Dove Doesn't Understand Gaming (A Response Video)

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

The fact that even their cgi version of the fat women is *still* slimmed down compared to the real person is hilarious

[@aaronrowell6943]

Oh my god you're right XD

[@alastortheworshipperofkhorne]

Thought I was the only one who noticed

[@jonathanpretty5031]

Lol

[@JediSheng]

As a woman... I hate this commercial and the mentality behind it I have a feeling that they came up with the statistics before hand, then (if they did at all) did a small survey to match the predetermined results I want to see aesthetically appealing characters, not ugly and unappealing I have no interest in seeing myself "represented" . I'll play any character and enjoy any story so long as they're well written I do really think that a LOT of this is just jealousy and envy And yeah, being overweight is UNHEALTHY. I'm (slightly) overweight, and am trying to lose weight to improve my healthy

[@mitrion301]

I agree with all of this and hope your journey to get more healthy will go well.

[@CYrujn-yt]

Ok

[@laraprisma6381]

That's great, but honestly, some people just don't want to lose weight and in my opinion, we shouldn't force it on them. Especially with today's toxicity of skin standards (seriously, I hate beauty standards!), plus size characters in the media just aren't made for everyone. I hope you stay well and are happy with yourself, your own happiness and how you feel about yourself is important.

[@John-fk2ky]

@@laraprisma6381 If you don't want to lose weight and are of an unhealthy weight, you are, quite bluntly, VERY foolish. You're only hurting yourself. It's not a question of beauty. It's a question of health.

[@axios4702]

You can tell just by the wording. "Do you feel unrepresented in videogames?" is such a vague fucking question it's extremely easy to skew the results in favour of whatever narrative you wanna build. I'd love to check exactly how Dove got thay statistic in the first place.

[@peryshko1273]

"Dove, you sell soap, what are you doing?" is the most passive-agressive line from raven in this video

[@Nandorgrand2]

Do people bound to a wheelchair want to be hindered by one in videogames as well? "Oh, look a chest! It's just up 3 steps of stairs. Unfortunately the necromancer ruling this dungeon didn't make it accessible."

[@hariman7727]

Ultimate upgrade: Hover chair. Secret beginning of the actual game after the joke opening of being in a wheelchair: Going back in time to make sure you don't get paralyzed. The rest of the game is fighting interdimensional time monsters that don't like time travel.

[@bulldowozer5858]

That moment in Borderlands 2, when ClapTrap wanted to lead you to fight Handsome Jack, but was greeted by a flight of staris

[@angrytheclown801]

A woman actually made a wheelchair for DnD. Or more specifically, she made a diatribe about how you should make Dungeons wheelchair accessible no matter how stupid that would be in a design perspective, and then an overpowered item she expected to just be given to people from the beginning. So yes, she expects all wheelchair bound people to want to be in a wheelchair in game.

[@valiantchris6456]

I thought we are done with April Fool's.

[@hariman7727]

I'm looking to argue that it's also learned narcissism and a lack of empathy. "I can't identify with these characters because they don't look like me." is saying that they refuse to find commonalities between them and characters who don't look like them. I can identify with characters who look nothing like me, are the opposite gender, and who are also entirely different species, because I have empathy. Why are we letting these people teach our children to be selfish brats?

[@laraprisma6381]

I think the real problem is that people overweight usually suffer a lot of discrimination simply for not being thin, and sometimes they don't feel better when they lose weight. Changing your appearance to please others and ignoring your own happiness is not healthy. Of course, being morbidly obese is also not healthy, but not everyone who is overweight is like that because they eat too much.

[@John-fk2ky]

@@laraprisma6381 being overweight isn't healthy. What you're advocating for is complete stupidity.

[@paulsmith410]

This whole "You're perfect the way you are." messaging is so sad. I would even say it's dangerous and cruel. What it really conveys is a disempowering message of "Just accept your place. You will never be anything more." Don't grow, don't improve. Stay in your place. On the contrary, someone who has a healthy self-respect will be the person who possesses a sense of value in themselves. They will invest in their improvement because they believe that they are worth it. It's those people who overcome weight issues, disabilities, and other personal weaknesses. When someone says, "You are perfect the way you are." they don't love you. They love themselves. They do not have your best interest at heart. All they want is for you to like them and look like a good person. They aren't lifting you up. They are holding you down.

