DRAGON BALL SUPER BROLY NEW 'BLIZZARD' TRAILER - ANIMATION BREAKDOWN

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AnimeAjay

AnimeAjay

5 жыл бұрын

A surprise new trailer dropped today promoting #DragonBallSuperBroly. Once again we break down who animated what, and then I address fandom drama regarding Yuya Takahashi's involvement in the film.
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@AnimeAjay
@AnimeAjay 5 жыл бұрын
UH. I meant to say TAKASHI* Hashimoto, not Shinji. Making videos in the middle of the night is a bad idea. Sorry.
@christianmarcotte4068
@christianmarcotte4068 5 жыл бұрын
AnimeAjay yeah this isn’t a square enix movie fam
@yahsworld2940
@yahsworld2940 5 жыл бұрын
It's okay, it fits well with how you look 90% of time, tired as hell, LOL.
@ricardirickydorante5894
@ricardirickydorante5894 5 жыл бұрын
I was about to say lol, when did my boi Shinji learn to draw at Square Enix lol. I thought Normura drew stuff😂
@almightyglo290
@almightyglo290 5 жыл бұрын
So u prefer the goofy SSG over serious SSG? Weird
@marconeves1979
@marconeves1979 5 жыл бұрын
I had no idea people were actually FIGHTING (arguing) about this. It all looks high quality to me in this film, so it doesn't bother me, but yes.... sometimes I DO notice differences. But I like them all, so YAY!
@DragonBallHype
@DragonBallHype 5 жыл бұрын
Goodnight Ajay
@Dan-zt7uj
@Dan-zt7uj 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Dan-zt7uj
@Dan-zt7uj 5 жыл бұрын
Lol you thought he was American all this time.
@azarelzaleta7619
@azarelzaleta7619 5 жыл бұрын
oh hey you're here lol
@stephaniesmith2115
@stephaniesmith2115 5 жыл бұрын
Goodmorning Hype
@Sebzrod78
@Sebzrod78 5 жыл бұрын
I think there are strong reasons why Takahashi was allowed to ignore the character sheets. I mean, they know audiences love his nostalgic approach and will not care if he deviates from Shintani's original ideas.
@amanofnoreputation2164
@amanofnoreputation2164 5 жыл бұрын
I remember the first time Ajay picked up on the discrepancy: He said, "...Takahashi isn't following the character sheets, but I don't think anyone in the world cares," or something like that.
@paladin3116
@paladin3116 5 жыл бұрын
I would just let him do the entire movie honestly, no one would complain lol
@thundercat123studios
@thundercat123studios 5 жыл бұрын
@@paladin3116 I would complain. There are animators that are superior to Takahashi in my opinion. Onishi, Shida, and Tate are just examples.
@paladin3116
@paladin3116 5 жыл бұрын
ThunderCat123 Studios that's cool but your in the minority
@Sebzrod78
@Sebzrod78 5 жыл бұрын
@@paladin3116 Great reply.
@TotallyNotMark
@TotallyNotMark 5 жыл бұрын
This was a fascinating video. Exceptional breakdown!
@ShootingJoeStars
@ShootingJoeStars 5 жыл бұрын
Oh My God ! It's Not Mark
@tonyhills6673
@tonyhills6673 5 жыл бұрын
Woah I read this in your voice and I threw myself off.
@tintinsimon
@tintinsimon 5 жыл бұрын
Totally Not Mark there you are!
@marflo9241
@marflo9241 3 жыл бұрын
Hi
@hihu3749
@hihu3749 3 жыл бұрын
Mark
@jinuchiha1031
@jinuchiha1031 5 жыл бұрын
3 types of art design in this movie: 1. Shintani’s design 2. Takahashi’s design 3. CGI
@TrapnestShinigami
@TrapnestShinigami 5 жыл бұрын
Oh God... watching your videos reminds me of what a professor told me when I was studying audio engineering in college. He said: _"The bad thing about studying this, is that now every time you're at a concert you're gonna notice if something is odd in the mix/audio treatment of the sound"_ Watching your stuff makes me notice things I would have never seen otherwise. That 11:24 example just made your point about Takahashi finally click in my mind and now I can't unsee it whenever the ultra shaded sections show up. I feel I'm somewhere in the middle right now, and I wanna watch the whole thing and see how scenes actually move from one to the next.
@DeanAmx
@DeanAmx 5 жыл бұрын
The more you know, the less you can enjoy it.
@jesspeed
@jesspeed 5 жыл бұрын
Dean Amx doesn’t apply to everyone. The more I know, the more I enjoy it and criticise it at the same time. Criticising something doesn’t make it less enjoyable, for me at least
@perpetualgrimace
@perpetualgrimace 5 жыл бұрын
@@DeanAmx untrue. It just becomes a different type of enjoyment.
