Dr. Becca Kennedy, MD: The Way Out of ME/CFS and Long Covid

In this video, Dr. Rebecca Kennedy, MD, talks about how Neural Reprocessing Therapy offers a promising approach to treating ME/CFS and Long Covid, highlighting the role of the nervous system and the scientific principles supporting recovery.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 🤝 Meet Dr. Rebecca Kennedy, MD
01:25 👋 Why Medical System Can't Help A Lot of Patients
03:12 👩🏻‍🦰 The Role of Dr. Schubiner's Work
05:21 💫 It's Not the Patient's Job to Figure It All Out
06:50 🌟 The Only Thing that Makes Sense
09:02 🧠 Dr. Kennedy's Approach to Long Covid
12:18 🌒 What Keeps Her Up At Night
13:31 ✅ The Results's She's Seeing
15:16 🔬 Grounded in Latest Science
16:30 👩‍⚕️ What Deeply Concerns Her
17:25 🌟 The Solution Is Counterintuitive
20:25 🤔 Why We Can't Get There by Just Thinking
24:20 🧠 Changing the Neural Pathways
26:14 🔭 Understanding Science Comes First
27:51 👏 Why Meditation Is Not Enough
30:25 💊 Modern Medicine Invalidates CFS Patients
32:05 ⚗️ Dr. Kennedy's Online Class
33:17 📚 Free Resources
34:02 🛣️ Why It's Not Mainstream Medicine Yet
36:00 🧪 When All Testing Comes Back Normal
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[@kristinae.7084]

WOW, a doctor who actually educates herself about chronic conditions and WANTS to work with us?? In 20 years with ME/CFS and seeing dozens of practitioners, I have never met a doctor like that.

[@B3l0v3d05]

She's been amazing to work with

[@ratfacekick]

There are thousands of doctors who LOVE working with desperate patients willing to give every cent they have, especially when their treatments don't work and you can milk them for a long time

[@luxsjiujitsuchannel3576]

My take is that in many cases there IS something wrong in the body but that by putting our nervous system into rest and digest we give ourselves a much better chance to heal and get back to homeostasis. Very much a believer in this type of work. 👏

[@nellwellhealth1800]

I agree. I haven't watched the whole interview but it seems like they're saying it's all just a perception by the brain. I don't agree with that at all. I agree with you in that there is something wrong with the body. The nervous system is over taxed by stress, trauma, viral infections, concussions etc. and the body gets into a defensive mode and shuts everything down in order to recover. It could be that at a later point one becomes scared to slowly start to get back into the real world, but I do believe there is a mechanism that the body is going by in order to protect itself from damage.

[@taragunn9400]

Yes! My take on it too. Mild cfs here before vax created a storm in my body. Now NS stuck and brain also stuck. This side of it harder to understand and easier for people to think it means ‘just think happy thoughts’ - also let’s not fob off the impacts of viruses etc

[@kaseyahlstrom9189]

We also know that a lot of people with me/cfs DO have actual structural damage if you look at the right tests- CCI, tethered cord, weak connective tissue caused by MCAS from viruses and hypermobility. I think there is a place for autonomic reconditioning, but it usually isn’t the WHOLE picture

[@roonbooks3227]

I kept thinking, because I got sick in a motel room in 1981 that I lived in for 6 months that used a well for a water source. Fast forward to now....I just found out my home town of Saskatoon,saskatchewan, Canada has high levels of lead in the city water supply...higher than Flint Michigan!! No wonder I flunked gr 7 and gr 9 and dropped out of school. I too believe there is still a common denominator that the science hasn't found ...YET. I think my hunch lies in vaccines. One look at gulf war illness...yes ,the soldiers were subjected to high levels of burning oil wells etc. ...BUT....they were also given up to 15 or more vaccines. As you may know...gulf war illness is sooo much the same symptoms as ME/CFS.

[@lynb87]

​@@kaseyahlstrom9189yes! They're now finding differences in muscles, mitochondria and immune cells! But the autonomic immune system and digestive system are connected to the other systems and we have more immediate control over them than the others.

[@alexandrecouture2462]

6:00 Absolutely agree. When I first went to a doctor, because I was feeling unwell, I thought he would come up with a plan, a solution, but instead I got nothing else than a big bill. I had to find solutions myself.

[@ICanThrive]

Very refreshing to hear that some doctors are now embracing this information, the realization of how powerful our minds are and how profoundly healing deep relaxation, brain retraining and habits / lifestyle change can be in not only getting fully better but becoming a even better healthier version of you!! Loved every moment of that, great interview Raelan and Rebecca, well done!!

[@germanside7890]

I guess the storm is all about becoming a better version of our self!

[@ICanThrive]

You nailed it! absolutely it is@@germanside7890

[@sarahstewart1531]

I'm taking Dr. Kennedy's Long Covid course right now and it's been the last key to get me to full recovery- she's amazing

[@Nonessential888]

Thank God Dr. Kennedy had the courage and integrity to leave her practice with Kaiser to develop real cures for her patients! She is a pioneer and a true healer. 🙏

[@AliWade1971]

Wow. I am in tears. Wonderful to hear a doctor talking so much sense.

[@lynda5333]

The "Lords prayer" will dial down the fear. I had insomnia at 8 yrs old and my Dad taught me the Lords prayer. From that evening on i realized that i could slept and I had a heavenly Father that would keep me safe. I'm 70 now and still love the Lords Prayer.

