Double Your Star Citizen FPS?!

Can we all now double Star Citizen's framerate? Nvidia, AMD and I think Intel GPU's can use Lossless Scaling's new frame generation feature to insert extra frames and in theory double performance! Does it work well?
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Test Setup
Star Citizen Alpha 3.22
Resolution 1080p
Minimum Spec System
CPU: i7 8700
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM 32GB 2666MHZ
#StarCitizen​​ #SpaceSim​​ #PCGaming​ #Squadron42​ #S42 #losslessscaling #framegeneration

[@theooooot9469]

As someone who only has a 1080p monitor, I see this as an absolute win

[@Ace-Brigade]

For some reason a consistent frame rate is more important to my brain than a high one. I can deal with anything between 30 and 60 so long as it's fairly consistent once you start going up and down all over the place it really starts becoming nauseating.

[@retrowrath9374]

More people need to get a VRR monitor or G-Sync montior, it's just smooth no matter how big the FPS drops are

[@Antidepressiva1980]

nope, even with gsync if you have massive drops it will stutter, not as much as without gsync freesync etc. but it will stutter sometimes with big ups and downs .@@retrowrath9374

[@TheRedRanger123]

It's not FPS, it's the frame times. You can have 60 fps with inconsistent frame times and it will look bad and jittery.

[@Ace-Brigade]

@@TheRedRanger123 that as well, but frames for second can also have the same effect if they are all over the place

[@jujuu1339]

@@retrowrath9374 Lossless Scaling FG has VRR support. Agreed, g-sync on my 360hz monitor feels like a necessity to me 😅

[@honey-fe6pj]

I tested this and it worked at 4k. RTSS said 60FPS but Lossless Scaling's counter showed 120FPS. I could also notice the difference but still wasn't quite sold (artifacts mainly) on it. I would say older 2D games stuck at 30fps etc would benefit but an FPS game? Not quite. What SC gamers could do is use LS upscaling (LS1,FSR,NIC etc) to get stable FPS and then the Frame Generation - for my i am happy at 4K/60 until we get in-game upscalers.

[@TechPC-gf9pq]

Rtss says 60fps because its interpole, lossless scaling adds fps after fps counter has calculated

[@Duvoncho]

Nice to see you giving this a vid of it's own. I've been using LS for about 4 years now. It's come a long way in that time! Costs less than a pint and gets you a whole lot further. 👍

[@tlove21]

I would love to see how it works, but I don't think I need it. I however have family members with lower end systems. So will check this out on their machine. Thanks for the video!

[@ArqitectTV]

Ive actually changed servers and have noticed different FPS and havent changed a thing for my setup. So unless you can get on the same server two times for actual side by side, its hard to say whats actually going on.

[@GhostofZuuzGaming]

ive been playing with amd frames on 1440p, with a 6700xt and 5900x, ive noticed its not that bad in space i was seeing to upto 170ish in space! but in lorville was around 60ish, the frame gen was usually below 2x performance in most areas. I didnt really notice any graphics glitching only when flicking the character around quickly.

[@cirez5251]

Ty! This information about „only up to 1080p“ saved me a lot of spending more time on it. I didn’t have the feeling it worked with 3440x1440 and 2560x1440. You are awesome

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Glad I could help!

[@desertbum8]

It definitely works for 3440x1440p. I have been using it for a few days to mess with it. Locked at 45fps and 90 on the monitor. It's artifacts but feels much smoother. It does not have to be 1080p.

[@GFClocked]

I just used it on 4k street fighter 6, works fine.

[@HeyWOOL]

The info that it only works for 1080p is absolutly wrong. There is no claim that it only works for this resolution espacially since the dev said that you can combine the framegen with upscaling which total demistifies this statement. I suggest to read the dev note which he shows at the Start of the Video...

