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[@UserRandomSenders123]

Legit starting to think Jenny only comes for the free water

[@jonathanflycht3048]

MrMicheliinMan - GFX Designer oh, never heard that one before.. Only seen it in on all of the other videos...

[@kinga4b124]

@@jonathanflycht3048 Thats the point in the joke, you wetwipe

[@ManeyMane18]

Looool

[@soulesssenpai807]

Who wouldn’t 😂

[@guy_with_no_name7317]

@@kinga4b124 jackass over here

[@HelloMyNamesNino]

Jenny walks out her front door. “I’m no longer inside and for that reason I’m out.”

[@SIX622]

Nino Exquisite humour. Well done.

[@elijahwilson7779]

JustCallMeSix _ Exquisite vocabulary!

[@ButterflySimmer]

😂😂😂

[@paulanthony5274]

I've seen this joke now about ten times on other dragons den youtube videos,it isn't your joke saddo

[@HelloMyNamesNino]

Paul Lindley they stole it from me saddo

[@CeeShelles]

I like how Deborah is the default 'look through the legal documents' person. She finds exactly what she needs right away

[@djmaster1995]

Well, she had to, the woman lied and said the company wasn't on the shareholders agreement.

[@LimPu]

Goes to show that successful people are not always just greedy, but also intelligent in many ways.

[@mothermovementa]

She doesn’t they’re in there for hours. They edit the whole thing.

[@jamesharris184]

She is a smart cookie

[@billymabum3514]

Editing

[@DonInADress]

Dragons den KZbin has found me again.... I was 7 months clean😔

[@dogstar5039]

Back to chasing the dragon 🐉💨🏃

[@madamefeast4824]

I was 4 months off and now I'm back since yesterday. I'm in deep already again. Eh..

[@MatteoPrezioso]

LOL 1 year here. Damn KZbin suggested me one episode, and here I am. Again.

[@galvonprime757]

I was 30 mins clean

[@ssiipp7848]

Same here... I had not watched it for 6 months.. Now I am addicted again.

[@remchaill9898]

She's not an entrepreneur, she's an employee.

[@SIPEROTH]

Well not exactly since she has part of the business but yes kind of a glorified employee basically which usually people in high position in a business are since many companies give shares etc to their CEO's and managers etc so they will probably avoid cash bonuses etc along with incentivising them on doing a good job by being part of the company.

[@giselau5606]

Remchaill Not if she has the voting rights. There are industries with a huge average percentage of debt (leverage) financing - doesn’t make them any less of a company. Shareholders without voting rights are effectively the same!

[@hellothere4485]

And for that reason, I'm out.

[@stevenrobinson7722]

So a Germanic American Anglo “alliance” she wants hmmmm the last “meet-up” we all had that made the books didn’t go too well did it!!!This is no different 😆😂

[@andrewfarrugia6072]

She dont own business start one have invest fee mean what shock takes work

[@radiance65]

Once Deborah asks to see the paperwork it's all over.

[@dougchance8891]

Deborah is great at the documents- and so is Peter

[@poopie4738]

Doug Chance i know right, if i went on the show id want deborah or peter for sure

[@ghw1985]

Deborah : I want to see the paperwork *BOSS MUSIC*

[@xsytrance]

@@ghw1985 lol!!!!

[@centerfield6339]

​@@ghw1985 anyone else see a hint of laser eyes?

[@jillianhaley993]

She actually believes she owns the business at 10%, kinda reminds me of how those MLM people feel.

[@oxymoron02]

Right? And at any time they wanted, Katjes could strong-arm her out of the deal (which probably would have happened, had this pitch been successful).

[@ironknight16]

Considering 10% of the company is no more then small restuant to the bigger company but if she owned atleast 50% to 60% then it would give her the legal right to the corrperite choice but on the positive note if the request was the rejected then ask for contact tips in the trade to branch out

[@antonydandrea]

Love how Touka keeps eating the sweets almost quicker before she is rejected

[@blaziken3236]

😂

[@FRANCESCA01234]

Lol

[@Fopenplop]

successwin mindset

[@TheAtticradio]

Ha !! Very good !!

[@theseriousaccount]

She believed she owned the company. It was real in her mind. She FELT it.

[@chickstar69duplicity35]

Niaive ... or a good actor. Shame either way. I really quite liked her; wanted her to do well. Then the conversation progressed, as did the cringe factor. At the end, dumb is dumb 😔

[@user-rh4fc2dg8e]

That's women in general... Delusional.

[@qtpiefuuurrrever]

She did create the company and so she did own it at one point but she sold it and was most likely lied to by Katjes after they claimed ownership of it, probably something along the likes of “oh no no noooo youre still the owner and the ceo and most important central figure to this brand and have the final say and all that but uh we’re keeping 90% 😘” when reality is none of that is true. Katjes is the owner and therefore has final say in everything, they are the central figures and could actually be considered illegal that they would send her out like this on their behalf. I feel like they fluffed up her importance with lies and then sent her out to get set up. Tragic.

[@xxgn]

@@qtpiefuuurrrever I think that's a bit of an unfair characterization. While technically she doesn't have final say, I think that, unless she messes up, Katjes' intent is to give her full control indefinitely. Not out of any sort of kindness but because she's (presumably) done a good job running the company. I suspect her agreement with them contains provisions which make it difficult for them to override her day-to-day decisions, but of course they can still exercise a nuclear option and force her out entirely. Much in the same way a CEO, even one without any ownership stake, has "complete" control over the company they are running. All that being said, it's very weird for a subsidiary of a conglomerate to ask for an investment. I'd expect them to either you use internal resources to assist such companies or to sell them off.

