Dragon Ball GT vs Dragon Ball Super | The Anatomy of Anime (Review)

Over the last number of months I've dedicated most of my time to reviewing Dragon Ball GT and Dragon Ball Super. And today I will be delivering my final verdict on the two series. So sit back, relax and enjoy my thoughts on these two series and my final reveal of which series I believe is better.
Ultra Instinct vs Super Saiyan 4, Kid Goku vs Super Goku, GT vs Super!!! LET'S DO IT!!!
MUSIC CREDITS (As I have them listed)
GT:
01- Prologue & Subtitle (OST)
02- Battle of Brothers (OST)
03- Battle! (OST)
04- Saigo no Sosui - Burakku no Hanran (Path to Power OST)
05- Oozaru Baby Vegeta (OST)
06- Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku Cover (v0ra)
07- Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku Lo-Fi (Rifti Beats)
08 - Until We Meet Again (GT OST)
SUPER:
01- Dragon Ball Super OP1 Lo-fi (Rifti Beats)
02- Clash of Gods 2 (Pokemixr92)
03- Orchestra of Justice (Pokemixr92)
04- Black's Frustration (Pokemixr92)
05- SSJ Blue Theme - NO Chorus (Pokemixr92)
06 - Ultimate Battle (LittleV)
07- Jiren's Theme (Pokemixr92)
08 - Universe Erased (Pokemixr92)
AMV song: Dies Israe (Destiny Child World OST)
Super Stupid Goku Theme: Dragon Ball Super OP2 Kazoo cover (PhoenixVG)
17 Pushing his hair song: Ding Ding Dong Remix (Crash Project)
THE CHAD Giru/Goten song: GTA San Andres Theme Song
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[@chabri2000]

You missed a very important comparison: Vegeta with moustache in GT vs Vegeta with beard in Super

[@hypercosmicthehedgehog1525]

I am sorry but moustache vegeta is the best

[@jaydenc367]

beard wins easily

[@toddstone230]

Vegeta's facial hair montage in TFS was the best

[@BL4NK.F4C3]

Moo-stash

[@RkGkStrive]

MOUSTACHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@xenoxxillia1411]

When you realize Super 17’s hair got more care and attention than Pan’s character development.

[@Water_Lily44]

Oof! Shots fired!

[@comiqueromosses9132]

not even a senzu bean is gonna heal that burn

[@theteamrpmgfs3901]

@@comiqueromosses9132 not that gt had senzu beans

[@mikelxanadu]

LOL! Brilliant.

[@DEVmags_]

Dammmn

[@LilBoyHexley]

I will never not think SSJ4 should have been canon. Besides the cool design, it was a real creative addition onto the concept of a Super Saiyan. Reincorporating the tail and Ozaru (*the actual main unique trait of Saiyans pre-SSJ*) into the Super Saiyan mythos is just such a cool direction, and really seems to tie their lore together. The Super Saiyan God stuff just feels tacked on to give them new hair color transformations. Here's this random ritual that unlocks GOD POWER! I don't even hate them, it just feels so creatively inferior to SSJ4.

[@digizilla164]

Plus the SSJ4 just fits more thematically as well. To me its the true Super Saiyan form.

[@LilBoyHexley]

@@digizilla164 Yeah, that's what I'm getting at too. The ape was such a key aspect of the Saiyan lore. Requiring mastery of the Ozaru form along with Super Saiyan works so well. Having the resulting form be a marriage between the man and the beast into one body was awesome.

[@MrRWord]

Actually yes the ritual thing was dumb but the new hair color transformation makes sense.Ngl,I'm tired of people who loves ssj4 but call ssg and ssb just a color change. Like super saiyan god + super saiyan blue make total sense. Like super saiyan god is just base form combined with god ki which is just KI.What do you expect that combo to do?Make a red haired saiyan come out?It makes sense that goku looks just like he would look in base but the god ki makes him thinner and his hair red. Then super saiyan blue also makes sense since its just super saiyan being added to god ki.I'd be confused if i saw something like a ssj4 come out of this combo.Like its just SUPER SAIYAN being added to GOD KI.It makes sense that its not that different from their normal ki counterparts. (Plus I'm not saying that the design of ssj4 is bad.Its good af actually)

[@LilBoyHexley]

@@MrRWord Wasn't saying the changes are nonsensical given the concept they came up with. Just that they aren't interesting or creative additions to the Saiyan lore. God Ki is an interesting concept on its own, but they don't do anything intriguing with it via the transformations. You're right, it's just base Goku and SSJ Goku + God Ki. Absent the story doing anything interesting with what accessing God Ki actually means this is pretty lame. Plotwise it's just Ritual -> New, more powerful transformations. Maybe if they actually played more with the concept of what a Saiyan *God* (how the Ozaru wouldn't at least be related seems silly to me) actually is before granting the SSG transform, and then actually went into what it took to attain Blue. But the way it's presented in the story really is "they did some stuff, and now Goku and Vegeta have stronger forms (with new hair colors)". It just seems funny. Saiyans are a warrior race who conquered world's as giant destructive apes. A physical meld between Ozaru and Saiyan seems more like what a Saiyan God would be like, it epitomizes self-control. I don't even really care that they didn't use the same concept or design (I was actually excited to see what Toriyama would come up with instead), it's just that I don't think what we got instead was nearly as neat as it could have been.

[@MrRWord]

@@LilBoyHexley Ohhh now I get what you meant properly.I like super saiyan god a lot but I have to agree that super saiyan blue could've been done better.Finally I found a gt fan who isn't toxic to me lol.

[@Mike_Ka-Chowski]

I find your favourite villains of each series kinda funny. It almost felt like it boiled down to, which one is better? The Vegeta body snatcher or the Goku body snatcher?

[@R.M.CProductions]

Makes sense that Goku won against Vegeta

[@daka_uri]

@@R.M.CProductions i mean, goku tied on saiyan saga, and lost on buu saga. So they dont fight that often, and vegeta usually wins

[@R.M.CProductions]

@@daka_uri Vegeta caught him off guard in the buu saga, it was a surprise attack, he wasn't even facing him how is that fair

[@daka_uri]

@@R.M.CProductions its not fair, but vegeta won

[@R.M.CProductions]

@@daka_uri Yes, but he won after cheating, he cheated

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

Best line in both series? "DON'T SHOOT HE'S NOT *BLACK"* Edit: This did not age well...

[@retard3448]

*HOLD YOUR FIRE, THIS MAN ISN'T BLACK*

[@BullRaisedJoey]

The Blue Phoenix: Captain Gamer m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ7bc4uJramnmtE

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

@@BullRaisedJoey yeah no fuck you

[@uni9700]

The Blue Phoenix: Captain Gamer I agree with you in both of your comments

[@claytonjohnson5092]

when was that said in GT?

[@heroomori3819]

Goku in GT: Gets turned into a child by black balls Goku in Super: Gets turned into a child by the writers (Disclaimer: This is a joke don't take it too seriously)

[@Masterge77]

Credit to GT for keeping Goku's personality intact and not basically canonizing the Abridged series version of Goku.

[@nikeonnk]

I mean at this point its facts. I love both.

[@hiwiechakib]

You're right don't say it's a joke

[@damienharbin242]

It's true though

[@superexclusive452]

Except when Goku is turned into a child, he acts like a child

[@chicle-_3536]

Personally, Gt's ending feels like a "Goodbye" but Super's ending feels like a "see you later" kind of ending. By this I mean that one ending is more definitive that the other

[@bladey_0_10]

GT ending should be the canon ending to the Dragonball franchise.

[@tylercoon1791]

With GT’s ending, it felt like a ‘this is it. This is the end. The best you’re getting after this is video games’ With Super’s, it was more ‘yeah, we’re gonna keep milking this as hard as possible for as long as possible’

[@pastjdzz]

@@tylercoon1791 super still a better show, i woukd rather see a good show end like gt than a shit one cuz it takes out all the emotion in it, u look back at the series and think, there wasnt anything that good to remember so you have to go to dbz and og db to be like yup this is a good ending.

[@tylercoon1791]

@@pastjdzz hard disagree. With GT, you get an arc that tries to replicate the style of the Pilaf arc of Dragonball, but ends up being mediocre, an arc that both plays around with the idea of body snatchers and expands on the lore of the saiyans, along with giving us one of the coolest super saiyan forms in SSJ4, an ok-at-best arc that acts as more of a transitionary from arc 2 to arc 4, and ends off with SSJ4 Vegeta, SSJ4 Gogeta, the shadow dragons which gives consequence to all wishes made prior, and ends off with a great end. Super, on the other hand, has a mediocre remake of an ok movie, a mediocre remake of a shitty movie, a boring tournament arc, some convoluted time travel shit that goes on way too long, and ends off with the ToP, which takes the worst aspects of the previous two arcs by being a boring tournament arc that goes on way too long

[@pastjdzz]

@@tylercoon1791 nah man you're making gt seem like it was an ok show when it wasnt, the first arc was crap, like u said it urslef they tryna be ogdb but shittier, whole arc was boring and really did nothing excpet stuff that felt like bad filler eps, and it is nowhere near as bad as supers first arc, however its second arc was good, in gt standards, it went and explained why this parasite wanted revenge on the saiyans and id say thats a better arc than the ressu-f saga. But even how "not good" the trunks saga was it wasnt as bad as "super fking 17" an Abomination of an arc that does nothing except introdouce the next arc towards the end. And dont even get me started on why the ToP was boring, at that point you're just being petty, ppl enjoyed it and would prolly say that its the best arc of the whole anime and your "shadow dragons" is way worse than the ToP arc. The only thing that is acctualy better in gt was its ending

[@vanillabean2348]

I think a missed opportunity in GT during the ending is Goku not visiting/spending time with ChiChi. She would obviously not want to let him go and cook him loads, and eventually Goku could ask for his twelfth portion, only for Chichi to find the table empty by the time she's back. It would show that Goku cares for his wife a bit and say something about him since he chose to have her cooking as his last meal. Just a thought

[@fredman411]

I would have liked that to happen

[@coreythepeanut]

Wait yeah what the hell he just left her behind

[@ibrothebro6864]

LMAO I never even noticed this.

