Dr. Peterson on Nihilism and What Nietzsche Got Right About Today's Society

[@hudsonbrown31]

I love these clips from his older lectures. Whoever is running this account please keep uploading clips like these!

[@Razear]

When you listen to this, it makes so much more sense why he believes it's crucial to help people find their purpose in life.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

I see so many folks getting in horrendous trouble by attempting to find a purpose in life when they do not know who they are. People who are confused about the basics, are chaos generating machines IMHO. I was one for 50 years. I was very successful at establishing and maintaining the chaos I had grown comfortable in, all the while being ripped to pieces by the chaos around me and what it meant. I believed I was good. Boy, I was a phony. There, I said it. I did not know who I was, so I pretended. A particularly ugly existential crisis left everything I knew and belived shattered. I prayed to a God I didn't even know. And He answered. And showed me who I was. And gave me purpose. It's a mini-miracle in my eyes. I was dead. And lost. Dead and lost. Now alive and found. Like coming Home. All in the privacy of my own home!

[@sanmemind3666]

​​@@youbetyourwrasseThat speaks for me: I not only don't know who I am, I probably denied it at some point I can't even realize. Although "Who you are" resembles a tricky statement since we constantly change from time to time, and the point of growing is to change your opinions, to open your mind to new ideas and horizons, etc. I've never understood what's that constant implied in that phrase when people say "Who You Are". Regardless, I know I'm broken and cannot make sense of some things right now. I would love to write about it, express myself, speak my mind and find answers until death, but that just won't pay the bills nor take me to a better life. So I am studying something I don't enjoy and I don't care much about just to have better opportunities on my own and expand my horizons. I suffer from it, by the inside I suffer from almost everything: where I've been before, where I am now and where I probably gonna be tomorrow. I had expectations, and I still generate them within my own personal narrative of life, 'cause they're pretty much what allows me to move a finger and make my attempt to walk to somewhere, but at the same time those expectations and visualizations are just killing me and I'll be daydreaming 24/7 instead of making it real. I had a purpose, a vision... It was a family with someone: couldn't be possible. I guess I put too much illusion and hope into it that now I feel completely drained and afraid to love that way again. So yeah... Purpose, Love, Who I am, ... Too much abstraction and mist for someone that just need straight and crystal clear answers. That's it.

[@cccchip04]

Lost souls can be ticking time bombs

[@Michael88atom]

Cristianity has a connection after the medieval Times between money and religion making it culturally appealing because it could save your soul

[@deeveevideos]

​@@youbetyourwrasse 1 Timothy 4:10 - The New International Version (NIV) 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

[@danielmendivil9495]

I love the ending and how he talks about the collapsing of a belief system because I can relate. Feeling like you don't know what to believe anymore and becoming a meta doubter whilst living in ultimate uncertainty can be unsettling. Great video!

[@karen65harris57]

Taking me back to my Existentialism class! What year did Dr. Peterson begin carnivore eating? He looks so much healthier in 23!

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

There is no such thing as existentialism class. You take philosophy and psychology. And realize that Most philosophy does not take into account “other” and most people with different experiences from the norm frequently can poke holes in philosophies like nihilism and existentialism. Anyone who is blind, or finds out they have less perception in one sense or another early on, or has had to struggle Just to be at a Normal Level can See Right Past Both. Nihilism and existentialism don’t take individualism into account, as far as “zebras vs horses” are concerned. For instance, most cyber crooks and identity thieves do not understand the concept of NORD, or growing up around hospitals, or having a life debt. They are too busy being selfish jerks exploiting others, All they see is nihilism and existentialism. Or the abandonment of purpose at the expense of hollow existentialism that Ignores life around them.

[@michaelbabbitt3837]

@@MichaelSkinner-e9j How do you know there is no "Existentialism" class? You might not agree with the category, but that doesn't mean there is no class titled, "Existentialism."

[@Woodland_Warrior]

@@MichaelSkinner-e9jI have seen courses that are of specific kinds of philosophy at my university, so I’m not so sure that a class devoted to existentialist philosophy is out of the question.

[@ivanjkaramazau2]

Outstanding piece of lecture, thank you very much, Doctor Peterson (for these thoughts and for many others).

[@skinpalette]

Old school JP.. this is what got me hooked on 2018

[@cccchip04]

Yah there was a change in direction of what he was sharing, whole different tone But he's been through hell n back and now has fish to fry this time

[@swerremdjee2769]

Nice dr P, i havent seen this one yet nor did i read Nietzsche. But you were already almost there. After being misunderstood so long it still sometimes amazes me that there more attentive thinking people out there, who are not just selfish👍

[@Quinnjavi911]

I’m still looking for an answer sadly. But I do love his explanation.