@DeanAmx
@DeanAmx 5 жыл бұрын
@@perpetualgrimace I mean, the same enjoyment you feel when you don't know about this thing. Yes, it's different type of enjoyment.
@Dan-zt7uj
@Dan-zt7uj 5 жыл бұрын
Have a wonderful rest! And I love Takahashi's art sooo much that I don't give a fuck about consistency. All the art is great. Even Ryo Onishi! CG could've been better, but at least its better than what we got three years ago.
@Dan-zt7uj
@Dan-zt7uj 5 жыл бұрын
Ryo Onishi is my favorite DB Animator alongside Takahashi, Shida and Ide
@Mike09legacy
@Mike09legacy 5 жыл бұрын
It's scary how good Takahashi is.
@danielz-v4083
@danielz-v4083 5 жыл бұрын
Michael it’s actually crazy when you realize he is one of the youngest and busiest of the damn staff
@anlexaify
@anlexaify 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielz-v4083 ikr
@parsaleatherworks
@parsaleatherworks 5 жыл бұрын
While the animation is definitely inconsistent at times between Takahashi, Shida, etc. I think it adds character and nostalgia to each scene. It's very similar to the Cell Saga. There were many different scenes in one episode done by multiple animators and although it made it inconsistent, you knew when the animation changed something crazy awesome was about to happen. But that's just my opinion haha.
@brando3424
@brando3424 5 жыл бұрын
Majin Parsa I agree
@azarelzaleta7619
@azarelzaleta7619 5 жыл бұрын
I actually see it that way
@mugshotmarley
@mugshotmarley 5 жыл бұрын
100%. As a kid in the 90s I realized the same in dbz, but thought it was weird since I never knew that it was different studios or animators back then. I unconsciously had fav styles which fed my interest in dbz. Id buy only certain posters, promo art and movies because of a certain artwork. Little did I know, but all of us had the same interest and dislikes in animation.
@paladin3116
@paladin3116 5 жыл бұрын
Wish takahashi did the entire film lol I love how all his character designs are based of DBZ
@jasonone8726
@jasonone8726 5 жыл бұрын
I really don't care at all if the art looks inconsistent, as long as it looks good, we should be happy.
@unaisibrahim1393
@unaisibrahim1393 5 жыл бұрын
remember me in the tsunami of comments.....
@DogratDavis
@DogratDavis 5 жыл бұрын
I personally enjoy the stylistic shifts between animators in this movie. It's not stark enough to break my immersion but its noticeable enough to slightly change the atmosphere between scenes Very happy with this approach
@redshift6251
@redshift6251 5 жыл бұрын
I have no problem with Takahashi being completely uncorrected. Every frame that showcases his art & animation is a treat. The 'flow' of the animation doesn't bother me, just like it didn't bother me between cuts/sections when animators & supervisors changed in episodes of DBZ/DBS. I definitely notice this stuff, especially after watching these videos for the last year.. But it just doesn't bother me one bit.
@walterclements9019
@walterclements9019 5 жыл бұрын
The stylistic inconsistencies remind me of opm, which looked fantastic, so it probably won't bother me.
@BrayanPua
@BrayanPua 5 жыл бұрын
100% agreement
@blarp7948
@blarp7948 5 жыл бұрын
In regards to Takahashi, I completely get the worries about his style not fitting, and I agree, but I personally don’t really care if it does or not. I absolutely love the styles of almost every animator on this production and I would sacrifice my immersion just to see all of them demonstrate their best work and unique approaches. One of my favourite parts of the dragon ball manga is that Toriyama’s style shifts depending on the subject matter, and if they can continue to do that in a form as condensed as one film, this new era of dragon ball will certainly turn out to be a great one.
@Kobalt_Rax_the_one
@Kobalt_Rax_the_one 5 жыл бұрын
So you want for super to continue as movies ? that would be cool but i don't know , a movie of this quality is expensive . I would love multi part movies but again too much money would be needed , it will most likely continue with tv format but hopefully with all the money they will earn with this movie ( and i assume this movie will make a ton of money ) that we can get a quality in art , animation , story etc more closer to the movie especially in the art and animation , they could go the seasonal route too , like that it can have a bigger quality and consistency . They do seems to have a bigger production value as they have now a team made specifically only for db etc , so the future might be bright indeed .
@blarp7948
@blarp7948 5 жыл бұрын
Alexandru Timofte well what I really meant was that if we can get a movie filled with all these different styles, that hopefully whatever comes next (be it more movies, the show continuing, or even a new show altogether), they’ll be more open to letting animators take their own approaches. I do think a seasonal show would be pretty cool, as the main thing bogging down Super wasn’t really it’s budget, but it’s constricted schedule. I’m sure the break will have opened that up a bit, but doing it seasonally could help the quality even further.
