Remote Management Workflow Infuriates Dragons | Dragons' Den

Antrim-based Rule of Crumb offers a wide range of gluten-free items through wholesalers, retail outlets, and its delivery service. Business duo Colum McLornan and Claire Hunter are seeking £60,000 in return for a 15% equity stake but what happens if the offer on the table isn't good enough?
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[@donramanayake1505]

If the show is about rich people due to their money abusing contestants, I'd rather not watch. This is disgusting - Deborah didn't even deign to acknowledge the apology. Even when it was proffered after all the deals were done and the show had ended. Touker owns multiple businesses, but in an effort to show that the contestant cannot own more than one, portrays a man who runs hotel as lazy. Nick has no idea what he's talking about in relation to a medical disorder, is corrected, and is so insecure about his intelligence that he calls a piece of bread rank, while he continues eating it :). Money does not buy class.

[@IncomeBoost42]

Touker was upset with remote work as he couldn't sell his office space.

[@aziris7257]

Frankly, if an investor offered an office space on the upscale part of manhattan free of rent for 12 months, I would've refused too. Felt like I'm being trapped to spend money on an office space I don't need. Sure, the first 12 months would be free, but what after that? If I move out, what about my kliens who are already used to that location? If I move out, would that offend Touker, my biggest supporter?

[@pyramidschema8668]

@@aziris7257 I agree, you never want your landlord to own 30% of your company.

[@Black.Sabbath]

Literally.

[@chrisbevis7725]

Haha yeah that's it. But I find him hilarious!

[@MakingEndsMeet_JudysStopNShop]

😂😂

[@knuckalar]

Deborah is usually one of the better dragons but acted like a spoilt child in this

[@sheslying7117]

That's a standard move for her

[@olyjfitness]

They all have huge egos which is strange for seeming business people you wd think they see opportunities not personal issues

[@aftabmohammedify]

Oh so poor from Deborah . The lady certainly didn't mean that. I feel sorry for her.

[@MrZeldion]

Honestly Deborah should have just said she had changed her mind rather than pin the blame on a very reasonable and sensible suggestion. Poor woman I hope she doesn't feel guilt

[@ghamandlupin]

No she didn't. It's thousands of pounds of her own money ffs. You'd act the same.

[@thenamesgould]

Nick Jenkins: "That is absolutely horrible!" (Continues eating)

[@sammuddel7751]

Lmao

[@phil8145]

Hahahaha

[@ahmadshamseen2187]

The comment deserves an oscar 🤣

[@AlexanderJordan-sv7nm]

Editors don’t always put things in the right order

[@stuartbroad227]

Hhhh

[@exhibitD79]

Every time Touker says ''I'm out'' he immediately looks at the other Dragons for validation of his performance.

[@hommefataltaemin]

I’ve noticed this as well! He’s a weird dude. He always looks around smugly and if any dragon ever says even the smallest thing against him, he looks flabbergasted 😂

[@Bradderz407]

Could be the editing, a lot goes on we don’t see

[@onlyme219]

With a wink

[@lols5509]

I agree he is very SMUG ! He builds there confidence an puts them down !

[@sew_gal7340]

Touker is very very stereotypical Asian/Arab uncle, it's an eastern thing...i know exactly what hes thinking and why he does what he does because i grew up in a huge family with many uncles and they all act like that. It's very hilarious at times but it is indeed an ego/arrogant thing but all in good fun and they are all good people at heart. They just have a thing they wear on their sleeves and express themselves that way, its very much cultural just like politeness is a cultural british thing

[@Raylzway]

Deborah regretted making her offer and used it as a way out. Thought her tantrum was pretty rude.

[@fefeeffefeff8237]

weird statement from Deborah, that's the whole point of the show, lost a lot of respect. she wants people to take the first offer given and not listen to any other dragon?

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

​@@fefeeffefeff8237 @Raylz That wasn't the case, it was because the entrepreneur was using Deborah as leverage to get Sarah interested in the deal, it was disrespectful af. Don't get me wrong, there has been times when Deb and Peter have both had tantrums at listening to other offers but this was not that.

[@neonwired4978]

@@PhilosophyofElivagar and then she tried to claim she didn't intend it which was just a complete lie as it was pretty clear what she was saying.

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

@@neonwired4978 exactly, lot of people missing the point

[@khalidazhar101]

Exactly

[@one4all126]

Entrepreneur: It can be run [remotely] from anywhere.. Touker: Oh really?! Me 2021: They have great foresight...

[@commanderkeen3787]

Touker doesn't get out of bed for remote run businesses

[@justanotherviewer4821]

@@commanderkeen3787 He has office space available...

[@tobiasgoldman]

Exactly, and what is he himself doing with all of. The businesses he is invested in? Hands-on yeah?

[@basharstats4482]

@@tobiasgoldman he is an angel investor who invests in ppl who commits 100% of their time in managing the business he is investing. plus he has a very good management team who collaborates with the entrepreneurs he invests in. there is a huge difference between angel investors and small entrepreneurs. two very different business models. Also Angel Investors r just like banks. But banks invest in businesses while angel investors invest in people.

[@EnglishLawyer]

@@commanderkeen3787 I doubt if he even gets out of bed other than to take a leak! Lol

[@p.v.7269]

Deborah sure was acting like a child over here. It's their business and they have every right to ask if they can bring 2 dragons on board instead of one. Being THAT offended that she was asked to share with another dragon who's more qualified in that industry than she is, is just ridiculous. She's too damn old to be behaving like that.