[@borby4584]

That would be cute as fuck

[@theblueprint2001]

Wtf was the endiny to super 😂 it was goku and vegeta fighting thats it

[@lindahoy782]

Baby: wants revenge on Saiyans, steals a saiyans body Black: Hates mortals and especially saiyans, steals a saiyans body

[@geovani60624]

at least baby had a story behind it, not just some basic ass plot that every alien or AI movie have already beaten to death "huh humans bad, humans kill planet i never heard of before"

[@geovani60624]

@DP91 I'm not talking about it.

[@geovani60624]

@DP91 I'm talking about about a story, not a plot element

[@EJtube]

@DP91 in 1996 that plot element was unique. In 2015 there's no excuse to make such a basic storyline.

[@Junebug89]

@@geovani60624 It's not even about humans, it's about mortals. It's a divine being disgusted by what he views as the failures of mortals, that's not necessarily award winning but I don't think you can really say that revenge stories are less beaten to death.

[@samedwards3186]

When he brought up Super’s humor all I could think of was “aaaahhhh Iforgotmytractorbye aaaaaaaahhhhh”

[@hgetgbg2e1f]

Hold your fire

[@marutogo3245]

Spy Fox This man isn’t black

[@xnortheast1106]

Aghhh your mom ahhhhh

[@prestongarvey2599]

super's humor >>>>>>>> GT's humor

[@thewizardbusiness6788]

Preston Garvey facts

[@zaddybanban3128]

Honestly.. I just want ssj4 or a form of it to be canon in the super. Thank you.

[@preds43]

We got a form of it in DBS, with S Broly. I doubt DBS will ever make 4 canon, as it's a GT only thing, but it'll definitely use the principles of it. And S Broly is basically that character. But, who knows, maybe they will give us actual SS4 in DBS. :/ Though, if that does occur, I do NOT want Goku nor Vegeta to have it, as they have their own paths to power going on rn (Goku with his Angel power, and Vegeta with his God power). If anything, I'd want Broly to evolve his Ikari and SS power so much, that it would basically become something like SS4. :D That way, we have a GT thing in Super, and it works.

[@mysterymaster180]

@@preds43 yeah I'd like Broly to get SSJ4. And Gohan to continue down his own Mystic path like in the manga. Would also like Future Trunks to get his own thing in non god SSJ but he did show flashes of Blue, so he'll probably cap out at SSJ Blue.

[@jantheking7028]

No, please never let that be canon. If that happens, then people will just be mad and complain about DBS rehashing stuff again, and they would actually be justified to complain in that situation. I'm a fan of bringing back the CONCEPT of SSJ4, but not the form itself, maybe we can get an expansion of the Ikari form that Broly had.

[@zaddybanban3128]

@@preds43 yeah that’s basically exactly all that I’m asking for. Sounds very fitting and yes I wouldn’t enjoy it as much if Goku n Vegeta got this.. sounds perfect the way you described it for Broly👍 thank you.

[@zaddybanban3128]

@@jantheking7028 yeah a concept of it.. atleast. It’s fitting for Broly. he’s a wild beast.

[@Por-poI]

I really hope they can make a canon version of GT like how they did Broly

[@jage6344]

I’m not sure how that would be possible with super saiyan god super saiyan existing over a decade before get in the timeline. I would love for it to happen though.

[@xnortheast1106]

@@jage6344 what

[@eternal2469]

@@jage6344 dbgt can always make a comeback maybe but imagine zeno once sitting and basically reversing the time back and not waking up beerus cuz he wanna see how much strong goku will get without God ki ik it sound stupid but it can happen!!

[@MysticalStd]

Idk how super 17 would work since he is good in super so maybe that arc has to be removed

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

nope GT cant happen man

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

Baby: "I use the saiyans to destroy the saiyans"

[@JudeSa68]

Black: “I use a mortal body to destroy mortals”

[@iramadrama8208]

"I hate rising rush but still use it"

[@knightghaleon]

“I reduced them to atoms”

[@comixproviderftw_02]

>Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks confront Zamasu from the past. Zamasu: You could not live with your own failures. Where did that bring you? Back to me. I thought by eliminating all of the mortals, the world would thrive. But you’ve shown me, that’s impossible. As long as there are forces beyond my control, there will always be those who will try to stop this planet from achieving its true potential of beauty. Vegeta: Yep. We’re all kinds of stubborn. Zamasu: I am grateful. Because now, I know what I must do. I will shred this universe down to its last mortal. And then, with the Super Dragonballs you’ve collected for me, create a new one. Teeming with life that knows not what it has lost, but only what it has been given. A grateful universe. Future Trunks: Born out of blood. Zamasu: They’ll never know it. *Ki blade* Because you won’t be alive to tell them. Goku: RRAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

[@iramadrama8208]

@@comixproviderftw_02 Wow

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

GT vs Super Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[@sekiko7183]

The real winner is Dragon Ball.

[@Ihab_Sammar]

Wow again

[@JoeKing837]

Just Some Guy without a Mustache hi

[@livingcheese2910]

*slams fist on desk* I say og Dragonball! Why don't we all sit together to talk about what we love and stop punching eachothers teeth over opinions out?

[@danielslater2001]

bruh, man we are just watching the same videos recently, im seeing u absolutely everywhere

[@saracohle]

I always thought Baby’s final look was interesting as he’s embraced the beastial side of the aliens that killed his world. A side even the remaining Saiyans neglect until this point in the story. It kind of was the ultimate slap in the face of the Saiyans in visuals alone. Idk I liked it, but Super Baby 2 is my fav of his styles.

[@mkt568]

GT wins for me. At least Goku felt consistent with how he was in Z as opposed to the Man-Child claiming to be Goku in Super. And one other thing to note, the End of Z is still canon, so all the stakes and Drama in Super feel hollow seeing as how we know how it’s all gonna play out in the end.

[@masterchief1642]

GT Goku couldn't count and doesn't know how to use strategy in battle. he's waaaaaaay more stupid and dumb compared to super goku. Atleast in super goku was smart in battle.

[@Espurr.8]

Both gt goku and super goku are pretty dumb at times every in battle

[@buttons551]

GT Shin: *Saves everyone* Super Shin: *Carried on Goku's shoulder like a child*

[@infamousplayer8772]

Don't tell me that scene wasn't funny as fuck. Seeing Goku just act so casually with such powerful and godly beings is kind of part of his charm, at least in my opinion. He manages to touch them and connect with them in a way very few people can, just by being himself. Zeno took a liking to him just because he was acting like himself, and Beerus clearly took a liking to him too with just one fight. Same thing with Hit and even Jiren to a certain extent.

[@ginogatash4030]

@@infamousplayer8772 Shin still got nerfed.

[@infamousplayer8772]

@@ginogatash4030 he was always a weakling. In the sense that Goku and Vegeta were already way stronger than him in Super Saiyan 2. He was stronger than Cell, and yet that amounted to literally nothing. Yeah he was useless in Super, but he kinda became useless in Z after awhile as well. That's what you get when your God isn't exactly that imposing...

[@MattManDX1]

In the Super manga Shin is way more competent and comes in clutch in several moments in the Goku Black arc. The anime writing staff mishandled him in comparison

[@infamousplayer8772]

@@MattManDX1 yeah, that scene where he shows up with Gowasu and explains every bullshit made by Black and Zamasu is great. The Goku Black arc was overall better in the manga, even though the anime had several moments which I liked more. Seriously, who the fuck had the idea to make Vegetto unfuse BEFORE the Final Kamehameha?

[@mattt5105]

Dang, I didn't know Mark liked starting World War 3 in the comment section

[@haid3rm]

The words of vegeta are interesting

[@meganinten0078]

DBGT>>>DBS

[@mattt5105]

@@tintinthereporter4391 I can say worse if you'd like

[@bluetenit695]

@@mattt5105 nonononononononononononono not while you're with your daughter... (I still prefer the name Bra instead of Bulla.)

[@JuanPalomoM]

You’re not as useless as I thought! As of now, i name you, my Grand Visir!

[@RR-gx2ui]

The problem in my opinion with both of them is that neither of them are focussing on the next generation. Like focus on Goten, Trunks and Gohan a bit more than just bringing them for humour or when you feel like it. I feel like Gohan could be made such a good and strong character especially since he defeated cell. Vegeta and Goku are awesome but they are getting old literally (since their like in their late 40's) and they should train their younger sons like Goku trained Gohan. I feel like Goku paid A Lot of attention to Gohan in terms of bonding and training together in comparison to Goten who just feels like his Gohan's younger brother and not Goku's son. They're meant to be 12 but look like they're 8 lol.

[@j.i.k2.044]

Good point, hopefully if Super goes past the end of Z this can happen

[@DEGermany]

So, how do you guys like Super Hero?

[@StevenJones851]

​@@DEGermany Super hero's is good love piccolo and Gohan

[@ricardosalavisa4490]

Super Manga is now with a Goten and Trunks Arc ( like a prologue Arc to the Super Hero Movie) focus on them . They're finally having the spotlight.

[@kej865]

Current supper manga is focusing on the next generation now lol this comment aged like milk

[@vogonpoet9206]

Dude baby is carrying the entirety of the GT rankings so hard

[@Sydney-wi1ym]

​@@widodoakrom3938 taking a shot at super even though nobody brought it up lol

[@TruePurplePrime]

17 was the realist with that hair, let’s be honest long hair should always be getting in peoples way

[@blackshogun272]

I really want a version of Super 17 in DBS so bad. I love his character design in GT !

[@akeemheyward]

BlackShogun 27 Facts bro! GT Super 17 is literally my 2nd favorite villain, his style was just dope!!!