[@Eric-zo8wo]

0:00: 📚 Existentialists like Nietzsche and Dostoevsky accurately predicted the problems that unfolded in the 20th century, making their ideas valuable for psychologists. 4:50: 🤔 The speaker discusses the relevance of nihilism in relation to mental illness and the meaning of life. 8:07: 📚 The loss of an ultimate meaning system, such as European Christianity, has deep historical and psychological consequences. 11:48: 🤔 The primary orientation of human beings is one of care, which is a fundamental reality. Terrible things happening to people raises questions of justice and the nature of reality. 15:21: 📚 Nietzsche argues that distress does not necessarily lead to nihilism, but rather it is the Christian moral interpretation of the world that leads to nihilism. 19:09: 🔑 Jung's hypothesis about the development of science was that a counter fantasy developed in the unconscious of the Europeans, which was that the material realm held the seeds of redemption that Christianity lacked. 23:01: 🤔 The critical rational mind can lead to doubt and uncertainty, making it difficult to make decisions in life. Recap by Tammy AI

[@showandtell4265]

Peterson mentions this in other videos but ill mention this here: while i never planned to have kids nor have any expectations for kids, i did because it was important to my wife.... And it nullified my losing battle for search for meaning. Responsibility of something sacred is the antedote, for most people that is having kids. Our culture has it backwards... We try to fill this hole with status, material goods, comfort, power, a career.... Meanwhile we cast away what is truely meaningful. Abrahamic scriptures will tell you god commanded us to have children... Whether u believe in god or not... There seems to be wisdom in such ancient text.

[@AyushmaanBisht-lm3hs]

I am glad i found this. It seems before coming to a conclusion and such a profound one at that, it is more important to experience life and the things it has to offer. It is too soon to go towards something like nihilism when there is an entire world out there. Thank you.

[@bboysil]

This is one of the important highlights of his courses.

[@luckymeyer1014]

❤ great teacher ❤

[@VigiliusHaufniensis]

This is so much better than the new stuff

[@NumHeut]

Read and loved Nietzsche and Dostojewskij when I was 15-18. Im a sowjet child grown up in germany, so I could read them in the orginal language. 😊❤

[@freeman37]

Yup. It is tough.

[@techjunky82]

This video came at an incredible time. I had no idea I was nihilistic. I have been struggling with this on and off for a long time. Lately it has been really bad. Knowing my family needs me has been about the only thing that gets me through the day. I have struggled to believe in God for a very long time. I want to believe, but it's just not there anymore. It's like the small flickering flame that was my faith went out completely. I do believe in right and wrong. I can feel right and wrong. Yet I believe there is no real purpose to life. since my flame was extinguished. I have not feared death at all. Because I am sure I will not be aware of anything once I am gone. I will seas to exist. That actually gives me piece in a way. The idea of living eternally in heaven or hell is terrifying to me. Forever is a long time. The worst part about all of this. Is that I'm not choosing to feel like this. I don't like it. I'm trying to find something to cling onto. I used to be so productive, but lately I can't find any motivation. I keep hoping it will just go away, or I will find some new purpose to get through the day. Even if it is just temporary. With everything that has been going on lately, I have less and less faith that I will get better. I wish I could just shut my brain off and enjoy the moment.

[@kommissarrex1193]

I feel you,hope it gets better for you ❤ I don’t know man I’m in a similar situation + no friend, never had a girlfriend, always alone and no succes in life, I don’t know I’m stuck and getting into my 30s now. I just want to fall asleep and never wake up

[@connorlewis1150]

Try 3 G’s of magic mushrooms. Seriously. You’ll realise what spirit is.

[@jarrettjb]

I can sense how you feel because I felt that way before. At my lowest point, I sincerely cried out to God. Jesus is the way, the truth, and He is life. There is no other way to connect with the extra-benevolent giver of all life, God. I began reading truth, the Bible. I am a new person and it has been 2 decades now.

[@Godwinsname]

I wish you well. I also can tell you from experience that shutting your brain off and enjoying the moment is awesome, so I'd recommend you to try that. Why search for something to cling to? You might be on the cusp of realizing that all mental exercises are simply thoughts, and have no substance. Thus you could surrender to What IS (instead of what you think), and if you do that in a loving way you might well be surprised at the awesomeness of what happens. I wish you a long happy life! :)

[@Dystopia-oe1sz]

I'm an atheist slowly creeping back into religion. What you have to realize is that even atheists have to have faith in something. That "something" is an objective truth and reality that exists, that we can observe. Some call that Einstein's God. Philosophers and scientists have wrestled with the realization that we cannot be absolutely certain that the Universe, world, and people around us are indeed real. The closest to 100% certain we can come to is that we ourselves exist. Descartes's First Principle "I think, therefore I am." I've also been studying Stoicism, a philosophy I find helpful. The purpose of life is to challenge yourself and slowly grow your circle of influence, improving your family and surroundings. Don't compare yourself to others, compare yourself to yesterday's you. Paraphrasing Dr. Peterson there. I hope this helps a fellow atheist 🙏

[@Nozylatten]

hi jordan talk about alcohol in the future please it's so forgotten because its so common but it's so bad.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

Alcohol is not the problem, people are. Alcohol is not an issue until bad judgment is introduced. He is fixing the thing that causes the symptoms of escapism, like alcoholism. If we know who we are, we will make better decision. He helped me with my addiction and he led me to the Lord God. It just happened. Because words have more power than the information they appear to contain. They are tied to reality in an ineffable way.

