Dragon Age: Veilguard looks concerning...

[@fett4478]

The qunari redesign is absolutely horrendous. No clue why TF they did that

[@iamtheexaggerator2760]

We know EXACTLY why TF they did that...we all KNOW

[@fett4478]

@iamtheexaggerator2760 you right lol

[@Fredlii]

Just to sell female gender fluid shit

[@zech2702]

They are five head now, more spells they can use

[@danboud8135]

Agree. Say what you want about DA2, the one thing it beats every single DA on is the look of the Qunari.

[@TheCloudCreation]

Using IGN to gauge the quality of a video game is about as effective as asking Stevie Wonder to pick out what you're gonna wear today...

[@mace7077]

Or asking for a paid critic review from rotten tomatoes on a disney product, when RT is owned by disney

[@Kidsnextdorks]

I get that he’s blind, but Stevie Wonder has impeccable drip. Listening to IGN is like listening to a guy telling you to wear a mass-produced skinny fit suit to look “professional” in the worst looking outfit ever invented, all without disclosing he’s getting paid by the company making the suits.

[@QSxDaRkSCoPe]

IGN got the exclusive look at the game. You literally can’t see this footage anywhere else. Your irrational hatred for IGN is clouding your brain lmao

[@Tango_Mike]

Oh man, I laughed way more than I should. Poor Stevie XD

[@madmanjoules]

I understand why you dislike ign but you realize they employ dozens of games journalists. Some are credible and actually write good reviews, some aren’t reliable and write useless articles.

[@wyteprvlge]

this sounded more like a commercial than a hands on impressions lol

[@FEDsShotMOM]

Its a female ign game "journalist"

[@QSxDaRkSCoPe]

@@FEDsShotMOMYou gotta grow up man. What a loser

[@clanka5509]

@@FEDsShotMOMyeah ign is fell off

[@leonardchurch814]

That is EVERY impressions video.

[@adeoluy2k]

my main issue everyones skin is smooth like textures are missing

[@Dinkdoo96]

Really, thats your main concern?

[@bbutten414]

I'm a die hard dragon age fan. Played all of them to death including DA2. However..... this game looks so weird. Why do they all look like cartoons? Why is everything all flashy and neon? Why do the kunari look like elves with horns? Why does the UI look so bad? Did they not actually test these designs with players before development?

[@budgie9006]

Well, this art direction looks very Hogwarts Legacy inspired. Looks to be geared towards a younger audience. Not necessarily bad. just different. Sometimes, things need to change. So we need to wait for the final release and the final reviews.

[@matthewogden2747]

I'm really not understanding all this 'Im a die hard fan, and I don't know about this new one' When Inquisition was a massive departure from what the games were before

[@larsschulze2799]

Most likely because the target audience is different

[@kenpachi2607]

The qunari look the same. It's the artstyle that makes them seem different. But you don't test with players before development, you do that during. And what happened was, people judged it before they actually played, got flew out, and actually enjoyed it. Kind of of how Cross is judging it without playing it.

[@stevenhayes7910]

It looks real weird. Lots of strange changes, imo. But I love DA. Played the games a million times, read all the books and comics. I’m gonna play it, and hopefully it will be great. The dawn will come.

[@RaindustZX]

The Qunari look HORRENDOUS. How ANYONE would greenlight that design is insane.

[@felwinterpeak1674]

They just keep making them "human-like" as they make more. Dragon age 2 had the menacing looking and serious qunari.

[@qrrrw]

@@felwinterpeak1674 the DAO qunari was just a guy with dreads and although i agree 2 looks the best idk if its a trend that they looked like humans in all but one of the games

[@IWearShoes31]

I think it's the face not being as detailed as the rest of the head, making the face look super uncanny

[@felwinterpeak1674]

@@qrrrw I mean, inquisition made them look like a green, bulky elf with horns.

[@donavinnezar]

yeah compared to those from 2 and iquisition they defeinilely regressed with thier design

[@Existing_Echo]

The the BioWare we knew from the Mass effect trilogy and DA 1&2 are long gone.

[@patrickarraes4422]

100%

[@kevonseymourks2790]

DA2 was mediocre as fuck.

[@G33KSP34K]

That was my thought. The people in these companies made the games we loved back in the day, but they aren't at those companies anymore. Bioware, activision, ea, most major companies in this industry, are not the same companies that made the game we love. Nowadays to me, I only really look at the last two games a company has made before I make a purchasing decision. Just because Bioware made Mass Effect decades ago doesn't mean anything to me. If their last few games aren't received well, then I won't purchase.

[@leroyrodgers6089]

Bioware used to be comprised of hardcore gamers and make harcore games.

[@AGxbunny]

I was so hyped for dread wolf. Replayed all the games so I could have fresh background lore for my New character. After watching the trailer and game play, I have no interest in buying this.😢

[@antigone80]

Same. I was so excited that I started replaying all the games. I'm halfway through DA2 and seeing this almost makes me not want to play . It doesn't look like Dragon Age at all.

[@jrrd4069]

That example of the character being bruised up after a decision you made has been parroted by so many different video makers on this game, it's so obvious that Bioware gives these people 'talking points' to really sell the game, you know, instead of critically evaluating it.