[@SaltyBibleCracker]

💯 Amen! I love hearing how your dad taught you that. I’m an ex-new ager who was well meaning but lost & deceived. There’s nothing better than the comfort & safety found in God’s grace, mercy & love… and salvation through Jesus by he did on the cross for us to pay the debt of our sins. Eternal security in this fallen world is priceless. ✝️🙏🏻💟

[@lynda5333]

I still do the Lords Prayer to settle down.

[@chi2boca44]

That's a good one. i have another verse that I recite in my head to calm me down. Works really well!

[@legohouse4819]

I used the Serenity Prayer ALL THE TIME during my long covid recovery. Totally agree!

[@FRL2445]

This is my doctor!! Dr. Kennedy is amazing:)

[@Nonessential888]

This is so clearly explained. A relatively new concept and Dr. Kennedy explains it perfectly. She brings the concepts to the layman so well. A great communicator! Thank you so much.

[@markplane4581]

Thank you so much for this interview! This has become my go-to channel for actionable intel on Long COVID. I can see a path forward based on what Dr. Kennedy described (and it's a joyful, peaceful path). I'm also finding the Curable app to be a useful, low-cost tool. Thanks for introducing that to us as well. I've gotten more from this podcast in a couple of weeks than I've gotten from the medical establishment in over a year. Your work here is truly a gift.

[@legohouse4819]

Watch Dan Buglio on KZbin as well. Amazing info that helped me heal from long covid

[@jvvallie]

I have been to so many doctors and they all say the same thing. "Well, we just don't understand Long Covid." AHHH, it drives me crazy every time I hear that. Its nice to see a doctor who is saying something different.

[@germanside7890]

And that they say its all in your head drives me crazy, even telling hypochondria.

[@jvvallie]

I know right@@germanside7890

[@loveishappiness7330]

Get the book medical medium - he understands how to heal and hundreds of thousands have. Read the amazon reviews!🙏

[@jvvallie]

Thanks for the combat. I got that book early on and tried everything. It was good, but it didn't take care of the problem, sadly. @@loveishappiness7330

[@maryr7593]

Start reading the research papers about covid and long covid. This gives you more understanding than drs have....(Those drs haven't bothered to look at the research.) It may not have treatments but most research papers try to answer questions...trying to understand the disease. Many academic research papers have free access. If not, click around til you find free access. Google scholar should have info too.

[@nolamayer4101]

Wow, what an exceptional, empathetic women!! To be so totally devoted actually had me fighting back tears . After nearly dying from the vaccine as well as having long term CFS ,Covid 3x and Long Covid there is understandably a fear factor in me. Thank you both so much from the bottom of my heart as what I have further learnt from this interview will help my brain retraining I’m presently doing. “ Bit by bit “

[@RaelanAgle]

❤️❤️❤️

[@brendabrenner2891]

I am same.. just starting w this blog.. it's gold🙏❤️

[@nolamayer4101]

Good luck Brenda, there is so much out there these days to be able to help ourselves Raelan has so many wonderful interviews where you can learn a lot, just go easy so you don’t get overwhelmed with all the information 🥰@@brendabrenner2891

[@mirandaandrea8215]

The vaccine has caused huge harm to many!! Wishing you better!

[@nolamayer4101]

Many thanks 🥰@@mirandaandrea8215

[@healingjourney722]

Such a brilliant interview. Dr Kennedy has such a clear way of explaining these concepts. This is what I’m using to recover from long covid with POTS and PEM etc since 2020. I’m making great progress!!

[@stevebarlow1959]

I listen to this with such mixed emotions. Relieved and encouraged that medical pioneers like Dr Kennedy are really putting it out there in terms of new discoveries, revelations and research while at the same time depressed and frustrated that in the UK at least, there remains a culture of dismissing and gas-lighting patients like myself with no mention or knowledge of any of these new developments. It is like inhabiting an alternate reality which is why like so many, I see this channel as a real life-saver and beacon of hope and possibility. I hope you realise just how essential your work is, Raelan and how you shine a light in the darkness for so many like myself. So so grateful.

[@RaelanAgle]

So happy to hear you found this useful, Steve! Fingers crossed you take these insights and jump into an happier and brighter part of your journey ❤️❤️

[@AliWade1971]

I am in the UK too and don't see doctors unless it is an acute problem. It was this channel that introduced me to the possibility of recovery, and I chose ANS Rewire. After 7 weeks I am back out running after a 19 year break with delightful Fibromyalgia and CFS 🙂

[@stevebarlow1959]

​@@AliWade1971 I think we're singing from the same song sheet, as they say. I learnt very early on not to do the 'head against a brick wall' thing with the NHS, my GP or neurologist. And interestingly, I'm two thirds through ANS Rewire as we speak but I would have heard of none of these possibilities without Raelan and if I could give her a dame-hood I would! Wonderful to hear you are rising above and doing so well.

[@jog5289]

@@AliWade1971 Wow, Ali! Congrats! Thanks for sharing this!

[@jog5289]

@@stevebarlow1959 Yes, it was Raelan who introduced me to the idea of actually recovering too. I agree, she deserves a Dame-hood! She's a real heroine! Are you making any improvements doing ANS Rewire?

[@barbarateresarhiannonsreal1756]

Doctors are learning to help us. Prayers!🎉

[@millie5501]

What a beautiful, genuine, intelligent woman! Thanks so much Raelan for inviting such a precious gem on your channel. I was with you on wanting to hug her! She just exuded empathy and hope!