[@rep-vile]

@@xxgn Exactly! People look at their reactions and assume that this is something uncommon or even horrible.

[@orangejjay]

I don't actually have any money at all and for that reason, I'm out.

[@questioneverything8301]

dont like this programme, they are greedy already mulit millionaires and then use the people that go on the show to get even richer with a high % of the persons company. the only winners are the 5 celebs on the show . and for those reasons im out

[@Argumemnon]

@@questioneverything8301 So in fact you don't understand how the show works. Right.

[@questioneverything8301]

@@Argumemnon Enlighten me? see if we concur?

[@pippipster6767]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@adwoamk8918]

@@questioneverything8301 n cm vav in I ignore wvx cj. 2nd NG tutorial will 4thAwes u

[@Harouni_fba]

Whoever Deborah spots something and makes an early exit, it usually spells disaster in the den. People mistake how much power and presence she really has in there, she definitely wears the trousers!

[@marinamaged962]

@Dave Steward you can’t even spell

[@armans2473]

Or you are not very good at sarcasms, Marina. These women usually have the lowest net worths out of all the dragons/investors on these shows and they are there to mollify annoying SJWs when they whine, kvetch and moan about the “lack of DIVERSSIITTTY!”. And while Deborah’s business acumen is one of the best (and only a bit behind Peter), it’s Peter who often asks the important questions and brings out pitch flaws, that go on to doom an investor.

[@marinamaged962]

@@armans2473 what was the point of your comment

[@mrtommygunwhite]

As soon as Deborah asks to read something you are screwed

[@Henlak-]

She's clearly the most respected in that room out if the dragons. Many of them follow as she leads cause she usually makes the best investments and spots when something is off

[@MitchellWiggs]

"You ran over my grandmother" "I don't see it that way, she found herself underneath the molecules that composed my tires"

[@blehh010]

DEAD 💀

[@francistoopiln709]

No no... she was just about to sleep, so she went under the tires with my help. Makes her feel cosy.

[@benjaminwilliams2404]

😂💀💪

[@BrokeCanadian]

*COMPRISED* your tires, not "composed"

[@gjghudibelin6119]

Lots of Lol 🤣

[@christianlionel1988]

📂 JENNY └📁Investments └⚠️ This folder is empty

[@mccc4559]

THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF REAL NERDS - YOU AND ME - AND WE ARE THE SAME - SO THAT MAKES ONLY ONE TYPE OF REAL NERD - THANK YOU!

[@nayten0324]

Lol

[@MandeepGadgetBoy]

DEAD

[@Lok15]

so she's like barbra

[@samuelholmes3696]

Genius!

[@mrCQB15]

They all look like they haven't slept since 2013

[@allisonday893]

God yes, Peter Jones looks like he's crawled in from sleeping in the local park

[@MILITANT1]

They sniff to much gear😂

[@hommefataltaemin]

Hahahah I think it’s cuz of the lighting 😂

[@user-ug1yq6zt5t]

As Rick James would say: "Cocaine's a helluva drug!"

[@TheFourFats]

Jenny’s been sleeping out since 1963

[@copkhan007]

She was on Shark Tank and had same exact issue, she was representing a company with only 10% share holdings. She was denied by all sharks.

[@kingdomperspectivesmindset5595]

link please

[@mynamejeb8743]

its like me buying Tesla's share for a measly 2 Lots and start negotiating a merger with Microsoft. INSANITY

[@invertedname3099]

Gotta wonder if it’s real or staged then.

[@blesson87]

Knew it! I knew she looked familiar from shark tank.

[@saddamhussein8489]

@@mynamejeb8743 its nothing like that at all

[@tobiaskramm9955]

I love how Touker always looks so proud after declaring he's out

[@MrMaddox57]

like he finished a delicious meal, hahaha

[@DavidMcCoul]

It's true; he always says "I'm out" like he's telling you great news

[@wyrmseyeview9555]

Touker gives me the impression that he's a good guy and his friendly manner isn't just an act, but it does veer into annoyingly smug/smarmy at times.

[@dazzaMusic]

So basically she wants them to invest in a business that’s already owned by someone else and she’s just a pawn.

[@nox5555]

owned by someone bigger than those dragons.

[@windyblower1211]

@@nox5555 whose this person thats bigger than the dragons?

[@shiningstar8595]

That's a total failure coz the 90% share holder wasn't even present. Further more, how can one know that she had her partners permission to get more partnership and financial assistance???? The produce may have been good, but lack of her partners presence was a bad idea.

[@haendel8a]

@@windyblower1211 Katjes is Germany's 3rd biggest candy producer which says a lot in the country of Augustus Gloob (after Haribo and Storck)

[@supasnake8138]

@@nox5555 and its not even a someone it's a giant corporation in a different country.

[@andrewmartin6445]

Dragons don't have dens. Lions have dens. Dragons have lairs.

[@wowman8882]

All these years and i never clicked on to that.

[@jeremiahturner3383]

@Israel Did 9/11 lol

[@johnrogers5662]

Israel Did 9/11 Yes they do. I`ve seen them on the telly.

[@Vendrix86]

these animal names referring to human beings are so stupid. What are we 5 years old again?

