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[@Evnmcphrsn]

Everytime I get romantic about NYC from all the media propaganda, I just watch a Louis video and get my reality check. ❤

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Same here. I miss my old NYC, but its gone. I was reminiscing about the old days of 42nd St...shady af but so fun. Now, I have no desire left for the rotten apple.

[@nickstone1167]

Feeling Nostalgic or Optimisic about NYC? Take one Louis Rossmann NYC-Flavored pill a day, call your doctor if symptoms persist or reemerge within 12 hours.

[@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849]

@@RipRoaringGarage I grew up in Manhattan in the late-70's/early-80's and remember the NYC you're talking about. It had a different feel back then. I'm a musician and used to ride my skateboard from W 92nd to music row on 48th. Hang out, play some guitars, get a falafel in the Diamond district then walk south and watch the 42nd Street circus. Now I live in Las Vegas. The Strip now is probably more dangerous than the current Times Square. 😅

[@RipRoaringGarage]

@@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 I remember the 80s and 90s. Drove a bus into PA. There were dangerous parts, but like the ACDC song...I felt safe in NYC back then. Now, its random, and chaotic. I can handle a guy with a knife or a 9 mil pointed at me but this, people and press at your door the next day or at your job? Pass...

[@M167A1]

Jokes aside I've always wondered why this sort of thing is always referred to as " vibrant"

[@moganstavs]

My sister lives in NYC and literally got punched in the face by a random woman in the subway. They didn't speak beforehand or interact at all. She just stood up to exit and got clocked in the eye. No one did or said anything. Now she's afraid of random acts of violence. Statistics won't convince her otherwise and I don't blame her.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Time to move.

[@sergpie]

Low trust societies. Gotta love the diversity…

[@jackdorseysdisappointedfather]

She kinda deserved it for living in new york.😥🤷‍♂️

[@zexx1lion]

I'd suggest pepper spray for people who are worried about their safety. If it's legal in your state/country - get it.

[@sreny148]

i think the issue with statistics is this: for car accidents probably close to 100% of them get reported, so they end up in statistics i think for public transport the number is far below 100% but as i am not from the US i might be wrong about it there, but pretty sure in EU it would be like that

[@ArlingtonMatrix]

Imagine living in an area where you can be minding your own business, talking to your youtube audience, and a cat sneaks up on you and knocks your smartphone on the ground @6:00.

[@chrxs61632]

I doubt he’ll report it to the police too

[@trax72]

I wouldn't feel safe

[@ThePC007]

Even that cat doesn’t feel safe, judging from that paranoid look right after dropping the phone.

[@Brumsey99989]

I’d be less worried about criminals than what the city government would do to me if I had to defend myself.

[@Brutaltronics]

They also count as criminals

[@kpcraftster6580]

The last 110 years of US history summed up in a single sentence.

[@jackdorseysdisappointedfather]

Yeah but see, it's that coward thinking that is the reason noone intervenes anymore. Got them city dwelling heathens trained up right.🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@edgarhilbert4797]

​@@kpcraftster6580 2023 - 110 = 1913. Is very short, is missing as a example Franklin.

[@ronnyspanneveld8110]

yeah since everyone lives in the USA right :P

[@_Aarius_]

Comstat broke policing in a lot of places. By not dealing with crime, less gets reported, numbers go down, cops pat themselves on the back. Vicious cycle

[@RuSosan]

Cops are educated and motivated by the system to solve cases decisively and quickly, not accurately and fairly. For example, the amount of sexual assault victims they turn into "false" accusers by dirty interrogation techhniques is sickening.

[@ninjacats1647]

@@RuSosan You made an argument unsupported by any sources, so I'm going to say citation needed.

[@RuSosan]

@@ninjacats1647 The documentary Victim/Suspect for one.

[@interstellarsurfer]

​@@RuSosanBased. 👍

[@bow2augusto]

The statistics are a lie anyways. One night, a guy followed me home and tried to get into my apartment. The NYPD didn't even take a report because he "didn't damage the door" attempting to break in. I'm not joking.

[@rossmanngroup]

That sounds like the police department with a budget of 6 billion dollars I remember dealing with when I lived there!

[@walkingcontradiction223]

​@@menjolnoSo.. You can ascertain a persons political affiliation from a post? Bet you're fun at parties, oh wait..

[@bbbbbbb51]

​@@cheekyjebus5559 I wish. Truly, my dream again.

[@tristan7216]

A woman in my mother's building near Columbia U committed s--- a few years ago. By stabbing herself in the heart, right through her chest plate. NYC police depts use software called COMSTAT to track crime rates, and the get demerits for serious crimes. So officers will downgrade crimes in their districts to keep the numbers nice. This was discussed in an episode of This American Life a few years back, they described the following vignette: A woman was R'ed in a vacant lot, reported it, but she was a, umm, lady of the evening, so the officers reclassified it as theft of services.

[@Bigwheels161616]

@@walkingcontradiction223 I know what you think but he's not a libertarian. Most likely a stalker

[@TheGrandShadow_DERPTASTIC]

Politicians are tricky with their statistics. I'm not gonna say which politicians. But I remember back in university I had a nice debate with a good friend and the topic of unemployment came up. He claimed that unemployment went down during x politicians term for y populace. Something I had recently learned in economics class at the time was that the government had recently changed the definition of unemployment, by adding 2 new terms. "Part of the workforce", and "Out of the workforce." To be part of the work force, you have to either have a job, or be actively seeking one. To be out of the workforce, you have to not have a job, and not be seeking one. New definition of unemployed is part of the workforce. ie: no job, but seeking one. So while my friend was showing me the downward trend of unemployment for x politician, I asked him to look up the statistic for "out of the workforce" on the same site. Not only was it rising, but when you looked at the charts side by side, they had practically equal but opposite slopes. (No change) X politicians claim of reduced unemployment, was just them sweeping that statistic under another rug called "Out of the work force" Politicians greatest weapon is words, and they are tricky with them.

