Epiphanies - Draftsmen S3E26

[@Draftsmen]

Tell us about a creative epiphany you’ve had! Did you have to seek it out, or did it come to you?

[@whatever3917]

Very interesting episode! I just had the epiphany that i call my epiphanies "observations" in my everyday life. huh. The biggest epiphany for me so far though, that i just learned recently. Is that i'm living in a World build by the consequences of human history. Just wow.

[@mikeg4691]

During the pandemic, drawing kept me sane to the point that I realized how fulfilling creating art is for me, strengthening my desire to want to create for a living.

[@morri4415]

it was july ths year, i came upon rinotuna's stream archive and it was a stream where they did studies, at that time, i've been drawing for a year already yet I still wasn't able to do ref studies (all i did was doodle). When i watched them paint, it just came to me that that was how i was supposed to do reference studies. I never understood how to do it until that time so when i finally had an idea on how to start and do it, it completely changed my life (and art) and i've been learning ever since.

[@OoziHobo]

season one of draftsmen podcast had a lot of epiphanies in it

[@rodneyabrett]

The foundational starting point of a drawing/sculpture WAS the final work. Everything else that comes after was mostly dressing.

[@TaterProduction]

that sound is absolutely incredible it is exactly like a dolphin and a chipmunk combined. mind blown out.

[@emayan6620]

27:20 Silliness really is a part of your brand, Stan. And this podcast is so much better for it. Don't ever lose the silliness.

[@daneelpotot1783]

Marshall talking about rediscovering van gogh and having a newfound appreciation for his work was honestly so poetic, i adore this man and his insights on life 🥰🥰

[@TaniaRouserArt]

Van Gogh was never among my favorite painters, and yet I had the biggest epiphany when I saw his paintings in a museum. I sat down and cried. No other art ever moved me that much. Reproductions don’t do it justice.

[@user-bi5le4ew5r]

my most recent epiphany is that as a beginner my goal shouldn't be becoming a good artist but a good art student

[@arthurhenriquecm]

Recentely I had a creative epiphany about WHY I liked artists with really different art styles (Kim Jung Gi, Syd Mead, Herbert James Draper and Leyendecker to name a few) and I realised it was not only the craft but their freedom. The stuff these artists made all feels like another version of reality that feels alive. Idk how to explain this one, it's really emotional hahah but yeah, I think it aligns with what Marshall says about Van Gogh, about having a vision.

[@TheArtofKAS]

Right RIGTH RIGHT

[@d1i9n2a2]

I think I know what you mean brother, like if their sould was a place and you're visiting?

[@koikkyu]

I just love how unique and enjoyable this podcast is thanks to Stan and Marshall’s personalities complimenting each other so well

[@capritsuno]

In a way, this was one of my favourite endings to an episode. There's just something about both Stan and Marshall's laugh right at the end. Can't wait to see you guys together again!

[@samantafloor]

One of the best episodes! Specially the part where Marshall talks about his trip to Paris, full of inspirations and insights about art and life. Loved it!

[@martiantony777]

I realized that i can't imagine yt without the Draftsmen! Thank you and love you guys!

[@sandbothe1]

I think it’s a great sound. Marshall had a subdued reaction compared to how most people would react, I think.

[@samdeaconart3772]

I'm not sure how much I got out of this i just like tripping out listening to Marshall talk

[@nelsonvieira9038]

I think everyone can be silly to an extend but the part that really clicked with me is "I feel comfortable with the silliness of the situation" know what makes you feel comfortable will get you far in life. and this was my Epiphany for this episode XD.

[@jeduardolopezo]

"It´s a nice sound, Stan... ". I´m dying 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@nategreyson6014]

+1 hahahahahahahaha

[@ashlorusso]

The chipmunk sound made my week lol thanks guys!

[@pawziart]

Best version of the ABCs I’ve ever heard

[@KristianNeeTV]

The road trip has been worth it!

[@charnich]

Awesome!! 😎

[@MK-nl6po]

As an architecture student this podcast is so important to be in refilling my cultural tank & deepening respect for artists. Do a podcast about graphic design!!

[@blessedandbiwithahintofmagic]

Omg Stan was an adorapeneur. That story is just precious.