[@samsschool3639]

Actually its a misspelling, should have been Dragons Dense or Dense Dragons

[@Michele1ELL]

I loved that little glance between Peter and Deborah. You can tell they have a lot of respect for each other

[@wyrmseyeview9555]

I've seen Peter make partial offers conditional on Deborah (rather than any other dragon) coming in with him before. They've worked together for a long time and clearly work well together. On the other hand I do think that for the format of the show sometimes that the Peter-Deborah axis is now too powerful and upsets the dynamic. When Duncan was around it wasn't so pronounced but it sometimes feels now like it's Peter and Deborah plus three, rather than five dragons of equal standing.

[@adamc3607]

@@wyrmseyeview9555 bring back Duncan and Richard!

[@tmikeb28]

"This is not the way it is in real life." What a telling thing to say.

[@idareyoutolookatmyprofile.569]

Amazon asks for an investment of 10 quid for 75% Jenney: I'm out

[@edwardduffy4793]

@Redblade the joke is that jenny never made an investment from her time in the den , she even got rejected one time 😂😂

[@FunBoysGaming]

@Redblade 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@paulanthony5274]

Why don't you just say The bride of Frankenstein pmsl

[@paulanthony5274]

Quite the opposite pal I do it all the time,for instance I was trying to remember someone being described as having mercury coloured skin and sat there for ages to the point I put grayish purple.I have a memory like a six,I was merely teasing but I can understand you thinking I wasn't as that's the thing,it's bloody youtube for you.When you put that about Frankenstein I just assumed youmight be older like myself but couldn't remember the name.Anyway not that old I'm only 50 but remember as acid watching the old black n white horrors with Boris karloff,I almost forgot his name then but I have a friend who looks like him pmsl

[@paulanthony5274]

Siv* not six,damned predictive text

[@alexjewitt7650]

Bill Gates: hi Jenny I'm offering you 50% of Microsoft, totally free Jenny : I'm out

[@DJSherinee]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nawazhasan80]

@@DJSherinee Best comment by far

[@fmb909]

Il

[@Nathan-cc1ej]

😂😂

[@queeniman2674]

Alex Jewitt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@zuxx00]

When Melissa walked out of that elevator, I thought she was gonna pitch a new type of protein shake or some new gym equipment. Her arms are just glorious.

[@1yearago491]

Referring to the true and hidden owner of the company as "the absentee Willy Wonka" lmao

[@nazzawirockful]

Jenny’s father: push honey push Jenny’s mother: AHHHHH im pushing Jenny: I’m out

[@bradleywoods3742]

This deserves recognition

[@mrsurprise2294]

Haha brilliant take my like

[@dbreezy1up652]

😭😭

[@millertas]

After giving birth to two boys my wife says this is not funny.

[@ggjones2517]

LMFAO!!!!! XD

[@templar_tv]

My name is Barbara, i'm not even in this show so i'm out.

[@tunebros2]

I was looking for a Barbara comment! Well done!

[@1337Hayze]

lololol accurate

[@tme98]

I just spit my drink out

[@sachiko4448]

KSKSKS

[@BurntTransistor]

lmao

[@MrUppertorso]

I'm so suspicious of the supplement industry that seeing a candy company trying to get into it sets off sirens in my head.

[@xalexflanaganx]

Jenny: I’m British so I don’t agree with you calling it candy, they’re called sweets. So for that reason I’m out

[@kylealexander1514]

Love when Deborah and Peter exchange looks of disgust... Reminds me of my parents at my parents evening... 05:40

[@christineleahy2013]

kyle alexander 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Filu63]

Yesssss! 😂😂😂

[@samyoo1678]

hahahahahah

[@marwanashraf1394]

Teacher :Your son has been a very naughty boy... Debora & Peter: :(

[@Filu63]

@@marwanashraf1394 He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy...

[@teippio5613]

"something to chew on", "sour the mood", my god these puns lol

[@Binyamin1444]

Everytime.. he never fails with the puns. He's found his calling in life

[@sticksman7819]

They're awful.

[@joshualeahy2162]

@@sticksman7819 Have you got any better ideas for puns then Justin? :P

[@sticksman7819]

@@joshualeahy2162 I haven't but rest assured as soon as I do il let you know Joshua.

[@joshualeahy2162]

@@sticksman7819 Thanks. I look forward to whatever you can come up with. 🤗

[@jesusbermudez6775]

She is extremely confident and felt she could get away with it. The dragons are not gullible.

[@trillion7070]

Confidence in one's own stupidity still leaves one stupid.

[@jesusbermudez6775]

@@trillion7070 You are right; however, there are many out there that can be tricked by a confident person who is stupid.

[@SageTheRage]

During her rather fast-paced presentation, she used her native tongue pronunciation of "vite - ah-minz". As soon as the floor was turned over to the dragons who quite naturally said "veet-a- mins", she replied in like kind before reverting back to her more familiar americanized pronunciation. I forgot to notice after her bombshell: "I own 10%, the other 90% shareholder is quite busy and didn't think he needed to come" proclamation if she bounced between the two variants.

[@wintermute8315]

Vitality. Vite, not vitt. Vite-amins.

[@nissan_skyline]

What's your point behind calling out her pronunciation of vitamin?