[@hezekiahsimon3341]

Fax

[@TheDragShot]

Truth has been spoken.

[@badgamemaster]

As someone who has been suffering of some of the problems coming with been overweight I am very strongly against the support of fat acceptance. It is borderline murder.

[@hercules2606hd]

I'm feeling sorry for any people who struggle with weight loss because these "woke" groups make them look bad, confuse them about what is right and wrong and ultimately turn them into monsters in appearance and character

[@TheDragShot]

They just want more people paying for medicine, supplements and treatment in the near future 😅 .

[@johnk9727]

Fat expectance should be replaced with fat encouragement. People should be pushing the overweight to better themselves

[@Hooked_Rose]

The only thing that matters to me in a video is story, character design, and if im gonna have fun playing it. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

[@mrchenz1371]

Man gets it

[@Hyuinn]

They're trying to appeal to the "wider" audience because they have more skin surface and therefore need more soap.

[@jestaalchaosborne]

I love how games are constantly making their characters more “realistic”…unattractive…. And the games are actually suffering from it. As a overweight male, there is 0 interest in playing as a overweight character.

[@guardian7106]

Realism is the excuse they want to use for horrible/stupid decisions

[@jestaalchaosborne]

@@guardian7106 like it’s honestly ruining some games. Like mass effect andromeda had literally no attractive females yet the males were all fairly good looking. Even the two main characters, the Ryder siblings, had this double standard where the male looked like a model while the female looked like she lost a street fight to a horse.

[@guardian7106]

@@jestaalchaosborne exactly, this double standard is what really annoys me about this and worse is that if you claim that men are being sexualized, they’ll deny it and say “men can’t be sexualized” when that’s far from the truth

[@jestaalchaosborne]

@@guardian7106 I just prefer to play as something better than myself, why on earth would I want to be out of shape and ugly….like do people forget that video games are an escape from the sad realities of life?

[@guardian7106]

@@jestaalchaosborne yeah same here, if anything in character creators, I tend to make more female characters than male ones since I just have more ideas for female created characters than male ones, of course I’ll make a male one if I have a cool idea.

[@morkomori9617]

As an young male who gets a passing grade with attractiveness, I really like seeing attractive people. No matter how much more attractive they are than me.

[@caexinvictus6785]

I was half expecting a call-out for "Prepare for Titanfall" when she landed...

[@olakpasa6486]

Do not do my boy BT dirty like that...

[@TheGamingAngel18]

I am a woman and my favorite female game characters is Bayonetta, Midna, and Ann from Persona 5. Die mad about it Dove. I never felt under represented, I play a ton of characters that look nothing like me. If I want to play a character that looks like me there is customizable avatar, even then I still don’t because that lacks imagination imho

[@bulldowozer5858]

Further proof, that Gamers are the most oppressed group of all.

[@GreatHornedCynic]

True.

[@exoboi6974]

We live in a society

[@jjkrayenhagen]

Fun Fact: The Albino? black lady to the left has actually had her representation removed by Ubisoft when they made it so you couldn't have a light skinned Medjay.

[@Memedude_L1]

Lmao

[@valiantchris6456]

1:30 - 1:32 We already have a cool woman named Cynthia. Also: Garchomp, go get that phony!

[@badgamemaster]

I would make a Cynthia PTSD joke but I couldn't make one up.

[@ottobaron6392]

A lot of women play "Candy Crush", and I don't think it's because they identify as food.

[@guardian7106]

There’s actually this one side character in a martial arts fantasy that I’m working on named Yusiro, that uses Chi to increase and decrease her body weight (naturally she’s slim). Essentially she practices sumo wrestling and karate, with her using either depending on if she’s slim or fat. However she’s not pushing for “fat representation” she simply uses her increased body weight as a tool/weapon to defeat her enemies and to adapt to the situation

[@RoachEnjoyer]

That’s just choji from Naruto

[@guardian7106]

@@RoachEnjoyer never watched naruto personally so I’m not really familiar with the characters but I can see what you mean

[@RoachEnjoyer]

@@guardian7106 choji uses chakra to change his weight and size of his body or limbs. That’s his main gimmick

[@guardian7106]

@@RoachEnjoyer oh okay I see

[@guardian7106]

@@RoachEnjoyer only thing I remember about naruto is characters using chi to use their abilities/gimmicks

[@rodan9773]

Raven puts him self down a lot but he's an amazing KZbinr guy doesn't give him self enough credit.

