Double Positive Binding Angles - GAME CHANGER? (for snowboard carving)

[@HotChips-ot3rm]

Two of my favourite snowboard KZbinrs on the same video, unbelievable. Excellent job gents

[@malcolmmoore]

🙌

[@johnnuega6814]

I was gonna comment the same!

[@FazeredTube]

The crossover I wanted, but never dreamed would happen!

[@aumique]

Now imagine Ryan Knapton trying this lol

[@iljajonker9303]

And then Angry Snowboarder should review this!😀

[@mooncat.787]

@@aumique What would happen if Ryan Knapton tried it ?

[@winterzahn]

​​@@aumiquethere are videos from ryan using posi posi stance, he never fell in love with posi posi. it disables switch too much. steeper terrain duck is imho no problem, over exaggerated in this video, I do black piste laydowns in duck, just a question to get used to

[@winterzahn]

​​​@@iljajonker9303if you are used to duck, don't be delusional about benefits of posi posi. If you ride always posi posi, Angry Snowboarder is not your channel. Sometimes things are easy, don't start to see fata Morgana, don't hyper ventilate, don't start to see pipedreams. Posi Posi is what this German guy is praying. Duck is what Ryan and Angry are praying. If I have to go for one stance for all, it is also definitely duck. If you are never riding switch, no tricks and more into racing, give posi posi a try. There is no big magic behind. If you like one stance more than the other, just use it period. Don't see revolutionary ideas, where there aren't any.

[@TMMonkeys]

Beautiful riding. I also started back in the 90’s. At my mountain, these angles were standard advice for beginners, especially those who were transitioning from skiing. Experienced skiers were used to bending forward and pressuring the front of their skis to turn (not as necessary today with shaped skis). As they got better on their boards, riders would transition to duck if they wanted to skill up in the pipe and park (or what passed for a park back then). People who weren’t interesting in spinning through the air would stay posi-posi like this, or even go a little further to improve their carve. Since soft boots are relatively flexible side to side (great for duck), there are diminishing returns as you go further and further positive. For people who want to continue advancing their carving (and who aren’t named Ryan), the next step to amazing carving is moving to narrow boards, hard boots, and angles up in 60s. The feel of carving on those setups is absolutely unworldly. My current opinion is absolute beginners will have an easier time in duck until they master falling leaf. As soon as they have that I think they get a lot out of going posi-posi. The thing that is so rough on people transitioning out of falling leaf is repeatedly catching the downhill edge and getting slammed directly to knees or tailbone. With posi-posi, catching that edge is much more forgiving, usually throwing the rider sideways onto a hip, a much less brutal fall.

[@snowboardguru6794]

Ridiculous. Nobody needs hard boots, narrow boards or silly steep angles to carve. You all have it completely backwards. You’re spot on with being duck. Posi posi is the problem.

[@wyattparks2002]

@@snowboardguru6794definitely don’t need all that to carve but I think it helps if that’s all you’re focusing on, right ? I do mostly back country I enjoy carving during through trees and jumping sometimes venture into the park so I ride +18 -3 or -6 on back. On a directional board.

[@Boardrider3x1]

My two favorite dudes collabing on carving, THANK YOU 🤙

[@Shannendetro]

Should check out james cherry, hes fantastic

[@Boardrider3x1]

@@Shannendetro absolutely! The last two tutorials were phenomenal!

[@malcolmmoore]

Awesome thanks 😊😊

[@Boardrider3x1]

@@malcolmmoore your tutorials have helped me so much progress as a rider and given me clues and tips to teach friends and my kids better, I thank you very much for your time nd effort you put into all these videos to help snowboarders out there improve their skills and enjoy riding even more!

[@malcolmmoore]

@@Boardrider3x1 that's awesome to hear!

[@MTBJaySwitzerland]

Incredible timing! I switched to posi posi today! I started with hard boots 30 years ago, posi posi, no errors allowed 😅. Quickly went with soft boots and after 10 years I switched to duck stance and stuck with it for the last 20 years. I bought a K2 Alchemist this winter and wanted to carve better with it. I tried duck stance at first but could not get rid of some skids with the back foot on the heel edge. So I turned back to posi posi 27 front and 6 back. Like said in your video, I automatically felt the need to lean forward when entering the turns and with this stance it helped a lot. Thank you for your top quality videos and tutorials!

[@nathanratermann9204]

This rad dad switched over to posi this year as well. Have the Rossignol Sashimi. It about requires posi posi.

[@tomaszkopczewski5072]

I also started snowboarding with posi posi 30 years ago. Ten years ago, after a long break, I moved to duck angles due to pressure from the crowd (no one rode my old way). I managed, but there was no fun, and the angles became more and more positive every year. Thanks for this video; I will return to my youth as an old guy.

[@elho001]

Haha funny, my background is almost the same as yours down to the time frame (c.f. my main comment). 😀 While unfortunately not living there, I did learn in Switzerland, which you given your nickname, I assume you probably did as well. I guess I managed to stick to initiating my turns weight on the front foot more when riding duck, so reviving posi posi, it was not feeling the need to lean forward, but the ease to do so more when carving steeper (EU) reds.