[@JohnSmithsu2006]

Yes

[@CornBreadtm1]

@@blackshogun272 Beerus was gonna make 17 & 18 potara fuse...

[@spacedandyland1989]

@@akeemheyward bro super 17 was OP. GT was in my opinion very underrated

[@artbytim_4962]

Gild: literally exists. Pan: “So you have chosen, abuse”

[@F4nta5y]

Dont tell me you wouldnt also wanna beat the fuck outta him

[@artbytim_4962]

But damn Pan be taking it to far

[@kobil316SH]

@@F4nta5y id much rather beat the shit out of pan

[@artbytim_4962]

Kobil Shakur Nobody Pan: GrAndPAAaAAaa!!

[@SuperSirianRigel]

GT isn't canon anymore sooo... Gild doesn't exist! Ha ha! So neither does his abuse. Good thing for him. lol!

[@dog7426]

Literally the most rational argument I ever heard for GT vs. DBS. Most of the time the argument's either that DBS fans aren't true DB fans or that GT fans can't prefer the series because it's "not canon". Great vid!

[@JD5milk]

Dragon Ball Super was executed better and had more polish, but GT was creative and that ending is just something else

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Absolutely agree

[@kyledavid9244]

"Stupid Super Goku" music always gets me I need an hour version of it

[@RancidKari]

I need 10 hours.

[@FaissalsAnimation]

@@RancidKari 100 hours is better

[@RancidKari]

Faissal's Animation yeah, you’re right.

[@j-dot4936]

A. Y e a r s. W o r t h

[@AdventVFX]

@@j-dot4936 a life times worth*

[@brandon_4902]

Whether you hate GT or not, you got to admit that the theme song as well as the instrumental alone is beautiful.

[@pines3326]

I can't help but shed a tear at the finale. The music, memories and ending just hit harder than a punch from Goku

[@brandon_4902]

@@pines3326 SAME!! Ik exactly what you mean!

[@mariomanspecial3113]

Facts

[@j.i.k2.044]

I am not a fan of GT but their theme songs are 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@LaaightRmns116]

@@pines3326 ok

[@keagzangove6717]

Its also good to note that GT was pretty much a fan made love letter to both dbz and the original dragon ball series. And they didnt have anything near the budget or clout super does, not to mention toriyama actually being involved. The fact that they can even be compared despite all that makes a massive argument for GT and makes me wonder how great it could've been if it did have those things

[@fadumomohamed2342]

I think the main issue that I had with Super was that it never really felt serious to me. I only watched got as a kid, so my memory might be wrong, but I had the highest meltdown when they were transferring everyone to another planet, and piccolo stayed.

[@denniswilliams6519]

That scene is crap and just a display of GT's disrespect of Piccolo. Mark highlights it here better than I could.

[@pastjdzz]

Piccolo scene was pure BULLSHIT didnt need to happen, it was just a forced emotional scene

[@fadumomohamed2342]

@@pastjdzz you know what? Better than super where they just recreated piccolo sacrificing himself for gohan.

[@pastjdzz]

@@fadumomohamed2342 at least in super he acctualy had a reason to save him, is gt he coulda easily survived whole saving gohan in the process

[@ferrucciocaracciuolo8139]

​@@pastjdzzThe point was that he needed to die to remove the Dragon balls.

[@gabolujan]

I actually really liked that GT was about the freaking DRAGON BALLS. Ever since Z started the Dragon Balls have been just a background item.

[@vivianjames357]

Interesting note. I'm sure people have had them cross their mind when thinking of db and specifically gt but they dont give it weight. The show is named after them to begin with and while the super dragon balls were used as a tournament prize they still went by the same rules. Maybe its just the end goal and everything else is the journey but they really did forget about them until and because they became so easy to find.

[@zef2101]

Namek?

[@senseless_lemur3829]

Zef exactly what I was about to saw

[@ryynerwicked2762]

Agreed especially the idea that they were over used an mostly due to the z fighters wishes they literally had to reap what they had sawn

[@Bluesit32]

GT started off being TOO much like an attempt to go back to the way things were in the original series. Didn't get much better afterward.

[@moonsmonsters]

I feel like dragon ball gt ending was the entire series coming full circle. "Until we meet again!" Childhoods ended that day

[@latima123ify]

moonsmonsters yeah when they ended get they clearly were doing it with the intention of the whole series ending for good. You can tell just by what they did but Super didn’t have that final feel because it’s coming back, not to mention the manga is still going

[@RulerOfYore]

rob And a movie came out just a few months later.

[@xMasterSparku]

Tears were shed

[@NARUTOS25]

Yeah GT end is the definitive end of dragonball

[@meganinten0078]

I don't care what Mark thinks. For me GT has the superior finale

[@redxblood85]

Don't forget Krillin and Roshi moments in Super, their episodes were great

[@leultrainstinct406]

Facts. Especially roshi holy crap that was beautiful. He even god respect from vegeta and the strongest god of destruction. Tien had some nice moments too. The fact he opened his own dojo to teach the next generation was great to see and perfect for his character. But in gt they do absolutely nothing. Only thing krillin did was die lol.

[@antoniogrady5954]

@@leultrainstinct406 how was it perfect for his character like it does nothing sense his character arc was pretty much done in og dragon ball

[@antoniogrady5954]

@@leultrainstinct406 also let's not forget the power scaling of super and how bad it is

[@sinistralhydra]

Yeah, but Tien deserved *way* better.

[@tanoshi6667]

You forgot the best Arc in DBS Purple Vegeta

[@Pablo-yu9mc]

*HEEEY MUY BUENAS A TODOS, GUAPÍSIMOS-*

[@aditya-dk6rw]

LOL

[@Jeremy_villo_xd]

Thats filler and noncanon

[@acegameravery9488]

@@Jeremy_villo_xd I honestly enjoyed it, it was a very interesting saga, which was pretty entertaining but that's about it.

[@tybog5997]

It’s so scary to me DBS started airing in 2015 like I felt like it was airing yesterday

[@waterh2o299]

😐

[@sendark]

BATTLE OF GODS AIRED IN 2012 LIKE HHDXRDRCDV

[@waterh2o299]

@@sendark 😂

[@saiyan_og9678]

tyguy360Gaming Dragon Ball has come so far my man lol. What’s even crazy is that for a long time there was a point where none of us knew the franchise was gonna continue. Bless you Akira Toriyama !!🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@blendon8]

@@saiyan_og9678 Dbz was probably ment to end after the Freeza saga.

[@Heart_ken01]

I can't believe the serious Goku in the Buu Saga telling Goten and Trunks to stop fighting is the same Goku in Super...

[@gurtner9]

Goku in dbs isn‘t goku anymore…

[@wolfgod6443]

Man, Goku was an idiot throughout all of Buu Saga, he just never got called out for it. Of course he does act more serious, but that's about it, and even then Super Goku acts more serious against the real villains (Black and Jiren), but is more lighthearted for a friendly competition (like against Hit). Goku's only problem in Super is he forgets critical information or is ignorant of something obvious. But then, in the Cell Saga, Goku barely understood his own son and dismissed his own heart disease against the Androids, and in the Buu Saga he didn't even consider what's wrong with expecting 2 toddlers to take down the biggest threat to the universe. And yeah, there's the whole SS3 debacle. Regardless, in Super he doesn't make "anti-Goku" decisions throughout the entire ToP, he's friendly and honest for the U6 tournament (a lower stakes battle), his weaknesses are exploited against Frieza (the one person who can exploit his weaknesses), and while he's a fool in the Goku Black arc, it's not like evil containment would just win anyways as Goku and Vegeta were still losing to Black already who could save Zamasu in a second, him not knowing what a kiss is is a stupid nitpick to complain about of all things, and him forgetting senzu beans...is pretty dumb of him, yes, but not any dumber than practically letting Buu resurrect to satisfy Vegeta's ego.

[@username_1404.]

Wolfgod 64 thank I see gokus as being the same Goku I’ve been watching since beginning of dbz

[@ultimatewarriors1291]

@@username_1404. ok

[@etam8099]

@@wolfgod6443 ssj3 debacle? what?

[@OnlyMichaelSparrow]

I always found the Goku black arc was more compelling. It was often a mystery to think what would you find out next.

[@Reivaz88]

Yea wow, what a great villain, I liked the part where all of the character development we got for him was him seeing rock men kick each other, and that's it, it's not even like the way he goes about his plan is cool or smart, its borderline impossible first of all, but that's one of many dragon ball plot holes so that gets a pass, but it's so contrived, why didn't anyone stop zamasu, why didn't Zeno care or kill him( the manga does it a bit better) OH and I love the part where they don't destroy the planet even though that they can and that would kill everyone on it but that would effectively stop the arc,and the part where the killed all the gods but and tried to destroy the multiverse but no one stopped him even besides the gods,and how they retconned the earnings for no reason at all and actively contradict multiple things, and how trunks gets a bullshit form for no reason or explanation that noone else has, or how the whole arc could have been solved if Goku wasn't turned into a idiot

[@rage_2000]

This is like like discussing whether Zelda is about free exploration or about becoming the hero of legend

[@unclephillymya]

Trunks doing a genki dama with 30 people alive on earth and putting into his sword is the funniest shit ever

[@Goblin_Hands]

What's not funny is it actually works...I was getting ready to really laugh my ass off when it didn't even scratch the entity that was nearly unfazed by SSjB Vegito and caused him to de-fuse.

[@unassumingviewer2104]

At least it worked. (Even if Zeno did all of the work to end it)

[@nicmagtaan1132]

@Brandon kid buu is the strongest than all of the buus

[@LongusDongus03]

@Brandon it's legit mentioned in DBZ that Kid Buu is stronger. The reason is mentioned too

[@Sadlaxy]

@@LongusDongus03 kid buu is the most dangerous and pure form of buu, super buu was the most powerful form of buu.

