Dragon Age: Inquisition - Loghain sends regards to Morrigan

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[@Enkidone]

Ah Loghain, Warden Commander of Orlais. The irony isn't lost on me.

[@LeohTheArcher]

baconsarnies2 I like to head canon him as the Warden's rep to the Orlesian nobility.

[@HarryBillyBobGeorge]

Truly, this is far more cruel than executing him. Gonna change my Keep before my next Inq playthrough.

[@notahamster333]

Hey man, Sten called, he says he wants his punchline back.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@HarryBillyBobGeorge lol, I would NEVER do that, Iosing Alistair to him? Never.

[@thequestion174]

@@SeventhheavenDK Alistar actually becomes a warden after Dragon Age 2 if you do so there's a upside.

[@Moumoku-Kage]

Loghain always mentioning Maric. You can tell Maric means a lot to him, even after all this time. Even after all Loghain's done. I like that.

[@ZrodyApo]

Sort of a bromance between them

[@millenniumfae]

Personally, I think they were romantically involved. There's something of a love between them.

[@Moumoku-Kage]

They were friends. Brothers, even. Such a bond is not easily broken. Even with everything that Loghain has done post-Ostagar, I think Maric might be the only person to truly understand.

[@ZrodyApo]

Maggie Wang I don't think so, but they loved the same woman, Rowan the mother of Cailan, or at least, Loghain loved her but Maric had to marry her in order to unite Ferelden.

[@millenniumfae]

Well, yeah. There's really no 'proof' that Maric and Loghain were ever in a relationship, but I like to think that they were.

[@JayIceColdD]

Translation: "She doesn't return my calls. Hook a brother up."

[@inspectorjavert8443]

Hell no man that girls mine, get your own.

[@rngrtt3689]

Well, DA-O party banters between Loghain and Morrigan gives a bit of an insight to why the two of them don't hookup often

[@prideofasia99]

@@rngrtt3689 I mean, there had to have been a little something for the ritual to have happened...

[@thegeneralpopulace8513]

@@prideofasia99 Yeah,a direct order.

[@MPRoy90]

Grey Wardens have the coolest armor in the game imo

[@mrpachaaa]

+letsgetcyclic al Not that any designs in DA3 are good (when compared to DA2/DAO) but oh well.

[@MrItsaplane]

BS there's tons of great designs in DAI.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

Yeah, all those great DA:I armor designs like the Warden armour, which isn't as good as in DA:O, the Templar armour, which isn't as good as in DA:O, the Dragon Hunter armour, and I can't think of any others. That's how memorable they are, I'm replaying it right now and am nearly at Adamant, and yet I can only remember three sets of armour. I love Inquisition. But in terms of spells, weapons and armour DA:O was vastly superior.

[@GoodaleNation]

Wasn't most of the armor in DA:O the same but with a different color scheme?

[@Cyberkensai]

Yeah I heavily disagree with what the other guy was saying. The armors in DA:O were very bland for the most part and largely recolors. There were a few unique sets that were cool, but all of the generic sets were just that - generic recolors. There were like 2 main types of heavy armor, leather armor, and robes and then each of them were recolored several times - and the color schemes were all really drab too. The designs from 2 and Inquisition were much more unique.

[@datemasamune2904]

Loghain thinks the Wardens are worth saving? Hah! In Origins, that would have been incredibly difficult to believe.

[@datemasamune2904]

***** The Wardens, Anora, apparently half of Ferelden if you don't inform them about him being crappy and the Inquisition's Quartermaster.

[@jasperl1531]

+Daelyx Auphydas Loghain is gr8, actually. Have you read the book?

[@jasperl1531]

***** Cailan, read the book if you can.

[@TheFrostyVision]

+Daelyx Auphydas Loghain's motivation was that eamon and cailan were planning to divorce his daughter and marry the empress of orlais and merge the 2 nations together. That was the rumor going around anyways that eamon was planning that. The last straw was when cailan asked for orlais to send chevaliers to help combat the blight. He hated orlais and didn't want to see the kingdom fall to orlais again that's why he betrayed cailan. He also disliked the wardens at the time because they were banished for centuries in ferelden and most of the wardens that came to the newly created ferelden order were orlesian wardens. In his mind he was the good guy and believed that he was the only one who could stop the blight and save ferelden from orlais. That was his motivations all along. Which is why loghain is actually one of my favorite villains in any game series... because he actually thinks he's the good guy.

[@jasperl1531]

buddyjesus He's one occasion where bioware did grey morality really well

[@j.ackermann9110]

Most of this wardens are people from orlais, its irony that loghain is the boss now...

[@bindair_dundat]

Most of the Fereldan Wardens have been dead for 10 years now.

[@LinUzumaki]

+Bindair Dundat and awakening? Oghren? etc?

[@TheFrostyVision]

+J. Ackermann That's not true. Most the wardens we see are from orlais because the ferelden banished the order for decades until maric brought it back. So most of the southern wardens in ferelden happen to be guys from orlais because they don't have people to fill the ranks in ferelden just yet. their headquarters is actually in the anderfels which is in the north.

[@bindair_dundat]

buddyjesus But King Maric did brought the Wardens back into Fereldan. And they later died, all but two, at Ostagar. Those were what little Wardens the Fereldans had. Apart from the few that joined later during Awakening.

[@bagr565]

He killed the wardens from Ferelden 10 years ago.. do not you remember?

[@MisterDutch93]

Loghain looks like Willem Dafoe in Inquisition.

[@seby826]

He Does Doesn't he ?