[@Nozylatten]

@@youbetyourwrasse so stop being selfish and let him share his knowledge with others on an important subject. I'm glad the Lord is your savior. May he keep you and protect you. Take care x

[@yammybolo222]

JP would never drink a Pepsi today! Can see the transformation of his health…only steaks and Perrier now! Looks way better.

[@SavoPaddy]

I'd love to hear Jordan speak about Wittgenstein and that which we must pass over in silence (or Wittgenstein in general).

[@barakobamadubai]

I LIKE IT. THE YOUNG Dr. PETERSON. Keep it up. Sheikh

[@gaelynharvey2061]

I would love to hear what Jordan thinks of and might have to add to Teal Swans teachings/perceived philosophy. Hell, getting those two together for a conversation at all would be SO enlightening I think for so many people.

[@arunagreen8119]

I've been thinking this too!

[@oloviddinazim2260]

Brilliant!

[@Resuscitate14]

Love your life jordan!

[@slashrishi]

Beautiful.. masterful..professor❤

[@robertweinmann1657]

Wow the old Jordan. Explains a lot

[@ServingGodandcountry]

Our victory is in the blood of Jesus, the authority of Jesus, and in the anointing of Jesus! We are anointed to share the Truth of God’s Word to a dying and hopeless world.

[@mindaugasstankus5858]

Thats why your childhood is so important... its better to be raised on believe system that is cruel, so theres nothing to doubt... cos it cant be destroyed.

[@holyghost718]

The technological singularity will make 20th century atrocity look like a trip to the beach

[@ifyouare2]

You speak truth

[@holyghost718]

@@ifyouare2 When ( a.i.) takes the reigns, meaning and being will be viewed as conditional concepts. 😶 Sadly

[@planes3333]

I think it will be a one world country, a one world leader, everyone with a mark of allegiance, the temple of solomon rebuilt, and then russia and probably china invading and attacking Israel. Perhaps it will be Elon Musk using Neurolink to put a microchip or a tattoo or barcode on everyone who will give allegiance to the "beast" (and you cant buy or sell without it) IMHO (kind of loosely based on my opinions that I derive from my faith in Jesus. Ohh yeah and lastly the one world leader AKA the antichrist will bring peace world wide for a time. The one world leader will claim to be god or Jesus at the wailing wall and the dome of the rock. AKA Solomon's temple, (however the temple needs to be rebuilt) I think they are starting the rebuilding but there is major political issues between muslim Palestinians and jews there. My claims are only what I believe though in response to what I have read and heard, its very complicated and confusing. I am just trying to get my life better in serving Jesus but I struggle with getting tipsy @@ACloudWithoutAir

[@holyghost718]

@@ACloudWithoutAir The singularity will likely happen in the 2030's and will probably progress faster than expected. The use of intelligent biological warfare coupled with vast armies of intelligent quantum super computers is far more dangerous than nuclear weapons

[@arkman2237]

​@@holyghost718how can you predict the way a.i will think about humanity

[@solaura6218]

A point is something that is dimensionless. No width, no height, no depth. It has no existence in time & space. Similar to the zero in math. It is nothing but a location. Yet it is the foundation of math, geometry, trigonometry & calculus. Those things that we think best with. The zero or point is nothing & has no meaning or quality or quantity. Yet it is the basis of all those things, of existence itself. Meaningless is nothing but a mistaken perspective of reality.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

Ahh it's like the joy of opening Euclid. Euclid unravels reality .. How can talking about geomtery give insight into personal relationships? BECAUSE WORDS HAVE POWER. Euclid is like mental floss.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

"Meaningless is nothing but a mistaken perspective of reality." 🪙 You win a gold coin. That is powerful truth and insight. See how Euclid is mental floss? You floss with the words and ideas .. and pearl of insight like that fall out. Just as God intends!

[@solaura6218]

@@youbetyourwrasse ... right. It develops a person's mind, the thinking ability & understanding of everything in this world & even gives insight into "the next" world or God. The point, like the zero, is the "nothing" (to our minds) from which all things come (somehow) or by which all things can be understood. But it takes study & work in theory & in practice. From that work comes honest philosophy (as opposed to Karl Marx), honest sociology (as opposed to Marcuse), honest science (as opposed to Lysenko), honest psychiatry (as opposed to Freud). Without such an understanding the mind can go in any direction, lost in the wilderness of seeming nonsense, an insane mess. "Seeming" only because you do not see it for what it is. The emotions will necessarily follow the confused mind, just as they will follow an ordered mind.