[@d1i9n2a2]

1:08:00 There is a term for that type of experience, it's 'Stendhal Syndrom' or 'Florence Syndrom' they define it as a psychosomatic experience condition involving rapid heartbeat, fainting, confusion and even hallucinations, allegedly occurring when individuals become exposed to objects or phenomena of great beauty. Ive never fainted but ive felt some of the other ones with music and visual art!

[@ahmedyusuf1000]

My biggest epiphany was definetly when i learned how values work, at some point it just clicked!

[@smallcityadventures2300]

I can relate. I'm still not too good but learning working the values is very cool.

[@michelangelo_6933]

Still waiting for that shit to click 😅✍🏻

[@thr33keys]

I swear, I'm here for the artistic insights and not just because Stan is adorable.

[@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688]

Proko's sound makes me think of the aliens from Signs...STAN IS A ALIEN! OMG!

[@guystudios9878]

Can't wait until you guys get back in the studio!

[@thornton918]

do you happen to know when this is? it's the next episode isn't it?

[@guystudios9878]

@@thornton918 Should be next episode if not definitely a future one.

[@francoismahr]

Not so long ago, I figured out that training to draw the features of the face separately and intensively could help drawing better the entire face. And I am not that young (I am 42 and started drawing let's say 32 years ago, but I am not a professional) so that was not a quick take. In fact I was making fun of people drawing just the eyes or the mouth, I couldn't see the point. Now I do. Tough, it's possible that I just figured out that regular training could increase skill level significantly in a short amount of time. Thank you Stan and Marshall, I love the podcast.

[@whoopswhatever]

OMG! LMFAO 🤣! Great episode! My art epiphany was finally realizing I could learn a lot of Art from KZbin videos.

[@XtianApi]

The pepper spray is interesting. I always worked with my kids from an early age to introduce mistakes and failures to them. I have shown how I can try and fail and do the wrong thing but continue on and still accomplish a goal, or possibly unfortunately not. Not to make a corny Dad speech, but it does help them I believe to more quickly gain confidence.

[@greatwhitesufi]

That sound actually sounds like Perry the Platypus from Phineas and Ferb

[@jasmineparamitha7138]

Thank you, i'll never be able pay this life lesson. it help me craft my scattering puzzle.

[@blessedandbiwithahintofmagic]

Oh my goodness that is a cool sound. Stan knows how to sell a story.

[@Funtaman]

The sound was the best!

[@id10t31]

stan, that is one of the most impressive fucking sounds I've ever heard. It sounds damn near fictional. I wish i was in that room which exploded on that day

[@m.i.miller8008]

lol.. love the sound...hilarious...nailed it!

[@RareTechniques]

Love your stories, thanks for sharing.

[@victor1804]

30:21 HOLY SHIT HOW DOES HE DO IT!????

[@MickeyOHare]

Who is that? An Art Instructor? 30:33 PERRY THE ART INSTRUCTOR?!

[@TheArtofKAS]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😎👁👄👁

[@heyryanisonx3141]

omg ahahaha

[@_jzahmay]

Marshall alphabet. Beautiful Marshall.

[@XtianApi]

Wow the sound is actually impressive. I don't understand how you did that

[@DashCourageous]

I had Epiphany. I found that I had the bad habit of writing excuse me of drawing from left to right which made my drawings difficult and not feeling correct I don't know if that makes sense. So when I tried to draw right to left and bam! Everything changed and it was surprising, it screwed me up to actually realize it because I've been drawing with this bad habit of left to right for the last 30 some odd years as I've been learning and practicing and drawing and it drove me up the wall. 30 something years and that was the mistake that was messing me up. That's just one hell of an epiphany

[@kay8379]

Damn i had already so many epiphanies listening to this podcast

[@maorfreeman9474]

Marshall knows what's going on

[@traceyhoogveld1510]

absolute funniest show yet

[@s_otak]

put that sound at the end of an intro :)

[@riverriverchang5487]

I was dead upon hearing Stan made the sound and I immediately unlocked my phone to check the comment section. it’s not a surprise seeing all the comments are indeed about it lolll

[@unorthodoxbox]

I find from my experience getting taught in school compared to self taught the epiphanies tend to be a bit more dramatic or enotional when self taught. I think this is cause in school you're there to learn so these discoveries are less hard hitting whereas when your self taught relying on your own skill when it hits you it feels so rewarding and invigorating. This doesn't mean school isn't any less impactful it's just you're hit with epiphanies daily and new techniques that you kinda expect it. That's at least how I've seen it for the last ten years.