@slifer875
@slifer875 5 жыл бұрын
@@blarp7948 i wish dragon ball super was 26 episodes every 2 years instead of over a 100, the manga is over there is no need for more dragon ball, BOG was a nice anniversary thing but ever since ROF i hate how TOEI just milks the franchise regardless if it is hurting it, if it was 26 episodes i don't see how takahashi style would be a problem if he becomes the character designer.
@Kobalt_Rax_the_one
@Kobalt_Rax_the_one 5 жыл бұрын
@@blarp7948 Yea i get you. Either way , now it seems so far they have learned , so maybe trully great things will come in the near future, if they can keep it up just like with this movie , even more so if possible then it will be great .
@GeteMachine
@GeteMachine 5 жыл бұрын
This is not an episodic project. If this were, then you could say different styles would be there to show off, but this is a single movie taking place over one event. All the artwork contrasting each other like that does not make it work. Most professional animators for movies would tell you thats the exact opposite of what transition and fluidity should be based on.
@gtafan110010
@gtafan110010 5 жыл бұрын
The more takahashi the better i say! I love the buu arc designs sooo yeah :D screw consistency. If the movie animation in general is a 8/10 then takahashi going the extra mile with the buu art makes his portions a 10/10
@isnipeppl8207
@isnipeppl8207 5 жыл бұрын
Opinion
@gtafan110010
@gtafan110010 5 жыл бұрын
@@isnipeppl8207 You don't say, what a revelation that is. Indeed, people do have opinions.
@Mike09legacy
@Mike09legacy 5 жыл бұрын
@@isnipeppl8207 Yes, he stated his opinion in a topic in which there is no facts. What exactly is your point?
@akasakasad6271
@akasakasad6271 5 жыл бұрын
@@isnipeppl8207 your point???
@paladin3116
@paladin3116 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, I don't care about the minority snowflakes that's like the goofy looking super style
@abdullahfarooq600
@abdullahfarooq600 5 жыл бұрын
I love takahashis art more
@Sebzrod78
@Sebzrod78 5 жыл бұрын
Ajay has an almost supernatural ability to tell these animators apart. Wow.
@Awesometrippylow
@Awesometrippylow 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone’s favourite DBtuber blesses us with yet another upload. Keep up the good work you amazing bloke
@BrandonHanners
@BrandonHanners 5 жыл бұрын
I'll take inconsistent good art over consistent bad art
@PhyFK8
@PhyFK8 5 жыл бұрын
I love takahashi being able to bring his style uncorrected. I don’t have an issue with the consistency because I don’t think any one’s change is jarring or offensive from what I’ve seen, and I love seeing everyone’s different style come out to shine
@Alaqeam
@Alaqeam 5 жыл бұрын
Consistency in style is a legitimate and valid criticism for animation. I hope people understand that this doesn't automatically make Takahashi or anyone on the staff a bad artist. Why this concern is considered 'elitist' is beyond me. But hey, it's easy to toss around a fancy buzzword instead of engaging in productive discussion :^)
@ldane5872
@ldane5872 5 жыл бұрын
Have to admit, because of this video: it's made me kinda question takashi, fit.
@Alaqeam
@Alaqeam 5 жыл бұрын
@@ldane5872 For me personally he's a shoe-in. The nagging artist side of me wishes his art followed the model sheets to a T, but his inclusion is good.
@GeteMachine
@GeteMachine 5 жыл бұрын
People seem to think they need to justify an artist in reaction to casual criticism like this, just because they like him - rather than seeing it objectively. I honestly don't dislike Takahashi but I don't feel his art style fits with the intended artstyle for the movie. His work is more dated toward the older Yamamuro era to me. My concerns is just wanting to see Shintani's work preserved and emphasize a new look to the series. The talk about the inconsistency being 'nostalgic' for some people or it looking 'awesome' because of its (unnecessary) detail, does not warrant it to me. If people will harp on model inconsistency when its bad, its hypocritical to defend it when its (to them) good.
@GeteMachine
@GeteMachine 5 жыл бұрын
@@Alaqeam Agreed. Honestly from my experience watching non-Toei anime inconsistency really isnt as prevalent as it is in other shows which is why it irks me a bit to see how scrambled DB still looks. There really isn't an excuse for this when most of the other actual DB movies were usually much more consistent. Especially the later ones. I don't see where people come from where they just thinks cool for the sake of it or just because it was Takahashi. People need to accept that, someone you like in field are not flaw or faultless to a product's value as a whole if there is an issue.
@aredblip1315
@aredblip1315 5 жыл бұрын
Takahashi is great but it's nice to some more love for our boi Ryo Onishi. My *God* the character acting on that SSG transformation! He's going to animate a _lot_ of fight scenes with amazing movements! Just like One Piece Film Z, he'll probably have the highest number of top quality cuts on the booru for this film compared to the other animators.
@kalpek6913
@kalpek6913 5 жыл бұрын
i know it isn’t really big but thank you for not spoiling certain shots, i can’t really look at many other youtubers purely because of spoilers.