[@abduktedtemplar]

Not being able to take control of companions is a huge miss and loss imo.

[@TheInfamousS]

I'm still mourning the loss of Ai Tactics from Origins. Companion AI can never be trusted and has only gotten worse every sequel. Inquisition's AI had me so irritated I said fuck it and finished the game completely solo. Had a much better time after I got rid of them. 😂🤦‍♂️🤷

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

You take controle. you only can't say where they should stay, but the rest is the same.

[@BahamutBreaker]

I’m going to disagree with the lead comment in this thread. I did not dislike the combat from DA2 or Inquisition, but there were definitely many instances where needing to micromanage all of your companions during battle was quite tedious and disruptive to the overall immersion of both that particular battle and the overall gameplay experience. I have enjoyed the hybrid party-based combat in Mass Effect Legendary Edition, where your companions function adequately under AI control, but then you can also override the AI with specifically timed and directed commands, and that allows you to optimize your team’s approach. Granted, Mass Effect is a cover-shooter, and Dragon Age combat is 360-degrees wide-angle. So, it’s not apples-to-apples. Still, my point stands: hybrid AI/player controlled party combat can feel good, and in some cases has advantages over a more traditional full-player controlled micromanagement style combat.

[@TheMagnificentArtist]

I really don't want that much control. Baldur's Gate 3 was awesome, but taking control of companions is, eh?

[@jazzoj5]

​@BahamutBreaker final fantasy remake gave us the best of both worlds in terms of automating your party's actions and allowing you to take full control, so people who liked either style could play how they wanted to. I prefer that approach, rather than just taking away the option.

[@Horizon_29]

Play Mass Effect Legendary Edition…

[@CranjisMcBasketball-cmbb]

mass effect is overrated

[@felwinterpeak1674]

Who would be his smash? Tali or Liara? Probably Liara for a sort of Mara replacement.

[@leonkennedy8932]

imagine IF they do like Mass Effect Legendary Edition dragon age 1-2

[@felwinterpeak1674]

@@OurElephant1 that's why Garrus and Tali are always the two I take on the final missions.

[@AVillainChillin]

With the right amount of Eggplant, he will.

[@sheldondasilva975]

Holy shit at 9:25 is that seriously Morrigan?? These designs are not looking good imo

[@Bleakfried]

Bro like what have they done to her😭😭😭

[@patrickarraes4422]

Holy shit, I didn't even recognize it was her. Omg they DEI her so hard

[@budgie9006]

she looks great. why?

[@heek40]

@@patrickarraes4422 You morons just like to say things don't you

[@ioritenshi]

​@@budgie9006she looks nothing like the established character

[@Reaper1Reaps]

Excited to get this game 90% off after 90days

[@larsschulze2799]

Way to many fanboys on this one sadly. And also the familiarity hype. People that have never had anything to do with Dragon Age will play this dogshit and claim it's game of the year

[@random2wins570]

90% is generous, is gonna get giving out for free within 6 months tops

[@BahamutBreaker]

Good luck with that.

[@Reaper1Reaps]

@BahamutBreaker dragons dogma 2 is already 50% off on Steam by next year they'll be selling that shit for 20$

[@nothankyou7357]

For me, it's just the cartoony art style. I'm just not a fan of that particular aesthetic. No shade to those who don't mind it or who like it, just not for me.

[@ichigozangetsugrimmjozgqp9439]

I preferred inquisition art style

[@DaReapa]

Which is what the current style is based on...

[@Carlos_Tacos]

I think it's still an upgrade from the oily faces of Inquisition

[@TheMrNukeman]

Every Dragon Age has had this same style you speak of...😂

[@ChiraqVillian]

@@TheMrNukeman you need to wipe your eyes

[@schonkigplavuis8850]

There's SO much blur and bloom that it looks extremely cheap. In the ps2 era they did this too to hide their awful anti aliasing.

[@dark_matter_dan2022]

They literally didn’t but okay.

[@Guile_The_Exile]

You're also watching an IGN mini playthru of it... They will turn on everything to make it look pretty and no turn off things to make to run better. Also watching the reaction of a video thru another video. The compression hell is quite real.

[@schonkigplavuis8850]

@@Guile_The_Exile Maybe you're right. it could be.

[@texting7856]

this looks so cheap for some reason not to mention how they changed the games aesthetics a bunch of times during its development i fear its gonna suck :(

[@panzershreck8077]

What happened to the lord of the rings aesthetic from dao? Inquisition and its consequences have been a disaster to the dragon age fanbase.

[@larsschulze2799]

In today's age u shouldn't fear my friend. Jus expect it to be 100% bad

[@AkujinGG]

My main gripe is with its presentation, not really the mechanics. Everything is just way too colourful with bright neon lights everywhere and it doesn't suit the fantasy style of the game at all imo. You've got the same thing going on with Avowed too, all those purples bro lol

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

I really enjoyed Inquisition, so it being linear and not having control over companions is the only real concerning thing I see here, otherwise it looks pretty decent. Only real thing to worry about is Bioware, their recent track record isn't that good outside of the Mass Effect remake/Legendary edition. You can tell Cross doesn't have much experience with DA/Mass Effect games...not like chat has been telling him to play a certain series for awhile now, lol.