[@Dsworddance22]

The classic U3 vs U6 unemployment rates. I wish we normalize using U6 as the default because it includes discouraged and underemployed workers

[@actually5004]

Nice Reddit spacing.

[@NoName-oy2tk]

I do think that is the issue with stats really. Most people probably overreacting to the wrong stuff anyways. I mean you can probably make stats about anything, but its knowing which stats are important to focus on. Maybe that is why they say stats are subjective.

[@ianmorris8534]

Same in the UK dude, they change the defenition of so many metrics so many times that they become meaningless....... all we experience is more impoverishment, cuts to essential spending, being overworked and underpaid, all whilst our rulers and their buisness assocciates become unaccountably wealthier...

[@TheGrandShadow_DERPTASTIC]

@@actually5004 its funny how English was my worst class, and I figured I was just bad at it. But then I go on the internet...

[@jilbertb]

My real estate lawyer gave me great advise. Go to the place SEVERAL times. Hang out, go to the parks, go shopping, walk your dog, etc... really SEE the place b4 you buy.

[@HDReMaster]

@@cheekyjebus5559 white = less crime TLDR

[@amicaaranearum]

I’ll add: • visit the home and yard shortly after heavy rain • visit the area at night

[@Tiberius_Gracchus]

As someone who has ridden the nyc subway system for many years: i can confirm what Louis is saying. Probably the most uncomfortable situation: you’re packed in a subway, in the height of summer, and the air conditioning is broken in the car you’re in. Everyone is sweating, everyone is on edge. Its like an emotional tinderbox waiting to be lit. It doesn’t happen frequently to be fair, but a statistic could never capture that level of discomfort.

[@Xander1Sheridan]

I'd rather live in the country and walk to work.

[@Olivia-W]

My experience is that those subway cars will be emptier than the Arizona desert, and most stragglers will move into the next car (naturally through the illegal doors).

[@GRORGvideot]

Sounds like that subway scene in Predator 2 although it was LA

[@Prophetofcthulhu]

imagine if subway would get funding to fix AC and have more trains so it would not be so packed

[@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA]

@@Prophetofcthulhu No the issue isnt more trains, theres plenty the issue is they dont know how to schedule and keep them running properly so this is why they get packed because of delays in service because some asshat is playing around instead of driving the fucking bus/train same with the dispatch center or fucking off funds soo much they neglect the maintainence of the service and the vehicles leading to too frequent breakdowns in which you have delays where nobody knows the schedule and every ride is 30+mins away instead of it being every 5 to 10mins like clockwork

[@Sundown_Clown474]

What you said about people going "missing" in rural areas was a little eye-opening to me, too. I've lived in a rural area my whole life and it's always seemed strange to me how often I hear about police finding bodies since there's a virtually infinite number of places I can think of to hide a body where it's almost certain no one will find it.

[@chaos.corner]

A lot of rural areas are caught up in the opioid epidemic too so it's not impossible a lot of missing people just ODed.

[@Blizofoz45]

Ironically he failed to provide any kind of relevant statistic about missing person reports from rural areas. It's never been easier to fact check someone's claims...

[@knuckles7410]

But for every dead body found, how many still missing and will never be find/identified...?

[@archiethedog4515]

I like to be where I feel my government hates me the least.

[@rossmanngroup]

This is why I moved to Texas.

[@inuendo6365]

@@rossmanngroup And why my favorite bartender moved out of there! Texass is great for exploitative businesses but sucks for hard working employees, especially women at restaurants.

[@skyjelly9790]

You won't find a single inch of space like that in the US or especially western civilization in general.

[@gabrielebursi5509]

Louis and a Not just bikes collab? OH YES PLEASE

[@moderngamer136]

I believe this is called 'reporting bias'. People never take into account who reports what crimes, where, when, or why others wouldn't. Edit: this phenomenon occurs in all statistics, not just crime stats

[@somedud1140]

Then there's misinterpretation of statistics on the public side. Even if some places have 10 times the average crime rate, it doesn't mean everyone gets victimized there all the time! It means you have higher chance of getting victimized.

[@irae9]

News media don't even talk about statistics in the first place most of the time, and even if they do it's just citing numbers out of context. They hand-pick stories and over-dramatize stuff in order to clickbait you. One of the best things of all you can do for your sanity, regardless of where you live/work, is stop watching/reading any mainstream news outlet. They specialize in getting you worked up/depressed about stuff that usually either isn't an issue in the first place or isn't relevant to your life - and THAT will take a toll on your mental health. Anything you actually need to know about your area's politics, public transit, crime rate etc you can just go directly to the source and bypass the news outlets and their drama/opinions. Just punch it into a search engine and go from there. Chances are you'll get better info, and more details, with less fluff. If you need traffic data, Google Maps has you covered, with real-time data by area. If you need "news" related to your industry, again do a search for that stuff; mainstream news outlets don't even cover those topics in the first place. If you need weather data for your area, you can get this directly from the NOAA....and other govt branches for stuff like hurricanes/tornadoes/wildfires/etc if you're in an area that has these. News media are just a shoddy form of entertainment that don't offer you any real value.

[@mariokarter13]

I'm reminded of an old Bill Burr joke. "Did you know that most shark attacks occur in shallow water?" "Yes! Because that's where the people are!"

