Douglas Murray and Roger Scruton on the future of Conservatism

Douglas Murray: In conversation with Roger Scruton
Hosted by Spectator Events, originally published by OldQueenTV
What does it mean to be a conservative? Join The Spectator as we bring together two of the sharpest - and controversial - minds in Britain.

[@m0neyplant]

A great man died today, a guardian of civilisation, a champion of conservatism, a true gentleman. RIP, Roger Scruton.

[@plekkchand]

@Emyr Humphreys Thanks for your profound contribution.

[@actionflower6706]

Amen.

[@stephenvince9994]

Yes...we lost a giant...

[@antoniahowarth-wass5001]

Many thanks Sir Roger Scruton

[@LS-td3no]

How about, a champion of great beauty, art, literature, and wisdom that the Anglo culture/civilization has given to the world? Our ancestors kept struggling, building upon past successes, insights, knowledge, and gifts given to us. By far never perfect, and flawed as humans, and life are, but true, the good is worth honouring, and preserving.

[@gerardmulder7656]

Roger will speak no more, His memory is preserved here. Such a good place to come back to “hesitate!”

[@extendedclips]

🙏🏽

[@soniavadnjal7553]

He speaks through his writings.

[@gerardmulder7656]

Yes, writing is wonderful but this document is much more approachable especially for people that are new to the things he has to share.

[@angusmcangus7914]

There is a huge Scruton-shaped hole in the life of our nation. At least we have all his books. RIP, Sir, and well played.

[@prepperjonpnw6482]

Well played indeed. It’s because of him that I learned how to articulate my conservative beliefs and how they are rather different than what the current conservative party espouses. RIP Sir Roger

[@timcarpenter2441]

His books? There are those who wish to deny you and all others that, too.

[@TTFN55]

However, he did bequeath us Douglas Murray. RIP dear Roger and many, many thanks for leaving us with your gentle humor, wisdom, knowledge and generosity.

[@clintweathers4755]

You just had to leave us, man. At a time when we need guys like you the most.

[@InterstellarRanger]

Yeah I was thinking the same.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

No, he deserved a departure before what will follow & he has imparted to us a wealth of useful treasure.

[@dlythgoe5404]

I'm so sorry that he died a short time ago . What an absolute gem this man was

[@SM-pv4sn]

He left behind a wealth of knowledge with his many published books, I plan on picking up a couple this year.

[@Salipenter1]

RIP Sir Roger.

[@birchwilliams2587]

If Douglas Murray was the last person left on earth... I could never be bored. ❤️

[@tellyhow6281]

Together with Sir Roger Scruton's memory!

[@russells.soehnerii8308]

“There is no way in which a chanted slogan invites an answer.” Sir Roger Scruton

[@tearsinrain8002]

I feel very lucky that Sir Roger was in the world and that we've been able to capture his wisdom. God Speed Sir Roger Scruton.

[@magomarc1]

Roger Scruton is what our post-modernist and marxist society needs. He speaks in such deeph what is in most people hearts. The meaning of community, trust and respect for the tradition. Greetings from Brazil.

[@woodsmen9844]

RIP Sir Roger! One of my favourite Conservative thinkers of our time. We are poorer for his passing.

[@tellyhow6281]

And richer with his legacy and soul.

[@LS-td3no]

Two English gentlemen speaking good English. Yes, as an American I luuuv listening to their English accents, and the way they speak. I have been watching Murray, and Scruton for a few years now. No one I know, knows who the heck these guys are. In my attempt to spread what I think are important perspectives around, I gave Scrutons name to an Architecture student, and suggested he watch, "Why Beauty Matters." 'Ripple the world' as they say. I can only pray my few good little ripples will somehow matter.

[@LS-td3no]

On identity politics: "Resentment is so much easier than love."

[@DariaRock1]

We have Gender Studies at University of Vienna. Political indoctrination is right. If I will remember despite what I am going through neurologically I could tell so many stories. It is hard being a conservative and a Christian in this age.