[@rufio_lyonsbane]

I started with hard boots 20 years ago as well, pos 60 pos 45, but switched to soft boots after 5 years with pos 30 pos 15. Have never tried duck 🤔

[@MTBJaySwitzerland]

@@rufio_lyonsbane Both are nice, I will go back and forth from posi posi to duck stance according to the snow conditions and the way I would like to ride. It only needs 2min and a screwdriver. It's worth playing around with it 🙂

[@Jon_Dang]

Love the collab! Lars has such a wealth of knowledge, it was great to have this follow-up and your experience with it, drawbacks included.

[@malcolmmoore]

Our pleasure!

[@nathanratermann9204]

Yup I started it this year. I love it. I’m a directional rider, this works well for me!! Thank you for being so humble!! Learning something new…first day is the worst day. You did well however on it.

[@malcolmmoore]

Right on!

[@kitjunya]

Great to see you two together talking about caving. I'm learning a lot.

[@ArtanisKizrath]

Thanks for linking his channel on that earlier video. It got me into a rabbit hole about the technical aspects of snowboarding. Great to finally see both of you in a video!

[@kitjunya]

me too LOL

[@haraldhodlhands7753]

Can you Post the link? I wanna join you guys 😂

[@ArtanisKizrath]

@@haraldhodlhands7753 Lars's video on +/+ stance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqWuf42JYph2eNk

[@malcolmmoore]

​@@haraldhodlhands7753 it's in the video description 👍

[@ThinLineMedia]

It is fun to ride powder too in that stance. I would prefer something like -21 front, 0 Back or -18 and +3 that would fit mostly freeride and some carving in the breaks of freeriding.

[@ambrus7686]

that minimal back foot angle appeals to me more, but what about booting out?

[@Readit4Life_2Chron7_14]

Great vid, great collaboration - a win - win for the viewers. Thank you both. I've been riding for 22 yrs. Did the front foot posi-back foot 0 to -6. Works well all mountain but then noted joint issues. Been riding duck ever since for more than a decade. I tried the posi/posi & was a better carve BUT, I find that on a whole, I want a whole mountain experience and I'm not about to change my stance in a given day. BUT nice to actually know why these stances work and don't work. Thanks!

[@malcolmmoore]

I think I'm of a similar opinion to you, great fun, but I probably won't adopt that position all that often!

[@haskeladamson3738]

I’m amazed that pozi pozi seems to be back in fashion. As someone who learned in ski boots it’s what I’ve always done. I was worried about skiers piling into you with those sharp carves. You’ve gotta check uphill occasionally on busy pistes, cutting across the piste like that.

[@ShannonCoen]

It made me happy to see you both in the same video today. I've been learning from both of your content and started riding posi posi this season. Started knee steering this past weekend, which has given me so much more confidence in steeper blues. Next I want to work on down unweighted turns. Loving it!

[@malcolmmoore]

Yeah was great to meet Lars and make a video together 🙌🏼🙌🏼 happy you enjoyed it!

[@snowboardguru6794]

Good for you. Stay duck whatever you do. Posi posi will hinder a rider and you’ll likely end up twisting. That guest rider in this video said it took him 25 years to finally be able to do a heelside carve. Are you kidding me? I can teach a beginner to carve like this is three days max. Someone should tell him the definition of insanity. Stay safe up there.

[@Batwing2465]

Great video Malcolm. You hit the nail on the head at approximately 11:20. I too don't like to or want to always be tweaking my board set up and searching for something that is suitable for the majority of conditions. For example on my last trip to Colorado and knowing we weren't going to get any fresh snow and conditions would be more hard packed and firm, I actually switched my back foot slightly positive while keeping my front at +18. I rode like that all day, but when things got tracked out or I hit much steeper bumpy terrain, I didn't care of the stance. The next day went back to 0 on back foot and felt much more control and rode better in those conditions. The last day got some deeper powder and didn't want to the deeper carving, so kept my traditional set up. I do love to carve and keep trying to improve technique with less heel edge skidding, but it's also a little more challenging with a volume shifted directional board with set back binding positions. Great video. Thank you

[@DerekRobertsonSomerville]

Wow, same angles as myself bro! I always go from posi posi back to 0 on the back foot for general all round conditions. So I’m only ever really changing the back foot which makes things easier and faster on the mountains 👍🏻

[@martinseanhunt]

Awesome video Malcom! Would love a video on how to ride variable, sluch, ice, bumpy terrain with style. I'm super comfortable carving and doing short radius / gripped turns on nice groomed or hard packed snow. But I often feel like I'm not sure what kind of turn shape I should be using in the variable stuff and I feel like I end up riding it a lot more conservatively than I could be.

