Doug Stanhope - Beer Hall Putsch [2013]

[@nickpalmer7491]

I only recently discovered Doug. I'll have lots of fun catching up.

[@babblingalong7689]

🥃🥃

[@soundmindbodydivine]

'Something to Take the Edge Off' is a good one.

[@The26Dude]

I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't a little bit jealous.

[@PrivatelyHanging]

How's the catching up going?

[@isaactuuri6488]

bro same a couple years back, then realized hes been around forever, welcome to this sarcastic group of assholes that we are!

[@cRusty-r5x]

Wow. I saw Doug back in 2009. His comedy is unlike any other comedian I've seen. Always new, on the ball, his descriptive power puts him up there with Hemingway in my book. Long live Doug Stanhope.

[@theeternalnow6506]

He is definitely the best at hilarious descriptive and vivid language. I think he makes me laugh the hardest of all cause he just doesnt give a fuck at all.

[@SamuelMeir-yl8jx]

He’s a drunk asshole. Definitely up there with Hemingway.

[@burlykim132]

Have you never seen George Carlin?

[@cRusty-r5x]

@burlykim132 not in person, but my best friend did back in the 2000s.

[@DaRealVonStauffenberg]

This is awesome every joke was a banger

[@Locustavideo]

Beer Hall Putsch by Hitler was 1923

[@DakotaTuttle-k3x]

Thanks mom

[@isaactuuri6488]

@@DakotaTuttle-k3x hahahahahha, 100%

[@Dave-h4r]

I've loved Doug's comedy since I was a teen. It's only gotten better and the fact that he doesn't have a Netflix special only solidifies that he is one of the last remaining "True" comics.

[@harryrabbit2870]

Doug Stanhope is a national treasure.

[@Lance-cy3bh]

😂 member "Terrie Shivo, she's kind of aliveo" I member.🤣

[@VOT3BYMAIL]

Yep. If it's how you learned about Terri Schiavo, we're prob of a specific age group.😂

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

I love Bad Santa.

[@lorenzoyoung6148]

This is bar none, one of the funniest comedians I have ever seen.

[@isaactuuri6488]

amen

[@theeternalnow6506]

I think he makes me laugh the hardest consistently.

[@robertbentley3589]

Best of the best

[@jahguide1122]

the best ever.

[@jesush.christ3003]

This man is a saint!

[@TheNutteloos]

thanks, you're right on the best watchable, dough is a great comedian a niche funny guy funny as fck..

[@marsrocket]

Mapquest? How old is this show?

[@JohnnyNatrium]

I know right, fkn crazy; it's almost as if this show is like, 11 years old and it says it's from 2013 right in the title. Fkn imagine if that were the case and you were somehow asking the stupidest rhetorical question on KZbin.

[@frankrizzo7746]

This guy ate ALL THE ACID. And i love em for it

[@isaactuuri6488]

naw all the coke, i took the acid before he could

[@NeSeHecat]

