DOPE CONVERSATIONS: Penson & Lelo N | What are Generational Curses & How Do We Work Around Them???

[@Penuelism]

This week we unpack generational curses, and how to navigate them. We also talk about how to deal with your partner's generational curses, while you're busy working on yourself. Follow Penson on The Journey: youtube.com/@pensonmlotshwa?si=RC2moQ3AFT3AdUJf Follow Lelo N: youtube.com/@lelonwakagatsheni?si=oQQ3fwzIq6nzy2FK Video shot at AMPD Studios in Newtown, Johannesburg.

[@ipostsongs5305]

This was good, mind stretching.

[@PatrickMbonyane-to6so]

Ppl

[@PatrickMbonyane-to6so]

Pplp

[@sinethembangcobo1378]

I don't think we talk enough about how Penson brings such a sense of humour to the conversation

[@samkelisiwethwala8260]

A gem ❤😂

[@Penuelism]

On Ursula Mariani: Ursula Mariani is still involved with Dope Conversations. She's unfortunately been busy these last few weeks, so she couldn't attend the filming sessions. Hopefully she'll visit soon.

[@neemcreates]

Love Ursula’s aura & views

[@Healingson]

@@neemcreatespen loves it too 😂

[@victorsoul7174]

@neemcreate you took my words 👌

[@Penuelism]

@@Healingson 👀👀👀👀👀

[@aphezehshaka]

Huge Fan of all the platform's coz its all real n dope, authentic in it's originality is relatable to most SA peeps trying to better themselves!

[@fundiswamwelase1474]

I definitely subscribe to Lelo's world view and mindset. Her opinions are well thought out and very well articulated. She basically doesn't like a philosophical/theoretical approach to life, but prefers practical solutions that often require one to take serious accountability of ones own life and destiny. Awareness is good, imperative even, however, if there are no practical solutions to the challenges you've been exposed to then you're in trouble, big trouble.

[@Penuelism]

On Lebo Lion: Penson spoke to Lebo Lion last week after the episode. I tried reaching out to her with no luck. Heard she went live on Instagram to vent. Otherwise, hopefully she'll join us again in future.

[@boipelommileng]

Most of us who love KZbin aren't really active on Instagram and vice versa. I really hope she comes back to this platform because her experiences are valid and she speaks for so many of us.❤

[@neemcreates]

True🌻💫Lebo Lion’s perspective is so important and adds additional layer which is refreshing.

[@Zy-gote]

Unfortunately they cannot beat the stereotypes. It's a pity, it went as far as doing an Instagram live. Yeah we have a long way to go.

[@viriacssa2003]

Really? That's what you call it.....vent? You could have put it in a more neutral way Penuel. This ws your guest 😮

[@lindiwephafudi6921]

I love both ladies But pen you failed to protect your guest

[@shwabade123]

Nice one Penson, i like how you pull your first point through.

[@pensonmlotshwa]

Thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@sinethembangcobo1378]

Yabona lento entsa esiniyiqala, siyithokozela so much. Love love these series

[@elvismolefimolf]

Thanks for bringing Lelo back.. looking forward to the conversation💯

[@swartkat4394]

The most powerful form of governance is a 2 parent household. 💯

[@Penuelism]

@@swartkat4394 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lindelanimdletshe8850]

🍻🥂🥃

[@Zy-gote]

The Muslim community is a great case study for that.

[@swartkat4394]

@@Zy-gote most definitely, I saw a study a few years ago that the cape muslim community has the highest income per household in SA on average.

