Dragon Age The Veilguard - Harding Explains What Happened to the Inquisition

[@dostwood5103]

This game completely disregards/ignores many possible choices you can make about the companions/advisors in Inquisition. Harding mentions Josephine, Cullen, Leliana, Sera, Blackwall, Cole. Let's lay it out: 1. Nothing to be said about Josephine. She has no fate that would contradict the way Harding speaks of her to my knowledge. 2. If Cullen was told to keep taking lyrium, then he becomes a homeless beggar and lyrium addict. No matter what and regardless if romanced, inquisition disbanding or being a peacekeeping force. Hell, it's even implied in this ending that Harding puts him out of his misery. She certainly would remember this. Remember, Veilguard takes place 10 years after Inquisition. It is said in this ending that Cullen was found by Harding a YEAR after Trespasser. There's no excuse for this. 3. Leliana's case isn't as bad as some of the others, but Leliana can become Divine Victoria or just straight up disappear into nothingness as one of her endings as said in Trespasser if the Hero of Fereldan killed her during the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. She's a lyrium ghost if killed in Origins. 4. You can avoid recruiting Sera altogether, kick Sera out, or piss her off so much that she'd leave. If these happen it wouldn't make sense for Harding to know her well or at all. 5. In Veilguard, it seems to be implied that Blackwall decided to go by his true identity, Rainier. That would make sense once Corypheus is destroyed even if he does perpetuate the lie. However, if Blackwall becomes a Warden and is romanced, he dies. If he's not romanced it is said that he disappears. It's also possible for Blackwall it be executed by Orlesian law. 6. Probably the one that pisses me off the most is how Harding speaks about Cole. It seems with the way Harding speaks about Cole that he's more "spirit" than "human," which feels like the choice we're left with in Inquisition to dictate that path for him is also ignored. The biggest reason why how Harding speaks of Cole bothers me is because it's possible to have Cole abandon the Inquisition if his approval is low enough. Why is this a big deal? Well, he can make literally EVERYONE in the Inquisition forget he existed. This is even stated in the codex after he abandons you. The codex will say: The Inquisition knows of no one by this name. This means that Harding shouldn't even remember him at all in the case of Cole abandoning the Inquisitor. Honorable Mention: Solas also mentions Cole and that brings up the same problems I mentioned with how Harding mentions him. Also, Solas says that he considered the Inquisitor a friend. This also goes against the fact that you can have extremely low approval with Solas. Although he won't leave you, he won't like either. You can even punch him in the face lol. Sooo, yeah. Good job ignoring the Dragon Age Keep, BioWare. You fucked up the possible player choices from the previous games.

[@TorvaMessor2024]

I kinda wish veilguard wouldn't have had a new MC. They should have let us import world stats from DAI and keep on with our inquisitor - after the inquisition disbanded. That would have made the story a tad better imo

[@colvamoon6962]

Then we have a new problem to deal with.

[@Erebus04]

But what about those who didn't disband the Inquisition? Plus I like how Dragon Age changes the hero in each game instead, a New Threat, a New Hero HoF had the 5th Blight Hawke had terrible writing in the plot The Inquisitor had Corphesus Rook has the Eleven Gods

[@colvamoon6962]

@Erebus04 yes, which is Dreadwolf/Veilguards biggest problem before it was ever released: one way or another, either Solas or the Elven Gods were going to get sidestepped.

[@MarcusDarkstar]

one armed protag!

[@gabrieldavis4434]

@@Erebus04Hawke didn’t have terrible writing until the third act which was clearly rushed. The game is still great though.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Man... So many of the decisions you made as an Inquisitor, were just kicked down the swears dont they... (To be fair I dont know if this were the decsions of the owner of this gameplay) - So you still at the service of the Chantry and you never disbanded - Cole stayed as a spirit and never make peace with his human past. - You never help to treat Cullen's addiction and withdrawls from Lyrium - All of your accomplishments as Inquisitor and specially all your sacrifices, and loses and you just get an honorable mention... Not even a chance to team up with a character most essentially to the story of the Dreadwolf. Honestly this doesnt say much, it really feels like Veilguard tries to distant itself extremely as possible from Inquisition events and characterssl.