[@D0SSANTOS]

Mark: "GT Trunks is lit" Trunks GT: President of Capsule Corp. LMAO

[@theteamrpmgfs3901]

He had a hostile takeover in the company

[@xthatghomiex2939]

Mark just said GT Trunks sucks...

[@lapplandkun9273]

and yet people keep comparing him to future trunks. Honestly, people need to learn that both trunks are different

[@pureskill123]

@@lapplandkun9273 Yes let's compare the guy who grew up in a world of peace and prosperity (Rich AF family) vs a guy who spent months (years?) fighting for their lives and money had no value.

[@lapplandkun9273]

Tobias Davies but people do. And it’s honestly unfair because GT trunks is kid trunks all grown up expect he’s from a different time.

[@wwCs49]

Baby (the tuffles revenge against the saiyans) and the Shadow Dragons (the group getting a comeuppance for the over-reliance on the dragons balls, which was teased by elder kai in the buu arc) are such amazing ideas for villains. I find anything to do with saiyan lore so enthralling over all the god stuff. a lot of super felt like there were zero stakes and all the new multi-colored gods powers were so uninteresting. I hope eventually the series gets back to saiyan lore and we see more of broly, maybe a new iteration/retelling of baby, and a final satisfying tussle with frieza

[@MegaSolidninja]

Yeah I agree

[@kubakaczmarek2399]

Dragon balls just becoming 7 dragons generic villains with diffent powers for over-reliance on dragon balls doesn't make any logical sense . How it is amazing idea?

[@MegaSolidninja]

@@kubakaczmarek2399 I don't know it just does....cause I enjoyed watching so therefore it's good.

[@indifference1015]

@@kubakaczmarek2399 First not all of them are generic. It does make sense as the series is called dragon ball and the fact that dragon balls were overused to the point of rendering death pretty much pointless makes for a good arc to show that actions have consequences. True the majority of the shadow dragons weren't interesting but the concept is a great idea for this series. Meanwhile super has 2 tournaments with no real stakes, a resurrection dbz villain with an asspull power up and the only interesting arc turns out to be another body swap/possession we've seen before. While dbgt isn't perfect by any means I can appreciate the attempt at something different vs doing the same thing over like Super did.

[@kubakaczmarek2399]

@@indifference1015 There wasn't any establish rule that dragon balls can be corupted that come out of nowhere, but It doesn't make any sense that dragon balls become dragons OUT OF NOWHERE.

[@winstonstrange6732]

OG dragon Ball and dragon Ball GT are the only ones that have ever made me cry and made me emotionally invested

[@greenslayer1625]

When vegeta moustache gets more character development than pan

[@waterh2o299]

😂

[@superexclusive452]

More than him too

[@rokutime2627]

Then y'all didn't pay attention to GT. Pan's relationship with Goku and her parents goes full circle.

[@Karma-ji6ud]

In GT we got to see Vegeta with a moustache. Whereas in super we got to see both Goku and Vegeta rocking a Jesus beard.

[@xandrepearcy449]

These are the real observations we should be making

[@fullmontymayhem]

One issue not touched on is that GT didn't actively damage any of dragonballs lore, where as dbs...gives me tingles in my back...

[@alpha6549]

Hahaha but thats not the only thing. Too much bullcrap from super

[@SprinklesServant]

What lore?

[@alpha6549]

@@SprinklesServant many things Too many Why did trunksn goten become smaller Why was goku suddenly retarded And dafuq was that with the tingling back And too many other things

[@SprinklesServant]

Ooooh... Including the "Goku confused on what a kiss is"?

[@alpha6549]

@@SprinklesServant oh my gooood olease dont remind me wtffff

[@BloodyBaseballs6053]

3:01 I just LOVE how funny Vegeta's face and expression is while he's explaining when both Battle of Gods films were made, implying how messed up it was, making Vegeta's expression here soo hilarious!! XDD

[@southkai1491]

I know I’m late but I just found you channel and it’s great so i subbed love what your doing

[@KcinTelliam4595]

GT doesn’t have the president of China as a villain. So Super wins.

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

You're so wrong for that😂😂😂😂👏👏👏

[@revlismorningstar825]

Well, he's not a villain either in Super

[@lenoirtnb4077]

[ CHINA WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION ]

[@ZakJordan98]

Ironically i found them selling Botamo toys in Shanghai

[@Osama-KIN_TMZ01]

@@revlismorningstar825 You're wrong xD

[@GamiCross]

Baby: "I will stop Saiyans from becoming rampaging apes and destroying planets! -- I will stop them by becoming a rampaging ape and destroying planets!!"

[@almondjoy4938]

It seems like that was intentional. "Those Who Fight Monsters" and all that jazz.

[@Acemancello]

Kinda like how Zamasu was like "mortals are inferior trash -- I'll steal this mortals body to become more powerful"

[@2absolutelynots]

its a open to interpretation thing. He stopping them from rampaging by killing every planet so they cant possibly destroy them.

[@Naruku2121]

@@2absolutelynots Can't Have Sayians Destroy Your Planet if You destroy it first *Taps Head*

[@andrewrabon]

Baby wasn't designed to STOP the saiyans. They had already long-since won. Baby was designed to take REVENGE on the saiyans, and destroying the world where the remaining saiyans live fits the bill to me. There's also a slight irony. "This is what YOUR race did to countless worlds. How do YOU like it?"

[@KMFBrawler]

I loved this review journey of last year. This is my second time watching all of them!

[@pugmandan2793]

It's crazy how if you add the moro saga it blows gt out of the water in some of these categories

[@jantheking7028]

Dude, if its talking about the manga in general, than it AUTOMATICALLY blows GT out of the water.

[@jantheking7028]

@hassan Zahid I know

[@idrissbenaziz2411]

@@jantheking7028 Both are trash manga. Should’ve ended with the Cell Games or Buu Saga.

[@jantheking7028]

@@idrissbenaziz2411 Nah, Super manga is Great. Super anime is decent/watchable. And GT is just mid/bad

[@idrissbenaziz2411]

@@jantheking7028 I want you to mention a single memorable villain that doesn’t just use his fists to beat Goku. Moro at the start was unique and great, then just became a knockoff Cell. They always manage to completely destroy potentially amazing villains. It’s sad. Gohan should’ve become the main character after Goku’s death. Also, death has no consequence. There’s always the dragon balls, and they completely ignore the fact that you can only be revived twice. Goku died more times than that. Vegeta should’ve permanently died in the Buu Saga, Goku in the Cell Games, etc.

[@frankerazo4580]

GTs ending is like getting the math anwser right while doing non of the procedure

[@Yoseqlo1]

Yeah. Such a beautiful ending, but not earned at all.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

... They still made it though?At the time they thought it was the end why wouldn't they not put all the series moments in what was supposed to be the end and if anything the actual end is the gt movie with g Goku Jr. Super ended knowing it was still going to continue it didn't have the job of closing the series

[@saiyan_og9678]

Frank Erazo It was honestly a great ending and it was very heartfelt. Unfortunately it wasn’t great enough to save the series

[@agentboi4794]

At least super and GT butchered Trunks' character

[@SprinklesServant]

am I the only one who Is confused with the GT ending, like, WHY DID GOKU LEAVE!?!?o(╥﹏╥)o

[@discoplatypusplayz3389]

"Dragon Ball GT vs Dragon Ball Super" Also known as "Super Saiyan 4 vs Ultra Instinct"

[@kytsunee6324]

N-no? Wha- why? This joke’s dumb.

[@kevinnsereko8070]

N-no? Wha- why? This joke's dumb

[@adrianr.8819]

N-no? Wha- why? This joke’s dumb.

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

N-no? Wha- why? This joke's dumb.

[@max21567]

m

[@madzman7214]

super did more entertainment for me than gt ever did for me even though gt had some interesting ideas it never fleshed out or really did anything for there narrative while super did and gave dragon ball a new future but one thing both series fail at is the fantastic world of dragon ball no longer feels lived in what I mean is what once was lands filled with thousands of stories to tell are now ignored and forgotten even though super has shown new worlds for adventure I don't see it ever going past goku or vegeta for adventures

[@GiornoKujo]

7:48 this goten edit will forever live rent-free inside my head

[@Diox990]

Opinions aside, I gotta say I really appreciate that GT had mostly consistent on model art. In most of the GT clips shown in this video the characters look good while on the Super clips half of them look really off and weird.

[@chrisbendross6229]

Thats kinda my thing, while there are some absolutely STUNNING visuals in super, the consistency is just not there man. Its bad enough to me that i just can't watch it despite Dragonball being my favorite series for the longest time. I just can't get past it.

[@harleyoyelade9988]

Only the first two arcs where they didn’t try with animation because there’s already a movie version with some of the best animation to in Dragon ball has ever seen so...

[@williamnapitupulu5775]

Bro you clearly havent watched gt, tho the clips shown here was good, GT's usual quality is god awful at times, characters move so damn slow its painful

[@SuperGuldo]

i hate how the universe 6 saiyans are skinny as a noodle i hate them in general

[@themangastand8475]

Super goes from like God tier, to like boruto tier real fast

[@moonraven6145]

I remembered one thing from GT in terms of character growth albeit minor, Vegeta was the first to suggest fusing into Gogeta, normally it took Goku bugging him into fusing.

[@jantheking7028]

DBS still had more development for Vegeta. I loved that Vegeta took up the master role with Cabba and Vegeta also going to train under Whis for the first time showed that he pushed away his pride and finally admits that he doesn't need to be a lone wolf for everything. Whis and Beerus were the first person Vegeta ever trained with since he was a kid.

[@moonraven6145]

@@jantheking7028 Yeah I liked Vegeta's arc in Super as well, him becoming more mature instead of basically obsessing over being the best at all times, accepting training from others that sort of thing.

[@iman5147]

@@jantheking7028 Bruh, they retconned Vegeta's character just for that arc to occur.... Again. Dude acknowledged and became less obsessive with Goku after the final fight with Buu. It kinda makes his development (Again) pointless and not good whatsoever.