@drakes-vevo3600
@drakes-vevo3600 5 жыл бұрын
Have u seen gogeta blue ?
@hute6fxnj2t1pjp7
@hute6fxnj2t1pjp7 5 жыл бұрын
I think Takahashi knows how people work. Think about it, what DBZ scenes do you remember more? a big narrative scene with Masaki Sato, Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Shida, Old Yamamuro, Kanno art, etc. or do you like the standard Naoki Tate art/random on model animator from that era?... Artwork leaves stronger memorable feelings if handled perfectly in terms of balance(artwork and movement/animation). So, I think about Takahashi as a guy who is doing/replacing Sato, Yamamuro and all of those guys from the old era that did such famous scenes we all know(SSJ Goku, Trunks killing Frieza, Vegeta and his Final Flash vs Cell, Gohan SSJ2, Kid Buu vs SSJ3 Goku, Raditz vs Picolo and Goku, etc). I feel like he is trying to overcome time with his scenes, channeling what older scenes had.
@italianchef5145
@italianchef5145 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been following you for a while and even met you at Kamehacon (I was in the front row in your presentation). I love how you explained the reason why you critique animation. I watch your videos because you’ve given me such a deeper appreciation for the show being able to understand the animation. Well done 👏🏼
@DamianQualshy
@DamianQualshy 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see entire movie in Takahashi style. But dreams never come true.
@memeSSJG
@memeSSJG 5 жыл бұрын
#SaveTakaHashi he don't deserve this criticism
@shzammpatapon9865
@shzammpatapon9865 5 жыл бұрын
I cannot agree, it would be jarring to see his artwork. I love the base Vegeta and Goku mugshot with minimal shading but still sharp lien but the god form is too much jarring to the eyes
@koumusic2600
@koumusic2600 5 жыл бұрын
Nor Azam I understand your opinion. I have a different view but let’s all hope for the best ✌🏼👍🏼
@jesspeed
@jesspeed 5 жыл бұрын
What do you mean it doesn’t deserve criticism. Everything deserves criticism as long as it’s logical and fair. And that my friend is a fair concern. We’ll just have to wait and see how it flows in the movie.
@memeSSJG
@memeSSJG 5 жыл бұрын
@@jesspeed people have said that he's "ruined super" when he obviously haven't.
@memeSSJG
@memeSSJG 5 жыл бұрын
@@shzammpatapon9865 so because you don't like the way one scene looks then oh well but people act like he's all of a sudden a burden on the production when it's obviously the opposite
@thecake6635
@thecake6635 5 жыл бұрын
Umm Ajay...this is pretty much what Shintani wanted,for the animators to have creative freedom
@Stephenguitar93
@Stephenguitar93 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna say something in defense of my opinion which is similar to Ajay's but you, sir, terrify me.
@thecake6635
@thecake6635 5 жыл бұрын
@@Stephenguitar93 :D
@koumusic2600
@koumusic2600 5 жыл бұрын
Stephen Adams Yeah I’m spooked also 😬
@RyZak23
@RyZak23 5 жыл бұрын
...what IS he... 0_o
@kevinsteelflex7371
@kevinsteelflex7371 5 жыл бұрын
@@RyZak23 god
@heinewittgenstein3957
@heinewittgenstein3957 5 жыл бұрын
Have fun at Japan, Ajay.
@WillzMaster85
@WillzMaster85 5 жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Thanks for introducing me to animation more and how much work it takes to give us a good anime show.
@zahed5556
@zahed5556 5 жыл бұрын
Takahashi unleashed
@1Albertm14
@1Albertm14 5 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! So glad you made this I watch all your vids started since tournament of power
@giovanimans4ni
@giovanimans4ni 5 жыл бұрын
Does it not Matter! Takahashi has full freedom to do his job, and fits perfectly with Dragon Ball Super Broly movie.
@yahsworld2940
@yahsworld2940 5 жыл бұрын
As a Dragonball fan, I'm use to the style changes and it doesn't bother me. I remember watching the 1 1/2 to 2 hr fights in the climax of each arc and every episode in it had their own style. It would go from super detailed to super simplistic over the course of 20 minutes. So, it's nothing new to be honest. This movie will just be like a season climax to me in viewing
@SuperPenguinCereal
@SuperPenguinCereal 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, this is the kind of discussion we need.
@adarus9941
@adarus9941 5 жыл бұрын
The only three animators I can ever identify are Tate, Takahashi, and Shida.
@Tomokose
@Tomokose 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Ajay amazing stuff as always. You just keep making me want to know more about animation the more you talk about it.
