Dr. Oz | S11 | Ep 67 | Jon Gosselin Reveals What Happened with Kate and Their 8 Kids | Full Episode

Dr. Oz | S11 | Ep 67 | Jon Gosselin Reveals What Happened with Kate and Their 8 Kids | Full Episode
In this episode, join Dr. Oz as he has a one-to-one conversation with Jon Gosselin, the familiar face from "Jon and Kate Plus 8", who breaks his silence after a ten-year gag order. Delve deep as he addresses the swirling accusations of infidelity, abandonment, and alleged child abuse.
Additionally, in a heart-wrenching segment, the Unabomber's own brother shares the emotional journey and the compelling reasons that led him to turn in his sibling to the authorities.
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[@klynn1744]

I think the majority of us saw through Kate’s narcissistic behavior. And we knew Jon was abused by her. He was not the villain from day one.

[@mel7688]

100%

[@Mrs.LadeyBug]

Yes. And I did not watch a single episode of her show.

[@chrispleasantable]

No he was not! He was just looking out for the well-being of the children and Kate only saw the benefits of being famous

[@mommasonthemove9144]

The NETWORK made Jon the villain. Those of us who could think for ourselves saw the real problem.

[@rocksanscatliffe974]

Baloney

[@sooper109]

That's right, momma!

[@blueskiesarelovely]

Yep..I never once saw him as the villain.

[@kjpiper8398]

Kate was brutal to John I not only felt badly for him, I was embarrassed for him.

[@donnasantamaria8317]

She was brutal to him and Colin too. And that was in front of the cameras. Can you imagine what went on behind closed doors?

[@Mel-fe8db]

She as a terrible person to everyone including the kids.

[@loveylove337]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[@kristencobb230]

It was hard to watch! 😮 I finally stopped.

[@heatherparrish1751]

so true!

[@julianne8645]

Kate always treated John badly, shouting at him in the middle of stores or when they were having a day out with the kids, she tried to make him look a fool, but to me she always looked like the idiot.

[@michelegagnon8203]

I always felt so sad by the way Kate treated Jon on the show. It’s obvious he is the sane one in this. ❤

[@tammythomas5692]

I always thought if she was so incredibly awful to him when she knew she was being filmed how bad must it have been in private? She screamed at him for BREATHING!

[@ME-gz8yi]

Is this Dr. Oz episode old or current? I never saw the Gosselin show but when it was being hyped I thought who on earth would want to be filmed 24/7?! Just being aware of it in the most peripheral way, I recall thinking of Jon as lazy bro type. Btw, Jon was very frank about Kate and I wonder if the Narcissistic Personality Disorder is her actual diagnosis... either way it will be interesting to see if there's a defamation lawsuit in the pipeline. If not, then you know it is true. On another note, the network made $186M per season?!!! I pray the kids have trust funds out of that because Jon said he went bankrupt. I wonder how much Kate made/has. I read a headline just this morning saying she is living in a mansion by herself and all the kids moved out. I loved the Unabomber brother, what a great man plus I always thought his was the biggest hand in re-habbing the FBI's reputation.

[@samg873]

I'll never forget episode they were buying beds for the six littles or maybe just the twins. Kate said I want them to have trundle beds. Jon said we're done having kids. Omg the look on Kate's face you can tell she was mad

[@stepoff1277]

I remember that episode. I couldn't believe it. I wanted to cry for him. I might have, in fact. It was terrible.

[@annwithaplan9766]

@@ME-gz8yi - It might be older. I just saw a clip of an 8 month old video in my feed with his son in it, named: Collin Gosselin Addresses Being Institutionalized Twice.

[@Shawn-hg3gb]

@@samg873Interesting he said that because was the one who kept asking for more kids and she said she was happy with the two girls.

[@laurajeanalicea]

The closing advice from Dr. Oz at the end of the interview was inappropriate at best, and dangerous at worst. No engagement with an abuser, under any circumstances, is advisable.

[@janelane1912]

I think it was dr. oz's way of saying, 'Jon lets not pretend you're totally innocent in all of this, you need to take personal responsibility for his own actions that could have been better as well.' The whole segment was jon villainizing kate (which I agree she was the bulk of the problem) but there's two adults and even if TLC had more of kates back, jon still had inappropriate relationships with the nanny, stripping ect. and not pushing harder to see his kids/have relationships with his kids.

[@erinkitner7978]

@janelane1912 How do you know how much he pushed to see his kids? Kate was a nightmare of a narcissist & completely trashed Jon's character to the world before he ever went to a strip club & the allegations you're making about the nanny. Did Jon say he had a relationship with the nanny? If he did, it's probably bc of the hell he was living in & her seeing first hand & being someone he could talk to who truly understood. Idk bc I don't know that for a fact. While I don't approve of strip clubs, there are so many men & women that go to those. You can't judge him if you don't know all of the things that truly went on behind closed doors. Kate showed her a$$ publicly enough to be judged. She's the worst kind of parent & partner. Ugh, just vile. I'm sure Jon was overwhelmed by her since he wasn't really a down & dirty fighter & she got all of the money from TLC to pay for high priced lawyers, while he did not.

[@khendrix82]

She was so verbally abusive to him. I always felt so bad for him. She humiliated him all the time on tv and was mean to her kids!

[@dawnmaiorano8421]

Listen to him speak he’s not selfish really ???? You don’t even see your kids

[@Bonsai525]

It was so obvious on their show. I used to yell at the TV telling Jon to speak up! She was so rude to him.

