Doug Wilson Doubles Down on Heresy

@ctvtmo Жыл бұрын

"Living faith" is used in the . . . Westminster Confession, 16.2. Canons of Dort, 1.1.4,16. Six times in the Lutheran Book of Concord. And dozens of times in Calvin's works.

@johngordon2518 Жыл бұрын

This deserves a response.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

Not in the areas speaking of how a man is justified.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@rprestarri 4 ай бұрын

@@stegokitty Yes. Does that follow that we are justified by faith + works as the heretics demand. Absolutly not. We are justified by faith alone... That is, we are justifed by faith, without a view to works at all!!!! From this justified state, which happens immediatly upon our belief in Christ, and reception of Him, we then walk in obedience. This is distinct from our justification (being declared righteous before God), as it is properly denominated sanctification.

@rprestarri 4 ай бұрын

@@johngordon2518 Also, I gave the response. Read it carefully, your soul depends upon it. And error in the doctrine of justification will overthough the whole truth of God's holy word.

@jonathantatum8437 Жыл бұрын

"I wish the reader to understand that as often as we mention Faith alone in this question, we are not thinking of a dead faith, which worketh not by love, but holding faith to be the only cause of justification. (Galatians 5:6; Romans 3:22.) It is therefore faith alone which justifies, and yet the faith which justifies is not alone: just as it is the heat alone of the sun which warms the earth, and yet in the sun it is not alone, because it is constantly conjoined with light." John Calvin, 1547

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@michaeledwards7429 9 ай бұрын

Hey brother, new to your channel. I’ve watch a few vids and basically am on with 90% of what you say. But I believe you’re wrong here on Doug’s use of “living faith”. And Luther, Calvin and Sproul wouldn’t agree with you either. During the Reformation Luther was answering the question of “what kind of faith saves?” “Justification is by faith alone but not by faith that is alone.” (Now quoting Sproul: “ the only kind of faith that saves is what Luther called a fides viva- a living faith, a vital faith, a faith that issues forth in works as the fruit of faith.” (Defending your Faith pg22) I think Doug is incorrect on several things but to call him a heretic for using verbiage that the 16th century and contemporary Reformed people use is error. Hope this finds you well. God bless and keep up the good work brother.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@rprestarri 4 ай бұрын

@@stegokitty Yes I am pasting. I went through much time and effort to write out a well orbed response to Doug Wilsons damnable heresies and I intend on sending them to as many people who are confused upon his teachings. Careful calling someone a slanderer... "Measure what thou wilt have measure back unto you". Can you live up to your own standard? or have you slandered me by your own judgement of my character as such. I hold to the westminster confession in its entirety. If youve read it, you would know that it certainly teaches the neccesity of good works. Doug Wilson does not belive the Westminster Confession in entirety, as you can tell he has been rejected from his pastoral post, has started his own denomination, and his "federal vision" beliefs have been condemned as heresy by nearly every Reformed Presbytery. Do your homework.

@michaellautermilch9185 Жыл бұрын

I don't think you made a strong biblical case in this video. Are there any Bible verses which contradict what Doug said? That verse in James, and Titus 1:15-16, seem to support what Doug said.

@michaellautermilch9185 Жыл бұрын

If I understand correctly, Doug is saying good works are present during and after the moment of salvation. You are correcting him by removing the word "during". Hoping I paraphrased the issue correctly... if so then you two are saying basically the same thing. This is because salvation can happen in an instant but works take more than an instant in time. God can work instantaneously but we are limited by time.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@rprestarri 4 ай бұрын

@@stegokitty I respectfully, yet emphatically, disagree. Douge Wilson, in his examination, and eventual removal from the PCA, when asked, "Is the ground of our justification faith, or the fruits of faith", answered, "Yes", upon the laughter of his fellow seated members. I advise you to read more material on Doug Wilsons heresies.

@rprestarri 4 ай бұрын

@@stegokitty I admire your reverance for the true gospel of Christ. In that we are brothers. I will take your charge heartily, as I see it coming from a place of true zeal in the Lord. Sadly, Wilson is not brother of ours, but rather a heretic. John Piper included.