@JuanRamirez-nz6rs
@JuanRamirez-nz6rs 5 жыл бұрын
Ajay, you madman, you actually upload a video about this. I am amazed by your effort to put out videos building up my hype for the movie! Yay for Ajay! 😁
@aryaanparwez9909
@aryaanparwez9909 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ajay, because of you , I can admire and understand all the hardwork behind an animation. You've taught a lot
@25Dzone
@25Dzone 5 жыл бұрын
First video of yours I've checked out and I have got to subscribe. Always heard great things about your work from various other Dragon Ball youtubers in particular but the points you made, how you edited this video (SO quickly, might I add) and how interesting you make animation in general - is freaking awesome. Love hearing / learning from someone who's clearly passionate and knows his stuff about a topic that I also enjoy. Time to binge watch your videos! :D
@JoJoTalksTooMuch
@JoJoTalksTooMuch 5 жыл бұрын
This really cemented you as one of my favorite creators in the Dragon Ball community, truly. I'm of the mind that the film will be able to balance the art shifts, but I also 100% see where you're coming from here. I'm also really glad to hear you bring up subjectivity, and difference of opinion, it's sadly rare to see creators who are willing to admit their views on things aren't objective truths.
@callion753
@callion753 5 жыл бұрын
The animation is out of this world
@DailyHub_77
@DailyHub_77 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos man, keep it going 🤙🏼
@normal_2956
@normal_2956 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see more videos from you Ajay, keep it up. Can’t wait for the full version breakdown of the movie but that’s way later.
@wrestlingphenom8
@wrestlingphenom8 5 жыл бұрын
Since I started watching your videos back before we knew Super was ending; my eyes have been opened to a whole new community that’s within my favorite show and genre of shows. Yeah I notice differences more, but I appreciate the show as a whole a lot more. Gaining more knowledge about my favorite show, that’s applicable across many other shows (anime specifically) is amazing and allows me to truly appreciate all of it even more!!
@noelrodriguez6625
@noelrodriguez6625 5 жыл бұрын
I'm completely behind your approach to talking about this issue of consistency. And the fact that you initiate productive conversation and respect for other people's opinions. Thanks Ajay 🤙👍
@BGAnime
@BGAnime 5 жыл бұрын
Very happy you made this this needs to be seen
@sprydude24
@sprydude24 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ajay, very cool!
@elizagoseyun1694
@elizagoseyun1694 5 жыл бұрын
I love this and the art style. In the end it's going to kick ass!
@joshceojw
@joshceojw 5 жыл бұрын
You are one of the best youtubers in the anime community right now , one thing I like about takhasi design tho is it add flavor and power to theses characters when introduce for example when broly jumped in to his yellow eye form, takahashi shading and buu arc style made the form 10x more intense and really emphasize it while I feel as if that was drawn with the shintani style it wouldn’t have as much of an affect. The deviation in art style , makes these moment stand out from the rest of the film which for me in my opinion is a great touch.
@communityEsc
@communityEsc 5 жыл бұрын
I think that people do notice the change from Takahashi to other animators as it’s nostaglic, but they won’t care. I’ve noticed that from reaction videos/comments people are talking about how they wish the entire film looked like old Z like in some of the cuts in the trailer(s) (they don’t know Takahashi by name, of course).
@WillzMaster85
@WillzMaster85 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Even tho I am more familar with the takahashi work, the shintani (hope im getting his name right, sorry in new to t his channel and thus new to the various animators on this show) does gives the movie and series a fresh face so to speak. Simplicity is key, and the more simplistic and rounded out take on the animations looks better to me than the boxier animation of takahashi. But im personally loving the cgi aspect of the . movie. If done correctly (i hope), it will make the movie much more modern and epic.
@awesomereviews1561
@awesomereviews1561 5 жыл бұрын
Takahashi all day, everyday for me! But I get the other side of the arguments.
@2f4uReActiON
@2f4uReActiON 5 жыл бұрын
great video as always
@dalecochrane554
@dalecochrane554 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for not spoiling @AnimeAjay. first time spoiler free as i'm sure are many
@MrFatLipx
@MrFatLipx 5 жыл бұрын
There's no doubt in my mind that Takahashi's popularity is what allowed him to get away with this. I'd bet money that Toei actively made sure he was not corrected away for the sake of marketability. And hey, I'm part of the camp that doesn't really mind, so it works for me.
@solaranimations9062
@solaranimations9062 5 жыл бұрын
After coming home from a long day of school exams, this is really what I needed. Thank you Ajay.
@ArchThaBoss
@ArchThaBoss 5 жыл бұрын
This video is excellent. I learn more and more from you
@ricardirickydorante5894
@ricardirickydorante5894 5 жыл бұрын
Well spoken Ajay, you handled the debate with some real class.
@CarthusDojo
@CarthusDojo 5 жыл бұрын
There is a LOT of heavy Takahashi art in this music video. While I think it looks good, I also think the consistency will be an issue to some degree. This issue, however, seems to stem from someone above the movie, perhaps Toei themselves. Today on Twitter Takahashi released a wonderful sketch of Super Saiyan Goku and it brings his work in line seamlessly with the new designs. I really believe there was an external pressure to have Takahashi draw the 90s Yamamuro style in this movie, rather than him choosing to do so.
