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Douglas Murray: In conversation with Roger Scruton.
We bring together two of the sharpest - and controversial - minds in Britain to discuss: What does it mean to be a conservative?
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[@MarkSmith-yd9kh]

So refreshing to watch two intellectuals using language in such a masterful way - no f’ yous - no middle fingers and no slogans -

[@thunderstruck1078]

... and no mention of the most important thing to conserve - British people; and no proposed solutions at all.

[@annette2653]

@Sweet Belle South noone can help how they're born, we can however have control over the direction of our lives.

[@marils8452]

@Sweet Belle South Someone get a mirror, stat!

[@arktana]

Scruton is boring idiot. Intelectual my ass. Wish it was someone else talking to Douglas.

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

Academics not intellectuals. Read Sowell to know the difference

[@nivedithaprasad3349]

Travel well, Sir Roger Scruton. You were a gentle giant and your thoughts will be celebrated by posterity. Thanking you from India.

[@rinhu8864]

You are a legend

[@Abraham_Tsfaye]

Scruton allegedly abused young boys. Now that he dead. Those victims won't get any justice.

[@rinhu8864]

@Mark Kenny Imagine seeking out a conversation between Scruton and Murray just to reply to a comment with this drivel. Sad state of affairs all round.

[@rinhu8864]

@Mark Kenny I was talking to you about Abraham, nevermind.

[@rinhu8864]

@Mark Kenny That's OK, I can see how it could have been misconstrued.

[@hitchslap8254]

RIP. A tremendous loss to the pursuit of knowledge but we are richer for having benefited from your insights.

[@Isewein]

"Nobody tells their politicians to leave their phones outside parliament." So many succinct quotes in here. What a brilliant mind & what a tremendous loss for us. May his memory remain & continue to inspire.

[@juiceallmighty8350]

@fynes leigh llll

[@lct9elliot581]

@Isabelle Heinemann "BUILD BEAUTIFULLY" ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

[@javierpacheco8234]

We have the internet we can learn so much from it and we will be the next people to teach why conservatism is important to other generations.

[@MMM-qx7wb]

@@Isewein common sense

[@StellaAsh]

Two civilised Gentlemen having a civilised discussion. How refreshing, what a treat.

[@RoyalFizzbin]

S It’s probably best to just let this one go, for your own sanity.

[@hittitecharioteer]

Two ENGLISH gentlemen. Dignified, intelligent and truthful.

[@ElephantRage]

Er, that's not difficult as they agree wholeheartedly on everything they say.

[@vulturedroid9804]

2 wind bags with no real solutions to anything.

[@rulebritannia1553]

100% agree A pleasure to watch

[@louisefox4852]

"If you discard truth, all that is left is the pursuit of power". That is what is happening virtually everywhere. Thank you Sir Roger and Douglas - you are two fantastic intellectuals. I really enjoyed your discussion. I never stop learning from great men like you.

[@cmcull987]

I was in college class in the late 90s in an IR class. The instructors were very on about postmodernism. It seemed a lot of teachers were keen on it to the point of lazyness. Facts are just social constructs, they argued. But they weren't serious at all about what ideas they stood for.

[@7shelties]

I was very saddened today to hear of the passing of the great Roger Scruton. Although I never had the privilege of meeting him, or even hearing him speak live, his brilliant defense of Conservatism help to shape my view of the world. Rest In Peace Sir.

[@hmq9052]

And what is your view?

[@Inharmonics77]

Roger Scruton is a joy to listen to, especially in the insanity and intellectual incoherence of these times. We will miss him.

[@nascar0509]

Practically the entire public sector in a nutshell.... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.

[@riseoftheproles8505]

Damn he's got good quotes!! For everything!

[@kaptinkeiff]

That's an absolutely brilliant quote, thanks for that!!!

[@miketomlin6040]

How can you pay no price for being wrong, ? Is this when you are not aware of outcomes? The mind boggles.........

[@Aseutester]

Well that's true in the short term!

[@SunsetStarship]

@ mike tomlin - The quote is in reference to Sowell's definition of "intelligentsia" who he states as "having no productivity other than ideas" in control of government position and policy. For instance, President Obama, through his great wisdom of intelligentsia, thought the Affordable Care Act was a wonderful idea and a bunch of like minded pinheads thought so as well, but those who voted for that steaming hot mess didn't have to buy it or try to navigate its far reaching consequences. Obama just had an idea and we all paid the price.