[@kforest2745]

Meaning exists, “modern world” doesn’t that’s a coin whereas this is a planet.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

I think both Nietzsche and Jung had a lot of great insights, but their attempts to apply them were undercut by their shared assumption that traditional Christianity was spiritually gnostic ("this world is corrupt, so you should live for the afterlife") and that a pendulum swing to a this-worldly gnosticism (immanentizing the eschaton, as it were) was both inevitable and beneficial in some ways. The benefit that the Russians (Doestoyevski, Solzhenitsyn) had was that the Christianity they were most familiar with had never attempted to accommodate the Enlightenment and therefore didn't fall into either of the gnostic camps. They assumed that the spiritual world gives meaning to what we do in the material world, not that only one's spiritual destiny or only material improvement mattered.

[@Brien831]

Nah that wasnt Nietzsche’s assumption at all. Everything metaphysical you believe in and adjust your will for, is life denying. Not merely the after life, but anything spiritual. Thats why he thought so little of Kant, who just substituted God for the good will and claimed his ethics by it’s authority as truth. In fact wether you believe in god and follow christian dogma or any other random doesnt matter. Believing in an “objective truth” or believing in spiritual worlds is both life denying. Not even mentioning the problems with Christian morals. Slave morality, Christianity propagates equality, weakness and self sacrifice as virtues. In the end it is a make believe to justify people’s shitty lives, it lulls them to sleep and stagnation and keeps them from willing anything else. Its again life denying and is what Nietzsche abhors.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

@@Brien831 The problem is, Nietzsche failed to understand two things. First, that it's impossible for human beings not to believe in anything metaphysical, because even rejecting metaphysics entails engagement in metaphysics. As such, Nietzsche's abhorrence of supposed metaphysical entities and desire to rid the world of them in favor of bare power is exactly what I'm referring to as Nietzsche's this-worldly gnosticism. Second, that the bourgeois Christian morality with which he was familiar (along with its secular descendants) is a pathetic shadow of Christianity proper. Bourgeois Christianity and its descendants (the French Revolution, Marxism, etc.) posit equality; Christianity proper posits a qualitative inequality between the saved and the damned far greater than the quantitative inequality in bare power between Nietzsche's Ubermensch and Last Men. Bourgeois Christianity and its descendants justifies weakness to avoid generating discomfort among its adherents; Christianity proper demands extreme strength of character and willingness to bear discomfort, albeit in a way that can't be boiled down to bare power. Bourgeois Christianity and its descendants see self-sacrifice as a nice way to keep society running smoothly; Christianity proper sees it as the only way to undercut the pretensions of those who seek control society through bare power. Domesticated Christianity /is/ life denying. But judging Christian morality as a whole by looking at its domesticated form is like judging all canines based on one's experience with chihuahuas. Sure, it might be fair to describe chihuahuas as "lulled to sleep and stagnation," but that's completely irrelevant to any meaningful assessment of a wolf.

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

@@Brien831 Thats because “objective truth” is an spiritual dogma on itself.

[@Brien831]

@@ikkinwithattitude Not believing in metaphysics is not equal to rejecting metaphysics. Christianity is fundamentally life denying, as it involves an after life. There is no version of it, that is not. Neither is the damned vs saved hierarchy of any value, its just master vs slave morality. Christianity doesnt demand bearing discomfort for the right reasons, its demanding sub servitude so one can get into the after life. “Nietzsche failed to understand two things” yea no, you just didnt understand Nietzsche and straw manned him a bunch…

[@davidrandell2224]

“The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner/ Landstreicher translation to counter this gibberish.

[@victoraguiar5021]

Simply a genious

[@Kyouma.]

Meaning is something as artificial as the methods to attain it. The psychological mind - the ego - needs meaning for its own survival. What you *really* are (consciousness) doesn't need a meaning manifested and fabricated through the outside world, because it's already there, inside you

[@jazzyjointz6864]

Bravo 👏🏾 this man thinks very similarly to the way I do.

[@Sunburst6520]

Matthew 25: 1-13 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

[@3_2_1]

Now look up "Mulla Sadra Existentialism" And "Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra". These concepts weren't regarded as Islamic in Persian philosophy. It's simply philosophy.

[@cccchip04]

Nothing is stopping you but you. No book, idea, or person will mean anything if you don't care to want to feel why things matter. Not that if everything is permitted, just that other people's thoughts make us stop and think if we are choosing to give healthy or hurtful actions. To me, G- d means the cause and effect of our actions. Are we acting out of love/integrity or fear?

[@theseal126]

The solution to this meta system collpase is that it itself is a belief system. The belief system that all belief system can collapse. Which means that belief system can fall apart and some belief system actually cannot collapse, does exist.