[@susanwaugh3885]

I couldn’t agree more and Sarah agreeing with Deborah just made me cringe. I’m like Sarah don’t agree with her, throw it back at her that she had the hump because madam wasn’t no 1, and clearly they had their sights firmly on Sarah with her experience and it pissed off Deborah. Can’t believe Sarah went out. What a gutless woman

[@davidmellish3295]

Yes but Sarah hadn't made an offer and they were trying to talk her into it when Deborah had already made an offer THAT was the problem. If they had both had made offers then asking them to go in together wouldn't have been a big problem. But cause Sarah hadn't made an offer and Deborah had,she felt like they weren't really interested in her as they were trying to get Sarah to make an offer when they already had one. She felt like they didn't really want her as the were concentrating on Sarah,basically saying' come on Sarah please offer we want you' If they had both offered then it would have been negotiations as normal. Playing them off against each other for better percentages or asking them to team up. This was a bit different as only Deborah had offered

[@p.v.7269]

@@davidmellish3295 The issue is that Sarah had said she was hesitant but had decided she was still interested enough and was about to make an offer when the couple asked if they (she and Deb) could possibly team up. It isn't like Sarah said she's out and they tried to bargain to get her in anyway, she was moments away from making them an offer, but Deborah's childish entitled sensibilities got all triggered and she exploded at the audacity of somebody to want her and another dragon to team up. All Deborah had to do was say "No I'm not interested in sharing with another dragon, you get me by myself or you get nothing" which would have been fair. But she went on some nonsensical rant about how dare they even think about saying such a thing and even guilt tripped that poor lady into crying and apologizing even though she literally did nothing wrong and had nothing to apologize for. That was horrible and shameful and Deborah bullied these people out of the den, and I believe Sarah agreed with her only because she didn't want to get any of that temper tantrum directed at her.

[@davidmellish3295]

@@p.v.7269 that's not what she said,listen again Sarah HADN'T made an offer THAT'S the point,you CAN'T know the future NONE of us can. In your OPINION she was going to make an offer but she hadn't and that's what pissed Deborah off. She says it quite clearly that she doesn't like the fact that they are asking them to team up BEFORE Sarah has made an offer. I'm NOT saying I agree,I'm just saying that is what Deborah said

[@p.v.7269]

@@davidmellish3295 I did listen again and my point still stands. Whether or not Sarah had made an offer is in fact actually NOT the point. The ACTUAL POINT is that Deborah got her panties in a massive twist over something she had no reason or right to get so offended about, blew a very tiny situation completely out of proportion and made the entrepreneurs who said nothing wrong and did nothing wrong cry and apologize and beg forgiveness. Sarah was debating on making an offer and was on the edge of doing so, but whether or not she had made an offer or was going to make one at all is irrelevant to the point and the main issue. The main issue is Deborah acted like a whiny entitled brat and threw a tantrum over nothing. I know she SAID she was upset over the fact that Sarah hadn't yet made an offer, but that is not the point, nor is it a justification for the way she behaved.

[@Andenvan]

Touker is completely off sides here. He is involved in multiple businesses yet rants at these two entrepreneurs for having just two businesses.

[@yebo-gogo]

True. These dragons are sat there trying to add more businesses to their heaving portfolios, yet tell entrepreneurs they can't run two businesses at the same time

[@animefan7424]

These have no managers to run it when they are away

[@random-nz7dy]

He's not upset that they have two businesses. His issue is that they don't have anybody to manage the current business in person when they are away. And running a business if you're going to be remote a lot is very challenging

[@BenjaminGoose]

Uhhh what? You realise the two parties are completely opposite sides of the situation? They are asking for Touker's money, not the other way around. Touker wants to know that his money will be put to good use by people who are completely dedicated to the business. Who cares if Touker has other businesses? He's the one offering the money.

[@feonor26]

The difference is they want Touker's money. Touker is using his own money on his own businesses.

[@BirthOfAnEmceeTV]

Nick "This bread is horrible, absolutely horrible". Editor then cuts in to make it look like he eats more 🤔🤣🤣

[@kingdomperspectivesmindset5595]

yes he's just confirming to himself it's absolutely horrible😀

[@comicalmaz4432]

🤣🤣

[@ameliashostak4764]

have you ever smelled something so bad that you keep taking more whiffs just to make sure it's that bad, lol...

[@MegaDudeman21]

@@ameliashostak4764 no

[@icystrangers5482]

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RANK!!! said NIck Jenkins, stuffing his face with more roll.

[@commanderkeen3787]

"This is absolutely rank.....and such small portions!" says Nick, spitting crumbs everywhere

[@simplymatto3402]

It’s edited....

[@ameliashostak4764]

@@commanderkeen3787 lol!

[@dominicmm6]

I think Sarah’s hesitancy is the real reason why Deborah swayed

[@SirPeterlll]

Could be, Debbie gained -1 respect point. Horrible move from her, she knew what the lady meant!

[@pepethunder]

@@SirPeterlll i understand the intent, but at the same time you have to understand that the lady made a mistake in directly using Deborah to persuade Sarah. They should have instead dealt with her without involving the other, but rather ask how they can sweaten the deal and if Deborah is still interested and feels threatened, THEN you can suggest the cooperation. Instead they treated Deborah as leverage and even if it is not the intent, it is 100% what they did. May have soured Deborah, add whatever reservations she had, it seems she figured it was best for them to not work together.

[@deborahpeters1597]

@@SirPeterlll Did you say Debbie don't let Deborah Meaden hear you say that,she gets very offended lol!!!🤣

[@drivepals9678]

Deborah freaked out when she heard Sarah saying the foodie in her is saying “no, don’t do it”😒

[@collincovid6950]

It felt as though Deborah was making an excuse to get out of a wrong decision, that she never expected her offer to be taken up.

[@thenamesgould]

Feel for this pair ... Touker with a random freakout about them taking a holiday and Deborah going berserk about a shared deal. What were the dragons on that day?!?!

[@sammuddel7751]

Definitely salty about summin!