[@sasimesquita8151]

MisterDutch93 I WAS JUST THINKING THE SAME 😂

[@takemehome42]

And now I can’t unsee it.

[@Maples01]

Hawk met is destiny, the second game, upon completing the quest for Flemeth she tells Hawk when he meets the abyss, something about making the jump, and that quest in the third game happens to be named into the abyss. I hadn't made the connection the first time I completed it, yet felt Hawk should stay, as the wardens needed their commander, after a quick check in the second game I think Hawk just may have survived, since it was his destiny

[@dansecorgi1394]

@Legendary Vocalists @Legendary Vocalists or maybe Flemeth made Hawke a sample of her living vessel or what does it called? Mythal's vessels? just like what Morrigan found out when she reads Flemeth's Grimoire. Since that stupid egg (Solas) turned her to a stone, it made her invulnerable but her soul (Mythal's soul) can travel and use a specific vessel and just by saying those words to Hawke in Dragon Age 2 and having a unison with her for fighting corypheus in DAI gave Flemeth a time to prepare Hawke as the new vessel of Mythal 🤔 If you played Dragon Age 2, Flemeth is interested to Hawke (not romantic). Can't wait for Dragon Age 4!

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Maybe his destiny was to sacrifice himself. Lol.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@dansecorgi1394 . I really doubt that Hawke will become a vessel for Mythal.

[@nickrffpatellis852]

@@dansecorgi1394oh I would absolutely LOVE it if its a possibility

[@Doesnotmatternomore]

I love Loghain, but I really have to wonder if he's capable of going an hour without mentioning Maric.

[@andrewvincent7299]

Loghain never got closure with Maric. Maric went missing at sea and Loghain spent a few years looking for him but never found a trace. Having no closure with a close friend who is like a brother is the worst thing in the world. So you can really tell that he misses Maric. At least Alistair got closure with his father. Read the comics if you haven't already.

[@Blazingstoke]

♪It's Guy Love between two guuuuys!♫

[@nickrffpatellis852]

I think these two might have been preeety buzy under the sheets

[@spalenzagabriel]

@@andrewvincent7299 imagine what will happen if Alistair gets to meet his mother. Hope BioWare installs “Inquisition chose mages” as canon.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

@@spalenzagabriel Alistair: Fiona. You are lying! I mean come on. I don't even look like an elf. Do you really expect me to believe you are my mother?

[@deemandude6131]

That moment where a dude looks younger in the 3rd game, set years after the 1st

[@matthewgaviola8885]

Deeman Dude good genes I suppose? Lol

[@SeventhheavenDK]

If you are talking about Loghain, I find him looking older in this game

[@spalenzagabriel]

It’s the taint. Kills you quickly but you’ll go to the deep roads to die looking good. just don’t let anyone see you after you go in, just remember Larius.

[@fiercetin]

Aged like a fine wine 🍷

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

Kind of sucks that this makes so many people approve or disapprove of the action. It's pretty obvious that the Grey Wardens are important to the cause, even if Corypheus can corrupt them. They'll all be glad of the Inquisitor's choice for sparing them when the next Blight shows up.

[@joshuagross3151]

I miss the days you could soften the approval loss with Coercion or tactical jargon.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

You mean the Evanuris shows up

[@Pfisiar22]

@@joshuagross3151 in several cases, you can. You can mitigate Viviene's disapproval from allying with the mages rather than conscripting them by suggesting that mages belong as part of the chantry or that the circle needs to exist. also, each companion has more than enough opportunities for approval that a single greatly disapproves isn't going to matter.

[@MatrixMiles17]

Alistair has a better reaction to sending a message to Morrigan. "Tell Morrigan...tell her I just stood there like an idiot." Oh Alistair, just like that one line in Origins that the Warden can say "He is an idiot, but he's my idiot." 50% why I love you and wouldn't want you here.

[@ShiningWolf88]

Why the hell does Loghain look like Willam Defoe?

[@fenthewitcher4961]

+Shining Wolf LMFAO!!! That's just great.

[@jodilackie2097]

Shining Wolf Just what I was thinking!! 😳😏

[@andrescampian5288]

ME AND YOU CAN RULE THIS CITY INQUISITOR

[@Li_Tobler]

He reminds me of idubbbz tbh

[@freaky66]

Lmao

[@eldadmaster]

Man, wardens have the most badass armors...

[@matthewgaviola8885]

If only they had that in origins

[@shadowdweller1000]

If you played DA2 then you should remember Flemith telling Hawke that when the void stands before him, that he should not be afraid to take the leap. or something like that. So I think leaving Hawke behind means he will live but leaving anyone else means death.

[@Cynistrelle]

shadowdweller1000 ergh no hawke is really dead she wasn’t talking about inquisition it was a metaphor

[@spalenzagabriel]

@@Cynistrelle it’s Flemeth we’re talking about. Coming from her I doubt nothing. We know the grand purpose she had for saving the Warden back in Origins, but why did she saved Hawke? Why trust him with a piece of her godly soul? With the Warden was to purify urthemiel’s soul from the blight, but why Hawke? What could she have planned for Hawke? Flemeth and her daughters have a reason for everything. Why would it be different with Hawke?

[@hayleybartek8643]

@@Cynistrelle Unless we see the body, it doesn't count.

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

@@spalenzagabriel Hawkes purpose was to be at the event that truly caused the mage rebellion and, in a way, start the Inquisition, even if he/she didn’t become Inquisitor. Their story is, for all intents and purposes, done. There is no point to bring them back if they were left in the fade.