[@user-kq7ks5dn6j]

I did the Be Your Own Medicine course with Rebecca Tolin and it uses all the techniques discussed here. We even had a Q and A session with Dr Rebecca Kennedy as part of the course! This approach is working for me!

[@delitecreative]

Thanks for sharing. Are you seeing improvements? How long did it take?

[@user-kq7ks5dn6j]

@@delitecreative I have been slowly, slowly improving for about 5 months now. All the progress has been going up.

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

What exactly does that treatment entail?

[@DaimonosUlv]

​@@tanyawieczorek6603 exactly my question!

[@rebeccatolinmind-bodycoach]

@user-kq7ks5dn6j What fantastic news! I'm so happy that you're making such progress after taking my Be Your Own Medicine program! Slow, steady progress is the most lasting kind. Keep at it, my friend! To those who asked about my Be Your Own Medicine program, it's a mind-body recovery program. We use neuroscience, somatic meditations, brain retraining, nervous system regulation, emotional processing, graded exposure and other techniques to recover from Long Covid, ME/CFS and other symptoms. You can learn more on my website (which is my name) or watch Raelan's interviews with me! Indeed, I do feature guest experts like Dr. Kennedy!

[@mgsBicycleO9]

Refreshing to hear doctors validate this whole nervous system approach. Especially now with the amount of recovery programs out there. We really just need the right information from a trustworthy source.

[@PD-vs7vf]

In my opinion it IS the body because I believe it's metabolic. 28 years of severe ME/CFS suffering. Bedridden for most of my life. More than 10 years of rehab. With every type of therapy imaginable. I'd just have to live with it. Changed my diet. Now I have a better quality of life. I want to become a coach so that I can help others, so they don't have to go through the same hell I went through. Imo, this doctor, though well intended, might not to understand ME/CFS/LC to a deeper degree. Her theory of the unconscious brain is old theory, but from my 28 years of experience with many of my peers nowhere close to high success rate.

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

So what was the biggest thing that helped you heal? How much improvement have you had?

[@pradyumnnahata9665]

@@sjwells04Okay… then what do they have if not ME/CFS? They have all the same symptoms. I am sure there is no one-size-fits-all approach to recovery but what pushes you to make this categorization? I’m curious.

[@katydonna6015]

​@@sjwells04speaking of invalidating. Wow. When they say rest. It's not overnight. The healing from rest comes from years of healing and in small increments. Resting is not only physical, its the mental rest and emotional rest aswell, it's a battle. Please don't invalidate others, especially not after complaining that someone else is a little.

[@edunsavage]

thanks Raelan, had my first consultation with Dr Kennedy two weeks ago. Very special person. Hoping for the best.

[@jessicanilsson2437]

Were are she location

[@edunsavage]

Portland Oregon

[@jessicanilsson2437]

Thanks ! Do you got help is is medication or what

[@Shannon_Robbie]

What did she say?

[@mpcu225]

Post-Exertional Neuroimmune Exhaustion (PENE) is a neuroimmunological response of the body to exercise that is characteristic of ME. It can follow even low levels of physical, cognitive or sensory stress because the body is unable to provide enough energy on demand. PENE manifests itself in an aggravation of the basic symptoms, which can occur immediately after exertion, but also after a delay of days. Recovery time varies depending on the level of illness and from person to person. It usually lasts more than a day and can last for weeks. Any deterioration in condition can be the new baseline condition. The PENE manifests itself in proportion to the exertion, i.e. the heavier the exertion, the greater the subsequent aggravation of symptoms. You fulfill the PENE if you feel noticeably worse than usual after a day in which you were more active than usual. The deterioration is not only expressed in exhaustion, but also in symptoms such as pain, difficulty concentrating, sensitivity to light, noise, smells and chemicals, flu-like symptoms or other neuroimmunological symptoms.

[@jillyclay1402]

Great explanation 👏

[@Mindfuljourneywithme111]

It was such a gift when I got sick as I reevaluated my whole life. The way I had been living (in survival) for a long time created the symptoms as I lived in fear. I used dr joe dispenza and Wim hof to calm everything back down. Takes time but we are meant to heal ourselves and these illnesses allow us to learn now 🙏

[@roonbooks3227]

And who's responsible for putting fear into us? One look at the fake news tells of stories made up to put fear in us all.

[@user-kq7ks5dn6j]

Thank you both! You are saving lives!!

[@beverleylewis469]

Thank you both so so much! This is our lives and the help and validation means everything 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@markleonard4452]

One of the best interviews to date! Though, the recovery stories hit different too !

[@garyanderson5446]

Grateful to these two incredible hearts serving and healing the world of chronic suffering!

[@aileenscott4277]

Thank you Raelan and Dr Kennedy for a great interview. I have listened to some podcasts by Dr Howard Schubiner but how you explain whats going on is much more understandable (to my brain anyway)!so thank you. Thank you for saying that as a patient its not my job to figure out whats going on, which is what have been doing for the past 3 years+ with long covid.

[@elizabethbarker5364]

Fantastic interview ❤️ A doctor full of compassion and true wisdom!

[@hilarysidwell8302]

Loved this interview. I cried with relief at hearing a medical doctor so clearly explaining the scientific basis for the mind body model. I will listen again. Thank you. ❤

[@jog5289]

Love this interview! Dr Rebecca Kennedy and Raelan are the super stars of this Chronic Illness world! ✨🌟✨ Many thanks to you both! Appreciate the links to the studies, Raelan! 💛🧡💜

[@RaelanAgle]

Aw so sweet of you to say!! Thanks for sharing and I'm glad you found this helpful

[@briechilli4496]

Wonderful talk. Thank you.