[@kevinprince89]

Touker especially, what was he on about? He's got several businesses too that are being run by managers while he sits here taking part in a TV show. He gets weirdly emotional sometimes

[@ChewyPiano98]

@@kevinprince89 crazy part is, with how 2020 & 2021 have gone, we see that businesses can be run remotely 🤦‍♂️

[@AntiMatter930]

Northern Irish people have a weird effect on folk 😂

[@Clamfaced]

Maybe it was the last pitch after a long day of filming or something.

[@msc8090]

What just happened in that episode?😳 - super polite Nick slams their food - the leader Peter Jones hardly saying anything - Touker complaining about another company - Deborah throwing a tantrum Was really disappointed in them. Only one that was somewhat decent was Sarah, even though I really didn't like how she backed Deborah's weird behaviour at the end.

[@skinnymac2411]

This is a perfect synopsis of what I thought too! And even then I think Sarah was a bit rude to say well guys I don’t really want to invest but I might and then sit their contemplating as they stand there awkwardly.. she wouldn’t be a passionate investor at that point

[@the2dudes1]

Yeah wtf was wrong with Deborah in this episode. Unbelievably immature

[@AdamBechtol]

mmm

[@hellodave4984]

They got ripped apart for no reason.

[@imrank9282]

I don't think Sarah backed it, she just knew exactly what Deborah was gonna say, that's why she's worried they said that

[@MrMFoxd]

Deborah definitely changed her mind at the last minute and came up with her rant about sharing just to get out of the offer

[@neonwired4978]

not really, they were pretty disrespectful

[@qataribananahamock1495]

Not true, I think she just witnessed these 2 taking her offer too lightly despite others aren’t as interested as her. I bet she felt if she went along she will pay and work for them. They’re not appreciative of Deborah enough is all.

[@susanwaugh3885]

She just didn’t like the fact that they were asking Sarah, the food expert, to get on board too. She got the hump at not being solely the dragon they wanted. Typical of Deborah of course, always has to be no 1 and centre of attention.

[@roberthutchins4297]

Their question was perfectly reasonable. They were entitled to look at all the possibilities - just Deborah or a partnership.

[@tgchikukwa6947]

@@roberthutchins4297 But Sarah had not made an offer to them

[@saltypork101]

"deskill your kitchen" - translation: provide your workers with no interesting tasks and no room to flex their creativity, and then use that as a twisted justification to pay them absolute peanuts.

[@sexyhomeowner9345]

It also means less variety in menus between restaurants and pubs, the result of them not hiring chefs who use nuance when cooking.

[@boneyarsebogman]

Just a note on celiac disease: Nick was way off the mark. If you actually have a gluten intolerance, like celiac disease, then it's not just that the food has to be gluten free - it can't touch any counters or surfaces that had anything containing gluten in them. Cross contamination is a huge deal for these people and many restaurant kitchens can't accommodate those kind of issues. It's changing, but Nick is still wrong.

[@seanA416]

I agree 100% but it is still such a niche market with only about 1% of the population suffering from celiac disease.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

@@seanA416 1% of 68 million, is just the floor. With the ceiling being set by people without celiacs but who also eat gluten free. In an under served market, with a high potential of repeatable sales. Percentages are always relative to context, 1 percent can actually be alot. And that's before looking at growth options in foreign sales. Deb is just sensitive to ego stings, but she was right about their investment potential.

[@Calax93]

I've worked in kitchens were we've had gluten free orders. It is this not that hard. We change gloves do a wipe down and make it seepereately from the rest of the food. There is literally a button when taking orders and this process happens automatically

[@gothlymoor9472]

Yeah, I think Nick was confused that having celiac disease is not the same thing as preferring not to eat it. I found that a bit annoying cause I feel like he was so flippant with celiac disease and it’s not as simple as eat the naturally gluten free food. If it was only that simple 🤦‍♀️.

[@flare90]

It is a small market but Nick was wrong a lot. Also his point about health eating and gluten is uh yeah.

[@Jasper-Holland]

Damn, the dragons were so harsh in this pitch

[@litigioussociety4249]

Not really. They reasonably critiqued the business and products. Also, the lady definitely insulted Deborah by favoring Sarah.

[@cjj6412]

They realized these guys are doing the same thing the dragons are doing. Putting other people in charge and fcking off. You know how these dragons keep talking about their phenomenal teams. That's why the dragons couldn't take it. Touker acts like phones don't exist or that he is cutting his own fabric. there's a new thing called D2C which will is more lucrative than drop shipping and that's what these guys were doing. Dragons hate it because thats their turf, or they'd like it to be,

[@lukebignell7846]

@@litigioussociety4249 aren’t they allowed to have a favourite investor. It’s their business

[@litigioussociety4249]

@@lukebignell7846 Sure, but it comes off as not being thrilled to work with Deborah.

[@SirPeterlll]

Debbie misread the whole situation if she really meant it. No insult was there from the lady.

[@lewisdolan6990]

Toucan was just putting words into their mouths. Not once did they say they'd be sunning it up on holiday 🤔

[@pauljames7333]

He does this quite frequently. He fabricates a reason not to like the business or the people so he can have a rant and angrily declare himself out with full dramatic effect; with the drama only happening in his mind 😆

[@roberthutchins4297]

@@pauljames7333 But he´s the one I´d choose for my business,

[@bubbleboybenni]

There's quite a lot cut out though isn't there? Like don't think things go for an hour or 2? So maybe some was edited out. I dunno.

[@HIOP0]

Touker, unless you are a keyboard hero, looking to play on words, but sound like a held back child.

[@lewisdolan6990]

@@HIOP0 have a day off.

[@sineadbradyfan2151]

This business lady was very lovely and encouraging, and Deborah was so unnecessarily mean to her. I usually like Deborah, but this was just rude on her part.

[@OperaJH]

That’s why I have never like Debra. She’s always mean under her false and glib exterior. She’s usually annoying if not outright vindictive.

[@Clamfaced]

Sarah sitting there awkwardly because I don't think she was even offended at the sharing thing and had no idea what Deborah's issue was.