[@frankg2790]

Dove has no right to complain about the "unrealistic" bodies of female protagonists when they used Supermodels to market their soap.

[@magmos6346]

I love how real life Cynthia is STILL fatter than the game version.

[@valiantchris6456]

What's next: Dutch Lady doesn't understand gaming???

[@lunerblade13]

5:26 my question is if you have so much confidence in your actual physique why make so many advertisements and be apart of so many games and NOW decide to show up as you are. Why not do this from go or at least sooner.

[@razeplazma5978]

At this point I think we have truly reached the lowest of the low. The fact that dove decides to release an absolute travesty of a commercial is crystal clear what their motives are. They simply dont care, so long as they promote a message. It is one they can hardly understand, especially the implications of it all.

[@helldrake77777]

WHAT?! You mean to tell me that Raven Knight is not a cute anime waifu?! How dare you ruin the fantasy! I am offended!

[@dr.calibrations7984]

Notice that this is OVERWHELMINGLY a woman problem. I didnt and dont see old Rick Ross being seen as a "male beauty standard" or as a classic hero. But in current year, my wifes ballerina body type is demonized as "unrealistic" well for an unrealistic body type its odd that i see said unrealistic body type everyday, and for most of the day. Furthermore, i really dont understand this obsession with "realism" in gaming. I dont want my dad bod reflected in my games, i make any male CAC i make cut and typically as jacked as possible. I make a character aspirational, not typical. Finally, i play games to escape reality, not reflect it. We cant use Kamehameha, fly, or die more than once. While we can drive like a maniac, its not a great idea. Stop ruining my escapism because you are painfully aware how unattractive you are and how desperate you are to force your ugliness as beauty. Gain confidence, lose weight, and be beautiful inside. Its that simple, a dirty spirit that loves uncleanness is impossible to hide.

[@TheArtistJ777]

Mass Effect Andromeda tried this whole "more relatable" women thing by not adding a single attractive female in the entire game for the sake of it being more realistic or some junk. Someone needs to tell all these people that there are actual attractive women in real life. I mean c'mon, it's actually more insulting to women that they keep saying they want to make games more realistic and make everyone unattractive. Plus, you don't see them do that with men characters either, and men don't complain about it being unrealistic, were like, "That character is awesome!" Never once have I played as Master Chief and said, "If only the spartans were fatter people could really relate to them." 😂

[@lordfijor1386]

Wait yeah, why did she even undress? 74%? Who the fuck did they ask? Know what yeah, what the fuck is a soap company doing making this damn ad? Ay real talk, that ice monster thing is an actual G for being hella chill bout all this. Big RK out here identifying all his waifus without a single stumble. Dove talking about bigger ladies in gaming but forgets about Ellie from the Borderlands series who is a literal dough ball with the skill set of a highly proficient mechanic

[@Raigan_Avalon]

I've never "felt represented" in any game, and I've never cared about that. I put myself into the character I've been presented with.

[@chidoman1595]

Dove thinks most gamer girls are fat i guess

[@hercules2606hd]

Raven speaks the truth once again

[@ja-vishaara]

I'd rather have the physique of a character like Geralt or Ezio than for them to have my physique ngl

[@Haos51]

Now I'm hoping you do get Raid Shadow Legends as a sponsor.

[@RavenKnightYT]

I sincerely doubt that will happen. Hahaha.

[@hariman7727]

​@@RavenKnightYT not going to lie, you did have me going for a moment. I thought you were going to do your best count dankula impression.