[@celanon8460]

@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 Well, Bioware has the incredible power of allowing them to come back in the future Leliana style (which means plot armor so thick for the sake of convenience). Prior to the release of the next games in the series, naturally we'd think that a certain character's story ends in that specific game, like how Merrill is just some character in the Dalish origin or Isabela was mostly just a teacher of the Dualist specialization for DA:O. So, I don't see any reason as to why Hawke couldn't come back in a future installation. We didn't see them explicitly die so it could be anything.

[@simranwhitham3075]

I love Loghain's character so much although I feel terrible for leaving my Hawke to ''apparently'' die and leaving Merrill on her own I feel like I made the right choice Loghain is the leader the wardens need plus I think the story could become more interesting with him alive than it would with Hawke.

[@RuritaniaJinx]

Absolutely second that.

[@MrJordwalk]

***** I didn't like how Origins story had such a railroad feel to it. Yes, we could choose how the story unfolded but the amount of choice in the narrative was too limited. For example at Ostagar, I would have loved to have had the choice of joining Loghain because I agreed with his assessment of the situation. Cailan was a young and selfish fool who treated being King like a game and didn't care about anything beyond his own personal glory. I'm glad he died. Also, Loghain was right that Wardens did kill him in a sense. They didn't physically kill him, but his fascination with their legend blinded him and caused him to overestimate the impact that our Wardens could've had on the battle. There was no victory to be had at Ostagar, and I hated that I was forced to be fight against Loghain, a man that my Wardens didn't really want to because they agreed with him.

[@LiaraGaming]

I'm still debating which choice I prefer.

[@simranwhitham3075]

Liara Games I know how difficult that can be I put off playing DAI for 2 whole days before coming back to this section and making my decision lol.

[@RuritaniaJinx]

Cole Jordan I see your point. The thing is that I liked Cailan, because he was good person and a friend.... but an inprepared king. He was blinded by the legends, surrounding the Grey Wardens. During a dialogue between the Warden and Duncan, the latter heavily implies the aforementioned. Loghain, on the other hand, is a practical war veteran, who knows what has to be done. However, I consider that his decision of abandoning the Cailan and the rest to their bitter end a mistake. Things could have been different.

[@jefthereaper]

this is me hoping in the next game, when you go into the fade to stop the dread wolf, you find Loghain or Hawke (whoever you tossed out to fight nightmare) has survived and learned to use the fade to stay alive. Joining you from there.

[@jcksparrowfan]

"couldn't you just use rocks" there's an image...

[@JustSomeGuyInAChairIDunno]

Claire Dé Lune I like the image of the inquisitor flinging grey wardens at corypheus better :p (preferably with catapults)

[@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м]

Would be really ironic if Viv was the Rift Mage instead of Knight-Enchater. There's at least two spells that involves throwing rocks there.

[@amberhernandez]

I love how almost every one of Vivienne's lines can be answered with "Fuck off, Vivienne."

[@gaunjee4182]

god Loghain. I want to hate you.. but I really cant. he is logical...omfg he would be a perfect qunari

[@rngrtt3689]

He hates them.

[@easternlights3155]

Didn't Sten tell him something like that in Origins?

[@alexc119]

"Cole Greatly Disapproves" oh my gOD NOT WAIT LET ME GO BACK I'LL EXILE THOSE MEAN WARDENS THEN BABY

[@SusanaCanales1]

WhatItMeansToBeHuman you can earn his approval back by doing his personal quest xD

[@DraculaCronqvist]

Who cares? It's about what you, as the player like or dislike. If you let yourself be influenced by the opinions of your followers, who, for the most part, are POS anyway, then you defeat the point of playing the game in the first place.

[@CheekyDragonTV]

DraculaCronqvist Are you a moron? I really hope it was sarcasm, or do you not understand a joke.

[@notahamster333]

ugh..

[@TheCorrodedMan]

My opinion exactly,I shall not stand for my mentally unstable adoptive son being upset by those blight-botherers.

[@ShootRomeo4free]

Am I the only one or does Loghain look a bit like Willem Dafoe?? :D

[@TheFrostyVision]

so the taint made him look younger haha

[@goldenrod285]

I love Vivienne's reaction!

[@TheVRetief]

Damn, Loghain. When was the last time you got any sleep?

[@anevenbluerjay]

All my favorite companions greatly disapprove, which sucks, because saving the wardens is the practical thing to do. There's an arch demon, you still need a grey warden to kill it.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

You have the supposed "Blackwall" at that time.

[@steel58836]

@@SeventhheavenDK and when he kills it and the "supposed" archdemon comes back, they'll realize that Blackwall wasn't a grey warden at all

[@vermilion6966]

@@SeventhheavenDK like one fake warden is enough?

[@xenon8117]

Corypheus doesn’t actually have an Archdemon it’s just a dragon.

[@rauden340]

Xenon They *believed* it to be an archdemon

[@thegreatmoustachio]

Loghain is a complex character. Everything he did in DA:O was for Ferelden, and yet he is still considered the bad guy because he opposed the grey wardens.

[@DeviantFish]

Love how complex characters are in DAI. Almost any single statement you say about them is incorrect. I think the writers summed up their philosophy in one of Varric's lines: "The best villains don't see themselves as evil, they're fighting for a good cause, willing to get their hands dirty."

[@josephmort4039]

And left the king to die, and hunted you like a dog, and let Ferelden slip into a civil war during a Blight...

[@goddessofthetrash]

He also allowed the enslavement of people in the alienage, torture of people who didn't support him, attempted to steal the throne from his daughter and/or Alistair (depends on who you wanted to rule). Just to add on, he was a horrible man.

