder pastes, he is doing 10 times as much work as somebody bringing a plate over to your table. Where is his tip? There is no expectation that he get a tip! The expectation is that I pay him enough to do his f****** job! But a restaurant or delivery company is allowed to pay somebody garbage and expect me to pick up the tab on the rest. If I pay Patrick $2 an hour, I'm the asshole. If a restaurant pays you $2 an hour, he's a restaurant owner. You tip the waiter, but not the UPS delivery driver. You tip doordash, but not the postman. You tip a valet driver, but not the person who moves all the shopping carts out of the way of the parking lot in the grocery store. It just makes no fucking sense. It's so arbitrary what is, and isn't, a tipping profession in America. Perhaps I'm salty because most of the jobs here are jobs that are outside tipping culture. My lowest base salary for entry level position here is $25/hour. I can't do the whole _"you get $2/hr and the customer will give you the rest, work it out with them"_ bullshit

[@thediadect8914]

Not a tippable service? Then why don't you go pick it up yourself then? This is the same argument that millenials use "omg why is this place open on the Christmas you guys deserve a break". Like, no sh** Sherlock I'm here because you are here and made it profitable for my employer to demand I show up to work on holidays or be fired. You don't want to pay tips to service workers? Fine, then don't use their services.

[@ohsweetmystery]

@@rossmanngroup Restaurants do not pay low wages to servers. I was a waitress in the 70's and worked in a small chain restaurant. I was paid less than standard minimum wage, but was guaranteed up to the full minimum wage if I failed to make that up in tips. I NEVER made less than $10/hr and that was a long time ago. Poor servers made less, good servers made more. A restaurant recently tried to eliminate tips and pay employees a higher wage and it FAILED because servers made a lot less. As a good server you will make much more in tips than you will ever make if they eliminate tipping.

[@nivada94]

@@rossmanngroup That is one of the things I like about living in europe, there is not really a tipping culture here, the restaurants have to pay their employees enough on their own. You could still leave a tip in europe to somebody that you think went beyond anything you expected to make you feel comfortable, but is not required or needed for them to live. Which is the way it should be. Cause if you get a tip here, it means so much more then in america, you know they tipped cause they really liked how you treated them. (unless american costumer cause they might be new to europe and might not know that tipping culture here does almost not exist) Instead of americas way where it is sort of expected from people so that you can survive! I hope tipping culture in america will go away.

[@AntonioCunningham]

​@@ohsweetmysteryThis is why I stopped going to restaurants. As long as they rely on tipping, I'm not interested. I'd rather the industry go away than keep the shitty tipping racket

[@B3Band]

"Was there a cash tip?" "Yeah, until you started pounding on my door. Have a good night."

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

'So how am i supposed to get it, if you won't answer the phone, OR the door?'

[@heartpop22]

​@@antediluvianatheist5262what makes you entitled for tip? It's your fault. Why get a job that doesn't compensates you? It's not our fault.

[@peachypet808]

​@@heartpop22"Why let yourself get exploited by a system you can not feasibly opt out of that does nothing but exploit the lower class and enrich the upper class?"

[@heartpop22]

@@peachypet808 Tip is gratuitous not an obligation. What makes you entitled for extra for doing the job of delivering the food from kitchen to table?

[@dancooper6002]

@@peachypet808 Quit smoking meth for breakfast.

[@imageingredients8110]

I've stopped using services that expect tipping. That's the most ethical way i can think of to stop tipping people.

[@haroondaman7162]

In the UK I place orders with Uber eats sometimes, only when they give me 40-50% off, so I get 40% off my food, and buy from places that are close, so they charge like £0.29 for delivery, and then no tip. So they pay me to use there service, no wonder Uber is losing money

[@folkloreuh]

Yeah it’s kinda messed up to be like “walk into the office of an app company in San Francisco & demand a raise, don’t ask me for a tip” & continue to benefit from the evil business model of the app.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@folkloreuh I mean they're doing it to themselves and getting mad at customers instead of employers because they know they can hold the food hostage. There's no real reason for customers to stop ordering in protest when it's not them it's negatively affecting.

[@lai6551]

That’s the conclusion I came to too. As well as ignoring absurd tip lines on things that don’t normally have tips.

[@eugenekrabs141]

i mean its not unethical to not tip

[@flemmingpedersen567]

By tipping underpaid workers, you enable employers to keep underpaying their workers - the vicious cycle.

[@ElAndresRodriguez]

Yes but until the problem is fixed tip them lmao. Doordashers get paid $2.50 per order if not for tips.

[@flemmingpedersen567]

@@ElAndresRodriguez Yeah, but if you tip them, nothing will ever change: However if people stop tipping them, they will have to either get organised, making their employers pay them a living wage, or they will have to find a better paying job, forcing employers to offer better wages, unless they want to do the job themselves. Progress demands sacrifices, and while it sucks for the people becoming victims, everyone that follows will be grateful.

[@Crazea]

@@flemmingpedersen567 Or, don't use the service and go get the food yourself. You won't be expected to tip and delivery will be forced to find other work.

[@flemmingpedersen567]

@@Crazea A Google search indicates that when getting takeout, a tip is still somewhat expected (for what I have no idea). So as long as you don't tip, you don't add to the problem, no matter who you don't tip.

[@Crazea]

@@flemmingpedersen567 Also not adding to the problem by getting the food yourself sir.

[@garcon45]

He proved with his actions and attitude why he didn't deserve a tip in the first place.

[@antonk.653]

I disagree, this is putting the cart before the horse. This guys anger was a consequence of not receiving a proper tip in his eyes (and possibly many more instances that made him freak out). You would just make things worse by punishing this guy. Louis Rossmann does it better, he redirects this anger towards the employer.

[@Desert-edDave]

@@antonk.653 The customer is not responsible for the actions of this individual, regardless, gratuity was not earned. Little boy threw temper tantrum and took it out on the customer. OP's point is sound.

[@antonk.653]

@@Desert-edDave I'm with you, but all this is retrospective. Imagine a culture where tipping is so pervaisively practiced that not tipping becomes suddenly an offense. Frustration and conflict is the consequence. So again, I don't support the delivery guy's actions, but it's better to tackle the root cause instead.

[@alfredellis8549]

I guess but also can you blame him? Doordash pays as little as like $3 per hour after you deduct you gas. Mans was probably on a hair trigger to begin with.

[@contentsdiffer5958]

@@alfredellis8549 I absolutely can, and I wonder if he didn't end up in that job due to burned bridges.

[@dannypeck96]

it's "No tip no trip", not "no tip, take the trip and harass the customer after" ffs.

[@MizGizma]

EXACTLY. The only way I am willing to support a doordash worker is to just not use the doordash service at all. I do believe they are underpaid ... but that isn't because of the customers. Door dash is literally the one stealing your pay.

[@The_Gallowglass]

I would never do doordash. If I had a choice between doing regular uber and doordash I'd pick uber. At least if you do UBER, even without tips you can make decent money if you're good at it and in a big city market.

[@nicolasgirard2808]

Doordash loses money every quarter, the fact of the matter is that the customers are getting a service for less than it costs.

