1913 Seth Thomas Model Prospect #2 Repair

[@BradfordNeedham]

An Index for this video: 0:00 - 3:04 Removing the hands, back door, and gong; Winding the springs, removing the movement from the case. 3:04 - 3:39 Examining the movement for wear; identifying a couple pivot holes that need bushing. 3:39 - 7:16 Removing the bell; Letting down the springs. 7:16 - 10:15 More disassembly; separating the plates. 10:15 - 12:35 Removing and marking (with a permanent marker) the wheels; removing the remaining parts. 12:35 - 19:19 Removing the mainsprings, using a Loop End Mainspring Winder; examining the great wheels and their clicks. 19:19 - 20:51 Results of initial cleaning; checking the pivot holes for wear. 20:51 - 30:45 Polishing the pivots and arbors, using a lathe and sanding sticks. 30:45 - 34:32 Cutting a custom bushing on the lathe. 34:32 - 42:25 Inserting and broaching new bushings; reaming using a drill press. 42:25 - 45:01 Testing the new Time and Strike side bushings; noticing a few more bushings required. 45:01 - 1:05:21 Reassembly; how the parts make the clock run. 1:05:21 - 1:09:26 Discovery that one new bushing fell out; disassembly. 1:09:26 - 1:11:43 Examining why the bushing fell out. 1:11:43 - 1:13:30 Oiling the movement. 1:13:30 - 1:17:50 Removing spring clamps; final assembly and testing. 1:17:50 - 1:18:36 Showing the repaired clock running.

[@davidmills1874]

I love your positive attitude when you found out that you had to take it back apart for that bushing

[@dperry428]

Getting upset wouldn't put it back in. Stuff happens.

[@damonleslie1]

Thanks so much. Could not have gotten all those rods back in place without this video. Reviewed it at least 5 times.

[@mantolaman]

Just received the same movement in a very similar clock to repair for a friend. Glad to know I'm not the only one that has such a pain lining everything back up to put the plates on! Excellent work! Wish I could do half as well.

[@anthonymorales7188]

Absolutely amazing!!! I appreciate everything your doing. Keep up the good work. Tony

[@dperry428]

Thank you for watching.

[@richardleland4763]

It is very refreshing and, at times, inspiring to follow so accomplished a clock repair man as he runs into some of the problems that have plagued us all. Who among us has not reached pretty far down in our vocabularies to accompany the process by which the gears are aligned between the plates? I especially appreciated the calm resignation you exhibited upon learning (after a long and arduous rebuild) that you had to take it all apart again to replace a bushing which had fallen out. I think I learned as much from your attitudes as I did from your very skillful actions. Thanks and Happy birthday to you, also.

[@dperry428]

Thank you.

[@loricastro3772]

Nice to see you working! Thanks for sharing

[@dperry428]

Thank you too!

[@hibbs79]

Truly amazing video. Great workmanship and so interesting to watch. Thank you for sharing your skills and I hope you are well.

[@richardleland4763]

Fascinating video done in real time. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@steve_22xy]

great video. loved watching the intricate work

[@dperry428]

Thank you very much!

[@sgtcote1]

Amazing craftsmanship. I applaud your patients and I hope to learn to fix my own clocks as I absolutely love collecting them. Granted I've just begun but my 2nd is a Seth Thomas Beehive and hopefully my 3rd will be an ogive mantle clock. Thanks for sharing and feel better soon.

[@dperry428]

Thanks for the comment. Best wishes for future repairs. It's a wonderful hobby.

[@OwenFromOhio]

A wonderful video I enjoyed it very much... your patience is a thing of beauty!

[@keithdoster1405]

I've never heard of applying oil with a paint brush. I like it!

[@jonwhitmore5853]

Happy 75th! 2018.. This video has restored my interest in clock repair. After dropping in on your stone fence conversion, I subscribed and now you're my favorite channel. The first clock I saw you disassemble I watched in horror as you began pulling gears off. That was before I learned of your hobby history. I've learned much from your posts and hope you keep it up for a long time. You're kinda my favorite grandpa now...

[@dperry428]

Thank you. Clocks help me get through the winter.

[@bobbycouch587]

Enjoy watching your videos, I felt your pain , I have had bushings to fall out just as I was about finished with re assembly. I m going to get a very small brush like you used , I tend to over oil even using a toothpick.

[@dperry428]

These work even better: timesavers.com/i-8950833-3-piece-dip-oiler-set.html

[@mantolaman]

Working on the same movement today. Mine is about the filthiest I've seen. Don't think it's ever been out of the case! Glad I saw how you removed the mainsprings for cleaning. I've got a Webster winder, but your method is a lot simpler for this style spring.

[@TheBlackblackblack]

Happy birthday! Thanks for the wonderful video.

[@dperry428]

Thank you.