[@YuyiLeal]

Men, please become such fine gentlemen yourselves! How beautiful to live in a world where more and more people like this exist! So inspiring, uplifting! ...God bless us!

[@mikkygou]

RIP Sir Roger 😢 an unbelievably great loss

[@kamachi]

Godspeed Sir Rodger. The United Kingdom was surely blessed to have you.

[@cinderelladevil1687]

I am not British, but I can endorse almost everything they say.

[@RM-fs8ub]

So am I....what the left has is a cut throat tendency to go for what they want using all means possible while conservatives go about it the "nice" way....something that puts them at a disadvantage.

[@cravateananas]

Hell i am French and i endorse every word out of their mouths, if a Frenchman and Englishman can agree that easily anyone can. jokes aside, these fine lads are doing what the west needs : building itself a new backbone, every western nation needs this breed of man on the radios, in the universities and on TV; they are the perfect example of a new counter culture, one that is not negative or self-defeating.

[@RM-fs8ub]

A nice fire by their side would make that talk even more enchanting...

[@CelticSaint]

@@RM-fs8ub Agreed. The right have been playing by the rules for far too long and the result is seen all around us. The gloves need taking off because Western Democracy and culture is now at stake.

[@RM-fs8ub]

Generations ahead will want to know how hard we fought when we saw imminent danger....let us not give them reason to loathe us. So many fronts are being attacked. People should take the front they can best address according to their strengths and tackle them head on. It is about cooperation with all humanity thriving as our end point first and foremost whilst not devolving into infighting which only makes it easier for us to be picked off one by one.

[@sue.F]

This is worth rewatching every few months or so. The affinity between these two men is charming and their rational discussion remains refreshing and inspiring. We should all be so lucky to have such a friend as Douglas was to Roger.

[@cyclist68]

As a teenager in the 80's I hated Roger Scruton. Why did I hate him? I'm ashamed to say I didnt know. I couldn't have told you other than to say I was told I should hate him as he was a fascist. At that age I was a socialist wannabe. It is to my great regret that at that young age I was given a book by Noam Chomsky and not Thomas Sowell. Having grown I now realise I was wrong and they were so many bitter wasted years. He was then and until his death, a wonderful man.

[@antkcuck]

I would love to see them do what Jordan Peterson did and upload university level lectures for anyone to learn qualifications would be nice, but getting the knowledge out is more important

[@thunderstruck1078]

You'd like to see them go to rehab?

[@dm-gq5uj]

@@thunderstruck1078 You seem nice.

[@dm-gq5uj]

@Alexander Franke I try not to harm anybody. For instance, I don't jeer at people who are going though very difficult times in their personal lives. I think that's pretty shoddy behavior.

[@apu_apustaja]

Yes, and it would be nice to see The Spectator come out from behind its paywall, at least digitally.

[@BiancaAguglia]

​@@thunderstruck1078 I'd like to see Jordan's rehab experience. That story is puzzling, touching, and slightly cautionary at the same time. We have much to learn from it. Jordan is a remarkable person. His wisdom and strength seem even more impressive now that we know some of his weaknesses. I wish him all the best. ❤️ He's helped thousands of people find direction and courage. Now he can help thousands of people learn how to overcome a public failure most misjudge. ❤️

[@Cactus_hug]

This speech is prophetic. It’s now a year later and it’s never been more urgent.

[@edmund184]

and another year

[@Muser10863]

​@@edmund184And another

[@TTFN55]

@@Muser10863 - What better way to start 2024?

[@AK-ne4og]

Yes you are indeed loved here in Brazil Sir Roger! And so are you Douglas Murray

[@mili3212]

i just absolutely love douglas murray. all i do is read all of his work. he's phenomenal! although i disagree with him here and there, he always clearly and rationally states his view and more often than not, backs it up with facts.

[@joshrj7]

Amazing discussion, Conservatism has always been at the heart of true discourse and progress

[@Pacabelle]

It is quite reassuring that the art of conversation is still alive on the web although it's almost non-existent on TV! I thoroughly enjoy this conversation between Scruton and Murray. Perhaps, they are our modern equivalent of Johnson and Boswell.

[@simoneandrade9932]

Thanks for posting! Rest in peace Sir Roger Scruton. You were a Light for us here in Brazil.

[@anettesandgren91]

Ohhh such pleasure to listen to these brilliant minds, I feel blessed! We need to spread this message in Sweden, no time to loose!