[@udonkumaaa]

and it looks like Leliana is still around, so people who "turned" her into lyrium ghost must by angry XD it's sad that Bioware made some choices a cannon and disregarded everything else :/

[@dixienormus2802]

This dialogue only happens if the inquisition isn't disbanded. If it isn't, it seems they just made a few hard canon choices rather than import them like in old games. Nothing too major, but still awkward for role playing. -Sera, Blackwall, and Cole were all recruited instead of either rejected or kicked out -The dialogue seems to cater more towards Spirit Cole, but doesn't say for sure. -Cullen always had a lyrium addiction. Whether he was helped with it or not is left out of the conversation. -Leliana's dialogue cleverly plays vague on whether she is Divine or not. You could headcanon it that Cassandra or Vivienne are divine but nothing says otherwise.

[@dranzerjetli5126]

​@@dixienormus2802its weird since leliana ever since origins seems like the perfect one to be divine. She was really into it.

[@UnlimitedFlyers]

If Veilguard connects and checks for data from EA's Dragon Age Keep, there's potential to investigate these choices and their outcomes. I, for one, let Iron Bull turn traitor at the DLC expansion's end. And killed him.

[@hosunglee9892]

Yeah my Inq turned down all other romance to simp for Harding's Dwarven booty (*man of focus here*), doesn't even get a passing mention.

[@vanyadolly]

Interesting considering I never recruited Sera or Iron Bull and Leliana was a lyrium ghost who disappeared at the end of the game.

[@matp7786]

Why u kill the poor Leliana in DAO ? 😢

[@gamernextdoor23]

well harding didnt know that leliana was a ghost

[@madarpauser2133]

The developers said they only gave us 3 choices because they didn't wanted to retcon what we did in Inquisition, but they DID retcon our choices. This scene alone is proof of it. 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Yeah, I didn't recruit Cole and Sera, and Bull died in my game. Also there are also those who had Cullen become a Lyrium addict. Not to mention the situation at Weisshaupt, where the Inquisitor mentioned the all the Wardens were called back and left Ferelden to its own devices, I just cannot imagine my Hero of Ferelden, Nathaniel and Oghren leaving their people like that. They really managed these parts very badly.

[@Multistrangedude1]

​​@@SeventhheavenDK If the HoF was alive they were off looking for a cure to the calling, also it was an order not a suggestion

[@b_is_alive]

1:28 yeah i wish the flirting with Inquisitor and Harding was canon even if they did not end up together.

[@lazyprinny3265]

Are you telling me the trespasser dlc that hinted at you and harding files out.

[@redram6080]

​@@lazyprinny3265 Unfortunately yes.

[@lazyprinny3265]

@@redram6080 we got the harding romance but not the one we wanted I feel even more robbed now than when I learned Sandal didn't return.

[@I2dios8]

Well the point of a Dragon Age game is that there is no official canon. The story plays out through your decisions, and there's no "correct" or "canon" choices. Or at least, that's how it used to be. With what's going in with Veilguard, it's hard to say for certain now.

[@binah7744]

I wish Cole was in the game. I really thought it would be obvious he’d be hear as a spirit advisor or something

[@HandsyPancake]

Would have loved to be able to play as Inqy again, especially with a missing limb. Like how badass would it have been to be able to have a class-specific magical prosthetic? How cool would it have been to have a magical crossbow/grappling hook arm for a rogue? Or a sick infinity gauntlet kind of thing for a warrior, letting you straight up bitch slap foes or going full berserker like God of War and let you just pound on enemies? Mage could have had a sick no-staff gameplay - would have loved to play arcane warrior again, swinging a massive 2h weapon while casting spells out of my fade gauntlet? With how the combat was, shit could have been insane with the inquisitor. It would also have been so sick to have been part of all the battles in between DAI and DAV. Inqy fighting in the streets of Minrathous, gathering info with shadow dragons. Maybe fighting in Seheron and having to survive the fog warriors, qunari, and crazy venatori. Traveling with Isabell and the LOF (would have been interesting to meet Isabella given that you could have left her romanced Hawke in the fade) would have led to some awesome ocean/sea battles. Meeting the seekers to further your abilities to resist possession (Solas was summoning loads of demons and spirits, so a fade/possession level similar to Therinfall would have been neat) and to crack down on red lyrium mind control. So many opportunities, all just wasted.