[@Mightydoggo]

One of the many reasons why I try to avoid bigger cities at all costs: I was riding the train through Germany literally just once, I got stolen from in Frankfurt and almost attacked by a bunch of literal kids on Berlin main Station. Like wtf is wrong with those ppl? Statistics are not only always skewed, they also rarely include the fact we are usually talking about *hot spots.* You might have a 5% chance to get attacked in Berlin in general, but it might be a 70% when you´re at the main train station. Now you kinda can´t avoid using that one, can you? Btw did I mention it´s almost impossible to legally defend your self here? Technically it´s legal, you are just not allowed to have _any_ kind of weapon. No sticks, no sprays, nothing, especially not in public. Like what am I supposed to do, Chuck Norris away the guy with a knife? lol

[@euchale]

Its impressive, did you have like a sign of "hit me" on your forhead? Been living here for over 30 years and travelled lots. The only violent crime I have witnessed was back when I still went to clubs and there were a lot of drunk young people. Stealing is indeed a problem, but violence or "unruly youths" isn´t something I witnessed much. TBF, I have only been to Berlin a few times and it does have a certain "reputation"

[@hakayonder3396]

@@euchale I've been living in a rather small town located somewhere between Mainz and Mannheim and use bus for travel to work. Nothing ever happened to me, no one even insulted me on the train or on the station even when it's early evening. Yet one guy I recently talked to said he witnessed a drunkie slowly coming at him with a knife out at night at a train station so he ran away and saw how the drunkie attacked an old man nearby who didn't see him or just didn't react, fatally wounding him over 10 times, for which he was arrested later. These things happen, even if they're not common. For biggers cities, just because you have more people, it's more likely to happen, but you're still able to avoid seeing any of it also due to the same factor. Most people are normal so majority of the population will not experience anything bad.

[@khajiit8221]

I live in a major city in Scotland, UK. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. The image I got from mainstream TV and movies was that everyone in the USA carries a firearm and you could get shot wandering around any major US city at anytime randomly. Of course, in my older and wiser years I realise there is violent crime in every major city in the world, even here where firearms are banned, we have a knife crime issue (among other things) and are as politically divided as anywhere. A common sense approach to your own personal safety is all that is required anywhere you go.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Tbh most people don't carry a gun, and it's in decline, the main reason why is because carrying is made to be incredibly difficult to do so without getting in trouble, in citites in particular, where the basically don't let people own legal guns, so the majority of them are imported via straw buying

[@chaos.corner]

@@calebbarnhouse496 Many places are making it easier to carry than ever. The number of states with some form of constitutional carry is now *up* to 26.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@chaos.corner that's only one aspect, you are still considered a threat to any cop you talk to because they do not want you armed

[@chaos.corner]

@@calebbarnhouse496 That's a tangent.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@chaos.corner its direct

[@bugostare]

Yeah... Statistics often get 'marketed' with nonsense like "numbers don't lie", while completely overlooking the way they're collected and/or interpreted. You can collect and interpret data to say whatever you want, just like with normal lies, being numeric data doesn't make it any more reliable.

[@hungrymusicwolf]

Numbers may not lie, but people certainly do lie about the numbers. That includes the people gathering and/or creating the methods / systems for gathering the data. And even when you're technically honest about the data, you still are biased in the choice of which data you call relevant. One example I like to use is the violence statistics. If you take statistics of boys bullying you (generally) find a much higher rate of boys hitting and other violent acts than girls. But girls tend to bully through something that's called reputation destruction (or some other name with reputation in it, I don't remember exactly). I am almost certain that if you then include acts such as self-harm or suicide as a result from reputation destruction form of bullying, then you'll find that girls suddenly become the significantly worse side of the equation. Why you may ask? Because social manipulation does not get punished in schools but physical violence does. So obviously it would be used much more frequently and do much more harm. So the simple assumption of "direct violence" being considered the "only form of violence" as a result of bias leads to confirming the biased world view. Statistics because of that are very often more so the result of the biases of the culture of the people that measure it than the actual reality on the ground. I may have been a bit excessive in how much I wrote in this comment. It's just a bit of a touchy subject for me.

[@specialopsdave]

This is why kids need to pay attention in Statistics class. I did, and can very easily notice most stats as being BS, simply because of confounding variables.

[@platinumsun4632]

confounding?

[@specialopsdave]

@@platinumsun4632 Statistics term. Basically a confounding variable is a factor that can change your results, despite not being what was tested for. That's why large sample sizes are so important, as for example, in a health experiment, that person's diet, excercise and lifestyle are confounding variables; Of course more fatties will die on new medicines than healthy adults.

[@specialopsdave]

@@cheekyjebus5559 That's just stupidity, and statistics clearly don't have anything to do with it. Hate to steal from 2013, but don't feed the trolls.

[@anomonyous]

Finally. Someone who understand the basics of statistics, data and data gathering. I thought I was the last man left on Earth who realised this and/or wasn't too corrupt to admit it. Thank you for existing.

[@dkgong]

The funny thing is my local news keeps showing muggings, burglaries, car-jackings, and shootings, but then turns around and says crime is down statistically. smh

[@sage5296]

Turns out "nothing happened at this local grocery store today, totally normal with no altercations" isn't the sorta clickbaity news that they want

[@mememan9890]

Those aren't mutually exclusive , ya know.

[@msa3491]

Got Cat Baited by Clinton again 😂

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

Literally catfished

[@tonycrabtree3416]

Kitty is such a tease at times.

[@PepeMetallero]

A very disgusting practice

[@ducciboi]

My cousin who lives in NYC no longer goes to the subway because he said he didn't want to get stabbed. Another cousin who was visiting had a crazy homeless woman knocking on her hotel room door and giggling then starts sprinting up and down the hallway which apparently the hotels were housing homeless. I'm kinda glad I got to see NYC pre covid because I'd rather avoid that place like the plague now.