[@dedosdigital]

Wilhelm Reich , father of Sex Revolution , was there , and if memory serves me right , in 1913 , Trotsky , Stalin , Freud , Hitler , and Tito all lived in Vienna within walking distance of each other . Think of what those men launched ... thank God , evil is not omnipotent

[@DariaRock1]

@@dedosdigital true. I have a love-hate relationship with Vienna. please keep me in your prayers; this year was extreme for me healthwise. I hope you are well in these times. I should travel away somehow I fear. I studied philosophy starting age 18 at University of Vienna, also Christian philosophy with Günther Pöltner, but could only make my BAphil because of my health (Lyme disease! , severe episodes since 2016- and Lyme is common in Austria; Hitler and Stalin were surely surely syphilitics - which is cousin to Lyme), also many big ups and downs and strange happenings . I am sad now that I did not travel to Oxford after making my A levels in Vienna /AT; was a gifted student (I am native Ukrainian woman/girl; parents are opera singers); now 32; somehow hoping for a miracle to heal and travel away to find a husband and real Christian people.

[@LS-td3no]

@@DariaRock1 Thanks for sharing a bit of your story. I know someone who suffers from Lyme, and intensely searched to find specific testing, and some 'alternative' doctors who specialize in this. Wondering if you know of Dennis Prager? (U.S.). You can listen to him on online radio. He is a religious Jew that supports conservative values, marriage, family, and religion. He does quite a good show, and sometimes has relationship topics. He let's people know every day how much he hates leftism. : ) I suspect he would tell you to start 'shopping' around for that husband. Online, and everywhere until you find the right conservative, Christian guy. Vienna is also where the most concentration of spies like to roam around, and congregate. What a happening place!

[@dedosdigital]

@@DariaRock1 May the Holy Spirit keep you save and be with you . It is clear that there is a spiritual war going on in the world ... it has always been but now is a special time . . I did not have a sickness that doctors could find . But had severe pains , and getting worse . I could not sleep for pain . Sometimes IZ could not walk . I chanced to find an article about pathogen attenuation by electric pulse ( Doctors.William Lyman and Steven Kaali, , Albert Einstein Medical College in Brooklyn New York ) , and then I found the ' Bob Beck Protocol ' . I thought the claims were too good to be true , but decided to test on myself , and I purchased a device called Silver Pulser from SOTA company in Canada , and used the protocol . . ( I used only two parts ; Blood electrification and Silver Colloid ) , also I drank two liters of spring water every day . On the third day I felt awful , and my body smelled bad . On the fourth day some improvement , but on the fifth day all pains gone and I had tremendous energy . I also had problems with my teeth and those problems stopped too . Perhaps it is something you could investigate . In any case it is harmless . I think if you discuss with a doctor , you will be told , this is all garbage .. But for me it was not garbage . May you be well and may God be with us all . .

[@DariaRock1]

@@dedosdigital thank you from my heart and prayers for you too; may God be with us all always. Yes, I am struggling a lot spiritually during these times; also pain, etc etc , I happen to have used colloidal silver as well and would like to use it further as antibiotics are too hard on me already for my confirmed Lyme. It is a war at humanity and I try to be strong, but I have cried a lot over the last years, why me , woman, big dreams , always studied hard... why? . We have to endure until the end and good shall win !!! Thank you so much. Daria Kokozej (you can contact me, I have a webpage as well, but about Freddie Mercury ); now I hope to find a way out of my situation and how to go on. reading the Bible also a lot; doing spiritual warfare....

[@angusdesire]

We lost a true genius on Sunday, a man who spoke for common sense. May God be with you now Roger, with love from a Scot in Bulgaria.

[@catherineoconnell3213]

👍🏻@440 RIP Roger Scruton Spoke eloquently on preserving & protecting ones traditions in ones homeland.......true real noble English gentleman......God Speed.☘

[@yl5772]

As of today January 2020 only 11k views! If you care about humanity this is the lecture you can’t miss

[@yassinemotaouakkil3530]

RIP Sir Roger, may we all live as you have lived, in a forthright and brave manner.

[@stevenleejobe]

Both of these men are heroes. So lovely and inspiring that they were friends, and that Douglas will now help to continue and celebrate the legacy of Roger.

[@steviemac42]

Yes Steven, that is a good post as we now say.

[@gregoryforde7447]

Indeed Sir

[@twosocks8088]

I had only recently got to know his work and thank goodness for that. God bless you sir.

[@motorcop505]

Thank you Sir Roger. We will miss you deeply. 🇺🇸

[@stevenjohnston2263]

What a top bloke he was.