[@wozo9210]

it 100% works on 1440p now and gives me literally double the frames

[@RAYQUAZA_X]

I tested it today and its awsome ! I get 100 fps at 1440p max settings (exept the clouds on medium) in horizon ! When i go to the asop terminals in horizon i get a rock solid 144 fps.

[@dani43321]

Did you manage to get it to autodetect the Star Citizen window? No matter what I set in the "filter" field, it doesn't detect it, but it does with other games.

[@SOLO_0]

This works for me quite good. I have a pretty good CPU but a bit worse gpu, playing on 1080 so I can kin of make 100 fps everywhere, I get around 40-50 fps in most of the places by default

[@hupe5836]

it does work on 1440p for me, and when i tested it like locking the game fps lets say 30fps and instead of changing monitor hz to 2x that I just lock lossless scaling fps to 2x the locked game fps and it works the same, (I got 170hz monitor) so that way no need to limit refresh rate. Just sharing my experience

[@LucaYT1]

Its works really good, now we need a Nvidia reflex mod for every game and wualá, im running star citizen at 75fps FG (37fps - 75hz) with RTX 2060

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I have found that my CPU (Ryzen 5 5600X) and my GPU (RTX 3060 12GB) are both used almost at max, CPU often at 89% and GPU often at 99% with the game as it is. Plus my Monitor is a 1440p one at 165MHrz refresh rate. I do not know if this software would be of benefit to me. But EVERY scrap of information, is GOOD information!! So thank you for that.

[@frogger2011ify]

You can't trust the usage delivered to you through windows hardware monitoring it doesn't poll very fast or accurately for a number of reasons. Even tools like coretemp will be more accurate but don't paint the proper picture. See your cpu used 90% are they big or small packets? Small packets you can slip alot more in and a 90% cpu is hardly being used as the L2 cache is keeping up with the processor. It becomes an issue with large packets that big down the processor's cache. Ram speed and the quality of the motherboard come into play here as well as it affects the offloading of the L2 cache to the ram. How fast a computer operates is a lot more complex than just higher spec=faster. Also this thing is a bad idea with the desync in cryengine, the rubber bands will be vicious and more frequent

[@johnzoidberg1160]

Great vid as always!

[@sierra117420]

This technology is marvelous. Even though it has input lag and artifacting issues, give AMD/Nvidia 2-3 years and this technology will behave like actual magic (as if it already doesn't).

[@andreimitran1752]

This is exactly what i needed, i recently upgraded almost everything in my PC except for the video card as i ran out of money, and i'm still rocking a 1070 gtx, with this, i get more frames in big cities than my friends with higher gpu power 🤣 it's awesome, thank you

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Good stuff, glad it's working well for you!

[@ninthhelltv987]

great video, ty

[@dylan609]

If I'm not mistaken, usually the gpu is not the bottleneck in SC. If you have a ballanced system its the cpu. Frame gen is mainly meant to help with gpu load not cpu. With that being said, I see little point in having frame gen with SC, espcially considering that frame gen doesnt do well with unstable fps, which SC is prone to have.

[@chrisgroves5175]

It helps the CPU not the GPU lol

[@chigtorials6487]

I recently used this on games where i average 60fps and it would output around 120 and it felt great. almost like native 120 if i'm being honest

[@mixedd69]

And if you count artefacts? Still think it's worth it? I tried AFMF on many games, and it's not only about final frames, but about picture quality

[@chigtorials6487]

@@mixedd69 To be fair the games I played did have artefacts no doubt. haven't tried AFMF yet but from the analysis' I've seen I think AFMF visually performs better but this is more accessible. If anything I'd wager in a year or two this tech will be widely accessible and perform as good as we perceive DLSS 3 FG to perform now with newer updated algorithms or more efficient methods of upscaling that trickles down to regular software as opposed to requiring dedicated hardware

[@Artemyst]

Love this software. The only way I could run starfield at a framerate that didn't make me want to claw my eyes out was by using this.