[@lesliec8069]

Thank you.

[@pathiggins6513]

Thank you❤

[@hawkarae]

Thank you. ❤

[@alexandrecouture2462]

Every Monday, we have our free recovery program, with Raelan Agle and the CFS Health Podcast!

[@juliegoff1731]

I’m curious if Sarah Myhill would agree w this .She is very much in the belief that our mitochondria ,the powerhouses In our cells are dysfunctional.and I believe I have dysfunctional mitochondria.but I also believe it’s very possible I have central nevetous system dysfunction.Ive just never heard dr myhill talk about cfs from this angle and I so respect dr myhill

[@alexandrecouture2462]

@@juliegoff1731 Why are you writing a totally unrelated answer here? Spam?

[@sadnagoso-yn6iz]

Thank you Raelan god bless you 🙏🏾

[@gregschmelzle8227]

Such a great video Raelan! Dr. Becca Kennedy makes it very easy to understand! Now I just need patience with the process!

[@monnmar1]

WOW YES!!!! This is the best interview. How great to hear her mention that some just had the vaccine and had these issues -me and many others fall into this category and have been so desperate for answers in healing - so this is sooooo helpful

[@markherhold3800]

WOW... a doctor that gets it...

[@mirandaandrea8215]

This doctor is a rare breed, she’s broken out of the mould! I don’t agree entirely with , getting better is just the doctors job though! I believe we all are responsible for educating ourselves, being our own advocates, taking control to feel empowered! I have learnt much over the years and if I’d listened to doctors would be medicated up to my eyeballs! I take no pharmaceuticals and have taken charge of myself! There is hope for everyone and Raelan you are inspiring!

[@mirandaandrea8215]

The missing link for me has been understanding the nervous system!! Game changer! I recommend learning as much as you can on this! Deb Dana (book) How To Befriend Your Nervous System is a good start! Polyvagal Theory ! Dysregulated nervous system makes complete sense!

[@aidandavis4047]

Wonderful video!

[@Jolei33]

I suffered with bouts of CFS for 4 years. After Covid my son and I went downhill slowly. We both continued to get worse and worse until we found mold in our apartment and heavy doses of EMF from a bunch of smart meters. Once we moved out and implemented a mold detox we have slowly improved over the last 9 months. We are both almost back to normal. Sometimes this can be triggered by environmental toxins and not some spontaneous disease. Relieving the stressors, no matter where it’s coming from is necessary for healing. There is a lack of awareness is the most important part of finding a road to healing.

[@MsSpook14]

So what you are saying is you can cure people with severe ME by changing their mindset. People are dying of ME. Leaks have been found in the blood brain barrier in long covid patients. So much research is coming out showing brain injury in these patients. Positivity does not cure brain injury. It may make you feel more cheerful but its very doubtful it’s a cure. Is this treatment free or is this a sales pitch ? If it’s a cure, help the dying for free!

[@rainbowwarrier1469]

🎯

[@legohouse4819]

Maybe consider that this works for some but not for others. It has worked brilliantly for me and I had severe brain fog and neurological symptoms of long covid. It's so much more than positive thinking. Be open minded. This approach is helping so many people.

[@alicequayle4625]

I think a mind body approach can help, in conjunction with appropriate treatment. There's a thorough Nature article on the physiological effects and symptoms of Long Covid. I think a mind body approach can help healing. But most people I know who are recovering are using a combination. The spike protein disrupts acetylcholine receptors and gut dysbiosis disrupts neurotransmitters like serotonin... these are two physical reasons for nervous system dysregulation that can be addressed.

[@michellemajek1553]

Loved this interview ❤

[@CryptoKaiser]

I am using low dose nicotine patches for some time now, which make a difference. Nicotine is said to block the nicotine receptors of the nervous system making it hard for any Pathogens like the virus to get active. Also Nicotine restores a very important anti inflammatory pathway in your vagus nerve. PEM got better, walking is easier. Mood is a lot better. Relaxation is a lot better.

[@feliciabarnwell4129]

I enjoyed this content thank you abd Rebecca

[@lindascott7644]

❤ Awesome Interview.. Thank you so much for sharing and getting this information out there..

[@mathildelonborg]

This is such a fantastic interview and it really made it click for me. Dr. Kennedy has a KZbin channel where she goes more in depth with this and I highly recommend watching it.

[@zeusthegreek4664]

Great video. 🙏🏽

[@bouncehousesoforangecounty9811]

Amazing ❤

[@katedunn9900]

I did the lightning process and it is the biggest mistake I've made. I was gaslighted into believing I wasn't really ill, it's been 13 years now and I'm still not back to the level of health i had before doing it. Brain retraining doesn't work for many people.

[@nancyblake1679]

Good on you to point out the dangers of the terrible ‘Lightning Process’, which has damaged so many with ME/CFS, especially children ‘treated’ by the clinic in Bristol.

[@nektariosandmagdalena4985]

​@@nancyblake1679 plz tell me im suffering and was looking into the lightning process

[@lkececi7513]

What is the actual treatment, noone has said yet!!!!!

[@germanside7890]

The treatment is, teaching your brain that you are save. A brain retraining program.

[@AnneAlready]

She mentions pain reprocessing therapy (aka neural reprocessing therapy). Howard Schubiner's free course is linked in the show notes.