@kitarokun6564
@kitarokun6564 5 жыл бұрын
I doubt it
@superexclusive452
@superexclusive452 5 жыл бұрын
I highly doubt people are gonna pay attention to this while watching the movie. Matter of fact 99% guarantee it won’t be an issue. I’d be more upset if the models looked way off like it sometimes did in DBS
@alexisbetancourt8201
@alexisbetancourt8201 5 жыл бұрын
Link me the sketch i wanna save it
@koumusic2600
@koumusic2600 5 жыл бұрын
What is Takahashi’s twitter?
@koumusic2600
@koumusic2600 5 жыл бұрын
TL Thank you.
@koumusic2600
@koumusic2600 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Have a good time at Japan Ajay! Much love!
@mohammedfarhan9137
@mohammedfarhan9137 5 жыл бұрын
Woah! Ajay's video at this time. Thanks!
@geekgaming1588
@geekgaming1588 5 жыл бұрын
An excellent breakdown as always Ajay. I'm extremely excited to hear your take on the full movie breakdown coming soon! The Takahashi debate is an interesting one as well. I'm torn as his style is the look I grew up with during the height on DBZ fandom in the US. Though I understand wanting the film to feel cohesive and not be quite so jarring during animator transitions. I'll save my final judgement once I've seen the film in theatres in January!
@Deuce1042
@Deuce1042 5 жыл бұрын
I don't care about visual consistency if it looks good.
@rasamasala
@rasamasala 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ajay, just wanna say thanks for making this vid! You're perspective on these things are gold! I literally deleted my comment early cause i was talking about my concerns on the consistency, but you got that covered haha. Anyways, i guess at the end of the day, whether we like the huge contrasting styles or not, we just have to trust the heads that worked on this movie.
@DBK_Productions
@DBK_Productions 5 жыл бұрын
BLESS U AJAY
@rbo7
@rbo7 5 жыл бұрын
First thing I did after seeing the trailer, went straight to ajays channel to see the breakdown. But was depressed when it wasn't up. Now I feel better.
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 5 жыл бұрын
You made some excellent and valid points Ajay, still I really don't mind the inconsistency. Yeah it's noticable, but it really doesn't take me out if the film, in fact it makes me that more engaged. Each scene from Takahashi's shading to the CG is absolutely gorgeous that it makes it all the more enjoyable to watch, Especially when it's on the big screen. They way I see it, Takahashi's designs are more like a retro look of the Buu Era
@PKWinning07
@PKWinning07 5 жыл бұрын
Takahashi's Buu Saga designs is what DB is supposed to look like in my head so that overtakes consistentcy by a mile for me
@DBK_Productions
@DBK_Productions 5 жыл бұрын
IM SO HAPPY RN THE TRAILER LOOKS SO BADASS 😫😫😫😫
@hamacris4424
@hamacris4424 5 жыл бұрын
As always u're the best.
@0x0x0xWIP
@0x0x0xWIP 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I was pointed to your channel by an old co-worker. AMAZING and well done breakdowns. (I can't say how much I enjoy your professionalism and insight. (It's like a more educated narrator is reading my thoughts.) BUT, I'm unfamiliar with the animators, and I think a lot of others are too. (After all, we old dudes haven't taken DB seriously since way back in Z.) Could you make an image, or chart perhaps, that shows each animators style for each character? I think it would be great for people like me to start with research on the artists, but more importantly, the kids just getting into anime and DB for the first time. (After all, I became an artist in the game industry because of this show.) Thanks for your time and consideration.
@ImAlexGoodwin
@ImAlexGoodwin 5 жыл бұрын
You'd have to do some *real* digging, but Ajay posted that graph with all the styles from the Supervisors on Super on Twitter. There are a bunch more you can find too that include various points in Dragon Ball Z (saiyan, frieza, cell, etc.). Also you should check out ( www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=dragon_ball_series+ ) It's this database for competent or creative animation, and the Dragon Ball series has a ton of entries to check out. Most of the scenes are credited to the proper animators too, so you won't need to worry about playing detective (yet). Just remember that whenever you want to search something to use "_" in replace of a space or else the search won't come up properly. I hope this helps!
@zahed5556
@zahed5556 5 жыл бұрын
Takahashi is deviating from the designs? The designs are deviating from Takahashi . That's what it feels like to me
@adarus9941
@adarus9941 5 жыл бұрын
KS ZD I wouldn’t complain if they stuck with Buu Arc style designs from now on, best art style to me in all of DB, however, I think they should keep it with this less shaded art style to really give animators a chance to be loose and free with the animation at the same time, it would be the perfect mix.