[@doaflamingo3713]

the moment when i realized i can use eyesocket negative space to draw an eye shape rather than using eye shape itself

[@colourmequaint9690]

Now I really want Marshall to explain what he learned from Robert McKee!

[@MoonHippie134]

we used to sell candy for my dance team and i thought it was boring so i made cupcakes out of the candy and up the prices. i sold twice as fast and made more money. 😁😁

[@mykal92684]

i don't know why but the sound is just satisfying. although i do feel like the alien is about to attack.

[@anoukadel6397]

Proko: What? Gah! You haven't seen You've Got Mail? It's like a classic. Me: What? Gah! You haven't been to Musée d'Orsay? It's like a classic.

[@TheArtofKAS]

I do appreciate the discussion here but I find it extremely difficult to remember your personal Epiphanies for the same reason as the muses. I can't study them for too long or they just vanish out of mind. One Epiphany it did have just this year was from an episode of DC's Legends of Tomorrow where two characters were looking for a small ring in a house and they didn't find the ring until they stopped looking. I took that as a sign to stop searching so hard and so much and sometime it's best to let the thing come to you over time. I do love that Stan's "Do The Roar" School screech is just Perry The Platypus. Now I can rest Easy. 😂 C.S Lewis' Till We Have Faces sounds a lot like American Psycho and the concept of the unreliable narrator since by the end, you tend to question what happened and what didn't

[@_spaceiscoolArt]

That sound he was making gave me PTSD from the movie Signs lmao

[@Ejerciciosfilosoficos]

You can build epiphanies by overcharging you with flashing images and your favourite music.

[@lanigirognithemos]

Martial is like wow scammers really do exist. Me: wow decent people really do exist lol

[@achasonc]

Insightful.

[@danaobera4207]

Here's mine: I've been trying to get into Marvel and DC, but my art is not to their liking or "house style". Then it hit me: stop drawing to please other people, draw to make myself happy first. Marvel/DC don't like it? Fine, I'm pretty sure there'll be market for my art.

[@xmaniaccc1]

Or like one of my favourite artists Daniel Warren Johnson, go deep in your style, do it for yourself and have Marvel and Dc offering you jobs.

[@xmaniaccc1]

Having said that, imo creator owned work is the way to go. As you pointed out

[@emayan6620]

Everything about (the video version of) this podcast is great except for one thing... the animation intro looks nothing like Marshall or Stan. I mean this is an art podcast, how bout getting their features right? Strange to let that slide. The drawing Stan did looks just like both of them.

[@xaigoart]

No one ever sang... the alphabet like this.😂

[@nonono9681]

55:18 Now its the contrary, there is so much information that you dont know what to pick. Also Robert Mackee has a method and a logic that other script writting people dont use at all. Its art, there is no universal way of doing it, so you can find a lot of other sources with conflicting points of view and a lot of different process... still way better than nothing like back then. I dont think that "Storyteller" is a good way of reffering to what Mackee teachs, literature has a lot to say about that and, also, he barely touch the process of creation, what he teachs is more about categorization and critic analysis that really teaching how to writte, identifying that a "good movie" needs a plot point at the end of act one is not the same than trying to do it yourself. Frankly i believe, truly, truly believe that Mckee is an old fart who doesnt know how to write, made a show about teaching mostly to people that dont want to write seriously but like to examine movies under that frame of reference that he teachs, so they can "understand how to writte" and feel that they are learning something, never questioning anything, never truly finding their process, having lots of sinopsis but 0 scenes (i have seen this over and over). Kinda like people who takes 1 month of figure drawing and believe that they understood how to do it, yet they cant because the art is in the details and the small problems and not in what their teacher says.

[@karakurie]