[@theonly6359]

💯

[@katlegomohlabi]

This was definitely a dope conversation absolutely loved it🫶

[@Joystick011]

Just tuned in ..there's a coffee for our guest Lelo

[@Penuelism]

This is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much 🙏🏽

[@simphiweraymondmajola375]

I know when my wife is in the mix...it`s really dope one...damn just look how beautiful she is....let me relax and listen

[@thapelomaboa2696]

I enjoy seeing you guys throughout the episode. Great idea👏🏾

[@KamoEverythingSA]

15:09 - Now this Episode is so calming and informative! I appreciate the fact that everyone is being able to explain their point without any interruptions of another. I’m loving this thus far… 🤞🏾👌🏾

[@KamoEverythingSA]

23:30 - Uhmm… I think no innocent child has ever been punished for a father’s sins; only guiltychildren are punished and are guilty of the very sins that their fathers sinned. There is a sense in which children often seem to struggle in similar ways as their parents. Now, I don’t think this means that we have some type of “spiritual DNA” that we pass to our children. But it does seem to be the case that children who are abused can sometimes grow up to abuse others. Sometimes children sin in the opposite way of their parents. Someone with a domineering father might grow up to be a passive father. But this isn’t a universal rule. Sometimes children with terrible fathers get saved and end up being great fathers. In conclusion, at the end of the day, we know that Christ became a curse for us to give us hope, freedom, and eternal life. Because of Christ, we can break the patterns in our lives that are damaging and sinful. If you don’t believe in Him, don’t be shocked when the curses continues on the fourth generation in your bloodline… until there’s one who will break it by being a believer of Christ.

[@mthokozisimyende787]

Dam the quality, the angles, the creativity, love it

[@sylvesterchibielo7099]

I can imagine Tebza's excitement with what he did with the camera work today lol, great one guys

[@Penuelism]

Thank you for the kudos. This video was unfortunately not filmed by Tebza & Tribal Media House. It was filmed at AMPD Studios, via director Siya Mangena.

[@tebogo81]

This is too NICE! Danko AMPD Studios and Siya Mangena

[@Mr.ExtrodinUniverse]

My thoughts exactly 😂

[@mikesishi8471]

Love the x4 screen view...best format so far

[@portiaramabulana643]

Generational curses can be seen as unhealed family traumas that are passed down through generations, eventually becoming ingrained as family patterns. These patterns shape the way a family interacts and form a unique family culture, often rooted in unresolved pain. When people enter into relationships, it's essential to explore each other's family patterns because our approach to situations, emotional responses, and decision-making can be influenced by the trauma patterns we carry.

[@Penuelism]

50:00 You don't need to submit your bank statement when you're meeting for the first time... ...you tell the person where you work, what your profession is, where you live & they see what you drive... ...this helps allow you to create an estimated income bracket in your head. McDonald's employee vs Judge vs Uber driver vs Actuarial Scientist vs Miner vs Surgeon.

[@zwaks.mthimkhulu]

I like Lelo. She's so poised. Can take a joke. Unwavering in her beliefs..all this without being combative. Also seems sincere. And she's absolute eye candy.

[@Bingley33]

She doesn't use social media language like gaslight or triggering etc. Just words used by younger people to express anger

[@Facts_Only_SA]

Having everyone on screen throughout somehow impacts the focus for some of us who are watching. This is because of the traditional way… our brains have been programmed😭😭😭

[@ipostsongs5305]

I just focused on lelo 😊😌

[@Facts_Only_SA]

@@ipostsongs5305 😂😂😂

[@lindokuhledlangalala9094]

Favourite podcast segment on YT at the moment

[@vusmuzimasilela2358]

This was beautiful ngyabonga Bra Pen, Bra Penson and Ses Lelo❤

[@pensonmlotshwa]

DANKO!!!

[@NgcangcaSiya]

A real Dope Conversation

[@Penuelism]

Thank you for joining us, broer.

[@ApricotJam-m5v]

Dope dope dope conversation indeed, we need more !!

[@karabeloleboa]

Eita Penzo and team. Please arrange a sit-down with Lelo and Lebo. It would be great to have them chop it up and discuss issues affecting women from their perspective and hopefully bury the hatchet. Both voices need to be heard

[@Penuelism]

Thank you. They'll both need to be willing. If that can happen, it would be cool.

[@Zy-gote]

"The bigger we get the more likely egos collide. It's just physics" - J Cole

[@DiceRoll213]

Lol they dont get along...women as usual😂

[@DiceRoll213]

I prefer Lelo😂

[@vusmuzimasilela2358]

Bhut' Siya beautiful on that relationship input.