[@skeith1543]

not gonna lie, i could see wheel chair characters. Seriously. in a tech based setting, you motorize that thing, add some boosters or jets, load on some firepower and you've got your self a nice little ass kicking wheelchair. it only works in high tech settings and what not but i could see it. to quote a comic i read a long time ago "a horse turns a cripple into a warrior' the same principle can apply to a mechanized wheelchair. So long as they're able to move around and have weapons they could be a viable threat.

[@mrgoodcat899]

So Dove is going into the gaming world? Unwanted pests, rodents and rats and what do we do with rats?… 🤔

[@GardoGamer]

very underrated channel.. I've watched many videos from you (specially your response videos)... very coherent and very good points.. you earned a sub...

[@jasonpowerz360]

I was v e r y much hoping Raven would be covering this.

[@kielbasamage]

Perhaps this is a high IQ plan to make us buy Dove soap to scrub our eyes and brain so we forget and never see this ad again.

[@mal1362]

Technically there are over weight npcs in fallout 4 mayor Mcdonna, and 4 female and male settler. Whether they are lesibian is up for debate XD

[@dyspathyacrimonious2516]

That epic landing would have shattered her knees

[@Dragonspirit223]

I'll be honest, I don't care, because to me video games are designed as escapism. I am not very fit. I'll be honest about it, I'm a little larger than I'd like. But when I play a game you bet I'm playing tall, fit, strong characters because that's what I want to see, and hopefully become later. If I'm playing a Wargame, why would I want to play as a large, overweight person, when not only is that a legitimate hazard to the person and everyone around them, but they'd be weeded out or changed via training. I just don't understand this mentality of 'I need to see myself represented to understand and connect.' John 117 and Sgt. Johnson would brg to differ

[@mkdemigodzillawarrior]

Huh…now that makes a lot of sense. Yeah I don’t think gamers really want to see themselves in the games. I mean, the whole point of games is to be someone else right?

[@SansINess53]

I love games and fun but I hate un-games and no fun

[@RoutaAskel]

Weight is power, and overweight is overpower. That being said,ive never understood fat-positive movement.

[@TheTartKnight]

Even though I am not perfect, i started going to gym and doing a keto diet, and i am in a waaaayyyy better position than I was before, currently I am 1,83m and 102 kg. i was roughly 115 like one month ago and albeit i didn't lose a lot of weight, i gained muscular mass, so basically I exchanged fat for muscle. i should take advantage now that I am a young lad, if I didn't I'd become a rotting geezer with diabetes... Don't neglect yourself, kids

[@KaeMcSpadden]

But it is still ironic that they have the real person but they have the cgi version of her still slimmed down and made her more cute cartoony facial features.

[@Memedude_L1]

That gollum voice was perfect lol

[@godwhyofficial6252]

I think it's difficult for rpgs. Rdr2 did it really good where being overweight lowered your stamina and raised your health, being average had no perks, being thin lowered your health and raised your stamina and so forth.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Had to give a like. This was by far the best video you've done. Dove is really going off the deep end with the woke stuff. Remember those god awful Steven Universe ads they did?

[@jaguarwarrior7627]

dove is about to take a major L and lose major money

[@baronvonboomboom4349]

I feel it can come down to personal opinions. I am a big guy and yes I can find a male character who is ripped and bulky attractive, I also equally enjoy playing more rotund and large characters. Like I enjoy playing Shagoki because it shows that not all fat characters are just big jolly guys, there is strength and power behind it all.

[@som3bode577]

15:42 Raven, I think your tea is done XD In all seriousness, a pretty great vid. I do think that depending on the game and the context within it, there should be more body types. Like DBD does have a couple women that don't have the hourglass figure but you could just assume the Entity gave everyone the same speed and stamina outside of perks. And while Gridlock from Rainbow 6 is rather large, she's still muscular and fit enough for her job. There are some fat men like in fighting games that manage to do the things they can do, so I don't see why not there can't be women either, though of course that's not what people want. At the same time, why do these people need a video game to validate their existence? I'm not mad that there are no underweight Asians like myself. Having certain races inserted into a game where it's not needed or doesn't matter is one thing, but body types that Dove is trying to push, they better have a damn good reason as to why the person is built like that and how they're working around it in-game. And in games that gives you extensive options to customize your character, I never make a character look exactly like me. I only make a better-looking me, a character I made, or just a hot-ass tan-skinned woman.

