Dream Admits He Cheated, Luckiest Zelda Speedrun Destroyed - Speedrun News

[@wish]

Man I just hate it when I accidentally cheat in a game I'm an expert on but somehow don't notice until months later, happens all the time.

[@wafflesforlunch7798]

I was playing Warzone and Accidentally installed aimbot so its fine

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Accidentally on purpose. Happens to the best of us. No, literally. Dude's got over 22 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. Who said cheaters don't prosper? [sigh]

[@Kirply]

@@abloogywoogywoo that’s exactly why I hate the guy, he cheats and have fans send death threats and when he gets caught he says “oopies I had a mod that I used in my speedrun, definitely didn’t try to do all I can to get out of this situation first”

[@oyah999]

It's even harder to believe that he accidentally cheated since a mod that specifically changes drop rates should have been the first thing that he would check for, since he makes his video with these mods. But instead his first reaction wasn't to check for something wrong on his end, it was to lash out at the moderators. On top of that, the mods even gave him an out, and actually did ask him if he accidentally cheated and to let them check his mods folder... but then he goes ahead and "deletes it out of frustration". NGL this whole thing really just makes Dream look like a really shady liar who knows he can easily manipulate his own fans.

[@tekkeX]

@@abloogywoogywoo cheaters don't prosper, but people who manipulate millions of children for self-gain unfortunately do

[@talkgomilk]

Sorry I slipped and accidentally cheated on my speedrun, Insulted the mods, had my fans harass multiple people, and have a mathematician from Harvard try to defend me.

[@mr.sir0035]

Oopsie 🤷‍♂️

[@TheEverglader]

And the Harvard mathematician wasn't even real smh

[@mystcat3]

Get this pinned, no way all that was an "Accident"

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Question, did he actually outright tell his fans to attack... or are you just saying that because some of his fans were jerks and decided to attack?

[@as3609]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 No he didn't say that outright - but he knows he has HUGE influence over millions of tiny little babies who would die for him, and he didn't tell them NOT to, which any responsible person would.

[@sparki9085]

Didn't he get told to check his mods folder, and then he just got more pissed off? Seems like this could've been solved in a week if he just said "oops accidentally used a mod that I use for recording youtube vids!" But no, we got the months long saga of everyone knowing he cheated, and him just not caring about his fans sending death threats

[@Jafus1]

Glad I'm not the only one remembering this. I'm fairly certain the mods asked him at one point to ship them his whole game folder with the worlds in them for further testing, which he denied them the access to and/or said some reason or another why he couldn't.

[@dugtrioramen]

He intentionally cheated and now that he thinks no one will care he comes out before he gets exposed some other way

[@Wingingvoice]

I’m retry sure the thing that gave him I know was a plug-in he made for his videos

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

@@Jafus1 He said he deleted it out of frustration, then changed his story to having swapped it around with other folders. But if either of those were true, then how was he able to check the exact mod all this time later? But somehow not at the time?

[@ChJuHu93]

@@BroudbrunMusicMerge Given this whole drama I'd say 10€ on: The mods got their hands on a clip/picture of his mod folder, found the one responsible, kindly asked in private and now he just tried to be ahead of the wave.

[@leonfire99]

So supposedly Dream knew of this mod's existence, didn't tell anyone about it, blatantly denied cheating, still didn't tell anyone about the mod, got proved as much as he could be that hew as a cheater, and now he says that he accidentally left this mod on that he uses for other things. If anyone still believes that he didn't do it on purpose I've got a nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I kinda want to believe him if he really didn't know. On the flipside, he knows they're using mods to up those droprates in their videos, so why wouldn't your first reaction upon being accused be to double-check

[@sneko2860]

@@MaakaSakuranbo exactly if you were innocent and knew that you used a mod that causes what you were accused of you would be like "Shit my bad I forgot to turn off my mod." Not "No I'm not cheating you're cheating."