[@renaissance5300]

not saying much about anything. nice ladies but it is nice to be on videos real ego boost but didnot help anyone

[@passepartur]

This video made my day❤ Thank you Raylan, thanks to you I am so full of hope and are slowly getting better🥰 I watch every video, an this is my favorite ☺️

[@RaelanAgle]

Much appreciated, Passepartur! ❤️❤️❤️

[@NicolaClarke-ey9nf]

Just when I was feeling so helpless , after having another set back, this video has given me hope and the strength to go on. I am going to recover and know that these set backs are part of the journey. It is so easy to start to overdo things once you are feeling a little better. So I must learn to walk before I can run again.

[@RaelanAgle]

You've got this, Nicola! 🧡 🧡

[@grahamkeil2253]

Thanks

[@RaelanAgle]

Much appreciated, Graham! ❤️❤️

[@-Stella-Maris-]

Before I retired, as a manual therapist I studied the "pain in the brain" models of Lorimer Moseley and David Butler. This was in the context of acute-turned-chronic musculoskeletal pain and recovery. I'd like to say they do have some application -- acute muscle pain can chronify and widen into regional pain syndromes, physically changing both facilitating and dampening nociception pathways in the spinal cord and brain. This can also involve inflammatory markers at the original site of injury and beyond. But this is a very specific pain processing model. It does have demonstrated value for some chronic musculoskeletal pain patients, but it does not begin to explain all the effects of frank insult to the body from -- for example -- viral infections. As a tool, "brain retraining" may be quite helpful. There's no harm in trying it out. But it's not, and never was, a one-size-fits-all model, and is more likely (imo) to emerge as one potential approach in a larger toolkit.

[@wzupppp]

She gets it

[@jayverasummer]

“If seventeen things don’t work, try the eighteenth.” What a beautiful message of hope. ❤

[@RaelanAgle]

So true! 🧡 🧡

[@beverlyhelm5287]

Exactly what I thought!

[@MrKelso85]

Raelan is absolutely right , like this post for example if you felt you were dying or going to die at LEAST once…

[@HollyFurgason]

A little more than half way in and this makes so much sense and here's why- I used to suffer from severe anxiety until I found a method that used behavior (I'm a canine behaviorist so that caught my attention) to let the primitive brain know that the anxiety wasn't needed as opposed to telling the brain through relaxation, centering etc. In three days, I was living normally again and in 3 months, I was over my anxiety completely. Now, I'm dealing with long COVID and can't wait to try this.

[@jog5289]

Thanks for sharing. Can you please tell us what this behaviour method is?

[@HollyFurgason]

@@jog5289 I don't think it has a name and there seemed to be a lot of people using it but I wrote the steps and the way I used them. This is from a pdf that I created- 1. Welcome- there is no reason to fear anxiety. Realize that your anxiety is trying to help you by doing its job keeping you safe. Your job is going to be to let your anxiety know that its services are not needed. Welcome your anxiety to change your anxiety. 2. Separate- when anxiety or panic strike, you must remind yourself that your anxiety and panic are not you. It is the reaction of the primitive part of your brain. You can separate yourself from it and put the modern brain in control very easily by recognizing that it’s just the primitive part of your brain causing your anxiety. 3. Challenge- Once you acknowledge your primitive brain is creating anxiety and panic, you need to start teaching it that it’s not needed and you will be safe and secure without its help. You do this by staying where you are and challenge your anxiety to do its worst. Remember, anxiety and panic can't kill you. Take each feeling as it comes and let your anxiety to make it as bad as possible. Allow yourself to feel nauseated, to faint or to have a heart attack. Allow your heart race faster, your throat to close up, your heart to burst out of your chest. Allow yourself to feel faint or even like you're going to die- remember that anxiety and panic can't kill you. It’s not easy but you need to hold steady and encourage those feelings until they start to subside. 4. Enjoy- After the feelings of anxiety start to pass, reward yourself and your modern brain by doing something enjoyable. It could be as simple as going back to what you were doing but, whatever it is, you want to get your mind off the anxiety and back onto something positive. 5. Intensify- As you gain control over your primitive brain and its anxious reactions, you have to continue the lessons by putting yourself in more and more situations where you would normally feel anxiety or experience panic to work the Control Process. You should be making the situations more intense too. In the beginning, it may mean putting on clothes that were a problem before or not opening a door that is causing anxiety but you want to find situations that would have been even more difficult for you to handle before you understood how to deal with your anxiety. Eventually, you’ll need to move on to more and more difficult situations. Whether you’re afraid of traffic, elevators or even flying, you need to start finding opportunities to experience them and work through them.

[@HollyFurgason]

@@jog5289 It doesn't have a name that I know of and there were lots of people who had made videos about it when I was looking. Here's the steps that I wrote down- The following are the steps to the Control Process- 1. Welcome- there is no reason to fear anxiety. Realize that your anxiety is trying to help you by doing its job keeping you safe. Your job is going to be to let your anxiety know that its services are not needed. Welcome your anxiety to change your anxiety. 2. Separate- when anxiety or panic strike, you must remind yourself that your anxiety and panic are not you. It is the reaction of the primitive part of your brain. You can separate yourself from it and put the modern brain in control very easily by recognizing that it’s just the primitive part of your brain causing your anxiety. 3. Challenge- Once you acknowledge your primitive brain is creating anxiety and panic, you need to start teaching it that it’s not needed and you will be safe and secure without its help. You do this by staying where you are and either silently and allow your anxiety to do its worst. Take each feeling as it comes and allow to become as bad as possible. Allow yourself to feel nauseated, like your going to faint or have a heart attack. Feel your heart race faster, your throat close up, your heart feeling like it's going to burst out of your chest. Let yourself feel like your going to die because anxiety and panic can't kill you. It’s not easy but you need to hold steady and encourage those feelings until they start to subside. (contued)