[@Olivia-W]

On the other hand, in post Covid NYC you can actually sit down in the subway a lot, so personally it's better.

[@matsurifan]

Statistics are never a be-all end-all. People don't have time to live and experience every situation, so statistics is a great way to quickly and easily compare places. But that should only be the beginning of their research. Statistics is a summary of collected data. If the data is never collected, it can't be reported. The main problem is that people/media misuse or misunderstand the limitations of whatever stat is in question.

[@Haisui]

I used to not have a car and had to use public transport a lot, I noticed that in bigger cities, drunk and pushy men would sit next to me and start flirting even if I tell them I'm not interested and there was very little I could do about it, sometimes they would even switch seats if I have as well and it lead to me leaving the bus multiple times in the middle of the journey and just waiting for the next one.

[@25EllisDee25]

what to do when you get off the bus to catch the next one, and the guy gets off at the next stop and walks a block or two back to where you are waiting, a now you don't have a bus driver or other passengers to intervene if he starts getting more than a little flirty? i hope you carried a large knife or some sort of weapon.

[@Haisui]

@@25EllisDee25 that's sometimes a worry and if you get that vibe you can walk to another stop, your journey will be longer but you would lose them.

[@michelleadams5609]

Your thumbnails have improved big time, can't explain why. I'm a dog person, but Mr. Clinton gets mad respect. ❤

[@realmstupid-on8df]

That kid had to have been so scared when that guy was doing that. The kid has no clue that the guy isn't going to do anything. That crap is traumatic to a kid on public transit. I feel so bad. What was her mom doing anyway? It sounds like she was just counting to distract her. Like I hope those parents talked with that kid after to process what just happened. So many parents wouldn't.

[@jessicav2031]

Let's be fair here, Louis. Even though we are the same height, how we appear as a target to a criminal is completely different. And, the things a criminal might want from us are also different. I wouldn't want to walk around any city downtown area at 3am drunk, and it isn't because I watch too much Fox News.

[@ChadAV69]

I agree. I am a tad short (5’3) but as a man I can build a lot more strength than the average woman can.

[@Number69]

​@@ChadAV69 you also do not have a vagina is her point.

[@aliberkozderya3112]

Some aspects of human nature make criminals target woman more while some other aspects make them target men more. Sure, you two would appear as very different targets but, that difference wouldn't always play out in favor of Louis. You are absolutely right about not walking outside at night drunk. No piece of statistics could make me feel safe about doing that. I don't even feel safe walking around at night with headphones on unless I'm in a big crowd.

[@Number69]

@@aliberkozderya3112 i used to walk around at night playing pokemon go on 2 phones, never an issue here. Granted im big but just not particularly dangerous here (ireland). Bad drink and drug problems but not violent. Back to the point I also do not think if someone shouted something stupid at me it would bother me whereas it would be very unsettling if you were physically vulnerable.

[@aliberkozderya3112]

@@Number69 you say "back to the point" but then start talking about people shouting at each other while the topic is violent crime. Yes, it feels unsettling when I am physically vulnerable and wearing headphones outside at night makes me exactly that by impairing my hearing. That is why I don't feel safe wearing them. If you feel otherwise, that's fine as well.

[@georgewashington3012]

Read articles written by liberal media when someone shoots an assailant such as a home intruder. The liberal writer always throws in some snarky comment like “No charges have yet been filed against the homeowner.” The implication they intend for the reader is that the homeowner clearly should not have defended themselves and charges may be pending as a result. Instead, they should write about how the thug who was shot was a lifetime criminal and highlight their rap sheet.

[@thatxdamnxgirl7416]

I wish there were more people like you in this world - keep fighting the good fight!

[@swagmuffin9000]

There is a 0% chance of you getting into an accident and also a 0% chance of being mugged in nyc if you avoid living in and visiting there. I like those odds a lot more

[@jattikuukunen]

Where do you prefer getting beaten?

[@swagmuffin9000]

@@jattikuukunen I never have been

[@jebotipasmater]

The lock chains (at least the quality ones) are mostly made out of hardened steel, while the handrails are usually not hardened, making them much easier to cut.

[@thepeff]

I wanna know how we get those trains in Japan where nobody makes eye contact with each other the entire trip. That's what the US needs

[@Demopans5990]

More of a Japan thing. Everyone is polite, sometimes unnervingly so

[@amicaaranearum]

And everything is clean.

[@Apollo-iq1vx]

I mean, women getting groped and touched is such a huge problem over there that they have separate train cars specifically for women with no men allowed in them. Also, they literally have a job where someone packs people into overfilled trains like a can of sardines lmao

[@naturalroyalflush]

A very valid assessment of statistics. I love this presentation style, especially when your beautiful cat joins the conversation.

[@recowabunga7200]

Spot on. You're a clever man to put into words what a lot of us can't articulate.

[@iroccata]

Most car accidents are due to driver's fault, mostly reckless driving. Statistics tells us the chance for someone being that asshole, but as long as you are not him, driving is far less risky than statistics let us know. Thinking that you have the same risk of dying as the mean is as thinking that having a healthy life and exercise has no effect in your life expectancy....

[@micahheller6212]

Interesting fact, if you take the hospital definition of serious injury and apply it to these situations the statistic reverses, you end up with a similar amount of public transit cases but many eliminated vehicle crashes and minor bumps that get reported. It makes the statistic reflect reality in a much better way. Basically due to what you mentioned about being screamed at not reflecting in the statistics neither should fender benders.