[@hanzketchup859]

Cheers Gentlemen , Britain is a very unique Nation , one thing Britain can be profoundly proud of is evolving a form of society that defeats tyranny , that’s worth conserving ! The invention of every man is under the Law , and every man enjoys exactly the same rights is very liberating . The ‘Rights of the Englishman’ was adopted by the USA and ultimately the World , today touted as ‘human rights’ .obviously the Englishman got it Right ! Carry on Men , hold fast and sail on ,

[@nicholasfraser6332]

Sir Roger Scruton and Douglas Murray: two of the most beautiful and consoling ideas the universe has ever come up with.

[@juleseight2513]

Thank you for your legacy Roger, God bless.

[@robertlitsenberger9527]

RIP sir. Thank you for your contributions.

[@awarwick]

What a wonderful Gentleman & thinker. You will be missed Sir Roger!

[@DariaRock1]

Beautiful. We have to keep the light burning.

[@LS-td3no]

@DariaRock...Yes. Simply put and true. My favorite subject of what Scruton speaks about is beauty. My favorite video of his is, "Why beauty matters." If we would think of beauty, value beauty and require that again before building anything, I would consider that great progress for our civilization. (Citizen here of the U.S.A.).

[@DariaRock1]

@@LS-td3no truth... kindest greetings from Austria... also love the documenary ("Why beauty matters")...

[@mihaicojocaru7744]

A giant of Western thought and civilization has left us. Thank you for your beautiful legacy, Sir!

[@mewtew8006]

Rest in peace, Sir Roger Scruton

[@rudymatheson1415]

Rest in Peace, Sir Roger Scruton.

[@MyRealName148]

I truly missed gentleman. Funny, witty and incredibly wise. I strive to be more like sir roger as we all should.

[@gavinfoley103]

Maybe the best Q&A I've ever heard. There is no one like Roger Scruton in Ireland, and all too few in Britain. I will miss hearing from you, Roger.

[@gabrielbarrenarodriguez8553]

R.I.P. - Thanks for all your work and wisdom.

[@richardamos3173]

So sad Sir Roger is not with us anymore. Such a wonderful mind. RIP

[@voidscreaming1012]

Your works will live on through us. Thank you for all your effort.

[@shane6326]

While so many great men and women leave their mark behind… so many from such varied fields like sports and invention and the study of Space and time and science and anthropology and so on and on the list goes on…. all these individuals reached they pinnacle only because they had a strong mind and were able to clearly process their thoughts with rationale and a focus to achieve something of substance and meaning for mankind! And now to realise that Sir Roger Scruton was Prime thinker and philosopher and an altruist is absolutely humbling! The treasure that he has left behind for us to share from is unfathomable! Brilliant mind and a wonderful human being who will be missed dearly 👍

[@erpollock]

Every word Scruton says is golden. Thank goodness we have these videos to preserve his brilliance and his pure spirit.

[@MrDoogied1975]

I am saddened that it took news of your passing for me to finally find you Roger, R.I.P

[@tommaley530]

what a great man, RIP Sir Roger

[@crackmastergeneral]

Great combination, can't wait to watch in full tonight.

[@Elerad]

Rest in peace, Roger. You were one of the all-time greats.

[@gerardmulder7656]

Would you say he is the GOAT?

[@reginafrants2858]

Sir Roger! You left this world for us to carry your thoughts and wisdom. Forever grateful

[@DariaRock1]

Culture, literature.... I hope they are not dying out. As in idiocracy, the movie, degradation .... Sad world when true bright intellectuals are persecuted and made ill and laughed upon.

[@mihaicojocaru7744]

There is meaning in life, there is meaning in death, too. Since Sir Roger Scruton's recent passing, the number of views on his official KZbin chanel more than tripled. As a true creator, he will be survived by his work, and this is going to reach ever more people.

[@nicholasfraser6332]

God bless you and your optimism, dear man. Let's hope you are right in your prediction.

[@tellyhow6281]

A gem and a lighthouse to guide us to port.

[@carolwolf9614]

RIP Sir Roger Scruton. You beautiful human being. Thank you for everything you have done. Thank you for your true love of humanity. I am so glad I had the privilege to be at this event.