@zahed5556
@zahed5556 5 жыл бұрын
@@adarus9941 this movie's animation would be perfect as a TV show. But the reason why this movie feels special is because of the animation. I'm not sure if I would like this as much if it was a TV show
@adarus9941
@adarus9941 5 жыл бұрын
KS ZD Obviously not given they won’t be given much time compared to a movie, but I mean in the sense that this style is looser and has less shading, thus avoiding a possibility of stiff animation and making things much more smoother in movement.
@jesspeed
@jesspeed 5 жыл бұрын
James except that by going full details, you do lose something special that only minimalistic styles will give you. You can give a loose style animator plenty of time and he’s still not going to fill their character art with details. More art details doesn’t make it better art. For me, I prefer minimalistic art over detailed art with tons of shading on it. Let’s use OP for example. I love Tate’s and the minimalistic character design from the pre time skip more than Ichikawa, though I still like Ichikawa’s detailed approach.
@jesspeed
@jesspeed 5 жыл бұрын
James it does work. Ryou Onishi already proved that in the trailers. His work looks amazing in the trailer while respecting Shintani’s design. Multi tone shading never was the only way to make something look gritty and violent. Other shows like Mob Psycho and My Hero Academia are also examples of shows that doesn’t have fully detailed character designs and makes the show look gritty as hell. The level of freedom given to animators because of that style is surreal specially people like Yutaka Nakamura
@dalecochrane554
@dalecochrane554 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for not spoiling @animeajay. first time spoiler free as i'm sure a lot of others are
@BlackSalamander439
@BlackSalamander439 5 жыл бұрын
I don't really mind it that much as long as the characters look like they are supposed to look like and the change isn't jarring e.g. Goku going from his cartoony slice of life look to a battle-ready Takahashi look in one scene. I like when animators have absolute freedom, that way we can see them do their best.
@wilmerarturoquispemedrano4591
@wilmerarturoquispemedrano4591 5 жыл бұрын
excellent work.
@Shayed07121997
@Shayed07121997 5 жыл бұрын
love this channel.
@watchmaker1779
@watchmaker1779 5 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for nearly 6 hours
@batguy39
@batguy39 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the way Goku went from SSJ to SSG I mean, look at that swing tho😍 And SSG Vegeta looking clean af💙💙💙
@dragonballsbest4241
@dragonballsbest4241 5 жыл бұрын
What you said about a lot of people having a small concern being perceived as people making huge complaints applies to everything on Twitter
@AntHillTiger
@AntHillTiger 5 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. It's funny because I definitely did not have the eye or knowledge about different animators until finding your channel. I always just looked at the differences within an episode or throughout scenes were due to budget or time issues rather than someone totally different animating or drawing certain parts of a scene. Either that or simply chalking up scenes that I thought were poorly rendered as "a product of it being a very old and outdated show." Now that I have (a very novice understanding) of the differences of each animator, I have to admit that the scenes that switch animators or even hand-drawn to CGI cuts, are a little bit jarring. I don't think it'll go so far as to ruin anything for me --- because come on guys, it's 2018 and DB is back in a BIG way -- but it will be fun to watch at a deeper, more nuanced level.
@rooklunary790
@rooklunary790 5 жыл бұрын
I feel as though Takahashi's style is great for highlighting really intense moments or motions, but should be dialed back a bit overall since it clashes quite a bit with the other segments. The sharpness of it makes me think of an exclamation point among a bunch of periods and commas compared to the overall softer art style of the film, great for those high tension moments. When you have it in your face for more then that it's uncomfortable because of the visual dissonance. This most likely won't be a problem for the younger and those apathetic to this kind of conversation, but those of us who analyze animation or are artists themselves this can make the movie a rough watch if they don't take care with the structure like you mentioned. Anyways, this was another great video. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work! :D
@Gboythunda
@Gboythunda 5 жыл бұрын
I think the heavy shading brings about a more dramatic expression. Can't wait
@KamiAnimeS1
@KamiAnimeS1 5 жыл бұрын
I love the shading from Takahashi
@erick-pj4yv
@erick-pj4yv 5 жыл бұрын
Great video
@xenophagia
@xenophagia 5 жыл бұрын
I think the minor stylistic inconsistencies between animators on Broly makes it more interesting and brings more life and character to the movie. Also the cgi and realistic explosion look epic in this case. This movie is going to be a visual feast. I've been watching the video for "Blizzard" over and over again lol.
@KenofLyoko4
@KenofLyoko4 5 жыл бұрын
I am glad that Toei is aware of how popular Takahashi is as animator & trusted him with what is a huge part of this film. Shintani’s designs are definitely the cause of this nolstagic approach to Dragon Ball, but Takahashi really brings it home with paying homage to Dragon Ball Z in his style. Personally, I don’t care about his style not being consistent with the other animators; the man could do a film on his own.