[@jaypey8253]

yes not being able to control allies is concerning, since in previous games it helped since the ai couldnt play as well as human in some parts. also we went from having 4 man parties now we only have 3 man party.

[@thetosenone299]

I agree , but I think they made the change for not controlling characters is to expose the game to new audience but according to Bioware they had gamers playing the game and they liked it that way. I am truly looking forward to the story. Waiting 10 years for this , and I will take it.

[@doomknight233]

4:08 "Hitting us from range!" Wow, so useful, I certainly couldn't tell after the effects burned my retina. I can already tell this will have that God of War: Ragnarok companion annoyance.

[@hectornieves537]

This game has to have an epilepsy or flash warning for the combat.

[@High_Rate136]

MY THEORY The characters are designed this way because the design team hates men or hates being a man because all of them have been rejected by men their whole lives, or in the case of those who hate being men, have been rejected by the women their whole lives, so they transition into the object of their desire (women). Thus, they destroy anything men may find attractive because what men find attractive is not them,. If you want proof, google who the design team is and then google who the design team was in the early 2000’s

[@jesseritchie9282]

My poor Qunari

[@Breqs98]

Biggest issue for me is the camera and hud, I can't exactly put my finger on it, maybe it's the way this reviewer plays (badly) or it's something wrong with the game itself but it really did not look good to me. Also none of the dialogue sounded even remotely interesting, I'm spoiled from BG3 and Cyberpunk/Witcher 3.

[@dawnsluna5702]

I noticed that despite having a Lock On to enemy feature (the little red marks) it doesn't keep the enemy in the center of your screen, so your character is targeted to them, but not your camera so your character seems to attack the edges of the screen a lot.

[@florveronique]

I mean I'm very sorry but inquisition came out in 2014 they had 10 years They finished eighty percent of the game only to start from scratch and I think left us as the gamers on the dry . Like the way it looks and how to characters seem to be and justice out of world design for the characters I really don't think a company that has made better games before should put something like that on the market

[@junkpile717]

These non gamer devs probably think that this is cool. Every move need to be some flashy backflip, casting spells look like baseball or something, characters ugly and lame. Qunari have skipped leg day, but not forehead day.

[@noway-i8u]

Yes I like to answer. What is concord.

[@strife3044]

Man. The art direction of this is just not it for me. Reminds me of when Blizzard went from dark Gothic horror in Diablo to whatever cartoon-y mess D3 was.

[@kurtisl051]

One thing that people should realize is that the majority of Dragon Age players started with Dragon Age Inquisition. It literally sold millions more than Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2. This franchise has always been a weird one where the tone of the game and the style has shifted. What ultimately matters to a true Dragon Age fan is whether the story holds up and whether the companions are compelling.

[@ioritenshi]

No, the tone could have changed but what made Dragon Age famous was kinda consistent until now. Current year BioWare literally took away everything that characterizes a Dragon Age. No surprise here, they themselves said they were after other public.

[@shellsmith831]

I got some news for you then.

[@zlarsen]

Idk who decided to make purple the main color focus for the ui but it looks awful for a fantasy game, looks like they ripped off the self titled guardians of the galaxy game that came out a few years back

[@themarauder6108]

"Changing its style with each installment".....Inquisition was where it all changed. Dragon Age II was terrible but the overall art style was the same. That all changed with Inquisition, they toned down the gore, changed the design of the desire demon and made all the women ugly on purpose.

[@samarakaye2779]

Worked well for them I guess. I enjoyed Inquisition to play it on 3 different platforms (ps3, ps4 and pc)

[@ThatGuyMurph_]

It just looks too cartooney. Something about it, mainly the visual design and color pallette, aren't making me hopeful. In a world full of Elden Rings and Wukongs, a colorful and bright fantasy game with incredible story can definitely stand out. But this isn't doing anything with that idea enough to stand out. This game looks like it would be the same quality if it was visually darker.

[@阳光虾]

Sometimes the pursuit of graphics reduces the budget for other things, and you have ten million, and you can build three of those very realistic scenes. But if you're willing to simplify, maybe you can build five scenes. If they have rich content, I don't mind if the graphics aren't that advanced

[@dmholman]

Played all the other games and DLCs, not sure how I feel about the new aesthetic and char designs. Everything seems a little too smooth and clean, but will wait to see it for myself. Honestly though, I'll be happy if the sweaty/greasy look of DAI NPCs is gone. One thing that is kinda weird are all the creators and outlets out here saying "THIS one isn't open world". DA has never been open world unless someone is using that term very, very loosely.

[@BahamutBreaker]

Agreed. Inquisition has a few large zones to explore, but the game’s various regions are NOT interconnected.

[@floshizu8449]

Everything just looks so outdated... Combat seems really clunky, UI is straight out from a mobile game, the general graphics I would have expected maybe late ps4 era, and the style while subjective, imo doesn't look that great especially the monsters and characters. I hope the story and characters can carry

[@MrProdigy810]

They're still using the same shit from inquisition

[@kao123456654]

"the general graphics I would have expected maybe late ps4 era" So still really fucking good lol?