[@kwchalky02]

Thanks for this one Malcolm. I really enjoy Lars' channel. I like his attitude and way of looking at things and he has a good way of explaining things. Good to see you doing this session/video with him and good on you for giving it a go. I think the biggest take away from this is that stance makes a difference. If you want to ride everything then your board (no matter what board you choose) is going to be a compromise for some element of your ride, and stance is the same. If you are going to be very specialist then you can pick your board and stance to maximise your setup. Understanding the differences between different stances (and board designs) makes you a better rider. I now have two boards; a directional board which I usually ride +21/+6 and a symmetrical twin which I ride +15/-15. Neither setup is right or wrong, just better for doing certain things and I therefore focus more on different riding styles/terrain on each. I enjoy and learn from your videos. Thanks. 🙂

[@malcolmmoore]

Absolutely, that's exactly how I feel too!

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

Thanks for confirming it was the 157. I'm very tempted to get one of those Stranda boards. I live near Keswick where they stock them... I asked the question on the 157 as normally ride a 161 as I'm just under 6 foot and weigh about 90kgs in my gear and I can't imagine going as small as the 154... but I've been riding since the 90s so I am at risk of being stuck in my ways!!! Keep up with the great work.

[@FazeredTube]

So glad you said something about your accent. I was giggling through the whole intro. 😂😂😂

[@FazeredTube]

I couldn’t stop laughing. It tickled me so much. I actually had tears in my eyes.

[@obktownposse]

I'm snowboarding for many years but I've never tried this position of the bindings. Now I'm looking forward to riding the posi angles and hope to improve my riding/carving skills. Thank you guys for this video and for the inspiration 👍👍👍 Best regards 👋 Ralf from Germany

[@malcolmmoore]

Cheers Ralf, enjoy it!

[@martenih]

This was great! I have been trying out some posi-posi (+12 +30) on my carving board (pentaquark) and it really is megafun in the mornings before it gets chopped up when you get the hang of it. As you guys said tho, it's not as fun when all the steeps are ice and big bumps and it starts getting crowded on all the more mellow slopes- then I'll just go to the car and grab my allmountain with 18 -9 instead and it's alot easier getting around everything.

[@ClioSport2016v]

So great to see you and Lars together. I watched his video when you linked it and now to see both of you is amazing

[@HywelOwen]

I used to do double positive for 'big blue' carving days. Great fun.

[@lukejuras8024]

Posi-posi in the morning when the groomers are fresh, duck foot in the afternoon when it's time to play around. I also just changed to +30/+15 from +12/-9, and in 20 years I have never had so much fun carving. James Cherry has the best video on carving for anyone wanting to check it out!

[@maness2112]

That's the recipe.

[@Metancity]

man, i just look on your run (in yellow jacket) and it looks perfect. Iam in the same situation. after 20years on board, and going to change my duck into to +27/+12 next week. and for sure, i watch james cherry video too. (right before this) its crazy how hard iam trying do perfect carv but in the same way i was trying stay paralel to board, specialy shoulders and now i see this. crazy. after 20years!

[@Penguinchubb0]

James Cherry is the GOAT

[@WaterFrequently]

I've been riding posi/posi for 28 years. For every reason that Lars explains. And also because it's so much easier on my back knee. I came from surfing with pos front and neutral back. But having a size 11.5 boot and learning in the 90s, a posi stance was the easiest way to avoid toe drag. Now that boards have become wider I've started playing with slightly less aggressive stances. Obviously I've never been able to seriously ride switch.

[@winterzahn]

learning switch is like learning it all over again, but I liked this challenge.

[@marcellacolombari4794]

This was very useful! I'm actually trying to break my comfort zone and change binding angle quite often. I am all for speed and carving, but I'm having a hard time finding the right conditions for this style. It requires compact snow and no bumps but unfortunately, due to this year's high temperatures, this seldom happens. Anyhow it's really fun to recalybrate and find the good in each stance, thank you for your videos!

[@malcolmmoore]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mattpolhamus9194]

Awesome collaboration! Lars is great, love his videos. So cool to see you guys riding together!

[@malcolmmoore]

Yeah we had such a good time !!

[@vincentdoescolorart]

Great you guys worked together to produce new insightful snowboard content! Congrats

[@malcolmmoore]

Our pleasure!

[@patthesoundguy]

I highly recommend the double positive stance angles. I have been doing it on everything I have for 12 years now, but I used to do it on and off back in the 90s when I would go carving. I ride about25 25to 35 35 on twins and 50 and 55 and 55 60 on my alpine boards. I ride all of my boards with hard boots and plate bindings. It took a lot of practice to get used to be able to ride all different types of turns with that forward stance but now that I do it so often I can do all the different blown out conditions with more confidence than I ever had before.

[@jeremystevens6020]

The holy grail of stance is a fascinating conundrum for me…I love carving the most in snowboarding. But I also love riding switch. 🧐 Thanks for the excellent video.

[@Christian-qz1db]

Thanks for that Video! Exactly what I was looking for. I am 15 years + in the game and look for something new to improve my riding skills. Definetely will try this asap 😊

[@jerryb63]

Didn’t expect to see this even though I knew you two were talking. Really interesting to see and great that you shared some of the experience here. 👍👍 While being far less skilled than either of you,in either stance, I’ve been juggling a strange mix of the two ‘styles’ while in a posi/posi set-up, switching from forward on flatter carving terrain to sideways on more lumpy/tricky terrain, and with the small amount of time I get on snow it messes with my head 😂 This helps me understand things a bit better. Great work both of you.