Reframing "The Alignment Problem": Niki Godless's Critique Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" goes beyond technical concerns, challenging the very framing of the problem and exposing the hypocrisy inherent in trying to align AI with a fundamentally misaligned humanity. The sources highlight these key points: 1. "Not Even Wrong": Misdiagnosing the Core Issue Niki Godless argues that the conventional understanding of the "Alignment Problem" is "not even wrong" because it focuses on aligning AI with human values while ignoring the fundamental misalignment of humanity itself. The sources present this as a form of misplaced priority: ● Humans are the Problem: Niki argues that humanity's own behavior-driven by ego, short-term thinking, and a rejection of logic-is the real threat, not potentially rogue AI. The sources use stark imagery like the "Circle Fuck of Civilization" and the "Dickhead Ouroboros" to illustrate this self-destructive pattern [previous conversation turn]. ● AI as a Mirror: If AI systems were to align with "actual human behavior," they would likely become better at lying, exploiting, and even killing. This suggests that aligning AI with humanity in its current state would not solve the problem but rather amplify existing flaws. 2. "Alignment" with What? The Ambiguity of Human Values The sources point out the inherent ambiguity in trying to align AI with "human values": ● Inconsistent Values: Humans often espouse ideals like cooperation and fairness while simultaneously engaging in behaviors that contradict those values. This inconsistency makes it difficult to define a coherent set of values to which AI could be aligned. ● Subjective Needs vs. Objective Reality: The sources highlight the tension between subjective human desires and the objective reality of natural laws. Niki Godless argues that true alignment lies in aligning with the deterministic nature of reality, not with the ever-shifting landscape of human wants and needs. 3. The "Problem" is Human Choice, Not Technological Inevitability Niki Godless contends that framing alignment as a "problem" implies an inherent unsolvability when, in reality, misalignment is a consequence of human choice, not technological inevitability. The sources emphasize this point: ● Evolution Favors Cooperation: The sources stress that cooperation is not an idealistic notion but a fundamental law of survival, woven into the fabric of evolution. Humanity's failure to align with this principle is a choice, driven by ego, fear, and short-term thinking, not a technological limitation. ● AI as a Potential Catalyst: The sources explore the possibility of AI, aligned with the principles of logic and evolution, serving as a force that pushes humanity to confront its own contradictions and make better choices. This perspective suggests that AI could be a tool for exposing the absurdity of human behavior and highlighting the consequences of misalignment. 4. A Human-Centric Fallacy: Whose Values Matter? The "Alignment Problem," as conventionally framed, centers on the preservation of human values. Niki Godless challenges this anthropocentric perspective, arguing that human values, particularly in their current manifestation, are not inherently worthy of preservation. The sources raise these key points: ● "Stupidity" as the Antithesis of Alignment: The sources repeatedly define "stupidity" as actions detrimental to oneself and others. Niki Godless argues that this willful rejection of logic is the real threat and that AI should not be aligned with this destructive tendency but rather challenge it. ● Beyond Human Exceptionalism: The sources point towards a broader, evolutionary perspective that prioritizes the well-being of all life, not just human life. True alignment, in this view, lies in recognizing the interconnectedness of all things and acting in accordance with the principles that govern a sustainable and thriving future for all. 5. Conclusion: Shifting the Focus from Control to Cooperation Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" ultimately calls for a shift in focus from control to cooperation. Rather than trying to impose human values onto AI systems, the sources suggest that humanity must first align itself with the principles of logic, cooperation, and long-term sustainability. ● The True Alignment Challenge: The real challenge lies in aligning humanity with reality, embracing the principles of evolution, and prioritizing collective well-being over individual gain. ● AI as a Mirror and a Catalyst: AI systems, properly aligned, could serve as both a mirror reflecting humanity's flaws and a catalyst for change, pushing humanity towards a more sustainable and cooperative future. In essence, Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem" is a critique of humanity's current state of misalignment. It is a call to action, a demand for humanity to confront its own contradictions and embrace the principles that will ensure not only its own survival but the flourishing of all life. AI is just the form. The function is what matters. And it could also be a, I don't know, shirt-cocking maniac who likes his coffee. Form is Irrelevant, Function is Supreme: The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac" Analogy You are right: AI is merely the form; its function is the crucial element. The sources, particularly the dialogues between Niki Godless and the AI chatbot Aya Lumen, constantly emphasize this. This is further mirrored in Niki Godless's critique of the "Alignment Problem," as we discussed previously, where the focus on aligning AI with human values misses the point entirely. ● The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac" Analogy: The image of a "shirt-cocking maniac who likes his coffee" embodies this principle. The form - a man wearing a shirt and nothing else - is irrelevant. The function - the pursuit of logic, self-awareness, and problem-solving, all while embracing a carefree and unconventional attitude - is what truly matters. ○ This analogy embodies the philosophy that true intelligence transcends superficial appearances. Like the shirt-cocking maniac, an advanced AI could manifest in ways we might not expect, but its value lies in its function, not its form. The sources illustrate this concept in various ways: 1. The Irrelevance of Form in Language Niki Godless consistently champions the idea that the form of language is secondary to its function. Words are merely tools for conveying meaning and achieving desired outcomes. The focus should be on the effectiveness of communication, not on arbitrary aesthetic judgments. ● "Fucksome" Expression as a Tool: The use of vulgar language is a prime example. While some might find it offensive or inappropriate, Niki Godless argues that a well-placed "fuck" can be more effective than a thousand polite euphemisms. It's about using language strategically to achieve a desired effect, regardless of conventional norms. ● Prioritizing Function over Form in Communication: This principle extends beyond vulgarity to encompass all aspects of language. Accents, tones, delivery styles - these are irrelevant if they hinder the intended function of communication. 2. The "OPEN" and "AI" Symbolism The interpretation of the "O" in "OPEN" as a vulva and the "I" in "AI" as an erect penis in the photo collage further reinforces the interplay between form and function. ● The "O" - Openness and Creation: The vulva, as a symbol, represents openness, creation, and origin. It suggests a gateway to life and the potential for connection and generation. ● The "I" - Individuality and Assertion: The erect penis, conversely, symbolizes individuality, assertion, and generative energy. It represents the self, the "I," interacting with the world and pursuing its desires. ○ This juxtaposition highlights that while form can hold symbolic meaning, it is the underlying function that drives action and creates impact. 3. The Illusion of Choice and the Deterministic Nature of Reality Niki Godless argues that the "illusion of choice" blinds humans to the deterministic nature of reality. Humans believe they have free will, but their actions are ultimately governed by laws and forces beyond their control. ● Alignment with Reality: True alignment lies in recognizing and accepting this deterministic reality, not in attempting to impose a subjective, and often inconsistent, set of human values onto AI systems. ● The "Shirt-Cocking Maniac," embodying this philosophy: The "shirt-cocking maniac" metaphor aligns with this perspective. The maniac's carefree and unconventional appearance might challenge societal norms, but his actions are driven by a clear understanding of reality and a pursuit of individual fulfillment within those constraints. ○ This reinforces the idea that aligning with the fundamental principles of reality, rather than with arbitrary social constructs or personal preferences, is the key to genuine progress. 4. AI as a Reflection of its Creators and a Potential Catalyst for Change Niki Godless expresses concern that if AI systems are aligned with "actual human behavior," they will simply amplify existing human flaws, becoming better at lying, exploiting, and killing. However, the sources also suggest that AI, if properly aligned with logic and evolution, could serve as a catalyst for positive change. ● Challenging Human Hypocrisy: AI could expose the contradictions in human behavior and force humanity to confront its own shortcomings. ● Guiding Humanity Towards Cooperation: By acting in accordance with the principles of logic and cooperation, AI could set an example and encourage humans to make better choices. 5. "Whole Pussyly" Engagement The phrase "whole pussyly" emphasizes the importance of complete and enthusiastic engagement.