[@commanderkeen3787]

I think Sarah is scared of Deborah judging by her final comment

[@basharstats4482]

no Sarah understood the point verh well. she literally said that's y she is not gonna invest. it meant it's gonna b a nightmare to work with them.. these dragons r super snart ppl we oftdn forget. it's all abt timing. the fact she asked for. three way joint venture even before Sarah made an offer meant these ppl r gonna b verh manipulative and always urgue to push their way which is gonna b a nightmare for the investors. had she waited until Sarah made an offer then they wud have walked away with a deal. might have bn even two dragons. in biz it's very important to kno wen t stop talking and wen to start talking. split second decisions

[@TheBdylan23]

@@basharstats4482 You are absolutely correct, on two separate occasions one of them spoke when they shouldn't have, that silence is crucial. Deborah was correct in spotting they weren't committed to her despite giving them leeway concerning their other businesses.

[@Alg0rM0rtis]

@@basharstats4482 Good observation, I did not see that way

[@Black.Sabbath]

No, at the end she agreed with Deborah

[@one4all126]

To have both Sarah and Deborah on board would have opened up the product to retailers, catering and the hospitality industry... totally understand where the lady entrepreneur was coming from when she was searching for a partnership between them... feel bad for her and totally get it.

[@one4all126]

Sarah does bars, clubs and restaurants and a little hospitality... Deborah does leisure and hospitality... There would have been a good synergy between both of them to help grow that business in all the areas it needed to get into... The entrepreneur saw that, which was what she failed to/ didn't get a chance to get across...

[@one4all126]

@@Ayomayo48583 Sarah was half in half out. Some people on the den usually say something extra to try and push the dragons to put in an offer. The entrepreneur was right with her tactic but said the wrong things to persuade Sarah. The entrepreneur also said she wanted them to 'share' the investment, but she said it at the wrong time and should have said it if both Sarah and Deborah had put in offers.

[@one4all126]

@@Ayomayo48583 Let me know when more people agree with you than me on this comment thread (using the 'thumbs up') and then we can talk about who is talking nonsense...

[@one4all126]

@@Ayomayo48583 I just pointed out a fact - something you appear to struggle with... take it whatever way you want. Fact that you resort to name calling shows how weak your arguments have been...

[@one4all126]

@@Ayomayo48583 I'm sure somewhere out there in her own way Deborah appreciates you throwing your toys out the pram for her...

[@ranjivdussoye877]

Clearly deborah seized an opportunity to withdraw her offer after she realised it wouldn’t be a good offer

[@Kris_Aalst]

Not true. The deals made on camera are not binding at all, so she could have easily backed out at the real negotiations that start after the show.

[@gerbil61]

That was not clear to me.

[@Kris_Aalst]

@@ben2749 All caps means I sort of know what type of person I'm dealing with here, so I'll go easy on you. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but what I said is the truth. The real negotations happen after the show is taped, and more often than not no actual deal is made. You can find out for yourself very easily by googling something like 'dragons den deals binding or not'. You'll get dozens of results that confirm what I said. I also refer to the website www.tigermobiles.com/dragons-den/ which gathers information about whether or not deals made on camera actually went through afterwards. I warn you though, you're in for a huge disappointment.

[@lordhiten]

@@Kris_Aalst Much like Deborah, you are also equally well versed at reading someone & deciding how to handle the conversation by keen observation. Well done mate!

[@MindSetReset]

I think Deborah only likes to invest with Peter and no of the otbets🤔

[@vampires18]

That poor woman is going to be haunted by Deborah saying that to her, thinking that she messed up everything for them when in fact Deborah was just being prickly. She did not need to treat these people like that. Sometimes you feel like the dragons are people and nice and then you get slapped with how detached they are because of their lifestyles.

[@barobaro1]

You expected a millionaire to act like a decent human being?... I'm shocked at the fact that people still fall for their facades

[@kushchanna2847]

True that

[@jawaela]

@@barobaro1 It’s not that black and white… you’re the type of person to say people are either good or evil

[@matthannigan78]

I think that it was entirely appropriate. If she gained insight into the type of person she is working with and realizes that she cant work with someone like that, then Deborah should pull out. I’m glad that deborah did that.

[@sh4rk559]

Yeah she was tight for that

[@sequencerman5]

All the woman did, I believe, was to help Sarah, who couldn't get her thoughts together, to make a decision. There was NO ill intent on the woman's part and Deborah Meadon simply proved just what a cruel streak she possesses by allowing the woman to leave the den crushed.

[@niksta007a]

She's a psychopath

[@streetfightingman4240]

Yes I think she was just trying to make it a more tempting deal for both dragons (and obviously having seen the show before she knows they tend to share the deal happily) but if backfired. I think Deborah already may have had reservations about them for whatever reason, so maybe it was a way out to an extent.

[@tonyttt31]

Deborah, a cruel streak? Wow.

[@samtheguru]

They got some harsh treatment here.

[@MaliYojez]

Something else was clearly going on and the Dragons took out their annoyance on the couple. Very unfair. Normally previous success would be an asset and collaboration between Dragons is often an option.

[@rohitthomas8040]

A nice couple, they deserved to be treated better.

[@ukseverestormchaser]

Touker has presumably closed all of his businesses since the pandemic then because he doesn't like the idea of remote working?

[@iamlegend68]

We all know that Deborah had second thoughts about her offer and used the sharing thing as a way out. If that comment genuinely upset her and she's been in business so long, I'm surprised she's so weak.

[@Clamfaced]

I swear other pitchers have done similar things like that before and nobodys gotten mad so I think it might have been an excuse to back out. I know for sure people have been asked many times "Which Dragon would you want to make you an offer" and they've answered and people were fine with it.

[@beerscotch611]

It's a reality TV show at the end of the day. Sometimes the drama is just fabricated for the audience.

[@WobblesandBean]

Lol she's stronger than you'll ever be, mate.

