How to find Black Holes In Elite Dangerous (System Names are NOT Random)

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[@adityajoies]

I cannot thank you enough. I've been looking for advanced techniques in exploration but many videos that I find regarding exploration tips are usually targeted towards new players. Please do more of these videos, you explained it really well.

[@neototem4110]

We need a whiteboard session on this, I partially get it until the verbal explanation runs past the 3D cube diagram. The methodology for the system classifications past the sector name being tied to the succeeding alphanumeric coding structure, never thought about it until now. Definitely a useful exploration skill. It's the mention of an overlapping factor as opposed to top down grid viewing in the starmap that I'd like to get further into, hit us with the PowerPoint man that part dragged me away from the comfort of Cartesian into the parent Euclidian expanse of comprehension and being a point and go to guy, I want to keep it simple 😅 I'm trying not to count on my fingers in front everybody here, sorry lol

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

I have been learning about how the proc gen works in Elite for a very long time and have spreadsheets that would make your head spin. An interesting observation is that the game only populates the largest systems at the upper and lowermost subsectors. For example in central sectors H class systems stretch down to ~3800-3900 LY below the galactic plane, G class to ~3280 LY. You will never see D or A class systems that low. That then varies depending on where you are in the galaxy, some areas have sectors stacked 6 deep, some only 2 deep. Then you have to think about the non procedural systems too. Really a lot goes into it.

[@dagoelius]

Meta-gaming to make gameplay meta - Awesome. I think using the map effectively is the most underused and misunderstood aspect of Elite Dangerous. More of these types of vid please.

[@kevinhewitt6134]

There is a word for people like you and its "legend"

[@CMDRArsenCross]

I would love to know exactly how you came across this information.

[@potteryjoe]

Definitely will love to see that exploration video. My current method basically just involves scanning every system I stop in. If there are terraformable, earth-like, water, or ammonia worlds, I'll go map them. If it's an unmapped system, I'll map a planet & leave the rest for Commanders coming in later

[@Fresh_Baklava]

There isn’t many Advanced exploration videos out there. Thank you for sharing!!

[@thebagfather4633]

been playing elite since it was released and still learning stuff from your vids nice one have a great Christmas and new year

[@beekhool3536]

It’s very valuable information, you done such a good job to explain in interesting and simple manner! Thanks

[@patraic5241]

Very useful. Thanks. I recently joined the game with the express interest in exploring. I'll definitely be using this..

[@ssjsjb]

Awesome, I knew parts of it but not the mass or how the boxes were divided exactly and once I saw it I was like that is so cool! Thank you for the amazing video.

[@CmdrEmbryo]

I always just used the actual star view. The black holes stick out like sore thumbs.

[@dutchesselysium7356]

Yep

[@Mp57navy]

@@dutchesselysium7356 Double yep. Grey smudges. Visible across half the sector map. However, neutron stars look the same.

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@Mp57navy You can literally filter for black holes and neutron stars on the star chart lol

[@Istraton]

@@AntaresSQ01 Star chart only shows you the primary star. If you have a binary system where the primary star is more massive than a BH or neutron star companion it won't show on the star chart.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@Istraton Black holes and neutrons are heavy. So if a star is heavier, then it must be a rare big star with a class O or B (maybe A). So just extend the filter with O B stars.

[@OrderOfOmphalos]

Keep these coming! In fact, if you could do one for how to find things like wrecks and the like (new discoveries, not just going to a known one) it would be great.

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

This is an excellent description of how this works.

[@GerLeahy]

This is really cool, thanks. Great for exploration. I assume that this is an Elite reference, as I can't imagine that all the masses of all the systems are known.

[@quizengine]

Fab video Astro. I'm planning a deep space trip and this info will be very useful. Already have my FC filled to bursting with 23,000+ Tritium - just waiting for FC interiors so I can add Vista Genomics, then I'm off. REALLY looking fwd to the tips and tricks for FSSing - hoping you cover how using the data that the FSS reveals (and Orrery view?) to give hints to interesting places.

[@owlangel7234]

That exactly what I'm doing, waiting for Vista Genomics!

[@josa310]

This is brilliant, thanks Astro

[@ubermeg]

Clear as mud.