[@HeyWOOL]

You said that you can only use it for 1080P. That is not correct. Furthermore, you can usw upscaling alongside the framegen. In the Blogpost which you showed beforehand, the dev explains and mentioned exactly that. The main purpose of framegen is to either make something playable (eg. render 30 Frames, generate 30 frames, get 60 in total) or to achieve high framerate targets for high refresh monitor (eg. Render 60, generate 60, have 120 in total). Espacialy the first case can benefit from upscaling. I tried the LS APP with upscaling and framegen in Valheim on my rtx 2060 Laptop to get from 60 to 120 frames on a high refrehsrate monitor in 1440 as the target. I upscaled from 720p. During this, my system used significantly far less power, which saves money. Espacialy here in germay where we pay something like 40cent per KWh. You example also focusses on one game. There are however plenty of other examples. EG: i want to play Hogwarts legacy with 120 Frames. My system is only capable oft 70 to 90. what i now can do is limit it to stable 60 and generate the other 60. i get a far smoother result by this and i can also leverage the upscaling with allows me furthermore ro utilize the now available headroom to dial in the graphics higher.

[@ratscarletb6785]

I was waiting for somebody to check this out, I need a tutorial for this.

[@gamerdad9870]

worked wonders for me simple build 32gb ryzen 2700x rx 6750xt 2560x1080p i used to get 8-20 fps is orison after setting riva to 37 i get anywhere between 40-74 fps

[@bossdaily5575]

Can you do a general performance settings guide for star citizen?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Here's one I did not too long ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKDdd5emfL5opJYsi=fZw0tdl0fcymJ4A9

[@pelvist]

Does this program support ultrawide resolutions?

[@ImreBertalan86]

If you are one of those players, who have a PC closer to the minimum spec, llike me (Ryzen 5 3600 + Radeon 6650XT), then Losless SScaling is PERFECT to use, but insstead of image generation, use upscale. From 1760x990 to 1080p it givess me like a 60% upgrade and the image quality is not noticably worse than native 1080p. Also, am I that far behind iin gaming? I still think 1080 screens look sharp enough, can't imagine mysself ATM on a 4K monitor 😅

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Completely agree, upscaling is a very good things! I would just recommend not looking at a 1440p or 4k monitor- once you've seen the higher resolutions it's hard to go back! 1080p is still completely fine though!

[@ImreBertalan86]

Then I'll make sure NOT to buy a 1440p or 4K monitor in the future, so I won't cry because having 1080p 🤣 @@tenpoundfortytwo

[@LiterallyAna]

Which upscale method are you using? Default is LS1, should I change it to anything else?

[@MrFWStoner]

0:20 you say here that it works "okay" but not really well. I see your base frame rate is around 25-35. AMD did say it works best with a minimum FPS of 60 so that might be a part of your experience. In my experience it works pretty good, even with a fluctuating frame rate as long as it's above 60 FPS. Also, your experience improves with Free-sync enabled, don't know if that was the case?

[@fliphsie4763]

My ingame cursor in f mode or in menus is not working when I use Lossless Scaling. Has anyone got an idea why that is?

[@DarkSoul-pb6dv]

great video man but i tried it out myself on multiple games and it seems frame generation doesn't increase my fps at all on it it does the glitchy effect showing that it is working but only upscaling increases my fps +30 fps more but the frame generation does absolutely nothing

[@patman_for_sure]

Combining this with DSR will be exceptional

[@RED--01]

For me with everything on very high(except clouds) I was so surprised to see 60-75 fps in orison...bro im talking about that area when you leave habs ..has those trees and my pc normally hits 30-40 fps.. With lossless literally 60-80 .. The artifact thing is way too little for damn stable fps.

[@o7StarCitizen]

I have 7700k+ 3070 should I try it?