@brandonl.underwood6264 Жыл бұрын

Hi Dean, I've been trying to discern exactly how DW is supposed to be a heretic (as someone relatively new to reformed theology), and I appreciate this video pointing to a more specific issue. However, I'm still not convinced that he's doing what you say he's doing. It seems to me that the difference between "faith" and "living faith" is a distinction without a difference. For example, you bring up the thief on the cross - an example I come to often as a reminder of the hope we have in Christ. Not long before the famous exchange between him and Christ, he's cursing him, and then something happens inside of him, he has a change of heart, recognizes his sin, rebukes the other thief, and asks humbly for Christ to remember him in His kingdom. While, yes, he was never baptized, and never attended a church or did any other "good works" in the sense some might think, it seems to me the very act in that moment of acknowledgement to Christ was a direct result of not just his regeneration, but the beginnings of sanctification. And I think DW's point is that living faith goes beyond mere mental ascent or knowing of facts, but it began a good work in him to even begin turning his affection toward the Savior. Not sure if that all makes sense, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Full disclosure - yes, I do listen to DW along with a lot of other reformed guys who run in his circles, but if he is truly heretical, I want to understand, know, and rebuke that with the true Gospel.

@cbrowncb35gmail Жыл бұрын

I was also going to point to the thief on the cross clearly performing those same good works.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@thruthechurch 8 ай бұрын

If one's faith is saving faith, it will be known by a faith that is active. Abraham believed God (that God would fulfill His promise to him), and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. We believe God (that God will fulfill His promise to us of forgiveness and eternal life through the finished work of Christ alone), and it is accounted unto us as righteousness.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@kaylenerasmussen460 12 күн бұрын

Faith is alone in justification. Works are not part of faith, works are the fruit of faith.

@xReMi13x Жыл бұрын

i think we need to define works. what do we consider a work is? would confession of faith be a work?

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@onehatmedia Жыл бұрын

How is it heresy when DW clarifies that the faith which God gives in justification is only the "living" kind? James makes clear that there are two kinds of faith: living and dead (Jas 2.17), and Doug is saying that the only kind which justifies is the living kind. Sounds biblical to me, and I think the Westminster divines would agree.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@onehatmedia 8 ай бұрын

@@rprestarri Are you saying that a dead faith can justify?

@junusavior65 15 күн бұрын

Where does James say that you need a "living" faith in order to receive God's righteousness?

@onehatmedia 15 күн бұрын

@@junusavior65 "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? … Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." (James 2.14, 17) A dead faith cannot save. Or put another way, the kind of faith that saves is a living faith; one that works.

@junusavior65 15 күн бұрын

@@onehatmedia Right, this is the traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of this passage. This is how they argue the doctrine of infusion rather than imputation. That's why Wilson is called a heretic. He isn't arguing for imputation he is arguing for infusion but calls it imputation to deceive people. The Reformed interpretation is that James is speaking from a human perspective; Abraham was called "a friend of God," by whom? By us, we call him a friend of God because of what we heard he did. He was already justified by God earlier apart from his works and by faith alone(Jas 2: 23), otherwise God is a liar and he didn't actually impute righteousness to him until he offered up Isaac. His works were a fruit, not a ground for the justification. Otherwise we have problems with explaining the thief on the cross, he had no time for works before he died, his faith was "dead" by James' account. Also James says show "me" and show "you." His entire argument is that it is by our profession AND our walk that we can be called Christians *by others*, not simply profession alone. This is how the church makes judgments upon believers. Wilson can disagree with this position but then he shouldn't pretend to still be Reformed. The Westminster confession chapter 11 says that justification is "not by infusing righteousness into them" and that the pardoning of sin isn't given for "anything wrought in them, or done by them,.....nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness."

@tracywillis2577 21 күн бұрын

Consider the Ordo Salutis Reformed: (Election, Gospel Call, Regeneration, Conversion, Justification, Adoption, Sanctification, Perseverance, Glorification). "Living Faith" seems to be implied after Conversion. He also cleary states "living faith" is a gift from God. Therefore, "living faith" is a faith that saves & obeys. The works are after conversion.

@gnomeache2926 2 ай бұрын

If James were on the internet now, you would clearly condemn his teaching.