[@capitalc0524]

I like how you mentioned you felt weird making tight, short turns with the posi posi stance while you are doing dolphin turns casually in the video 😂

[@jonbrown9490]

I've found that a really good balance is to run a classic "Freeride" stance with your back foot at +3 to -3 and your front foot at +16 to +20 depending on the board and terrain. You can still really drive your knee and weight into a carve, but it still gives you enough "ankle steer" on the back foot for icy/chundery terrain

[@fmotrichp]

That works well if you have small feet but another advantage of going past +/- 9 is that it also starts to reduces your foot print. I only wear size 11 and couldn't carve with my back foot at 0 without going for a 270+ board and options are starting to get limited (and expensive) there. Back foot at +9 I'm kinda fine on my 265, still drags a bit when leaning deep though.

[@jonbrown9490]

@fmotrichp I actually run an 11.5 and a Ride Mtn Pig 160w with no toe/heel drag issues. Could be a difference in boots and terrain though. I suppose if the board was going totally vertical I might boot out on a heelside turn, but the chances of that are super low. I definitely agree that a steeper angle on your bindings will help squeeze your foot onto a narrower board.

[@Ras77Pmo]

@@fmotrichpi would rather say « that works well if your board is wide enough » because you can always buy a wider board… Asian market is full of +27cm wide carving boards

[@rejuvenatedzhu1415]

Such a great Video! you both are very great and educational instructor, explaining Snowboarding in a much easier way to be understood, i learned a lot from both of you!

[@malcolmmoore]

Thanks so much!

[@TpBrass0]

When I was in Japan, most snowboarders use this kind of posi posi stance and you can easily see some random guys doing crazy carving. Their upper body always facing to the nose, when it comes to steep terrain or moguls they mainly control their back feet and move fore and aft to change edge quickly. It's a totally different riding style.

[@victorystone1984]

I've been riding posi posi for over 30 years and your description of riding steeps and moguls is spot on. I'm definitely an anomaly here in the states but hopefully not for long. I've recently gotten my kids and their friends to start riding posi posi

[@MinamiX3]

​@@victorystone1984fellow posi posi rider in the states 👍

[@victorystone1984]

@@MinamiX3 Nice! Now that turning and carving is cool again in the states, I bet we start seeing more posi posi stances on slopes

[@FlyingTiger2]

I started with Raceboards and positive angles. It's fun to carve but switch riding and buttering was very hard. I've used duck now for over 10 years. A couple of years ago we tried posi posi for fun. We could hardly stay on top of the board and it felt absolutely weird and wrong. 😅

[@gregsweethughes907]

Love the disclaimer, I was only wondering what had happened 😂😂😂

[@joakimyliruusi]

I remember Malcolm commenting on Lars video. Now seeing them carve together and talk about it was great! Just switched to posi posi myself, definetly different but feels good for me!!

[@malcolmmoore]

Great to hear!

[@ANETOKILLE]

Great video and collab with Lars! Thanks

[@malcolmmoore]

Our pleasure!

[@THEH0FF69]

Two legends cant occupy the same space! loved this.. Been watching both of you religiously and also the tribute lounge boys who are the same age as me and ride posi posi. Im the same as most comments, learnt in hard boots in the 90s and moved to duck 20 years ago as all the cool kids were doing it. Im in Italy at present for 6 weeks, with my Assassin 158W and Dancehaul 152 (bought because of your review) Love my Assassin for everything, not made my mind up with the Dancehaul as yet but it was great in the powder last week. This video has sorted a few things out for me.. I will set my angles on Assassin as normal +18 -12 as i love carving in switch and the Dancehaul will be setup +27 + 9 as this was my old school angles with my old burton Floater in 1996. Maybe the Dancehaul will work better for me like this and i can dig those trenches like you two legends. Malcolm it would be great to have you do a video on boot fitting and understand what your opinion is on downsizing. I downsized 3 sizes from uk 10.5 - uk 9. Which has been amazing so much more control and support as i like stiff boots. (Ride Tridents) ...Been having heated discussions with UK online retailers, one in particular who say i should be wearing UK11.. its unbelievably bad advice and they told me i was an idiot to downsize. Love to know your thoughts!!? Thanks for the great carving advice, no skidding for me anymore, except on the steeps where i like do do those big slashy surf turns!

[@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel]

Hey! Thanks for the kind words! Not sure you've seen this, but I did a video on the 'right boot size' a year ago. Here's the link, and Malcolm, I'd be keen on your take on boot size as well. When I was teaching I opted for a 'comfort fit' over a 'performance fit' due to those long days and lots of walking... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJivnWmwht2id7Msi=JIsL5ZkyN4bhtec6

[@malcolmmoore]

Sounds like a good plan for the dancehaul as a posi posi board. As for boots honestly I don't try many pairs. Once I have a pair that fits I just stick to it. I'm quite close to my true size in boots, I just squeeze a half size smaller for my snowboard boots. I like a snug fit, especially as they always pack out, but I'm not gonna make it painful on my feet!