[@josemartins-game]

Thats how I play it for a long time. But I use much more than 1080p

[@fleetreadygaming]

Any chance you’ll be doing a 4070S review anytime soon? I plan to upgrade to one from a 2070, and am curious how it will do with my 5800x3D

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Too pricy for me to test I'm afraid, but with GPU's you can extrapolate from the big KZbin channel reviews to how it would compare to the 4080 I use for testing. It looks like its a fair bit quicker than my 3080, so at 1440p it should be great for many years to come! The 5800X3D will likely be the bottleneck in the cities, but they should be pretty well matched.

[@fleetreadygaming]

@@tenpoundfortytwo that’s what I figured would be the case, good to hear. Can’t wait to experience the boost in performance compared to the 2070, and with CIG working on DLSS, and the other types, along with vulkan hopefully we shall see some more performance gains in 2024

[@UnclePorkchop]

Excellent!

[@amariel3310]

It works on 1440p and 4K as well, developer worded it kinda badly there.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Good to know, thanks!

[@mikecapson1845]

shame.. my ultrawide monitor qzuad HD is displaying 1080p as crap.. Only if it was usable at least up to 2k res :/ I got I9 12900k + 3080.. so it would be dope.. but for now ill stick to Nvidias Image scaling (50%) from 2k to 4k.. my fps are usually 45-60 in landing zones if not overcrowded.

[@Stormyy6310]

i5-13400 RTX 3060 32GB of DDR4 RAM B760M motherboard Sabrent SSD 28 fps in Seraphim (tried with this ""technique"") Edit : it worked now, I raised the fps limit on Rivatuner and managed to be at 48 fps in Seraphim, will keep monitoring in case of changes and make further edits if I have problems

[@user-mg6mb5tf9j]

ive tried using it, but it keeps wanting full power from my gpu, so it sounds like a jet engine all the time

[@ZaneDragonBorn]

If it supported 3440x 1440 it would be great. My monitor makes anything 1089p look terrible due to its size

[@srlPOLLO]

This is great!!

[@Pappy_1775]

It is not free for me. Steam is asking $6.99 for it. Does it require running Steam at the same time? I mean, I am already running Reshade and Discord in the background, so now am I going to have to run Steam also or can I run it by itself?

[@crowATlinux]

Never use Frame Generation with lesser than 60 FPS

[@DualsPortvet]

If I have to add an app or program, no thanks. I'm getting 60 to 180 FPS depending on locations with the 5800x3d and both a 3080 using AMDs AI tuning, and 5800x3d and 6950xt. I run two accts. So having to download another program or app just to get extra FPS is just no something I'm willing to do.

[@Kingalex1243]

I increased my average frame rate and timing immensely by running star citizen with its ecores turned off. I hesitated to do it for a long time but the difference is night and day. My 1% lows were the same but my frame timing was way more consistent and my average went up almost 10frames. I can’t recommend it enough. I’m running i7-13700F, RTX 4060ti, 32gb of ram on an SSD. If anyone is Interested I can link to the Reddit post with the information

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah its frustrating that the ecores are still not fixed in SC!

[@Kingalex1243]

@@tenpoundfortytwo yea seriously. Still very surprised at how well the game ran with them off.

[@acidtwin]

Are you doing this via the motherboard or the shortcut method?

[@desertbum8]

​@acidtwin I'd like to know as well. When I monitor it using the shortcut sometimes it shows them working and sometimes they're parked. Very noticeable I'd done through bios but then the rest of the computer seems sluggish.

[@Kingalex1243]

@@acidtwin via the shortcut method.

[@Casperdghost618]

I just wanna know how to remove the aliasing on the mfds in my connie, it drives me mad.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

I think that's just one of those things that CIG are going to have to fix one day!