[@eugeneoisten9409]

Correction.....everything just looks so live service game-ish !!! If you look at this from the fact it was meant to be a live service mmo style game, then everything you mentioned makes a hell of alot more sense.

[@floshizu8449]

@@kao123456654 I never said the pure graphical fidelity is bad, its just 5 years behind the curve, especially the environment I think looks in parts really great. No, I have a problem with the style, especially the characters and monsters. They just look really goofy. Just compare the griffon in the trailers to for example Dragons Dogma 2. One looks like an absolute terror, that could slaughter an entire squad of veteran soldiers. The other looks like a cute little pet out of a pixar movie. And well I would have preferred the former.

[@cikick]

I would not call the character creator expansive. While they've certainly added... options, they have restricted the sliders so most people's body types will be the same.

[@legacian4039]

I think a lot of people's reaction to what we've seen so far is uncertainty, for both existing fans and potential new players alike. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I don't think it will be bad, but I do think its success will hinge on how good the writing and characters are.

[@ichigozangetsugrimmjozgqp9439]

I’m more excited just to continue the story the story feels like it’s gonna be a good one like how the inquisition dlcs were like I don’t mind the art style cuz like the elf looks really good

[@byte-bg4ob]

This game is not even gonna sell 5 million copies

[@QSxDaRkSCoPe]

@@byte-bg4obThe game will easily sell 5 million copies. You have CTE brother

[@ioritenshi]

It will flop hard because current bioware cant write. Have you seen any dev team pic? Ideology first, game second

[@legacian4039]

@@ioritenshi Game developers aren't writers, and choosing to be inclusive or "woke" in the character creator isn't indicative of the narrative. If you actually kept up with Bioware's writers, you'd have read the series of books, comics, and podcasts leading up to Veilguard, all of which have gotten fairly good reviews. I have concerns about the narrative for other reasons, namely that the game was redesigned after it shifted away from being multiplayer co-op, and that Solas was immediately foiled simply by knocking over a statue. Not sure how far reaching the implications of that will be, but if the entire chain of events in Veilguard lead back to that statue, I will be upset. It has absolutely nothing to do with virtue signalling or injecting an agenda into the game. I play fantasy games to escape from bs politics, not be told how people should exist or act in a fictional fantasy world.

[@Gamers4lifeOfficial]

The camera looks so janky, why am I having to re-adjust after every attack. Looking at the wall half the time.

[@YungVen]

Cause ign plays games with one hand while they use the other hand to type a bad script

[@Guile_The_Exile]

Excepting competent gameplay from IGN? Lmfao.

[@swarthygiant1463]

Watch other gameplay this person just sucked at using two joysticks at once lol

[@Gamers4lifeOfficial]

@@Guile_The_Exile I mean, true lol

[@bowiebazinga2019]

I think the fact people are like, "make the game more realistic" is causing people to hate this. I think people completely forget what PS2 games look like and they looked nothing like this. This is a very stylized game, which I think looks good. After Dragon Age 2, I think the need to change up the art style a bit without completely abandoning certain styles

[@eragonbromson4329]

I completely agree

[@jesseritchie9282]

Meh. We shall see

[@trevoroliveira2588]

Nah these graphics are dookie

[@LobsterDeity]

The graphics are technically good, but they are soulless. Elden ring had terrible fidelity but the art direction made it beautiful. This shit looks a step above cell shaded. Infamous second son had better skin shading and light reflections than this shit. And that game came out in 2014.

[@bowiebazinga2019]

@LobsterDeity as someone who played the borderlands series, I definitely am coming from a more biased point of view. I do love the style of games like Elden Ring, but I also believe that the cell-shaded art style looks good as well. I'm willing to give this a chance, but I have talked to a few people who won't try this game simply because of the art style. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just disagree, is all

[@felwinterpeak1674]

If you are a dragon age fan, and you say the Qunari looks fine or better, then you are a simp for bioware. And always pray how good they are.

[@voltus20]

I still can't fathom how some people can look at the Arishok and say with a straight face that the new qunari look better.

[@MrProdigy810]

But we've only seen the player character and a companion. I'd that really enough of a basis to go off of?

[@felwinterpeak1674]

@MrProdigy810 it just starts off with one. I mean, people were already saying stuff about that female qunari companion you get. The only downside to DA2 is that the face of the qunari all looked the same. If you showed me the qunari now, I'd be questioning how tevinter is in such a long war.

[@MrProdigy810]

@@felwinterpeak1674 Are you saying they look bad because they look more human? I mean dragon age never really had fantastical design for is characters like the aliens in mass effect. All the other races basically look human with extra steps. What makes the qunari different from the rest?

[@MiaCulpa24]

We've seen 2 We havent seen a goddamn thing in regards to character creator, or other Qunari in the game The 2 we have seen have the same specific horn style Bull in DA:I didnt look like ANY Qunari previously, same with others in previous games

[@sendingevac]

I got to say for people that want this game to succeed so they can get mass effect 4.. why do we assume mass effect 4 is going to be good?