[@MaxDStark]

Okay how the hell did you read my mind. I was just thinking about how to find black holes and you come out with his video. Thank you!

[@TheHoolie86]

finally someone is picking up this topic! thank u

[@kylerhaged3476]

Wow! This is great, makes me wanna hop into my asp and fly go hunting!

[@robertbeighter6336]

Wow, you've motivated me - might fuel up the carrier & head out!

[@nicklink217]

I decided to test this out, the very first try using the trick gave me a wolf rayet

[@TheJpmuzz]

made my first trip to Colonia and found my first BlackHole. Only discovery left for my bucket list is a long lost Guardian planet

[@corruptedewok2478]

I have screen shots on my phone of systems I found interesting. Looking at them after watching this presented one or two surprises. For example there is a system between the bubble and HIP 36601 that has an A type star orbited by a black hole and a neutron star. That system is a B mass system. Being between the bubble and 36601 the region is well mapped but I still think I'm going to head out there and look around more.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

This is like when Indy realizes he figured out the correct length to the Headpiece to the Staff of Ra. 🤯 Thanks!

[@Wyrnikh]

Top 10! But do I mean the video or my comment number… We may never know

[@cmdrrubbelspritz2115]

now you're showing off Mr. Scientist :D

[@davidgouyaie8027]

Thank you!, in truth there were that recherche before .. And on my last exploration, i used it well was not quite that precise but the mass and H things was there.. And find some interesting systems, so yes its a good way to used.. 👍Thanks for details explanation this time.

[@Neo-vz8nh]

Definitly a usefull guide. Cheking every sectors AA-A H system probably reveal something interesting. However you can just simply filter black holes and neutron star in the galaxy map, as non sequence stars. This category only shows the main star. The main star is always the system heaviest, and black holes and neutrons are heavy. So if a star is more heavier, then the star must be a rare WR, O, B (maybe A for neutrons) star. So simply add O, B and Wolf Rayet to the filter too. After that, the galaxy map also show the ditalied information which type of the stars the system has.

[@fernandorodriguez8314]

I used this technique last year, exactly to find a Wolf Rayet star and get the EDSM badge... I remember I saw it in some forum post, like "Sector name" and then AA-A H* (

[@MikeTheMental]

that was very helpful a big thank you.

[@jjsoko6393]

Very useful indeed, thanks.

[@ThaumaturgistGuard]

Dunno if this bug works, but the galmap search was sort of buggy in odyssey last time I used it. If you straight up start typing a name in the search, chances are that few results or nothing will show at all. But, if you focus on a system, either by double clicking it or waiting for the camera to focus it after you select it from the search, now the search bar will work waaaaay better and will show pretty much every system that matches what you type. Pretty neat if you are on the hunt for wolf ray stars or in the rim trying to sweep for previously unnoticed systems further in the black.

[@scoopscalibur]

organization, planning, editing

[@pluxauag7555]

Great Video, keep an eye on TheWandCompany, watch maker, the Starfield watch is ready but not showcased yet.

[@maysinbell5765]

HIP systems entered the chat

[@ACorsaFahrer]

And if u type in a System Number > 2^50 you crash the game. Oh and the missing 0-[SystemNumder] is implied, if you type them out you still get the right System. Insted of AA-H15 one can also type AA-A H0-15. Also the LetterCode can overflow for example Type BA-A H0-15 and it will find a system (if a 15 exists) one 1280 further in the x-direction boxel. Basicly if whats in the Search bar is not found in a Lockuptable it will Calculate the 64bit System Address for what u typed. SystemName 64bit Address. there interchangeable.

[@Gears_ofwar]

was hoping it would crash my game but it did not :/

[@a.j.4076]

"And then the flood gates were opened, and Humanity spread throughout the Galaxy like wildfire..."

[@CelticArmory]

Wish you would have explained in the galaxy map when you pulled up the name drop down, the first part of the list just had stars next to two sets of the same name, then after 20 or so was the first system that showed a star system icon and just a single name. When I tried looking up the sector I'm running around in when I selected the names where it has a couple stars and double name, it took me to an area with no star system.