[@Vinicius9851]

^Also poisoned Eamon, supported Howe on the slaughter of the Couslands, prison his own daughter, supported Uldread rebellion(with blood magic)...yeah he just opposed to the grey wardens...

[@thegreatmoustachio]

No one is saying that he was a perfect person. He's not. However, everything he did, he did for Fereldan (a cause that he felt was worth any means to defend). He fought for years for Fereldan's freedom, just to see a boy king ready to hand the kingdom over to would be usurpers. He apposed the Grey Wardens because: a) In the past the Grey Wardens tried to take over Fereldan. b) He looked at the Grey Wardens as potentially Orlesian spys. c) He believed that the Grey Wardens purposely lit the torch late, thus killing the king. Let's face facts, even if he'd charged the moment the torch was lit, the king still would've died. For all of these reasons he fought the Wardens tooth and nail, believing they meant the death of Fereldan sovereignty. Everything else he did can be explained as ignorance. Why did he allow Fereldan to slip into chaos? Because he didn't trust anyone other than himself to lead Fereldan through the trouble ahead. Everything he did was for Fereldan. His biggest mistake was thinking that he could defeat the blight without the Wardens (he didn't know about the archdemon).

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

It would be incredibly short sighted to exile the Wardens from Orlais. Yes, they made a horrific mistake. Yes, their crimes deserve punishment. No, the world won't go on without them. Until the very last Archdemon is slain, the Wardens are neccessary, no matter what they do.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

Precicely. The Wardens are instrumental to the survival of Thedas. And besides, who is to say that the Archdemons really are these Old Gods? That's just Chantry propaganda, and the Chantry has been proven to be wrong about many things. What if they're wrong about that, too? What if there are more Archdemons to be awoken? What if there will always be Archdemons? But even *if* there would be only two, or three more... Then until then, everything the Wardens ever do is justified.

[@spalenzagabriel]

We still have 2 archdemons to go... 2 Archdemons and 5 priests of old gods. Corypheus and the Architect are 2, but what about the other 5? For me the blights will never be over as long as the original magisters who tainted the golden city aren’t dealt with.

[@justastudent1423]

@@spalenzagabriel actually there may be an extra Old God, so maybe there are still 3 arch demons to go

[@spalenzagabriel]

@@justastudent1423 An Extra Old God, who?

[@justastudent1423]

@@spalenzagabriel name unknown. But there's an 8th constelation depicting a dragon, something Tevinter only did for Old Gods, so maybe one of them was erased from records for some reason. I tried to post a link but KZbin deleted my comment because of it

[@Cici-mw7jz]

For anyone who wants to know more about Loghain, Maric, Rowans relationship as well as a small encounter with Flemeth, I would recommend reading: Dragonage, The Iron Throne. I don't like to give spoilers so if you read it you will be given a lot of answers.

[@TheHunchy101]

Cici 789 They're always out of stock :/

[@xenon8117]

Do you mean The Stolen Throne? The Iron Throne is Game of Thrones.

[@MammothMorals]

​@@xenon8117which ironically, dragon age origins is based on

[@MADVILLAIN669]

Loghain was always one of my favourites, because he's voiced by Dr. Doom actor from the second season of 94's Fantastic Four. And he's also one of the best strategists left alife and I felt like keeping him alive is more important, besides my Hawke would always prefer to die like a badass hero and not leave somebody else behind

[@Infestsession]

thanks for all the vids, awesome that you take the time to put all these different scenes up, even when they're simple little things like this. one thing though, you spelt Morrigan wrong in the title, just letting you know, if you hadn't caught it.

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

Aww thank you ^^ and I corrected, thanks for catching that :)

[@Infestsession]

no problem.

[@arbington]

I spared Loghain in the first game and was actually taken aback when Alistair got butthurt about it. At the time I just thought we obviously needed more Wardens and becoming one is a death sentence anyway so sparing him just made the most sense. When Alistair left I was like fine leave be that way. I then hooked up with Loghain’s daughter on the side to become King and left her once royalty got boring to rejoin my witch girlfriend, and then Alistair becomes king eventually anyway so no downside to it in the end. But what surprised me was how much I actually ended up liking Loghain. He gets major character development, he truly feels remorse for his betrayals and sets himself on the path to become an excellent Warden. And then in the Fade he’s ready, he’s willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good without a second thought. Tells you to pick him to die. I did. An honorable death for an honorable man, I thought it was a perfect ending to his character arc.

[@lna3108]

Of course solas disapproves je always does, it annoys me how my companions hate this decision despite the fact the wardens are necessary to the survival of basically everyone

[@kensredemption]

It really annoyed me that the Grey Wardens are being shit on by the Inquisition - despite their history in Thedas. Honestly, I’d love to be able to play as my old Warden again - or at least another one to help with this impending war against Solas and his attempt to destroy the world.

[@mattwordsworth9825]

To be fair they were helping with blood magic, obviously the regular Warden soldiers were tricked and they can be convinced to stand down. They were fighting Inquisition soldiers who are no slouches and who were trained by Templars.

[@qwibqwib4645]

So cruel to make me choose between Loghain and Hawke I love them both

[@dracawyn]

I want to do a playthrough with Loghain... but I think I'm just too emotionally attached to Alistair.

[@spalenzagabriel]

There’s always Stroud.

[@ДмитрийМачулин-ч3т]

It may be too late but if you harden Alistair, you can marry him on Anora and take Loghain.