[@Neon_Neutral94]

This is the best written dialogue in the game tbh. And even then it was worsened by lack of carry-over decisions

[@thekingofmyths5148]

I’m glad they explained this

[@vanessagalang4656]

Why...why we can't see all of our choices from the first games? And why did they make the Grey Wardens so weak? We didn't even need them to kill a tainted dragon. And this Taash. This Qunari infuriates me. She's like Leandros from WH40k. They speak of rules as if they're not breaking it themselves. *sigh*

[@CJ-wh7ik]

With all due respect, leandros did well reporting Titus because in 40k they're few people who would be unchanged having experienced as much warp influence as Titus. We know he's no traitor obviously now, but back then to survive all that unscathed would have meant that he was either a saint or touched by chaos. It was a good call in that particular instance. Trash on the other hand has no redeeming qualities. I can try and excuse Leandros but nothing that I can possibly say about her would make that quanari female woman likeable

[@BigB14]

Didnt you hear? Ferelden, Orlais, and the Free Marches was destroyed by the super blight so nothing you did mattered :)

[@FrostyFoxOfTheFieryField]

​@@BigB14 Ferelden is fucked but still standing, Orlais goes toe-to-toe with the force backed by gods, and the Free Marches are doing well enough they're literally marching to help Ferelden. Try playing it yourself instead of hearing from someone else. And if you have played it and still got this idea, your media literacy is fucked up.

[@vanessagalang4656]

@@BigB14 🥲

[@theyawner2170]

@@FrostyFoxOfTheFieryField Free Marches is gone. They're not marching to help but evacuated to another country and hold the line there in Starkheaven. iirc.

[@ramon6783]

Kinda sad that Solas doesn't have anything to say about Varric. I get why he includes Cole. Woulda been nice if he was able so say something about the entire starting team...

[@BelieveIt1051]

This tells what happened during Inquisition, not what happened to the Inquisition. And it busts the worldstate of those who didn't recruit the characters Harding talks about.

[@Sithno]

i keep praying that if a NEW dragon Age comes out ..that Veilguard is the plagiarized work of that 1 Table Quest and we will see Varric reading a line from it before he burns it showing everyone Veilguard never happened

[@Tuzikat]

Ooh! or maybe they start the game with the ending cutscene of veilguard, but then the camera zooms out and it's the whole gang in the Herald's Rest just after the exalted council and Varric is telling everyone the plot of his new book. Everybody groans and he throws it in the fireplace. Then one of Leliana's scouts bursts in and reports that the blight is resurfacing in Ferelden and we must all go there and save the day!

[@jackson4245]

@@Tuzikatlmaooo I like it fr but pls really hate veilguard that much to make rook into a fever dream lmaoo

[@Dfarm2262]

I appreciate the mention but I miss my DA:Origins character. I always hopes they would have found a way to bring our characters back from that king forgotten past.

[@riches3581]

During an interview they were confused as to who Zevran is, don't hope for anything.

[@Dfarm2262]

@ yeah I’ve pretty much gave up.

[@dotEXCEI_]

''do you miss the inquisition...'' yes... this game is so bad, i wanna go back to the old games... wait i can :D

[@CurioSavior]

Forgive me Dragon Age 2...in fact, Forgive me Mass Effect Andromeda, no no, there is more FORGIVE ME STAR WARS THE OLD REPUBLIC!... i'll never complain about any of you again

[@alexandremiguel5408]

is it bad that i never complained XD? now im worried

[@NeverendingTori]

To be fair, The Old Republic was great when it first released. It just suffered from the typical problem that MMOs always run into when they run out of content and the devs feel pressured to release more because people are paying a monthly subscription. I still think it should never have been an MMO in the first place. Single player campaigns have always been what BioWare does best and the initial campaign in SWTOR after it first released still FELT like a single player campaign because of the ability to take a companion character along with you on your adventures, meaning you didn’t necessarily need to play with other people in order to get the full story. It was the later campaigns that alienated a lot of their typical fan base, who were used to single-player campaigns. Higher exp requirements meant you were forced to work with strangers online in order to progress the story and get gear that was actually appropriate for the experience level of the campaign you were trying to play. And people stopped playing because of it, meaning less people to play with, and less overall interest in the game.