[@marcusaurelius4526]

i actually HATE this feature of Elite. it means all the nerds have basically found the biggest stars (they're all end in AA-A) simply because they guessed the naming algorithm. the game needs to be purely random, no one should have any exploration advantage because they're reverse engineered the game.

[@nickgun4153]

Maybe this method will help to track where the Stargoid is moving? Maybe see the direction vector?

[@jessmac1893]

o7 CDRE, thanks for the info

[@Zywl]

I went on a exploration tour to the other side of the galaxy recently, I was surprised to see that most insteresting heavier systems are already explored, it's almost impossible to find unexplored wolf rayet stars, blue supergiants and some red supergiants, and I was like 30.000 lys away from the bubble and colonia!

[@seralyncampbell4731]

You were probably still in the core of the galaxy. Did you try going 20k lys away and then "up" or "down", where the density gets lower? That's where people tend to not venture nearly as often.

[@Genericusername1004]

I’ve picked up elite again for flying around and trading while watching KZbin. Odyssey killed my love for it but as long as I ignore the on foot stuff it’s fine. Still hate the engineering grind though.

[@theguylevi]

This will be useful when I set out across the galaxy...lots of valuable data.

[@UltimaOmega]

I've been trying to understand some things about the procedural generation. If I understand correctly, when I jump to a system the system procedurally generates while the system loads. Here's the part I'm not sure of, is the galaxy map itself and the general location of the systems also generated on the fly when I open the galaxy map or was that part done during initial development? If that's the case I'm assuming that that part was done with some sort of automation.

[@widam]

nice!

[@tdot8280]

Nice background information :) Thanks! But whats up with the names with the star symbol on their left like PHROOE GROA AA-A H23? If i click that, it sends me just into a region with several systems with B & C mass code Systems.

[@douglasmorris8364]

Yes, Same here, A blue circle but with no system to plot a course.

[@jimmythejimjimmies5321]

This is fantastic information but I still don't see the pattern in the boxels. I'm checking out a sector, and the boxel AA-A *30 is closer to BA-A *30 than AA-A *20. This pattern returns many times in this sector. However sometimes counter examples are found. could it be that there are different overlapping boxel grids, depending on the star system?

[@dutchesselysium7356]

Interesting, Many of the Nebula have a AA-H#. So much so that I just refer to a Nebula as H50 or H89

[@StonedDead1981]

So, where would lots of ringed planets be? I haven't been looking for the biggest boxels, but paying more attention to the mass letters in systems i've been looking in. If the biggest is H, gas giants have to have some mass, so maybe D to F systems predominately, in boxels that are higher up the scale?

[@guardrailbiter]

Meanwhile, in Maine: "You can't get there from here."

[@pawemika6635]

mindblowing

[@FlecheDeFer]

Where do you even get all that information? DEA really is the only KZbinr to add in-game value for the very seasoned players...

[@doc0core]

Is there somewhere that give detail how much of ED galaxy is real, how much is "real plus" (e.g. terraformed Mars, and extra bodies in Sol) and how much is procedural-generated but based on real physics/science and how much is invented? If no one has done it, you are really best qualified to make a video for this topic. Thanks!

[@tubelessfish8673]

A code for dark matter would have been very convenient ;-)

[@el3ctr1csix22]

Boxels from voxels and every length is coming from HD-resolution 1280x720. nice to know

[@Beorninger77]

Speed and efficiency in terms of moneymaking might be good economically...but what if you want to discover hidden sites, new alien races etc.... ?

[@DowntoEarthAstronomy]

That will be in the next exploration video. Hopefully next week :)

[@Gears_ofwar]

what if there are no H class systems? does it just mean you are in the smallest boxel? Not sure if this works to well far out in the black where i am now. Im assuming its because the star density is so low there are no H class systems but i may be wrong.