[@carto4028]

If i made a mod that raises drop chances and then i had raised drop chances, the FIRST thing id think is my mod that raises drop chances.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Many mods exist used for personal groups, I've moded games like DST for personal use. I've asked for help with mods for personal use. Just because you have something doesn't mean you'll share it because you feel it is only for personal use. If I were to commission a mod to help improve my run times when practicing I would do the same. "I want it to ensure optimal and consistent runs so I can test after the pearls more frequently and perfect that part so I don't mess up." It would be very easy to mess up with and accidentally leave on if you've been practicing a lot recently and just forgot... that being said Dream probably did lie. Lying means taking a plausible scenario and this causes people to doubt the validity of the scenario forcing those like me to step in because I have to defend the fact it is plausible. So while Dream is likely a lying jerk... I also have to defend his statements as they can be true. Dream cheated.

[@indescribableemptiness4104]

@@MaakaSakuranbo if he really didn’t know it just means that his ego is big enough that he chose to be willfully ignorant. Which I’d say isn’t much better than being purposely disingenuous. Especially with how long he chose to run this out with the obvious cheating, and didn’t he say that he “deletes the mod folder regularly”? This is just showing his character more than anything.

[@leoseek4395]

Tbh if he said "oh i forgot to take the mod off after manhunt" immediately after he was accused I would probably accept it. But the fact that its been like six months and he made this huge deal out of it by hiring an astrophysicist and stuff and then suddenly changing his mind is really weird

[@cfilorvyls457]

just a PR move to get sympathy from his fans. Nothing surprising at all coming from a sociopath like him

[@RubberDucky757]

Literally damage Control is all it is. Many people have touched upon it and he's probably getting salty the speedrun community won't accept him anymore.

[@pointing11037]

Or even if he admitted like "yes I did have a mod that increased some of my drop rates. I sometimes use it while I live stream because the main priority while I'm speed running is entertainment, KZbin is my priority so I'd prefer to make an entertaining speed run rather than a legit one. What I did wrong was actually putting my times up on the speedruning leaderboard while knowing my run wasn't 100% legit. I'm sorry for that and will personally remove any other runs I've submitted that aren't legit." So he could have given an honest apology while also giving a reason for having the mod in the first place.

[@Ace-385]

@@kevinbissinger If he had told people the moment he found out, it wouldn't have escalated any further. He wasn't helping anyone (not to say that he's the one that made the situation worse to begin with)

[@MercuryA2000]

Yea, its the length of time and the reaction that make me think he's full of it. If he'd admitted it even when the math came out and said "I didn't realize how insane it was, but maybe I left one of my manhunt mods on" I'd say yea, you're good. The sudden crystal clarity months later though? That's BS and he knows it.

[@TrackpadProductions]

I'm pissed off that he cheated. But I'm so, _soooooo_ much more pissed off at how he handled being caught.

[@carto4028]

I too make mods to raise drop chances and then dont check if i enabled my mod i made to raise drop chances when i get called out for having higher drop chances.

[@TheGrimbler]

@@carto4028 then clears my mod folder

[@Ace-385]

@@TheGrimbler Out of frustration, of course

[@charteon9092]

@@Ace-385 don’t forget to blame the mods for your rancid fan base to attack them, when they were just doing there job, and he supported what they did when they did it to drem.

[@charteon9092]

@Stellvia Hoenheim wouldn’t be surprised

[@doga5899]

He didn't "accidentally cheat" it was on purpose, how come when he was asked to provide his mod folder he claimed it was deleted, but now he suddenly has it?

[@kh_qft762]

You a sharp boi. I think you just proved he is BS'ing

[@Sevicify]

He claimed he constantly changes the mods in the folder depending on version and what he's doing and that by the time the mods asked for the folder he had already changed them, and he claimed he deleted his speedrunning mods folder after the mods had already asked for everything. His argument of changing the mods for different usages does make sense, it however completely falls apart knowing he had a mod that adjusted the rates he used in other videos and said nothing of or even considered the possibility it may have still unknowingly been in use during the runs. So the only reasonable conclusions is he either intentionally used it or realised he accidently left it on but tried to save face by keeping it a secret hoping the accusations would blow over, either way he definitely lied and I'm leaning heavily towards the former of intentional use.

