Dr Jordan Grant discusses your Testosterone Doses and Levels

Dr Jordan Grant discusses the results of the polls we had in our TRT and Hormone optimization community on this youtube channel and in our Facebook group.
0:00 intro
0:20 What is your weekly dose of testosterone on which you feel optimized?
5:01 What is your daily dose of compounded testosterone cream on which you feel optimized?
7:50 Does dr Grant recommend the transscrotal testosterone cream?
9:51 What is your measured total testosterone level at which you feel optimized?
14:27 What is your FREE testosterone level at which you feel optimized?
18:32 Low libido on TRT: what to do?
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[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

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[@Total_Body_Fitness_USA]

What I've learned is to always make sure you optimize your thyroid function FIRST before going on TRT. I was hyperthyroid and for the life of me could not figure out why I could inject 30mg 2x per week and have my total T at 2000. My SHBG was through the roof at 152 and sure enough after checking thyroid function my free T4 was 4.4 and my free T3 was 15 which is 4X above the high end of the normal range. Yes, I was experiencing all kinds of anxiety, fast resting heart rate, and feeling hot. I lost 13 pounds in 2 weeks before I pin pointed what the heck was going on. Oh, I was also doing HCG 300iu 3x weekly and turns out HCG can mimic TSH and stimulate thyroid production. In my case though, I have 2 tiny nodules on my thyroid that the endocrinologist thinks is stimulating production. So, sorry for blabbing, but my whole point is this. If you notice that you have an elevated SHBG, check your thyroid function and just don't brush it off as getting older or having liver issues. I'm 58 and that's exactly what I did despite all my liver tests coming back normal. So, I just chalked it up as getting older and blew it off until one morning I woke up with a resting heart rate of 120bpm and then drove pretty fast to the ER where they found the thyroid problem. Pay attention to your body and don't ignore how you feel. Great video!

[@budprepper3811]

My doctor freaked out with my total at 1400. She admits she doesn't know anything about it. Now she reduced it. I'm sick of these doctors that don't know anything . . .

[@kschrop]

Same thing just happened to me the other day! mine was 1100 and also have a female PA telling me I need to cut my dose. I had a male PA before her for 2 years that was also on TRT that understood numbers do not matter as long as my labs look good, That's the ticket. nothing against female clinicians however they have no clue and will stick to numbers only... As long as your labs look good, stick with what's best for you! All the best man 💪

[@APR702]

The free t to estrogen ratio is the only thing that matters . Along side shbg and H&H . Total is pretty much ancillary

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@budprepper3811 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!

[@daviddavid1057]

​​@@APR702 And what exactly should the ratio be between estrogen and free T?

[@Systemlord30]

I’m on Jatenzo @ 237 mg twice daily, peak 988 and trough 264, all within a 12 hour period. I once accidentally took two doses in the morning and was way stronger in the gym, got a 1052 at 5 hours, exactly double my norm. Doctors won’t allow it because HCT is already 51%. I’ve had my HCT at 57% and no issues at all, felt great. As far as high Hematocrit, doctors are always sighting harm done by diseases that cause high hematocrit. I purpose it’s the disease causing the harm, not the high hematocrit numbers.

[@jsweetness5]

Dr. Grant and Dr. Nichols are legends.

[@TjRonin]

Great video & breakdown appreciate your work

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Thanks for watching!! Enjoy your weekend!

[@Rickmaki]

Great Video Steven !!! Very Informative..

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Thanks 👍 Enjoy your weekend!

[@nt3523]

I've learned more from this channel and a guy that used to be here than anywhere. Dose is irrelevant. My doc started me at 200 mgs a week. I was 220lbs, 6'2". My total T went over 2000. Free was 57. E2 was 82. I felt like crap. Anxiety so bad I could barely function. Now my dose is 98 mgs a week and that puts me at 1100 total, 21 free. Way better.

[@APR702]

Crazy how bad overdosed feels almost like being low does

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@nt3523 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!

[@killerb5726]

Thanks for sharing. I’m starting next week and the doctor is starting me at 100mgs a week and I’m instantly thinking it’s not enough. Glad to finally hear someone that was put on too much to start.

[@nt3523]

@@killerb5726 All I can tell you is be patient. Give it 8 weeks on your dose. Don't expect instant results. It might get worse before it gets better. And remember that imbalance causes side effects, not certain levels. Good luck.

[@killerb5726]

@@nt3523 Thanks!

[@abcdefgh4404]

Congrats both of you for this excellent podcast 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@abcdefgh4404 Thank you *so much* !