[@GabrielBelmont4727]

Morrigan? Loghain sends his regards stab stab

[@seby826]

the warden already did that in the Witch hunt, now it's the inquisitor's turn

[@fosaimaginator3920]

Seeing how Loghain acts in Inquisition, it's really hard to remember how horrible he was in Origins

[@spalenzagabriel]

Nothing like defeat and national humiliation to bring back the best in a persons personality.

[@Montegoraon]

White hair seems to be a popular choice for Inquisitors. (Same here)

[@ДмитрийМачулин-ч3т]

My Warden has white hair.

[@vermilion6966]

Cassandra dissaproves for 'recruiting' the wardens? What the f*ck Cassandra? Your chantry, seekers and templars are jsut as bad and you were in no hurry to dismantle any of it. Wtf.

[@MrGreenberet74]

I honestly can't take this Inquisitor seriously. She sounds like she's about to start crying at any minute. Respect for the dwarf/qunari voice though.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

There is no qunari/dwarf voice. You can use any voice for any Inquisitor.

[@angeldutchess2996]

I know many people are commenting on Loghain or the Wardens. But I love Viviennes comment at 1:55 . Dear Maker the SASS!

[@fyorbane]

Ah, Loghain you snake, you rightfully died in my playthroughs but here you are alive and well and still looking shifty and untrustworthy.

[@DCWAGE]

The gray warden amour is the n7 amour in dragon age universe

Grey Wardens are N7's of the future :P

[@chasingyeng949]

what hawke was sacrifice for him ughh.

[@ipeeontheworld]

People that sacrifice Hawke are monsters. Hawke is the best character from DA, along with Merrill as his waifu.

[@vermilion6966]

Dude. Srsly. 99% that Hawke is alive. Remember Flemeth, she said in her "prophecy" something like dont be afraid to jump into the abyss when the time comes or smth along the lines.

[@daledotson4336]

The last time I trusted Logain he killed the king

[@TheSourpatch01]

Pretty sure an ogre did that...

[@dwinonuggies4521]

yeah but he allowed it to happen lol..

[@xenon8117]

@@TheSourpatch01 Semantics, Loghain betrayed us and let the army die including the Grey Wardens and Cailan.

[@marwansoliman5157]

Cailan killed himself

[@BlueSpartan107]

"Give my regards to the witch?" What kind of line is that?!

[@kuroakikitsune]

out all of the times i've played origins, never have i ever forgiven loghain...

[@Cynistrelle]

kuroakikitsune kuro you made it personal when you shouldn’t have wardens are not ”good people” there’re just good fighters

[@xenon8117]

I’ve done 5 runs of Origins and Loghain always dies with me.

[@Piretfreak87]

I played Origins many times but I would never chose Loghain over Alistair.

[@AlexZebol]

Choose over? Like what? I always made Alistair King along with Anora and Let Loghain join. that would be stupid not to, IMHO.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@AlexZebol . I am not losing Alistair over the tracherous Loghain as a teammate. That is for sure.

[@AlexZebol]

@@SeventhheavenDK making Alistair a drunkard or keeping hin as Grey Warden is denying his fate and just plain wrong.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@AlexZebol . That is why in my game Alistair and Anora rule jointly (with Surana as his mistress). But Loghain dies, that is for sure.

[@kocashima]

@@AlexZebol Alistair being a baby about not recruiting more help during a blight at least for me shows that he doesn't really get being a warden

[@kirikakirikakirika]

Where's Varric?

[@matthewgaviola8885]

Oh Solas, what if a Blight erupted before you could destroy the world?

[@thequestion174]

What's the number one rule about dying in fiction????? No body no death....remember that.

[@treblebat]

Vivi's response made me giggle she is a true snow queen

[@Pumpernickel420]

My first time playing this game in 2014 I used the base world state, so I had stroud, a year or so back I made a world state and started again but never got past hinterlands, been replaying it it a couple weeks got 80 hours in it, the world state I made ended up having stroud also, would of been cool to see Loghain

[@mermpydermpy2047]

Getting major Maric feels...

[@DarkSun2603]

I like much the effort I have personally to save Loghain. First, not to choose Alistair to fight against Loghain. Second, you must choose that Loghain become a Grey Warden. Third, you must participate on Morrigans Ritual. And finally... you must choose that Hawke stayed in the fade. After I read the books I really like Loghain. He also saw no other options as retreat from Ostagar after the signal comes to late. It was never his intention to let Cailan die. His cruel mistakes did he do as Regent. First to blame the Grey Warden for the death of Cailan, (he really thought this way I think, because of the signal for example) torturing Riordan, make Howe to an important man, sell elfs into slavery (very hard) and poisened Eamon (the worst) But he really did all of this because he thought this is the best for Ferelden. He did nothing for his own beneficial. And in the end, he saw how strong the Warden is and he see that he was wrong, that he is the only one who can save Ferelden. He dont deserve for me to die in the Landsmeet. And on my play through and world state... all possible Grey Warden or former Grey Warden lives. The Warden, Alistair, Loghain, Anders, Oghren, Nathaniel, Sigrun, Velanna, Carver, Stroud 👀

[@spalenzagabriel]

Loghain can’t speak 3 sentences without mentioning King Maric.

[@kevlarkevin1840]

Do you get this if you had Loghain sleep with Morrigan to produce the Old God Baby?

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

Kevin Tierney No, you get it even if he didn't sleep with her, but they must meet in Skyhold (so do Winter Palace before Adamant) for him to send his regards.

[@TheHunchy101]

So sad what happen with Clarel. Would have loved to recruit her into the Inquisition. Ugh!

[@spalenzagabriel]

It’s not like the Inquisition don’t have a band of people who committed horrific mistakes.