[@Cat-qo3ht]

I don't think Dr. Oz needed to give his advice at the end of his interview. Jon said they go to family therapy, his own therapy and he's doing his best with what he has to work with. No one can make another person do anything. Jon has never been able to make Kate do anything. I believe Jon is doing his part and has learned alot. I don't feel as if Dr. Oz really validated or commended Jon for the positives he is doing with himself and his kids. Funny that Dr. Oz said "never heard before" information from Jon but I've heard/watched his interviews from the recent past and I knew everything he said in this interview. Nothing new. I'm glad for Jon having a good life now.

[@amberhuff9810]

I'll never forget the episode where she asked Jon to quit breathing. My mouth dropped!

[@sarahmarie2911]

Kate just said to Jon what we all think, but never say out loud... 🤣🤣🤣

[@judyreimers1900]

​@@sarahmarie2911😡😡😡

[@getmeouttatennessee4473]

​@@sarahmarie2911Hey Kate.

[@chrispleasantable]

If I heard Kate say that to Jon I would tell her to shut up

[@KateSannicksLerner]

Sorry, Dr. Oz, you gave poor advice. Jon is right; there is no co-parenting to be done if one of the parents is unwilling or incapable for whatever reason. Additionally, we can't be sure that Kate has NPD since we only have Jon's word for it, but I can tell you for certain that you CANNOT co-parent with a narcissist.

[@Allisoninspirations]

You cannot coparent with crazy! My kids need at least one emotionally well parent and I can be that by having boundaries and not have a coparenting relationship with my ex. They want to control everything and are very toxic. Instead you parallel parent. If you don't know that term, just look it up. Most people who have not dealt with a narcissist have no clue the destruction they cause. You cannot continue feeding their narcissistic supply. Set boundaries and stick to them. Your kids will be ok.

[@Flmom]

Amen… Parallel parenting is the only way to parent with a narcissist. Dr. Oz needs to look up the word and read up on it.

[@deborahsuhr6746]

Yes, surprised that Dr. Oz thinks that John can do anything different from what he’s doing. The thing with NPD is that the person affected usually isn’t officially diagnosed because they have to recognize they have a problem to begin with and a narcissist won’t ever do that.

[@ameliasr3404]

Dr Oz, you can do parent with crazy. You obviously never watched their show. Get. Ack to us once you have watched all the episodes

[@lafabricadebodas]

toxic positivity

[@erinhubbard5487]

I think it is unfair for Dr Oz to say that Jon isn’t providing a sense of safety in how he is dealing with Kate. Has this man not done everything in his power to be civil , to be an active parent, to be involved? At what point does continuing to bow to Kate and whatever ideology she comes up with that particular day become enough! I think walking away yet having the door always open for his kids is 100% fair and really all he could do when dealing with narcissism . I felt bad for Jon being criticized yet again for cutting off this woman in an act of self Perseverance by Dr Oz .

[@getmeouttatennessee4473]

Ole Oz has proven time and again that quackery is involved. His advice has been questionable at best, dangerous at it's worst.

[@amazingsylvie1474]

Plot twist. Dr. Oz is narcissistic.

[@caroldurham893]

I agree wholeheartedly!

[@caroldurham893]

I agree wholeheartedly!

[@CaminDaR]

Yea what the hell was that advice? Hey yea lets go back to the terrorist and negotiate something... Worst advice on the planet

[@cricket71617]

I always thought she was a narcissist. Kate ALWAYS had to have complete control. I feel bad for him. I feel worse for their son, it's crazy how he was institutionalized for 3 years and now he's thriving and has come so far. These kids need love! She is money hungry and a total bish.

[@elizabeths113]

Kate is the one that should have been Put in an institution.

[@Earthy-Artist]

So thankful Collin is thriving now the power of love is amazing! Collin is a strong young man, and wow straight A's!

[@LifeinCalifornia2003]

We women do that for our children, families and future because we organize and think better. But some of us do not know how to do this in a polite or friendly manner...

[@angelabrolund1373]

When she lost her show, she was so concerned about how she was going to make money. Here is a hint, get a regular job like everyone else. I am pretty sure there are a lot of people who have a lot of children.

[@Thatsswell-hr9ev]

​@elizabeths113 She found a legal path to abuse her son. But Collin is strong and she didn't break him. When he was an 18 year old 12th grader he got his own apartment,worked full-time and STILL managed to excel in school. He was so busy that he barely slept. And Kate had the audacity to say he that he was a very troubled young man who has violent outbursts. She refused to speak to him since he was 12. She knows nothing about him!

[@prettymarsh]

I never liked Kate. She was crazy, controlling. John has always been quiet, and he just wants what’s best for his children

[@juanitagonzalez4022]

I remember how John was very passive on the show. I am so happy for you John, how you are able to use your voice for your son. God Bless y’all. What Dr Oz says at the end, how do you work with a narcissist ? I’ve been divorced 26 years and still cannot communicate with my narcissist .

[@rg5706]

Completely agree. Dr. Oz was way off base.

[@erinkitner7978]

Right there with you! You can't work with someone who has to have everything their way at all times, is horribly mean & aggressive & ultimately he could never have any influence. She is a full blown narcissist & you can't work with those types if people unless they're in therapy & doing serious work to change, which is very very rare.

[@karenmomoftwins8847]

I NEVER believed John was the villain. I was married to the same person only he was my husband. I knew it instantaneously. She was horrible to John. I am so happy you have a happy life without her! I was also raised by a narcissist mother. the damage it did was immense.

[@juliemcgugan1244]

You always recognize one, when you've been at the mercy of one. Doesn't matter who it is, how little time you've spent with them. It's just like your spidey senses go off and the hair on the back of your neck stands up and you just know.

[@Zahra-wd3md]

Agree with you both 👏

[@sandraenglandful]

Kate was very mean to John, I remember watching the show and I would get embarrassed for him.