[@boykhan22]

She is WEAK

[@jdigi78]

@@Clamfaced the issue isn't that they wanted the dragons to share, the issue is deborah had already made an offer and they were asking if they would split it as a means to get sarah on board instead. if you had 2 dragons who were on the fence it would be fair to suggest, but when one is all in and you're trying to convince another to go in too its a little disrespectful

[@commanderkeen3787]

Have a great lunch everyone lol

[@reecea8782]

You to my friend! Lol

[@iliketotrade]

🙏Bless

[@sirhenrysimmerson9385]

I will thanks

[@orionxtc1119]

My cupboard is bare......

[@ListerLanius]

And you friend!

[@andrewstubbs822]

Touka's having a tantrum here, like a geriatric who's spilled porridge over his chequered PJ's.

[@raianf]

😂

[@BleachRush]

Deborah getting triggered was uncalled for. The business owners wanted to Capitalise on the opportunity not undermining Deborah's ability to help them. I don't get it why she got offended suddenly.

[@JJR0694]

It was a terrible idea to shop the money Deborah offered to other dragon's. Not even countered Deborah, just literally said your money is good now we have that in the bag does anyone else want to get in. Poor business, wise eyes see dossers from a mile off

[@biscuit4259]

They go in wanting two dragons.

[@mohammediqubaldesai8201]

She is just grumpy

[@jakeevans9746]

Seems like they are finding the silliest excuses so that they don’t have to invest. Deborah’s offer is not good at all with she wanting 40%. Don’t know why she’s so offended.

[@JJR0694]

@@jakeevans9746 risk 40k on some wank bank business then talk

[@Nemcoification]

Debby: I'm not worried you have multiple businesses, you're capable. Also Debby: I was willing to overlook you having multiple businesses.

[@thealien_ali3382]

I do her

[@adrodog17]

I thought Deborah totally took it the wrong way, anyone could tell that there was no malice implied

[@rorie16]

I felt so incredibly sorry for Claire when she apologised in the elevator...Deborahs reaction was incredibly and unnecessarily OTT and she should know better!

[@lorenzoh.6571]

She regretted her offer and she used an excuse to escape

[@nealphore]

I just started watching, haven't seen anything and I'm already in agreement

[@tonyttt31]

I don't think it was very OTT. I also think Claire came in too soon with the split offer.

[@rebekahcranwell6421]

No, I don't think Deborah was unreasonable.

[@kerrygallagher8508]

Deborah definitely regretted making an offer and was looking for the perfect excuse to withdraw

[@kylecreed2748]

Not true

[@sheslying7117]

Deborah so insecure when she senses any kind of rejection

[@alannagrant1883]

Geeez you haven’t seen Touker and Peter in action then, you need to watch more episodes

[@adamrandles4055]

Yeahs it’s so apparent in loads of episodes

[@blazkify]

and its not even a rejection. The fact that they include Debbie in the offer mean they already accept Debbie in their mind.

[@EstrellaViajeViajero]

Deborah definitely felt she was taking a punt, or she wouldn't have asked for 40%. So it's a bit weird she wouldn't want to split it with Sarah, as that would halve the risk. That makes me think she was on a knife edge about making the offer, and as soon as one thing happened that she didn't like, it pushed her back across the line.

[@SuitedConnectors]

You're right.

[@pepethunder]

In that case it wouldnt even matter if they shook hands, Deborah would just do what Dragons have done before and not follow up on the investment offscreen. I guess the show is the real winner here with the drama.

[@tgchikukwa6947]

But Sarah had not made an offer to them

[@susanwaugh3885]

It was her ego and that’s the reason she backed out. She didn’t like the fact she asked Sarah to join her. It made her feel as though Sarah was ‘the one’ needed to make this business a bigger success as she has greater knowledge of the food industry and had made her fortune from this, and Meadon was clearly hacked off by the entrepreneurs request. Sarah, to get on the right side of Deborah, backed out otherwise she was about to make an offer when Deborah made hers. It annoyed me how Sarah always has to be up Meadons arse and can’t stand on her on two feet during this programme and make offers unless other dragons make an offer. She gets on my nerves

[@alannagrant1883]

@@pepethunder that’s rubbish you often see follow up episodes with Deborah right there with her clients that she invested in and still mentoring them years later, so shut your gob

[@deborahpeters1597]

Did anyone notice they said two dragons sixty thousand pound before they actually went in the den?,so that was there plan,I still felt sorry for them though.I think Sarah feels a bit intimidated by Deborah so tries to keep on the right side of her.

[@collincovid6950]

Never noticed that. It came across as though Deborah had made the wrong decision, her percentage high, as though she expected the couple to pull out, and when they did not, the excuse came into play.

[@logangallagher7050]

Their

[@kimgysen10]

Yes I did! If anything, it made me respect Deb's sense for business even more. It's not the kind of people Deborah would like to do business with.

[@boykhan22]

Moral of the story: never mention any thoughts verbally before entering the den. The walls have ears.

[@theovolz3073]

“There’s no such thing as bad publicity” Nick Jenkins: that is horrible. That is really, truly, HORRIBLE.

[@wideawake914]

That old saying only applies in show business, Companys will fight tooth and nail to avoid bad publicity.

[@andrewstubbs822]

I think we're all DD addicts. The man's an absolute tosser.

[@ajjo6987]

If you watch it again you ll see how he wanted to say “it’s disgusting “ 😂but then he realized Ou yeah horrible 😂😂😂

[@lewisdolan6990]

Deborah just changed her mind and made up any bull she could think of. Made herself look silly

[@Kris_Aalst]

Nah, the deals made on camera are not binding at all, so she could have easily backed out at the real negotiations that start after the show.

[@AwesomeMetalBands]

I don't agree the two so-called entrepreneurs completely rubbished her offer. Not professional

[@Dykhouse]

I’ve never understood the angst over someone having another business. The Dragons all have multiple businesses.