[@jantheking7028]

@@iman5147 No, he was only less obsessive with Goku in the moment of the Buu arc, just like he had done on Namek before Frieza killed him. He hardly obsessed with Goku in DBS, the only time where he might've done it is in the Tournament of Power when Goku got Ultra Instinct. The Moro arc shows that Vegeta isn't obsessed with Goku anymore, or at least as much as he used to be.

[@mikechrist9699]

@@jantheking7028 man you literally comment in every videos about how much you hate GT. like damn, are you a 7 years old?

[@TheAvgCrusader]

My only issue with Super and where I'd give GT the upper hand is the villains and the power dynamics and how they work. Starting with Villains, GT was undoubtedly better to me. Specifically Baby and the Shadow Dragons. Yes, Super had some okay villains but none were really inspired. Beerus was like Z Broly, a powerful force that could destroy like half the universe and couldn't be stopped by the Saiyan duo alone. Goku Black is a color swapped Goku that just hates mortals. They literally just brought Frieza back for like no reason. Purple Vegeta was just weird. And then some characters only had the perks of being cool like Hit and Jiren. Hit was a walking JoJo reference, English VA included, and Jiren was Space Kenshiro. Whereas GT had Baby and the Dragons. Baby was basically the culmination of the sins of the Saiyan race. Even coming back to bite it's royal bloodline. The shadow dragons were created by the use of the Dragon Balls in Z, which is a nice way of coming full circle. Also GT just had cooler designs. And now we get to power dynamics, or transformations... this is probably where people are gonna hate me. The God Ki stuff was stupid. I don't understand why they went that route and it never really made sense to me. Like, 5 Saiyans can make a God Saiyan somehow and Goku is magically a god now. SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue was also really weird to me and also never really made sense to me either. Why did they stop at just SSJ? SSB was about Ki Control... so if Goku or Vegeta perfected SSJ3, then added God Ki to get SSB3... wouldn't that just solve most of their problems? Goku could probably train and stack Kaio-ken on it too. I guess what I'm getting at is they introduced a new powerful, albeit odd, energy and did nothing with it. SSJ4 was introduced as a Saiyan's pinnacle, and that was it. Now we have UI and Royal Blue or whatever... it begs the question: Where do they go from here? SSJ4 was meant to be a Saiyans full power but it was still grounded and open to expansion. With enough training they could probably break their own limits and get an even more powerful form. UI and Royal Blue put Goku and Vegeta miles further than anyone else and makes things really sureal in terms of scaling. UI makes Goku stupid levels past all of the Z fighters and Vegeta wanted to surpass Goku but in reality kinda didn't even get close because of UI's ability. It just don't work.

[@jantheking7028]

I disagree with you a lot, I think the antagonist section should've gone to DBS easily. Beerus is a better character and antagonist than every DBGT antagonist. Zamasu and Goku Black arc better characters and antagonists than every DBGT villain besides arguably Baby (It's debateable, but I prefer Zamasu over Baby). I think Hit had a more unique profression and moveset than anyone in DBGT. I also think Jiren was a better antagonist than Super 17 and Omega Shenron, but that doesn't really say much considering all 3 of them are pretty bad. I agree with you on transformations ad disagree at the same time.

[@markopusic8258]

I would go even further about God Ki being stupid. If we really think about it, excluding the idea of the Hakaishin or God of Destruction which I think was really well implemented in the Dragon Ball mythos, everything else about god-hood is fucking terrible. At this point, we've met Kami, the Kaios, the Supreme Kais and fucking Buu who absorbed 2 of those at one point yet God Ki was never mentionned. The Angels make no fucking sense, nor does Zeno. Angels' only known function is to mentor the Hakaishin but that's not even needed since the Hakaishins are already linked to the Supreme Kais, they could have assumed that role. Keep the Universes in check? Supreme Kais and Kaios also do that so what's the point of the Angels other than a higher power ceiling? And if Angels are that powerful and can even manipulate time, why do the lesser gods exist? Clearly they are outmached in literally everydomain except for instant travel. And who the hell is Zeno? Did he create everything? How'd he do so as a stupid child figure? Did he revert himself to a child because he was bored or something? If he is so powerful, why does any god exist? The guy can erase entire universes with a raise of his hand. I like Super but the god stuff, apart from the Hakaishin introduction is, for lack of a better term, god awful

[@nasraken1971]

@@jantheking7028 He was talking about character development wise GT had better villains, not who had the coolest powers looks and moves, Baby's story connected back to the original dragonball so did the dragons, & even super 17, Jiren was the most inspired villain in super , Super had cool villains and powers definitely, but story progression was uninspired, look at the consistency of Naruto

[@nasraken1971]

@Mathew Sakwa tbh Alot of people I've met that love super are newer gen, and weren't watching dragonball when it was 1st out , Super seems like a side story to commercialize the show , GT was more of a follow up to Z, none the less I feel we can agree the original ending would've been better to have ssj2 gohan actually fight cell and become the main protagonist from there , with ssj2 being the max level a saiyans can reach

[@jantheking7028]

@@nasraken1971 Character development wise? I don't think you know what character development is, because if we are talking about character development for the antagonists, then that easily goes to DBS. Frieza in DBS Broly had development from the completely revenge obsessesd Frieza from Resuerection F. Zamasu developed as a character as he gradually slipped deeper and deeper into his ideology until it consumed and basically turned him into an entirely different person. Jiren had development in the sense that the Tournament of Power taught him that pure power isn't the "be all, end all" and it also taught him about the value in his teammates. None of the DBGT villains antagonists had development or a progression in their character.

[@GoshTimeBR]

You almost got me, but saying that Super's "Ending" was a better ending than GT's was the nail in the coffin man. Like, sure, you might be a GT hater and stuff, but I can't even try to believe that Super's "ending" was more impactful than GT's. Call it nostalgia or not, Super's "ending" doesn't excite me as much, nor it makes me tear up. GT's on the other hand felt like a proper ending. Sure, Super's "ending" isn't actually an ending, because they WILL milk the series further more FOR SURE, but like I said, I didn't felt remotely excited to see the future. I just "pray" that it is better than it was until now. If it gets the same treatment, I'll still be like "Cool.", and nothing more than that. GT's ending makes me think of the whole series in a single episode, seeing Goku kinda "retracing" his steps and his journey, while giving us a proper feeling of "Wow, this was the ending. I'm glad for this series as a whole, even despite some GT arcs being pretty mid or bad". Super's "ending" makes me think "Wow, Goku sure is strong huh haha. Back to my usual stuff now". The ending doesn't have much "character" as the GT one did. Therefore I HARDLY disagree with half (If not most) of the video's arguments. But everyone have their opinion on stuff like that, and honestly, no one here is particularly "right or wrong", since they both have a different approach and stuff like that. But I do think that GT feels way less of a "hype train" or a "cash grab" than Super, in most instances. Sure, GT completely tried to "surf" on DBZ's hype and stuff, because it was HUGE back then, but you can feel the passion in some instances throughout the anime, especially the most "common knowledge" thing here, which is the ending, that makes people tear until this day. Super in the other hand, sometimes feel jarring to watch, because you KNOW Goku will win, or IF he gets close to "dying", he will transform in Super Sayian fucking orange or SUPER MEGA ULTRA INSTINCT and beat the shit out of the antagonist. Super FEELS like it is just something you watch to unlock your neurons to some good old punch and magic spamming, other than watching for the story and stuff. My point is, Super is just a "hype driven anime", making you go "Cool." more than "Omg, what will happen after this?", which isn't a bad thing, but completely throws the development the characters had prior to Super. GT is more of an adventure anime, with some good fights here and there, but makes you feel pressed against a wall more times than Super ever did. It has it's "Deus Ex-Machina" moments, like the Super Saiyan 4 stuff and such, but I personally prefer getting 1 "overpowered form" (Or 2, if you also count Gogeta SSJ4) over about 3 overpowered forms (Discounting fusions, which add to the stupidity of the power level numbers), one getting more overpowered than the last one (And we all know that they won't stop making more forms as the show goes on). It honestly feels just like I said, you get "hyped" to see what ridiculous different form they will create for characters next time (Look at the new DBS Super Hero movie XD). It's not particularly a bad thing if you just want the action, but if you want ANYTHING OTHER than the action, you won't get much quality and development as it once had, in DB, DBZ and heck, even DBGT. I hope I didn't look like I wanted to offend anyone or anything, but just like Mark shared his opinions, I wanted to share mine. We're both probably "wrong", but there's no actual "right or wrong" in opinions, like I said, when it is a personal preference thing. And I also hope that I was able pass my thoughts and opinions straight, not making it redundant nor confusing to understand. I also grew up with this series being a huge part of my life, not just my childhood, so of course there is a bit of nostalgia trip still in me, but I honestly tried to throw most of the nostalgia out of the way as I wrote this comment, and try to not make it extremely biased, but also making sure that I got my points and arguments as I honestly feel like they are.

[@waddlewrathplays879]

Watching gt: why are people dancing. Watching super: what happen to his face.

[@daquanepaschal4633]

Chigozie Nzerem do you Play Dragon Ball legends

[@-Genki]

@@daquanepaschal4633 I do

[@lolcall5295]

Conclusion: let's just watch OG and Z

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

Ironically super copies GT with the dancing concept but no one complained about it.

[@yourmotherisaseal5239]

Headshredder When? I really want to know

[@edgartrujillo5030]

I like how the villains you discussed could be boiled down to Evil Vegeta vs Evil Goku

[@TruuJones]

Duality , beautiful

[@TheAzulmagia]

Imagine if Baby Vegeta fused with Goku Black.

[@evanlight2550]

Black Baby Vegito, sweet

[@Naruku2121]

More like Goku and Vegeta are victims of body snatchers.