[@elbone4114]

um i thought every1 already knew? ive already looked at most of the wolf rayette stars this way and to do it you go to a dark region and look at the clowdy nothingness and type in the full name of nearby stars and type HH or GG or just to be completely certain any double letters untill it sends you hundreds or thousands of ly away to a remote wolf rayette star and thats the star that used to be in that dark region its how i found BD-17

[@iqs9573]

I found a system last night, with 86 bodies in it ! Took a long time finding al the bodies. Never knew there could be as much a 86 bodies in 1 system! Went looking for raxxla. Found nothing haha

[@Azubijs22]

Oh, I found a Wolf

[@el3ctr1csix22]

And that's why it's called skybox :D

[@DirkThys]

This doesn't seem to work for the Galactic Centre region. For example EOCH BLI AA-A H0 is a star class L (brown dwarf), one of the smallest star types; and STUEMEAE AA-A H0 is a T Tauri star and not the supermassive black hole in the sector

[@klightspeed]

The mass code just gives an upper limit on what type of star will be in a system - e.g. Wolf-Rayet stars are generally only found in H mass code systems, while A mass code systems will generally only contain brown dwarfs and protostars. Black Holes and Neutron Stars are found in mass codes D through H.

[@markbooth3066]

I still don't understand how the higher orders work. JM-W f1 seems reasonable. Converting it to standard base 26 we get 1mc9, converting that to decimal we get 32769, which is one higher than 16384*2. CA-A f4 doesn't though. Converting it to standard base 26 we get 4002, converting that to decimal we get 70306, which is much higher than 16384*3+128*3+3.

[@waynestuart2755]

My head hurts. 😖

[@pawn4]

That system is located 5,900ly away from Sol

[@joeschmalhofer6109]

When I'm out exploring I have 2 modes of travel. In both modes I FSS every system I jump into. If there is TWW or ELW in the system that hadn't been DSSed by someone else then I DSS them. If I'm in exploration mode however I DSS the entire system. This allows me to do an average of 25 jumps per hour, although some of the larger systems can take as long as 3.5 hours to DSS. Doing this, I can pull in about 150-250 million credits per week.

[@piotrskalski1477]

25j/h with full dss???

[@joeschmalhofer6109]

@@piotrskalski1477 Full DSS only if there is an ELW or TWW in the system that has not been DSSed already. Aldo only about 10% of the Water World's I've seen are Terraformable.

[@piotrskalski1477]

@@joeschmalhofer6109 So when do you turn on 'exploration mode'? Is it when you jump into an interesting system, or is it for a full journey? Also, do you filter any stars or just go full random?

[@joeschmalhofer6109]

@@piotrskalski1477 I use travel mode when I'm going from the bubble to the region I will explore, once I get to the region then I switch to exploration mode. I revert back to travel mode when I leave the region and return to the bubble.

[@piotrskalski1477]

@@joeschmalhofer6109 How many ~= systems per hour do you do in exploration mode? Do you also map planets a few hundred kls away then? Thanks for the insights btw

[@shufadragon]

I would appreciate links to your sources.

[@bishopinskipp2113]

It looked as if you were referring to a mental image while explaining this to us. An animation would have helped me to understand a little more clearly. I got the broad view but didn't understand it in detail given the explanation.

[@DigThat32]

Noice

[@2bbionic]

interesting - but now I'm confused :)

[@ashleyphotog]

I think I'm more confused now

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

hip stars best stars.

[@beaglegod1]

I've searched for hours and cannot find the answer to this question. Playing Horizons on PS4 searching for LSE 239 it does not show up when searching the galaxy map. Are some systems exclusive to PC or Odyssey? I have spent far more time on Google searching for answers than actually playing this game.🥺

[@LordElathron]

This is true and not true at the same time as Elite: Dangerous seems to have different densities applied to various sectors. The AA-AH (from memory) prefix usually means “here be a massive stellar body” but there are exceptions to that rule. Where sectors get truly dense and populated, the game can actually run out of AA-AH designations as the stellar forge only counts up to AA-AH 999. Another point worthy of note is that the stellar body which gets the 00 or 01 designation isn’t always the most massive and not is the whole system itself. Generally speaking there are also areas where stellar remnants are more heavily present, the DRYI FREE and DRYI AUCS sectors are proof of this. I have more findings from EDSM which I can share; I’ve got first discoveries on pulsars (PSR J prefixes), Wolf Rayet’s, supergiants (all kinds) and all the stellar remnants & I have reliable ways to replicate all the findings 😉

[@saifulazrinfoto9993]

Cool cool cool. o7.