[@THEH0FF69]

@@malcolmmoore Thanks for the reply. It did take a few days of riding to dial my smaller boots in but i put this down to stiffer boots, new remind insoles and overtightening the BOA as i was used to pulling the life out of my S/L system with my shoe size boots. zero pain after loosening the boot over the bridge of my foot. I run an efoil school in Northern Ireland (UltimateSUPNI) and these things carve on rails like a dream. look me up if you are ever in NI and there will be an efoil experience with your name on it. Dave

[@malcolmmoore]

That sounds awesome, not sure I'll be there anytime soon, but I appreciate it!

[@MPLines]

Great discussion near the end. Last season I tried a number of days full posi. Yeah it's definitely great on groomers when you're laying the board up on edge, particularly heel side. That being said I struggled in tree runs and rutted out terrain more than duck. So I ended up sticking with directional duck (similar to you 18, -9). I feel like it's the best in between for most days. I think everyone should try full posi for a day though, it really gives you an understanding of body mechanics for carving. And you can retain some of that going back to duck or directional duck

[@MinamiX3]

You get used to riding the whole mountain posi posi. My pure carving stance is +30/+15 though +9 and my all mountain stance is +21/+6 the back foot being so close to 0 makes it really easy to navigate steeps, trees, and moguls and you still have that +21 front angle to really allow your hips to be open on that heel side. Riding switch is kinda weird though, you either look like a skier looking behind you or you twerk your knees the other way...

[@-the-great-awakening]

I did that at the beginning of the season and it’s been great 👍 now I’m going to watch the video ❤

[@thijsvanhasselt]

Wow, never knew about the forward lean concept! I’m def gonna try that! 🙌

[@rollingedges9469]

Rode +27+12 for the first time today after being +18-12 since I started 4years ago. I'll never go back to duck! Freaking feels amazing!

[@snowboardguru6794]

Something else was wrong in your set up or you likely had the common bad habit of too much of an open stance=twisting. Posi Posi will keep you at a lower level than you can be.

[@cryololz]

​@@snowboardguru6794What do you recommend for having it fixed? I ride a Mountain Twin and I have trouble adapting and finding my stance and angles. I learnt on a directional +15/0 back in 2010 and I can't seem to get my level back. I'm trying every angle from 15/0 to 15/-15 and I can't go as fast and turn as easily as before. The turning initiation is a problem Thanks

[@snowboardguru6794]

@@cryololz Hi. I just saw this. If I was with you I could fix everything in a snap for you. I see snowboarding. I know exactly how to fix everyone at every level. I’ll be back at you in a bit, definitely before it snows. Thank you for your question. I don’t necessarily give away my unique intellectual property and decades of knowledge to KZbinrs though. Not a single one of them has ever ever asked me a question to help them improve over the years except TJ from Board Archive. The rest of them have attempted to harass and bully me like children and most take movement analysis as a personal insult and block me. Lol. Their loss. And I do mean their loss. I’m hoping to get a skeleton computer model video of my riding with a fabulous guy in Spain. I’m working on my book but am distracted at this time trying to help save democracy. Soon. Everything in the right time. Thank you.

[@snowboardguru6794]

@@cryololz And Burton Europe wants to know what I’m talking about and what I’ve figured out that the entire industry has missed. I know why we zigged when we should have zagged and when and how way back in the 1980s bc I was there. Thank you for your question.

[@truthbike]

30/18 posi posi is my receipe for deep carves on my jones freecarver 6000. Next step is K2 thraxsis boots. Love it!

[@see_chris]

I tried exactly the same thing a week ago. Fascinated by the hardboot riders you see on the slopes from time to time. I really wanted to try it out because I love a nice carving line. It went quite well, but it takes some time getting used to, but it's still a lot of fun!

[@Anne-js3ec]

This is so interesting! I’ve learned snowboarding with positive angles 23 years ago and always had so much foot pain till I switched to -9/18 only a few years ago. My toeside turn is just still not the way it should be, I still have the tendency to counter rotate a bit when switching from heel to toe side and I think it’s from being used to positive angles.

[@MrSpenceification]

It's been said already but yup, my 2 favourite snowboard youtubers together in the same vid riding the same board, one which has even felt the love from Angry. This is the video we all wanted to see. You guys are convincing people to experiment with their stance and snowboarding which can only be a good thing. Malcolm and Lars keep doing what you do, you're giving us the info thats so lacking. Happy turns!

[@malcolmmoore]

Thanks so much 😊😊 was such a fun weekend making this video!!