[@Ginger51]

Even after all he went through, he still is honorable by admitting his own faults. He isn’t just bashing her and crying ‘poor me’.

[@talayiaann906]

Exactly! John is being accountable!

[@miltonperry9135]

I stayed in a narcissistic mentally abusive marriage for 35 years. Everything that Jon said about his wife was 100% true for my ex wife. I like Dr. Oz, but I disagree with his final comments. There is no reasoning with a narcissist. All they want is control, and that was crystal clear watching how Kate treated him on that show.

[@getmeouttatennessee4473]

His advice has never been award winning. I'm watching because of the subject but Dr is a 🦆

[@kellychristiansen7953]

Absolutely! It is not possible...he already DID try! They need to see that he is willing and strong enough to stand up to her, whether they are ready or feel safe enough to admit it.

[@Ginger51]

Completely agree! You cannot reason with a narcissist! He already tried.

[@Allisoninspirations]

You cannot coparent with crazy! My kids need at least one emotionally well parent and I can be that by having boundaries and not have a coparenting relationship with my ex. They want to control everything and are very toxic. Instead you parallel parent. If you don't know that term, just look it up. Most people who have not dealt with a narcissist have no clue the destruction they cause. You cannot continue feeding their narcissistic supply. Set boundaries and stick to them. Your kids will be ok.

[@denisescott34]

Totally agree. Why should Jon want anything further to do with Kate at this point?! There was no reason for Oz to say that.

[@virginiamesko6369]

Just like Jon, she got rid of him when he would not comply with her plans, she got rid of Colin when he would not comply with her plans.

[@xavierekrus5083]

Sounds about right

[@kandygibson6778]

No respect for Kate. NO child should be forced to support their parents. Much respect for John attempting to remove his children from tv. TLC takes advantage of children.

[@veryfungamesawesome]

Agreed. Laws need to be passed that minor children cannot financially support their parents. Most of their money needs to be put in a court ordered trust that only the kids can access when they are of age. The parents should have no access to their kids trust funds. Kate actually stole money from their trusts and this could have been avoided if she had no legal access to them. No wonder kids that grow up show business want to get emancipated and parents stealing their money is often the reason. It should be illegal for parents to live off their kids and not go out and get a REAL job.

[@queenjudine]

She totally was abusive to both Jon and the kids. I had to stop watching bc of her. She became so self absorbed and brutal to those around her.

[@saraseelig6390]

queenjudine That's exactly why I stopped watching; Kate. She was vile, abusive, narcissistic, a real turnoff.

[@veryfungamesawesome]

I couldn’t watch Kate Plus 8 anymore after the RV Trip. The way she treated her “best friend” Jamie and the babysitter is unbelievable. I don’t blame her for quitting. Kate seemed like a b**** to work for. It’s not surprising Kate is rumored to have no friends these days. They all left her and they are better off without her in their lives.

[@chrispleasantable]

Kate’s treatment toward Jon always made me wanna say “Kate, shut up!” or “That’s enough!”

[@pamelageorge1639]

I disagree with Dr. Oz. John should have no contact with Kate.

[@dianna1979]

When you have no knowledge of NPD you don’t know how to deal with them. No contact or gray rock is the only way to handle them. You cannot reason with these people. I speak from 35 yrs of experience being married to one, currently in the process of divorce. It took a long time to figure out what I was dealing with

[@Allisoninspirations]

You cannot coparent with crazy! My kids need at least one emotionally well parent and I can be that by having boundaries and not have a coparenting relationship with my ex. They want to control everything and are very toxic. Instead you parallel parent. If you don't know that term, just look it up. Most people who have not dealt with a narcissist have no clue the destruction they cause. You cannot continue feeding their narcissistic supply. Set boundaries and stick to them. Your kids will be ok.

[@bridgetgraver]

I agree. I speak from twenty years of experience.

[@syfrancomusic]

This 👏

[@cathyswanson6387]

I struggled in a 30 yr marriage w passive aggressive alcoholic narcissist and am finally free! Wish I’d done it a decade ago when the relationship was really over. I covered up for him, out of feeling protective and the shame, at first, so I played my part in it too… dysfunctional and toxic.

[@stillnessinme9195]

I remember watching the show and I always thought she was so mean to him. He could never do anything right. She complained about everything he did. I felt sorry for him

[@yvonnemcloughlin2877]

Her children were controlled beyond belief.John is a great dad.

[@conniemaniaci3612]

I was an avid watcher of Kate Plus Eight. Until…. I felt such dislike for Kate the way she demoralized and criticized Jon on air. On air. How horrible. This woman is a vile person.

[@lesleymcbride4297]

She was also verbally abusive to the kids. Don’t forget about that

[@texasgina]

Same here Connie. And when she was on that show where she went on some blind dates she treated those dates horrible too

[@cairnsjen]

I always felt the same.

[@MrsBStacyBattleBorn]

I think the advice given to John was bad advice because no one can co-parent with a narcissist. Narcs by nature counter-parent (undermine the authority of the other parent). The children are manipulated to think the other parent is a bad person and what they say doesn't matter. They also try to convince the child that the other parent does not love them. John and the children he has are in the recovery stage. Unless Kate is getting help for herself she cannot be apart of the recovery process because she will try to undo (counteract) any progress the children have made. There is a reason many professionals tell people to go no contact with the narc.... to stop subjecting yourself to the emotional and mental abuse.

[@donnasantamaria8317]

absolutely agree!

[@frannienn4215]

I cringed when I heard Oz's advice at the end! For all those narcissist survivors, remember that Oz is a cardiologist, not a psychiatrist, and that advice might be good with normal ex's, but it'll be bad for you if you have a narcissistic ex. I hope he didn't set Jon back in recovering by saying that to him.