[@Casperdghost618]

@@tenpoundfortytwo gotcha, guess will have to ignore it for the meantime

[@Tainted-Soul]

I think we all would like to double our FPS lol I running 1440p and do ok most the time but I am thinking of going to 4k as I dont think the 4090 is hitting 100% at any point. mind you my CPUY dont either so it is going to be hard until CIG get the what they want on the CPU and GPU sorted and the updated graphics engine in and working to see any improvements. I may try DLSS when it comes in to the game to boost the FPS but as long as its smooth then Im happy its not like its COD or BF2042 , or Esports LOL. we will see wha the new OLED displays come out this year I may go for the 39" 1440p or stick to a 32" but go 4K we will see

[@Tainted-Soul]

@@nahbro3240 yes im running a 7950x3d with 64GB of 6000hz Ram I get the same

[@cpt.tombstone]

I remember when Nvidia announced Frame Generation, this is the quality that I expected. I'm very glad that DLSS 3.x offers much higher quality, but for a general solution, this is serviceable, but AFMF seems to be working better, I think. It would be awesome if AFMF could run on any Ryzen iGPU, but the processing power requirements are significant enough to make that impossible on iGPUs.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Hopefully this will improve as a general solution for everyone (pretty impressive for 1 dev I believe). It's going to be very interesting to see how AMD and Nvidia push thing forward for the next versions!

[@cpt.tombstone]

@@tenpoundfortytwoYes, it's quite impressive. I've bought it first to test it out, but I'm not likely to use it, nevertheless, I would have bought it just for supporting the developer, since this is awesome work, benefiting a lot of people. With FSR 3 going open source, I'm hoping they will have a go at generalizing the optical flow algorithm there as a part of the app. Hopefully that would work at higher resolutions as well.

[@honey-fe6pj]

@@tenpoundfortytwo And the dev had to flee the Ukraine after the invasion so that would have effected development time.

[@Angeluzito08]

es como decir que el aguacate que sobro ayer y se puso negro en el refri sabe y se ve igual a como estaba antes de prepararla... no me gusta el hecho de que la imagen se distorcione

[@th3count]

"looks like 60 feels like 30" 30fps(feel) + 35ms input delay. yeah your gonna feel that. As someone who can feel vsync, i don't understand the current obsession with frame generation and other fake frame technologies. Besides "oooh look mah eph pee esses are high"

[@XxXnonameAsDXxX]

I think all of these aftermarket solutions are absolute whack. I already get sick in fps fights or space because of random drops, I can't imagine how that would fps interpolation would feel. And then if I can hit 60+ fps I'm no way doing frame interpolation. Better wait for the in-engine build. Maybe 2024 will bring some better performance.

[@SirReubs]

As someone thats using an i5-7400, and rx 580 8gb oc with 24gb of ram, does this mean im below minimum specs😅

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah, you are a fair bit under what I would recommend I'm afraid! It should run- but it wont be pretty! Free Fly coming up, so you can try for free!

[@PintoW0Sl]

I'm already using, and it's amazing🎉

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Glad it's working well for you! What are your PC specs?

[@PintoW0Sl]

I actually run on a laptop. It's an : 11800h at 45W Undervolted ( -85 ) 3060 Undervolted ( -500 ) 32g Ram SSD Samsung Evo 970@@tenpoundfortytwo

[@semperfin]

Framegen/duplication solutions where never meant to be used with fps this low! This is not made for toasters to run 60 fps. For DLSS you should already have MINIMUM 60 fps, according to NVIDIA themselves. Why tf do people keep thinking this is some magic that turns their toaster into high end machines??

[@TechPC-gf9pq]

No imma do my own thing

[@dkindig]

THIS. I play another game with abysmal frame rates at 1440p and finally got a GPU that would do over 60 fps native in the tough areas. Currently running DLAA (no upscaling) and frame gen for 110-120 fps and it's performing well. I get some dips anyway because I'm CPU-limited in those areas as well but overall latency is really good and gameplay is much smoother. A 7800X3D bundle is in my near future. With that being said, I don't see it as a solution for SC because fps still dips pretty low in the city areas.