[@irradix213]

thanks, i wondered why you turned bushings yourself and now i see

[@gkendavis54]

Hi, I think I’ve watched all of your clock repair posts. I very much admire your patience with all of the bushing replacements, polishing and measuring the pivots etc...and your machinists’ skill. I worked on food processing machinery most of my working life so some of the mechanical problems are similar and I like your success at making these little machines run like new. I have a few working old chiming clocks I purchased on eBay from Dutch and German dealers and a few cheap modern wind up clocks that need repairs. Though you have covered many of the problems associated with poor maintenance and normal wear from decades of use I haven’t found any info about escapement problems. One of my old Dutch clocks and a modern Chinese made mantle clock just won’t run consistently. The other mechanics of the clocks seem fine but they just won’t continue to run. I’m guessing it’s the anchors...but I really don’t have the experience with clocks to understand the principles or mechanics of the heart of these old mechanical gems. Thanks for sharing your experience. It has really opened the door to learning more about clock repair and maintenance. BTW, I’m 64 this’s week. Ken Davis Middlesex, Vt

[@dperry428]

Actually, unless someone has been messing with the anchor and pallets and unless there is a lot of wear in the pallets, the anchor is the last thing I'd consider a problem. Check for worn bushing, bent pivots and weak springs first. Then worry about escapement. www.abbeyclock.com/anchor.html

[@damonleslie1]

Great video. Doing my first clock, also a #2. Can't figure out where and what bushings to purchase.

[@dperry428]

Try Butterworth clocks butterworthclocks.com/ Call them up and tell Mark Butterworth you're just starting out in repair and ask him what he suggests. I know they have sets of bushings and the drills and reamers that will meet your needs. Otherwise, measure the pivot sizes on the clock that need rebushed and get a variety of sizes around those. 1mm, 1.25 mm, 1.5 mm are three that are common. Most of the plates are 1.5 mm thick, so get that thickness bushing. You can also get bushings from clock supply houses such as Timesavers, Ronell Clocks, Mile High Clocks, etc.

[@dperry428]

Also, Butterworth's user name and password are both "butterworth".

[@deniscote4466]

Do you have any new videos coming soon? I totally enjoy watching them it's help me with fixing my clocks

[@dperry428]

I'm glad you find the videos helpful. There will be a new one soon. I'm having a lot of difficulty right now getting down to my workshop. In a month or two, I hope that will be remedied.

[@deniscote4466]

@@dperry428 Thanks for your reply..I wish good health an looking forward to your next video. Take care..Denis

[@damonleslie1]

Used your video to rebuild our family clock from the 30;s. After 2 years it stays within about 1 min./week. My problem is that about every 2 months the chime stops on one of the 1/4 hour points. Most of the time it can be started again by giving it a shove with my finger, but not now. Have had it apart again, and out of the case several times, but can see no problem. Where should I look. Thanks for you great video.

[@dperry428]

With something that intermittent, it's not going to be easy to find the answer. All I can suggest is to examine each part for a burr, worn or bent wheel teeth, bent arbor or pivot, or a pivot hole that has worn. I'd run the movement on a test stand until it shows the failure and then examine closely for the point of lock up. One possibility is one or more pivot holes rebushed with the holes not centered in original position, causing mismesh in one or more wheels and pinions. Also, make sure the spring on the chime is not losing its strength. A combination of borderline spring strength and wear in the train can cause intermittent problems. Sometimes, you'll drive yourself to near-insanity finding such problems. Sorry I can't be more help than that.

[@damonleslie1]

Thanks for your advise. Seems it is time to tear down again, of just do without. But I grew up with the chime and if sounds like "home" and makes me feel safe and secure.

[@0925jcubs]

Where did u get the lathe and what do you need to make your own bushings? Ive had some clocks where i couldnt find the right sized bushings. Probably need to make them. Thanks

[@dperry428]

The lathe is from Sherline. www.sherline.com/ It can also be bought through clock supply houses and on Amazon. There are many other small lathes, some more expensive and some cheaper. The can be purchased through Amazon or at places like Harbor Freight. You'll need brass stock (round brass rod), small drill sets and the lathe tools that come with the lathe.

[@oscarbarreiro8914]

Muy buen trabajo felicitaciones

[@88pth]

Hi! I'd be interested in having the exact same clock repaired, a SM P2. It appears to be in pretty good shape, however it is missing the minute hand. What do you think? Winter is coming up, so I figured I would reach out! Thanks.

[@dperry428]

I don't know when I'll get started. Have lots to do before winter and I've got several local people to take care of with their clocks. Check back after the first snow flies.

[@ronjoiner]

Great video. I noticed in the background of one of your shots that you have a made in India mainspring box. Do you typically use Indian springs?

[@dperry428]

No, I usually use American-made or German-made springs from Timesavers or Ronell. Sometimes, though, if an oddball clock takes an unusual size spring, I have to take what I can get. This one was probably for either a 30 day Korean clock (junk) or an alarm clock that has an unusual spring size.