[@robfrancis7561]

You do indeed, after listening to Greta Thunburg, I wondering Sweden had given up entirely on critical thinking.

[@NerdGirlUK]

Jellybean Gen is on YT and is a Swedish young woman speaking out. She is worth subbing to.

[@mariamichael1807]

RIP Sir R Scrutton you gave us so much and trust your message will prevail. God bless you.

[@geoffreybank4773]

Best YT notification I've had in a while. Great upload!

[@shughy1]

Two wonderful people having polite and honest debate and exploration of ideas, the world needs more of this, not activism.

[@hallmark1]

RIP Roger. What a great talk. My two brain cells were very titillated.

[@grumpywasp4533]

hallmark this discussion between these two intellectual giants does rather make one feel this way, doesn’t it?

[@lorrainecleaver6792]

Rest in peace Sir, such a loss.

[@ocpaans1983]

RIP Sir Roger. Never afraid to offend, and brilliantly eloquent. Your authenticity will be sorely missed.

[@TheDante5000]

RIP. Sir Roger is no longer here but his wisdom will guide the new generations from now on. Its really a great loss not only to the conservatives but to all mankind that lost a tremendous intelectual.

[@mattakuorokashi]

Apart from how wonderful and brilliant both speakers were that evening, the highlighted note for me was how extraordinary the audience engagement was. Having seen a ton of events on politics, philosophy, and religion between America, the UK, and Australia, this was easily the best set of audience questions I've ever seen.

[@mattakuorokashi]

I wish my fellow Americans would surprise me at an event of equal caliber.

[@mattakuorokashi]

@@MaxArturo I listen to JBP regularly and many of the IDW cast and their allies. I see that my added comment might be a little ambiguous; I was hoping the audience members would surprise me with equal caliber, not the speakers. There's plenty of great public intellectuals on offer in North America for sure. Also, agreed about getting rid of celebrity and "success" culture as those are horrible markers for what's actually true and interesting.

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

Skarthi Thorgils - Jordan not pretty? Being a 100% straight man, I wouldn’t know, but my wife evokes slight jealousy when she says he is “A good looking man.“ As for wit and charisma, are we talking about the same Professor Jordan Peterson? 🤔

[@DenTomasdo]

You can't see questions unless you're very enlightened, usually you just hear them

[@adaeze861]

RIP to a great scholar. I came to know about him, unfortunately when he died. I started researching and watching so many KZbin videos about what he stood for.

[@andrealeclair162]

Ada Eze much like you, I only discovered Roger not too long before he died and I have been watching this great man speak via KZbin videos. I feel so saddened by his death and the loss to the world of such scholar. RIP Mr. Scruton.

[@adaeze861]

@@andrealeclair162 me too.

[@wesheiser7531]

Goodbye, Sir Roger. Many Americans will miss you too. Thank you for all you’ve said and done.😢

[@kbeetles]

Brilliant conversation - brilliant people! ((But why is it suggested to me by YT only three months later??)) I did like the audience's questions, too - restoring my faith in thinking and genuine people......

[@dougm3037]

But why is it suggested to me by YT only three months later??) the KZbin algorithm isn't designed to promote free thought at the expense of main stream media dross.

[@patri1689]

Wow you think yourself so highly eh 😉😜 you probably was browsing n listening something similar topics for those three months and nothing is incredible or special that by that time YT recommended to you for taking that amount of time. Point is: unless specifically ask for it, it is not surprising to take the amount time it took to get to you.

[@kbeetles]

Petri Claver - what was the dig for? You enjoy putting people down?

[@patri1689]

@@kbeetles It was you who said: why is that YT recommended to me three months later. How can you ask the 'why' question as if YT knows you personally n intimately?? There is algorithm here at work n it works by sniffing what you browse or interested in. So chill and enjoy :)

[@Asptuber]

Same here, I was surprised that it was from June and not from August or September. It surfaced in my recommendations at the same time as a few more recent podcasts with Douglas Murray. Can't remember when it was I was viewing quite few things on the Scruton controversy, Murray's article is dated late April, and I think I was about 2-4 weeks late to that. So I was watching this type of stuff sometime May-June, which makes Petri Claver's comment a bit off the mark I think. (Or maybe youtube just have a really short memory, and my marathons of watching Bondi Vet, Fake or Fortune or Benjamin Boyce's Evergreen stuff short circuited the algorithm memory...)