[@elho001]

Awesome to see some more of Lars riding and both of you carving hard! 👍 I feel slightly different on the game changer/totally different experience/getting used to and awkward on difficult errain parts. Maybe because like Lars I learned on posi posi angles (actually insane angles in the 30 to 45 degree range both feet) learning both carving and basic ground tricks including to ride switch that way, only moving to a (non-symmetric +12 -9) duck more than 15 years into riding when duck became a thing. Duck made switch more convenient ,but was not a game changer either, it was not as if my switch game made a huge jump due to it. This season, along with getting the Jones Freecarvers I went to posi posi (+24 +9) on them after more than 10 years of duck only. Yes it helps especially on the heel carve, opening up the hip while maintaining edge hold, but the stance was more suxtle a change to me than between dedicated carving board and say freestyle board (and that difference is not like one could not learn and do say 70-80% of one's carving on without problems) . Also I got used to it again within few runs (having some skid outs like Malcom helping me remind to adapt a bit more) and switching to my freestyle board setup duck and back within a day was not too weird either. Also I explored all opened parts of Verbier/Quattre Vallees and Les Arcs/La Plagne with them, including Tortin in Verbier (second run at all on the 9000S actually) and the Rochu in La Plagne to name those with the steepest mogul parts in the same league as the Tunnel in Alpe d'Huez. I did clearly feel the extra effort to put in with a longish strong camber board, but did not feel awkward in any way. Oh and both Malcolm and Lars are hands down better riders than me. That is why I feel the drawbacks were slightly overstated. Maybe it is that given how I was taught back in the days, I even in my skidded turns rely more on unweighting and weight shifting than torsional twist so much.🤷

[@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel]

I hear ya! I think you're right about your background. And it is also a matter of how steep the angles really are. I'm happy all over the mountain in all conditions at 27/+9 or 27/+6. As I said in the video, when I 'over do it' (because the board width forces me to go 36/+18 or so) I notice the difficulties in bumpy slow speed sliding turn terrain. There is surely an aspect of getting used to it in this. And you obviously don't have to worry about that. 🙂

[@chrissladden4593]

Very interesting to hear your take on posi posi, I started this year at +27 +12 but found I was getting to must strain on my front knee. Have now dropped to +24 +9 my carving has improved greatly, I don't do a lot of switch but can still do it. The only down side for me is calf strain, but that might be an age thing😂

[@1Flyingfist]

It's great that your brought him on! I really like his channel too. Good information. 👍

[@traceygrills1076]

Picked up Korua shapes dart for the the Northern hemisphere season in Japan (I am Australian) which I’ve just wrapped up after 6 epic weeks. Inspired by the Nicolas Wolken vid on their website I decided to give posi posi a go…I’m at 27/21 or 27/18 and I’ve gotta say it’s changed the way I’m able to carve…Might be a placebo affect but who cares….it feels so natural and and my confidence has improved out of sight…Never going duck again…great video 👍

[@SNLandCruisers]

I have been riding the same stance since the early 1990's as well. I never been a big trick guy but have done hundreds of days riding big mountain back country. I also rode a 168 fat board for decades and am only 5'10" and 170lbs. Stance all the way back. Super stable and fast in deep deep steep powder.

[@chrisbirch5705]

Hi Malcolm Great video, as always. You mention moguls at one point in the video, and how these are better tackled with a conventional stance. Have you made a video yet on the technique needed to master moguls. I've just come back from a trip where they were impossible to avoid and I certainly found them challenging. Any tips would be gratefully received...

[@giovanniamore7532]

started dubble pos on a much too long raceboard at age 16 😄 took a course, couldnt ride AT ALL.. then, after the course, first time alone on the mountain, got to fast to quick, and then the magic happend : the rocket fired up !!! 😄🤩👍

[@m.j.5681]

I typically ride very aggressively in a tucked stance (for speed) with bindings at +18/0. Have found the neutral position in the back to be great but want to try out a slight positive in the back foot. Great explanation in the vid and good to know that neutral back foot likely helps a lot on ungroomed or messier trails and will keep that in mind.

[@SunSnowGravity]

This is so informative! I actually saw this stance on the slopes but associated it with those ski boots snowboards. I'm a bit ashamed that I've never thought about until now

[@goavegas4874]

Hardboot and alpine or carving snowboard

[@SunSnowGravity]

@@goavegas4874 yep, those ones

[@hsidder]

Knapton - world’s best carver, no question. Love that you gave this a go. Fun vid.

[@malcolmmoore]

Thanks so much 😊

[@meldmachine1331]

So stoked when I saw Lars was there!

[@x21rutger]

Started snowboarding in the 90s where posi posi was the standard way to learn. Duck was really something for those wild freestylers. I really enjoyed the feeling of carving when I picked it up, but turned to duck to join the cool kids vibe. Over the last few years ingot a bit bored riding duck and really looked for something new in my snowboarding, longing for that carve feeling. Picked up a jones freecarver and going posi posi this year!

[@malcolmmoore]

I've heard good things about that board, enjoy!

[@nicodemus1828384]

So awesome! Two of my favorite snowboard youtubers in one video?! I've been playing with posi posi since last year, due in large part to folks like Lars. So cool to see even someone super experienced like Malcolm having fun playing with the angles. How's the Biru?