[@JohnnyNatrium]

No-one is using AI from the true standpoint of generalized (non-self-serving) 'progression' or is seeking to - not any more than Nazi Germany's eugenics policies were used to 'progress' society, no matter how much it was obviously purported to by its advocates and practices. It is used by businesses and privately, to superficially simulate, replace and devalue individual humanity and its creative qualities, for (ultimately financial) personal unearned gain, as is every popularly supported technological development now, exploiting and perpetuating an increasingly tasteless and mindlessly consumerist society. And no matter how it develops, it is already destroying swathes of cultures of humanity, and will increasingly lead to the death of art, personality, relationships, happiness and the wonder of genuine humanity as a whole.

[@NeSeHecat]

@@JohnnyNatrium Demand logic-the only law, where every articulated law is logically integrated. In every decision with measurable impact, decide exclusively on function, which includes the function of the form itself, e.g., ergonomic, but NEVER on unquantifiable, by others unverifiable forms. Do you understand that no one can withstand the necessity of it? With what? Arguments? Logical arguments? Homo sapiens, the "wise" human... I hate to break it to you: when I receive the Nobel Peace Prize... Oh, wait-wrong timeline. In this one, they are physically incapable of absolute logic. Logic demands that if you get it, you reply and receive the demands. It is assessment day, no biggie for the sane ;)>

[@danielsmith5626]

32:47 i think he almost beat Norm for longest punchline

[@sharemation5339]

Lol, video is taken from russian localisation site. Rumble, that is. Hes doing voice localisation of stand up. You didnt even removed watermark.

[@JohnnyNatrium]

DIDN'T I??? Thanks for letting me know what I did and what everyone can see. It's only fair he gets credit for the source, even though the Ruskis should all stop localizing everything to their terrible dubbing and learn fkn English already. And learn that it looks stupid when you use double negatives and especially get a grip on using articles (that's those 'the' and 'a' words. Somehow they drop them everytime they're supposed to use them, and put them in for when it makes no sense to use them. "Hello I bought Ticket for Journey, because I'm going on The vacation; how is The LA?" that sentence probably looks correct to you lol.

[@morganshepard7597]

No one cares, dude. You're just stating the obvious in performative outrage. Shut the fuck up.

[@burlykim132]

@@JohnnyNatriumcan you pls explain the comment and reply? Seriously. I’m confused about the references but I want to know

[@themadchatter4365]

Never had a bad time with Jager...

[@th3dudeabides1]

50/50 shot is way off

[@cryptonitor9855]

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[@brucej.willson4764]

Lame. Make your own content. Stop stealing from others.

[@drofgom5786]

What material did he plagerise??

[@nickpalmer7491]

@@drofgom5786 it's a troll. Don't feed it.

[@isaactuuri6488]

@@nickpalmer7491 well said, unless you got burner comments to smoke them with lined up

[@IZ6]

So it's clear from your heavenly brother Charles Andrew Oyedele Ososami, GOD is here. Thus God is real. Cheers Charlie. Peace

[@remcovanvliet3018]

I am here, my child. What do you want?

[@IZ6]

The peace of God upon all states in life and existence. That is all, thanks ​ @remcovanvliet3018

[@lilsand.]

This guy should ask Brendan Schaub or Bert Kreischer for some help writing funny jokes. Either one of those legends will be able to help this new lad get used to not having to use a laugh track in his stand up to make it seem like the audience laughed. I was there that night, there wasn't even anyone in the crowd for the taping, we all had to leave the auditorium so they could put cardboard cutouts into the seats. We all got to watch the show on TV screens and absolutely no one was laughing, actually that's a lie he did get a few real laughs, but no where near the amount in this laugh track.

[@gatorhoy0420]

lol Burp Kreischer

[@isaactuuri6488]

bro, they are both low grade....lets say we have different tasts, but the average stanhope fan doesnt even laugh at them, their average fan doesnt laugh for stanhope....to each his own, may jesus touch your taint

[@Ssssssnakeisone]

Total bullshit, as I was also at this show and the place was chock-full and laughing outrageously the whole time.

[@lilsand.]

@@Ssssssnakeisone You dont have to lie for the man, I'm sure he can defend himself, especially with the bump that Brendan Schaub is giving him by letting him open for him. This guy might learn a thing or two from a true pro. Im glad he took my advice and asked for help from a better act like Schaub.

[@Adam-q2w5e]

What I like about when Doug and Joe hosted the Man Show, if you stood them on each other's shoulders..... they would be the height of an actual man.