[@fuzzythoughts8020]

D2EA, I need your help with something. I'm playing on PS4 and the entire HIP 36601 system is bugged beyond belief. One planet had a gigantic hole in it, another has shrunk to the size of a marble, you enter landing range 400k Km up, the ground detection sensor reads the ground as 900+k km away from you at that moment. This is the crystal farm system, I can't not have access to this @_@ I will rip my hair out, I've been on a mission to max out all my material storages and I don't want to do it the old fashioned way.

[@DowntoEarthAstronomy]

If rebooting the game dose no solve it I would take some screenshot and sent them to frontier In a bug report

[@meatpops1cle]

How do I access this search screen on console? I know how to search for systems by name but it isn't a live search like this?

[@Maxxermaximus]

This new galaxy map is only available in the odyssey DLC, which is not available on console.

[@meatpops1cle]

@@Maxxermaximus Hey thanks for the reply. I need to upgrade I suppose lol.

[@potteryjoe]

OK. Ignorant of a lot of game tools, so where do I get to the page where you typed in the start of the system name and it gave you the drop-down list of systems?

[@Bigalldone]

Boxel? You sure it's not voxel!?

[@mavadelo]

I can see why you think that. The representation of voxels generally is depicted in the same way. But somehow I think fDev is indeed calling them boxels (might be inspired by voxel) as to not confuse the two.

[@Bigalldone]

@@mavadelo Cheers. However, I can't see how there could/would be any confusion as the two names describe the exact same thing - an area of 3D space.

[@DowntoEarthAstronomy]

I think originally they were named by the community when people did the original research on this topic. So everyone in the Elite community just calls them Boxel now.

[@ACorsaFahrer]

A voxel would be a Volometric pixel. Here its a place in a so called Octtree. MassCode is also not exactly right its the layer. but its it a usfull name cause its related to the given mass.

[@adrianmorris9743]

You lost me at 'A' :)

[@Mp57navy]

Easiest is to look top down on the galaxy map. At a certain zoom level, there will be a grey smudge visible at quite a distance (maybe 1500 LY). Zoom in, mark the system.

[@franticsledder]

That is for finding the brightest stars, like O classes, Wolf Rayet stars and such, not blackholes

[@marcusfranconium3392]

Its nothing new i have been mapping a sector and crossreferencing it with other systems and names that should be in one sector pup up in a totaly different sector A wredgia system name turnes up in a col sector . use sector and use AA-A H and you will find tons of black holes . This was back in june 2021.

[@mavadelo]

So... if you know this I am sure other long time explorers know this. I love exploring but knowing this I fear my chances of discovering undiscovered black holes and neutrons just went down the drain? Are there still undiscovered BH and NS? Do we know? have fDev said anything about that?

[@pandafoz9994]

There are still plenty of undiscovered black holes and neutrons. From my experience the best place to look is around the core regions and up a bit, i always seem to find loads there

[@joeparker3815]

The amount of black holes in the game is probably so large that supply of undiscovered ones will not run dry anytime soon. Maybe in a couple hundred years ...

[@DowntoEarthAstronomy]

I tried this during my livestream yesterday and I managed to find a undiscovered black hole within a few hours. So yes they are still out there. Remember less than 1% of the galaxy has been explored.

[@mavadelo]

Thank you Commanders, glad to know I can still put my mark on some of them. See you in the black o7

[@ACorsaFahrer]

Many AA-A H System have been visited but there still plenty to go for. The chances to find a NS whit this are basicly 0 I have never seen an NS i Layers G and H maybe as a secondary. WolfRayet are the ones most go for.

[@chrisdunford2346]

Absolutely as clear as mud. Sorry but all the different boxel sizes and overlaps completely lost me. I guess a black hole is AA something?

[@mesthead]

2nd

[@bobbobson304]

3rd

[@josephallen6586]

First

[@1000-THR]

if youre willing to go far then this system is cool Hypiae Aug JR-W f1-633

[@eventhorizonNZ]

Two things this info would be extra helpful with, IF a) you could enter wildcards in the search e.g. SECTORNAME ??-? H b) you could also restrict the search to