[@couldyou4745]

Thank you for confirming exactly what I was assuming. Funny how that works. I've grown to not trust stats at all. Statistics will always be unreliable as long as we leave it up to humans to report them. There are so many questions I have when someone offers statistics as an argument to anything. There are always some things that aren't accounted for. People love statistics because it makes them feel like they have a concrete understanding of what happens in the world. Unfortunately it's just a cope. Best to accept that nobody really knows much of anything. And to focus on your own life experience while also taking into account all of the experience of the people who you trust. Hopefully you're a good judge of character.

[@mememan9890]

​@@couldyou4745 if statistics are unreliable because of humans , do you not trust what anyone says?

[@corr2143]

I took Toronto Transit daily as a high school student in 2012ish and later in college, in those many years I was assaulted once, even as a tall man with no earbuds in. Another time almost attacked in a washroom. These days there are more bursts of anger I've noticed when I visit a few times a year, it's gotten even worse. I no longer live in the big city, I don't make much money but I'll always take uber in that city now, even if it dips into my savings. I would NEVER move back to a large city even if I made a lot more money. Feels good to be more poor but less stressed. City life is dreadful. Its nice enough to live close enough to visit.

[@rustyrobinson8027]

I've been thinking the same thing Louis thanks

[@TheBenSanders]

Love the Not Just Bikes shout out!

[@NoConn]

Holy shit my first Louis video in years and I show up right as he posts a video

[@Bushpig22]

There are many occasions when Louis puts out a video that has content that doesn't interest me in the slightest, I will simply listen to his calm demeanor to bring my blood pressure down. Thank you for all that you do for people, Louis.

[@humbughumbughumbug]

How it started: "NYC crime isn't that bad, stop watching Fox news..." How it ends: "NYC is crazy full of crime and the police most likely shoot you in the face when you report anything."

[@DocNo27]

I enjoyed riding the metro in DC - until more and more homeless started camping on it and they did nothing about it. Even the ones who kept to themselves still stank to high heaven. It was not nice. Much better to now be in a situation where I don't need to commute - period. Now if all the people who profess to love big cities will just stay there!

[@kydoctorsforlife8728]

Public transit is NOT even an option for many car drivers too, Louis. That's another quality point to mention. For example, here in Louisville, we have some TARC busses, but they don't always connect you to the destination you would wish to go to. I may be able to go from the south end to downtown but not direct from the south end to St. Matthews.

[@jattikuukunen]

Louis was talking about the choice of living in the city or in the suburbs. Where you choose to live is already a part of the choice of if you will use public transit or not.

[@mememan9890]

@@jattikuukunen I think that commenter wanted to extend transit options out to other regions.

[@roadtrip2943]

Nyc raised arizona guy here. Not having my kids lunch money taken by hostile at school is a successful life, not having my kids grow up in a walk-up tiny shabby apartment but having their own room in a nice house in nice towns is a successful life.

[@Mandragara]

Even if people have irrational fears, calling them irrational doesn't make them go away. Humans have a lot of behaviours that aren't logical, or mathematically optimal etc. You have to plan around that

[@B.Ch3rry]

That’s very unfortunate… The onus should be on the transit authorities randomly riding undercover to catch fools like that!

[@wdolgae]

Always lived in the countryside and very glad I am. Sure, I have a 30 to 40 minute commute to work, but the relative peace and quiet make it worth it.

[@tamarathejudeochristianmedium]

In NYC, I was harassed a lot on the streets, on the subway, at the hospital and many places, during the pandemic. Also, citizens app has been out of control since the pandemic. Racism and crime skyrocketed and I saw it first hand 💙🙏🏻💙

[@someguy3717]

I almost considered your perspective, until I read that you are a medium. You clearly have an unhealthy warped perception. Let me guess, you were yelling at people for wearing masks and 'offending' god, so people laughed at you. You took that as a slight, so now here we are. You are the crazy person on the street.

[@medleysa]

I think you nailed the hammer in the face with your point about severity of the accident. Yes, flying is statistically safer than driving as there are fewer accidents in planes than in cars, but the severity of accidents in cars is significantly less than in planes. Same with your point that a fender bender is less sever than getting yelled at by a crazy person, even though the fender bender is far more likely to happen.

[@spaceboi231]

Why conflate news stories and statistics? If anything they're diametrically opposed. The anecdotal nature of singular news stories does created a warped view of danger, you're right. But statistics are the complete opposite! Taking public transit really is orders of magnitudes safer than driving a car.

[@dragonneptune]

I think its necessary to include everything including statistics when you are considering situations like this. Because while you can use your experience, your experience can be very out of the norm, which isn't always reliable. For example. Those kind of altercations you showed in the video, I didn't really see more than once every few years, until around the time of the pandemic (I'm a 31 year old NYer). So for me to assume that's how the subway always is, and is therefore super safe would be problematic. and while the statistics aren't perfect and wouldn't be a perfect representation of a city, they would help factor in whether or not I would recommend a city or not. We need to take every source of information we can and work out and dissect where and how to apply them. and disregarding any of those things would be problematic. Also not saying you are arguing to throw out statistics. Just putting my two cents out there

[@monadic_monastic69]

It's ok to include statistics, but you need to know how to read them like an actual statistician would, which is to hold off on the jumps to conclusions (and a lot of people are not good at statistics yet to begin with, we could do with improving that.. it's such a beautiful subject that gets super misappropriated).

[@Manganization]

what the guy above you explained, basically. People spout statistics like they mean anything on their own. The number of times I've noticed people on the internet just vomit stats and don't understand or can't explain why the stats they provided is useful to their argument.

[@monadic_monastic69]

@@Manganization It's like when people say someone's committing a fallacy because said person called them a shithead lol. No the other guy isn't making an argument he's just calling you a shithead. They don't understand how to use these tools.