[@jennilou100]

I don't think that the party who call themselves "The Conservative Party" are what I, and apparently others think are "Conservative" Maybe it's time for a new party who are genuinely conservative, in the real sense of the word. Douglas and Roger, please keep up the good work. A little light in the immense darkness....

[@larsh2923]

Torys are The Liberal Party now and the namesake is lost

[@ddha0000]

that is because conservatism does not work. you can't run a country in that way. hence why almost every recession has happened under a conservative regime in the UK and US.

[@Longshanks1690]

@Mr.Bubbles Who was Prime Minister in 2008 again? 🤣🤣🤣

[@owenjones7517]

@@ddha0000 I'm sure the great Conservative statesmen of history fully agree

[@lalaholland5929]

@@ddha0000 and Canada

[@reprogrammingmind]

Unite and Hesitate!

[@lynnettespolitics9656]

I spit out my tea at that one!

[@dm-gq5uj]

Murray: People are loyal to institutions that are loyal in return. The Conservative Party wants people to be loyal to them but doesn't return the loyalty. Sounds exactly like many Republicans here in the States.

[@christopherrobbins9985]

High art of good conversation. RIP Roger Scruton. Douglas Murray is a worthy heir.

[@geoffmaputo4930]

I loved the remark on chanting slogans. "What do we want - hesitation; When do we want it - ermm, quite soon I think"

[@RodM.Peters]

Hah! That was elegantly witty.

[@megmartel6005]

2 of my favourite speakers❤️

[@lauriecoates9699]

What a splendid debate on common sense, something sadly missing in todays society

[@nicksibly526]

Sign me up for Scrutan Murray College

[@megmartel6005]

A degree worth obtaining!!

[@BartechTV]

It is such a pleasure to listen to these eloquent, intelligent gentlemen.

[@wesheiser7531]

I am concerned for the future of the world upon seeing the view count on this conversation. So much good thought and wisdom of which relatively few have taken advantage.

[@tomwhent8073]

The left has no interest, no tolerance, for the consideration of ideas which compete with their own. With the left there is no exchange of ideas, only blind acceptance of the the talking points. They do not seek to understand other views but only force their own.

[@tomwhent8073]

@Thatshow ED that's a great point. I'm not sure that patience is the only issue though. People don't seem to grasp the longer-term implications of anything either. It seems that there is no consideration of anything other than what feels good right now nor a desire to give serious thought to various viewpoints or outcomes. I believe that the loss of a sense of community towards a more selfish existence has accelerated this. It is less about humankind and all about "me" now.

[@hmq9052]

@@tomwhent8073 What are right wing policies though?

[@bethm4448]

This format, where Douglas is hosting the event, is my favorite way to listen to him. His as well as Sir Scruton's charm, wit and sense of humor absolutely shine here. I will watch this again without a doubt. Does anyone know where I can find a schedule of upcoming events like this?

[@heronsdoor4658]

It would be a good idea to be subscribed to the Spectator.

[@annalisavajda252]

Yes most things are expected to be debate argument and conflict now so it is good to see some common interests discussed.

[@tommore3263]

I had the inestimable benefit of studying the history or western thought in philosophy classes at Saint Michael's College at the University of Toronto. Wonderful, brilliant thought and its foundations.

[@hmq9052]

Could you at least try to estimate the benefit?

[@trebushett2079]

I will not listen to BBC news or go anywhere near Gaurdian news.

[@steviebob4]

You should. You can't fashion a remedy for a disease you're unfamiliar with. At least find a media critic you like to brush you up on the cancer they're spreading.

[@rogerclark3229]

Listen to the BBC news. It's wider-ranging and more reliable than any newspaper, let alone social media.

[@jonnysongs]

@@rogerclark3229 absolute nonsense. Their own journalists admit their bias - see the recent John Humphreys interviews or the Biased BBC website.

[@rogerclark3229]

@@jonnysongs... You don't do enough listening or viewing. The trouble with people like you, who use cowardly fake names, is you object to the expression of any opinions which are at variance with your own prejudices. The BBC provides the widest range of views. Incidentally, I first became aware of Douglas Murray when I heard him on the BBC.

[@wasabimanic]

In my stupid youth I worked for the bbc, after 4 years I left have not had a TV, for 28 years Have ever increasing cynacism regarding it's product. A violation of the "product desciptions" laws.