[@juditube391]

Oz! That is so wrong for you to say! You dont have a clue on how damaging what you told that man was. You are not Dr Phil!

[@AimeeBonacci]

You nailed it 100%. I wish more people understood this. No amount of trying harder will ever get the narc parent to become reasonable. It's so hurtful when outside people think you're just not willing to try. You can try and try and try... it's never going to happen.

[@user-cl9pp5zb9q]

Dr Oz, please don’t patronize Jon with your “advice”. Obviously you have no experience dealing with a narcissist. You can’t understand if you haven’t dealt personally with severe mental illness in a family member.

[@blueskiesarelovely]

Exactly👏👏👏

[@heatheresteubing-fisher9729]

You can't compromise with someone who's not willing to - who wants everything their way and doesn't see that they're are hurting their children... A "Dr." can tell you what "needs" to happen all day long, but in the end, you can't MAKE people change. They have to want it. Most moral, logical thinking people know this.

[@DivinevirgoFeminine]

This!!!!

[@690169016901]

I was always on Jons side Anyone could see how abusive she was

[@donnasantamaria8317]

I have to say I think TLC's part in this family's demise and what they put these children through is despicable. All Eight of them should bring a civil suit against them. But I'm sure they covered their bases with some legal agreement that would hold them harmless. I hope Colin continues to thrive and becomes so successful in his life. And Kate is the original "Karen"!

[@kathleen8104]

THAT'S WHERE THE KAREN REFERNCE CAME FROM I BELIEVE.

[@debbiemohekey1509]

@@kathleen8104 Even the right haircut

[@GameChanger597]

If TLC chose an immoral route, ultimately it is still the parents fault because they allowed the manipulation and immorality towards their children and family for money.

[@sharicooper-michener8177]

I blame Kate as I too saw the same in her. A person that had to be right. She did not want to be away from the fame and she needed the kids to make it that way. She is a evil person who did not put her children first.

[@cherylfauth9543]

You sound as bad as her by calling her a Karen.

[@cheritoms4040]

He can’t fix Kate. I don’t know how Dr Oz thinks he can work with her?

[@britneybrinks]

Collin, I’m so proud of you for finding a way to reach your dad. How awful and scary is this? The love of a father can save. 17:43

[@lorir5728]

The support Kate got still astonished me. I could never understand how people didn't get it. Jon did some dumb things like hanging out with Lindsay loans father but it was different. How the family has completely broken apart is sad. Imagine having all these brothers and sisters you don't even know. No contact with your kids. Kate threw out Collin like a piece of trash and doesn't care whatsoever.

[@darlenefenster8485]

How the hell would anyone be able to work with Kate? That’s on Kate not John. You definitely missed that one Dr. Oz!

[@Faithful_Tribe]

He probably just wrote it as a canned outro-before the show. Oz is not a very creative personality.

[@KarenGilkyson]

Agreed!

[@marilynmiller5605]

My young adult daughter needed to go to a detox facility for her alcoholism . She asked me to participate in a TLC program which would pay for this treatment. I have never been more controlled and manipulated in my life! They are the worst! They care nothing about the people or the families of the people they present ! Evil people!

[@loribaker8339]

Dr. Oz ... have you watched more than one full episode of Jon & Kate + 8? If you had, you would know that Jon and Kate will never agree on anything or get along, all because as Jon said, Kate is a narcissist! That woman is crazy! Over the years, when speaking about this show, the episode that always comes up with others, is when the family moved in to the huge new home. Jon went to a hardware store and didn't take a coupon. The way Kate exploded was absolutely shocking! I mean everyone remembers that episode! Jon was maybe a little too passive, but I believe Jon wanted the best for his kids and that show was not one of them. The kids that are messed up is because Kate has done a fabulous job of alienating the kids from Jon. I have been thru this with my own family and I can tell you that the person doing it, you cannot win with them!! You will never come to a agreement until the day one of you dies! The two oldest girls are so hateful. They don't dare speak without looking at their mom for approval is sickening. Kate is sick and should have had abuse charges brought against her many times. I wish Jon and his family the very best!

[@debraronan8389]

How about the time she slapped him in the face then tried to pretend it was "play". He was so embarrassed and I was embarrassed for him.

[@gointothedogs4634]

Dr. Oz needs to educate himself on this. You CANNOT work with a narcissist. Every therapist I've listened to says run, not walk away.

[@getmeouttatennessee4473]

​@@gointothedogs4634He needs to educate himself on a whole lot. The advice he gives as a "doctor" is stupifying.

[@saramcintosh2183]

I used to watch the horrible way Kate treated Jon and wonder how he stood it!

[@VoteBlue4Peace-LoveInUSAagain]

I was a watcher of J&K+8, and I felt so bad for John. It was all sunshine and rainbows in the beginning, and it was a struggle for both of them. Slowlu, however, Kates attitude and treatment of John changed. She would belittle him, talk down to him, and insult him. It was painful to watch. It was like we were witnessing the breakdown of a marriage and family, right in front of our eyes. And when TLC made John out as the bad guy in the whole situation, anyone who has a heart could see they were also abusing him. It was heartbreaking to witness, and it took years for me to even watch TLC reality show's afterwards. Because I knew what they were capable of. I want to say that I hope that John and his children find healing and a healthy father/child relationship one day. What Kate has done to those babies is deplorable. I pray they find a therapist who can help them wade through the years of abuse and emotional neglect. If you don't heal from your childhood wounds, they will fester and become something that must be dealt with, sooner or later. And the earlier they start on the journey to heal, the happier adult's they will be. Trust me, I waited until until my late 40's and looking back, it affected every relarionship I had up until that point. Our most important job in this life is raising happy, healthy children to adulthood. ✌🏼🫶🏼🖖🏼

[@nancypicchi9224]

From DAY 1 of the show I saw Kates Psychiatric Disorder. With all the kids, this personality trait become pronounced. The family dynamic became extremely out of balance, as she attempted at every turn to be dismissive and hostile towards anything you suggested. The unraveling of the family was showcased.