[@arneruger2560]

the other shareholder runs a multi-billion dollar family business that he owns. Nobody on that Panel except Peter Jones comes anywhere near this man's relevance. They all acted shocked because instead of getting to run the show pushing around some relatively inexperienced young woman they knew they'd be dealing with someone who is at least as savvy as them. The dude didn't" think" he didn't need to come, he genuinely didn't need to come. That man makes 80.000 pound in the time it takes him to wipe his ass, why the hell would he personally fly to britain and beg for it on TV

[@markporter9186]

I’m out, and for that reason I’m Jenny

[@wysiwyg2006]

she ALWAYS finds an excuse not to make an offer

[@OFFICIALESSY]

John Cusick except when to add another Gin bottle to her collection...😂😂

[@redknight1825]

Ha ha ha ha

[@EnricoWack]

I spit out my coffee laughing

[@sleepypanda8578]

LOL

[@arihoma]

The whole thing was just a free advertisement for Katjes.

[@bobsaturday4273]

fairly obvious , those krauts are sneaky

[@katyb6979]

Cara Beaumore Unlike the Germans to be underhanded? Lol

[@haendel8a]

@Cara Beaumore looks pretty smart to me. Business is not about cuddling or being nice. She is an accomplished business woman and partnering up with a big corporation (3rd biggest candy producer in Germany which says a lot after Haribo and Storck) was a good decision. It is simply a question for the dragons whether they want to be her second biggest investor which is obviously not sth they feel very excited about

[@TheMrsorso]

Cara Beaumore Who cares? Nobody buys candy just from nice people, it’s only business and Katjes makes some great candys.

[@zgtern]

arihoma Thank you for visiting Magic Candy Factory! If you saw us on Dragon’s Den and would like to find out more about our amazing 3D candy printers and how we can make Magic at events, in retail or as a gift.

[@stephenhosking7384]

One of the Den's best, with great business lessons. Melissa's side of this Den episode is also worth reading, as I explain at the end. She was there for over three hours! The unravelling of the business structure first reveals a couple of serious problems in the pitch (ie. the ownership, and the absence of the majority shareholder), but as it's hammered in turn by each of the Dragon's, especially after Deborah's quick precis of the shareholder's agreement, we learn that the whatever a business does, and whoever is involved in the directorship and decision making, the business is under the control of the majority shareholders, and if the majority is a company, rather than an individual, then it's a "subsidiary" of that company. This explains Elon Musk and Twitter, and the "hostile takeovers" we sometimes see in the news. After watching the clip I felt that Melissa deserved to be destroyed as she was, but with a little research I found her side of the story, and now I'm not so sure it was really her fault. Primarily, the BBC approached Magic Candy Factory to appear, and the company provided full details of the share structure *before* appearing in the Den. Melissa also points out that 3 hours in the den was edited to 15 minutes. Lastly, she addresses something which has always concerned me - the amount of preparation required by a startup with a small team. I picture myself spending sleepless weeks preparing while also running my business, and then still getting roasted for missing something, or forgetting numbers which I must present from memory. ------------- “Obviously a huge amount of editing goes into each episode and they are only able to show around 15 minutes of each entrepreneur, when really I was in the Den for over three hours pitching and answering questions. Unfortunately my most memorable moments didn’t make it on air.” Snover says appearing on the show definitely raised her profile. “We have had a lot of enquiries through for both businesses as a result of appearing on Dragons’ Den, but I believe we could have achieved similar results had we focused the same time and resources into doing our own PR and marketing,” she adds. Would she recommend other companies, especially start-up, appear on the show? “For a start-up, the amount of due diligence and documentation you have to provide is extensive and can be a strain on a small team. The BBC approached us to go in the Den, and we provided all details of our shareholding before appearing on the show so I did find the way they edited the piece and the process overall a little frustrating. Having said that, it was certainly a learning curve and gave our brands some great exposure.”

[@davidbkopp]

Thanks for sharing all that!

[@pranavkarmarkar]

Thank you Mr. Hawking for doing us another great service even after your death

[@stephenhosking7384]

@@pranavkarmarkar You're welcome! I'm reconsidering my position on the afterlife, but am awaiting more evidence.

[@sierraraiderx2]

Upvoted for visibility. This clarifies so mu h

[@DjZephy]

So nice to see this perspective. Thanks for sharing

[@brianbru]

Wonder if Mr 90% was going to drop down to 88% or if she was about to drop from 10% to 8% lol - besides the Dragons usually want far higher percentages than what they're originally offered.

[@ajsmovieplace]

2% of her 10%. That’s why so low.

[@ajsmovieplace]

2% of her 10%. That’s why so low.

[@QemeH]

That lady wanted nothing but free advertisement. Katjes is a suuuper well known brand in Germany (it's actually third place behind Haribo and Storck on the sweets market here) and it has already branched into France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy and the US. This was obviously an attempt to break into the UK by establishing a bridge head in a niche market. The few thousand pounds are pocket money for Katjes and aren't needed if they actually have faith in their product, so the only reason to be on the show (with a 10% shareholder representing, no less, can't have the CEO of Katjes be in the UK for a day) is the free advertisement...

[@MermaidMakes]

QemeH my dad is from Solingen. We order the Katjes Kinder all the time since those are his favorite. I love them!