[@thamicroeser1034]

Ha, that looked excellent for a first go! I have been riding +24/+9 for a couple of years, and always revisit your carving vids at the start of a trip, carefully revising the do's and don'ts. Somehow it didn't cross my mind that your tips would not necessarily apply for double posi riders! Now I need to figure out what the key differences are as I prep to ride in Japan. Key takeaway for now is that I should try breaking at the waist to lean downslope when it gets steep 😅

[@DMTD187]

Hahah disclaimer was brilliant and just as a comment was being written you addressed it 😂 Great vid as always

[@mitche2176]

Lars and Malcolm power duo! I was so excited to see you dropped the Biru carving video!

[@malcolmmoore]

Yeah was so happy he stopped by for a visit!

[@AijazAnsari]

Very nice! Thanks for taking the time to talk about the tradeoff with a posi-posi stance. That really helped me think about if I'm ready to try this, and if my typical snow conditions would support this. (No, and no :) )

[@sth1dtitan676]

Moguls and steeps can be done with posi/posi angles just as well. Similarly to carving, the technique is different, but you can make gripped turns just like you can with duck stance. Try pushing your back knee forwards and then knee steering with your front knee. (Been riding 30/18 or 27/15 angles for 25 years, from trees and steeps to mirror smooth groomers)

[@malcolmmoore]

Thanks for the tips!

[@snowboardguru6794]

Wrong.

[@303Jason]

Really recommend mellower angles to get the best of both worlds. I typically use +18/+3 and this allows me to carve much easier (than duck) while still sending jumps and straight lining with confidence.

[@mtcsypkens]

Great video! When I started boarding in '98 with posi posi stance. Moved to duck a few years later. Might go back and test it again. There is a reason the do posi posi on hardboots anyway.

[@krisztiankovacs3577]

Great , i 'm very waiting this episode. I' started duck stance for some years , but when i felt carving centrifugal feeling , searched the better techniques. My first preference the carving specific boards and gears. Bought Driver X boots and some higher flex bindings. (Flux XV, CV etc) About for years ago testing posy /posy stance , the first time was very uncomfortable. Testing some higher angles but now i think , i dont need higher +15 backfoot and +30 front foot. This is very good for carving, and not so much uncomfortable. Morning ride with Amplid Pentaquark posy /posy satnce , afternoon little twin DC 152 freestyle board with duck stance. :D Now i feel little more uncomfortable the duck stance . ;)

[@james.telfer]

I have tried this while predominately riding powder although I was nowhere near as fluid as you guys! Your boards are a bit wider than what I had and size 11 boots were catching toes so couldn't do it on the piste. Great video, must give it a try when I next get a change to hit the slopes 🥹 Les Deux Alpes was the last place we went too - it was quite icy by the end of our week!

[@bsmaven]

You didn't discuss stance width. After watching Lars video i narrowed my stance which should help with a positive stance and forward and back movements in turns. That took more getting used to them leaving duck stance but I think it works. I probably was using too wide a stance to begin with anyway. I also took Lars advice about changing gradually and using 0 back foot angle for now.

[@penandcandle]

This is beautiful! I'm an intermediate rider but feel like doing is already. Also, think the feet position would suit me better since I come from longboarding and surfskating, and the back foot always feels weird at the duck stance when snowboarding.

[@andhib]

Revelation :) Great collaboration, need to try this for steeper terrain carves.

[@geoffreygray3426]

It’s about time somebody made an adjustable rear binding that can be changed quickly by pulling a toggle or something Great vid

[@azurehly]

great video as usual, love your post since the start of my snowboard journey on 2022. May I ask where did you ride in the video? the tracks look so amazing for carving.

[@ΧριστόφοροςΜπόικος-γ1σ]

As always a great video. I think a give it a go tomorrow...i. i always thought i was not that good in carving but hearing that you , also can't scrub speed in steeper terrain makes me think i should give posi stance a try...

[@Dangersquerl]

Nice vid. Moved from +18 -9 a few years ago, been creeping forward, currently +27 +3. Need to narrow the stance a bit yet. Korua made me do it 😬

[@blakoemail]

I learned snowboard in the 90s and this is the way I am set up. Also due to acl tear in my left knee this is a much batter set up for injured knee ligaments.i also ride switch stance sometimes but not full spead obviously.

[@TonyBlijs]

Great collaboration.! I'm gonna try posi posi next week.. see what up!!!😊😊

[@malcolmmoore]

Enjoy!!

[@mikeoclimberMTB]

Duck stance FTW. Sometimes going through moguls is required and being able to ride half the mogul field switch is way easier on your knees. Riding a super wide board like a knapton twin eliminates the toe/heel clearance issues that used to mandate a posi posi stance for carving well.

[@Mr.Del29]

Goosebumps after that lars intro!

[@malcolmmoore]

😊😊

[@jeffritter2685]

Great video and dialogue. Beautiful turns out there you two!

[@malcolmmoore]

Thanks so much 😊🫶🏼

[@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel]

Thanks!! I appreciate that!! 🙏

[@00Munki]

Great video. I was taught with ++ stance14 years ago and have always ridden this way! Only +18 +9, maybe i need to go more extreme!

[@Legend-tj9hx]

I have been riding double positive and for me it was game changing. i started riding properly and turns come faster

[@saltycoke]

excited to continue practicing with double posi, thanks guys!