@nickfain4039 Жыл бұрын

dude..James literally says "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:14) Whats the opposite of dead? Alive, or living. I believe that there needs to be a clarity on what the evidence of faith (biblical faith) is. I would encourage you to read "What is saving Faith?" by John Piper. Its a fantastic unpacking of this. Just Believing in Jesus in not saving Faith. "Even the Demons believe and tremble." (James 2:19) Galatians 5:6 says the only thing that counts is "Faith working through love." Is Paul adding to Faith?? Absolutley not, hes explaining what true faith in Jesus looks like. Doug is doing the same here. You can disagree with him on other doctrines (Im not a postmill guy) but this seems like a very big stretch lol Also It seems you have a misunderstanding of Sanctification and Justification. I would encourage you to read "Saved by Grace" by Anthony Hoekema. Paul after literally acusing the church of Corinth of sexual sin in (1 Cor 5) says in chapter 6:11 "You were sanctified.." Paul clearly must be misunderstanding something. Hes not man. Sanctification is not only a life process, but its also a position of standing that we are brought into by God. This word means "to be set apart." Just like the instruments used in the tabernacle in the old testament. So yes, we are set apart when we are justified, and we also are called to continue to put to death the deeds of the flesh till we die.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@arneherstad2198 3 ай бұрын

On another note, we need to understand James in view of what he says in 1:18; "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures." So it's all of God, and nothing vital is entrusted to Man. "For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) I've seen a few clips on this DW issue, and so far this one is the most concise.

@TableTalkTheology 5 ай бұрын

The thief on the cross does exhibit works. The thief, that would see Jesus in Paradise, insulted Jesus in Mark 15. Later in Luke 23, the same thief rebukes the other thief for mocking Jesus and then asks Jesus to remember him as Jesus enters His kingdom. Faith is never by itself...hence the command to REPENT and believe (faith). But even these are from God and do not originate in man (John 15:16), but Christians are chosen and appointed to bear fruit and that the fruit would abide. God brings about both justification and sanctification. Real, living faith produces good fruit. I would even argue that Faith produces repentance almost immediately (and maybe even other works like in the book of Acts, rejoicing in and praising the Lord).

@javieralvaradog 4 ай бұрын

6:54 "Look at thief of the cross" that argument has been used a lot... Jesus: then i will tell those in my left "depart from me evildoers for i was sick and you...." wait, wait Jesus, the thief in the cross never did those things.

@toddstevens9667 Жыл бұрын

Doug Wilson has lots of issues. This is just one, but an important one. And it is clear that Doug is mixing justification and sanctification. And he is using his language skills and complicated verbiage to camouflage his point. Of course our faith must be living in the sense that we are actively trusting in the finished work of Christ. But Doug seems to be defining living faith as acts of obedience. And as Dean explained, our acts of obedience are not the cause of our justification. Acts of obedience are a consequence of our faith in Jesus (The just shall live by faith) and come after the “punctilliar” moment of salvation, not before. Dean is not suggesting that a living faith (or active faith) isn’t important or even necessary as an instrument of sanctification, but that we must be clear that righteous acts of obedience to Jesus do not in any way contribute to our justification. And I agree that the historic reformed faith would make that same important distinction between justification and sanctification. Thanks for this enlightening video Dean.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

EXCACTLYYYYYY.......

@toddstevens9667 4 ай бұрын

@@stegokittyHave you read his writings on Federal Vision? Start there

@user-js8pg4fu8f Ай бұрын

using the thief on the cross as an example of "easy" (your words) justification is not a good illustration . Who do we know today that can relate to that situation? And, by the way being nailed to a cross is not easy! Surely, it could cause even the 'hardened" sinner to repent. But, there are lots of people today who believe "living faith'" demands obedience. I think audience relevance is under considered...James was likely referring to Jewish believers trying to separate themselves from circumcision, etc. ("To the twelve tribes dispersed abroad"). For me, living faith is daily faith...not faith last year but "living"

@donnaoscolaighlange 9 ай бұрын

How is it even physically possible to add on a work at the moment of conversion? Would that be slipping up your hand or walking down the aisle??

@Daacks11 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! I knew something was off with his statement but couldn’t put my finger on it. This is super helpful!

@Daacks11 4 ай бұрын

In the year since this was uploaded, I have learned a LOT more about DW as a whole - directly from his mouth and blogs. May I recommend Holiness by JC Ryle to you?

@reformational Жыл бұрын

@Dean Lentini 'forensic' is what relates to legality or (courts of) law. Anyway, well done.

@sirecomtech Жыл бұрын

You so explained theology very well, for those in the fences and the one who are trying to understand the Bible. Thank you for what you do. 💥Keep up the good work. God still in the throne. 🙌🏻

@jonxjuj Жыл бұрын

Well done

@thaos3228 Жыл бұрын

Great video.

@havasmama05 Жыл бұрын

Faith = Salvation + Works D Wilson, J White, and J Durbin all have huge doctrinal issues, and they need to stop teaching.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!!!