[@randomdude2971]

BlueMageDanny there’s actually a animation where goku black and Baby vegeta fuse to fight broly, you should watch it it’s pretty entertaining

[@sameerkashyap1750]

Things I like about GT - Actually new concepts, designs, music, better villains, and that ending. Things I like about Super - better fights, better hype moments, better comedy(not GOKU), better character moments(even though I think Vegeta's "arc" is just a repeat and somewhat of a parody) It is just that GT didn't feel to lazy to me. Super always did. The power scaling is just annoying. New colours, powering up and matching opponents who were kicking your ass just through determination and anger, is boring. It simply is. Super never had great antagonists. Black just feels lazy, and tacked on. His existence being illogical aside. Even though I admit that SSPink looks better than blue any day of the week.

[@azzafarhan7740]

How about the first arc

[@anttoz4989]

I like certain shit from GT and I like certain shit from Super, but neither are perfect

[@zainraza6026]

Best opinion

[@briankennedy5885]

I like GT because it felt like Dragon Ball at the beginning, before Z. I grew up in Mexico and we had the original Dragon Ball air before Z, so GT had a more nostalgic feeling.

[@jantheking7028]

A lot of the reason to love DBGT is nostalgia based. I watched the entire dragon ball series in 2015, and I watched DBS in 2018 and I liked DBS a lot more than DBGT. DBGT peaked at the Baby arc and I was uninterested at the Super 17 saga. I got interested again for the shadow dragons, but the arc disappointed me because of how weak it made some of the dragons despite hyping them up beforehand. I watched it all at once, so it might be that I was burned out when I got to DBGT, but with that in mind I did prefer DBS to DBGT. It's just an opinion tho, I plan to watch DBGT again in a couple of years to see if it was really as bad as I remember.

[@SciakkaPRODUCTION]

Same from Italy

[@Lrizu]

On*

[@jantheking7028]

@@Lrizu yo, you wanna play extreme butoden?

[@Lrizu]

@@jantheking7028 i wanted to ask you But i forgot the name of the video How did you find me here? And Yes

[@deekayer80085]

I think dragonball GT’s ending was a better ending to dragonball as a whole where dragonball super’s was a closing to dragonball super

[@deekayer80085]

Leonard Church ye that’s why I said closing, like this chapter is closed

[@pokepoke1564]

The Lifeless Gamer he said that, gt’s ending has nothing to do with gt so he said supers ending was better

[@Soulmakka]

@@pokepoke1564 Yeah but that's his bias blatantly lying. Where was Piccolo? Why was Piccolo there? Did this not only happen in GT?

[@Binks7077]

Soulmakka don’t think you quite understood the point he saying that all these heartfelt goodbyes work as a closing to dragon ball as a whole but not for gt piccolo showed up for like 5 scenes if you haven’t watched it dragon ball your not gonna care about that interaction in gt

[@Soulmakka]

@@Binks7077 so by that then... LOTR: Return of the King had an awful ending as it relied on the previous two films for it's send off lol. GT just like Super isn't a separate story. It is a continuation of a story that begun in dragonball.

[@AbhikFFG]

Gt songs are masterpiece... And Nostalgic

[@CornerstoneMinistry316]

Super hands down is better. GT is pretty much fan fiction

[@HighAndLower]

Lol opposite

[@HighAndLower]

Recolors is a fan service

[@fake._]

I liked GT as a kid. They were back to adventures, but now in space. Everyone grew up and it was interesting how they changed. Goku running through villains in space made sense, they weren't a universal threat like Buu.

[@leultrainstinct406]

Eh it sounds good on paper but it was executed horribly. There could’ve been crazy new adventures, but instead they just ripped off the original db adventures to shove nostalgia in our faces. That’s the exact reason they turned goku into a kid lmao. You could say it was to nerf him, but when you nerf the main character the other characters get shine and development. Pan and trunks had NONE of that. And that’s ultimately why the first arc failed.

[@ShyBoy6ty9]

Same. I didn't even know GT got so much hate for years.

[@wingzero2348]

@@leultrainstinct406 Still better then this childish DBS

[@ChromedDomes]

Good idea but horribly done. Like, we've got a bunch of boring nobodies, with poor designs, uninteresting (Or sometimes creepy in a bad way) personalities, with uninteresting powers.

[@SoulWarriorSF]

@@wingzero2348 gt kid goku saga😄😄😄😄😄😄

[@meganinten0078]

One thing GT did better than Super. GT stories tried to deal with changes and consequences all the time and actually making them stick. Goku being weakened. Having to deal with every big bad going forward. Baby being karma of past sins of the Saiyan race. Dragon Balls becoming the enemy after all this time of aiding our heroes due to the characters over reliance on them. Piccolo sacrificing his existence at the end.

[@crimsoncouncil9138]

One thing tho?

[@BestgirlJordanfish]

I absolutely agree with that. I'd love to see someone take those elements of GT to make a new dragon ball rewrite with more focus and love.

[@SevenWilly]

this is the reason I like GT more than super. It actually feels weighty. Like the situations actually mean something. Super just has too much tension killing bullshit. Super dragonballs that can do basically anything. Zeno who can just erase any problem ever. Whis who can turn back time. Not too mention random power spikes like spirit sword bomb trunks thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate super. But i prefer gt to it.

[@aidenknightofaskr3705]

MegaNinten 007 piccolo sacrifice didn’t make sense

[@jagonz70580]

I counted. That's more than one.

[@joelsorto5303]

I don't fear many things. But that thing... That haunting image at 2:34 depicting Son Goku as a junior high schooler's drawing. That keeps me up at night.

[@DragonballZDeep215]

Just finished super yesterday and i think its far better. The characters alone make it a better show. Beerus and whis are great. And goku and frieza teaming up in the last episode...are you fucking kidding me? Amazing.

[@wenbluepirate3954]

Super Mario Bros Z is the best sequel for DBZ.

[@andsuku7001]

He has a point.,.,.,.,.

[@lasarousi]

I feel PowerPuff Girls Z was the better sequel imo.

[@theamazingmaymay123]

lasarousi how dare.

[@-Genki]

@@lasarousi that's a throwback name. I remember watching that while in my early stages of being a weeb, not leaving my room because I wanted to consume any anime I could find.

[@princeterrien8612]

Are they going to continue mario z

[@maki9852]

i really love the part when SSJ4 Goku gets really serious when Pan gets absorbed. Goku makes a speech that life is nothing without freedom, and builds up rage because one of the shadow dragons took away Pan’s freedom. It really moved me when Pan screams to Goku to kill her off with the dragon, And that to me shows that Pan is not just a kid but a true Z-Warrior that is willing to die for her planet and friends. (Also I really love SSJ4 and Dragon Fist)

[@shanestrickland5006]

Ssj 4 was pretty cool despite Gt being a fail. Also omega shenron was also cool .

[@Lord_Dranek]

it also really sucks that they couldnt think of a name for the new transformation and just lazily called it SSJ4. because in reality its the Ascended Oozaru form which imo is the "true" potential of the Saiyan.

[@Darkko88]

@@Lord_Dranek It's still better than calling it SSJ God and just have it's hair color changed.

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

@@Lord_Dranek Goku believed grandpa gohan was in the 4 star dragon ball and felt a personal attachment to it. I like the idea of the best things for goku always being attached to the number 4

[@Lord_Dranek]

@@GokuInfintysaiyan why are you telling me that?

[@AntiVillain26845]

Baby doesn't asspull himself back-to-life as an omnipotent cloud, and killing him for good doesn't require a method which instantly negates multiple whole arcs. That alone makes GT better for me.

[@sydneyowusu3750]

It's his opinion, but GT fans are like: let us be insecure

[@juliostevens9480]

I agree with you. GT in my opinion is just too forced. Super while kiddish is more tolerable than at times given credit for despite it being wacky and at times random. Like you said GT just lives off everything Z had built Super develops into its own thing better.

[@kappakim1980]

Ah yes I remember Sasuke in dragon ball super kicking everyone’s ass in TOP

[@Cailan_Mors]

Who? That was Jiren Uchiha mate

[@5udimax]

Don't forget the ichiraku ramen guy giving Hit the ring out

[@edzzy0571]

Don’t forget jojo caught in the bed with Mr Satan

[@minohoy]

@@edzzy0571 😳

[@bootybandit9245]

I really liked Jiren Uchiha Vs Jotaro Kujo

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

The argument basically boils down to, “Was the Baby arc better than all of super?” I love Baby, but his arc just wasn’t enough to carry the rest of the show.

[@lifeloverNorris]

This is Mark's subjective POV. For me, I did enjoy parts of Super 17 and Evil Shenron arc. Not to say they're good or anything but there are elements that I like especially the latter.

[@fibaballers743]

The rest of GT was half the length of Super so Baby's arc absolutely carries it. The question you should be asking is "Was the ToP arc enough to carry the rest of the show?"

[@federicopalacios7439]

Baby arc was the same as most of Super, great concept, not so good excecution.

[@darshdabro3765]

FIBA Ballers I think the question for super should be if the Moro arc can carry the show since it’s the most beloved in super

[@cactus5812]

2 crappy tournament arcs and a rehashing of an old character into an arc brings it below GT.

[@southcac24]

That dragonball lofi in the background is so 🔥

[@The_Big_Jay]

Woah. GT could have had a pretty crazy tournament arc. They get to a planet looking for a Black Star Dragon Ball and find out it's a prize for a galaxy wide martial arts tournament. It could have a massive bracket with multiple rule sets, one on one, 2 on 2, whole teams fighting each other. Trunks and Pan could have their own stand out fights as Goku is put out of commission during his first, only to come back for the final (as usual). And they could introduce a new alien villain who is also after the Black Star Dragon Ball for their own nefarious reasons.

[@user-lo6iq2lu1g]

that wouldn’t be a good idea because of the bs dragon balls. those balls blows up the planet they were used on if they aren’t gathered. and they split into the universe. (kinda weird how noone brings this up) so the whole thing about them wanting them will become a plot hole. also how are they supposed to know they grant wishes? unless it’s a namekian, there is pretty much no way they would know about the dragon balls. of course, this may make a situation where the bs dragonballs are used yet again, causing another space adventure. (the worst part of gt tbh.)