[@jakebaldwin1308]

@Douglas Murray - watched clip with you on at 'The Hoover Institute' and you're last line was powerful. So much so as to bring a well of water to my eye. I strongly agree more levels of gratitude are necessary for survival. [comments were disabled]

[@Fortior.]

It's the most sincere of tragedies that this was one of the last times Sir Scruton ever spoke publicly. A mere six months later, he had passed. That's twice now, I have discovered individuals who've had the bravery to discuss important things in public, despite their own private troubles. The other was Michael Crichton, who wrote the Jurassic park novels, and was prominently discussing climate change mere months before his death. Not particularly an anti-climate change tact, but moreso saying, until all of these elites who fly around on private jets, and enjoy 24./7 aircon in their houses, and don't mind paying $15/gallon (because they can afford it) change their houses to strictly off the grid electricity and start helping poor people pay for food for the children, they should f*ck off. He was of course extremely wealthy by most people's standards.

[@beardyface8492]

The conservative marching chant: What do we want? Minimal change! When do we want it! In due course! Is the change good? Let us go check ... Should we revert? MAYBE!

[@thunderstruck1078]

Culture is a collective expression of people. When those people become a minority the culture that sprung out of them will vanish. Forever. Shouldn't that be the question of all questions for real conservatives?

[@aquilatempestate9527]

"Love of country" is errant twaddle if the country belongs to whomever wanders in, or is herded in by social engineers. Liberalism has turned nations into glorified shopping centres, open to any willing customer, or thief. My loyalty is not primarily to my country, it is to my people. It is to the English, my extended family. Ethnocentric co-operation is how the Gods fashioned us and indeed it is what life itself demands of us. You can tell it is demanded of us because without it, we perish. Study: jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html.bak

[@mikebetts2046]

I am not so sure that conservatives really need to ask that question. From my point of view, it has already been asked AND answered. You just now answered it yourself (correctly, I might add). now, if you are suggesting that this question must be asked in more public settings, then I more fully agree.

[@thunderstruck1078]

@@aquilatempestate9527 100% true, dear fren.

[@thunderstruck1078]

@@mikebetts2046 They need to scream it from the rooftops until the course is changed. Otherwise your children (or grandchildren, depending on where you are) will not have a place to call home. These are all fake conservatives, who operate withing a neat square that the left had drawn for them and thus never actually conserve anything of value.

[@bigfan1041]

Ethnic nationalism and conservatism is the only true conservatism and nationalism.

[@marccas10]

Thank god there are still intelligent people who may yet wrest our culture back from the brink of insanity.

[@jasonshields515]

Just want to send some love to the UK From America. I speak for many Americans when I say .. we love Roger ... we miss Roger 😞. Rip Sir Roger . Our life long mentor and friend across the sea . And our life long friends and Ally’s across the sea . May we all get past this virus with a clean bill of health 😕. I’ve never been to the UK ...but god knows how close I feel to the people therein . Love you guys 🖤✌️

[@3000waterman]

Absolutely riveting. I am grateful.

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

These are the days when 'controversial' is a bad thing. Brilliant speakers.

[@kandilula]

I teared up at that TS Eliot quote. This was an excellent conversation, thank you.

[@didinx8417]

Have you listened to the Eric Weinstein/Douglas Murray podcast...The Portal....its on podtails....when Douglas quoted TS Eliot's Four Quartets....well it got me....could not stop hearing Douglas speaking those lines for days...just very touching....

[@joshuahendricks6910]

If "superlikes" were available this video would get one. An excellent discussion with a civil restraint that is refreshing. It is wonderful to watch a video that touches so specifically on politics that does not leave you feeling dirty or "mobilized" like a someone's pawn. I left this grateful for what I have and yet reflective and hopeful rather than angry or discouraged. Thank you both, and Rest in Peace Sir Roger.

[@lydiarowe491]

Observing this discussion on current subjects is a revelation.. Respecting the audience and themselves..something others could learn from.

[@Benboy1980]

The Scrutum Murray university, now that would be a place I would definitely want to study! 🏫

[@GorillaTVe]

i am not a conservitist but i admire that he actually has persude his opinion intellectually and philosophically.

[@Marrow9000]

This talk was just 7 months before his death. Wow. So grateful for film recording.

[@nascar0509]

On the eastern European countries many of them are now paying for open borders immigration as many of their best people and many others have left their home countries for western Europe and finding serious shortages of semi and skilled workers but very few want to talk about it.