[@justacinnamonbun8658]

I drive for Lyft part time, like once a week for a few hours. My personal tip rate is like 30% so 3 out of every 10 fares will leave me some sort of tip. I can't demand a tip, it's appreciated for good service but I have to understand that even if there's a rider that feels I've given them the best service they've ever had in a Lyft, if they got in with the mindset that they're not going to tip, well guess what they're not going to tip. If I don't like Lyft because of the tip situation, then guess what, I just won't drive for Lyft anymore and I'll do something else. People have to chill the F out with demanding tips, broski, if you don't like it, leave. Stop doing Doordash. Its a free country, more or less anyway. You can start your own business. If I did that shit and chased down a rider after drop off for not tipping me, #1 that makes me look like a maniac on drugs and #2 I'll probably get a warming or just taken off the platform.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@Just a Cinnamon Bun oh yeah, you never demand tips. That's bad form. I feel since covid lockdowns and after, tipping frequency has gone way down. A good driver can make decent money even without tips, if they're in a good market and have some charisma and skills.

[@pysq8]

That's the only way Doordash will listen. It's certainly not by workers refusing their crap pay, bc someone in these slum ass cities is always desperate enough to take it. What a shithole country.

[@flyer617]

Since generous tipping, regardless of the level of service provided, is expected, I factor that into my decision to use the service or not. And more often than not, my choice is to not use the service. For example, when the delivery services first came out I started using them but had several drivers tell me in no uncertain terms that 20% was woefully inadequate and I wouldn't be getting many deliveries if I was so stingy. Okay, message received, and now I simply hop in my car and go pick it up myself. Not only do I get the food faster but it is actually still hot. The delivery services priced themselves out of the market for me.

[@TheChosenOne66501]

picking up hot food to eat it at your place is far inferior to eating at the restaurant, where it is fresh. And any mess/trash will be there instead of at home.

[@nedkelly2035]

Yep, and now they get ZERO tip, instead of 20% !

[@ambiarock590]

That's how I go about it. For me there is also a bit of a philosophical "I'm not so lazy that I can't go get fast food myself" mentality. If I'm gonna go eat unhealthy food I'mma go get it my damn self. I'm not a fan of the ultra-convenience world we're entering where you rarely even need to leave your house and have groceries, meals, appliances, and general products all delivered to your door. I like getting out of the house and actually doing things.

[@dakinademino977]

@@TheChosenOne66501 I prefer to eat my hot food without screaming kids and/or the odd women watching me as if I am a predator scouting out my next victim.

[@ciscam]

also the waiters will expect a tip, too @dakinademino977 @@TheChosenOne66501

[@brendanr1525]

5:08 Some people are not very good with hostile confrontation. Not to mention, he's not owed a tip, he's only there to deliver, and responding hostile, that's all he deserves.

[@TheStormyClouds]

Exactly. You think if she calmly explained why she doesn't want to tip that he would respond rationally? Nah, he'd probably scream at her, smash up the food, then leave.

[@jamescarter3196]

You cheapskates will say anything to defend being selfish sniveling fuckups. Look at you making excuses for your pathetic behavior. If you can't afford a tip then you don't need to buy the service, stupid.

[@jamescarter3196]

@@TheStormyClouds She doesn't have a good excuse and neither do you, cheapskate.

[@sullivan912]

The whole idea that you should give a tip through an app before you've even received what you've ordered is insane. It could be late, if it is hot food it could be cold, there could be items missing.

[@DoritoBot9000]

This!!!!!

[@jesseraphael2423]

@@a10001110101most of the time not knowing where to go is not their fault, its the customers fault for giving shitty directions

[@jesseraphael2423]

Also who tf giving a 15-20 dollar tip? That shit basically never happens

[@Sammysapphira]

​@@jesseraphael2423 they have GPS bro

[@colinhaney]

Is that your takeaway here? That tipping culture is broken and unfair at the expense of the CONSUMER? If you don't have the faintest idea why something undesirable occurred with your order, and you have no IDEA if it was in the control of a tipped worker, you have to assume it was out of their control. Think about it, none of the reasons you gave are ethical reasons to "withhold" tip in an economy where it is expected. Things are not all under the control of your server, it's not reasonable to reduce tip to a live server based on something they can't control like when your food is ready...but at least with a server you can SEE them working. With app-based services there is no justification for this, as there can always be a number of possible setbacks invisible to the customer that can delay a delivery person. What's "insane" is that these platforms don't just tell customers flat out that tipping is expected. They are LOWERING their prices such that every once in a while, a driver takes a bad order, they rely on this being seen as "optional" income to squeeze out the sketchiest orders they fulfill. These companies are not even profitable, it's an incorrect assumption they are raking in money, the industry just hasn't reached competency. Point is, the idea you should withhold tip based on ANYTHING is insane. It is part of the price of your goods/services and the insane thing is that we have so many industries that leech off the darker implications of it being a choice. Pre-tipping is one of the few decent things Doordash does and I actually don't understand these "pissed that the customer didnt tip" videos based on Doordash tipping structure. Uber Eats or Grubhub i understand but DD doesn't work that way unless there's some finer details to the system that I'm missing...

[@StorytellingHeadshots]

This is LITERALLY the reason I don’t use door dash and similar apps.

[@Slayer8957]

Youre too cheap to tip?

[@neohelios77]

Agreed. I'm perfectly capable of walking and driving myself. If someone were elderly or sick and needed the extra help: totally understand. But grown-ass adults who are physically capable, should NOT be paying another human being to go fetch their food. Grow up. Fast food. Asian food. Pizza. Don't care. "If you have a car, get off your ass and go get your own damn food."

[@neohelios77]

​@@Slayer8957 - yeah, I guess so. Does that make you mad? Oooooh nooooo! :( :( :( Go get a job as a waiter or a barista if you want my tips--that's ALL I tip for, now... Oh and hotel cleaners. And my hairdresser, especially for a good beard trim and shave (love that warm lather). And at holidays for my mail carrier. And my mechanic for giving us a free safety check prior to a long road trip. So there's your options if you want tips. Kbye!!

[@sabbottart]

Domino’s Pizza (as an example) charges a delivery fee that does not go to the driver. In essence you’re helping Domino’s to pay his/her salary + you’re expected to tip on top of that. Basically the CEO of Domino’s is telling you to blow him every time you order delivery from there.

[@str8jaz]

​@@neohelios77 If there is a job being offered from a company and YOU as a grown ass adult accepts said job then get your ass in your car and bring me my food that I ordered and YOUR job pays YOU to deliver. Stop whining like a little sissy ass. It's not my responsibility to feel bad for YOU that you accepted that job. YOU did that. Want more money? Get a better job loser.

[@Voorhees-Jason]

The problem is this guy is at the customer's house and he is a pretty big guy knocking on the door aggressively, and when he called the customer, I am sure the customer did not want to deal with confrontation. It should not be the job of the customer to explain themself either of why they tipped or not. When I go and buy something I just want the thing I bought and not have to explain myself either. Also some people do not deal with confrontations very well.

[@zerofox2030]

Both of them are shitty people

[@TheSpanjaMan]

If he banged on anybody's home door like that here in Croatia, he would now be laying in the hospital. It's the truth. There are just some things you can't do and some things you can do. Tip or no tip, this model or another, this is just one of those things you can not do.

[@b44rt]

I live in Europe, tipping here is done when you receive service above expectation. A tip is definitly NOT something you give every time.