[@MrPlee01]

I wish there was a "bitch slap Vivienne" button, and no matter how many times I played Origins, I ALWAYS shivved Loghain.

[@scarcehyperion2148]

One thing I’ve always wondered is do we really trust Loghain to lead the Wardens? I spared him so he could redeem himself through just being a regular warden, fighting Darkspawn and seeking new recruits, not becoming the Warden Commander of Orlais. Idk it’s just after the shit he pulled in Origins I’m hesitant to give him the power to potentially make decisions like that again. Alistair, who remained a warden in my secondary world state, I fully trust to lead, same with Stroud even if his character isn’t that interesting, but even though the game makes clear he knows he screwed up I just dont know if he’s right for leadership. That’s how I try and justify saving my Hawke XD

[@kocashima]

I mean Loghain is also more than willing to make the final sacrifice

[@scarcehyperion2148]

kocashima yeah that’s another reason I left him in the fade in Inquisition. It kinda felt like I robbed him of his heroic sacrifice moment once by doing the dark ritual so I decided he could have it here instead.

[@user-kq2gt6yy3o]

Dunno if I'm going to play DA4, but I'm aching to see Loghain again, (he's still alive and heading to weishaupt in my DAI)

[@inspectorspinda]

did loghain break his arm in this scene? it looks like part of it is clipping. i was crying because i thought someone chopped his arm off for a second

[@LadyDeWynter]

well, getting away from that nice little explosion-thing with only a broken arm seems pretty lucky, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did. poor baby

[@beverlyarcher3744]

Oh yeah because flinging rocks helped in the past HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HAVEN WERE YOU ASLEEP THE WHOLE FIGHT

[@CryptCross]

Loghain looks great!

[@spencersmith5949]

So that scout is who shows up if you didn't bring Varic?

[@deathorigin23]

That's not Loghain, that's Willem Dafoe

[@rambofan334]

"You know, I'm something of a grey warden myself."

[@Nerfreoum]

In this video he seems almost nostalgic about Morrigan, but it's not logical. Do you remember how scared and disgusted he looked when he was in bed with her? he wasn't happy about it (just like Alistair).

[@Cynistrelle]

Nerfreoum uncomfortable doesn’t mean scared

[@SirBennington11]

@@Cynistrelle But it's not really any better...

[@Asgard72]

WHERE LOGHAIN'S ARMOUR OF RIVER DANE!?

[@Cynistrelle]

Asgard72 he is a grey warden now

[@bindair_dundat]

I played Origins ages ago. Kind of lost track. What needs to happen for Loghain to be Grey Warden? Is it the Anora queen alone and Alistair a drunk option? And if Loghaine is Warden, is it him you meet in DA2 if you take Bethany and Anders down the Deep Roads, or is that still Stroud?

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

+Bindair Dundat It's queen Anora + drunk Alistair, I don't remember what happens in DA2.

[@Linkforlife199]

+FluffyNinjaLlama You can also have Alistair and Anora marry with Warden Loghain. Alistair leaves your party to marry Anora if Loghain lives and Loghain takes Alistair's place in the party.

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

+Linkforlife199 Yes, but my Warden married Anora in this particular world state.

[@phosphoros3050]

+Linkforlife199 Though in order for that to be possible you need to harden Alistair in his personal quest just after he meets Goldanna.

[@bindair_dundat]

Phosphoros Yeah, I replayed that duel with Loghain countless times because the outcome was never to my liking. If I spared Loghain, Alistair refused to marry Anora, despite previously convinced. If I let Alistair duel Loghain, there was no spare option. If Alistair killed Loghaine, Anora refused to marry him, despite previously convinced. The only option to have both Anora and Alistair on the throne was for me to kill Loghain myself. Later, I found that what I wanted (Loghain in my party and Alistair and Anora ruling together) is ONLY achieveable if Alistair is hardened before, which was not known to me as something with consequences at that time.

[@aaron75fy]

if I must, but I think she forgot about you long ago

[@recjr7685]

I've never hated Inquisition more than when the inner circle, who knows full well that the wardens only did what they did because they were manipulated by forces beyond mortal ken, overwhelmingly disapproved of your decision to not exile them while only a few approved

[@stonecianomars5838]

Wow Vivien. Just wow

[@FreakDaMIghet]

I kind of like how Loghain kind of redeems himself in Inquisition. Unfortunately, he is a traitor and abandoned Cailan to die. As much as I like him as a character, I can not allow him to live. Alistair, as the rightful heir to the throne, beheaded him.

[@PitchBlack1996]

I think so too!

[@moomimi]

That cinematic you could see Loghain forces didn't stood a chance to win that battle. I hate how salty he is to King Cailan but it is not a battle he could win.

[@adamrohrer1175]

You fool, you would have had Loghain throw away his entire army?! All to appease a foolish kings dreams of glory?! Ostagar was a hopeless cause, with or without Loghain.

[@Pheonixfirestar]

+Joe Shmoe we don't know that for sure plus Logain protested ANY extra aid from Orlais so they was on their own anyway he was the real fool, but I executed Logain for different reasons like the betrayal of the grey wardens and smearing their name for something he did, for selling elves into slavery which they will never see their families again, also letting arl Howe butcher the elves in the alienage, and for letting arl Howe torture and killing nobles who supported the grey wardens.

[@FreakDaMIghet]

Phoenixfireheart Basically his desperation and hatred of Orlais drove him to make one mistake after another until eventually he had dug himself too deep to recover. I like him as a character, but as he says in the novel The Stolen Throne, "It's justice." In a way, I think even he believes himself worthy of execution.