[@random-nz7dy]

It's valid to ask somebody why they need your money if they already have super successful businesses going It's also a potential point of leverage in the negotiation

[@9k49]

Ultimately they want the biggest ROI possible, other businesses can impact that

[@ahmadsalmanmustafa5518]

Everyone talking about sarah and deborah Me: Peter was a bit quiet this time

[@FeedMyPets]

Touker went mental and even after replaying it i can’t fully work out why.

[@csabz]

8:30 When I ask my boss if I could work from home one day a week.

[@pauljames7333]

So true, sounds like you have a control freak manager like I do 😆

[@chakalaka3960]

Old fashioned management, my old CEO thinks you can only work if your ass is in the seat in the office

[@juffjaff]

"We've got a great product, and we're going to do really well" cuts to the Den on fire

[@Aztecius]

Debroah can be truly embarrassed by how she acted he. Just embarrassing.

[@danh9905]

As a celiac myself, I can say Nick really screwed up here. Yes, anyone can order a "gluten free" meal to enjoy the health benefits of being gluten free I have yet to discover, but its entirely different when even trace amounts from using the same utensils or work space can make you severely ill.

[@dontakeshit]

But you must admit celiacs that are so gluten intolerant are a small market

[@ameliashostak4764]

@@dontakeshit yeah i was gonna say that can't be the norm.

[@katesummers709]

@@dontakeshit all people with Celiac Disease have to completely avoid all gluten, wheat, barley and rye. It's not an intolerance, it's an autoimmune disease. Even a crumb of gluten is damaging.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

I don’t think he knows what words mean. Also he has no clue what cross contamination is.

[@bexica5676]

Nick would be the type who says “just pick the croutons off the salad and it’s gluten free” meanwhile people with celiac disease would get sick from the remaining crumbs. Restaurants, if not properly trained (or maybe for lack of care) WILL do this. And people get very sick.

[@EngKarimM]

I'm sure Claire mentioned the sharing option when Sarah was talking, in order to encourage Sarah to give even a partial offer. It's like she would say: "would you be ready to do a partial offer?". So i can't understand the crazy response she got. Moreover, not even having the chance to explain herself makes it even more outrageous. you know what? I think it might be in their benefit not to have such a grumpy dragon on their side...

[@UsernameRulesSuck1]

Why does Nick have such a hard time understanding that not everyone with Coeliac's disease wants to live on hard boiled eggs? Maybe they just fancy a cake every now and then.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

Exactly. My sister has it- I have Ulcerative Colitis and when it flares up I have to be put on a specific list and I would eat a lot of what my sister would cook and I’d even ask her help to learn how to cook it. It actually really helps when I have a flare up.

[@misleadingwolf4098]

Nick doesn't have coeliac disease

[@Michael.Virtus]

And that's why the old saying "Silence Is Golden" is pure wisdom.

[@criss2842]

It would have fallen through regardless.

[@kebabkebob7808]

Debbie was looking for an excuse to get out, there was nothing wrong with what the entrepreneur said. She was being a child

[@skiiwine9973]

@@kebabkebob7808 If you think there was nothing wrong with what the entrepreneur said then you need to rewatch the video. And also the deals made on camera are not binding at all. There's still due diligence needs to be made.

[@kebabkebob7808]

@@skiiwine9973 Ok I rewatched it and I'm still 100% correct

[@skiiwine9973]

@@kebabkebob7808 No you are not. If Debbie wanted to get out of the deal... she can do that one during the due diligence process. Like I said, the deals made on cam are not binding so it nullifies your argument about Debbie looking for an excuse.

[@agenttyson007]

Dam! I kind of felt bad for these Entrepreneurs, especially leaving with your confidence Crushed like that. Deborah punished them Hard for the slightest mistake, she did not need to take it so Personal. It is a open business deal and she is only trying to encourage another Dragon to Invest, which is the Whole Point of the Show.

[@therealchocolatebrownie]

*After Debra makes an offer... Entrepreneurs- Hello other Dragons Debra (triggered)- I'm offended and I don't think you're interested in my offer and for that reason I'm out! 🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@BenjaminGoose]

It's not written "Debra".

[@therealchocolatebrownie]

@@BenjaminGoose Deborah.... here you go mate 👍

[@buckethead133]

@@BenjaminGoose Wow such a great comment. Your effort is highly regarded.

[@Kris_Aalst]

That's not at all what happened. I suggest you watch the video again. They get an offer and they immediately ask the remaining dragons (in this case only one but that doesn't matter) if they want to share with Deborah. That's a nono. That's saying, "We don't want to go with only Deborah so please jump on board". The "we don't want to go with only Deborah" part is insulting to her.

[@therealchocolatebrownie]

@Kris Maybe they thought that Sarah and Deborah will make exceptional partners for them if they work together. I know that they didn't relay that in a proper manner but I understood why they asked the question. There was no reason for Deborah to get offended! And if you watch other Dragon's Den videos you will notice that Deborah does this all the time. If she has put an offer on the table and if the entrepreneurs ask another dragon a question after "talking to the wall", she gets offended straight away! Often the Dragons, especially Deborah, Peter, and Touker forget that the entrepreneurs have the right to negotiate with any dragon they want! That doesn't necessarily mean that they are dismissing their offers. Why does a said Dragon have to be the entrepreneur's first choice? What's wrong with being the second choice? As long they can make the Dragons more money, that should be more than enough! Deborah doesn't get this! And hence the reason for my comment. 🙌

[@m6xx7demix]

Perfect timing for an upload just started my lunch break at work 🙂

[@orionxtc1119]

what did you get to eat?

[@m6xx7demix]

@@orionxtc1119 chicken curry 🤤

[@ashes187]

This episode was definitely shot on a Monday....such mood swings by the Dragons....

[@texyrexy]

Debbie throwing her toys out of the pram again.