[@BaldianOfIbelin]

24:30 I will not deny that it sounds a bit like brainwashing

[@CruelestChris]

Somewhere in the depths of Unilever is an old post-it note saying "Fat women buy more soap - find moral angle?"

[@B1_1_9_7_5]

Raid Shadow Legends is better than this because they had JEFF GOLDBLUM!!

[@KrusaderYT]

The raid shadow legends thing nearly gave me a heart attack

[@kurokawa8362]

This is more of a case of people going into places they don’t understand and the campaign for character body positivity is a fool’s errand. They gain nothing for showing unattractive characters, even if it is realistic. It is funny that a soup company looks into gaming and say “we need to spread body positivity and show a fat woman embracing her obesity.” That only hurts their message as it isn’t even positive at all, just negative.

[@harveysidhu7030]

Another awesome response video. Keep them coming

[@shawmiserix404]

hey i just had a thought balancing for honor through the body types

[@cubxicang.5918]

I feel like if dove wanted a good video game commercial. “Girl gets out of a battlefield and when she comes home she gets cleaned up by dove” so simple yet probably not that fascinating

[@toonrex2806]

Even Zombieland, a zombie comedy film understood how unrealistic it is for fat people to survive in a post apocalyptic world.

[@exoboi6974]

Dove: We need bigger body types in games Me: Thor GOW Ragnarok George Halo: Reach Roadhog Overwatch Etc

[@cheesegrater8699]

i wouldn’t put jorge with those two since he’s just tall compared to the other spartans

[@exoboi6974]

@@cheesegrater8699 I respectfully disagree, as George is also much more muscular than other Spartans as well.

[@illusiveman8027]

We all need to buy Dove soap after watching that filthy piece of propaganda.

[@HalfTangible]

1:25 Part of me wants to seriously throw myself into youtube just so one day I can do a Raid Shadow Legends sponsor. Specifically, leading off from that scene at the end of Rise of Skywalker: "Rey." "... Rey who?" "Rey D'Shadow Legends, the hot mobile game that-"

[@caexinvictus6785]

Am I the only one who finds it ironic they're using Unreal Engine for "Realistic Body Image?"

[@Clips101YT]

Dove?

[@Lobomaru02]

Dove's idiocy aside I'll tune into your reaction videos just to hear you talk, Raven. I'd listen to you read the phonebook.

[@dennisrichard6975]

Raven night as a nun, just saying, definitely coming in for Communion😇👏

[@RavenKnightYT]

And we'd be happy to welcome you. ^^ Sister Raven is always happy to hold Communion.

[@Kuro-dx5pq]

I feel like thor in GOWR was a better and more realistic... uh... "representation" if you might call it that, of this certain type of person and im not saying this to be a an asshole, but it was better because it showed the drawbacks of being overweight and alcoholic or something

[@oniemployee3437]

If you want to "make virtual beauty real" then tell people to go to the gym or consult a professional to go on a diet. Have posters of Clayton Carmine, Kratos, Lara Croft, or whatever you find good looking and train to gain a physique that's in honor of them. That's what I do. edit: besides, games are fantasies anyway. Lets have pretty people in our fantasies.

[@hariman7727]

Even if she's a powerlifter of some kind under all of that fat, she's not going to have the endurance to keep running and fighting for extended periods. Because the physicality and body structure needed to sustain an action-adventure lifestyle is a rather specific one. It reminds me of a Kickstarter from probably seven or eight years ago by now, that advertised the main character being a full-figured woman. But it was a side-scroller, so it broke immersion and really did not fit the game, feeling like a forced inclusion of a heavyset character. You can't deny physics.

[@warsthemarvel8608]

Fun fact in Incredibles Bob was a little fat in the beginning and when he first fought the Syndrome droid and it was shown that he had difficulty maintaining air after running a few miles or just doing acrobatics. Heck when he spun suddenly he cracked his back and hurt himself until the droid popped it back. And later during the montage he went into heavy workout to get back into shape for field work. An animated movie from 2004 did more realism with being obese than this piece of shit ad. Coming from a guy who also has a little gut.