[@shmockette7158]

@@Manganization I remember people being confused by a very simple to understand statistic, probably created intentionally: 51% of car accident deaths are people that don't wear their seatbelt. Upon first glance you'd think "Jesus Christ that's pretty much pointless." But using the tiniest bit of your brain, you would come to find that 1/10 people DON'T wear their seatbelt, meaning 10% of people make up 50% of the deaths. But the people were just too dumb to understand it though. It's Oklahoma too so likely they were just trying to convince us to not wear our seatbelt so they can profit by not manufacturing them so they can screw us over more.

[@oliverw.douglas285]

For those folks that don't live in New York, or aren't used to this type of behavior, they would object to having to contend with this everyday. It would be said, that it leads to a lower quality of life. My choice would be, to not live in such an area, rather than dealing with crazy or stupid. Just my two cents.

[@nimeshinlosangeles]

If you look at the full comment at 2:14 and their reply, the commenter ultimately is making the same point you're making - the stats may say that public transit is safer, but the experience of taking public transit can be more uncomfortable. Your assessment of stats and public transit is more common than this video would lead a viewer to believe!

[@TheNiteNinja19]

The movie Hot fuzz can somewhat accurately describe how it's like living in a small town. On the surface It may look quaint, quiet, very little going on. But as somebody who lives in a small town all my life, you start digging down and you find a lot of other things going on. Like my little town in Northern Michigan has more drugs per capita than the rest of the state.

[@edddiethetechguy]

Mornin' Angle

[@pookatim]

Well, quality of life is way more important than people think. I grew up in Newark, NJ in a neighborhood that was in decline. I didn't really realize the level of stress that was "normal" in my life. That is until I moved to a Suburban neighborhood in Central New Jersey. After moving in, I walked out of my house and suddenly I felt it. It was a sort of calmness I had never experienced before. It was a feeling like taking a deep breath after a strenuous exercise. It was remarkable. No need to look around to see who else is in proximity. No need to track the movements of people walking by. No need to pay attention to that car driving by. The thing is, back in Newark, I wasn't even aware I was doing these things.

[@kirilshahamov9392]

Feels great to be here so early. Big fan of what you do and your no bullshit approach! I am using the same mindset when it comes to trying to „repair“ in my field, and I must say, people are just happy! Thank you for who you are and what you do!

[@MegaLokopo]

I wouldn't blame public transit, I would blame the policies of the city and state. I have taken public transit more than once a day for five years now in salt lake city, utah, and never seen issues like what you showed in the video.

[@WaffleusRex]

Exactly. You very rarely see this sort of thing on subways/trains in Hong Kong, Japan, China, or even Russia. (I've also always wondered why it seems that train stations/subways in the West don't have barriers installed so people can't fall or be pushed onto the tracks.)

[@MegaLokopo]

@@WaffleusRex My guess would just be money. American's don't like spending money, unless they see something as a waste of money. We are very good at wasting money.

[@NothingXemnas]

I think this issue in public transit also comes down to why there is such an issue with gun control and gun ownership in the US; the country's education and health situation is so abysmal that it ripples into criminality. Public transit experience WILL SUCK when the average person using it is permanently desperate and stressed. And it affects drivers as well! Violent car incidents and road rage is RAMPANT! There is no such thing as "safer in a car" when, systematically, no one is safer at all, but much the opposite.

[@henryfleischer404]

I live in the Pacific Northwest, and take the bus to school regularly. I do not have to pay any attention to what is going on around me, aside from making sure I don't miss my stop.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@henryfleischer404 School bus, or public bus?

[@JexticJunior]

It's also cause the man in the video screaming is african american, he and the couple knows that he is a bit of a "protected class" in that circumstance. It was clearly racially motivated, and one of the reason I believe to why no one retaliated is cause they was afraid of the concequences of "attacking the oppressed" even if it is justified.

[@JChang0114]

I visted NYC and it was the first place where a crazy person got in my face and wouldn't go away. Never had that experience living in the suburbs.

[@yellingintothewind]

It is also the case that as a passanger in a vehicle (mass transit or otherwise), the outcome is largely out of your control. The bulk statistics reflect the average, which in this case is the average driver. If you are an average driver, you are only marginally competent to drive. If you compare the safety statistics for subway passangers to the statistics for drivers who have completed defensive driving courses, the ratio will invert. That is why insurance companies will often offer a substantial discount if you have completed an approved defensive driving class.

[@NickCombs]

It took me a while to realize why I'm not aligned with your viewpoint here, and it boils down to this: An unwell person who is threatening others in the tube is bad, agreed. But put that same unwell person in a large vehicle on the road and the threat everyone is 10x worse.

[@COMMANDERFOX31]

Thank you for the black cat thumbnail Louis, it makes me want to click the video even faster

[@henrycarlson7514]

So Wise , Thank You . Such a fine cat, I bet they and you are happier

[@RamkrishanYT]

1:44 Louis I'm a big fan of your channel and work for a long time, but I think this is the threshold of acceptance for me The implication of this statement that Tim Crook isn't a criminal is something that personally doesn't sit right with me

[@zdsae123456]

Appreciate the message. Ngl, the thumbnail made me think that Mr Clinton was impacted by a statistic 😂

[@TheCapn23]

A lot of people don't want to hear this but one of the problems is we don't have enough police officers. Peer countries with lower crime rates have way more cops. Law enforcement has to prioritize the type of crime to focus on when manpower is limited.

[@zariaeda007]

More cops don't mean anything if criminals aren't gonna be prosecuted for certain crimes or if they just get a slap on the wrist.