[@naufeel_abf]

honestly as the prequels fan,trowback scenes like this gave me a bliss altho the game as a whole is clusterduck, unlike dragon age 1 to 2 or 2 to inquisition, the main plot of the veilguard was based on the inquisition end story, and whole story build up from the iquisition felt dumped on the trash bin, elgarnan felt like a Corypheus copy paste, solas was just an npc instead of supposedly grand villain with op powers and an army of spies and how he behave in the ending does not reflect solas i knew from inquisition,if solas were that arrogant the inquisitor wont survive when they met in the crossroads

[@mardenmarduk]

Pretty obvious the writers didn’t know what happened in inquisition, or bother to learn about it😊

[@anima132000]

It is a shame we don't get an update of this when we find out what really happened to Southern Thedas, it would have made a stronger development for her character. And it doesn't seem like she found out, doesn't seem like the Inquisitor had sent her missive on the state of Southern Thedas.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

She knows it, she is with you when Inquisitor and Morrigan tell you what's happening there.

[@xeirhyx5252]

my favorite in veilguard is that they finally add a long hair for mc customization😅

[@gumpboi226]

I was just happy to see dreadlocks 😂

[@verro9953]

Harding Explains What Happened to the Inquisition ''Bad writing''

[@herrzimm]

Player: Hey Harding, what happened to the Inquisition? Harding: Well, it was basically ignored in order for some activist to push their self-insert social message. Which pretty much required everyone to IGNORE the Inquisition and what it means for Dragon Age lore.

[@evmtuck]

Y’all are so dramatic lmfao

[@reffa2858]

I thought Leliana hated Harding.

[@usjack]

she didn't say anything about iron bull

[@MrDopestDope1]

Goddamn here i was thinking i would hear some news of Cassandra, cause she is my chick you know what i am saying.

[@dariuswolfgamer]

What happened to iron bull or the characters from dragon age 2?

[@ashkanvideo5187]

Wathe hapend to Hero of Ferelden?

[@revenantkombant]

Either died because of the calling, or found a cure and just chilling. I doubt they'd bring em up again

[@ashkanvideo5187]

@revenantkombant At least they won't touch my old hero.

[@lazyprinny3265]

Morrigan may have cured him with thier son and just keeping them away

[@shadowstarz3651]

A Warden lives about 20 years after the Joining on average, so if he or she survived the fight with the Archdemon and didn't find a cure for the Calling...yea.

[@-t96]

Doesn't matter because origins and DA2 lore is almost non-existent, even though Ferelden, Orlais, and the Free Marches are getting obliterated by the blight, no mention of king/warden Alistair doing anything, and our HoF isn't dead or alive because they are never mentioned, a tough pill to swallow but don't get your hopes up if you wanted any continuation of your past choices, even most of Inquisition choices are not mentioned lol

[@hamzabro2667]

She didnt mention, Cassandra did she? You thought Cole was Josephine was important but not the person who actually started the whole Damn Inquisition?!

[@jmrbker22]

Choices don't matter

[@chickenmcnugget1468]

Not VGS top viewed veilguard video being about inquisition

[@mightymoon02]

Seems like our visit to the Fade at Adamant Fortress was for nothing. 1. Isn't Solas talking to us in the Fade? If so, where is the dude we chose to leave behind? 2. Why is there no mention of it? I mean it seemed like a heavy choice, especially if Alastair was there with Hawke. Everything feels like we did all of this for nothing now. I haven't played with this game yet, so please someone give me some good news. Is it even mentioned that the Inquisitor is married to Cullen - if romanced? I was waiting for years for their story to be continued, he's the main reason I have literally 555 hours in Inquisition.

[@ForFuny-os7bu]

@@mightymoon02 i was thinking the same ! Specifically about Cullen. I liked him since dao and i was happy that he quit lyrium and established a recovery place for templars for safe recovery he was the BEST character development in the entire game yet they did this to him . I am not playing this game anymore i waited 10 years to get this ! Sigh ..

[@mightymoon02]

@ I knoow it's so frustrating. They basically threw the franchise out of the window. It was so special because of the choices you made before and you could import them from the previous games. Now you have like 3 questions from Inquisition at the beginning when you start Failguard, which are all from the DLC. So what was the point of the whole series if they're gonna ignore it all together? It makes me so angry, especially because they left my cinnamonroll out of this. And Andraste preserve me, there are literally no good looking male romance options in this game now. I mean for me at least.