[@Brien831]

No it isnt. You dont define belief systems, so you are not making a statement at all. Belief in something is certainly not a belief system, when we talk about collapse of belief systems. Otherwise the claim of collapsing belief systems is nonsensical. You are trying to proof something about the elements of a set A=[x1,x2,x3….] but have set A contain itself in your proof. The only set, that contains itself is the empty set, which is a contradiction since A is not empty. If you consider the elements of set B=[collapsed(A),A] then youre not proofing anything, since obviously the statement ‘B contains collapsed(A) or A’ is trivially true. But even if youre proof were sound, which it isnt as it’s circular and trivially so, a belief system obviously refers to a set of morals when talking about nihilism and the collapse of belief systems. And believing in the collapse of belief systems is not a moral, it doesnt give any rules for behaving.

[@theseal126]

@@Brien831 Thats true, damn didnt think about using math to discern my reasoning and understand it myself Very clever not gonna lie Does this mean that all belief systems are undecidable? that is you cannot tell whether they are true or not

[@solaura6218]

Its called deliberate failure of "public" education.

[@hyperformp]

Nietzsche was not an existentialist he might have raised existential question but existentialists are something way more specific referring to those who believed that as humans we find our essence after we start existing. So you can call Sartre and existentialist. The opposite is essentialism which begun pretty much from Plato.

[@FissileThomist]

If you can't have certainty, the alternative is faith

[@MessiahYHWH]

I walked through the hellish wasteland of temporal uncertain reality and discovered the absolute eternal cornerstone of reality; the TRUTH upon which I have built my life in service as my King.

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

Nihilism is terrible. Remember who you were, and why you were here. That’s something people learn early on. Just don’t forget Who You Are and Why You Are Here.

[@gregparkos6004]

Optimal Peterson

[@Asher0208]

A person who believes that Christianity is all about the future, and not life for today, does not know Christianity. A person who believes that Christianity and science are opposed to each other doesn’t know Christianity either.

[@Brien831]

Yea no, believing in an after life is obviously believing something beyond life, aka life denying. It devalues life inherently as eternal life in heaven is supposed to be better than mortal life on earth and humans living on earth is inherently a divine punishment, as stated in Genesis. This belief is nothing but a justification for suffering in life and even giving virtue to suffering in life through death. “Suffer in life and you get to enjoy heaven after death” Its malicious deception and results in stagnation and nihilism.

[@Asher0208]

Being a Christian is reason why I live to be kind and enjoy life. Without Jesus I would be mad, bad or dead.

[@haydencrawford8552]

If you need a magical sky daddy to be a good person, then you aren't a good person.

[@rubenreenders7298]

Ur a worse person for saying this

[@KigenEkeson]

Gosh, in retrospect, if i were Dr. Peterson, I would have dropped the whole pronoun stance and just continued to do this. Seems so simple and yet really satisfying and directly helpful to students.

[@finaututone4502]

I’m glad he did, because otherwise I would’ve never given any serious thought about studying his work.

[@KigenEkeson]

@finaututone4502 What he teaches here is more like physics than art. In order to really get it in depth, it takes serious study. IMHO, he has basically transformed from a serious and inspired teacher into a psuedo-political figure. Most people just form their own personal and biased views about what he says to fit their own narratives.

[@acevfx2923]

​@@KigenEkesonno because the work he is doing here, just like the clinical practice on the side, relies on him being able to speak truth and speak his mind. The pronouns were just a symptom of a larger agenda now dominating the university that silences people and controls a greater narrative. Giving into that pressure just to keep doing his job is exactly the type of reasoning that leads to totalitarianism, because that's when everyone lies. Add to that that giving in is the same as being an accomplice. He found himself uniquely in a position to fight it, and answered the calling to do so. I sometimes revisit some of these videos to recall some of the basics, but Jordan Peterson has moved leagues beyond this thinking.

[@KigenEkeson]

​@@acevfx2923 I don't agree. Nothing he says in this lecture directly depends on his political beliefs. What he says here could be repeated by any proficient scholar on the topic. Dr. Peterson's problem seems to be that the college of individuals which authenticate psychologists as legally capable of practicing as such, do not wish their organization to be identified with Dr. Peterson's personal beliefs. Unfortunately, this creates a sticky situation, where Dr. Peterson's stature as an international celebrity strongly reflects on the organization, whose majority apparently don't like this. So they have asked Dr. Peterson to pipe down or be excused from the organization. If indeed he has moved "leagues" beyond the role of simple psychologist and teacher, then he shouldn't feel so bad about leaving the organization. Either he stays within the boundaries of what the group feels is appropriate, or he leaves and finds himself another group. I think he should just teach serious students and help as many patients as possible, while keeping his personal politics private. Instead, he has become just another polarizing figure in a world that is ripping itself into two already.