[@HollyFurgason]

@@jog5289 4. Enjoy- After the feelings of anxiety start to pass, reward yourself and your modern brain by doing something enjoyable. It could be as simple as going back to what you were doing but, whatever it is, you want to get your mind off the anxiety and back onto something positive. 5. Intensify- As you gain control over your primitive brain and its anxious reactions, you have to continue the lessons by putting yourself in more and more situations where you would normally feel anxiety or experience panic to work the Control Process. You should be making the situations more intense too. In the beginning, it may mean putting on clothes that were a problem before or not opening a door that is causing anxiety but you want to find situations that would have been even more difficult for you to handle before you understood how to deal with your anxiety. Eventually, you’ll need to move on to more and more difficult situations. Whether you’re afraid of traffic, elevators or even flying, you need to start finding opportunities to experience them and work through them.

[@HollyFurgason]

@@jog5289 I've posted it twice but it seems to have been removed both times. Oh, well.

[@alexandrecouture2462]

It's funny to call "New Medicine" the principles that Sarno was applying half a century ago, but yes, medical world is a bit slow.

[@beverlyhelm5287]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@richardmock3198]

Your going to have get her on again 😊awesome 😁👍

[@RaelanAgle]

That's the plan! ❤️❤️

[@jeanniecampbell1374]

i AGREE WE HAVE TO DIG DEEPER , INVESTIGATE AND EXPERIMENT .

[@deborahjenkins4434]

I loved watching this video. More validation. I am so on this page, but still struggling with the fine balancing act of doing vs doing too much. Can't quite find my pathway out. Or, maybe I am on it, it's just slower than I like!!

[@honorburza9110]

27:01 highlights it very well

[@mirandaandrea8215]

This doctor is clearly an empath, so kind and compassionate, sadly totally lacking in, many doctors who are shut down and just following the script!

[@HeavenShallTremble]

These interviews start to feel like advertisements for services and not as new strategies at getting back to full health. I take a lot of notes on these interviews and my notes at 25 minutes are Dr. Schubiners Work is used here. Neural Reprocessing Therapy Retraining the Nervous system Moving will help but it needs to be within the right mindset. A sense of ease and safety and joy. A feedback lookp needs to be created to feed that back to the brain. Wow, stuff I heard like in 10 interviews. A little more depth would be nice.

[@LydiaNorris]

get a free consultation , she can't treat everyone from a small interview , every person is different

[@legohouse4819]

Read dr. Schubiner's book. It's very detailed. Also Alan gordon's The Way Out is very good also and would fill in a lot of gaps for you

[@IronicUseOfElectrons]

In my bizarre journey with LC what I found very strange is that the first thing suggested to me by my doctors was olfactory training which is a form of brain training but they stopped there and went a lot of medical tangents after that.

[@jog5289]

Interesting. I hope you can find the right path for your healing.

[@forisma]

35:50 the testing is normal. Earlier in the interview it's been said that a lot of processes in the body change and the tests are not normal after all. It's the wrong things that are being tested. I think it's important to mention this.

[@andrewstrakele6815]

I agree. They are just performing the wrong tests. Dr.Bruce Patterson has developed a new diagnostic test measuring specific cytokine levels. He claims he can differentiate between Long COVID from acute infection, Long COVID from vaccine, and CFS/ME. Patterson believes the symptoms of these diseases result from inflammation of the blood vessels of the Brain. Specific Immune System Cytokines result in the different symptoms. He has developed a 6 week treatment protocol based on Cytokine Antagonists that has recently been accepted by Insurance Companies.

[@brendabrenner2891]

Agree 💯.. all my tests from. PCP are Normal" that because we don't have the right TRSTS, nor the updated machines to " see" clots, brain damage, etc.. mt Sinai , top clinics do.. my neuro is sending me fir an MRI, but will show nothing, as not hi tech .. continual merry go round🙏❤️

[@HealwithLiz]

@@brendabrenner2891 Hey Brenda, if you're not seeing someone who has expertise in success rates for ME/CFS or Long Covid, then I question the benefit of spending your morning or afternoon in an MRI tube getting your brain scanned. Also, I question the benefit of looking for damage all together, because it won't likely inform treatment just scare you or make you feel like you wasted your time. There is no magical healing pill if one would have damage. I've yet to see any recovery stories out of Mt. Sinai, but perhaps there are. That said I agree with @Forisma as many people with ME/CFS and Long Covid are helped by thorough functional tests, that might reveal other things like heavy metal exposure, mold exposure, and severe vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I myself was helped by finding I had severely low Vitamin D, low Magnesium RBC, results from a Genova GI effects test, and a urine test revealed 107 times the safe limit of exposure to a mycotoxin produced by a certain species of mold later found throughout my house (the lab was called Great Plains Lab and is called Mosaic). My PCP found nothing and just weighed me and also brushed off my EBV acute reading. That said to ultimately get better (beyond leaving moldy house, getting more sunlight / Vit D and Mg), the stuff that Dr. Kennedy is talking about was what helped heal me. The neuroplasticity / nervous system work and lifestyle stuff. I did not spend the rest of my life getting vitamin IVs in the functional medicine clinic or go down many rabbit holes you can go there, I chose to focus on truly healing the root, my nervous system.