[@marlondesouza6627]

You only show us the videos Fluffy, but I wanted to know, who do you actually prefer to save in the fade? I suppose Hawke and Stroud is an no-brainer. But what about Loghain and Alistair?

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

Marlon De Souza Alistair>Hawke>Loghain>Stroud :) I will keep 1 Loghain alive in some future playthrough though, just to see him in next game.

[@TrueMortalGaming]

FluffyNinjaLlama Do you think that the dlc will take place at the grey warden hq in the anderfells?

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Hawke/Stroud is a no brainer. Lol, I leave Hawke behind, even when he competes with Stroud.

[@sootythunder3111]

you know I never really understood why so many characters were so down right opposed to the wardens, I mean Cole i can understand because they did bind demons to them, and Solas considering the ending and his views on spirtes..............but cassandra and vivena? Why do they disapprove?

[@nitehawk86]

Both Vivenne and Solas disagreed. Anytime those two go the same way on something you KNOW it is messed up. :)

[@melp4111]

I listened to the dialogue between Vivienne and Blackwall recently, and she seems to believe the Wardens are a relic of a bygone era. She believes them to be utterly pointless, seeing as the last Blight was ended with just two Wardens, so all these guys running around conscripting is seen as a hilariously wasted effort to her. Plus she's none too pleased about the ones at Adamant summoning demons and making human sacrifices for their blood magic. She's not too keen on blood magic, of course. :)

[@E101ification]

They really fucked up here. They had a chance to have some great dialogue cutscenes between Loghain and Morrigan, to really follow up on the weird 'impregnate ritual' story line from Origins, but instead _this_ is all we get; a trivial, throw-away line in Loghain's final scene in the game. In Skyhold, Loghain is standing not 30 feet from his son and the mother of his child, and yet, what, he just stays away, doesn't say a word? And Morrigan doesn't even mention that the kid's father is just up a flight of stairs when you talk to her? It's like the writers just _forgot_ that Loghain is that kids father if you managed to keep Loghain alive for Inquisition.

[@Cynistrelle]

E101ification they didn’t forget anything 🙄 Morrigan herself did not want her son to know who his father was you are the one who forgot about it not THEM

[@Samuel-mp9sr]

E101ification I know this is old but... you know that there is a scene where Loghain talks to Morrigan in Skyhold, right?

[@mithrandirsilvertongue1406]

Why do Cassandra and Cole hate the Wardens, Solas okay fine, but weird...

[@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м]

Cole dislikes those who are "hurting people", and Warden-Mages were fully lucid when they sacrificed their brethren, on top of them bidning the other demons into obidience. Add that up to the lives of Inquisition soldiers lost in the conflict. Cassandra is a Seeker, who has no love for demons and blood magic either, on top of accepting Warden's help leaves them vulnerable in case Cory will outplay them with a Venatori ambush or something like that. And Solas is generally opposing the abuse of the denizens of the Fade, especially fully concious one, that's why he is pissed.

[@andrews.5212]

Puff sword goes chop chop on loghain's head.. xD.. Too bad you can only imprison that skunk of Anora. Hated the moment she sold my warden off.

[@amberjackson9268]

Why did they make Loghain hot?

[@TheKolboShow]

> sacrificing Hawke and leaving Loghain alive :(

[@turbotrup96]

How can people save Loghain? He was the fcker who wanted to kill you for majority of time in Origins!

[@アリシア-r8f]

Because he is also a damn good tactician and soldier in the middle of an attack of darkspawn. Those do not come by easily. He also had a lot of power and inffluence and that is also not so easy to come by, either. I killed him too, just pointing out it was harder to decide than you think.

[@turbotrup96]

***** Even while knowing it - I regret nothing.

[@アリシア-r8f]

This saddens me, all this vengeance. People should be more like Goku, sparing his enemies and befriending them, even after they killed thousands. Granted, there are no dragon balls in Thedas...

[@turbotrup96]

***** people who killed thousands don't desreve to live even if they may change. They could think earlier.

[@アリシア-r8f]

You are no one to judge whether another human being lives or not, I dare say you are not flawless. In the moment the life of anoher, no matter who, is in your hands, and decide to kill, you are no better than him or her. But I'm not going to morally convert people here. I can see why you would think this way and I respect that. After all I have not been in such situation and hopefuly never will, perhaps I will behave different should it happen.

[@bwibo9567]

where's varric??

[@Krebsmasquerade]

I'm assuming something happened with Varric? :(

[@kirikakirikakirika]

+Kyle Rebozzi Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Where is he?

[@steel58836]

@@kirikakirikakirika not in the party, most likely

[@Erebus04]

Loghains comment their makes no sense if you do the Grey Warden mission first

[@yang6642]

He doesn’t say it if you do this mission first

[@hosunglee9892]

So Hawke stayed behind for the sake of Loghain, A man who left him and his brother to die at Ostagar.

[@scionoftheemperor1240]

10 years ago lore wise, so much can change in that time, besides, my cannon Hawke is not the sort to hold grudges.

[@ShadowCandleElias]

Hawke didn't fight at Ostagar. Carver did. And he primarily stayed behind for the sake of the inquistor.

[@hosunglee9892]

Ghroxx Warrior/Rogue Hawke fought with Carver at Ostagar.

[@Cynistrelle]

He?

[@Chunchunmaru18]

His regards to Morrigan doesn't mean he had child with her at the end of origins or does it?

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

izaiah rios No, it doesn't matter if he had a child with her or not, he'll always send his regards if he happened to meet her in Skyhold.