@spartaninthebox9101
@spartaninthebox9101 5 жыл бұрын
I totally understand the standpoint of wanting more visual consistency, especially since this film is setting the bar much higher, in terms of the quality of the production. While I don't disagree with seeing this as a problem, I do find myself not caring much. This movie is going to be a smorgasbord of talented animators producing some truly astonishing work, and I'm just excited for whatever crazy imagery they throw my way. I love these new designs, but I also love Takahashi's old school approach, and I really want to see both highlighted on the big screen. Having that visual consistency is important, but it's also pretty clear at this point that it's not going to happen to the degree it probably should in this movie. Which is why I'm just going to enjoy it as a visual feast for my eyeballs, and not sweat it too much. If it's like suuuuper jarring, my opinion might change a bit, but as it stands I'll enjoy it for what it is and hope they take this more into consideration in the next movie. Oh, and I really appreciated how you handled this topic. When I saw you were going to do this on Twitter, I was a little worried how this was going to be addressed. But this came out super respectful and completely understandable, excellent work. Side note, I've quite liked what I've seen of Onishi so far, but I have to admit, I didn't really pay attention to him in Super. I think he'll have a much better time of standing out, now that he isn't working with garbage designs.
@ImAlexGoodwin
@ImAlexGoodwin 5 жыл бұрын
You should definitely check out his work on sakugabooru. He's a stupidly good animator and arguably the best at Toei.
@spartaninthebox9101
@spartaninthebox9101 5 жыл бұрын
@@ImAlexGoodwin Noted, I'll check that out, and I'll definitely be keeping my eyes peeled for him going forward.
@MrFatLipx
@MrFatLipx 5 жыл бұрын
That point you brought up about how it is all sequenced in the film is key here. This could easily work if there are large stretches of Takahashi and Onishi separately. The problem will only arise if they trade off every other shot and share the spotlight at the same time. THAT is when I could understand someone being annoyed.
@OMGitsScott
@OMGitsScott 5 жыл бұрын
Can you post where that character chart highlighting different animators was found? I would love to see more of that.
@thunderdevil9176
@thunderdevil9176 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Personally I don't mind style inconsistencies, but I do get the point. Also can't wait to see the movie🍿
@firestarsantos7467
@firestarsantos7467 5 жыл бұрын
This video was very well crafted especially the Takahashi portion mostly because I didn't know there was drama about that at all. I for one don't really care has longest I'm starring at something incredibly appeling and animated to perfection.
@impactframes3016
@impactframes3016 5 жыл бұрын
*Patiently waits for Ajay's analysis of the Gogeta trailer*
@TehCorebear
@TehCorebear 5 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree that consistency is an issue and should definitely be criticized but the reality of the situation is that a good 90%, if not more, of the Dragon Ball fan base that is going to watch this movie will either 1. Not notice the inconsistency in the art style or 2. Notice it but not care because overall the movie looks fantastic. its definitely something that can be talked about but it is in no way an issue that is going to weigh down the movie or turn people away.
@BrayanPua
@BrayanPua 5 жыл бұрын
3. Notice it. But not care because the Takahashi's style is preferred by the fandom
@FCBrock101
@FCBrock101 5 жыл бұрын
TehCorebear Criticizing my a** it looks good so screw it
@MilkmanOfMiami
@MilkmanOfMiami 5 жыл бұрын
I only have one question about the music video: Why were there 8 beams of light when Shenron leaves and the Dragon Balls split up instead of 7 like usual?
@bobsmith8405
@bobsmith8405 5 жыл бұрын
Although off topic, these dokkan battle attack animations have becoming increasingly better over time and the new rose that just came has one of if not the best looking attacks in the entire game so far, I wish we could know who makes these.
@TJBPlays
@TJBPlays 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see Takahashi's animation I get the biggest smile on my face. His vision of dragonball is what I also like to see. I love the other animators and their art style but takahashi just hits it right. His art is dragonball to so the more of it then the merrier for myself but I can completely understand where yourself and others are coming from.
@WhatiFRacing
@WhatiFRacing 5 жыл бұрын
CGI scenes are my big concern. other then that im pretty happy with the normal 2D art.
@Gary-Lazer-Eyes
@Gary-Lazer-Eyes 5 жыл бұрын
I like the intense shading way more I think it makes the picture look way more crisp and detailed
@blackenfist
@blackenfist 5 жыл бұрын
I have my reservations with the different art styles in this film but I will have to reserve final judgement until I see the the whole movie. I find the realistic 3D effects alot more jarring and it was something that instantly popped out at me in this new trailer. Ultimately for me if effects or art styles are to jarring of a change it ruins my immersion in the movie which is the real problem with visual inconsistency. Personally for me it is much easier for poorly implemented CG to do this than different art styles.
@FazeTsu
@FazeTsu 5 жыл бұрын
Blackenfist ahhhhhh man I miss your videos, old time time fan
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