[@acevfx2923]

@@KigenEkeson except, Peterson's problem precedent his stature as and rise to international celebrity. And yes nothing he says in this particular lecture directly depends on his political beliefs, however, it was not him who politicized his lectures! The students did, although not necessarily his own. Marxist ideology has infiltrated pretty much all the major universities and when people came about Peterson's online lectures, quickly they became associated with a fascist narrative and then of course all the negative hallmarks associated one faces when expressing interest in theology and traditionalism. The pronouns discussion was only the drop that made the bucket flow over. Because now he was being attacked for his inclusivity and non gender conforming lectures. So the university actively tried to force Peterson to alter his speech. Well, we all know how that worked out. Next came the college of psychologists after Peterson who had then already left the university for the sake of his own students who were also being harassed. The reason? The mob had followed him out of the university and they began making false claims in order to get his license suspended and force him to undergo "social media re-education". Despite the fact that these people were never were his clients, nor remotely and closely associated with them. And you mustn't misunderstand me, I didn't say Peterson is leagues ahead of the colleges, I meant to say that Peterson had progressed many leagues ahead of what he was teaching in these lectures. In his podcasts, especially in the year of his comeback after the recovery, he went over all the same material. Offering new and improved interpretations and understandings. In the last few months he has abandoned it. He finished his lectures on Genesis. Now he has to fight the court ruling. He also started a new global initiative of which the name escapes me, but it's pretty much a collective of all the great minds and thinkers of this generation who are coming together to formulate an alternative vision for the future, in an attempt to combat this cultist madness. So no I don't agree, his lectures very much evolved, and all out of necessity, not out of a narcissist or totalitarian urge to do so. Because it has ruined his life, his career and his license and the man almost died because of it. In fact, he did die for a moment. But no, it's probably not necessarily to assume responsibility as a citizen and enter the political arena when people are getting silenced, and the great institutions destroyed, and you get your licenses suspended because you commented on the weather. Being part of a college or an institution does not overrule your inherent and god given right to express political belief. And it is not like Peterson doesn't have expert opinion on these subjects, considering his early life involvement in left wing politics, his work and studies in the prison complexes and his time working for the UN on environmental matters and prioritization. Meaning to say that his word is not merely opinionated, but actually well studied, well versed and critically acclaimed and therefor welcomed by all in the worlds of science and literature

[@mscir]

Very interesting. What is a good first book by each, Dostoevsky and Nietzsche? Swedenborg said he was tasked by God to show people that you could and should believe in both, a true spiritual religion, and science, and that actually spirituality had its own set of laws. This happened at a time when the division between the two was becoming firmly rooted. Does Dr. Peterson ever discuss Swedenborg?

[@RalphSasso]

We've Arrived!!!!

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:00: 📚 Existentialists Nietzsche and Dostoevsky accurately predicted the problems of the 20th century and greatly influenced psychologists like Freud and Jung. 4:09: 🔑 Nihilism is the logical conclusion of the transformation of Christianity into scientific investigation. 7:26: 🤔 The speaker discusses the difference between people who are tormented by existential ideas and those who aren't, and the connection between nihilism and atheism. 10:51: 🤔 The video discusses the connection between mythology, philosophy, and mental illness. 14:50: 📚 Nietzsche argues that social distress and physiological degeneration are not the cause of nihilism, but rather there are multiple interpretations of suffering. 18:05: 📚 Nietzsche criticizes Christianity for promoting a moral interpretation of the world that leads to nihilism. 21:46: 📚 The video discusses the motivation behind studying a particular subject and the revaluation of matter and its possibilities in philosophy. Recap by Tammy AI

[@cccchip04]

Pain is a gift If I can still feel, I can still think If I can think, I can create If I can create, I can make change I'd be selfish and hypocritical if I didn't use this gift. . Two types of pain one that hurts, and one that changes you. 😅 not my quote, random inspirational meme

[@cccchip04]

I been in some dark places, Gov. deemed me as an illegal human in my own birth country, I fought tooth & nail to keep my child. Saved my soul with volunteering & pulled myself away from su.cide. Earned my own home & thought, ok I can be normal & shake survival mode. Then covid mandates happened & I witnessed a new form of tyranny. I felt more dis-ease than I ever did when Gov. made me an illegal human & sent RCMP after me. Just seeing how fear makes people turn on each other, I could feel the rage grow inside me & I was scared to be that person again, loosing hope that community could get us through this. I felt my soul turning, I didn't want to see anymore, I didn't want to know what I knew anymore. I wanted to go back to being naive, thinking that I was ruining my family by caring too much. But it's who I am. It's what shapped humanity and philosophy. So, I let the pain take me, break me, change me, and it saved me. This pain is a gift. It keeps me alive, not just living. If I can feel I can still change.