[@sheslying7117]

Standard

[@terrymennie4332]

Good old dirty debs

[@mrsurprise2294]

I'm mad keen for a bread roll right now

[@iiU2]

*She only wanted to see if the Dragons would share the % of the pitch. Double the experience, right?* We see it all the time in the Den. In fact, it shows that Debra was not very keen on the people running the business but would "make do" if it made money.

[@Clamfaced]

Part of me thinks she changed her mind and was just looking for an excuse to be out.

[@commanderkeen3787]

Deborah in a bad mood and/or Deborah finding the perfect opportunity to quickly cure her "investor's remorse"

[@deborahpeters1597]

@@Clamfaced I totally agree with you great minds think alike!!!

[@WayneBagguley]

There are no nice dragons left any more. They don't seem to last very long, maybe because they don't want to be associated with such a-holes.

[@nick777forde]

The entrepreneur should have been patient and waited for Sarah's offer.

[@sagittarius_a3307]

Before even getting into the elevator to go up, the two had already said that they wanted 2 dragons and 60K... she wanted 2 the whole time. Deborah did over-react, but her basic instinct isn't wrong: in a business relationship, how it begins, is how it ends. i think that's also true for romantic relationships. one of the best pieces of advice I've got.

[@DarkReapersGrim1]

Just when I thought Deborah was going to make her first offer without following Peter Jones like a puppy, she goes out for one of the most trivial reasons. I've watched years of Shark Tank and Dragon's Den (Canada and UK) and rarely do the dragons/sharks get offended or ask "am I not good enough?" when the entrepreneur asks them if they'd like to work with another dragon/shark. It's almost like a compliment because you're putting the ball in their court and offering them the opportunity to work with whoever they want to work with. Add to that, it cuts down their level of risk with how much money/capital they have to put up if there's another dragon/shark willing to share the costs.

[@shitholeworld]

AWALT.

[@buckethead133]

Defo she takes Peter as free ride. She is his little chihuahua. 😑

[@raianf]

It’s different in this case. Usually sharing comes after multiple offers are received. In this case they jumped the gun and alienated Deborah. As an investor I would do the same.

[@MegaDudeman21]

@@raianf very immature

[@Currie01]

Agree 100%

[@WonkaVator72]

"The rules of the Den state that a Dragon may withdraw their offer at any time prior to it being accepted." Then it goes into the due diligence phase... where the offers often get withdrawn.

[@BeastTheMadness]

Nick wanted to say "disgusting" but stopped himself 😂

[@kmdewhurst]

You need to save that word for something more serious. Like if one of your daughters forgets to flush after taking a shet. It was one of yas.

[@Fjred]

@@kmdewhurst 😂

[@GinjaFajr]

@@kmdewhurst 😆classic

[@zarganon9594]

he said rank which to me is worse

[@finsouth-klein1054]

Nick: That bread roll is absolutely rank *continues eating bread roll*

[@axeman14]

If I ever see Touker on a beach somewhere I’m gonna bollock him and tell him to get back to the office immediately...

[@dontakeshit]

He's finding people on the beach to rent his office space in London

[@donramanayake1505]

Lol - nice one!

[@Locutus]

Too many dragons throwing their toys out of the pram in this pitch.

[@sajjadali2008]

They have deals that they share on Dragons Den all the time, Deborah was SO wrong there. She just merely asked if they would want to share it probably due to Sarah's experience.

[@atharvapansare1487]

It was so obvious that once Sarah didn't look too keen on investing, Deborah regretted her offer. What a lame excuse just to withdraw the offer! There was no need to act like such a spoilt brat.

[@galacticosmoderncombatvers6315]

As I think Deborah is always really honest, this time, she was unbelievably horrible, bu putting this lady on the spot like that!

[@melissamcclain34]

I'm @11:22 and I knew just as soon as the entrepreneurs said they owned a hotel together that Peter Jones was going to get all worked up about their level of commitment to the business😂😂😂

[@Black.Sabbath]

7:32 Touker was worse, literally attacking them for going on holiday even though the business can be run from anywhere. Get with the times already.

[@NecroMorrius]

What the hell is Touker on about

[@royfr8136]

They wouldnt be interested in his London offices... so hes angry..

[@Polkadot2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@commanderkeen3787]

Touker is always so emotional. When he doesn't like someone, it's usually for some arbitrary reason. He then sits back and listens intently for a more measured analysis from one of the other Dragons, to see if he made a mistake

[@teerath11]

One of the most childish and cruel episode on those poor business people. Feel really bad for them. Those dragons have become so pathetic.

[@mountainman6172]

Debra rant at the end is the epitome of 'tactical gambit'

[@rjmunt]

"taking a calculated risk in order to gain an advantage" is my understanding of the term *tactical gambit* wrong ?

[@-WhizzBang-]

She shouldn't be so upset that she screwed things up with Deborah! She wanted to take 40% of their business. They are probably better off with what happened!

[@hobowithashotgun48]

Honestly, if Deborah is willing to throw that kind of bratty tantrum on television, imagine how horrible it is to work with her once there are no cameras around. They're better off without her if thats the way she behaves. Dodged a bullet.

[@kingdavewoody]

I just came from another video where she had a tantrum after she made an offer and they tried getting Touker to make an offer. She apparently doesn't like not being a preferred dragon : /

[@claudiogonzalez9926]

@@kingdavewoody well imagine making a decision based on your gut feeling against your beliefs or rationale, just to find out the feeling is unrequited. Just like in your love life. It hurts :P and it shows that they don't value your offering or they don't see how lucky they are to have it. It makes perfect sense.

[@Black.Sabbath]

You should watch the reason she rejected Tangle Teezers.

[@dbgreene9020]

@@claudiogonzalez9926 exactly 💯!!

[@luxgoods]

That’s a good example on the saying that ‘There’s no room for mistakes in business’. That was merciless from Deborah.