[@milels6917]

Love the words fight to find what is lost

[@gangasinghrathore4709]

Restin peace Sir Roger Scruton, a tremendous loss, but his vision will become reality one day,

[@davidwhite4874]

Well, there's thinkers, like these two, and then there's 'politicians'.............things of a very different kidney.

[@mrcockney-nutjob3832]

Help by buying Douglas and Roger's books the publishers will see that and it will help others with the same message.

[@AlexandreSchwarz]

Can we all be thankful for a minute for the opportunity to watch this? For millenia, people didn't have a chance to access this kind of cultural enrichment and were all longing for something like this. We are very privileged, in this sense. And everyone else who's reading this, know your worth: not everyone can stand this, unfortunately, but you can. It's your responsibility to keep the conquests that we accomplished as a civilization.

[@themac3116]

Wonderful.

[@Pumpernickellll]

Interesting discussion. As a ‘lefty’ one thing I have appreciated very much over the past 3 years is the need and the positives of a moderate right wing voice. One such as Scruton who is clearly a man of great intelligence and competence. But what plays itself out in Parliament and over the Atlantic is a pantomime of politics and debate. Rather than right or left, what I would give for a ‘competent’ centrist movement. Sadly, that voice wouldn’t be very loud.

[@eternallight7]

Mike Best I think these men are talking about common decency. They understand the needs of humans. Most Politicians are only interested in power and money. They don't even want to understand the needs of the people they are meant to serve, because they are too busy being self serving. Watching politicians in Parliament is like watching a bunch of braying donkeys. They never discuss, they shout and scream and try their best to put down the other side. How does that solve the problems of any country? I don't think they know how to discuss, they aren't intelligent for starters, they are career politicians climbing their way to the top and are prepared to stab each other in the back, not to mention completely forgetting that they are their to serve, we the people.

[@hugohugo2832]

Conservatism as Scruton says is an instinct if you are happy in your life. Centrism is Tony Blair.

[@plekkchand]

Let's see, I can watch a video like this, or I can watch Young Sheldon, the Big Bang theory, or Jerry Springer, with attendant commercials. I just don't know what to do, TV is so incredibly appealing these days.

[@patri1689]

No my friend. It is all about moderation. But it is better feeding your mind with what is good and true than feed like a baby from these shows.

[@Deb.L.]

"To be a harmless individual and to die having harmed nothing" is totally different from advertising oneself as harmless. The latter is a form of narcissism and disdainful virtue signalling

[@Elerad]

Two international treasures on stage together. Just need Peterson up there to form the Holy Trinity. Bless you gents.

[@70galaxie]

nah. Peter Hitchens

[@mister2628]

@@70galaxie nah Johnathan Bowden RIP

[@paulvarn4712]

At least we get to see each of these three in pairs at various times. Almost as good. Scruton with his deep dive but relatable and gentle humor with Jordon Peterson. What a contrast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmacmpWsorWfhZo

[@TheNightBadger]

_"Build more beautifully"_ - It's a nice idea, but it doesn't change that cutting down woodland to build pretty houses still leaves you with lost trees. Those houses also come with roads, more cars than the buildings and streets will have been designed for - and so on. Yes, build beautifully, but also build more practically; every house should have three floors, a basement, and parking space for _at least_ 2 cars, as well as a front garden, and a back garden large enough to play football with a child. Also, the houses aren't being built for the people here, they're being built for the 500,000 people who have moved here almost every year since the late 90's. Oh, and stop foreign residents from owning property (or at least heavily limit it) - especially in places like London. Plus stop people from owning too many properties period.

[@theoutlander2873]

Build.... Conservatively.

[@peachesandcream8753]

I don't think the parking space for two cars is practical, mostly because we have so little space in the first place, so that money should go towards public transport and making it reliable. Scruton made the case for Victorian style houses, which I think is the practical solution because it gives people 3-4 floors of space, it's economical space wise since the houses will be narrower but taller and longer allowing for more in a row, and will give people the space at the back and front for gardens. Why we ever went away from this is bizarre. It's like the government has been run by monkeys.