[@Aeroxima]

That just makes more sense. I'd be for it being adopted.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Aeroxima It's how it should be, and how it was in the US too before the "tipping culture" reform. Like you would tip your hat, tipping money, it's a gesture of acknowledgement of who they are and what they provide (beyond what is expected). In my country in the EU there is no tipping custom, but it's fairly common to tip 10% for a good service as a genuine gesture, and some tip more for excellent services. Some don't tip. But nobody ever asks questions of what the customer decides, because inherently it's the customer's business what they do beyond what is asked from the price they're offered by the establishment. And service workers get paid a good wage regardless. There is still an incentive to go above and beyond because some people do still tip a fair amount, but it's never expected nor required to have a good living.

[@richardcampbell8685]

That’s the only time someone should tip.

[@MrPickledede]

But what you don't mention is that the service in Europe compared to the United States absolutely sucks they are very inattentive and ask as if you are annoying them and they don't come to your table they ignore you it can take over an hour to get their attention to bring you the bill I prefer the United States service because the server knows that if they provide me with good service they will get rewarded for it where is in Europe they treat me like garbage because either way they will be getting the same paycheck 14:57

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@MrPickledede That is literal asspull. I've been to almost every single country in Europe (and there are differences from country to country, believe it or not **ghasp** ), and I have family in the US and been there plenty of times, have many friends there, not exactly foreign country. Yes there are differences, but to say service as an all encompassing concept is better in the US is laughable. Its not better or worse, it tends to depend on the establishment in question. What you do see more of, is talkative service employees who may put on an extra smile here and there, but that's about it. Sometimes it comes off as hovering and obnoxiousness where they just won't let you enjoy your meal in peace cus they gotta earn that service tip... but that, too, is not the norm. Its just experiences that stand out from the norm, just like what I'm sure your experience in Europe is (if you have any, and aren't just citing whatever internet echo chambers tell you). But please, if you want to be taken seriously then present an argument and valid evidence for your reasoning. I presented mine, and my bias is neutral.

[@notimportant3394]

I agree to some degree, but I disagree that a customer should be expected to have a discussion about salary with a lunatic beating on their door over a tip.

[@xeanthomas5231]

A doordash employee that bangs on somebody's door and harasses them with 3+ phone calls should be fired. It's not even a discussion.

[@d3adlyz3bra]

Cop knocking on someone's door is a good way to be met with a muzzle and not a smiling face

[@elijahheart9103]

The customer has nothing to do with your pay check. Your not making enough then get a better job.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

💯

[@blorblin]

actual 0 iq take. 'better jobs' shouldn't be the only recourse for people who need more income. Every full-time job should provide an individual with a stable living. EVERY extraction, manufacturing, service and research job is essential to society@@elijahheart9103

[@oneofthe12sionmains70]

As a Doordash driver, I'm very confused how this even happened. Maybe the system was different six months ago, but we get to choose whether we accept an order or not and get openly told how much money we will make on the order, alongside the route and distance travelled. Where in this equation was he caught off guard that a customer wouldn't tip? He could have easily declined the order, or if he felt petty he can accept the order then unassign because of a "long wait time" and say the food won't be ready for 20+ minutes to greatly inconvenience a non-tipper (a new person won't be assigned until doordash thinks the food is done). Why accept the order seeing the price, drive to the store, pick it up and drive to the customer all while the "Current offer: $2.50" sits in the top right of the app, just to complain upon arrival?

[@k.b.tidwell]

If I'm not wrong something has changed in the last month or so about the tipping policy with SOME food delivery companies. Maybe making it so that it's not visible to the drivers. Don't quote me. Better look it up.

[@theinsanityplex9372]

I don't care if the delivery pays $50 and only takes a half hour to complete. If the customer tip is shown as $0 when I finally complete the delivery and am shown those details, then that is massively insulting and pathetic at this stage of history. Yes, I would also wonder if there is supposed to be a cash tip in that scenario. Everyone should ask. People know better, but still choose to be worse. They need to get called out even more.

[@AG-kb7yb]

Same reason he is a delivery driver, not the brightest

[@AG-kb7yb]

​@@theinsanityplex9372People know better, than you. Tipping is optional, you don't like it get another job.

[@k.b.tidwell]

@@AG-kb7yb so your contribution here is to tear someone you don't even know, down. 🙄

[@srikar9]

Ask humbly for a tip. Never demand a tip like the customer owes you. It doesn' t matter how much he pays, take it and leave. This has to be the norm.

[@KiCreativeStudioJP]

In Japan, there is no tipping system anywhere and the servers are still extremely polite and accommodating. It's paradise for customers.

[@Aeroxima]

I think it's not just the business structures, but a less selfish culture.

[@leeweesquee]

Isn't it more of an insult if you offer a tip in JP?

[@KiCreativeStudioJP]

@@leeweesquee They won't take offense. Most will just find it odd and just return it to you.

[@wizrom3046]

Same in australia, tipping is rare here. Although some bad american habits are starting to creep in, especially in the big cities.

[@HakuYuki001]

@@Aeroxima Omfg grow up.

[@Waldohasaskit210]

I avoid door-dash, take-out, delivery groceries or anything else where a tip is expected just to avoid the awkwardness/guilt of tip culture.

[@stephenjohn904]

that's exactly what i do. but they do try to sneak a tip request even for pick up orders. this is totally f--ed up

[@Waldohasaskit210]

@@stephenjohn904 Yeah but I don't feel guilty about not tipping pickup orders, especially when I already have my food and no one has a chance to spit in it

[@Michael-sb8jf]

How soon will McDonald's start asking for a tip

[@TomikaKelly]

Same. It's RIDICULOUSLY expensive with all of the extra added fees. I only use these services when I'm out of town on vacation.

[@AB-hu4fc]

@@TomikaKelly Just so you know the person who is delivering your order is only seeing $2.25 upto $5.50 for their basepay so that is why most are expecting a tip. The only way that basepay works is if you live half a mile from the resturant you ordered the food from. I did doordash for 1 month then accepted a w2 job with steady pay and medical beneifts.

[@shinobuoshino5066]

I never tipped in my life, I'm not your employer lmao.

[@mensch4434]

fr

[@mclarenf1lm374]

In Romania they had a MANDATORY 25% or so tip. In Bulgaria we tip to thank the restaurant for providing us with a good service, better than expected, whatever. I was mad at this when I discovered it because yet again we are setting the status quo that not the business owner but the customers should pay the salaries... just so the business owner can afford that brand new lamborghini they very much needed instead of paying their employees better.

[@0525ohhwell]

I actually don't fault the customer for hanging up. That driver was obviously way too aggressive.

[@MuDkipzCHancelLOr]

could've just tipped, people living in constant fear and terror tend to be aggressive :).

[@t_ylr]

Yeah I saw the title and was ready to be mad at the customer. I used to work for a delivery app and the min tip was $2, and ppl would order groceries. So you could literally spend an hour working for a $2 tip. Unfortunately we have tipping culture in America you not leaving a tip is a jerk move. However that guy can't act like that. Yeah of course they're not gonna talk to you

[@BritishEngineer]

@@MuDkipzCHancelLOr some people suddenly become psychologists in yt comments sections.

[@akuma4323]

@@BritishEngineer hahaha true

[@Nahrix]

@@MuDkipzCHancelLOr You've completely missed the entire point of this video. Like, right over your head. In one ear, out the other.

[@zacksabresr.7409]

I think I can understand why the customer would hang up on the dude without saying anything. If somebody punched my door and then he called me asking for money I wouldn't want to talk to them either.