[@mikewilliams2112]

You guys are great!!! Please keep TRT out there, thank you so much! And for those who bad mouth the cream, it works incredibly for me!

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Thanks for sharing!!

[@lilesmw]

Thank you very helpful as a new HRT man

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Glad to hear it! Enjoy your weekend!

[@dlloydy5356]

Great info & conversation. Easy to follow the open ‘expert’. Not too defensive as others can be. Easy to listen to Jordan. In my view he cares about the right things.

[@liftingdermatologist]

100%

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@dlloydy5356 Thank you *so much* ! Enjoy your weekend!

[@jsweetness5]

The most important and impactful thing he said was focusing on your marriage. Focusing on each other and investing in each other will help your sex life.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

100% Enjoy your weekend!

[@davidboyle1193]

​@TRTandHormoneOptimization I take 1ml per week is that to much

[@daviddavid1057]

Great stuff, thank you so much guys! 👍🏻

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Glad you enjoyed it! Enjoy your weekend!

[@daviddavid1057]

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Jullie ook!👋🏻

[@mikeyoung1002]

Excellent content ; suggestions and recommendations. I’m 52 and have been on TRT for 2 years and my dose has been reduced ; because I changed my lifestyle and diet !!! I went from 100mg/wk to almost half - 60mg/wk. my total T is 747 ng/dl. Nutritional foods ; organic ; grass fed; and avoid plastics.

[@zmb5501]

Impressive

[@WJHandyDad]

great stuff as always!

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Appreciate that !

[@eddiebyrd7128]

Thank you Dr Devos for your dedication to educating us on trt and hormone optimization.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

It's my pleasure! Enjoy your weekend!

[@mattmason4589]

Godsend😊

[@scooodlescorn4070]

I have been on TRT for 14 months now. I research all the time, because I just want to optimize how I feel. This is the best, most informative, video I have seen yet. Thank you so much!

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Great to hear!

[@A_Walk_In_Their_Shoes]

After 1 year on injections with a doc who has not dod labs once...I'm ready to start cream and do my own labs.

[@user-rk9wk5uo2h]

Dr grant was my doctor when he lived in Louisiana. Was a breath of fresh air after dealing with practitioners for years that didn’t understand treatment. I’m curious about his switch to topical as he said it made him feel better and reduced “brain fog”. I’m currently in a total of 130 mg per week injectable split in 3 doses. Was wondering if he uses a compounded cream or switched to something like androgel. Also, does he have a conversion in swapping from injectable to topical that actually seems to be comparable.

[@marshallsaltzman9924]

He’s definitely talking about compounded cream, gel barely does anything

[@mariusradulescu2431]

Well, my total T was like ~340 ng/dL and I barely hit ~570 ng/dL with Nebido (4ml per month). Now switched to Sustanon 1ml / week and will do a new test soon to check my levels.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@mariusradulescu2431 Thank you for sharing!

[@darrinuhl8103]

Hi Dr Devos. Can you tell me how up to date is your e-book “The Ultimate Guide to Cream”? Are there newer cream products available (such as 300mg, etc.) that did not make it into the book? Thanks, Darrin

[@RickyRyan]

Interesting how everything Jordan says makes him feel better on the cream was the opposite for me. When I switched to injection I got better clarity, sleep and steady energy. As he says, everyone is different.

[@brianfenech10]

Just a note that if one is on HCG that will raise their testosterone slightly so in the end they might get away with a lower TRT does.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Good point

[@krane15]

Well I can't get the cream. All my doctor says is the Androgel or injections. Does anybody find relief from the gel? Is there a percentage of the whole for its effectiveness? Anyway, that's what I chose for the first quarter which starts this week. I had to go through 5 doctors just to get that far. Not sure what the big deal is. Great discussion.

[@joeblow9548]

I have periferal artery disease in my legs is test going to affect this in any way

[@chrisl2285]

Dr. Grant is awesome! He started me on the cream with 2 clicks in the morning and if I wanted to try it, one click in the evening. Unfortunately, the cream didn't agree with me and left me with a raw and chapped ass. :(

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@chrisl2285 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!

[@dcoello6930]

what is your clinic?

[@doctorstrange69]

I'm dating a young lady half my age with a high libido and mine went through the roof.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@doctorstrange69 Thank you for sharing! 😎👍

[@counterbalancelife4305]

The most common cause of low libido in older men is older women.