[@Chunchunmaru18]

oh cool thanks for answering. love vids by the way

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

izaiah rios Thanks! ^^

[@bakuman3000]

This happens if Kieran is the son of Loghain ?

[@FluffyNinjaLlama]

No, not necessarily, it only happens if Morrigan was recruited before Adamant though.

[@erinnichols6378]

Just curious, but where's Varric? I've never seen this playthrough option.

[@frankfrankfrankfrankfrank]

The random scout shows up when you let Varric die

[@MammothMorals]

​@@frankfrankfrankfrankfrankvarric Cant die.

[@Hillthugsta]

What does Cassandra have against the Wardens?

[@Jeff17ish]

Demon summoning, blood magic, apostates... take your pick.

[@red99Baron]

Loghain was all about Making Sacrifices. Why does he not back Clarel? Big character change here.

[@Yngvelli]

Its been 10 years. Loghain regrets many of his past actions and has changed his mind about "The ends justifying the means".

[@Former_Halo_Fan]

Because he didn't think the plan would work, calling it madness. If you talk to him a bit more, he didn't immediately go into hiding either. He was quietl researching Corypheus. Some corrupted Wardens got wind of this, and attacked him before he could find out more. He killed them in self defense, but everybody thought he had murdered them for their participation in the blood ritual.

[@Meoidn]

You pick "he died a hero" every time.. it bugs me.

[@jeremiahgraham14]

This was interesting but I always kill Loghain in DA:O because he caused too many deaths with the betrayal so my warden kills him.

[@roxyhart5692]

Loghain is too agreeable in Inquisition

[@frankfrankfrankfrankfrank]

This Loghain is more similar to the one from the comics and books than the one from Origins is. He lost the plot in Origins and the warden slapped him back into shape

[@ramazantekin4144]

i love grey wardens but i can never let them stay in orlais in any of my playthroughs. they are vulnerable to corypheus' manipulations/influence and with so many venetori roaming in orlais, it is best that they leave and go to their capital. a temperory exile is needed. i mean there was not a blight or an archdemon so there was not a serious need for grey wardens. after the situation is solved, they can return to orlais.

[@Cynistrelle]

Ramazan Tekin well thats a mistake.. you should look at the epilogue where you chose to save them then you’ll understand

[@SirBennington11]

@@Cynistrelle I mean hell either way it ends with the Wardens having a civil war after the events of Inquisition and its DLC, so exiling or no exiling the Grey Wardens (and by extension the people of Thedas) are screwed.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

There was an Archdemon and a Darkspawn controlling it, lol.

[@vermilion6966]

Yeeeah no they arent. Like once you *know* whats up its far easier to fight against it.

[@xenon8117]

@@SeventhheavenDK That wasn’t an Archdemon is was a corrupted dragon.

[@oblivionsweeper]

I was watching this and I said who the dafuq is this where's Stroud but I thought about it and realize you must've transferred some data from the previous Dragon Age games, because I have no idea who Loghain is.

[@SirBennington11]

Stroud is actually quite a minor character in Dragon Age, not really that interesting when compared to Alistair or Loghain and honestly, anyone who has never played a playthrough of this game without going to Dragon Age Keep and changing some of the World State settings is missing out. For many players the real story is the one they import from Dragon Age Keep. You should give it a try, you might find it enhances your experience with the game. I also recommend trying to play through Origins and DAII if you haven't already, because Inquisition is really the game that ties the stories of those two games together.

[@oblivionsweeper]

@@SirBennington11 What was also funny when I was buying the Dragon age game few years back a guy from Best buy talk me out of buying Dragon age 1 & 2 saying it was the worst games you could play but when I look at two I'm like damn I should've bought it.

[@SirBennington11]

@@oblivionsweeper That man should be punished for his heresy! No no but in all seriousness you should give them a go sometime if you are able. Especially if you enjoyed Inquisition, there's a pretty good probability you will enjoy Origins and DAII. They have their flaws but so does every game.

[@oblivionsweeper]

@@SirBennington11 lol and you are so right, if I don't manage to get two, I'll just wait for Dragon age 4. Thanks man.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

@@oblivionsweeper . Lol, DAO is even considered the best of the three games, I vant believe that guy told you that.

[@brakie44820]

The two people I hate the most Loghain and Vivienne. This scence will never happen in my games because like the Arch Demon Loghain is ten years dead and Vivienne is no longer recruited. Still a interesting video.

[@byronquinn4378]

HA, I F###### love Loghain.

[@olstar18]

Loghain looks way to young.

[@BlueSpartan107]

Maybe Darkspawn blood makes him age in reverse?

[@Sanguiluna]

BlueSpartan107 Wouldn't darkspawn blood make you age faster? That's why most Wardens don't live past 40, because by that time the taint has ravaged their body and mind, but Loghain would probably be in his 60s by this point.

[@BlueSpartan107]

Sanguiluna They age normal, but their sanity deteriorates as they age and start to hear the Calling.

[@Sanguiluna]

BlueSpartan107 The taint also ravages and deteriorates the body as well, like Larius in DA2 or Isseya in "Last Flight".

[@seby826]

teagan looked like he aged 30 years tho

[@SpicyMartina]

Since I read the books I got a better understanding of Logan. I hated him before. After I could see why he did what he did in origins for. So I did a play through as a man married Alistair off kept Logan. I couldn't get rid of alister. He reminds me too much of my husband. 😂 logan is better looking in this than origins. I made an asshole hawk so I didn't feel bad about killing her off. Made her resemble my asshole cousin 😂 I soooooo can't wait for the next installment.!