[@ReitumetseMamabolo-ez4cb]

Lebo is actually needed as part of the group and hopefully we can see more of her and is not taken away by self centred perspective in Lelo... Lebo is more realistic and share more than Lelo does

[@en1575]

Lelo N is aloof ,i am still trying to figure out what's the hype about ,

[@ReitumetseMamabolo-ez4cb]

@@en1575 for real for real 🤞

[@tebogomaphephe3470]

Lebo is my favourite.

[@Mrtdogg101]

Pen we are going to need your nuanced take on the never ending mostly one sided feud between Sizwe and Vusi...the boy is on a roll!

[@thamisigo2838]

This week's ep was too short...great conversations as usual

[@Zy-gote]

Me I'm just here for my fighter. Penson, thanks for The Journey ma brada.. sense of humour with your brother Penuel is unmatched. Appreciate y'all guys.. great sitdown.🫡

[@Penuelism]

Blessings. We appreciate you 🙏🏽

[@pensonmlotshwa]

Nothing but love brother! Thank you for all the support!

[@tebogo81]

THIS IS TOOOOO NICE!!!!!!!!!

[@luckmash2015]

I like the angles. Nice conversations as always.

[@B.oyabenyathi]

You 3 make gorgeous siblings ♥️😙

[@Mrtdogg101]

I love the experimentation gents-different format today. S/O to Tebza and the behind the scenes gents as well.

[@Penuelism]

Thank you very much. This episode was filmed by Siya, Mbali and Thembela at AMPD Studios.

[@Ray_Slick_SA]

I Like This Point, Well I Dont Remember Who Said It...ehm One Said, You Cannot Be The Same Person In All Your Relationships ❤.

[@Thiza_F]

Haii Penson is my guy😂. A spade is a spade👊🏿🔥

[@pensonmlotshwa]

DANKO!!! Let’s keep it 💯

[@shaunhlatshwayo9832]

The way Penuel teases Penson😂😂😂😂sibling rivalry 😂😂

[@pensonmlotshwa]

He’s the worst!!! 😅

[@bridgetsebolai6207]

I love your relationship guys it’s so cool 👌

[@danisilemlotshwa4752]

Dope Dope, what a great conversation 👌 can't wait to see Penson putting on red lipstick 😀

[@pensonmlotshwa]

The enemy is in your family!!!

[@Sbabalwe1234]

coolest Camera ive seen kwi podcast thanks you Mr Rembula Kiebine

[@Penuelism]

Thank you for the kudos. Ntate Keebine is Godly with the visuals. However, this episode was shot at AMPD studios by the team there: Siya, Mbali, Sweggy and Thembela.

[@onekeitumetse4628]

NOOOOOOOOO! WE CANT LOOSE LEBO GUYS....PLEASE!!! BRING HER BACK. 😢 🙏🙏

[@justkiingza3928]

she must go

[@vusmuzimasilela2358]

She must go she's full of herself we ain't begging for not so good attitude

[@Dijo_Vu]

@@onekeitumetse4628 lelo added nothing to this conversation as well as the last one 😬

[@fixingyoutubestreets]

@@onekeitumetse4628 "We" lol speak fir yourself and you free to go listen to her bitterness on her lives 😂 LeboRat

[@kamogelokoloane5182]

She must come back😢

[@LuNtimande]

Great conversation! However, the camera quality could use some improvement. The four-screen layout feels a bit distracting, maybe consider simplifying it. Absolutely loved seeing my girl Lelo N looking so relaxed today! ❤

[@Penuelism]

Thank you for the feedback 🙏🏽

[@Ray_Slick_SA]

Today's Topic is what I have been dealing with....I Don wanna start a family without overcoming these Generational Curses.

[@Zy-gote]

Do you understand that in life there is nothing absolute.. there's no perfect time. It's either you do it or don't. Having that kind of a mindset can make you wait forever.

[@Ray_Slick_SA]

My Point Is That, I Don Wanna Start A Family Without Being Ready For It, Mentally, Financially And Spiritually

[@kabelomaloka1400]

Lelo N is making really thought-provoking points. She's a sharp and free thinker.