[@richg1221]

Good morning. I have an Elgin mantel clock. It chimes at the quarter till instead of top of the hour. What is the fix? Please

[@dperry428]

Remove the minute hand, rotate it a quarter turn and reinstall.

[@richg1221]

@@dperry428 of course (forehead slap) Thank you

[@davidrobinson4118]

Absolutely fascinating. One hour and eighteen minutes just flew by. As a total newbie to this 'art' I have to say that when you where describing how all the levers and cams work on the strike side my brain turned to mush! I was wondering how these were put together at the factory. Did one person do all the assembling or was there some kind of assembly line going on? I would love to see a film of the assembly at the factory. Do you know if any exists? Oh, just had a thought, I'll search KZbin and see if anything pops up. Thank you for a brilliant video. Regards from the U.K.

[@dperry428]

Clocks like this one were made long before videos were available, but here is a video of how modern cuckoo clock mechanisms are assembled. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4vMgWZpgLWnrq8

[@CaptRon817]

by chance, are you still doing this and if so may I send you one for repair...I am to old and shaky for this but i have a 89 movement in need of repair. Thanks

[@dperry428]

I do repairs during the winter only. Contact me after the first snow flies by leaving a comment with an email address. I hold comments for review and can then delete them without publication.

[@ronaldsassi9480]

I LIKE THE LITTLE DIALOG.....

[@roadsterquarterly]

This is the second of your videos I am watching and have started cleaning and possible repair of a Gilbert mantel clock. I have a jewelers sonic cleaner I bought on Amazon. What do you use for a liquid/cleaner? Do you use anything else after the sonic cleaner like a polish? Thanks!

[@dperry428]

This is what I've used for many years: www.merritts.com/merritts/public/product.aspx?ProductID=89329 This is followed by a rinse in hot water, Then thorough drying. Parts that can't be dried easily, like cuckoo chain wheels, are then rinsed in acetone or 95% isopropyl alcohol. If brass parts are stained, I polish with this: www.amazon.com/TR-INDUSTRIES-GG-1-Gel-Gloss-Protector/dp/B000LNQ83O?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffnt-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000LNQ83O After polishing with a brush, it is allowed to dry and residue is removed with a clean bush and polishing cloth, then blown with air.

[@kevinshomaker5558]

Thank you.

[@seanmooney3907]

Hello, I noticed you marked the gears with sharpie. Great Idea! I am wondering, if the marker made it through the cleaning how do you remove it when the job is finished? I have learned a lot by watching you. I do thank you for sharing your knowledge. You seem to have the patience of Job. Of course editing can help with that! All the best, Sean

[@dperry428]

I mark the pivot holes and gear wheels when I'm checking for wear so that, when the movement is apart, I can easily see which side of the hole is the unworn side to file for evening the wear to make the reamer find true center. I mark each wheel on the side that faces the front of the movement so I know, when I'm bushing which pivot goes with each hole and I"m fitting the correct wheel. Yes, most of the marker comes off while cleaning. Keeping the wheels separated by train function (Time, Strike, Chime and Motion) makes reassembly easy as the wheels only fit one way and it's pretty easy to tell what goes where. Any marker that makes it through the ultrasonic cleaning is simply removed with a little acetone and cotton swab. I work on clocks because I enjoy bringing them back to working condition. I can have patience and take my sweet time because it is not a business and I don't have to worry about the "time is money" part of running a business. Yes, there are times when I edit out an in appropriate epithet which comes when pinch a finger in a pliers, stab myself with the end of a broach, or can't find a screw that I've dropped on the floor. Because I do this for pleasure and to relax, if I find that I'm losing patience, I just stop, go back upstairs and do something else. My eyes get tired, too, so I may spend a week or more on a clock. If you watch a video carefully, you'll see I'm wearing different clothing while working on the same clock. I may only work for an hour or less and stop or, if I'm really on top of things, I may work so long in the evening that I suddenly realize the sun is coming up. I don't have to make money doing this so, when it's no longer enjoyable, it's time to quit.

[@Vercus100]

At 45:00 I see you installing the count wheel. I know this sounds terrible, but if you wanted to prank someone, could you theoretically install the count wheel backwards and have it count the hours in reverse? LOL.

[@dperry428]

Seems it has happened. Look here: clockinfo.com/posts/5605

[@dewuknowofHyMn]

I have a sessions kinda like that and cannot find info on it...do u have a email ?

[@АндрейКузьминов-м7т]

хорошая работа мастера !!(294)

[@dperry428]

Спасибо

[@christopheromeara689]

What did you do with the click rivet?

[@dperry428]

Used a small anvil and flat staking punch to tighten it.

[@roadrunner6372]

Thanks..... beside clasic music would be good :)......

[@ПашаПитецкий]

Ви є майстер

[@dperry428]

Thank you.

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