[@caroldurham893]

Kate was always so hosti

[@caroldurham893]

Kate was always so hostile rude to the kids and Jon. She had such an inflated ego for who she was. She wasn't that great-looking and had a horrible personality. Her gift to the world was herself. Anyone who tried to help out was admonished not appreciated. It was a bad example the series showed to the public and I am sure it damaged many by the example of parenting that they were shown. I regret that I personally wasted my time watching the show many times feeling sad after the emotional trauma you experienced. I would go so far as to say Kate was evil not just mentally challenged. Those children should have been placed with loving families when they were young. Such a sad situation.

[@tinaj9504]

Coparenting with a narcissist is IMPOSSIBLE!!

[@pnagesar9544]

Kate was the problem not John.

[@hopemags9642]

Never saw Jon as the villain Kate is a narcissist

[@onetruth3162]

Cautionary tale to anyone, don’t do reality tv.

[@TrueCrimeSurvivors]

When going through therapy for complex trauma, my therapist advised me to read 'The Sociopath Next Door'. Not only am I a survivor of a murder victim, my brother, but I also had a parent (not the murderer) who I believed was narcissistic, however learned was beyond that. I went through EMDR therapy which is used on combat veterans. I also married a person like my parent. The traits of those with anti-social personalities are impossible to deal with. The parental alienation and the games never end. Professionals all acknowledge that you will never win a battle with these people and it is best to have no-contact, other than a legal go between or a factual text or call to work out logistics. I've lived with this for 54 years. Dr. Oz is not a psychotherapist nor has likely been exposed to this sort of relationship. Many times a person must let go and allow for God and time to work it out. I don't think he abandoned his children, he did not have the power, nor resources and to fight it, which would have made it worse. He has 2 with him as of this taping. The kids know. I'm sure people will disagree with me, but until you live through it, please refrain from judgment.

[@gloriasiess1129]

I agree totally. Every child is entitled to a normal life. John seems like a humble down to earth guy.

[@loribaker8339]

I absolutely agree with you. I don't think Dr. Oz has watched but maybe bits and pieces of a few episodes of their show. Kate is a very heartless woman. I feel sorry for all those kids.

[@gointothedogs4634]

I agree with you totally. I read that book years ago also, it helped me understand how my upbringing with narcissistic parents led me to be drawn to other narcissists. People who think you can work it out with a narcissist really do not understand this personality disorder. Every therapist I've ever listened to about this says this is one of the most difficult disorders to work with, because they do not think anything is wrong with them or problems are their fault. If you try to talk about the issues, they will find ways to destroy your credibility with others. Sounds harsh but it is best to walk away. You cannot resolve issues with someone who does not want to change or work through things.

[@user-te3ff8np1s]

Until you have been through it,you'll never know.

[@user-te3ff8np1s]

I've had 3 family members murdered, at different times.Its something you never get over.

[@user-gj9uq8jt7g]

If Kate is a narcissist, then she is an unfit mother. 💯

[@cherylfauth9543]

Are you a psychiatrist?

[@Katie-yf8cy]

@@cherylfauth9543 If I'd have waited for a psychiatrist to evaluate my ex-boyfriend I'd would be dead by now. Researching the syndrome and seeing all the cruel patterns was what saved me. If you watched the show and do some research, you'll know how to spot the signs. Plus, psychiatrists are the first ones to say that narcissism is incurable. Do you know why? Because they never accept there's something wrong with them to get help.

[@AdelineCowgirl]

@@cherylfauth9543they said *IF* Kate is a narcissist, then she's an unfit mother. You don't need to be a psychiatrist to know that 🙄

[@cecedubois5147]

John is the real deal. What a horrible spot to be in. God bless him and all those beautiful children.

[@NewCandownFarm]

I think it was completely unreasonable for Dr. Oz to recommend they co perant. I have spent 20 years with a narcissist. I left a year ago, they don't let go and willing to destroy everything and everyone to regain control.

[@polkadotsuzanne9306]

John is a straight up nice man.

[@kathieshirley]

I told my 18yr old daughter when she told me about the show, they will end up divorced! All Kate does is talk down to him. Jon will not take her belittling for any length of time!

[@jlcmsw]

I understand Dr. Oz’s importance of co-parenting, but it’s almost impossible to work with a narcissist because everything has to be their way and they will never acknowledge any wrongdoing. I think Jon has to do his best on his own, but it’s positive that he’s been receiving therapy, so he’s not really alone.

[@donnasantamaria8317]

Yes, I agree. It takes 2 people to be able to coparent. Jon being realistic that It would be impossible to coparent with a narcissistic ex spouse isn't a reluctance to do what's best for his kids, it is wisdom. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. Jon needs to protect Colin from further abuse. The only thing I would even consider second guessing ,regarding Jon's efforts, would be the timing of this interview and what it accomplishes. I think maybe he shouldn't held off until the kids were 18, to tell his story. but perhaps he is using this platform to communicate to his other children, that he still desires a relationship with them.

[@cindyburns593]

True, he could have completely had more empathy. He's a heart surgeon not a psychiatrist!

[@tammypierce3250]

Absolutely. My daughters ex is a narcissist and he also married one. It’s been hell. Coparenting has never been an option.

[@Lms83]

My ex especially been there til recently after 15yrs court continuously laughed him out and he nvr had a case no matter how hard he tried!

[@YayasWhimsicalBrush]

You are 100% correct. I think Dr. Oz did Jon a huge disservice by ending on his thoughts!