[@PrettySoul-v7o]

I just wish they could see her as a role model she’s conscious 😊

[@arthur_bIggie]

Gabor Mate. You guys are goated 💡

[@HlulaniNtsakoMathye]

The question at 37:17 ... Yoh hectic. Even Penson's reaction 😂

[@siyabongangcobo2009]

Great chat 👏👏👏 if possible Penuel please try to involve Lelo more into the conversation, cause I felt like Penson talked more, not his fault though, or maybe one hour is not enough...I just wish I heard more from her🙏

[@katlegomohlabi]

Definitely liked this episode better than the previous one , Lelo you're doing great mama👏

[@siyabongampongwana990]

I think the word "generational curses" should be "generational ignorance" ngoba that is what it is. And I think calling it "generational ignorance" is empowering in some sense, in that it puts the responsibility on you and that it is something you can most definitely change. Edit: What if the Web is a place where we dump all our collective and generational ignorance as ibantu(human beings)? All the B.S and ignorance from every culture put in one place...and that gives the coming generations, if there will be one, an opportunity to evolve into something greater than US and our ancestors kind of like ku Star Trek.

[@Penuelism]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@mpumimdluli5894]

For some families it's diseases like cancer or stroke that most of your family members suffer from. So where is ignorenice in such instance?

[@Penuelism]

@@mpumimdluli5894 Depending on the illness, prevalence can be lowered through lifestyle adjustments & other triggers to avoid similar fates.

[@siyabongampongwana990]

Hau Mpumi mfw2 angaz noma you want argue ngento engekho or zithin kodwa ke you can do that with yourself . Anyway angaz why you would say something like this maybe you're in this situation or someone you deeply care about is in this situation, angazi. Mina I was just saying what I thought. And it's obvious ukuthy somethings are not a matter of ignorance, but some are and in some the ignorance may not be apperant at first...but I know for sure is that a disease is not a curse. If it is a curse, then who cast the spell? and if we carry on with this line of question yayyi bona ukuthy where does thing go.

[@siyabongampongwana990]

@@Penuelism Dankie grootman. We do have some power, not complete power but we can make a change through ulwazi and the correct application of lelo lwazi.

[@simu_kai]

Would be great to have Lebo back!

[@Ray_Slick_SA]

WOW Lelo N...Wow....it's True That We Should Help Each Other Grow And Deal With Our Past Experiences Not Expect One To Help You With Em, Cause Nami I Do Have My Own Bad/Painful Experiences. ❤

[@Thabaniization]

So thina nje esigcabile kubi. Anyhow, check Startalk with Neil de grasse Tyson on epigenetics and generational trauma.

[@tshegofatso16]

We need Lebo back!

[@Penuelism]

Please DM her on her platforms so that she's aware.

[@Thato2448]

Spiritually sensitive people tend to rely on themselves because on a subconscious level they know that Life is a Battle of the Mind and Spirit and you can't share your soul with anyone.

[@reubenushermanus772]

Un-comunicated expectations.... we need to be honest and clear and take it from there or just keep it moving Bafethu!!!!

[@Yvonnemkhize101]

What a refreshing conversation! It would be great to tap into Lelo N’s business focused mindset in some discussions. As an avid follower of her work, I’d love to learn from her expertise in that area. She’s truly a boss!

[@EdwardRamalisa]

Please extend the duration of the conversation if possible

[@pensonmlotshwa]

I AGREE!!!

[@LuNtimande]

Thanks for the conversation, sending love to sib Lelo

[@Penuelism]

Truly appreciate the generosity. Thank you so much 🙏🏽

[@Joystick011]

Let's keep it up

[@noziphozulu8550]

Can I sponser Penson with Vaseline 😂Mara i love the Mlotshwa brothers.

[@Penuelism]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@pensonmlotshwa]

Hahahahahahahaha!!! Lelo says it’ll make my lips dirty 😅

[@toji2254]

Thought provoking conversations with each person having their own unique opinions without feeling the need to attack each other or overly defend themselves. Where was this level of maturity last time out?

[@Sinenhlanhla_Msomi]

Loved this. We need another episode with Lebo and Lelo, but we may need Ursela here as well for that episode ngoba yerrrrr...