[@The_Big_Jay]

@@user-lo6iq2lu1g Knowledge of the Black Star Dragon Balls isn't necessary since the lack of knowledge of the OG Dragon Balls ability to grant wishes never stopped anyone from keeping them from our heroes before. Also, assuming a villain is the one planning on using them next, he can just fly to another planet, use them, and just.. not care what happens to the planet.. because he's evil.

[@user-lo6iq2lu1g]

@The_Big_Jay well, yes but actually no. see, the dragon balls are pretty much exclusive to namek. and it’s a pretty big secret. despite the namekians being known for their special abilities, not even veggie or frieza figured it out before they connected the dots. so if anything, the bs dragonballs would just be a pretty ornament for pretty much anybody. and considering your concept involves many different races, it wouldn’t make sense for them to know. otherwise, good concept.

[@The_Big_Jay]

@@user-lo6iq2lu1g So yes, but actually yes? You just agreed with me. I said that even with no one in the theoretical tournament knowing about their wish granting powers, it is still realistic to have it as a grand prize. And even though it's a huge secret, why couldn't you write an alien villain who, through centuries of research, has finally found the truth of the mysterious balls, and now wishes to rule the universe or something? Just because it hasn't happened before, doesn't mean you can't write a realistic reason for happening now.

[@corruptcamerupt2344]

@@user-lo6iq2lu1ghere’s the thing, frieza found out about the dragon balls because of raditz or nappa’s scouter transmitting audio. I’m gonna guess frieza doesn’t spend all day listening in on the audio of scouters and has a dedicated unit for that, and something tells me that there being magical wish granting orbs out in space isn’t going to stay a secret for too long. With how much of the universe the frieza force is said to control by that time in z it isn’t too much of a leap to say that word got out about the dragon balls.

[@jacobstonier9529]

I feel like GT was a nod to the original Dragon Ball in terms of themes

[@Natoursofcourse]

thats what it was.

[@BIastProcX]

Except they don't have the awesome tournaments DB had

[@leultrainstinct406]

Nah. It was like the forced those themes into the series, and it was all they could depend on. That’s why the first arc was practically a copy and paste of the original adventures just with worse quality. In the end it never had a true identity. Whenever they had a chance, like giving certain characters development and shine, or executing great ideas the right way, they failed. That’s where I feel super succeeded. Not only did it continue db themes like hardwired, trust, pursuit of happiness, hope, etc. but it added new elements to the franchise.

[@leultrainstinct406]

Also, GT failed in the most important aspect of a db series: fights. Forget the story and all that, they couldn’t even execute fights the right way lol. That’s why super>>>imo.

[@comfylain]

@@leultrainstinct406 Super has literally no memorable fights, and the designs of the enemies with exception to Goku Black/Zamasu are all terrible. Who can honestly watch Jiren on screen for even a second without laughing/feeling embarrassed for his design? It's pathetic.

[@TruuJones]

DBZ even suffered from not being able to part with certain characters for too long. They loved keeping these characters on the sidelines to cheerlead, take bearings and ooh and awe at Vegeta and Goku. I can appreciate greatly GTs mentality of "if you aren't going to use these characters get them out of here."

[@Naruku2121]

I don't think it's GT's fault so much in the Utilziation of the other characters well most of the old cast anyway. If nothing else it is consistant with Z's ending, everyone's either too old or moved on or both. Goku's the only one that really earnestly continues his training because of course he would which leads slight credence to 'Goku Time'. Vegeta mellowed out in Z so it explains his characterization, the Humans just stick to whatever they would do living out the rest of their lives with likely Tien only training cause he's the most discplined. Goten and Trunks could of done more to have the torch passed on to them, but even Z showed they grew out of fighting in most cases so it is consistant. Gohan well he wasn't humilated like well Super, if nothing else he showed he could have the life he wanted while being some what combat capable if needed. The real mixed development was furthering Pan, Uub and argubly Bra/Bulla(Though she was basically Bulma 2.0)

[@Junebug89]

@@Naruku2121 Gohan, as poorly as he was treated in Super, at least did something. Gohan in GT was useless, he didn't even have his ultimate Gohan form, he never took a single 1v1 fight unless you count under Baby's control against Vegeta (even then I think Goten joined in at the end?), in big fights all he did was get blown away and feed energy to Goku.

[@Naruku2121]

@@Junebug89 I did say some what capable. His highs may not been as much as Super's even if that's still some what marginal. But his low's in GT is definitely not compared to being humiliated into a pathetic slump that could barely even go ssj anymore.

[@hardroxas7580]

And still they keep Pan.

[@bobdylan1968]

Super made every character relevant. They all had their moments. All of them. And that was wonderful. They made technique important again and stopped being so obsessed with characters who are so much more powerful that they make everyone useless. So obsessed with power levels. The best thing they ever did in super was making power levels far more vague. Hell they even brought back future trunks and made him more interesting and gave him more character development and more to do than even z. Suowe does so much right that makes up for what they did wrong. Gt has nothing. Nothing other than designs I guess. The story is trash, the fights do NOTHING new, they loop animation constantly again, theres no technique going on, the stories are dont feel like dragon ball, it feels like fan fiction, and there is ZERO character development for a single character in gt. None. Even goku is far far far more one note in gt.

[@ChrismennieR35]

Love all the dragon ball videos ! Keep it up mark!!

[@theorangeslice9678]

For me Goku Black takes it over Bebi in terms of being a character who ultimately succumbs to the thing they hate. My big issue with Bebi is that in the context of the story, him becoming more and more like a Saiyan as time goes on doesn't feel intentional. That's partially due to him being fairly generic in terms of how he interacts with other characters and how he's just kind of an Evil McBadguy in terms of his overall demeanor, but his Saiyan tendencies are never brought up in-universe. You can see it happening. You can see how he becomes more arrogant like a Saiyan when he calls off the infected Saiyans when fighting Oob. You can see it in how he toys around with Goku before attempting to finish him both times. And you can really see it in how he just starts destroying things with reckless abandon when he becomes a Great Ape, even though he's killing the race he's supposedly trying to revive. But no one ever once calls this behavior out. Compared to Goku Black, where at every turn Black is called out for his hypocrisy, especially by Vegetto after he fuses with Zamasu. It feels more intentional and baked into the story. And I have no doubt that the writers of GT intended to make Bebi fit that role, but it feels less utilized and less like a concrete part of the world than Goku Black does because the characters never acknowledge it.

[@leultrainstinct406]

Facts. Black is just better overall to me. Honestly it felt like mark was just trying to give gt some brownie points so the results would be less one sided lol. Better dialogue and ideals. That goes without saying. Baby was all about revenge this revenge that, but black was always saying something philosophical. better and more reasonable motivations. Baby had a good reason for revenge, but we knew the saiyains weren’t evil anymore. He eliminates them, nothing changes except the fact he satisfied his own desires. They could’ve made this word if they made him a sympathetic villain, but they didn’t. Black on the other hand had a great point, and was actually right. There are lots of evil mortals. We’ve seen this throughout the entire series. Whether it be humans on earth, or aliens from other planets. They destroy the creations of the gods. Eliminating them and just leaving nature would make the universe peaceful. Many of the gods are irresponsible and let mortals destroy their creations. Eliminating them would make the universe more peaceful too. Fools don’t deserve to be in positions of power. His motivation weren’t just to satisfy his own desires, he just wanted to make the universe a better place. On top of all this, they made him sympathetic. We know that zamasu wasn’t evil at first. He was a product of his environment. From seeing evil from mortals everywhere, as well as having an irresponsible mentor. Lol it sounds crazy but I was able to understand black, and somewhat reason with his actions. Black also has the cooler abilities hands down. Baby just had ki blasts, but black utilized ki in really cool ways. So definitely black>>>baby

[@anonymouspokemon4623]

Well, the reason why Zamasu didn't like mortals was not well explored, either. Like Swagkage said, Zamasu just saw a stone man kicking the other stone man, and he suddenly hates mortals. Goku Black isn't original as a design, either.

[@logicguy3092]

An interesting Baby v. Goku Black note is that the encounter with Baby directly shapes the final narrative arc of GT and the overall theme, the over use of the dragon balls. Whereas Goku black as an arc does little for the overall narrative of Dragon Ball Super or the character's development.

[@luisfelipeguerreroruiz4110]

Super arcs are not connected at all. You could put them as arc of Z without the new transformation and it's the same thing.

[@Vojou345]

That is some of things I liked about GT. For once there was a consequence for abusing the power of the dragon balls.

[@cityguard4847]

Vojou345 and GT had consequences and the effects of actions be a complete theme throughout

[@renatonovoa8125]

Well actually the goku black arc showed us the terror of being ruled by zeno and the difference between the gods and the mortals

[@toddstone230]

@@renatonovoa8125 I don't think we really needed the Goku Black Arc for that aspect. I think the Tournament of Power demonstrated that better with Zeno mercilessly deleting universes left and right

[@SevOneSev7en]

Man I wish that Pan turned into a Super Saiyan during the baby arc. It would've been perfect if it happened when she had to fight Goten and Gohan!

[@j.i.k2.044]

Pan and MajUub were wasted in GT

[@rifter4478]

is she even a Saiyan?

[@gobl_]

@@rifter4478 yes, she's the daughter of a half saiyan and a human, meaning she's 1/4 saiyan, her saiyan blood is the reason why the Super Saiyan God ritual was possible

[@yocapo32]

Funny thing is, it didn't happen because no one could figure out how to draw a female Super Saiyan, even after they asked Toriyama how he would do it, so they just... didn't.

[@pn2294]

Super Saiyan is useless so what would be the point

[@shisoyrown]

I'll always pick GT over Super. But it doesn't mean one is a masterpiece and the other dog shit.