[@thiaco6203]

If your spouse or partner acts like Kate-RUN as fast as you can!!

[@mksandals9572]

My sons new wife acts just like Kate and she's on powerful anti-depression medication. Lord help me and my family deal with such a nutcase forced upon us🙏

[@mmmmlllljohn]

I did not understand exactly what advice Dr. Oz was giving Jon at the end of that segment. I think it was: try to get along with Kate for the kids’ sake? I don’t know if that is possible with a narcissist other than not dealing with her which he will be able to do in a couple of years. I think once the kids grow into adulthood they will realize that Jon did have their best interests at heart. He was fighting a network and a narcissist and nobody can win in that situation. I’m so glad Colin is doing well after his nightmarish ordeal. I pray that Jon will have a good unhindered relationship with his kids. ❤️🇨🇦🙏

[@debh5780]

That over giving of yourself will make you sick in just ignoring your self ! Collin looks great and healthy now !

[@debh5780]

Yes I don’t agree you can deal with a parent alienator you can’t but you can try to have a relationship with all your kids and try to re-educate them with therapy on what they’ve been through. Good luck Jon !!!

[@jeannemarie5908]

I never felt Jon was the villain. I figured something like this was going on. Jon, I am so proud of you. You are grounded in your value system. Yea. You are tremendously awesome, such a great example for us. May God surround you with Grace and your children also.

[@justme6767]

God Bless Jon for stepping up for Collin.Kate needs to look at herself in a mirror it's not all about her , it's about the kids

[@septembersapphire347]

I believe this man wholeheartedly, you can see how truly genuine he is. I know he saved his son's life. Kate is a money hungry monster who through her son out like trash because he wasn't the ideal child she thought he should be. She could have sent him to live with his dad but she didn't and she could have told Jon where Collin was but she wouldn't. Kate is a cruel, selfish, bitter bitch who only cares about money and how much the use of her kids can make her. I hope karma finds her one day for what she did to Collin. How could she do that to her own son who she is supposed to love and protect?!?!? It blows my mind 🤯

[@GameChanger597]

I 100% agree with you! What she did to her son, locking him up so she didn't have to "deal with him" but also refusing to tell his own father where he was so they couldn't have a relationship is emotionally barbaric and so, so twisted and sick. She didn't want him but she didn't want anyone else to have him either. Only an evil, black-hearted narcissist would do something like that.

[@septembersapphire347]

@@GameChanger597 She should have to do jail time for torturing both Collin and Jon but especially Collin, he should sue her on his 18th birthday for the HELL he was put through because of HER!!!

[@samg873]

@@GameChanger597 I saw something where Kate was interviewed about Colin's disability or whatever. She couldn't give a straight answer

[@lauralei6963]

Seems like John could’ve found out, via an attorney, where Collin was….

[@samg873]

@@lauralei6963 not if Kate didn't tell attorney

[@susan.9246]

Dr. Oz, what you don't understand is that narcissists do not EVER co-parent. All they ever do is COUNTER-PARENT! You told Jon they're both adults. No, the narcissist is NOT an adult in their actions, etc. You aren't a therapist. You're not a psychologist nor a psychiatrist. You are wrong in your advice to Jon because it's beyond his control and the amount of abuse he has sustained at the hands of Kate hurt me very much to see you give him that fatherly and doctorly advice. It may have been true but there's nothing Jon can do to make that any better. Study up on narcissism. KZbin is a great resource believe it or not, because it shows real people who have lived with Narcissists and their real life experiences. Jon needs support, not criticism on things beyond his control. It takes 2. And no narcissist is willing. They love discord. And you asked why would Kate want discord between the kids? Narcissists hate anyone having a relationship with anyone else because they think they will compare notes on them. Narcissists cultivate and cause and nurture discord between all family members at all times. No exceptions.

[@caroldurham893]

Truer words were never spoken!

[@transcender9203]

He shouldve went on another show to tell his truth. DrOZ tried shaming him for telling his truth!!

[@AdelineCowgirl]

This episode made me decide to block dr oz. I don't want to accidentally give him any more views.

[@AdelineCowgirl]

@@transcender9203"his" truth? Psshhh...

[@vquient21]

Jon!! Wow!!! You’re an amazing Dad I’m blown away and shocked 😳 TLC is an awful for what they did to your kids.

[@debchiu]

Kate belittled him every chance she got. One instance is the two of them are setting side by side and she rips into him for “snorting” as he was breathing. She yelled at him and was just vicious..

[@herbertholzbauer7628]

You guys can clap all you want. You have obviously never been married to a malignant alienating narcissist. There is no dealing with them and they are untreatable. Jon is doing the right thing. Make his home a refuge and get healed yourself so you have words to help kids heal as much as possible. Narcissists don't share. Rich narcssists don't have to share so they don't. Jon you are doing great! Keep letting love lead you. ❤️ proud of you

[@KenziBabenzi]

The part where jon is addressed by dr oz to "act like an adult... " 22:49 its like they took his voice away all over again. And everyone clapped... its humiliating. Also notice how he didnt even give Jon a chance to RESPOND. Bc he cut him off and went straight to commercial... Jon has done nothing but be the adult, and fight for his kids and isnt responsible for kates behavior..He is not in control of her behavior and how he shares his side of the story after ten years of constant humiliation...it just shows how twisted people are in their own reality.. Dr Oz had to say something for the views. The whole reason why hes on tv is not to shame her but to express himself after a ten year gag order. This is just so sad. I feel for him hes been through enough. To be publicly humiliated all over again. Dr Oz is not a safe place hes just manipulating the situation for the ratings just like all the other people attached to the networks.