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

I'm not sure that's what _she_ wanted. I think that's what Katjes wanted, and they were able to manipulate her into thinking it was in her best interests. A lot of corporations do this, they don't even have to be big ones. Give your employees a stake in the company, a snazzy title ("CEO" or something), a handful of shares, some freedom for decision making, tell them they're a big part of a journey they can take together, make them feel invested in it. It makes them forget the fact the company actually still controls everything, still has final say. Imagine if they got a Dragon in. Nothing's stopping Katjes from then restructuring everything, expanding their full brand into UK, giving the Dragon more stake and ultimately writing her out of the picture, because she's just a nobody and a Dragon is a much bigger investor with more influence. It's funny actually that none of them made that point to her just to break her spell. She so believed she was an equal partner with so much authority, even though she only has a 10% stake.

[@mistralf1530]

It was a assault by a ruthless german businessman. The dragon descendants of Churchill correctly analyzed and neutralized the attack!

[@KillerTechniques]

I never saw this candy in Italy

[@QemeH]

@@KillerTechniques They own Sperlari, Saila, Dietorelle and Dietor in Italy ;)

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

Haha she tried to pull a fast one. She's just a saleswoman working for a company and has 10%.

[@hslmedia2663]

I wouldn't call her just a sales woman. She did get her vagen product into every major store in the UK and then sold the company for £60m to one of Germany's leading sweet companies. Then stuck 800k into a new company with said german company.

[@z00h]

@@hslmedia2663 "she (...) sold the company for £60m to one of Germany's leading sweet companies" I don't know where you pulled these statistics from, your anus?

[@ella-bt8hp]

@@z00h yeah were did 60 million come from?

[@johnnyconnelly7278]

@@hslmedia2663 If that were the case what the hell is she doing on dragons den making an arse out of herself?Shes trying to buy a franchise in a major company using the dragons cash.

[@hslmedia2663]

@@z00h no i checked linkedin then her past companies then checked the company records from CH and followed who was added as director's then checked the company share holders report. Really not that hard but then again, it might be for someone that throws insults over social media. Her past company she sold was renamed, you dont even need to go as deep as i went. You can see how much was paid by simply looking at the data on the accounts sheet of the brand that bought it. The reason i looked a little deeper is the company that bought it has a revenue of 5.78B and isn't katjes. As for my other statement you can look at whats shes doing now and clearly see she indeed owns 10% of katjes uk.

[@justanotherdoug2637]

I love Peter and Debra's friendship

[@kdmc40]

I'm really surprised Jenny didn't jump right in, she's such a risk taker!😂

[@colindouglas1997]

It’s now 2023 and your comment is still true! Hello 👋

[@Mania28]

Entrepreneur: I have an invention that will make you millions. Jenny:. Can I just stop you there. I'm out..

[@melindak6472]

Lol...😅

[@phabebarcelona863]

Lol I'm out

[@iwillknifeya]

Nice 😂

[@videoshintu]

@Sheryl T It's been around for years you unsalted dick nugget

[@fielaseanderkind7119]

@@videoshintu ahh cute, you all edgy and stuff.

[@arcticridge]

Can't tell if that lady in the red is disappointed or having a stroke

[@mrsomebody5087]

Lul

[@mooganify]

She’s having a stroke

[@SwrveYT]

Nah she’s just ‘out’ of it

[@trancemaster871]

She looks terrifying,

[@Siraj75]

The bloke in red is actually a lady!!!

[@abbysinister]

What she was here for is called shark tank effect. This is a great way to market products like these without having to spend a single penny on marketing.

[@atomato5378]

I love Deborah. She might not be the wealthiest, but unlike the other basically ALL of her businesses are highly consumer beneficial and are highly ethical. That CANNOT be said about the others, especially Peter and Touker

[@jazzabighits4473]

whyh do you say that about those two?

[@scottbernberg9046]

I’m a dark beer with a milky, malted consistency. And for that reason, I’m Stout.

[@woody41165]

I am a species of freshwater fish belonging to the genera Oncorhynchus, Salmo and Salvelinus, all of the subfamily Salmoninae of the family Salmonidae. And for that reason, I`m a trout.

[@_Jfb]

I am lack of confidence and uncertainty And for that reason, I'm doubt

[@howardsend6589]

J F B Weak.

[@dmark297]

Take your damn upvote.

[@hackedagain3421]

This thread is genius! 🤣🤣👍

[@1LoveGame2]

I didn't pay the rent this month and for that reason i'm out.

[@akumanoshi]

Your comment should have waaaayyyyy more likes than this lol!!!!

[@joshc1981]

You win the award for best comment

[@Luke_05]

EenBijVoegelijkNaamWoord HAHA ITS LATE SO IT TOOK ME LONG TO REALISE THE JOKE.

[@psisis7423]

And she says it in a slow, carefully reasoning voice

[@MegaScumbucket]

😂😂

[@Camberwell86]

Peter trying to do designer stubble... it just looks like he went out on Friday night and came home Monday morning 😅

[@WinstonSmith685]

Melissa: "Hello Dragons." Jenny: "Let me just stop you there, I'm out."

[@dm2060]

Melissa killing it on arm day though. Edit: well this thread blew up.

[@StevenM1]

Sean Wilkinson .... is that because they look like mans arms? 😂

[@EddieSpaghetti555]

@@StevenM1 Women can be fit and have muscles too, or have you never seen a woman in real life?

[@StevenM1]

Eddie Spaghetti ..... I like my women to look like women my friend, that’s all I’m saying. Maybe your’e confused, women are the ones with nothing dangling between their legs ........ you can thank me later

[@dm2060]

@@StevenM1 killing it on sexist day though.

[@StevenM1]

Debarka Mukhopadhyay ...,here we go, sjw alert!!! Get a grip on your oestrogen please, there is nothing sexist about the fact that I don’t like women that are built like men. Thanks for your concern sweetheart.