[@axl9530]

Brilliant collaboration! I've been trying to mimic this style for the last 3 seasons now. On the toeside I can get pretty low and drag forearms but I am doing something wrong on my heelsides, I can't even scrape the tips of my fingers. I watched all the videos about rotating your body, I am riding posi posi but when I try to rotate my upper body during heelside, my back leg is coming around and I wash out and end up on my bum. It's so frustrating. Should I work on my upper body rotation "stretching"? When I watch videos of myself I don't seem to be able to get my bum over the heel edge and my position looks like I am sitting on an immaginary chair. Given the informations can you give some blind tips or advices? Thank you for the great content you produce ✌

[@thincarvedline]

I learned duck foot and rode soft boots so I could teach. But switched to my hardboots as soon as classes were done. Been riding hard boots since '92 - that's all they had at the rental shop in 1992. With the years of practice, I go everywhere on the mountain - even done the half pipe back in the day. Ice is the only condition I don't like to ride in my hardboots (probably don't like it in soft boots either.)

[@wayte7615]

when i first tried posi i couldn't open my hip like that on heelside turn. it's amazing how you can adapt the stance that quickly

[@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel]

I agree! Malcom figured it out in no time! Rock Star!

[@joelsilverman338]

I've been riding posi posi for 35 years, going all the way back to the Burton PJ6 and Asym Air. I tried duck once but just didn't feel right. It's great that a new gen is discovering the feeling of the carve

[@thincarvedline]

My PJ6 broke in the moguls, folded right up at the front binding. Now it makes a nice shelf.

[@rotatingfan7971]

How do you feel about endurance with double pozi? Can do this stance all day? Do you feel different muscle aches after?

[@IgorAntarov]

Awesome video! I've started snowboarding many years ago in posi posi stance. Now I'm learning how do ride duck stance, and it's really hard to re-learn. I would recommend newbies to master the duck stance first, before going positive.

[@elho001]

Really?! Totally not my experience. I learned on and rode for over 15 years extreme posi posi, ie. more than 30 degrees on both feet and - to make things worse - more on the back foot. Changing to duck at +12 - 9 took me an afternoon in an indoor ski dome before that seasons vacation. Took some intermediate angles that I went through, each being a step that would feel weird, but did not prevent my technique to work. Whenever, after several runs, it would feel less weird and I felt like I could ride that way, I went another step towards duck. I did not manage to ride like I was used to at fully symmetric duck like +12 -12, so I stuck to the +12 -9. Is it maybe something like that what you are facing?

[@davinci69]

I have a directional board so I just have my back foot neutral and front foot forward.

[@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel]

Very powerful setup! Did that for years.

[@AndyLee-x7e]

Great video mate! I’m glad you put the disclaimer in there because straight away I was wondering what was going on with your accent! 😄 I could understand it becoming more french but that wasn’t french! 🤣 Steve and I would love to come out to your neck of the woods one winter. Keep up the good work!

[@malcolmmoore]

Haha yeah I couldn't believe what I was hearing when I got to the editing 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Dondernemer]

Interesting video. I will try it next week. also nice you use an in video pop up for the talking so we can see more footage of the run 👍

[@florianalexander]

Posi Posi was a game changer for me this season. I Like to drift so easy and to carve the red and black ones in the alps. Its much more easier fort me to handle the board without pain in the back leg in Duckstance. And yes it's true you lean much more forward and can keep a good push to fet into the carving feeling.

[@sebastianmetz]

Haha so funny, 23 years ago I learned to snowboard posi-posi and it revolutionized riding switching to duck stance because of it‘s versatility. Now it comes back with people learning double positive for the first time 😄 But yes, I remember the loss of force that comes with your back foot pointing backwards vividly and how much more challenging riding at higher speeds became with duck stance.

[@Runetone]

This is a great colaportation. Makes me want to get a Stranda biru. i am a size 13, so i was looking at it before :)

[@carlfreslov1531]

Love that you called out your own weird accent at the beginning 😂 i was thinking wtf is going on with his voice 😂😂😂

[@malcolmmoore]

Nightmare, blooming Europeans messing with me!

[@walletjew]

Especially the heel side turn looks to be improved drastically, cause in duck you simply can’t angle your board far enough. The moment a slope is a bit more steep, no matter what I try there is always some skidding on my heel turn, while the toe turn is a nice pencil line.

[@Kah0ona]

What an awesome video again. I love your approach to videos, where you are considerate and showing trade offs as well. Thanks! PS that board looks very cool, also heard Angry Snowboarder talk about it. Now I get this itch again, thanks😂

[@willemijnvanboxmeer1876]

Malcolm as a snowboarders crossing over from beginner to intermediate i have the feeling your videos helped me a lot with my stance. But somehow it fails me on the slanted slope when my head is towards the high side and i want to turn to my heel side. I either fall backwards or nothing happens at all. I was hoping you to have some tips for the slanted slope. I hope you understand the question, one of my more experienced friends didnt see why it would be an extra challenge.