[@SebastiaanSwinkels]

What I'd like to see is a way to get my RX580 from 12 to 30fps xD

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

UI rendering does not need to be a problem with these technologies, it is a problem with the lackluster implementations we currently see in games. It is 100% possible to render the UI layer completely separate from the game viewport, but most developers are simply not doing this. As an example, you can simply render a 4K UI layer on top of a 1080 view port at scaled to 200%. But there are sadly very few games who implement it this way. This would mean you have a sharp 4K UI and can apply all the image processing you want to your game its viewport if one so desired.

[@LiterallyAna]

I bought the app, tried it running some bunkers but I don't see any difference. It's still as janky and stutter-y as ever. Maybe I need more RAM; I'm running 16GB

[@supersymmetry4852]

AFAIK, AMD hasn’t released the source code of AFMF for Vulkan. If CIG adopt FSR 3 in the future, I might try this for its improved image quality over FSR 2, not for the extra fake frames and latency.

[@LucidStrike]

As far as I know FSR 3 doesn't currently have upscaling beyond what FSR 2.2 can do. Isn't FSR 3 just FSR 2.2 + frame gen?

[@retrowrath9374]

Amazing when people say "fake" but raster is basically that, faking lighting and shadows but noone ever said it's fake

[@supersymmetry4852]

@@retrowrath9374 Inserting fake frames is not new. AMD introduced FMF for video playback on their Polaris graphic cards. And Asynchronous Timewarp is part of the rendering pipeline in the Oculus suite to combat motion sickness.

[@supersymmetry4852]

​@@LucidStrike New to FSR 3 is the introduction of Native AA, the counterpart of DLAA.

[@LucidStrike]

@@supersymmetry4852 True, true. Forgot about that.

[@NionAeon]

This was such a disappointing experience for me 😅 Scouring the internet just for tips on how to get a few more FPS is not something I’d thought I’d ever have to do with my PC. Sadly, I didn’t do research on performance, I expected jank and unfinished work, but had no idea it was just commonly accepted that it’s 20-50 fps, with 60fps being gold dust.. really don’t want to refund, but..

[@DrakyHRT]

This game doesn't even need more than 60 fps, it's not a competitive game, and the newest lossless scaling LSFG 2.0 is amazing, has almost 0 artifacts and gives a huge performance boost.

[@NionAeon]

@@DrakyHRT yeah I bought that straight after I commented and have to say, it’s a massive game changer. I’ve been loving SC since! And what a community, filled with so many people offering to help new people get started 👏👏👏

[@noname-ov8lm]

"not available in your region" ok fuck this app's developers

[@Just-Another_Channel]

Anybody can use it? Can I, a Linux user?

[@Just-Another_Channel]

Yes, Star Citizen does indeed work on Linux

[@magnumx70]

yeah pass I'm running at 2k

[@dipperspace]

It's all bullshit. it's trying to make something out of shit and sticks where it doesn't make sense. this is a problem of game design and optimization. recently I did a pre-sale test of my old GTX 1080Ti - so feel the difference - DX12 frame rate 30-40 fps and Vulcan ~70(!) fps of the same test. So - the promised transition of Star Citizen to Vulcan will make everyone happy (but it's not for sure), since the backend on the server side still has a significant impact.

[@xEscaflonex]

Makes no sense as the server FPS is 7

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Why would you bother? You can add all the frames you want to Starfield but you cant add a proper game

[@rocketmagnet427]

We're talking about Star citizen not starfield...

[@sagichdochned]

I think you just Hit the wrong Video. Also, why bother looking a STAR CITIZEN Video when u hate this Game? Or are u another Mainstream runner who jumps on everything as Long as it makes you feel Great because „everyone says SC is Scam“? Enjoy starfield then with its 100+ Planets :)

[@jamiesmusic]

You absolute demmick

[@dkindig]

Go find your butt-hurt pony-boy buddies and get them to point you to the right topics. This is discussing STAR CITIZEN.