[@sfojulius]

Her company is owned mostly by Katjes? That’s a HUGE and popular candy company here. Why does she even need a dragon?

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

They probably sent her for free advertisement on TV. She doesn't need their money and she doesn't need their business connections.

[@GretatheEvilGremlin]

It's an interesting dynamic. She went in trying to wing it, and left after being shown it was her who's been had!

[@DaviesD85]

Because the 90% shareholder is a silent partner. He gave her money and left the day to day running of the business to her. He clearly can't be bothered to work on getting into UK markets himself.

[@AsitdyaDsr]

May be the German boss sent her to trap Tej Lalwani who runs a big vitamins business in UK.

[@imrank9282]

Tell me bout it, it was even popular here in Singapore when I was younger, I thought they were everywhere, a bit surprising to me the dragons don't know it

[@artemis01]

The way Jenny nibbled that candy made me unreasonably angry

[@abkhanjan2334]

exactly

[@GeoGuy388]

Entrepreneur: *starts talking about vitamins* *camera immediately pans to Tej*

[@paulthrutner9114]

Basically the product belongs to somebody else

[@ojosazules8828]

Well she owns 10% and had the cheek to act like it was her company....the 90% shareholder must have lost the plot if he thought the Dragons would negotiate with a 3rd party😉

[@borismuller86]

And she’s his minion!

[@joseki6644]

@Nnoitra Gilga Actually trust is important. I have a low opinion of the company and the competence of this woman. No confidence in either the philosophy nor the product. I won't be touching those jellies.

[@joseki6644]

@Cody Levinson Right and what a job she did. If they're willing to compromise on respecting the show with such low integrity, why should I believe they will respect their customers or deliver a product with integrity instead of pure profit margin? She's got their name out, and I'll remember it for sure. To avoid

[@iwillknifeya]

@@ojosazules8828 worth a shot though, hahaha 😂

[@Fielder5757]

So basically she went on the show for free publicity. This video is exactly what she wanted.

[@jdc4316]

You’re 100% correct lmfao. If you look up the site, it says ‘if you saw us on dragons den and would like to purchase, welcome aboard’ (or something like that ahahahha). Shits hilarious

[@nadia1994ization]

Fielder5757 plenty of people do that its not a new thing

[@myguykaikai9215]

Yes, and she clearly demonstrated how clueless and out of touch with reality she is. Something everyone aspires to.

[@FoobsTon]

That's what the whole show is about. There's no economic investing going on. It's a marketing show for all concerned including the "Dragons".

[@teds935]

@@FoobsTon Very true since they have to review contracts before investing and can dip out then. However, you still want to establish yourself as a good business in the eyes of the general public on this show, which she didn't do.

[@vansonhk]

Katjes: Free advertisements wow thank you dragons den 😂

[@wjatube]

Not disclosing the sell price of her former company and only owning 10% of her current company makes me suspect that she may not have sold her company for millions as she claimed.

[@MrSoldiersideBR]

I know I'm 3 years late, but watching it, I honestly think she sold her former company for the 10% ownership of that one

[@Irtikus]

Don Corleone: "I'm gonna make her an offer she can't refuse." Jenny: I'm out

[@seanheuston8677]

One of the best so far

[@Sorrelhas]

**Wakes up with a horse head on her bed** Jenny: Ugh! The nerve on this one!

[@liamcowley8630]

Martin Turesson 😂😂😂

[@FeechLaMannas]

She was refusing offers, two at a time!!

[@FeechLaMannas]

Miiiikke! You don’t come to London and speak to a man like Touker Sulyeman like THAT!

[@therecklessengineer5796]

I'm not even here to pitch anything today, I just want to give you £1million each and I don't want anything in return. Jenny: Yeah um, i'm out.

[@monalisapaudel9120]

The Reckless Engineer 😂😂😂

[@sadafahmadbreakfree9to5pri63]

Give it, give it all to me

[@Dino-Hrnic.]

After taxes im gonna have around 700000 and for that reason im out

[@melissamcclain34]

@3:57 😂😂😂😂 Jenny kills me with her facial expressions and then the absentee Willie Wonka comment had me rolling😂

[@CceddieH]

Jenny: I just don’t see it working for me and for that reason I’m out... Film crew: ahhh we haven’t started filming yet Jenny.

[@kiddfaith4397]

She says “I don’t really see it that way” as if that rewrites the facts.

[@VanceRefrigeration]

It’s the whole VoteLeave argument all over again

[@bethsweeney715]

@@VanceRefrigeration Alternative Facts here in the US where shes from, shes probably one of those anyway

[@pegleg2959]

She must be a democrat

[@kiddfaith4397]

@@pegleg2959 A Republican is more accurate. Seriously, Trump himself coined the phrase “Alternative Facts” to excuse inaccuracies and cries “Fake News” every time he hears something he doesn’t like. 😂

[@janm.4496]

@@kiddfaith4397 true

[@Omen0004]

Jenny *hears elevator* I'm out.

[@kishanjadeja6894]

😂haaaaaa

[@afrosymphony8207]

ahahahahahah

[@billgates9490]

Ahaha good one

[@LeoJr_]

VanillaJokes z😂😂😂

[@shy_sorai_vlogs]

Lol, Jenny was chewing like her dentures were gonna come out

[@biteme9371]

Very, very silly to think that you could enter the den with minimal ownership of your own business and not be questioned and ruined on it. Weird at the end that she was upset that the main conversation was about the business model rather than the product... does she not understand the show and how it works? 😂

[@acetown2263]

The producers really stuck to that "no cocaine on set" rule damn, they all bouta fall asleep.