[@TheNightBadger]

​@@peachesandcream8753 People won't want to give up their cars, so if you don't make allowances for them you just have streets crowded with cars parked on the pavement (which we kind of have now). Also, outside of cities, public transport isn't that great, and certainly not for people with mobility issues. However, I can see the return of things like trams for more densely populated areas. I was primarily talking about the building being done outside of cities with my list, but I do agree with the higher Victorian style buildings (which also used to have basements) for urban areas. I think they just go for whatever is cheap and makes them quick money (based on who bribes them the most I'm sure). Same thing happened when they thew up tower blocks - communities ended up destroyed and they still had to utilise the same groundspace because sunlight needed to reach the whole building which meant they had to be spaced far apart, the only difference being the elderly and infirm (and many children) were now 10 stories away from the ground. Madness.

[@ericjohnson7234]

Why cant we just go into space? There is plenty of room.

[@Gozzillacia]

If Roger and Douglas were the Conservative Party - they would never be out of power. Is that an irony ?

[@nivedithaprasad3349]

So, where do I sign to join Scruton Murray College?

[@dominicfastbender4029]

If only governments would wake up and listen to Mr Murray and those like him, still capable of rational thought. A good start would be to legislate to stop the massive harm social media is doing or break them up as the anti democratic monoplies they are.

[@hmq9052]

The rebirth of the right has been predicated on social media

[@jameswebb4593]

Both Sir roger and Douglas mentioned something that resonates with me , though each mentioned the subject in a different context. Douglas said he was in conversation with a women who travels the world viewing Temples but never visits English Cathedrals. I live in Thailand and not many have had as much experience of Temples then myself , English Cathedrals are superior in every way. Sir Roger mused on how the monestries were a focal point for learning, social gathering, well that is where Temples do win . They are a rich part of Thai life and give people a sense of belonging and togetherness. When any natural disaster strikes e.g. floods the input from those not affected is unbelievable.

[@goharikjones7387]

I've learned so much, thank you very much. Two great thinkers.

[@jakezgab8576]

U got to stand 4 something or you’ll fall 4 anything.

[@patri1689]

Did you come with that?? Is that yours? If so, you need to copyright that 😋

[@patri1689]

I think you deserve to hear this along in the what you just wrote here. Talking about standing for something and not falling for anything, check out, the now banned from YT, E.Michael Jones--Degenrate Moderns. That is a perfect example for standing up for something you believe in.

[@davidhunt7427]

*_There is only one way to avoid criticism: do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing._* ~ Aristotle *_The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended._* ~ Frederic Bastiat *_Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves._* ~ William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783 *_We always plan too much and always think too little. We resent a call to thinking and hate unfamiliar argument that does not tally with what we already believe or would like to believe._* ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter *_Indeed, a major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it . . . gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself._* ~ Milton Friedman *_The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional._* ~ Ron Paul *_As long as human beings are imperfect, there will always be arguments for extending the power of government to deal with these imperfections. The only logical stopping place is totalitarianism -- unless we realize that tolerating imperfections is the price of freedom._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter._* ~ Winston Churchill

[@mufasao6776]

Great quotes!

[@lct9elliot581]

@David Hunt "There is only one way to avoid criticism: do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing. ~ Aristotle" Lazy good for nothing!

[@gmcq8623]

A lovely, enlightening, wise discussion. With Sir Roger's passing, we have lost a great mind and a great soul.

[@ViriatoII]

Something's strange, I cannot save this wonderful video to any playlist, the button is missing (but it's not missing in other videos)

[@ReadySaltedCrisps]

Two of the greats. Rest in peace, Sir Roger.

[@ForwardSynthesis]

Interesting talk.

[@billhouston3834]

Good discussion. Conservative schools are greatly needed, especially because they would protect the environment necessary for true learning to occur. The main problem with education these days is that so much of it has become politicised that indoctrination has taken its place.

[@therighthonsirdoug]

I wouldn't say "conservative" schools or Universities in the UK, but educational institutions that allow proper freedom of speech and thought, with academics who recognise that pushing their own personal political views with no counterbalance isn't helpful. They're all for "diversity", just not diversity of ideas.

[@hmq9052]

@@therighthonsirdoug Yes, absolutely. All crackpots should have free reign on our children's mind. Gareth Icke. Neil Oliver. Right Said Fred.

[@therighthonsirdoug]

@@hmq9052 🤷‍♂️ keep taking the pills.

[@mmf1728]

Absolutely Brilliant

[@scottyb2117]

What a treat to be enlightened by this intelligent and thoughtful conversation.