[@wakeupuk3860]

Both gentle, caring, non vindictive and incredibly intelligent people who in every way are shining examples to counter the madness of the 'evil' called Woke and PC we are now very much in fear of turning our country and other western countries into 1984 nightmare. What gives me hope that in many way both Roger and Douglas talk and act as Ghandi did and I expect they both would agree with my favourite quote from Ghandi "Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they seemed invincible, but in the end they always fall. Always." It is the that hope, as we saw with Hitler, Stalin, PoiPot and similar that eventually goodness, decency, fairness and respect for other's views always wins. Roger in his way referred to that we are like the Christians secretly hidden in the catacombs of Rome with just one light between us, Roger Scruton a great man sadly missed. Douglas and as the lovie Laurance Fox (who has broken ranks with his fellow actors) don't talking or stop producing books like the Death of Europe and the Madness of Crowds, because there are 'millions' of us who need champions like you to stand up to what is happening, enable us and encourage to be brave, speak up and put 'The bitch that bore the beast’s on heat again' - Bertolt Brecht back in it's box again.

[@onetwo6064]

Roger Scruton an enlightened gentleman.

[@julienmonier4954]

I am French and yet I enjoy so much listenning to their English

[@dixonpinfold2582]

_Formidable._

[@ronyeahwiggie729]

Such an insightful dialogue. One I thoroughly enjoyed. Sir Roger will be sorely missed for sure and I certainly do hope we will see people like Douglas continue to do their work, to be a voice of reason and to educate and inspire us, in a spirit Sir Roger would smile upon.

[@brianbob7514]

I love and appreciate these men

[@Hereward47]

A wonderful discussion between two quite brilliant men. I implore our agitated left leaning fellow citizens to watch this, and allow the multitude of rational well thought out ideas to wash all that anger away.

[@richardfairley9882]

Simply superb! If only this could be shown to every secondary school pupil ie. prior to university indoctrination. Prophets both!

[@lynnhauenstein4136]

I'm re watching this 3rd or 4th time..in 5y, I'm from US. But enjoy listen to these honest Brits talk. RIP, Sir Scruton..I learned much from you, this talk and many others.

[@AK-ne4og]

A giant gentle mind...you made a huge difference in this world, in my world. RIP Sir. You are in the arms of the lord deserving the calm music and the beauty you always deserved. We will try to keep your memory and teaching alive.

[@jfwestby149]

Dear Roger, I never met you but I know I will. Christ was the perfect sacrifice and knowing that you knew that means I will shake your hand in heaven someday! Thank you for your life here!

[@kyarimaresuki]

I discovered Roger Scruton only around 2 years ago but really started appreciating what he had to say more recently. Then he was gone. And just when we need him the most! But he'll always be here, some of us will put his ideas to work through our lives, around the world.

[@ceecee6679]

Circa 1990s, I baffled my political science prof when I asked him to define 'liberal'. He was a lovely, thoughtful man not dissimilar to Sir Roger.

[@antonygdouglas3935]

It's like eavesdropping on a wonderful pub conversation , my twist .

[@roughdraught153]

Roger Scruton was a national treasure. I wonder if there is anyone of his ilk still alive in England?

[@mykillmielia5640]

I really appreciate Sean Gabb but he is probably simply not of the same calibre.

Yes , Peter Hitchens

[@roughdraught153]

@ I like Peter but he's so damn pessimistic.

[@davemartino5997]

Many in America are aware of him

[@kaufmanat1]

The default position in this world is Orthodoxy. Around 35 minute mark. Very insightful

[@srinjansaha2480]

Wonderful. RIP Sir Roger.

[@wodzynskiliam5696]

Douglas murrey is quality.

[@kevb1249]

A lot of people are horrified by the current tawdry version of conservatism dominated low grade career politicians and slogans which Roger so eloquently defines. A joy to share time with these two.

[@FauxtakuLounge]

Excellent talk.

[@directedby100]

Bravo! It IS encouraging seeing such a positive response to an evening meeting that embraces ideas (instead of slogans), conservatism, antidotes to wokism, with a nice balance hit between the past cultural treasures & future means of celebrating those, and also a balance between looking critically at left vs. right, at Europe vs. the nation, and also at what the 'university' might become. This is a dismal period in America largely b/c of how dominant the Left is there now (the Democrats & the media), and frankly at how lawless and corrupt the Left is becoming. Excellent discussion.

[@branch1534]

RIP Sir Roger, God bless you.

[@josenascimento4101]

Very good!

[@bryanlyons6128]

What a beautiful sight... two very intelligent n brilliant speakers. Thank you Douglass..

[@vkorchnoifan]

I saw a photo online of a middle age woman sitting on a busy sidewalk. She was holding a sign that said, "Feed me and I will vote for you". God Bless Roger Scruton.