[@servantkingtv2821]

lmao😂😂😂

[@bobsaturday4273]

this money grub tv put me to sleep , I'm out

[@_jd_261]

Jenny: "... You're very naive" Melissa: 👁👄👁

[@itsmebrittanyl]

More like: 👁-👁

[@DerekWong967]

Jenny: for that reason I'm a out

[@somebody9825]

very original comment well done

[@Gonken88]

It's 👁 👁 👄 you absolute nob.

[@Stephen_Codes-ol8in]

How could she seriously keep saying she didn't see it that way when it's clearly in the shareholders agreement?

[@joseki6644]

"I feel disappointed the discussion focussed around the ownership of the business" - she got lucky with her first business.

[@TomRNZ]

_Jenny's friend comes over to her house, knocks on the door, and there's no answer. She picks up the phone and calls Jenny._ *Friend:* Hey, Jenny, it's me. I'm at your house. Where are you? *Jenny:* Sorry, I'm out.

[@borismuller86]

PacificRimNZ I have a theory that Deborah was sick of all the “I’m out” jokes so she got Jenny in.

[@ravsingh1576]

😂

[@thevideoking1642]

I don’t get these Jenny things

[@TomRNZ]

@@thevideoking1642 That's no good, Video King. And for that reason, I'm out.

[@SolanaGalaxy]

The Video King the joke is that Jenny hardly ever invests in anything

[@noahstonemusic]

These so called 'entrepreneurs' aren't very smart are they... Don't they know that you never accept candy from strangers?!

[@lewishancock3526]

Not even 3D printed candy is safe from the hands of strangers.....

[@oviiembem6302]

but it is fine to accept candy from machine, you know "machine can't harm human"

[@RealityCheck6T9]

….they didn't accept candy from her

[@kanzaone]

@@RealityCheck6T9 they ate it in the beginning

[@prateek8055]

It's like first half she scores 3 goals, second half she concedes 4

[@1975normal]

Very smart questions. Great job on the Dragons part

[@Em-7Add11]

I'm in a nightclub and for that reason, I'm out out.

[@antonyevans9772]

I only popped out, but now I'm out out. Wasn't even going to go out.

[@corsacs3879]

Antony Evans Michael McIntyre!

[@clairenicol2918]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@basketanand]

Hahaha Micky

[@kc3654]

Corsacs 😅 its Micky Flanigen (sorry for my spelling)

[@Ayasir-lo3ir]

I'm getting tired of all these comments to do with Jenny on dragons den videos... And for that reason I'm out

[@annalecroix305]

Ahmed Yasir lmaoo

[@deanomcevoy]

😂 legend

[@Dino-Hrnic.]

Lool

[@floydhebert3684]

This is the only Jenny comment I liked lmao

[@rockroyaltymc]

@@floydhebert3684 and for that reason I'm out

[@adamrandles4055]

I’m stuck between two tiles and for that reason I’m grout

[@MusiceroWarehouse]

At 7:55, her “there we go”, really means “i’m screwed”.

[@Senate300]

The minute Melissa turned out to be a minority shareholder/junior partner/glorified employee in a business that is part of a global conglomerate based in Germany, the Dragons attitudes were collectively like "Well, what are we talking to you for?".

[@manoman0]

A try for an unfriendly take over of Tej's or Peter's enterprise. LOL

[@jietroraximoff2805]

That usually happens. There was a similar 90-10 situation with a guy with a device made to keep the fizz in champagne. If you are not the majority shareholder and you don't have at least one other shareholder waiting downstairs, then your pitch will collapse.

[@uncle-pete]

ok, Mondelez owns Cadbury. Imagine if this woman held 10% of the shares and kinda ran it, then went on this sham of a TV show where the Dragons are looking for little startups to support with an investment and their personal help, and said "I own this candy business"

[@Senate300]

@@uncle-pete My guess is the attitude would be like "You got a business up and running. What do you need us for and what's in it for us?".

[@Zyxnic]

Entrepreneur: Hello, Dra- Jenny: I’m out

[@shaylastaniland2169]

Matty Lazenby ha ha loool

[@gardensoflondonmwgs7836]

🤣😎👍👍

[@benkastberg]

Hahaha xD

[@Jane-ox9qg]

🤣🤣

[@cameronwallis7024]

The hard ass walk killed it for me on first impression, she looked like she was going to roundhouse the wall as she stormed out.

[@h__u851]

Deborah was really getting into the sweets 😂😂

[@ketaminewomble2562]

Elevator: *beeps Jenny: I’m out

[@-limebuster-6589]

Entrepreneur: Hi I’m from the magic candy factory Jenny: Hi, I’m from the magic never invest factory

[@astupidmidge]

-limebuster - I snorted out my Capri-sun from reading this 😂 And now my home button doesn’t work anymore *hello, darkness my old friend*😢

[@-limebuster-6589]

Jack Lin hahah Rip button 😵

[@fitzfitzchivalry4538]

@@astupidmidge really? From that shit?

[@darkability1393]

if you never invest, you never lose money!

[@MrCageCat]

@@astupidmidge Home Button: "I'm out."