[@michiek8569]

Isn't Oz even out of his league to be giving this type of advice? Some people you just have to love from afar because they aren't capable of being in relationship. They are unable to perceive anything outside of themselves. It then becomes in your best interest to stay away form that type of person.

[@KenziBabenzi]

@michiek8569 that's true, definitely some people just aren't capable to empathize. Definitely good advice to love certain people from afar.

[@kricketcooper5024]

I totally agree. Dr. Oz is not a good person and TLC is terrible. Look at how they dealt with the Duggar family. They were only paying the father as they continued to record the adult children.

[@lindalamacchia332]

Kate is a horrible person and does not deserve her children. I have always felt bad for Jon. I am so happy he's in a better place.

[@suheylaa1769]

I NEVER thought he was the "bad guy".

[@lisahelms9508]

I've always thought Jon was telling the truth. The very first episode I could tell she was overbearing and always wanted things her way. I think Narcissism is the right adjective for her. Good luck Jon❤

[@darlenefenster8485]

I think Colin should sue his mother and TLC!

[@katiemckay-pd4il]

What a stand up man and amazing father. Good for him!

[@joyames9236]

I love Jon Goslings open and honest approach to mental health, and getting treatment, and understanding not only his own actions, but those of his son. I wholeheartedly want this to be a Very normalized conversation. Perhaps more people who need help would get it if they were not ashamed of having a mental healthcare problem.

[@heatherparrish1751]

responding to what Dr.Oz said to John at the end, "he must not understand but there is NO talking to kate" its just not possible.

[@tammypierce3250]

I feel for this father. My daughters ex married a woman with a personality disorder and she has made my daughters life hell, constantly usurping her authority, making up lies about their mother and trying to turn the children against her. She has pretty much succeeded with one. The other two have her figured out, thank God. It is heart wrenching. 😔😔

[@cynthiacrespin2061]

I'm sorry to hear about your grandkids and daughter going thru that abuse, my daughter died , and the son in laws new wife was complete control freak... it's been horrible .. my grandsons were no longer allowed to spend night with me, she said they were to hard to control if they spent night with grandma ... that was just the beginning of bizarre new rules .. 😢

[@tammypierce3250]

@@cynthiacrespin2061 I’m so sorry for you as well for the loss of your daughter and now a controlling stepmom for your grandchildren which affects your relationship with them. This is truly devastating. I can certainly relate to the controlling stepmom. It’s women like these that have given stepmoms such a bad reputation.

[@GameChanger597]

Parental alienation is illegal and it sounds like that's what she's trying to do. I would start getting proof pray profusely for the children's ears Hearts and Spirits to be closed off from her evil words and pray that Jesus softens her heart and changes her

[@tammypierce3250]

@@GameChanger597 Maybe it’s illegal (I haven’t heard that) but proving it is hard, especially when the child affected is now 17 and will deny any of that took place and will lie to protect her dad and stepmom. My daughter had joint custody of the children and the one daughter ran off to her dads a few months ago because she was upset with her mom about something and wouldn’t come back. My daughter called the police to have her brought back because her dad was in contempt of the divorce decree by not sending her back and the police wouldn’t do anything because she was 16 at that time and they said she was old enough to decide where she wanted to be. As I said earlier, it’s been so devastating. The stepmom has also turned her against her sister that is only 18 months younger. As I said, it’s been devastating. It’s something you never could believe would happen in your family. We do pray continually that she will be freed from the evil hold these people have on her and be reconciled with her mom and sister.

[@mickidonahue4038]

Hold on. Is Oz a therapist NOW? Sad to see John revealing what so many suspected, and then instead support he gets insulted. He's not being an adult. Some people are impossible to reason with. His ex is one of those.

[@user-gj9uq8jt7g]

Those kids are better off with their father. You can’t fix a narcissistic person…EVER! He needs to get his kids and heal, going no contact with hie narcissist!

[@CandiceK317]

I've always been on his side. Kate only did this for fame. She didn't care about the outcome it would have on their children just as long as she had money and fame. I'm so happy to hear about Collin and really happy Jon is finally able to tell his side ❤

[@lynnhubbard844]

I am not a supporter of her, BUT how else could they financially support a family of 10?

[@veryfungamesawesome]

@@lynnhubbard844Maybe they shouldn’t have had so many kids when they had to know there’s no way they could afford them all. Jon kept saying no to more kids so he should have kept saying no.

[@CandiceK317]

@@veryfungamesawesome you do realize they a multiple at one time, right?

[@keylasharp8281]

I was in my teens when i watched them and i absolutely hated Kate. I felt she was extremely abusive and wondered how she was when the camera was off. It made me sad for the kids and John.

[@tristensolock7620]

The more I watched Jon and Kate plus 8, I saw Kate become more evil as time went on.

[@michellelyman7092]

I had never formulated an opinion about him but now my impression of him is he's a pretty rock solid guy and the more caring parent by far.

[@rocksanscatliffe974]

Why is he not saying that his son called the cops on him and told them that his father was abusing him.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

That was blown out of portion Jon did mention it.

[@smilinwolfette1978]

My heart broke for Jon. I could completely see thru Kate’s vicious ways.

[@Bmaki539]

I never thought he was the villain. I can show you the day I new from the show she was changing.

[@traciking1473]

John you didn’t have to do a tell-all. It was obvious Kate was a big problem. But I hope you make a ton of money and restore your relationships with your children. ❤

[@dianna1979]

Kate as a narcissist can not be dealt with like a normal coparent because her goals are not the kids best interest. Jon will always have to be no contact or “gray rock” in psychology terms. It is what it is unfortunately. For more information on KZbin, Dr. Les Carter has many informative videos on dealing with narcissistic spouses, parents and children. It is not a normal relationship

[@odawagirl]

Shame on TLC for allowing Kate to use their platform to be abusive to her family. Because that’s 100% of what she was.