[@Sinenhlanhla_Msomi]

*Ursula

[@sakheletshabalala9229]

theres a lot to unpack with this conversation but i feel today yol side tracked a little... i guess it can be a little tough finding a solution to something you still busy unpacking within yourself... but dope conversation nonetheless ;-)

[@tshepisopitseng2524]

thanks for the great show this was very insightful, Penson with painted nails ish I think u need to reconsider...ur a great guy otherwise.

[@pensonmlotshwa]

LEAVE MY NAILS 😅

[@sibongisenisakhele3114]

That's Good! Lay a proper foundation. Stop faking it. Be real! Totally agree

[@ipostsongs5305]

Yes one is not enough

[@lwandobashe2648]

Where is my lovely lady Lebo?

[@Zy-gote]

She should name herself Lebo Rabbit and not Lebo Lion. She's too emotional.

[@KPForeverandever]

​@@Zy-gote😂😂😂😂😂

[@B.oyabenyathi]

🤣😅🤣 #Lebogwala ​@@Zy-gote

[@justkiingza3928]

she must talk about marketing on her plstform

[@tebogomaphephe3470]

​@@Zy-goteShes a woman dude ofcos shes emotional.

[@Dijo_Vu]

Generational trauma vs. Generational “Curse” (side note: i think the term should be Generational Habits instead) They conducted an experiment on cows where they put a single cow in a 4 sided enclosure and one of the sides were electrical so every time the cow would touch the electrical side it would get zapped. Years later they took calfs and put them in the same enclosure, every single calf got zapped except for the calf that was born from the initial control cow in the experiment. So in my words I’d personally define a generational trauma as a defense mechanism built into our genetics as means of protection, examples could be the relationship most black South Africans have with dogs, African Americans with swimming etc. Generational “Curse” (habit) i’d say is self explanatory, learned behaviour based on exposure, and because you repeat the cycle you make excuses for not breaking the habit for example, if everyone in the family is overweight and you end up overweight you start saying things like “we’re all going to die anyway whether skinny or fat” or if you have multiple kids by multiple women “i’m a man and monogamy is for penguins” so now instead of accountability you instinctively find ways to make excuses for or defend the set habit because you couldn’t break it, same thing with poverty, people start blaming the system etc. now when you have a person who breaks the habit they maintain the standard of having broken the habit because they know how much discipline they needed to break the “curse” to begin with.. This is just my personal opinion

[@katlegomohlabi]

Me with my adhd watching this like 🫠

[@Penuelism]

🤭🤭🤭 so sorry

[@simdope8861]

to be honest lelo is the type of women andrew tate warns us about , she has masculine features even though she claims to be a flower ,whch i dont blame her since she is in the business space where she has to fight alot to be heard and compete against men, based on that she will find it very hard to be with a man(my opinion).

[@MyMystery9]

I have been looking for this comment. I also believes on these topics, she falls shorts however she is good in business, kudos to her

[@justkiingza3928]

no Lebo Lion is that Lelo is aggreable on certain issues Lebo is not at all she gets emotional

[@simdope8861]

@@justkiingza3928 we are talking about her having masculine traits, not about how lebo reacted on the lasted episodes.

[@MatshepoMokgomo]

I enjoyed Lelo very much this time around. We criticised a lot in the previous episode and she took it constructively 💕💗 Absolutely Beautiful❣️ Keep it up Queen. And the gentlemen as always, never disappoint.🔥🔥🔥 Dope one 🫶🏽

[@coachMims]

34:22 I loved that. Define it pls

[@vusmuzimasilela2358]

Eish ja it's true when they say some girls who grew up in a family without father have some kind of masculine attitude that they took from their mother so it won't be easy for them to respect or submit to a even Good man.. So in that it will always be difficult to build beautiful warm homes in this generation.

[@zoliswanaomieratya2127]

Block 4(Camera) was suppose to be for Lebo Lion.