[@ReconWarrior26]

2:31 Is that Savathun's ship? 😆

[@beefybutter]

Yeah that's literally her ship mixed with some warhammer 40k vibes.

[@SolKnightt]

Exactly what I thought when I saw the original reveal lol.

[@SirTalksAlot]

Dragon Age 2 - Total Chad Qunari Dragon Age Inquisition - Handsome Squidward Qunari Dragon Age Veilguard - Family friendly Qunari with a big ass forehead

[@Maj0rStone]

IGN going to give the disappointing pile 9.5

[@ArisenKaneki]

It’s been 10 years for us. I have thousands of hours on every dragon age. Nothing they can do will make me hate it……besides that quanari design wtf is that

[@FEDsShotMOM]

Close to mobile game tier

[@sanantonio210x]

Exactly

[@MotherMantiss]

Dragon Age is a dark fantasy with deep, immersive lore and political, racial and cultural systems that are sometimes controversial. I suspect Veilguard will have buried anything that might offend anyone, and that's bound to affect the story-telling ability. Not to mention that the "dark fantasy" has been sanded down to a plain old "fantasy." I mean just take the griffon: they used to be completely fearsome and badass, and now it's CUTE.

[@AnonymityIx]

I think with a texture/filter mod it would be fine. Something looks a little too PG about the art style. Dragon Age always felt better with a darker tone like in 2. Give us more grit to go with the fantasy and we’d be good

[@TrippyTigre]

They're definitely going more cartoony compared to previous grittier titles, but the gameplay seems pretty decent and the set pieces they've shown off seems pretty awesome. I'm jaded from every large game company now so I'll wait for release, but I am fairly excited

[@marcusclark1339]

its terrible and sadly the forums have become echo chamber cause if u critique a DEI game you'll get accused of every -ist/aphobic line possible it is indeed a mobile game in design, sanitized look, no character appeal, and infanticized combat

[@biggydx]

I'm mixed on the visual design. I think the map designs look pretty good, and I'm not as off-put by the general character texturing as others. I do, however, take issue with the general look of the Qunari and the visual changes they've made to the Darkspawn. Those things will matter to people, but I think what's going to be critical for this game is: How fun is it, how engaging is the story, and how impactful are our choices? I'm not going into this expecting BG3 levels of choices and decisions. I think it's partly easier for Larian to do that since the main protagonist isn't voiced, so you don't end up blowing up your budget and dev time on VA alone. That said, I'm staying in the skeptical camp on this one, as prior history with Andromeda and Anthem has made me quite wary. One thing I will say, even if some think it's unfair, is that I do think there's going to be groups of people online who will take any small slight in this game and turn into the biggest issue ever. In some respects, it is unfair. Criticism and skepticism is warranted, but I'm also not a fan of useless bitching either.

[@Jackson-xr5dg]

It looks so soft. Like textures aren't loaded

[@ALi-hf3ru]

The art style is just weird, I liked both DA1 and Inquisition especially the latter, also the double horned race (forgot the name) is also looking weird, also I really don't like not being able to control the other companions

[@jesseritchie9282]

The Quanari

[@Jpow5734]

IMO it’s just the character models, physically they look decent but texture wise they look too smooth. The hair though my god it’s amazing, I haven’t seen any game that has come close to this level of hair physics. But other than the models if you look at the environments especially the ones from the environmental walk through videos released a few days ago where they use the camera to show off the locations in detail it is big step up from previous games and is actually quite impressive. I feel like if the game wasn’t so colourful and the faces weren’t so smooth and some of the enemy models were better then I think a lot less people would have a problem with the game’s visuals.

[@carlosmelendez8317]

When IGN likes or praises a game I tend to lean on the side of caution.

[@Viewstar]

Cross needs to play the Mass Effect trilogy to fully understand what Bioware are capable of.

[@pigsinspace9927]

The Dragon Age UI on console always looked a bit weird, it usually looks a lot better on the PC version

[@Caenin-12]

As a fan of of DA, I'm excited to see how this will come back and bite em! The fandom is wild

[@antigone80]

Dragon Age has always been a dark fantasy game and I feel like the new art style doesn't fit the world. Inquisition had the best graphics by far (imo), and this seems like a huge downgrade. The characters are very cartoonish (and I don't mind that, I played vanilla WoW for years), but this just doesn't fit. The spells are too bright and flashy. Mage staff animations look weird, and the spells don't look exciting either. The lack of playable companions makes me sad, and the qunari redesign is soo bad. I'll still buy the game because I love Dragon Age. As long as they stay true to the lore and give us a good story, I'm hoping it will be enjoyable.

[@sanantonio210x]

$100 for a mobile game.

[@Guava11534]

I just don’t see it man. Combat looks fine just different from before but still looks good. Doesn’t really matter though the combat can simply be serviceable and id be fine with it because the story is really all I care about and obviously we can’t tell if that will be good or not based on these small trailers.

[@Guava11534]

Also let’s not compare DA with BG3. People love to do that but man these are two different types of RPGs and this is coming from someone who loves both games. The short and simple explanation is BG3 is trying to tell your character’s story and will change to reflect your choices similar to a real D&D game. DA is trying to tell a story while giving you some player control. DA wants you feel like part of the world while BG3 wants you to basically shape the world.