[@julianblake8385]

Listening to these two amazing gentlemen make me wish to stand up, take to the streets and defend England, it's culture, heritage and Enlightenment ideas until the last day of my life...and I'm Colombian :V

[@marciamcgrail5889]

Goodness me! - we need more like you...

[@gregorysgarrison]

So what happens if everybody just ignores the twitter mobs or whatever and stops capitulating to them?

[@atkgrl]

Stock prices fall and whoops there goes big business.

[@delta-9969]

If nothing is true, everything is permitted

[@derickshalo384]

Instincts that are formidable and void of controversies and contradictions, are defendable and don't require reinventions to be accepted by the masses. When you go into other peoples nations and lay their ships bare, and for no fault of their own, the people of those barren ships, look across the seas and see opulence, the "natural" thing to do will be to set sail towards that opulence. You can't consume that which is pleasurable and not pay the equivalent price for that which is pleasurable.

[@Snakesborough]

Scruton and Murray together. What better can one get? Best wishes from the Netherlands. God save your Queen and may God protect our King. Glory to our beautiful nations in which it's so resplendent to live.

[@deathofcommonsense]

I was born in an English industrial city slum (1950) and at the age of 12 had to hide the fact that I went to a library 'because I enjoyed it' and most definitely had to hide the fact that I also regularly visited the city's art gallery! The 'left' working class culture contains many hidden conservatives who did go to uni and benefited greatly from that and who also did learn to 'question' all things rationally. Sadly, the woke generation puts even more pressure on souls like me to remain hidden and quiet..... a quiet that seriously needs to be challenged. People like Douglas and Sir Roger are bright lights in the current darkened world of 'weaponized opinions'.... to put it in Douglas Murray speak :)

[@peachesandcream8753]

I also find that a lot of the working class culture harms it more than helps it. The fact that reading and going to an art gallery warranted you to hide it, because you would have been mocked otherwise, is testament to this. I find the working class to be their own worst enemy at times, conflating any personal development as a negative and accuse you of "trying to be posh/better than you are". I've constantly been looked down on by working class people because I believe in personal growth and being better than where I came from, and the fact that I don't drink alcohol too (I'm 28, female and from a working class background), and they find it to be an attack on themselves. I don't know whether this is working class arrogance or a lack of self-worth but it's pervasive all across white working class communities and I just don't understand it.

[@deathofcommonsense]

@@peachesandcream8753 I think it is largely a basic psychological knee jerk response to feeling inferior to those who did not just accept their lot and strived for better and got it, when they didn´t! A case of ....put such people down, it makes me feel better!

[@301250]

There was the Age of Enlightenment, now it’s the Age of Obscurantism where Truth is suppressed and Falsehood, promoted. It is a rare privilege indeed to see & listen to two of the finest minds around up there on stage (conspicuous by his absence is Theodore Dalrymple!) both representing everything that’s decent & good about the British. Sadly, just very recently the world has been robbed of one of them, namely, Sir Roger Scruton, whose tragic death through cancer has made us all the poorer. RIP, Sir Roger.

[@donikajorgo5612]

Brilliant interview. Enjoy and learn. Thank you

[@johncitizen3227]

🙌🙌🙏pillars of our time. RIP Sir Roger

[@paulnugent9937]

I grew up in postwar Britain, albeit a decade after Sir Roger, and while I share his love of “the way things are”, the challenges since that somewhat idyllic time have changed and with them their demands. The grain of sand within the oyster of so-called comfort is conscience, and in this challenged world of extreme inequalities Conservatism is being forced by that voice of conscience to be disturbed. We cannot just lie in the comfortable bed of our own making. Conscience, like Christianity, is a compelling force and we need to readjust in the light of it. At the root of conservatism must lie service and, dare I say, sacrifice; and when such fine and noble qualities are exerted a new order can be established upon which society can resettle itself. That is where the future of conservatism must surely lie, in goodness and truth (as in self-honesty), both of which will spawn beauty as their natural flower.

[@transkryption]

looking forward to this

[@sardickie3367]

Rip Sir Roger Scruton

[@Boylieboyle]

So glad for this. RIP

[@TudorsTigers]

Two conservative titans. We could ill afford to lose RS but he did leave behind an extraordinary body of work that will outlast those of his opponents.

[@user-wf5dw6bq6c]

I did visit Cathedrals and ancient chapels in England and France. I remember Chartres very well: the beautiful statues whose figures embodied movement although they were still. Thank you for this discussion. It was good for the soul! 💐❤️👍