[@bluedragonstudios9004]

Does Dove also sell ice cream?

[@halfeimazuris6419]

"No one want fat people in gaming etc etc " Me an intellectual : playing Bob in Tekken and Goldlewis in GG Strive

[@RavenKnightYT]

Not once in the video did I say no one wants fat people in games. It depends entirely on context.

[@halfeimazuris6419]

@@RavenKnightYT That's was not for you, my bad for the missleading, but on this topic in general when those people act like there is not remarquable fat people in the game industrie.

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

We all know by now... If a game wants to feature ugly characters, they are free to do that -- and are free to experience low sales. They have NO right to complain if their sales go into the toilet.

[@drivingbritt9617]

8:08 I'm not disagreeing with you... but I've seen some heavy guys and gals who can DANCE! Hang out with some Greeks sometime and you will see huge guys cut some rug like you wouldn't believe! Of course, they tend to be wheezing afterwards, but still!

[@DrTreason]

Only in US..

[@exoboi6974]

Also my second comment on this video Dove should focus on making soaps for specific skin types as different tones have different needs not politics Also I personally am trying to gain weight specifically my goal is 200 pounds im at 190 now but cutting is going to be interesting

[@Rolf97]

I'm a short, slightly out of shape dude. How many times do you think I'm represented in media? Where's my ad, Dove?? Oh, that's right, you only want to make WOMEN feel ok with being a lard ball.

[@aaronrowell6943]

You see, a woman isn't attractive until she takes her clothes off. Thanks Dove! ^^ Also, this is Lara Croft's future. Can't wait to see body positive Laara Croft

[@chiebukachibee-zoraedu]

How overweight must someone be to be consudered unhealthy?

[@RavenKnightYT]

It depends on their height, age, and family history.

[@chiebukachibee-zoraedu]

@@RavenKnightYT example?

[@RavenKnightYT]

Someone who is 6 feet tall and weighs 240 lbs is in the category of Obese. Obesity increases risk factors of hypertension, heart problems, and liver problems.

[@chiebukachibee-zoraedu]

@@RavenKnightYT That's a relief. I'm 6'1 3/4" and I'm only 158 lbs. But is there a true difference between being overweight and (morbidly) obese? Because some people often use them interchangebly.

[@joedan5366]

Me and the homies hate critical theory

[@masisarsu]

Mf got me good with the sponsor

[@KaftarWyvern]

This is my only comment to this ad..... uuuugh....

[@laraprisma6381]

I think I'm the only one in the comments who disagrees that plus size people shouldn't be treated in such a bad way. some people are naturally overweight, and it's up to them to choose to be thinner, and some find people above average weight attractive, so it's kind of an offensive attempt to say that a person like that is ugly or unattractive because that's a matter of opinion and I really like it. and honestly, if a person is happy being fat, even if it's not healthy in my opinion, I'm not going to force them to change because I'm not an asshole. So... well, this is the first video of yours that I disagree with you, sorry, it's just my point of view. :/

[@RavenKnightYT]

You are fully allowed to have your point of view and I respect that. However, and with all due respect, where in the video did I say that fatness was ugly? I don't recall making that claim, but if I did, I'd like to apologize outright for it.

[@Ghost_in_the_Rain]

Beauty is completely subjective; I personally find thicker women more attractive than skinny women. 🤷‍♂ Everyone has different preferences and tastes when it comes to attraction, and the same is true for gaming. There is literally no issue with having diverse body types and representation in games, and citing "realism" as a reason for believing different body types shouldn't be on equal footing when it comes to a character's abilities and performance is ridiculous because -- SPOILER ALERT -- video games aren't real. 🤯 Also, to everyone equating "realistic" to "unattractive", you are laughable...