[@fannieschannel5451]

How is this different from the graded exercise which ruined my life for years? I’m seriously asking, not critiquing.

[@briechilli4496]

Raelan I wonder if clinical hypnotherapy would help ? Can you do an interview at some point on this ?

[@davec3568]

With LC the whole thing is kicked off by a viral infection which damages any cell with ACE2 receptors, afaik. We've seen nerve damage in the form of smell, taste and hearing (I have tinnitus caused by covid). So it makes sense the nervous system would be attacked in other ways. Nerve damage is going to take some time to heal, but the symptoms caused by the damaged nervous system prevent healing. I've found anything that reduces stress on the body will result in space for the body to heal, so you hear of extremely variable success stories. People are affected differently so something that works for one person may not work for all. I disagree with the assertion the body is fine, the virus has potential to cause real damage, and there may be some forms of viral persistence, which isn't at all uncommon. Even doctors that fully deny long covid is real have some amount of success diagnosing it as anxiety and treating it as such.

[@legohouse4819]

I've treated my long covid like extreme anxiety and this has worked forbme

[@brendagold7832]

I just recently found your channel. Thank you so much for all that you do. Can you tell me if this brain training, nervous system regulating stuff can help people who do have tests that come back positive with Diagnoses or do have damage? Will it still work or help some?

[@gittebukhpedersen72]

This makes me cry. And make me Want to study medicine. Kind regards Long covid +2 years

[@deelicious1610]

Medical gaslighting is still alive and well. 😢 I suspect it’s an ego defense mechanism when they have no clue how to help.

[@mcars100]

They can’t acknowledge the non liable experimental emergency authorisation(no three states of clinical trials)Genetic jab.I really hope you get better but you have to be looking in the right place

[@genevievebaril4746]

As an md even if I’d like to implement this I would not be allowed by my medical college. I fully believe in it and it breaks my heart I am not allowed to use it

[@deelicious1610]

@@genevievebaril4746 Thanks! I am now getting the help I need after over 40 years. 🙏🙏🙏

[@deelicious1610]

@@genevievebaril4746 That’s disheartening. Like so many institutions, the medical system needs a massive transformation. Whatever happened to First do no harm? That’s a rhetorical question. I am glad there are doctors like you who are at least aware of the limitations in the current approach to chronic conditions.

[@Hrothgar2010]

13 minites in, and you still haven't actually said what this "real information" is.

[@maybee9274]

17 minutes in and I still don't know what the hell is the program.

[@tangodancerSFO2010]

Raelan that sweater is so beautiful and cool! :-D

[@rsalbatros]

Awesome Interview ❤❤❤ It's perfectly explained!

[@PillePalle-qu8pi]

Would the GPCR autoantibodies against the adronerge ß1 and ẞ2 receptors of the autonomous nervous system that are found with most of long covid and me/cfs patients also be considered downstream effects rather than causing the symptoms and condition?

[@432hzlovefrequency-truthinside]

Long COVID feel like Symptoms ---- Extreme tiredness (fatigue) feeling short of breath. problems with your memory and concentration ("brain fog") heart palpitations. What 3 systems help maintain homeostasis. The human body maintains stability or homeostasis through the coordinated work of all organ systems, regulated by the nervous and endocrine systems. Homeostasis involves constant adjustments to maintain a stable internal environment, with examples including the respiratory, excretory, and endocrine systems. Biological homeostasis is the ability to maintain relative stability and function as changes occur in the internal or external environment. Organisms are viable under a relatively narrow set of conditions. Examples of homeostasis include the regulation of body temperature, and the balance between acidity and alkalinity. It is a process that maintains the stability of the organism's internal environment in response to fluctuations in external environmental conditions. Three examples of homeostasis are: Body temperature regulation. Blood pressure regulation. Blood sugar regulation. Homeostasis is not static and unvarying; it is a dynamic process that can change internal conditions as required to survive external challenges. What happens when homeostasis Cannot be restored? Sometimes, however, the mechanisms fail. When they do, cells may not get everything they need, or toxic wastes may accumulate in the body. If homeostasis is not restored, the imbalance may lead to disease or even death. How do I get my body back to homeostasis ---- Modifiable lifestyle habits such as diet, exercise, sleep and stress management greatly impact homeostasis and overall metabolic health. Measuring blood glucose levels can provide insights into your body's response to different stimuli. Adopting healthier habits can improve metabolic health and conditions like PCOS. What diseases affect homeostasis? Diabetes, a metabolic disorder caused by excess blood glucose levels, is a key example of disease caused by failed homeostasis. In ideal circumstances, homeostatic control mechanisms should prevent this imbalance from occurring.

[@sirenagarrido3836]

My life changed for the worse after developing long COVID symptoms and being alone is much harder I had COVID 10 days after the first vaccine I have all the symptoms on the world the one that make sleepless is developing chronic dehydration my body doesn’te absorb water not matter the how many cups with electrolytes and still feel super dry and no one believe me because my blood work said I am fine not matters what I keep saying the kept saying my health is very healthy

[@bertramhall6131]

Interesting discussion but the question still remains. What is it about the Covid virus and/or the vaccine that has caused the mal functioning of the sub conscious brain? And why do only some people get Long Covid, specifically among highly active people. Most people have had many types of infections but not ended up getting long Covid. In short, something altered the nervous system or brain, but what is or was the trigger?