[@wellscraft]

My Endo prescribed my 80mg a week and my blood levels average 550 to 600. I asked him if I could try 100mg a week and he said it was risky. It sounds like most guys get prescribed a lot more. Anyone know a doctor in the Dayton Ohio area that is more in line with you guys?

[@PauloTravels]

Unfortunatelly cream didn't work for me. I take 400mg daily, 4 pumps a day and my free T is 22 ng/L and I feel angry a lot, but no other benefit, and it's expensive in Canada to stay in the long term.

[@brianpulley8652]

So I'm 52 and train 3 to 4 days a week and my test results came back at total 454mg/dl and free at 16.1ng/dl and the lab is say my free is high....smh I've felt like 💩 for the past 4 years living off caffeine and energy drinks forcing myself to train.

[@music-writinglife1813]

I'm on 5ml which I guess is 50mg ??? once a week, My numbers are from memory 569 and I feel good started at 239 I would like to see 700-900 I'm 67 yrs old, after my next check and I'm still in the 500's I might talk to the Doc about going to 100mg

[@johnsonville1brats]

using 50mg in the am and 50mg in pm trans scrotal 20% compounded cream my total is around 700 ng/dl and free T is 173 2 hrs after application. I live at high elevation 11,000 feet and my hematocrit was getting too high around 60. I'm trying to find the lowest effective dose. Has anyone taken only 1 dose a day as opposed to 2. I worry that the half life is so short that only one dose would have my levels too low before my next dose.

[@quantumfx2677]

If the cream wasn't so expensive I would use it. Testosterone is so cheap the mark up is insane.

[@OGAesthetics]

Whats jordans full trt protocol?

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Come into the FB group and post and tag Jordan.

[@marcusaurelius5576]

I'm 65 and on 160 mg test cyp per week 80mg twice a week. Also hcg twice a week. 1035 total test 222 free test. Feel great but BP a bit high and libido very Inconsistent. Why is libido not so good and not holding an erection for long even on Cialis. ? Thick blood high BP ?

[@marshallsaltzman9924]

Increase frequency. What is your hcg dose?

[@Larsonaut]

What is 2 clicks of cream in mg testosterone? That was not well explained

[@tariqramadan1521]

I made the mistake i drew blood after the shot my level was 1506 ng dl

[@tariqramadan1521]

Like 2 days after the shot

[@tariqramadan1521]

@mff1308 hi I took 0.5 ml and my age is 33 but took the blood test 2 days after injection

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

@tariqramadan1521 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!

[@Dave_Bee]

Doc what about the minority of men that don’t aromatize enough on trt ? For example on 175mg per week my e2 is 11. Total t was 880 day 6 post injection. Should I just crank my dose up ?

[@quantumfx2677]

Are you splitting up that dose to twice a week?

[@Dave_Bee]

@@quantumfx2677 I’ve actually gone back to once a week now .

[@Godsillah88]

could be a copper deficiency

[@Dave_Bee]

@@Godsillah88 I’ll be sure to check that, I was supplementing with zinc regularly which depletes copper , but recently stopped taking it so we’ll see if it gets better .

[@marshallsaltzman9924]

Is that during your peak or trough?

[@malekmalek9064]

👍

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Fijne zondag!

[@malekmalek9064]

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization jij ook makker

[@Mark-nx7mr]

50 MG is not low .

[@bogse]

You are talking about injecting 1 or twice a week or even every day. What about Nebido, is that total BS since injected like every 3 months?

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Most experts here agraa on at least twice a week injections. We did 2 videos on Nebido: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ21ZJVpgsx9msksi=htUF4HkZXW7BVt5K and kzbin.info/www/bejne/naKUp4lsf6enfq8si=IaL626wMYk_ERwyW

[@bogse]

Thanks man!@@TRTandHormoneOptimization

[@benjaminshuetrim9874]

Is Dr Devos only on TRT? 😂

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Yes, I am. Compounded 20% T cream 2x2click daily The muscle comes from genetics+33 years of working out (I was muscular way before TRT)

[@benjaminshuetrim9874]

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Thank you Sir!

[@torusuniverse]

A doctor that dosen't undestand chemistry...

[@marshallsaltzman9924]

Care to elaborate?

[@dawnforsey1]

Just looking for a explanation, if there is one 🫣 I'm 56 on 50mg every 5days. All my blood tests are within normal limits except LDL cholesterol 5.46mmol/L. Libido is fine but erections are bad. doctor wanted to put me on a statin. Can anyone give me some advice or point me in the right direction of information 🙏 thanks in advance

[@brianm7402]

That's a pretty small dose IMO. What is your total and free test levels?