[@gundoxcrit1652]

I mean. The delivery driver had no right to talk to the customer. He did his job and after that was trespassing.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​​@@gundoxcrit1652 ken detected. go get the food yourself, if you're going to act that way. you should be able to tell when somebody is getting screwed on your behalf, why would you still use doordash when screwing the employee is their standing policy?

[@yassersaeed2010]

Agree. The delivery guy was rude when instead he should have asked for a tip nicely

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@tissuepaper9962 That's the responsibility of the employer.. If I use a service that shows a cost, I pay the cost. If people keep signing up for jobs at those companies just to get pissed they aren't getting paid, then they shouldn't sign up - and when nobody signs up, the company CEO will quickly realize their business model is wank and either make appropriate changes or go out of business. There is only one way this situation improves, and it starts with not paying for what isn't asked of you.

[@matthewfusaro2590]

He had no right to be angry regardless of how he knocked on the door. A tip is not required and he should expect some customers not to leave tips.

[@manny_f]

100% agree. I had my ISP send a technician last week to replace a faulty router and I asked him if he could move the fibre optic cable to a different place. Normally this would have cost €70. He said it was no trouble and offered to do it for free. I gave him €30 cash which worked for both of us-I saved €40 and he made €30.

[@maxxomega6599]

I used to get deliveries from Grocery Gateway. They are NOT supposed to ask for a tip. But because I would get 15-20 big bottles of water, and the guy would always carry them up a flight of stairs, I would give a $20 dollar tip. But one day, he was 3 hours late so no tip. The guys actually asked me for 20 bucks. I was already pissed off so I went and called Grocery Gateway and complained and told them to NEVER send that guy again...

[@EvzenEmanuel]

Imagine asking for a tip after such attitude, after SWAT-style door-banging.

[@guyincognito320]

It wasn't about the money, it was about letting them know they're enjoying their luxury service that they didn't deserve because they're poor and cheap. We have very poor, low virtue people getting food brought to their doors by butlers at this point in history. There's a global network of slavery and parasitism that makes that all happen, and we call that technology. These delivery companies are complete scams and have no f'ing right to operate. Obviously the root problem is government allowing parasites to do business, then these unscrupulous, lying company execs, and much lower than that it's the cheap customer who's borderline stealing from the employee. This worker was undoubtedly wrong in some way, but he's by far the least of all bad actors in this situation. I just can't comprehend the moral mindset of the person who knowingly stiffs a worker, then when the worker inevitably gets mad about it, make sure the whole country sees it and he gets fired. He was bringing people food to pay this week's bills in exchange for auto value. Your car is trashed doing this, and you're literally losing money all the time, regardless if everyone tips decently. It's a criminal business.

[@CarlosPCastaneda]

I was in California on a holiday and a similar thing happened in a restaurant where someone didn't want to tip and the waiters and waitresses ganged up on the guy. No matter what the circumstance is, it's unprofessional and bad conduct to make a scene like that.

[@fatguy9]

California waiters and waitresses dont get paid below minimum wage like a lot of other states too

[@noticer3721]

@@fatguy9 which makes it even more disgusting and worthy of tipping them with hot lead.

[@MrCarloss510]

@@fatguy9 That's an issue with the government allowing restuarants to do that.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​​@@fatguy9 all service workers are guaranteed at least minimum wage, if they don't make it in tips. you're repeating propaganda, most service staff make more money on tips than they would have from a "fair" wage. restaurants that try to go to a no tip model can never find good servers.

[@wayfa13]

@@MrCarloss510 is there a comment that was deleted because he made a dbl negative and was just saying that in Cali they do get above minimum wage?

[@ahivan]

As a former delivery boy, I never expected any sort of tip (weird thing, this mentality I had actually gave me more tips) and think that tipping is not an obligation. I don’t know how doordash works over there, but at least with us, you can decide if you don’t want to leave tip after paying, and depending on the courier leave a tip after the delivery

[@xiratak6429]

these delivery platforms have no hourly wage it pays a set amount to drive up to 10 minutes to get to a random restaurant to then drive to customer and price is set based on customer to restaurant and its usually a couple dollars max that a driver could expect. these platforms are very preditory and drivers can expect to cover gas with the money they get and not much else.

[@OneWingedNatu64]

I will say, even though I completely understand the man's anger, (and putting the ethics of tipping aside), I have very severe anxiety and a panic disorder. If someone were to pound on my door like that, it would absolutely make me spiral into a panic attack and probably call the police. It would also make me too scared to even think about using that service ever again.

[@jamescarter3196]

Yeah well you're not an idiot like the person the guy was angry at, so that's how you avoid this. Don't buy things you can't really afford and this stuff becomes not a problem.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

Hi. I've worked delivery. And currently work with old people. You MUST pound on the door, because more than half the time, the householder is out the back, half deaf, or listening to music. So unless you are standing waiting at an open door, it WILL be pounded, because the delivery person absolutely MUST make contact with you.

[@blackdandelion5549]

When people have delivered to my place they don't knock and I have gotten a text that my food is outside on the doorstep at 10 at night. They could care less if they make contact me. Not every company has you make contact with the person. If the delivery driver says I am a fucking loser because they aren't happy with their tip and we don't know if he is super late with the food or w/e, but calling the person 3X and he didn't say "Your food is here and at your door" instead of asking about his tip I think we would all have a different perspective. If the facts supported that he wanted or needed to notify the customer, but calling the customer 3x to ask about a tip. . . . . .I would think that something is very wrong and this person is intimidating and hounding me for cash money.

[@osmano675]

@@jamescarter3196 She had already paid for everything. Tipping was evidently not mandatory, the guy was just being an entitled asshole.

[@DS3Enjoyer]

​@@antediluvianatheist5262 bruh

[@videowarehouse]

There isn't a tipping culture in Australia. I recently travelled to the US and felt guilt tripped the entire time I was there, not knowing what was expected, whether I was paying enough, and it genuinely took away from the dining experience. I was trying to do math in my head with every order to work out what it was actually costing me (the exchange rate being another factor at play). We pay working wages to staff, tipping only happens if someone goes above and beyond and is definitely not expected.

[@wolfhawk1999]

It's not that hard, $1 for every $5 is 20%. That said, I understand it's kinda silly, but the math isn't that hard

[@Sepear305]

Tipping is part of the culture here, I dont agree with it either, but as long as employers refuse to pay their employees enough in the service industry tipping is just basic decency. Besides, there's always percentage options on the menu, but yeah I agree it's a hassle

[@steampunk888]

@@Sepear305 Employers pay less BECAUSE of tipping. Tippers are causing the low wage.

[@steampunk888]

The guy in the video was trying to scare the customer into tipping. That's what this is about.

[@night-heron954]

@sepear, " maybe don't eat out"? You idiot. What a stupid thing to say 😅

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Japan has solved the "tipping problem" => there is never any tip of any kind. Even if you leave 10 cents on the counter, nobody will take it and they might run after you to give it back to you. In restaurants, there's never this awkward moment of having to decide how much tip to give. I have yet to meet a tourist who was able to leave a tip.

[@Ammut6]

...so how did they go about solving it lol

[@michael_stocker]

@@Ammut6 no tipping, the price should be in the price, and the customer can expect excellent service at all times (as they should) without worrying about being blackmailed with horrid service by disgruntled workers.

[@StevenBrener]

Exactly. Lived there for a while. Was shocked at first that they do not accept or expect tips. The price is the price. And, the service is great. This is how it should be. F*** tipping culture!