Commenting because I recently reread Robert Mckee's book yesterday. I found a scene I really like in a show that feels really well constructed and I wanted to find a way to deconstruct it and use its structure to create a different scene so my scene writing can be more effective. Its a aimple scene with great clear elements and great emotional payoff, and yet Mckee's book and methods do not work at all for this. His who polarity idea I thought I understood, I didn't, but my misunderstanding of it fits the structure a lot better and I was able to make an effective different scene. I thought polarity was like action, reaction, positive like a step forward, negative like a step back, so its like a dance. But he's talking about love vs hate, good vs evil, but if both characters love eachother and both characters are making mistakes with different motives, then how can I make a scene like that? My only thing about Robert Mckee is that any time I try to use his advice my stuff gets weaker and I don't know if I am misunderstanding him or not. Oh, but my idea of polarity worked pretty well and I followed music and dance structure instead. If positive is a step forward and negative is a step back, its easy to create good rhythm. (the requirements are knowing what the character motives are (must be conflicting, not total opposites. Like guy wants to go to the store, girl wants to go to the park. Not opposites but creates conflict) then the positive has to be the main character and the negative the other. And the climax of the scene is a big step after 2 small steps only from the main character (so without a reaction). The big step is a big choice, the other characters' reaction to it gives the reader a lot of information, and then by the end like McKee says the polarity should have switched. Maybe my method also doesn't make sense (I made it yesterday and tested in a few times and it worked, but there is probably a better way). My thing is I don't know how to write a scene that gives a lot of information to the reader and is also entertaining. Anyway...I frustrated with Mckee's book because whatever I hoped he said was not what he actually said and his actual methods do not work, at least for the scenes that give me the most emotional payoff. So what you said about Mckee's book being for critics rather than writers I understand better. Knowing that the scene is a fight between love and hate does not help me in any way witg writing a scene, only for making an essay about the scene. Save the Cat did help me a ton with storytelling and a lot of it was applicable to the stuff I was interested in. Helped me win a writing contest (also Kogo Noda's book on screenwriting was helpful in understanding history of screenwriting and the golden age of japanese cinema but I don't think there's an English version...). Mckee's book just confused me...

[@dswani5372]

"The world is divided into cheese, and not cheese."

[@EzmeralDraw]

Notification gang '_'

[@adamfikriduha]

hahahah that freakin sound that feels realy accurate

[@traceyhoogveld1510]

The sound lol, funny

[@adamfikriduha]

yeah i relate to the stan scam experience thankfully it wasnt much its like 3,5 $ dollar it happen in front of goverment office i was trying to get ID card and there's these bastards hanging around the front there's the desk and everything and he say he can get it done faster if i gave him the copy of the document for 7$ thankfully i only have half of that well of couse he accept it he even gave me his phone number when i get home i said to my parent it's done and my ma told me i get scammed and when i call the number trying to get my cash back i heard people laughing boiling rage simmer in me fiery fire of wrath ablaze i feel like a goddamn clown a fool i want to rip their face off and then i had an epiphany the goverment staff is in on the whole thing otherwise who would let people set up table in front of an office building those anger is still in me to this day and i grow more cynical as years pass

[@bigp8940]

I pissed myself in joy when I heard that you were going back to doing the show in person

[@sandwich336]

Marshall's palms are sweaty.

[@phoenixjames6126]

Perry the Platypus!!

[@kalisera31]

just an add to this, i think epiphanies happen because of failures.

[@TheDarkPatito]

i love to draw, but my job gives me tha money... i just have like 1 hours or 2 a day to draw and i think i waste it in stupid doddles... and i want to make a comic and a game... i dont want to let 5 years pass without making the comic or the game...

[@sandradonofrio413]

Christmas

[@WesDONG]

so stan sold his cheeks to his brother?

[@TheArtofKAS]

😂👁yes

[@nononouh]

52 55 66

[@sakerberg4512]

:D

[@CreativeGirlofColor]

Im not going to lie that thumbnail is racist 🤔smh yall need to change it

[@battmall9785]

How?

[@CreativeGirlofColor]

@@battmall9785 When people come from a place of privilege and you’re not always conscious of other cultures and was offensive and what isn’t especially when you don’t take the time to actually do the research

[@battmall9785]

Well surely you would be able to explain why that thumbnail is racist if you actually thought it was racist.

[@CreativeGirlofColor]

@@battmall9785 I did explain it I don’t know why the comment got deleted maybe somebody deleted it but first of all the fact that I have to explain it to you just shows that you don’t even understand but don’t you see the enslaved person clearly catering to the white people on the thumbnail i.e. super imposed face is Proko and Marshall.? I instantly got a feeling of PTSD looking at it like the ancestors were calling me. As a person of color I don’t wanna see this crap I really don’t we don’t need any reminders of the atrocities You get it?

[@CreativeGirlofColor]

@@battmall9785 why do you think this video only has 5000 views compared to their other videos because it’s distasteful and disgusting that’s why people are turned off by the thumbnail