[@ilovenutella_393]

2:56 Oh that blush ☺😊😅

[@RumoSenpai]

So, Katjes found her, bought into her company and just left her with just enough shares etc. to have her be an entry point to the british market?! Sounds smart on their part.

[@DomsDocs]

Crazy to see that. She was in denial and its sad to see. She got used by the major shareholder.

[@fairboro153]

I know this American guy in London that made a killing out of his stupid accent,..all because of the clueless nature of the English. I think she knows exactly what she's doing, its just a shame that on this occasion so did the Dragons!

[@RWoody1995]

@@fairboro153 same thing happens when you put a brit in america, the truth is everyone is clueless and flocks around someone with a different accent to what they're used to lol

[@fairboro153]

@@RWoody1995 Brits & Americans think of each other in a generally positive way. But, if she was Nigerian, Columbian, Bulgarian, Mongolian, etc, the difference would be viewed with serious suspicion. To note; as far as I know, not a single pitch made by someone with a weird accent ever got financial backing from any Dragon in the Den.... I think that says it all :)))

[@RWoody1995]

@@fairboro153 How about Levi Roots?

[@fairboro153]

@@RWoody1995 You should see the full clip of Levi Roots in the Dragon Den. The way Deborah cut him down. She set the tone for his near down fall. That piece of paper alone saved him.

[@Spreehox]

Tej, very calmly: I'm really, really annoyed about it

[@ironknight16]

Well some people can express annpyence in a calm and well composed manner which I give props to

[@HexaAngel]

I love how this American lady suddenly says "vitamin" in a British accent because of the Dragons. Peer pressure is real 😂

[@graham5426]

"The absentee willy wonker" 😂

[@knightwish5175]

It's so weird hearing an American woman asking for money in pounds! 😂🤣

[@knightwish5175]

@@ivancarlson953 No I'm afraid you are wrong there. She says 'Vitimins' like an American. The 'English/British' pronunciation is how he says it at 4:01. "FIT - A - MINS". Just replace the F with a V. Vit as in 'fit'.

[@ivancarlson953]

@@knightwish5175 I know, right!? American's say v'eye-tamins

[@psisis7423]

@@ivancarlson953 priivacy vs pryevacy

[@ivancarlson953]

@@psisis7423 yup. and controversy vs con-troversy etc etc

[@psisis7423]

@inside outside upside downside International investments are almost exclusively made in dollars. If they were to invest in an American company, I think they'd give the pitchers dollars. You would think all financiers are fluent in counting dollars. But they say pounds because Britain is watching the TV programme.

[@Arcon1337]

So she was offering a 2% stake of a 10% stake with no control over the product?

[@Lakota_Wolf]

🤷‍♀️

[@thealien_ali3382]

Yep 😄 stupidity

[@kwazzdamasta]

I was going to stop watching until I read this, thanks

[@Markhayes1963]

That's the best example of a snatching defeat from the jaws of victory you could ever see

[@higordomingos1930]

9:25 He looks so proud

[@clarkpatient7950]

Jenny makes so many judgemental faces, is it really necessary..

[@PointNemo9]

They are edited in for effect

[@clarkpatient7950]

@@PointNemo9 Yeah I remember one of the people who went on said they didn't notice as many as were in the final edit, so maybe it's fully the edit room!

[@PointNemo9]

@@clarkpatient7950 I think that is the reason why they also wear the same clothes for so many episodes.

[@amir123786]

Ollie Clark she’s a shit house her family members sell drugs and are thugs in the north. She’s only invests in people she can manipulate.

[@macaulayrose]

She’s useless to the show anyway. Never invests and even when she does nobody accepts her lol. She should be replaced.

[@rhyljones5051]

Katjes got what they wanted from the start - national brand exposure.

[@SDeww]

yep, either this woman is very stupid, or she is very deceptive, either way not someone you want to do business with!.,

[@danwaters7781]

Oh Thank god!!!! Someone who actually thinks outside the box.

[@stuartlawsonbeattie6200]

@@danwaters7781 it's in the can, not the box.

[@KP-qe8ie]

Yeah, negative exposure maybe

[@jamietauber6680]

@@KP-qe8ie well kinda doesnt matter.. the. Are the 3rd biggest candy comapny in germany

[@jutjub01]

They found her business bitter sweet

[@chrisw5738]

“This could further sour the mood in the den” haha these puns from the voiceover are actually too much 😂

[@flagofnorthmacedonia5120]

Jenny: I exist, and for that reason, I'm out

[@champagnesupernova777]

“I’m disappointed that the main part of the conversation was about who owns the business...” UHHHH WELL DUH!! You’re talking to investors!

[@svampebob007]

I really like shows like dragons den and shark tank, but I don't like how the main part of the shows is about ownership and money.

[@diemyfriend]

@@svampebob007 so you like the show that is about investing money to get % of ownership but you don't like the part of it that is about the money and ownership? interesting

[@pertnerk]

@@svampebob007 ...how do you think investing in companies works?

[@romaingay-crosier7694]

yeah... but she doesnt see it like that in real life... ;)

[@willinton06]

@@pertnerk well you ask nicely and if they like you they give you a piece right?

[@iawig7685]

Rene Descartes: I think, therefore I am" Jenny: I am, therefore I'm out!

[@CesarGonzalez-ty8bo]

Another annoying “entrepreneur” looking for free marketing. Can the producer filter these out??

[@1onlyme120]

But those are the most cringe! Aka the best ones 😂