[@MariaSotiropoulou88]

I guess active people carry certain behaviours and personality patterns (overachievers, people pleasers, perfectionists etc) which keep them in a chronic stress cycle. Covid or other viruses cause another stressor on the body on top of the many other existing stressors which ultimately lead to the ongoing activation of danger signals by the brain and these chronic conditions. I hope that helps.

[@MsSpook14]

Research is showing a leak in the blood brain barrier, think it was done in Ireland on long Covid’s patients. It could explain the cognitive dysfunction, due to the area of the brain that is damaged

[@Yentl-gx2cm]

My question too, because I know friends that are more people pleasers, overarchievers and perfectionists than me and don’t get long covid. I’m even pretty laid back and still long covid. There had to be a genetic component in getting long covid. I believe in all the nervous system stuff but it’s still strange that some people get it and some not. I wonder why.

[@alicequayle4625]

​@@Yentl-gx2cm I think you are right about genetics. I had my genetics done and it came back that Im more prone to inflammation and break adrenoline down quite slowly which presumably means I tend to sympathetic.

[@alicequayle4625]

​@@Yentl-gx2cm... also my detox and energy pathways are a bit rickety not functioning great. Ive noticed that some other people with long covid had symptoms before the illness like Intolerance to chemicals and mcas symptoms.

[@lynb87]

Definitely something missing from this explanation. I've been nearly better more than once, felt no fear at all about activity and have relapsed when I did too much. Moving when still unwell goes very much against my experience.

[@catdavisphoto5319]

I've experienced exactly the same thing. When I'm not flaring, I totally forget that I ever had an issue and I happily go about my life. I'm doing some of this brain retraining at the moment and I'm hoping that the answer is that although my conscious brain wasn't fearful anymore, my subconscious got triggered by the exercise. Who knows...

[@loveishappiness7330]

Anthony William - medical medium books are a must for anyone with chronic fatigue and chronic health conditions 🙏

[@DCGreenZone]

Palmitoylethanolamide, Immunoseb/Immunbio, Lipoic Acid, CoQ10. Found on the National Institutes of Health.

[@DaveEdmonds-wp6ue]

This sounds like a load of shit to me I’ve been feeling like hell since February of 2023, I was trying a lot of vitamin b12 and D3 that didn’t seem to help much, now I’m trying NAC, Quercetin/with Bromelaine and Nattokinase. But I will try to do more exercise thank you.

[@Ytdeletesallmycomments]

Fasting works for me and low histamine food

[@dawnsummers6189]

Please research anything by David Putrino of Mt Sinai. You could have PEM and graded exercise could be dangerous for you. I've had LC for 4 years.

[@user-sp8lf3kq1x]

I have a chronic fever with the long covid. How would this help? I do understand where she is coming from!

[@legohouse4819]

Noticing a lot of negative and skeptical comments in this thread. It's really ok for there to be many approaches to these conditions. Some work for some while others need something else. It should come as no surprise that the nervous system when highly dysregulated can produce dozens of symptoms. This doesn't mean it's "all in our heads" . It's all real. But for quite a few of us it isn't about a damaged body. Maybe it is for some but certainly not all. I am almost 100 percent recovered from a hellish experience of long covid using these methods. And it can be very cheap or even free. Dan Buglio and Jim prussack have incredible KZbin videos that honestly is all anyone needs. All free. The curable app is very low cost. Please don't discount this approach wholesale. All the folks for which this has worked at not lying.

[@RaelanAgle]

Well said, Legohouse! Much appreciated 🧡 🧡

[@rainbowwarrier1469]

Google PENE and PEM! 99% of all doctors have no idea of what it is about. I always bring my papers with me to every doctor, and until today ( since 2010 ) I found ONE doctor who knows about it it’s just incredibly what a nice feeling! I found a doctor who knows my illness!

[@MelissaMcCulloch-if5cg]

I agree with you and would love to hear more bai it your recovery!

[@dawnsummers6189]

I went to Mayo Jax KNOWING I had LC. Was sent by neurologist there to 20 specialists before someone referred me to the LC Clinic. Was dx LC by the LC director Munipalli. Did the 2 day orientation only to find that

[@elliekirk6001]

What about older ppl & everybody’s NMN energy cells damage ! Etc ?????

[@decafmocha211]

I have had Long Covid for 3 years. I don't understand this. Can someone explain it to me ?

[@dawnsummers6189]

That I had to attend a 30 day outpatient program based in PT, meditation, Mediterranean diet, life coaching. All of which i had been doing on my own. No trials, autoimmune viral persistence, no info on PEM. So frustrating. Just like this video...DNSR won't fix POTS, Viral persistence, microclotting. Ugh. Almost a million in insurance claims later. Mayo NO HELP for me. Sad. I've had LC for 4 years.

[@Sender1257]

The brain training may be beneficial for some, but it isn’t universal for everyone. It is a good idea to avoid being dogmatic concerning recovery, everyone will follow a different path. The top-down approach may not help some, but that doesn’t invalidate those sufferers who followed her methods and improved

[@slaveamanahilova2475]

So, how can we learn what is the way to heal?

[@dawnsummers6189]

How does this "brain retraining" work on Viral persistence and microclotting??? Both of which I have

[@kristinbrennenstuhl6520]

Would the eye movement therapy be something that would help?

[@Ytdeletesallmycomments]

Nope

[@jackiebarry6891]

Mine started November 2020 post Covid. Going on 4 years of yo-yo healing from relapses via virus or vaccine. My Dr is supportive but does not really get the whole picture.