[@cripsterg.9425]

Statistics can be so easily manipulated I just ignore them unless I have the time to fully look into them. Crime rate isn’t all that high in Romania, we have no reported gun violence and it would seem that we are better of than the US when it comes to quality of life. It’s all bullshit, we are in the exact situation as NYC witch Louis describes but with everything bad amplified. A good family friend moved to NYC a couple years ago. It’s so bad here that to him the move felt like a massive improvement. Don’t trust statistics.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

I prefer cruising along in a car with my music and pull into a parking garage with my parking pass on my phone. It is far less stressful, and I find driving very relaxing. Likewise, I have a friend who used to use buses and trains, but once he started earning more and afforded a car, he never went back public transport because he did not want to deal with homeless people on a daily basis.

[@sovahc]

Great video Louis! 😌

[@jeffcard3623]

NYPD was like "I could write up a report, but it won't do anything" when our hotel room on 48th street was ransacked.

[@aragornstriderspock]

while watching this, i thought about the same thing in relation to flying vs driving. sure, its statistically safer to fly, but for many, its less stressful to drive. Being a nervous flyer myself, I have heard "flying is safer than driving" so many times.

[@purplepenguin43]

I went to school for aircraft mechanics and after school I believe even stronger that flying is much safer then driving. However in school i learned in detail all the ways that aircraft can and have failed in flight. Even though those kinds of accidents are (sometimes literally) 1 billion in 1 odds of happening and now have new FFA airworthiness directives or regulations to combat that exact failure mode after it the accident i studied in school happened so the chance of the same accident happening again is even🎉 lower. Even then i still can’t stop my brain from thinking about it everytime i get on a flight, i have to remind myself its safe, that im traveling using One of the safest modes of travel on one of the safest airlines (Alaska Airlines). I still have to make an effort to stop my brain thinking about all the ways that things could go wrong in this noisy cramped tube. (I think a lot of my flying fear would be reduced if airplanes were more comfortable, i think the cramped seating helps keep me on edge. ) I still fly, but im a much more nervous flyer now then before i knew the details about how safe it is, which from a metal health/logic perspective is fucked up. But that just seems to be how mine and many other aircraft mechanics i’ve talked to brains happen to work.

[@WudaThought]

Id never imagine louis being 5'6 somehow my mind cant picture that😂

[@ant2011]

Shortlivesmatter

[@kingzach74]

@@bones642 Or a gym chad.

[@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849]

Really? You can't tell just by watching the way he walks? You need to pay more attention to the people around you.

[@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849]

Also, people with a lot of self-confidence like Louis usually carry themselves like someone that a street thug won't bother messing with. Louis talks, acts and moves like someone who's going to fight back and to a mugger looking for an easy target, messing with him is more trouble than it's worth. I grew up in Manhattan and my dad taught me to walk and look like you owned the sidewalk, and he was right. We moved out to the suburbs when I was 16 and I moved back to the city at 21 for four years...I never had a problem with anyone starting shit with me. And I'm only 5'8".

[@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849]

@MB you're right, I think everyone does that. I grew up really tight w my cousin Alex and his dad was really strict and an intimidating dude. When I was around 14 or 15 I noticed that I was taller than him and that blew my mind because my perception was based on respecting & fearing him. He was only 5'6" but had a lot of big, loud, aggressive "larger than life" buddies who towered over him. He died in 1999 and I miss the heck out of him!

[@ChazZaldo]

Just spent half a year in Los Mochis Sinaloa Mexico with family and as I come from Canada lots of friends and family from my Mom’s side were very nervous and worried for me as what they had heard of Sinaloa was nothing but news about drugs, crime, and gang violence. After a month of being back in Canada I can confidently say Sinaloa is my home and the people are my family. There are so many places in the world to see and billions of people to talk to. You never know until you try

[@bassandtrebleclef]

"what you accept says who you are". That NYC residents accept this on trains and buses means they'll keep getting more of it until city council members, the mayor and police chief are thrown out of office.

[@SwiftySanders]

I don’t accept it. I think the city council, mayor etc are doing what they can. Many people in NYC say “its the big city” like there are no other big cities all over the world and their quality of life is significantly better and crime lower. So the Mayor and City Council is being handicapped by the Manhattan DA and by the most vocal minorities.

[@user-td4jo8lj9q]

Hi @Louis Rossman , I live 20 minutes away from you. I've also lived in Washington state and worked out of Seattle. I took public transit every day to work while living in Washington. As for public transit, I've never felt in danger of my life but it is 100% not worth the amount of crazy you have to deal with. As for the area we live in, unfortunately some one stole my motorcycle from my driveway, raced it and crashed it costing me $12000, and someone broke into my car for my phone costing me 2000$ in repairs, so I understand the the property damage statistics however, I would still rather live here because my day to day interactions with people are so much better. FYI I don't have much experience with the downtown Austin area, so I can't speak to that. Regardless of my personal experience, I generally agree with the point that blindly following generalized statistics is never a good path for drawing specific conclusions.

[@moredark100]

Very insightful view. Having been dealing with data all day, can confidently say numbers can lie pretty easily. Devil's in the details.

[@bradhaines3142]

thanks to my traveling job my choice of where to live mostly depends on where would be most convenient for me. otherwise id have to find somewhere decent to live close to a place i could work at.

[@renatoteixeira8204]

Hearing your stories just makes me feel good about living in a major city in Switzerland, because the situation where you are at right now with normal poeple around you it's just any average life in switzerland

[@ohsweetmystery]

That is common in almost any country with almost no racial or cultural diversity and extremely low immigration.

[@rowlexxflowz7825]

Wait what? Switzerland is pretty much my dream country to live in😭

[@renatoteixeira8204]

@@ohsweetmystery immigration has nothing to do with imigration in my state where i live it's 50% percent of the people (i'm one of them) and nationally it's 25%. And for the cultural diversity from my point of view every american is american where as in europe everyone has a country with his own custom and history. But we can agree maybe in the quality of the immigration (not like france) and the people values ( be kind, honest, etc). As i mentionned france as a far lower immigration rate but it's far worse and would be align with your arguments. To finish I know that switzeland is an exemption.