[@cccchip04]

JP you helped me see that I'm not crazy and I'm not dumb, I just don't have the vocabulary you do 😅 I remembered that I know I'm on to something great, I just can't turn into what I defend against Warrior in the Garden, discipline n' duality and all that other adulting, mental health junk that's important ❤ Thankyou for being you, JP. You saving lives and rekindling souls, yo 🥰

[@JKDVIPER]

At a base, all humans want to be taken seriously. Or at least they should. We need to have some piss and vinegar even in our 50’s. Have a self was what I took from him. Of course, I haven’t read the books as of yet.”

[@julieschliesmann7682]

❤

[@Godwinsname]

Great stuff until the last few minutes. It's very possible to not know anything for certain yet still navigate this world: in surrender to it. And that leads to salvation. At least for me. Your mileage may vary, but may also not vary.

[@cccchip04]

I don't tell my son No that's wrong, I ask him why does he think that's hurtful or not helpful. I don't say go say sorry, I say how are we going to fix what we created and we go to try to fix it. Cause and effect of the actions the we choose to give this world, the energy we choose to make others have to live with, how we are apart of social evolution while we like it or not. Like yah, I have the right to act & feel how I want, BUT there is still cause and effect to the energy I choose to create. The power of chaos and order/G-d, Creator living through Creation, Power of Self, Concision- Wtfever y'all wanna call it, it all still comes down to self responsibility.

[@cccchip04]

😅 my comment might be off topic of the feeling helpless part of this clip, but the end of the clip, of the fake religious people, reminded me of why I changed my POV of "discipline" . And now I'm thinking of the difference between religion's rules vs. religious practices of self-discipline God will damn you to Hell Vs G-d means your actions feed the garden or rot it, creating helll in your soul that rots your mind, so practice good habits or reap what you sew

[@cccchip04]

You choose to stay a victim of circumstance, or you choose to survive to evolve, not just survive. Piles of shit can grow beautiful things, but the flower still has work to make something out of it.

[@RalphSasso]

You are the Professor. Similar to Peart.

[@karolinawalter]

Odd I’m not having issues but then again I survived Chernobyl at 149km away and it’s me you can learn from cause I have no criminal record but a medical I don’t die so easy and I’m a toxic persons worst nightmare cause the Holy Spirit make sure I never get manipulated

[@ปิยะทิพย์รักษ์-ฒ3ฤ]

Be satisfied with being human

[@iankclark]

He's pouring out his heart and soul and clearly suffering physically because he looks like hell.

[@DC-gh6dy]

Commenting for KZbin

[@NicolasSchaII]

Finally a comment section that isnt full of „nihilist“ edgelords

[@wn9861]

... something from nothing problem ... not much light down in the deepest oceans, yet life somehow flourishes in the darkness of water ... recently been brutally axed from my career because of liars ... mobbed out the doors and now stranded in a foreign country ... don´t ever expect employers to apply natural justice.

[@RalphSasso]

No Magnanimous Music though...........

[@ProzacDon]

This guy has killed me before

[@nataliesuper5836]

I've eaten from the apple. There is no going back. Do I wish I hadn't? Is being "pathetically pathetic, intellectually" less painful?

[@bbdass4598]

He looks well here. Much more rounder in face. He looks good now too. But you can see he has taken on the weight of the world

[@renx81]

This was almost a decade ago. People age.

[@KWL111]

The reason why he’s skinnier now is because he lost 50 pounds in 7 months on the carnivore diet, he’s much healthier because of it, but I also can’t imagine the weight on his shoulders and what that would do to a person.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

Check out the lectures from the 90's YOWZA. I do not recognize him until he opens his mouth. I can only imagine the girls in class blinking their eyes slowly, peeking with the words "Love You" written on eyelids.

[@DunderHead.5000]

Nihilism. It's become a kind of Megadeth world.

[@jamesdelcol3701]

I grew up very religious and when I read "On The Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin, I had a very hard time putting that back in the box. I spent a good amount of time in nature. I knew this all to be true. Academically, I was a literature major. The bible is very curious when you become a strong literary ability. I'd read the bible over and again for John Milton. And I was reading Aquinas and Aristotle. I figured out there was an unbelievable editorial process. These narratives about religion never went back for me. They all became part of politics and history of culture for me. Somewhere around 2000 I heard and read Chris Hitchens. I wrote him and corresponded with him about Vietnam. I really loved that guy. He wasn't a Nihilist at all. For Chris Hitchens life has tremendous meaning, but there is still no God.

[@q7winq7]

Hitchens was wrong.

[@cccchip04]

? Your oldest oldest videos are gone now Why?

[@doomstarks182]

Does any author other than Nietzsche have the ability to say so much and provoke so much thought with so little words?