[@JonathanJK]

In Hong Kong there is just 10% added to the bill. Done.

[@aguy1883]

@@Ammut6 By paying low-skill people their worth. Drivers, waiters, etc are insanely entitled for doing the most brainless work imaginable.

[@AlohaBlockchain]

I boycott businesses that allow tipping.

[@rulojuka]

I see that most people also forget that the tip system is also made to avoid taxation. Tips are taxed differently than salary, so employers use this to avoid paying taxes.

[@joelombardi4907]

The problem is Door Dash (and other delivery services) charges a delivery fee and service fee already. Then the driver expects a tip on top of that. In my opinion, the driver should get the delivery fee. This would end all of the craziness.

[@donaldlyons17]

Can you really see them ever giving the driver that money? I can't....

[@everyone2975]

The service fee added is the corporation skimming off the top. They want the customer to think that is the actual tip but it is NOT! The employee never gets that money.

[@gormenfreeman499]

After gasoline, insurance and repairs. Your making like 5 dollars an hour on these delivery app. Tips can make it 10 dollars, but its still below minimum wage most people consider to be 15 now.

[@CngDelta757]

Especially since food is usually costing more via delivery than even picking up with a restaurant app or in person.

[@donaldlyons17]

@@gormenfreeman499 Right and it just seems to me many don't bother running calculations to see how cost work. I don't do delivery but I already knew they can't make much if people online who offer delivery are constantly uploading videos....

[@chaos.corner]

Walmart is currently advertising Walmart Plus with "free delivery". The "free delivery" is done by gig drivers who you are expected to tip. I hate this tipping thing. Pay people properly and charge accordingly.

[@mjc0961]

If I'm expected to tip, it's not free delivery. I'd rather they charge a proper fee for delivery and leave tipping out of it.

[@chaos.corner]

@@mjc0961 Yes. The other ridiculous thing is that on a $100 order, I could pay $20 or alternatively, drive the ~1 mile and pickup for free. There's no nuance there. Not to mention if they did it properly, they could probably have someone with a van do a 20 delivery run instead of bunches of one-offs.

[@chaos.corner]

@@mjc0961 FWIW, apparently there was no tip originally but I'm not sure of the details.

[@raouljoseph1411]

That's why I preferred curb side pick up. No tipping involved 😊

[@Furluge]

@@mjc0961 That's just it they do charge a proper fee. They're just putting the tip on there because there's 0 incentive not to. Some sucker will see the box actually tip so it's free $$.

[@AliciaGuitar]

I am a single disabled woman, and if i had a cash tip ready for him, i would be too scared to open the door after that aggressive knock and phone call!

[@mrstaticgroovy7400]

My bank balance doesn’t agree with tipping

[@RandomHandle120]

When tips are seeing as an entitlement, not a reward, and are expected before the service is rendered, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong with the system.

[@AndrewCapital]

As a doordash worker who hands people their food, personally for me it's not about the tips, rather it's about "how many miles is it?". In return I choose the orders due to miles and in return I get what I get from doordash and if you tip thank you I appreciate it and if you don't still thank you for not being a hassle. Everything just flows as it is. 😊

[@fearless6947]

That's fair and I agree, as you should. Most people beef is with the tipping culture

[@tylersanders2388]

Miles don’t necessarily matter as much as where you are going. There can be a 2 mile drive in the middle of downtown that takes longer than a smooth 5 mile drive on an open road

[@Dope_Stories]

Legit just commented the same thing ... choose a minimum base your willing to accept and Base your deliveries on that.

[@versatileduplicity9313]

That's how every customer should be. Like you. Keep doing good.

[@michael_stocker]

you shouldn't be working at doordash if you choose orders by any means. This is why most of us get subjected to horrid treatment and congealed food from these exploited workers who take their frustrations out on the customers. Doordash is garbage and I will never use them.

[@greenjosh75]

As a pizza delivery driver the tip is more than half my income. It's fucked up.

[@davideklove5770]

I have said it before and i will say it again. Doordash and UberEats need to take the custromers control of a tip away and make it part of the cost of ordering delivery, to the point that the driver gets a BARE MINIMUM of $10 per delivery.

[@veggiequeen2738]

When I worked for Instacart I caught them stealing our tips because a regular customer was suspicious the company wasn’t giving us our tips. He was right and confirmed what I expected. App based jobs don’t have any worker’s rights, your a number to them.

[@M4TTYN]

And can wonder why their fighting against the fair wage for the gig workers. as much i and many see the need for a side hustle these apps are evil & need to be set straight on a few things asap!

[@Ariccio123]

This is theft! I hope you reported to your state labor department

[@veggiequeen2738]

@@Ariccio123 There was a class action suit against them.

[@kaliss7192]

Used to be a top dasher for awhile with nearly a thousand completed deliveries. Doordash tells you beforehand what you're going to get paid for a delivery before you even accept the order. You're literally supposed to weigh the risk reward of taking a low paying delivery. Doordash doesn't even penalize you for declining low paying orders.

[@brain.yogurt.5.56]

Yeah I think this customer edited the tip just before items arrived

[@tukos7370]

I started increasing what I pay in tip because my orders kept getting dropped. Fair.

[@johntron3849]

It’s crazy to me I came across guys who thought hey had to accept every order . One time a guy had a $10 order for like 11mi and he had been waiting like 20 min I told him to cancel it and he got scared and said no no , he barely spoke English and seemed like he was willing to do any order as long as he kept working and I’m sure dd knows that .

[@kaliss7192]

@John Tron I had like a 64% acceptance rate lol. Never bothered me.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

​@@brain.yogurt.5.56 I'm pretty sure doordash does not allow you to edit tips after the order is placed, unless you make a big deal and contact customer service due to a legitimate issue. at least that has not been possible in the five or six years I have been using it

[@witoldgrabowski3801]

I like how they are so indoctrinated in the "culture" that the boss can pay them less and they get angry at person paying THEIR BOSS who then pays them low wage and expect the customer to pay them again despite them already having paid for what they ordered Ouch, this country is so weird

[@SpartanJoe193]

This is exactly why I support raising the minimum wage. The fact that customers have to do the extra wages rather than the company is absolutely ridiculous.

[@Grant82gc]

This is why im appreciative of Australia . No tipping, no taxes after listed price, etc. What price you see in the app or on the menu is the price you pay, no confusion.

[@lazygit5415]

@@Brausmith hear hear. Someone get this man some tim tams. Tips are crazy and insulting

[@Elemblue2]

@@Brausmith You can reject it by refusing to participate.

[@eduardoarancibia169]

Should be the norm, but sounds like an utopia now.

[@TheHungrySlug]

I believe in fair pay for fair work. Though I have my own experience with tipping in Australia Eagle Boys Pizza only paid me $10 an hour as a delivery driver and I had to use my OWN vehicle, pay for my own fuel, vehicle maintenance. All that out of $10 an hour. Only way I left at the end of a day with profit, was when my customers would let me "Keep the change". $2 from a few orders helped me cover fuel cost for a night of deliveries, most of the time. Yet there were days when I couldn't work because I had no fuel and no money. Turned out in the end that there was a company delivery car, but the boss/owner of the franchise, used it as his personal vehicle, until i saw some paperwork on a desk that said it was registered as a company delivery vehicle. After that, I was offered the car to use for deliveries, but I wouldn't be allowed to "Keep the change" from the orders I delivered and it was only a small madza coup and couldn't fit more than 6 pizza boxes in heat bags. So it actually meant more traveling back and forth to do orders. Compared to my old car which had HEAPS of space and meant I could make a batch of deliveries in a single trip out of the store. $10 an hour for that was hard to justify and more so when you loose money while trying to make an income. Then again, the boss/owner was a dishonorably discharged Cop, so make of that what you will.