[@Mightydoggo]

I think a lot of people feel safer in cars, because they think they´re in control of the situation when they´re sitting behind the steering wheel.

[@SwiftySanders]

They ultimately arent in control. That’s the lie right there. Secondly, you are more likely to be targeted by police if you are a minority.

[@Mightydoggo]

​@@SwiftySanders Yup, true. The three only situations I regularly get stopped by the police in are either when I´m hanging around with my migrant friends, walking my dog in crowded public areas (god, they really hate that one) or when I cross the borders of our beautiful neighbor countries. Though it´s probably not as bad here as in certain parts of America.

[@queenofcats1]

As a 6"7 person id donate 3 inches to you for all your great work in the right to repair if you wanted it. Thanks for everything you do.

[@cymes82]

Find out where Tim Apple lives and choke the schematics out of him.

[@archduke0000]

I can't picture the 'Queen of cats' being 6'7

[@queenofcats1]

@@archduke0000 someone had to put those tigers in place!

[@funstuffonthenet5573]

Most rational thoughts about feelings I ever heard. Well put Louis

[@26Bananas]

Ya know i never realized this until you put it into words. But i grew up in a rural town surrounded by hills, forest, and rivers. And there's a certain level of respect people have for each other because everyone subconsciously knows that it would be very easy for you to randomly "go missing" lmao

[@mantasr]

Thoughts of a man who doesn't believe there's crime until it happens to him .

[@notenoughtoys1364]

Keep in mind there are multiple ways that the govt counts crime. The FBI does the UCR, but because people don't necessarily agree with what the FBI counts, so Feds also have the Bureau of Justice Statistics' National Crime Victimization Survey (which tries to address the unreported cases). Crime stats in the US are usually based on one of these two and you might get a different conclusion depending one which one you are looking at.

[@Travist120]

Why would you want to leave your door unlocked? This ain't Pokemon

[@amicaaranearum]

I lock my doors to keep Link from coming in and smashing my pots.

[@sjshady0169]

The chair is back!

[@pcdoodle1]

Very interesting perspective, stress is a killer.

[@misanthrophex]

Not just NY. I live in London UK, got mugged in the park. I wouldn't have even reported it, but my gf called the police, I gave them all the information. In a few weeks I got an automated message that the investigation was dropped. I was actually hit in the face during the mugging, they stole money. But apparently this is just normal here. And to be honest I'm just glad I only have ptsd from that, could've ended much worse.

[@JETZcorp]

I will never forget seeing a guy spray painting a pickup in a gas station in broad daylight in Portland. It was a nice truck, and this guy was painting over thw badges, door handles, getting it on the tires, etc. I wrote down the plate and called the police. Their response was, effectively, "Aww, aren't you so cute". They refused to hear the plate number, and told me to call them back if the guy started pointing a gun at someone. Direct quote, "We're honestly just not interested in the truck." I'd had my Honda stolen a few weeks earlier, and suddenly it made sense why they hadn't found it after I reported it stolen. Eventually I received a letter informing me that my Honda had been towed 4 weeks (!!) earlier because it had been left in a loading zone, and I needed to pay $750 to get it out of impound or else it would go to auction the next day. It had been doused in paint remover and various parts sprayed. Full of garbage and dirty clothes. No oil on the dip stick. Ruined. Whatever the statistics may say, they don't prepare you for that kind of apathy and anarchy. The thieves took my car, police took my money, and everyone's happy. I'm happy because I left. When my Portland friends say it's not as bad as they say on the news, they're right. The city isn't literally on fire. You can live there and not be killed. But the city will take bites out of you in ways that aren't normal and shouldn't be tolerated.

[@einfachnurleo7099]

Considering the amount of literal crazy people in the US as well as the general criminality rate ... it's just not safe in general. I mean people get shot for walking up a driveway or ringing a doorbell.

[@Demopans5990]

It's more of a culture thing. Well, not like the US got off on a head start when the religious Purtians got kicked out of Europe over to the New World

[@Thegoat90210]

3:38 he was frying his ass😭😭😭

[@jamesp6267]

A failed rapper

[@Thegoat90210]

@@jamesp6267 nah he was spittin

[@t1t0s89]

Lol. I loved your self depreciation Vis a Vis tim cook

[@justinhaller2055]

Same thing going on in Spokane Wa. few report crime because nobody will do anything anymore. My friends bike was stolen at and during a city council meeting! nothing was done to find it!

[@ZWallAbuser]

I am living for the thumbnails

[@Rfc1394]

I have both used public transportation for decades and driven. I've generally had fairly good experiences on buses and trains, as far as safety, but this was Southern California in the '70s and'80s where people on public transit behaved themselves, and bus and rail in the Washington Metro area, where misconduct is rare, transit authority employees will respond to stop it. I've generally lived in areas where sane people live. I've actually been on transit vehicles where there was an accident, or breakdown, and I've always found the employees friendly and helpful in 99.9% of rides I've taken. Driving might be nicer - I love to drive - but public transit is usually much cheaper.

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Thanks Louis

[@almantuxas9248]

1:42 " Dude, I'm 5'6 " Yeah, but some people still look up to you.

[@TheRealKeymaster]

It's always so funny watching NYC making completely delusional decisions. Meanwhile we(🇪🇺) were the ones who forced Apple to use USB-C 😂😂

[@uis246]

1:48 I think intimidation average criminal is easier than intimidating Tim Cook.