[@jimbob1862]

​​@@Guava11534​I mean DA is specifically about shaping the world through your actions too? The landsmeet in DA Origins in entirely about player choice deciding the political future of Ferelden, DA2 is more character focused but Inquisition also focuses on establishing consequences in the world. The entire reason DA Keep was made was to have players choices matter and be reflected in Inquisition based on choices throughout the previous two games. And the things the devs forced choice away from like Leliana stick out like a sore thumb due to it. To say BG3 and DA are very different in how they present choice and consequences is really not true, especially since BG3 is a sequel to BG1 and 2, Bioware games that DA specifically built off like BG3 did. My big issue as a DA fan from Origins is I've waited for this game for 10 years and am being shown something that is decidedly not Dragon Age in its core combat gameplay. Why am I controlling a lone character in the series focused on party based character interactions and combat? Where's the strategy? Even DA2 for it's action focus had some strategy to it. I think a series that is at its 4th game, after already course correcting away from action in Inquisition, going back to focus even harder on action to appeal to more players just doesn't make sense. I'm not sure how familiar you are with DA (that's not meant as an insult or jab, I just don't know your familiarity) but as someone who loves DA and has done so from the first game it's exhausting seeing it repeat the same mistakes it's already learned from.

[@TylorHuebner]

I really liked a lot of inquisition actually, despite a lot of flaws but idk something doesn't look right for this game.... I can't quite put my finger on it. And I'm not talking visually, I don't really mind the art style switch all that much. Maybe it's just wanting more or expecting more of a jump from the last game but something just isn't clicking the way I want it to. Hopefully the game is good and I'm wrong, would love another good bioware game to dive into.

[@Guava11534]

@@TylorHuebner that’s fair all I’m asking is to just give it a chance. Maybe not buy the game but keep an open mind. Aztecross was definitely right about BioWare needing a big win after the failure of Anthem. I’m kinda afraid BioWare will get shut down if this game flops and then both dragon age and mass effect will be dead.

[@Guava11534]

@@jimbob1862 you’re right you do make a lot of choices in DA and Inquisition regarding politics and who lives and who dies. So yes there is a lot of choice between both games. The main point I’m making is that BioWare isn’t willing to sacrifice a story if let’s say you want to just be evil guy rather than the hero. In DA sure you can be a dick but you will save the world from the blight in origins or in Inquisition stop Corypheous. In BG3 you literally take control of the netherbrain and dominate the world and do a whole bunch of fucked up things if you feel like your character would do that. BG3 wants to give you complete control if they can while BioWare wants to give you as much control as they can without fucking up the overall story. Also personally, I am like Aztecross I’m not a big fan of turn based games. I love BG3 and I pushed past the gameplay because I love all the choice I’m given but I do prefer a more action style of combat. Personally, my favorite combat was inquisition and I wished they kept it that way in Veilguard. I think inquisition combat while rough at times still gave me a good feeling of action and strategy if you’re playing on nightmare. I think if they just stuck with it and refined it that style could have satisfied all players but unfortunately they went another direction. But like I said the combat is really the least of my concerns because as long as I enjoy it I will be happy, what matters to me is the story.

[@Hrs3play]

I can understand sticking with a particular art style, but DA to DA2 felt like more of a jump in graphics and gameplay than Inquisition to this...

[@nicovandermerwe2747]

I'm glad I have a backlog of 700 games from 2010s that look better than this

[@Mikebritt43]

I would love to see you play KOTOR and the Mass Effect Trilogy!

[@zachreed1495]

All I've wanted with Dragon Age is an actual sequel to Dragon Age: Origins. I'm still waiting...

[@cylynnpa0192]

All three games had their charms. Origins was a great game, but the system was hardly groundbreaking or such a fantastic experience that I'd want to play the same system over and over and over again

[@cardoman3986]

"Yes, you can pet the cats and dogs!". What a fun mechanic thats been around since Kings Quest 3, November 1986! Coooool!!

[@audioish]

I personally think this looks cool but I am also someone who couldn’t get into inquisition. It felt too big and complex and time sink-y. I am happy for a game in this world that a bit more focused for me personally.

[@Ryuko-Matoi1023]

im very interested in this because i played all three dragon age games mainly 2 and inquisition the most for hours, and bioware games are pretty amazing to me despite what people say, they give you something to care about and the gameplay can be good or bad, but not bad enough you dont want to continue, the mass effect series as well as andromeda, swtor, etc have all been pretty good to me and i enjoyed all of dragon age despite some issues

[@gregorymifsud5389]

someone took a sandpaper and blasted everything dragon age from it.

[@corrosion83]

no dragon age game so far has been truly open world. They've all been Zone based, though 2 was notoriously limited.

[@Kreau]

I fell in LOVE with DA:O , DA:A, and DA:inq but I don't see or feel the magic that those games held, (I know inquisition wasn't a masterpiece but it sitll gave me the stakes and power fantasy). I wish them success but I'll keep my measly 70 bucks.

[@zc4905]

Wtf happened to Morrigan and the Qunari?! Oooooooof… 😬

[@mr.tmoneybagz5988]

Cross going through his "Not Bait" Era i see lol.