[@Roxor128]

@@Brausmith I'd be in favour of a law requiring that if the customer pays more than the bill, the surplus must be donated to charity. Also require that the specific charity be decided by a majority vote of the employees.

[@bobi6191]

I’ve worked as a delivery driver in the UK before. Tips were something that was appreciated but never expected. I mostly got £1 or £2 coins every once in a while, could probably count the number of times I’ve gotten more than that on one hand. They usually added up to around £20 a week. I find US tipping culture to be ridiculous, just charge 15 to 20 percent more and pay your employees properly. Tipping should be a reward for times when you think your service worker went above and beyond, not part of some weird social contact where you’re expected to subsidise a service worker’s wages.

[@The_Gallowglass]

"I find US tipping culture to be ridiculous, just charge 15 to 20 percent more and pay your employees properly." Yeah, on paper that works.

[@marcsetevage8502]

@@The_Gallowglass "Yeah, on paper that works." And also in most countries around the world.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@marcsetevage8502 So you're the expert. What country are you from and give the average wage of wait staff. Then we'll see the cost of living and see how it compares to here.

[@revengenerd1]

If I pay cash which is rare these days I partially tip i.e if its £19.50 I say keep the change from £20 if its £18.50 I expect the full change but if they say they are 50p short or offer me a handful of change I say keep it, also there is many service jobs that tips are auto included as a service charge which is used to trick customers into still tipping, and often there is jobs that even if you tip the individual they have to give the tips to the bosses and they will at the very least keep a portion for themselves if not keep it all.

[@marcsetevage8502]

@@revengenerd1 exactly! Apparently @Gallowglass would tell you this could work only on paper, and not in the real world.

[@captaininsano4538]

Door dash drivers are not employees they are independent contractors. There is no office to walk into, there is no salary. The problem is the driver accepting the trash offer in the first place

[@lightningvini]

Was visiting vegas with my dad a few years ago, stopped for a starbucks, barista was rude to ourselves and her coworkers, and left the faucet running the whole time. Then she looked at us like we'd just skinned her firstborn when we didn't leave a tip Tipping is optional and based on the quality of service provided. It should never be taken for granted.

[@freebird901]

The WHOLE service industry needs to be revamped PERIOD!

[@TLJAWSIMIB]

EXACTLY. 👍👍👍👍👽👽😎😎

[@CelineNoyce]

As a customer I no longer use any business that asks for tip. Right there I know they are not paying enough and their entire business model is based on that. NO MORE. I no longer use that business. Here the customer can help.

[@richardmyers7847]

Karen 😂

[@myagrimm4719]

​@@richardmyers7847 She cares about how the employees are being treated and that makes her a Karen? What

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@myagrimm4719 "Karen" is when woman has opinion.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@drunkenhobo8020 did you just have an opinion? Why would you do that? Join the hive mind, one of us, your base belongs to us

[@Ammut6]

That's not going to help the employees. That'll just make the business up their prices to make up for the lack of income.

[@annadoranni_gamedev]

That's not OK at all when somebody behaves so aggressively that it looks like he's going to attack you if you open the door. It looked like a very dangerous situation and it should never happen to anybody. Maybe that's easier to be OK with other people expressing their anger when you're a strong man and can fight back

[@xhivo97]

He didn't pick up on the danger which is kinda surprising.

[@Fireguy97]

I was really pissed of at two installation technicians many years ago. We had a client that won a multi-million dollar lottery prize. They hired our company to install a high end security system in their home. The clients bought pizza and pop for the technicians during the three day installation process. What drove me crazy was that both installallers thought that it was in poor taste that the clients didn't tip them. They decided among themselves that, just because my clients had a windfall, that they should tip my guys generously. BTW, we're also a union shop. My guys were getting union rates at approximately $28.00/ hr + all benefits (25 years ago). My guys also have never received tips from any other clients, ever, yet they expected a tip from this company, ONLY BECAUSE THE CLIENT HAD MONEY.

[@MickeyMishra]

My god.. They are just barely paying me $25 an hour and they thought I was too expensive for LVE and Data center work. I really should be working with a company. But I'm ready to head out of the USA to just retire as if your not making at least $35 bucks an hour? Living/ Working in Portland makes little sense.

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Rich people don't really tip anyway... entitled bltches had no idea

[@XM110]

@@MickeyMishra When I was looking for an IT job in Portland in the early 2000s, it looked to me as though ALL companies were grossly underpaying IT staff. Like somewhere in the $40-55K range where the same job on the east coast would net you $85K and above.

[@Elemblue2]

Alot of people in tipping culture say if you dont like it then dont use it. Also, alot of places that using tipping are going out of business.

[@teknophyle1]

trust me this is not the same scenario. not even close. DD basepay for an order starts at 2 dollars. not accounting for how long you're gonna wait at a restaurant, or how far you have to drive. 2 or 3 dollars for on average 20 minutes of your time is not reasonable pay.

[@happypenguin25]

Nah dude, if someone is aggressively banging on my door, I'm not answering my phone at all. That driver is WAY out of line, regardless of the circumstance. I would view him as a threat, and call the authorities to escort him off my property. Like I have a kid, there's no way in hell I'm going to have an amicable discussion with someone who makes me feel unsafe in my own home where my family resides.

[@ChicagoShnozzlers]

Maybe you shouldn't order DoorDash if you don't have enough funds to tip the driver. If you don't you're a piece of shit, because we all know they make less than minimum wage.

[@Celestial_Wing]

I'd have stepped out with my shotty and asked what's up.

[@davidaviles8602]

@@Celestial_Wing YUPPPPP

[@MarioLuigi-vb3rp]

If it were in my bad neighborhood he would probably get shot if he tried to start something like this

[@ChicagoShnozzlers]

@@Celestial_Wing Damn dude you are fuckin bad assss

[@j_117]

Not sure how doordash works but when I drive Uber Eats I just reject all orders without a tip. Rather, I reject all orders that aren't worth my time and gas to take them. Sometimes Uber will fork up when a low value order has been getting rejected until the promised delivery time(and refund territory) is approaching. This is exceedingly rare, most ordering delivery understand its a luxury service and tip accordingly.

[@mlem6951]

The sad thing is, this is a general thing. People are rarely mad at the Problem itself, but on others involved in it ...

[@randomviewer896]

I really hate tips and tipping culture. It feels more like another form of taxation that I have to pay for on top of the sales tax. This video just highlighted the exact reason why.

[@XantheFIN]

Well unlike in America in Russia you don't "tip".. its called bribery there at least honestly in these rare moments of who talking truthfully.

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Tip based on factors such as distance, & weather for delivery. Granted some ppl say tip based on % but that’s not always fair for the customer.