[@andrewhobbins1915]

Dogma never left whether by the church or the state. The difference is that the state has direct control and threat and the church doesn't.Woke is the government or businesses themselves. The high divorce rate means the marriage is a business. The government treats people as taxable income and not you're human being. The problem is people are the beast of burden in a slave society that Capitalism breeds. People cause suffering on others for profit. Our own government believes in sacrificing people for democracy which is false. War and murder in itself is evil. United states has never gotten into self defense except during WW2?

[@Brien831]

Nietzsche believes states are the highest form of life denying institutions, the dragon of equality and stagnation.

[@thinkingyas4245]

[@emanuellasker3650]

Good grief! Most of what Man needs to make a good go may be derived from the antediluvian account in The Genesis.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

The Patterns repeat on all scales .. leading to the reveal of the Grand Pattern.

[@keithjohnsonYT]

Suffering for the truth, or suffering for a secret..a lie? (Who likes saying, “we’re living in a simulation”?) “{{{(((all good vibes)))}}}”🖕 Remember: The book is a collection of observations and reflections, it’s not a script. (Is it not hilarious, and terrifying..”scientists disagree” about anything?) I still say, the jolt you get when you unexpectedly see an old friend as you go about your daily activities..that’s inside you. The jolt you feel when the neighbor slams the door..that’s outside you. Also: Any intelligence outside my own, is alien…”as above, so below” (Stephen Hawking and Christ, are right…things aren’t looking good for the natives..”they know knot, what they do”) There may have been a day, when a walk through Egypt was like a tour of the cosmos, but it was probably the same day Moses arrived. (We’re gonna need a bigger Moses.) 🎭

[@risingtide_official]

Oh Jordan, you're living in the past.

[@gaelynharvey2061]

Can we get this man and Teal Swan in a room together for an hour to talk? Would love to see the outcome of that conversation!

[@Kevin-ts7hf]

He's been hesitant to associate himself with anyone so openly new age, but you know he must have some incredible thoughts on the subject.

[@gaelynharvey2061]

@@Kevin-ts7hf awh, darn- I wonder why that is. He definitely would have some amazing insights to share afterwards, that's for certain! Too bad... maybe one day though, who knows.

[@themightypen1530]

Dis back from when JP had that thiccness.

[@twilyte9557]

damn jordan you lost a hell of a lot of weight my man

[@kevinbeck8836]

Jordan and his entire project doesn't take the Death of God seriously. This quasi-scientific Jungian redefinition of God doesn't correct the issue of nihilism, it just completely sidesteps Nietzsche's critiques of Christianity and why he saw it as a nihilistic religion. The future of Christianity was always going to be nihilism but Jordan NEVER addresses that because those parts of Nietzsche are inconvenient for him

[@AyushmaanBisht-lm3hs]

Then I know this does not relate to what your point is, but what are your thoughts on nihilism? Is there an outlook you share that can counter it

[@kevinbeck8836]

@@AyushmaanBisht-lm3hsI have my own views on nihilism but it’s such a broad thing that I don’t think I could just shoot off about it. Personally, I’m motivated to comment on this video in the first place because I believe Christianity does a poor job of making sense of suffering and it promotes magical thinking. That’s just how I feel and it’s my beef with Peterson. As for Nihilism, I think it’s a stage all mature souls must move through.

[@conniedean3787]

In the US we had a former president Trump who has very LIBERAL moral sexual values

[@MichaelHartle-l7z]

but biden actually has a woman accusing him of rape

[@ericlweatherhog]

Life has no meaning unless you make up your own meaning.

[@chickenmonger123]

This thing is ridden with ads. Like fleas.

[@Tvrz]

No Single "Isim" is worth a plugged nickel... abandon all your damn isims... your sick with them

[@caleb6153]

Pudgy Peterson

[@JesseForgione]

He’s not remotely qualified to say what Nietzsche did or didn’t get right.

[@bigmammas]

You're not remotely qualified to say Peterson isn't remotely qualified to say what Nietzsche did or didn't get right.

[@conniedean3787]

In the US we had a former president Trump whose whole life is Total CHAOS

[@wateringthefate3890]

Jordan I've notice you like to dysect story's. Well when God flooded earth people were lazy had cell phones just as we do today. Now God saved Noah. And if we be like the days of Noah. What do you THINK worth teaching a people rebelled against a holy God before the fire comes to cleanse the EARTH.

[@12suns]

You will die a Muslim, and your tears will not hurt. They will flow till it hits the holy Quran. No I’m not anything. Messages just had to right might be wishful thinking

[@youbetyourwrasse]

I like your handle good sir. 12 is such a sacred number, and if you worship the sun, you will worship the Son.

[@MrAkismalam]

Your the Man Jordan.. But please for the love o' Christ stop crying...

[@metabalcanico5719]

Peterson is wrong on Nietzhe. Nietzsche celebrated the concept of "death of god", basically as a good and neccessary idea. So dangerously misrepresented, as with most things, Dr Peterson.