[@EclipseEuclid]

I like how he didn't talk about Vegeta's characterization in GT

[@uhuh.2232]

What was it?

[@EclipseEuclid]

@@uhuh.2232 what do you mean he literally grows outside of Gokus shadow he doesn't train to be better than him. He also fights for the good of Earth He's a Saiyan, and a Proud Earthlings. A great father to Bra/Bulla. That very smooth incredibly inrestible mustache. Saiyan Scholar literally did a while video on it.

[@ALegendthateatslunchatam]

@@EclipseEuclid not to mention he still train,not to seek to surpass goku,but to know his limit

[@alexandrosandreou8585]

@@EclipseEuclid he literally becomes irrelevant

[@EclipseEuclid]

@@alexandrosandreou8585 funny joke

[@luislazotheoof]

Spoiler alert: The show with villains that steal other people's bodies and have crazy strong entities fight Goku and Vegeta in the final arc is the best show of the two.

[@luislazotheoof]

@David Loisel *totally 100% Originality there*

[@sun332s7]

I can agree with tgat

[@omnipotiscience7251]

@David Loisel Its almost like you forgot the gods shenanigans. Super would have been nothing without the gods. Goku also never won a major battle in Super. Lost against Beerus, Hit, Frieza, Goku Black, Fused Zamasu and Jiren. (Jiren actually beat him in MUI until he received the power of friendship-stinct)

[@user-pl9yq3fc8u]

@David Loisel lol

[@user-pl9yq3fc8u]

Lol

[@QuestionableLogic_]

So basically for the ending segment: Better Series Ending: Super Better Franchise Send-off: GT

[@meganinten0078]

I don't agree with Mark and you GT has the superior finale.

[@alexp6667]

Basically. Its because GT is... based on Z, while Super is based on Super.

[@ginogatash4030]

@@meganinten0078 GT is a great finale, but not for GT's merits, if the series was just GT it wouldn't be as good as it is, if at all because Goku's goodbye to his friends means nothing without DB and DBZ, as everyone but Goku and Pan do either very little or nothing at all, and all Pan does is getting into trouble for Goku to save her, even Vegeta gets left behind, his only contributions to the series being getting taken over by Baby and fusing with Goku, and while those are big moments he's just a plot device rather than a character with actual agency that shapes the story, and worst of all in my opinion, despite being one of the three main characters, at least until the final arc, Trunks is only there to drive Goku and Pan around. what I'm trying to say is that GT's finale only works if you know Dragonball already, while Super's finale serves as a good end to its own series, and even that relies on DB and Z's nostalgia though not as much.

[@MiLLz830]

GT had the best ending out of every DB series, it basically sums of everything the Z warriors went through. A chilling moment of what the future may be

[@meganinten0078]

@@ginogatash4030 I don't care of your opinions or Mark. Still, goodbye. For me Gt is better than Super

[@PurpleSkiesRF]

I feel as though the question of what series did more for its characters is too vague and can cause confusion amongst several people as many can interpret such a question in varying ways. What does that question mean? Character development? Spotlight? Interactions? Appealing visuals? I feel that it’s outright criminal that Vegeta’s character in GT wasn’t at all addressed here. His short interaction with Nappa was symbolic of his change in character from the Saiyan arc of Z up until that point. He acknowledged himself as an earthling with the pride of a Saiyan when fighting Super 17 and he himself suggested fusion with Goku in order to beat Omega, two things that Super would never do. In Super, it seems like they’re trying too hard to develop Vegeta as a character while still trying to keep him as the supposed egotistical badass that fans love. You even addressed this in your DBS Broly review when you had an issue with Vegeta being as against the idea of fusion as he was. And while your other points about characters like Pan and DBS Goku were valid, the question of who did the characters better is, like I said, too vague and should have been worded better.

[@user-so7nj3wn4g]

4:52 where did you get the name gil from? isn't giru in both the english and japanese versions?

[@MrOrcen]

I recently bought the DVD set for GT and did a rewatch, while showing it to my girlfriend as she never watched GT (She did watch DBZ and Super). While the first part was indeed painful to watch, and the action scenes felt plain, she acknowledged the writers put some good effort into the series. The whole Baby arc was great since it feels it derived from Z, and totally believable. The dark dragon saga was also great (in paper of course) because it pays off what the Elder Kai was being speaking since Z regarding the misuse of the dragon balls. And the ending made her cry, because it felt the ending the entire dragon ball franchise deserved.

[@sluggerboy9191]

Bro I am so soo soo emotional person that DBGT made me cry when goku left everyone riding the back of shanron and then they showed the whole journey of goku and it felt so emotional with dan dan kokoro emotional ssj4 theme song ir still makes me feel cry 😭

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737]

Ending sucks

[@sluggerboy9191]

@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 different people different opinions different perspectives !

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737]

Manas Thaker fair

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 and super is a shitty mess. Go ahead and insult one series. We can just insult another

[@saad2712]

I honestly came to tears when I heard the GT theme idk why

[@blueicydasani4543]

Same

[@jantheking7028]

I don't even like DBGT, but that theme is so nostalgic to me.

[@etam8099]

@@jantheking7028 that theme is just nostalgia and as a fan of GT it hurts even more...

[@mohadali5822]

@PhOnIXR7 you can't take an opinion.

[@sikoo31]

Cause it's fuckin magical

[@m.muradbasic4186]

One thing i will *ALWAYS* give GT more over Super will be the designs of the characters. In Super, you literally only had 4 and technically 6 *GREAT* designs. Fused Zamasu, Mastered Ultra Instinct, Kefla, Hit, Beerus and Whis. Whilst GT had almost countless *GREAT* designs. Goku‘s new clothes, Majin Uub, Baby, Baby Vegeta, Pan („great“ more in the sense that it fitted perfectly to her character), whilst controversal, Vegeta‘s look too because it helped establish that Vegeta gre more and more accustomed to accept that he is an Earthling now, Omega Shenlong and most of all, the Super Saiyan 4 transformations. All of these designs that i would *always* pick over anything Super has to offer.

[@JRLSpiderman]

Imo i didnt like the designs in gt that much

[@jacobwilliams1223]

Think you are going a bit too far. GT had a lot of lackluster designs and the fact something as ugly as Omega Shenron you call a "great" design says a lot.

[@JRLSpiderman]

Super baby looked kinda dumb, i thought he looked wayyy more imposing in his first form

[@m.muradbasic4186]

@@jacobwilliams1223 so you’re going to tell me that Super has better designs? With 80% being redesigns, color swaps and uninspired designs such as Jiren and Cabba?

[@m.muradbasic4186]

@@JRLSpiderman still looked better than 90% of what Super had to offer

[@571danu]

Gt had some really good concepts and I hope super continues with those ideas once it catches up to the end of Z.

[@megucameduka3037]

GT's character designs are fucking rad. Look, Omega Shenron practically RADIATES his evil aura, while Jiren looks like that one weird alien watching me sleep outside the window.

[@mikechrist9699]

idk why this guy think omega shenron design is bad lol

[@gokushkameha-ha-ha9344]

Jiren looks like the wish version of frieza 100 percent over 100 percent power

[@Aziz....]

@@gokushkameha-ha-ha9344 yeah he looks fucking bland af if you ask me

[@cypher838]

@@mikechrist9699 omega shenron looked amazing.

[@leultrainstinct406]

It wasn’t all that tbh. Just a big ass head with giant spikes on his back lol. It was better than jiren’s tho. But compare that to characters like Moro, Granolah, Merus, beerus, goku black, the angels, etc. it’s not really a contest.

[@lightningsaiyajin]

Dear Editors GIVE US THE MUSIC ALREADY BEFORE WE RIOT

[@collinrobertson4045]

The editor for TNM is a legend and needs to be immortalized forever

[@andsuku7001]

They thought we'd riot for the debating. But we want the MUSIC.

[@BullRaisedJoey]

LightningSaiyajin m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ7bc4uJramnmtE

[@jibrael5705]

@@BullRaisedJoey What the fuck is wrong with you.

[@Dominik.S.]

@@BullRaisedJoey If that's not Rick Astley...

[@asjeje]

I agree but gt ssj4 Goku and Vegeta still look amazing better then ui to me

[@godevils1982]

It was weird how weak Trunks seemed in GT

[@keanusamuels1782]

Tbh trunks in gt was slacking most of the time.

[@superboyprime940]

Better than he is in Super

[@phoebusapollo8365]

Moral of the story, he was slacking in both, especially compared to Future Trunks.

[@ultimateme3049]

@@phoebusapollo8365 but in one he 's actually a kid

[@phoebusapollo8365]

@@ultimateme3049 no he isn’t, by the Moro arc, Trunks is 14, and Future Trunks at that age looked his age

[@mcurran6505]

All those downsides of Dragon Ball GT & Super: BLAME THE WRITERS!

[@SlimShadyCypher]

M Curran Um obviously lol

[@fireflamegamer8321]

M Curran no cap they thought they could we were hooked so they started giving us bad written but I still love GT

[@gamewithadam7235]

Dragon ball GT's ending was the ending that Z should have had.

[@nbrosna1]

Agree!

[@ManniLive]

There quite similar imo

[@x.d1116]

What was the ending about.

[@juzoli]

GameWithAdam In a completely different series (Babylon 5), they thought the show is being cancelled, so they made the final closing episode. However they got one more season, so they just moved it to the end of that one. I had the same feeling here. It was recorded at the end of Z, and just moved to the GT.

[@matthew1420]

To me gt takes place after z(funi)

[@timtoons_]

W opinion on Super

[@sydneyowusu3750]

Fr

[@timtoons_]

@@sydneyowusu3750 Super is overhated imo but I can see why it gets hate

[@sydneyowusu3750]

@@timtoons_ me too

[@truthbehind8319]

dragon ball gt needs a reboot and higher budget.

[@Sydney-wi1ym]

There have been leaks from 4chan that says this