@joshirwin5245 3 ай бұрын

Never once have J White or J Durbin said this about faith.

@havasmama05 3 ай бұрын

@joshirwin5245 exactly my point. To clarify, my entire equation is noncommutative; this is the correct order. Unfortunately, certain denominations/people want to mix it up (or remove) elements, and that's where the problem lies. It's not Faith + Works = Salvation, nor is it Faith = Salvation (alone). True Faith brings about salvation from God's wrath that is on us due to our sin, and leads us into good works in Christ, by His Spirit, that God has prepared for us.

@joshirwin5245 3 ай бұрын

@@havasmama05 My bad, I read your equation wrong. I would think that both J White and Durbin would agree that true faith brings about good works.

@joshirwin5245 3 ай бұрын

@@havasmama05 I'm not sure what it even means to state faith = salvation. An "=" sign implies equivalency or congruence> So, to use it here isn't really all that accurate or helpful. Both Durbin and White would agree that Salvation is by Grace through faith alone. Your equation doesn't account for grace.

@jamesweist8599 3 ай бұрын

a friend sent me , Doug did it .

@michellecheriekjv4115 4 ай бұрын

I've tried watching him...but something always felt off.... good to know some of whats fishy ...

@dakotaclark733 8 ай бұрын

The only time the Bible uses the term “faith alone” is to deny that we are saved by “faith alone” James 2. James says that’s dead faith. The opposite of that would be “living faith”.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

A living faith, is a faith that works, or a working faith. So to say we are justified by a living faith, is to say we are justified by a working faith, or as the Roman Catholics say, "A faith that works by love." This would defeat the entire purpose of saying we are justified by faith alone. Not a living faith. Faith = Trust, Resting, Receiving This faith, once the person is justified, will inevitably work. This is to say, that we are justified, or declared righteous, not guilty, before God, by faith, or resting and receiving the righteousness of Christ alone. This faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ, does then, and only then, once already justified, begin to work. What Doug Wilson is doing, very slickly, is adding a living faith into the formula of justification, when it belongs in sanctification. By saying we are JUSTIFIED by a living faith, this means you get into heaven, or past the judgement by a working faith. So now, it is justification by faith and works, or more accurately of what Doug believes, faith alone, but faith redefined as faithfulness, or works. Doug doesn't believe there is a distinction between faith and works. He says faith is faithfulness. There are other resources out there that spell out Doug views more clearly, because Doug will never do it himself. He is very slippery that way.

@dakotaclark733 8 ай бұрын

@@rprestarri let’s start with some history Luther, the og Protestant wanted to throw out the book of James. James 2 is very hard to get away from. With that said I hold to 2 justifications 1 in life and 1 on the judgment of the last day. Abraham is the subject Paul uses in Romans. James also uses Abraham but later in life. We have 2 apostles using the same word at different points in the same individual’s life. Our initial justification is by grace through faith. After that we make our election and calling sure. It’s of God all the way, to deny this is to deny the role in justification throughout the life of the believer. Paul: “I worked harder than all the apostles, but not my but the grace of God in me”. Even our works are not our own. Catholics would say that. I can do nothing unless God gives me the grace to do it. The way most reformed people articulate justification is Gnostic, and they basically act like God strikes them with a grace lightning bolt from heaven. This is not generally how it works God uses means. Family, friends, social media, books etc.

@dakotaclark733 8 ай бұрын

I’ll add to this no status is changed on the last day with final justification. It’s the confirmation of your election.

@scopeway 7 ай бұрын

James 2:24 doesn't contradict salvation by faith alone; instead, it underscores the link between faith and works as a demonstration of genuine faith. The interpretation of "justified" in James is seen as signifying "being demonstrated and proved," in contrast to the legal declaration of righteousness found in Paul's writings. This perspective emphasizes that the works mentioned in James serve as a visible manifestation of authentic faith, supporting the notion that salvation is by faith alone.

@LampWaters Жыл бұрын

Split tounge. Issues are theirs this camp thats redefined faith, so sounds nice linguistically but are implying 2 different definitions, one is faith as we know and understand it to be defined and the other is a new version redefined by Doug and friends. Its a trick if words by doug and his fellow following padtors to redefine faith and then use the word to confuse ppeople and use it to make their argument fit. Without them changing definitions their arguments fall flat. The confessions doug signed r refuted as having error and unbiblical. By multiple assemblies.

@rprestarri 8 ай бұрын

Exactly. The distinctions, especially in the area of Justification can make or break a soul. literally.