[@Valto4life]

In this specific situation, I think any sort of negotiation or explaining the zero dollar tip went away when the delivery guy pounded the door angrily and didn't leave. A big adult man is at the door to your home pounding angrily, that's a self-defense situation especially if you're a woman who lives alone etc. no matter why it's happening. Hanging up the phone makes sense for the same reason as not opening the door. Interacting directly or over the phone (since they know you're at the other side of the door) makes them more likely to engage and try to intimidate you or harass you into doing what they want, if they don't resort to overt violence. With the door closed and you not engaging over the phone the worst that could happen is that the food gets ruined, and you can get refunded for that.

[@AEVAN00B]

100% agreed. In fact I'd say instant hang up is the BEST course of action. "Not my problem, talk to your boss" -> guy gets angrier "Sucks bro, hope things get better, have a nice day!" -> guy gets angrier "Things are tight sorry, here's $2" -> guy gets angrier "I'm so sorry, here's $10" -> guy now has incentive to get angrier

[@ezequielblanco8659]

Agreed. I'm not gonna give any kind of explanation to a person with that attitude. I'd be intimidated. Try to reason and explain the situation? I'm afraid he could kick my door down and beat me up.

[@XThanatos2X]

Tipping is for good service that goes above and beyond, it's not a guarantee. Nothing in that video says to me this person deserved a tip.

[@Chris-hc5gs]

When a business charges a “delivery” fee that IS the tip. They also add that on top of the “service” fee. I also, in no way, tip prior to receiving anything. That’s just asinine.

[@smileychess]

As a Doordash driver, I think it’s hilarious that he got so mad. When you are offered a job, you can clearly see the amount you’ll get paid. Since these drivers are contractors, they are allowed to decline any delivery for any reason. So if it doesn’t pay well, then don’t take the job. Easy.

[@JodyMay05]

And it's understood that the tip is not guaranteed

[@Mark54321]

Might be a new driver and, in instructions, might of said cash tip but who knows.

[@dbdchristopher]

That is why I get paid by the hour

[@aycoded7840]

Not every delivery driver is in the position to be able to refuse work.

[@truthwarstv]

Well if you are really a DD driver you would know that DD does not show the whole amount and in many cases DD will manipulate the drivers to get them to take low paying orders, DD drivers get paid $2.00 per order plus what ever the tips are. DD drivers destroy their car and pay for the gas, cell phone, insurance and maintenance for their car. Anyone comparing a DD driver to a waitress is and idiot. The waitress gets minimum wage plus tips and literally walks five feet from the kitchen to your table. A DD driver drives a lot of miles and uses a ton of gas to deliver peoples food... If you are to lazy to get your own food then you have a choice to use a luxury service. NO tip No Trip pick up your own dam food...

[@PantsingtonHardware]

Fun story: I was in Savannah, GA (work trip) and a buddy of mine couldn't pay his bar tab, because his credit card was flagged for sus purchases, which he resolved in about 30 minutes. I paid his tab, and the bartender asked me why I didn't tip. I explained that I was just paying what my buddy owed until he could square away his card, that he would be back in a few, and added in that I wasnt planning on paying my friends $120 tab. Guess what? I was berrated and treated like a total piece of shit, even after I explained that I tipped $15 on my own $45 tab. I was asked (word for word) "Sooo, what's an extra $15-20 then?" "You can't tip for your friend too?" "Don't you see how fucked up what you're doing is?!" Needless to say some choice words were had by all, but the tipping culture in America is absolutely out of hand, and needs to go away. The best part about this is our work trip lasted 3 months, and I was the project lead, so I just told everyone (34 of us) to avoid that place in the future, and they lost out on our alcoholic purchases for those 3 months. They showed us though, right? 😂

[@TheBooban]

They know nothing about what they missed. In America there are so many people, the next new customer is coming to who doesn’t know anything bad about this bar.

[@PantsingtonHardware]

@@TheBooban I mostly agree, but people know plenty bad about the bar. Lots of us left bad reviews about the tipping incident.

[@akale2620]

You should have taken your entire team there once more and not tipped a dime.

[@thejohnjosh]

At this point being childish back is justified in my view. If it's a female, I tell her to hit onlyfans. If its a male, I tell him to hit the oil rigs. Usually shuts them up, but then again, I have no concept of shame in public thanks to my autism

[@andersbodin1551]

@@thejohnjosh at this point it sounds like emotional manipulation.

[@RepresentWV]

Ya know, I think if people started demanding a fair wage from door dash, it would go under very quickly. A win-win, really. Edit: I like how he resorts to slamming his fist into the door first, *then* asks if there's a cash tip, LMFAO

[@DomCTBG]

how is it a win to not have the option of getting food delivered to your home?

[@blackdandelion5549]

@@DomCTBG Well, either doordash needs to charge appropriately for the services they are providing to be able to pay their drivers or they lose drivers and they lose customers from drivers asking for a tip because their wage is so low. Doordash is also not the only company out there for food delivery as Ubereats is around as well as others and many places have their own delivery drivers who they actually have to pay and have enough deliveries to make it worth having that business deliver. There has been an option of having food delivered to your home for over 30 years and there used to be a slogan about it being in 30 min or less or it's free.

[@amethystwyvern]

We are not doordash employees, therefore the entire video is wrong.

[@snake5solid]

Louis, there's a tall, strong, very angry man punching on your door and harassing you through the phone. There's absolutely no way I'm opening the door or explaining anything on the call. It's dangerous for a man, it's even more dangerous for a woman or a teenager. And that's on top of the fact that he's not owed an explanation and the explanation itself will be just a way to escalate the situation.

[@kylecyr8999]

Agreed F that i think even explaining "Look it came out to be $30 for this food which was way above my budget sorry" would have just sent him into potentially bashing downing the door this dude did't look stable.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Yeah that was a terrible take from Louis. This isn't an exploited worker. This is a huge angry guy that's got used to bullying people into getting what he wants. He deserves no explanation, no tip and no more job. I mean he's the sort of person who can't even hold down a delivery job FFS.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Statistically it's more dangerous for a man, but I agree with you

[@asparceproton1]

Tipping before the service is rendered is crazy. I can’t even believe this is an actual precedent these days.

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

so i spending the gas and wear on your car to deliver someone food without guarenteed money

[@JohannOldman]

If delivery services aren’t paying their employees or contractors adequately, that hardly occurs to the average consumer. Many people assume tips are always extra, and don’t realize that, for example, tipped staff are not eligible for minimum wage.

[@ML-sc3pt]

​@@TheFamousMockingbird sounds like you need your company to pay you more.

[@ML-sc3pt]

​@@JohannOldman bullshit They are eligible for it. They just only get that lower rate until your tips don't meet the difference between it and minimum wage

[@landonp629]

It isn’t really a tip… doordash calls it that, but ultimately it’s how much you are willing to bid for be to bring your food to you. I’m not a doordash employee - I’m a contractor that contracts with doordash to deliver food on their behalf. Doordash is a middle-man providing the ordering app to you, not a delivery company. When ordering doordash, just keep this in mind.

[@PaulV.]

In almost every other country except the US and Canada tipping is optional and 10% considered to be a tip from the satisfied customer. On the other hand in all those countries businesses are similary not allowed to pay their employees just one third of the country minimal wage.

[@tonisvalk5780]

I have never tipped, because this is not the norm where I live, employers actually pay here. About this video, I totally agree with the customer. If someone delivers my food for me, they are not doing anything extra for me, only their job for which their employer should pay and for which the customer already payed the delivery fee I'm guessing. Why would the customer pay extra for nothing?