[@RealZwide]

Penson your hands appear on all 4 cameras. I think a generational curse is defined by a complete failure despite doing everything possible to break away, its cemented by a colleague doing the same thing as you but succeeding with ease in what ever struggle you are facing

[@pensonmlotshwa]

I’ll do better 🙏🏽

[@mmogomofokeng9098]

Penson just doesn't listen hey 🤣🤣🤣🤣 amakrocokroco ladies soccer team?? win!!!

[@pensonmlotshwa]

My bad 😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@fixingyoutubestreets]

#LeloN Is very demure very cutesy❤😊👌🏾

[@siyabongadlamini2904]

Pernual is a much much smarter Mac and pernson is a much much more emotional intelligence sol

[@pensonmlotshwa]

❤

[@Sedimaleka]

Post 2 vids per week chief

[@pensonmlotshwa]

He must!

[@CornerHouse_Media]

Pen always asking for sponsors ,thts not how you do it fam ..I’m sure this is a company ,you have to put together a proposal ,write how much or what you need ,identify a company that you think is in line with what this company of yours does ,look at what tht company would benefit from your company and then go and sell the idea to them ,strike an exchange ..

[@Penuelism]

Thank you for the feedback. Let's see if this strategy works.

[@Yvonnemkhize101]

Lelo N 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤

[@Sbabalwe1234]

ufunu faka ama gama ah no 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅

[@tebogo743]

Penson at it again😭😭😭 The thing about people who's mouth stink😂😂

[@pensonmlotshwa]

My bad 🙊🫣🙏🏽

[@katlegomohlabi]

😂hehehe Penson said something about hoes in his intro last week today kema krokrokro mmhhh wena penson soon nje ro go cancela

[@Penuelism]

Please cancel him!!!

[@pensonmlotshwa]

I’m soooo sorry 😬🙊🫣

[@Groovesupplya]

38:30 "like uPensin"🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CAROS_FITNESS]

Lelo is back can't wait for this conversation 🎉

[@FrankMokhine-j5d]

Lelo N, very smart!

[@josephmbaale9418]

Differently abled

[@bhekikhayabrianmqadi4490]

Is Tebza not part of the Dope Conversation family??

[@Penuelism]

Tebza runs Tribal Media House. They film The Penuel Show. Dope Conversations is largely filmed at AMPD Studios.

[@miniii1601]

I'd really like to meet and greet Siya. Is it possible to extend invitations next time you're recording with him?

[@ApricotJam-m5v]

I'm such an avid fan of my superwoman, Lelo N! Her grace and poise in this episode were incredible and absolutely loved her views. The brothers were great too, and the way you all listened to each other was just beautiful. This was the most refreshing conversation ever! I can officially camp here 🔥

[@tebogo81]

Mara Penson! Female Soccer team Ama krokokroko. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pensonmlotshwa]

My apologies 😅🙏🏽

[@Zy-gote]

They gonna cancel him😅

[@pensonmlotshwa]

@@Zy-goteNoooooo 😅

[@Sbongakonke02]

No Lion?🤦

[@Penuelism]

@@Sbongakonke02 Not this time, unfortunately.

[@ruudbwoy404]

💔

[@mzwandiledube1158]

dope format. but you are all looking away from each other.... how???!

[@lindiwephafudi6921]

Ah Can we have alebo

[@EdwinSibanda-l6e]

Ey kodwa mina Ngiyak’thanda Lelo, Lelo N’s keeping her relationship status under wraps for now, she’s not about to tie herself down to anything that isn’t certain, just like she explained about CVs. So, this means we still have a chance! 🤣 Dope conversation, lady and gents

[@Taf9193]

Ayi neh, the 4 in one video is not for me. Maybe don't do it for the whole episode. Loving the show overall. I just like Penson, ayi mfethu uyangiceda yazi. 😂😂😂(Uyamkhumbulu uBholo egwajisa u Van Damme ngamabele)😂😂😂

[@boitumelomaswabi1561]

Between Penson and Penuel, who's older?

[@Penuelism]

GREAT QUESTION!!!

[@pensonmlotshwa]

He’s older by 3 years.

[@newinfoglobe7864]

Lelo N all the way❤

[@Eruminlampodcast]

Kwasuka lokho