[@divad2332]

I first saw him speak in a debate on religion with Christopher Hitchens on the other side. I was blinded by Hitchens and ignored Roger. I was so wrong. He is also a legend.

[@theproblemwithbeingawake]

I like the fact you mention attention span. They say on things like KZbin it’s 1.5 minutes as a maximum. Being an older person and a conservative I like to listen to the whole conversation. It must be very stressful to be frantically listening for 1.5 minutes to things, and then finding the next thing to listen to. That’s probably why the woke era Is malcontented because they don’t listen, they just want the bullet points.

[@Br1an.J]

It is a tragic ploy of Silicon Valley and side effect of the schizophrenic fervor of doom scrolling, the next few generations will be sterile creatively

[@gregoryforde7447]

Definition of Love~ Firstly, it's a Choice or Decision Accompanied by emotion, which means it's not led nor void of emotion. That leads to action on behalf of it's object.

[@josephbrabander9124]

How fortunate to have recorded this before his passing.

[@edcottingham1]

I agree with the appreciations of Roger Scruton and the regrets at his loss. But we do have a Douglass Murray.

[@mmmmmark9751]

Amazing how well he looks...........he must have been very ill at this time. Vale Roger.

[@carefreedelight2355]

It’s a serious pity that debating ideas, and how to think is only taught in public schools.

[@TheTigersbay]

R.I.P Roger Scruton. God bless

[@TTFN55]

"Wave meaningfully," instructed Douglas.

A loss which will be felt for a long time to come, a voice of Reason in a world of woke snowflakes.

[@Rosecomments]

The people found a scapegoat during the Great fire of London.1666 Am I the only one that’s thinks and says,” we are going into a Dark Ages”?

[@BJoinedBReality]

Restam in pace ❤️🙏🏾

[@leshtricity]

Scruton was an absolute legend

[@danielw5850]

Sir Roger has gone ahead, to that great Fox-hunting country in the sky (thrilled that he was a Hunting Man)!

[@dontpanic1812]

34:00 Real meaning being in our relationship with others: Sir Roger on harmlessness and the self-conscious advertisement of it, the relationship between the "I and You" being corrupted: "Opposition isn't a negative thing, it's the positive thing from which understanding grows" is a balm, focusing precisely upon the element that's been missing in our attitudes toward one another: respect. Funny, but the idea has the inconvenient truth of validating the opposition narcissists engage in as much as it does ours; understanding between us could not occur, did they not also adopt a position. Could be the intent of all opposition, of every position, is a narcissistic one, that to reach for understanding not only requires a bit of it, but also a little humility. (Edit: Misheard "opposition" as "a position," corrected for the error)

[@guywillson1549]

As an economic contribution, the Conservatives could be creative in restoring local banking and financing.

[@onetwo6064]

RIP Roger

[@jimhendrickson5553]

An active conservative mode for addressing ideological hesitation might be "procrastinate today".

[@sunzeneise]

I pray he transcends to America in his afterlife.

[@benhull3742]

My heroes.

[@DariaRock1]

Yes the ability to read has also to be there ... wonderful

[@derickbromley9764]

There is only truth. Nothing else.

[@sumthingwickedly]

Life speaks and look

[@patriciakimball8150]

Awesome point about architecture, a place to belong… around 22:40-ish

[@grumpydrummer8960]

Douglas Murray may not be a physically harmless person. But his mind of clear rational thinking and sharp wit is a weapon few can defend against. Also. Truth waits for those whose eyes are without longing- Ram Dass😊

[@tyc00n]

I went to the Google Sydney women's entrepreneur meeting not to hit on successful women but to learn what women entrepreneurs are getting exposure too so I can learn from that and the indian security guard almost kicked us out because we were not women...

[@johnturner1073]

Can you imagine Rayner debating rationally with a Conservative? That photograph of her and Starmer taking the knee needs to be brought out at every opportunity in the run-up to the next general election - do not neglect that gift.

[@marc-antoinerave2572]

I’ve always wondered, am I a conservative if I’m not attached to the preservation of the Christian culture in Europe? Not that I want it replaced with another religion. But it seems that in some countries, you need to be a christian to be a conservative.

[@terrance8817]

Hope

[@danmar007]

No one beats British wit.

[@derickbromley9764]

It the only alternative is power and power corrupts. Truth and love are the saviours of a good life. Power is corrupt and hatred.