[@gfdgdfgdfgdfggfdgdfgdfgdfg9709]

I would hang up too when a delivery guy knocks the door like that

[@LOLWHATBRO]

id call the cops if he punched my door like that lmfao.

[@matt-603]

I’d go out there with my gun. This is how these ppl get shot, thinking there’s no mofos with weapons who aren’t afraid to use it.

[@JimmyFantage]

@@matt-603 You're gonna the cops called on you some day.

[@Kabodanki]

@@matt-603 You would have cowardly hide in your bathtub. My dude try to act tough in on the internet lol

[@KoalaG888]

In Japan no one tips EVER, at all... because it's an insulting cultural practice

[@KoalaG888]

@Chief Sitting American And that explains precisely why the US is turning into sht-hole.

[@shawdou3327]

I agree with that. It is pretty much insult. You are supposed be paid good enough for your job and not to be dependent on the good will of the ordering person. By tipping you are almost saying that person you tip to is not paid enough and needs your tip.

[@emptystuff1593]

I learned that's because it would make an argument that they provide great service to get a good tip, but they're expected to provide great service in any circumstance. And I went to Japan, and man, the service is top-notch everywhere. The only time I didn't have great service in a 3 weeks period, was because of a racist restaurant owner, which didn't expect anything but Japanese customers. And one of the customers took the order for us instead of the owner, who was trying to make us feel uncomfortable.

[@KoalaG888]

@Chief Sitting American Australia - similar culture: No one tips or expects to be tipped. It encourages dodgy employers to under pay employees. And the Tax department will hunt down a business dealing in undeclared income

[@KoalaG888]

@@emptystuff1593 Sounds like you made the mistake of going to an Izakaya? - There's an informal understanding that you must be able to speak Japanese to get through the door of any Izakaya (small bar/restaurant). If it was in Tokyo or Osaka or a large city and there were no signs in English, that's the hint gaijin aren't welcome

[@kingrix]

If it was actually Doordash, there is no employer. Gig workers file their taxes as independent contractors. They can complain that Doordash doesn't charge enough for deliveries, but will likely be told they are free to find other work. Gig work is, by nature, highly exploitative.

[@stevensaid2200]

The problem with these door dash and uber type jobs where you are working out of an app on your phone is you don’t really have a bosses office you can stroll into and ask for a raise. The model is fucked from top to bottom.

[@T00LF00L]

Dude I so agree with you. When I get delivery from doordash or whatever I give them $5-6 and I often feel like they weren’t even worth that much, they barely speak while handing me my order. However there’s this one Chinese restaurant near me that STILL offers free delivery and I always give that guy $10 cash because he is so kind and courteous, and he is incredibly grateful every time.

[@nomaderic]

Why the hell do you want someone to hand you your order that's weird. Just leave it at the door like a normal person

[@noticer3721]

@@nomaderic lmao, I'd love to walk by and just stomp the f outa your food on the ground.

[@T00LF00L]

Um no, why the fuck would I want my food left at the door? I don’t eat food off the ground like normal people.

[@tissuepaper9962]

​@@nomaderic obsessively avoiding social contact with strangers is *not normal* and definitely not healthy, buddy.

[@nomaderic]

@tissuepaper9962 I'm the most social person I know. I love talking to everyone. That said my question still stands. Does the mailman wait at your door to hand you mail. Does the Amazon driver stand at your door and wait to hand you a package?? No, then why do you want the doordash driver to do that? I have over 20k deliveries all over the country. I do around 20 orders per day and I only have maybe 2 orders per week where the customer wants me to hand them the food. 99.9 percent of customers want the order left at the door. Expecting the driver to wait for you to come to the door and hand you the food is weird. The customer is being weird not the driver

[@mariosuarez3411]

While in the USA, I went to a Japanese restaurant once. I got very lousy service by a very distracted waitress who did a very good job of neglecting our table, despite the restaurant not being very busy at that time. When we were done, we got up and we left without leaving a tip. The waitress followed us outside, demanded a tip and when I refused, she angrily asked why. These are the kind of situations that tipping creates. I have no need for that.

[@SquareTableDegenerates]

In the USA, even for horribe service, you should minimum still tip 15%.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

@@SquareTableDegenerates If you get horrible service from the person who you tip (the waiter) you shouldnt have to tip anything. Now that is only if THEY provide horrible service. Attitude, never showing up, visibly doing fuck all.. etc. Your food being late and lost in the kitchen, or your food being made wrong despite your order being written correctly, is NOT the waiters fault. Still give the waiter full tip in that situation.

[@vereenigdeoostindischecomp9932]

No, i only tip when they deserve it. Tipping isn't something tp gove away it is the extra you get for providing me a good service and treating me woth respect. Like this dude if he pounces on my door i will never give him a tip. Fucking hell. Try to fight for more pay.

[@based980]

@@SquareTableDegenerates no.

[@blotto7162]

@@SquareTableDegenerates no

[@yaweno9555]

I avoid places that put me on the spot to tip or tracks non-tippers so they can spit in the food the next time you order. Tips represent a reward for the quality of service received. Crappy service, no tip. No effort for the service, no tip. Reasonable service, average tip. Above and beyond service, huge tip. Attitude from employees, no more business - period!

[@anthonysaunders345]

The biggest problem is that our economic model is built upon paying garbage wages to retail and (non-tipped) services and hospitality employees. If people get paid a fair wage the owner will never absorb the cost, he'll try to pass it on to the customer and customers will just not buy that product or service again. That's what I mean by the problem being our economic model. Our economy can't function without the "working poor" class of people, and that's sad.

[@nullismstudio]

All good points. Was recently asked to tip 30% on a carryout order. Since that's where the culture is going, I've stopped using doordash, ubereats, and eating out nearly as much.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

If you notice restaurants are now asking 18-20% in tips.

[@harley6948]

I've also stopped using delivery services because I understand their frustration and that they are trying to make ends meet. I understand this is what they can do to earn themselves money and ANYTHING extra would help them more. But I also REFUSE to let someone make me feel bad about not tipping "enough". I'm more likely to tip big in the winter, especially around big shopping holidays, and in the summer when it's really hot. Otherwise, I'm probably not gonna 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@MrAntiKnowledge]

There's been cases where the self checkout at supermarkets asks you to leave a tip. It's getting ridiculous.

[@jameshughes3014]

Thank you. The whole concept of expected tipping needs to be abolished. It's an excuse to pay unfairly low wages. But this is exactly right, if you're not getting paid enough get mad at your company, or get a different job. Make them struggle to find employees.

[@AcolyteofRlyeh]

IS it fair that I have to pay extra for my food, when you can't deliver a good service? Cuz that's what will happen when wages go up, the costumer will have to pay tips through the bill, and the service won't increase the slightest. "unfairly low wages" is a stupid concept.

[@jameshughes3014]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh yes. it is fair that you pay a fair price. if you are too poor to order it, go buy it yourself like the rest of us.

[@SaintBrick]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh If you think will change you're mad. The rest of the world figured this out long ago.

[@Goodmanperson55]

@@AcolyteofRlyeh The rest of the world calls it a "service charge". A good service should be a minimum bar to uphold for any service job. That's kinda the entire point. And it's pretty easy to make the argument that the reason why service workers are not good at their job is because their salary isn't giving them a reason to uphold this reasonable minimum found in the rest of the world.

[@AcolyteofRlyeh]

@@Goodmanperson55 Denmark got some of the highest wages in the world, but the service is shit.