[@tamekabarbour2157]

If you think that is something check out the OWN Network promoting Martell Holt whose acts of narcissism have been on full display on live tv against the mother of his chidren. It has been almost 4 years and he is stalking and harrassing her and taking her to court about custody. IT IS RIDICULOUS how people uplift abusers and shame or blame the victims.

[@SpecialEdTalk]

I never thought he was villain, I thought he was a victim...

[@Kathy670]

What a good DAD

[@RMCToo]

It was so great to see him and talk about how he himself and the kids were treated. If anyone, was having the affair, all the FANS always suspected Kate of being that one. We (all the fans of the show, which I was) all saw how horrible and over controllingly MEAN Kate was as both a Mother and Wife. I am glad he is doing the best he can and being the Father he is. Love ya John! Richard

[@Pennymiller-lb4yn]

It would be difficult to live with Kate in any capacity. I feel for those kids and Jon.

[@314Thethirdeye08]

It’s horrible what Jon has been through!

[@normacaballero3481]

Why are you making John out to be the villain at the end. He absolutely can't fix Kate She is a classic narcissist. He doesn't need any contact with her once the kids are all 18. No contact for life. Come on Dr. You should know that.

[@KP-hd1vv]

Kate Gosselin = Ruby Franke

[@marybryner5562]

Omg yes!!!!!

[@robindawn]

The whole Jon and Kate thing is so sad. We’ve experienced a divorce with a narcissist so I absolutely believe everything Jon says. Total nightmare, the kids suffer.

[@YaYaPaBla]

Jon should not have to deal with Kate…too much damage between them.

[@ashleybergstrom8934]

John is what those children need. Glad he is there for all of them. I hope they can all reunite. All the best Collin. You did not deserve to have what happened to you. So happy you are turning things around. I am SO proud of you.

[@veryfungamesawesome]

Unfortunately they have been turned against Collin and Jon. They continue to believe everything their mom tells them. How can they have any respect for her throwing their brother in the garbage and never going to visit him? It’s not like he was far away out of state or something. I would never forgive my mom if she did that to my sibling. At least he will always have Hannah.

[@rocksanscatliffe974]

They don't need him he was never there for them he is no father how much is HE being paid to lie he was always acting like a child and not a father

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

That is a lie you're telling and Kate is the one who lied to her fans and Kate is the one who alienated their children from Jon and her side of the family and Jon's side of the family, Kate is a greedy controlling witch, and she mentally and emotionally abused all eight children.

[@michellecats12]

I remember watching the show...from about the middle of the first season I knew she was the problem. I always could tell that Jon was the one being abused and used for money. Sad that the kids have to live in limbo with this life.

[@nellybean69]

When John talked about how Kate reacted to fame, it reminded me of Gollum and the ring in Lord of the Rings. She just could not let go of the fame even though it destroyed the people she supposedly loved.

[@chasityleman7932]

I feel so bad for you John. You were treated so dirty, didn’t get to even spend time with your children as they were growing up. So sad! And yes we all already knew she has narcissists disorder. That was very clear on the show. You have my prayers and blessing 😇😇

[@ShelbyAsInCar1969]

She was so belittling to him! I always felt so sorry for Jon! I was glad when he left her!

[@teritreiger7662]

"I wasn't part of the business model" is about all there need be said.

[@doreencrespo7133]

My husband is a narcissist and I know exactly what he is talking about. My adult sons try to get through to him to see how he is but as my therapist always told me, you cannot change a person. He has terminal cancer and I actually hope he will come out of remission.

[@keishagaynor7714]

I always thought John was being railroaded. Kate was and is horrible. I feel bad for the children still in her house. That letter hurt my heart. No parent should have to rescue their child. Dr. Oz you gave bad advice. You can never co-parent and compromise with a narcissistic parent. John is an excellent father and doing what’s right.

[@flowersinthefire]

There is no way to have a good or healthy relationship with a narcissist, and trying to cohabitate and parent with one will cause you to become passive aggressive, if you aren't already. Shame on TLC for profiting off of abuse and disfunction.

[@angelacarlton1550]

It's not often that I disagree with Dr Oz but I have to disagree on this one I think he's doing absolutely the best for those kids that he has and I think one day those kids that are with Kate are going to look back and see what a tree monster their mother has been

[@lindabarron2181]

I agree. I don't think there is any "negotiating" with a narcissist.

[@Autumn77077]

@@lindabarron2181 I second that, I disagree strongly with Dr. Oz on this one - you can't and SHOULDN'T try to have any contact with a NARC, I don't care if they are the mother of your children, there is no way to negotiate with a narc. I'm honestly surprised Dr. Oz doesn't know more about narcs, you can't have a two-way relationship with a narc, it's one sided and Jon is absolutely right to have no contact with Kate - she crazy and pathetic - I feel bad for her when she leaves this life and sees her life review, I would hate to be in her shoes.

[@lynnhubbard844]

Dr. Oz doesn't have 8 kids and a camera in his home every day either

[@Allisoninspirations]

You cannot coparent with crazy! My kids need at least one emotionally well parent and I can be that by having boundaries and not have a coparenting relationship with my ex. They want to control everything and are very toxic. Instead you parallel parent. If you don't know that term, just look it up. Most people who have not dealt with a narcissist have no clue the destruction they cause. You cannot continue feeding their narcissistic supply. Set boundaries and stick to them. Your kids will be ok.

[@julielindholme9584]

Medical doctor without a clue about psychological issues that destroy others! Shame on Oz.

[@user-sn5zj7nn4j]

This poor man and his children. Praying for them.