[@ForFuny-os7bu]

@@mightymoon02 totally agree . All characters look like the one i see in disney movies plus their body structure doesn’t fit for fighters . their conversations are like nowdays teenage talks not medieval which feels contradictory to me . This game might suit teens but the majority who were born in the 90’s and early 2000’s which are the real fans of da wont be into this one since it looks nothing like the past seasons . “ excuse my english its not me mother language “ .

[@mightymoon02]

@@ForFuny-os7bu Your English is great, don't worry about it! I agree, though I haven't played with Origins and 2 yet, but after this atrocity we call new Dragon Age game, I want to see the beginning. It's a great rise and fall. We've been waiting for 10 damn years.. The previous game was a GOTY back in 2014. How did we get to this? The new game had so much potential to be a great game, many people were waiting for it. It's such a letdown. And u agree with people who said the Inquisitor should have been the main character in this game as well. "We will need someone Solas doesn't know" they said. And turns out Solas knew about Rook for quite some time 🤣🤣🤣 What the hell was even that..

[@thealphaomega4888]

Is it me or is Hardin extra thiccc 🤔

[@empirednw6624]

She gained 50 pounds

[@Zankyo137]

Reminder, She Is a dwarf, extra thick by default

[@xavierhouston4650]

Rare w

[@AresofWar0]

Naaaah, she's Thicked up

[@steffent.6477]

Let's just make this super complex webside about all our choices in DAO and DA2 for DAI and never use it again...

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

What in the fudge did they do to Harding?! She looks as someone hit her with a frying pan for days, and the swelling never disappeared!

[@dranzerjetli5126]

Did you even see her in inquisition. She was terrible looking even worse than this

[@naufeel_abf]

yeah... she looks more feminime in the inquisition, but now she's like dragon age 2 varric cosplaying a girl 😅

[@Terminal_Dumbass]

I mean I personally think she looks way hotter in veilguard but that’s just me. also the game takes place roughly ten years after inquisition right? And Harding has been continuing to work with varric and probably getting into a lot of scrapes and battles over the years and like when you get hit in the face many many times over the years that’s going to have an effect lol. All things considered I’m surprised she looks this good.

[@aleksapetrovic6519]

Why does an elf have broad shoulders?

[@CiaraC-hh7rm]

What did they do to this game😢

[@arcaneuz]

what did they do to harding

[@mattphoenix4702]

Not sure what you’re talking about. She looks more or less the same as in inquisition. 10 years is a long time and we’re just seeing the results of advancing technology. The only thing new are the freckles.

[@Zankyo137]

​@@mattphoenix4702 She had the freckles before, they werent that marked due the skin texture and art style in dai. The lack of animation for model kill this Harding model tho

[@moonlight2870]

She looks much better.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

​@@mattphoenix4702 Nah man, her entire face looks off... It feels as if someone hit her with pan over and over again, and the swelling never disappeared.

[@CloudSato]

@@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854 Well, there's a choice very early in the game and...Harding or the new person gets pretty badly injured at the start, so you could be seeing a file that had Harding going along with Rook and getting badly hurt at the start. So there's still a lot of healing going on

[@lukeorloki]

The Inquisitor sent Varic and Harding on a suicide mission without support and with no plan to stop a god destroying the world. Pretty big let down.

[@orrthehunter]

Their mission was mostly a scouting mission as stated earlier in the game to locate Solas but they only ended up taking direct action in the beginning because Solas started his ritual. If Solas had not done that then they would have just informed the Inquisitor about Solas location first and waited for help.

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

Anyone who defends this game purely for having trans in it SHAME ON YOU You ruined my favourite series

[@riches3581]

This conversation s@@@ on so many choices its almost imperssive.

[@drakeloki4214]

God what is wiht the custom character's designs? I have never seen one tat looks good from this game.

[@optimus439]

bet she explained like were three year old's

[@benpate2404]

Really enjoying game so far. Story really good and combat is really fun. Great game.

[@rickkhemai1443]

yeah somehow i dont believe you

[@benpate2404]

@rickkhemai1443 why. It's a good game. And having alot of fun playing. Don't get all the hate for the game. If I don't want to deal with that stuff don't make your charicter that way. I don't have to do anything u don't want in this game.

[@cantdestroyher7245]

The gameplay is pretty good but the writing is an absolute dumpster fire

[@soulblade3291]

@@cantdestroyher7245 That secret ending pretty much spat on the face on DA:O and DAII. Sad for Loghain, one of the most compelling villains, reduced to a mere figure with no agency.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Good for you...