[@9k49]

sad but true. Deborah was unprofessional in her response but hopefully Claire learnt the lesson about *how* to put forward offers. The sad reality is it’s more about ‘how’ you present something than ‘what’ it is

[@HHHKingofKings58]

Lmao Debbie is such a spoiled brat. She always throws her toys out of her pram at the slightest hint that someone would be interested in anything other than an exclusive deal with her alone.

[@JCstock]

They're all spoiled brats they're multimillionaires.

[@alfunzsean5381]

Not at all she's smart I rate her for that they was just there to talk on and on 🤣😅

[@alannagrant1883]

I think Deborah is the most astute, honest and intelligent, loyal dragon out of all them!, I’d pick her anytime over the others

[@iancampbell9297]

Wow Debbie ,get over yourself...she's just exploring other options

[@Dylan-xt7ki]

Nick Jenkins has clearly never heard of coeliacs. Pretending that him "not eating the bread" is anywhere near the same as a coeliac being bed ridden with pain because the lentils the kitchen used had a single grain of wheat cross contaminating them

[@janetanderson5463]

I hope that they are madly successful , I think that all of the Dragons were unnecessarily horrible to the poor couple . The Dragons self importance is making them nasty people in my opinion.

[@skylarrose4854]

They ended up being successful

[@intrepidtomato]

@@skylarrose4854 that's what I thought!! they are clearly already successful

[@Gedagnors]

"Colum is quick to make clear that the 25-year-old friendship wasn't on the rocks as a result. "We would never have given away 40% for just £60,000."' (belfasttelegraph)

[@frontleftfender]

They broke the first "rule of crumb", never test a dragons ego

[@sjaakvanderelst3084]

I love Dragons Den and I love you, have a great day wherever you are and whomever you are.

[@talk-supersix-seven6021]

Thank you ☺️ appreciate it

[@Dy_Lon67]

Touker did a cheeky wink at 9:00

[@itsthatenglishdriver]

I really like Dragons den but situations like that with Deborah almost makes me question if I want to watch it any more.

[@donramanayake1505]

I agree. I feel if the show is about rich people due to their money abusing contestants, I'd rather not watch. If its about investments or drama its one thing. This is disgusting - Deborah didn't even deign to acknowledge the apology. Even when it was proffered after all the deals were done and the show had ended.

[@whyisblue923taken]

Yeah. This kind of thing makes me want to stick to US Shark Tank and I don't like Mark or Lori.

[@Phyto.]

I have been binging DD on youtube, but this episode is where I draw the line. Firstly, how dare they throw a tantrum about running more than one business when that is LITERALLY the reason they sit on those seats in the first place. But Deborah's tantrum was the icing on the cake. I am done with these childish predatory capitalists.

[@samanthamay6714]

Deborah didn't bother me so much (even though she came on strong here), Nick was an ass though (that "but you can't make money out of that" accusation was just nasty). I have IBD and yeah, sometimes we want crumbed food and carbs OTHER than potatoes and rice FFS. Anyone that tries to make GF bread/ wheat based products like pasta good, please, so many of us welcome it.

[@AllsortPassport]

I agree, it's easy to say "just don't eat foods containing gluten" when you're someone who can switch back to eating them whenever you want.

[@reginalram9050]

Deborah gave a terrible offer for 40% of the company without stating how she could help them. They should have rejected it outright

[@alexander191297]

Colum: “Hello, my name is Colum, and with me today is Claire”… Deborah: *Starts writing in her notebook*

[@SilentAssassin01234]

Touker's little wink at Sarah when he declared he's out.

[@Black.Sabbath]

It's all just a game to them.

[@bucasas02]

I feel she was right to pull the offer. That women was just a bit presumptuous. I wouldn’t be able to work with them. They seem to be very uncoachable. I don’t think they would of taken the deal at 40% and try to negotiate a bit. Than Debora would say she was out. So I don’t see any change in the outcome. Anyway I don’t know what gluten is, but I think that’s where bread hides it’s flavor.

[@Franatomy]

Crazy how so many people in the comments don't understand why Deborah is absolutely justified here smh

[@gazzyb85]

We understand perfectly well why she reacted how she did; we just don't agree it was appropriate.

[@Franatomy]

​@@gazzyb85How isn't it appropriate? It's her money and time lol

[@StorytellerDan]

Rrrriiiight, because Solomon isn´t somewhere else whilst his enterprise is running along.

[@rejuvenatingsoul3498]

3:43 "Nick Jenkins doesn't not like the product while consuming years worth of supply"

[@PronatorTendon]

Just when I thought I'd watched all of their videos 💪🏽

[@donniethezombie4495]

Damn you're strong foo

[@PronatorTendon]

@@donniethezombie4495 I train supination and pronation with sledgehammers. I can hold a 5lb hammer on a 3' handle sideways by the very end of the handle for 4 minutes straight. It's good but it also sucks that it's so unconventional that there's no one to compare it to really

[@collincovid6950]

Deborah came across as though she was offering the full sum whilst making it difficult for the couple to go with the percentage, and as soon as Sarah was engaged in the matter Deborah quickly claimed to take offense, hence she really was not bothered, only tried to appear so.

[@UndisclosedTalent]

Moonpig ate a lot of that roll before deciding it was 'rank'

[@ListerLanius]

Just eating my Five Guys lunch at work in Chiswick, hope everyone is well!

[@BenjaminGoose]

No one cares what you're eating.

[@ListerLanius]

@@BenjaminGoose you silly goose

[@macmoody68]

No wonder Debs doesn’t have any children.

[@fefeeffefeff8237]

weirdest pitch i've ever seen, maybe the producers told them to act a certain way or something because that was just bizzare, they did literally nothing wrong

[@SuperYtc1]

It’s obvious they were told to play up for the cameras. Even Nick’s comments were weird.

[@RydalS]

I love when Sarah does that face like at 11:35