[@Mythios9853]

Cross is a MASTER BAITER

[@Radiant_Silverback]

I'm not convinced there's anything left of old Bioware. It seems like they don't have any clear vision for their IPs anymore.

[@qrrrw]

"clear vision of their IPs" each of the DA games are quite different from each other and this looks no different from the jumps they did in previous games

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

What is old Bioware for you?

[@riley5074]

@@qrrrw THIS... The discourse around this game has been so odd.. So many obvious non dragon age fans are being so loud.. Calling it woke or nothing like the old games, as if dragon age hasnt always been "woke" and ever had a consistent art direction lol

[@Radiant_Silverback]

@@sayurioffenborn4960 Baldurs Gate, Jade Empire, Kotor and Mass Effect. Emphasis on world building, story and characters.

[@Radiant_Silverback]

@@riley5074 For me this has nothing to do with Wokeness or Identity politics. Its about the story mainly. There are so many retcons in Dragon Age lore that it's clear, whatever the plans were, they threw them out years ago and I doubt their current writers' ability to make me care anymore. And you're absolutely right, Dragon Age was Woke long before Woke was a concept. People complaining about it now were never fans in the first place.

[@gormleypeach5809]

Im not a HUGE dragon age fan, i like each one to various degrees. I'm really just holding off until i can see some gameplay of classes i'd actually use. Keep seeing rogue/mage and nothing else!

[@comicstripgamer1591]

Nobody who was invited to play can be trusted for impartiality. The support of gender psychosis alone is vote with wallet.

[@SqBGhost]

Idk, the in-combat radial menu just feels jarring to me. I hated it in Doom Eternal, which is why I then opted to play it on MKB (even though I can't aim right on mouse) and I hate it here. You have your real-time action combat and then you get yoinked out of that to choose which skill to use. I mean, I get that it's more controller friendly that way, but FFXIV was able to do skillbars on controllers just fine without it just pausing the entire game. I'm not going to say anything about the camera control in combat, because that can be a user error.

[@larkongocart5806]

One plus is they usually do is have an option to get rid of the numbers and enemy health bars. Idk how difficult it can be because I have always played the games for the story, and never played around on their harder difficulties. But the stories are pretty solid and can be fun.

[@flyingparkinglot1530]

Idk why people assume massive copro companies can return to the Xbox 360 glory days of banners. Ubisoft, WB or EA lost their souls for gaming many years ago 🤣🤣🤣 They put product over the people 9 times out of 10. I bet EA doesn’t even remember the old Dragon Age games and it’s sad 😔

[@IWearShoes31]

All looks cool, seems like fun gameplay, but a lot of the fashion and armor in the game looks kinda gross to me, very much could just be me idk I've been waiting for a Dragon Age game to pull me in again, I played so much of Dragon Age 1 and 2 and tried Inquisition couldn't get into it

[@josephkimbrell4285]

The ui and combat look just like assassin's creed valhalla even the perk tree

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

Reminder that this game features “top surgery scars” in the character creation. A fantasy game set in a fantasy world with magic out the ass, and there’s apparently plastic surgeons doing sex changes lmaooo 😂😂😂 we know exactly who this game was made for.

[@wsrtwetr]

It's made by corinne bush for corinne bush.

[@WolfclawTheGreatwolf]

How does this even remotely relate to the overall quality of the game, touch grass and quit engaging in a culture war lol

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

@@WolfclawTheGreatwolf because it’s fking stupid and makes zero sense in the context of the game. It’s completely immersion breaking. Why would a fantasy character who lives in a world with magic need top surgery? Who in a medieval fantasy world has the medical capabilities and surgical tools required for this procedure? There’s a certain thing called suspension disbelief; you can’t just say “it’s fiction it doesn’t matter” when it makes no sense in the setting in the first place. If it’s “just a game bro” and “doesn’t matter” then why don’t we have the player character drive around a Volvo C30 instead of a horse? Or wield an M16 instead of a sword? After all, it’s fiction so it doesn’t matter if it fits the setting right?

[@WolfclawTheGreatwolf]

@@TheDustyChinchilla I agree I want to drive a Volvo and have an M-16, make it happen

[@jumpingMS]

Anthem was Aztecross first encounter with Bioware? Wouldn't mind seeing him go through Mass Effect series personally

[@nathanialarmstrong9110]

This might be a bit picky or annoying but I always hate it in games when your weapon doesn’t actually touch the enemy but still counts as a hit … in this it looks like just effect touching the enemy and not your weapon which I hate… essentially I love realistic hit boxes

[@ForgorenWolf]

It's true turn base fighting can be intense, but frankly Larian Studios did it better than any studio has before. So I don't think it's fair to compare it to BG3

[@joncorbett4021]

Loved Origins and all the dlc. 2 was not good. I enjoyed inquisitions but I really don't class it as an open world game. Im really not sure veil guard , which makes me a bit sad

[@RaskarKapaq]

There is nothing to be concerned with if you don't care about the game in the first place. Personally I remember not liking the inquisition gameplay at all, did I still have a good time ? Absolutely, I loved the story and the characters and wanted to see the end. If you're not already a dragon age fan, I wouldn't buy the game, I would wait for the reviews and the goty edition

[@ollie8788]

As a fan of the Dragon Age with hundreds of hours played in the previous games , this looks like a very easy pass. Might try it in a few years when it's in deep, deep sale.