[@RavenKnightYT]

You're right, beauty is subjective, but that's why I said in the video that we expect characters who do a lot of physically impressive things (fighting, running on walls, double jumping, etc.), to be physically capable of performing them. It's not JUST about beauty standards. *"There is literally no issue with having diverse body types and represenatation in games,"* Well, not quite. It does depend highly on the type of game and the context of it. In a game set in precolonized Africa, would you like to see white and hispanics invovled? That would be more diverse, but certainly not accurate. In a game set in a setting where the world is starving to death due to lack of resources, should the main characters be overweight and clearly obese? Wouldn't make a whole lot of sense then. I mean it's not that you can't have these diverse options...but they may not work in context. *" and citing "realism" as a reason for believing different body types shouldn't be on equal footing when it comes to a character's abilities and performance is ridiculous because -- SPOILER ALERT -- video games aren't real."* I addressed this criticism already. Declaring that videogames aren't real, therefore we can do what we want with them is the ultimate cop out of someone who simply wants to see their desires on screen and damn the consequences. By that logic: I want to play a game where my human character can breathe under water for no reason....why not? It's not real. I also want to play a Call of Duty game where I can shoot lasers out of my eyes and regrow lost limbs without explanation...after all...it's not real. Sure, those are rather outlandish examples, but when you play the card of 'video games aren't real, therefore who cares about realisim,' that is the can of worms you are opening. Open at your own risk. *"Also, to everyone equating "realistic" to "unattractive", you are laughable..."* I don't think anyone is...we're not saying realistic is unattractive, but it's very clear that the folks at Dove think that way. Consider that they keep saying 'we want to support realistic body standards,' and yet every woman they choose when talking about 'realistic body standards,' is always not a very fit or well off woman. Usually they are overweight or somehow disabled. Are fit and trim women somehow not realistic? See, like you said earlier: attractiveness is a subjective issue. You may like thick girls, but many men prefer fit girls. Both extremes exist...so why is it, when people complain about 'unrealistic body types' they always point at sexy women with fit bodies, and then prop up 'realistic bodies' by pointing to the overweight women? Last point: I find it something of a double standard that if men are attracted to a fit or curvacious woman with traditionally attractive features, then that's sexist, objectifying, and evil. However, if we DON'T find the overweight woman attractive, then we're bigotted, hateful, and intolerant. It's pandering and silly.

[@olakpasa6486]

I was about to adress your criticism , but Raven has already said everything I wanted to say 20 times better than myself

[@ratxcx4721]

Firstly, Body positivity is more about "Hey just because your fat doesn't make you a lesser human being" not "promoting obesity" as everyone without critical thinking skills seems to think. Secondly, you aren't a doctor, so you cannot judge someone's health purely on appearance alone.

[@RavenKnightYT]

Firstly, if they are not promoting obesity, then why do they keep pushing the phrase 'realistic' when showing obese or overweight women? The implication is that the attractive and healthy weight women we usually see are somehow NOT 'realistic' thus it is an underhanded insult to women who care about being fit and thin and healthy, saying 'this standard is unrealistic.' They are subtly implying that overweight is natural and realistic, and thus should be further represented, while secretly shaming the high standards of a fit, healthy, and attractive body type (hence why the large poster cut out of the attractive Cinthia was knocked down at the end of the ad). Secondly, while it is true that I am not a doctor, and it's often difficult to determine accurate health issues just from a visual examination...I would argue that any doctor would agree with my statement in the video: Being overweight isn't healthy. In fact, according to most medical professionals, being overweight increases likelihood for high blood pressure, heart problems, liver conditions, certain forms of cancers, and other serious medical issues. Granted, it does not garuntee these things, but the odds of them are higher. The deflection of saying 'well you're not a doctor' means little, for if I were to actually find a doctor and ask their position on the matter, I'm quite sure they'd agree that being overweight is not ideal...which is what I said. But then again...you could just think critically about it.

[@laraprisma6381]

ok, I follow your channel very little but I have always agreed with you, but I honestly feel attacked and disappointed that you want to push beauty standards that force women to be unrealistically attractive. I think it would have been better if I had forgotten your channel, I don't hate you and I agree with several things you've already said, but honestly, being ok with toxic beauty standards is simply a no no... sorry, I hope you have a good day. Women and men don't need to be conventionally attractive to be happy. Changing your appearance and who you are to make OTHERS happy is not being honest with yourself, you should only change yourself to make YOURSELF happy, not others.

[@olakpasa6486]

You didnt finish the video , did you ?

[@Crom_Apsotle]

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