[@jaypey8253]

easily the best looking da game by far. outside design preferences and gameplay is way faster and better animations that previous games. but its your choice, not sure why you dont like it, seems odd especially if your a fan. to new players it may seem mid since they arent into the lore

[@cylynnpa0192]

​@@jaypey8253Yeah, lot of bizarre "I'm a fan" comments talking about passing on this game. Dragon Age for genuine fans has always been about the lore. Gameplay has changed from each installment

[@BahamutBreaker]

I would easily wager a few hundred dollars that you won’t actually wait a few years. You’ll buy it and play it before 2025 ends. Don’t deny it.

[@mythoceanas8874]

I just love the, “Origins fans go fuck youself” comment at the beginning. Not exactly what she said but I’m interpreting journo to plain English.

[@barry9246]

Played all of these but this one has me a little worried it looks way to cartoon for my liking personality with consoles in this day and age so I dunno I'll need to wait for real gameplay reviews on release as games these days don't seem to come out as polished as we would like

[@zelha5528]

I am looking foward to it from what ive seen. The character models look abit weird to me but the art style will grow on me, hated civ 6 art at first but now i love it. Combat is DA combat idc about it it always has sucked. Im not a nightmare guy so ill do easy for story. Story and companions look good.

[@TelloMarcus]

I just want to run around looking like the Arishok. Instead, we get humans cosplaying as Qunari. And reduction of party members. And a reduction in powers. And they took away party control. And they took away the tactical top down screen. They just took away everything that made Dragon Age, well, Dragon Age. It's like they copied Mass Effect's gameplay, except Mass Effect is a cover based, shooter. Warriors do not get to hide behind cover and throw their sword at the enemies. I'll wait on content creators to put out gameplay videos and reviews, because I am not trusting IGN. You know they will rate this game high, even if its terrible.

[@KalarMeadia]

I'm totally going to mod the horns to look more like the older games. Sorry but I don't like the art direction of them. If I can address that, I MIGHT be able to stomach the goofy darkspawn designs. But really, the art direction holds this game back a lot.

[@lobokurg2786]

Why do the characters look like crap and why does the world look like a league of legends map?

[@Stephetheon]

Having grown up watching my mom play Dragon Age, Veilguard looks like it's lost all identity. I suspect the High Dragon fights won't even come close to Inquisition's.

[@BobBill-z8u]

I hope to God it doesn't have the companions making jokes constantly like Andromeda did it was the reason I couldn't finish it like if you can't take your game seriously why should I?

[@BobBill-z8u]

One more thing she said it's obvious that there are tons of choices that are going to have lasting effects I wonder how she knows that without playing deep into the story sounds to me like she's just copying what the devs told her but I hope iam wrong

[@manueljuarez5045]

Wow they brought back the Massaffect power wheel?!?!

[@wsrtwetr]

They don't innovate at bioware.

[@jesseritchie9282]

I feel you on this one Cross.

[@The.Unmerciful.1]

DA : Origins top tier of DA games. This one looks like inquisition light.

[@AnthonyAllenJr]

I think Bioware is acutely aware of the position they're in. I'd be more surprised if this Dragon Age game is trash rather than it being good. I think people forget (and Bioware forgot for a while) that they are best at delivering a story experience. I'll take a great story and passable gameplay over graphic fidelity.

[@omensoffate]

What story have they made that was good in the past 10 years ?

[@AnthonyAllenJr]

@@omensoffate (And Bioware forgot for a while) ... 🤦‍♂️

[@davefinfrock3324]

The people that made those games are long gone. Very, very few remain. The last ten years were no accident. Red flags are plastered all over this game. It's in wait-for-reviews territory and very possibly wait-for-deep-deep-sale on top of it. That's assuming it isn't completely shit, which I would not care to bet against. The hair physics are outstanding, though. So there's that.

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

@@davefinfrock3324 If the game is not in a good position they wouldn't let people come and play the game. We will see on the 19th what they think. The people that write for DA:TV are all people that are their at least since DAI. So i don't fear for the story. MEA and atheme were different writer.

[@sayurioffenborn4960]

@@omensoffate none, because they haven't write for MEA or Antheme. Their last game was DAI.

[@randdeardorff5091]

Ngl, some of the third-person gameplay in the traversal sections looks similar to some of the older Assassin's Creed games.

[@sammyflinders]

Almost everyone who has actually played it though does say that it's world and visuals are very impressive, i don't think they are being shills tbh.....Bioware know how to make a good looking game.

[@austintacious7976]

Ww have A.I. but these games look terribly dated. I believe they stopped working on these titles that have been shelved for a few years

[@egbert5871]

Skill Up having a good impression for the game means 1000% more then IGN lol i mean they are fighting for the fact Concord is good even as its dead

[@federicofernandez3004]

Dam views taking a big hit

[@JohnNichols566]

Never got into dragon age but mass effect is amazing