[@DumbHashtag]

all i gotta say is that hes smart, all this died down then he brings it up again keepin his name relevant. If he doesnt care about the bad publicity

[@AlexanderDivineEmcee]

@@DumbHashtag tru. I heard someone else say that chances are if you arent part of the speedrunning community you probably dont care at all whether he cheated or not, and the speedrunning community isnt what makes him that sweet, sweet ad revenue, so for him its just free clout... thinking about this now, didnt he just release a song the other day 🧐

[@finian2]

@@DumbHashtag bruh, the man got 41 million views on his most recent video. I doubt he truly cares about a tiny bit more publicity.

[@agent_w.]

everyone is giving props to Dream for confessing but honestly I don’t agree. His confession was more like a “oopsie didn’t mean to cheat”. He also called the moderators who were only doing their jobs biased clout chasers and sent his huge fanbase to attack all of them. He also lied about hiring an “astrophysicist” to lie further. Dream doesn’t deserve any credit or praise if you ask me.

[@DemonLordSparda]

It's obviously good he finally admitted it, but he doesn't deserve praise. As you said he harassed people for calling him out for the better part of a year. He didn't make amends, he didn't even really apologize.

[@Pyroniusburn]

Not to mention his initial "apology" is completely back-handed and continues to talk shit about the moderators, calling their response unprofessional. Only amending that after people calling him out for it.

[@sunbleachedangel]

He confessed fucking after how many months of this drama?? What a fucking hero!

[@Garadares]

IMO, he played along with the cheating just to get attention and new positive/negative fame. Pretty scummy, but his plan worked I suppose.

[@DaltonDaDigga]

I kind of disagree. For one he really made a point to say that the way he treated the mod team was bad and that he was stupid for doing it. He also did unequivocally admit to cheating. Of course he’s gonna tell the story that makes him look good and I mean yeah I don’t believe him. I guess I wouldn’t give him praise either but the analogy isn’t nothing

[@sunbleachedangel]

He didn't even confess, he just said "my runs were cheated but it wasn't ma fault" which is still false. Edit: And then tries to bribe with $50K, what a guy

[@kawan3661]

Im pretty sure george have something to do with it...

[@carto4028]

@@kawan3661 How so?

[@kujo62]

The $ goes in front of the number

[@DarkIzo]

@@kujo62 *40,95K€

[@thekycklingwizard78]

It’s fine to not like the guy or forgive him, but that $ probably helps the community quite a bit so I’d rather people not criticize that part of it.

[@Jrose11]

Hey dude, just wanna say it's so nice seeing you back making videos again, I hope everything is good! Keep up the great work!

[@mutedknght]

Speaking of a long content hiatus. Where my new videos jrose

[@wansichen3743]

@@mutedknght o.o exposed haha

[@markiemarkmar]

Totally agree.

[@octolockg5059]

Had no idea the J and EZ were friends. MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE.

[@MeruXYZ]

Its ma boy jrose. Hope you're doing well.

[@aguyfromnz537]

Oops I accidentally installed a cheat mod and deleted my mod folders after every run

[@LordDragox412]

@@CrambobulousRichard I mean, seems pretty logical to me. If you're a killer and they want to look at your murder weapon, it's better to throw it out and lie. He's not a clown, just a psycho, that's all :P

[@dylanm6956]

@@LordDragox412 yet that makes him even more suspicious which if he was infact innocent he would've sent and kept it for then mods to see, not 'delete it in frustration'

[@skeletonwar4445]

"Damn I got this gun here that the cops told me was suspected to be the murder weapon. Grr I'm so mad at the cops that I accidentally completely broke the gun into a thousand pieces. But I totally didn't do it to destroy evidence or anything, believe me."

[@Greigames]

5:07 that’s not if you encounter a shiny in 4 hours, that’s if it took 4 hours to encounter A Pokémon, and then having to go through that for every encounter to find a shiny

[@EZScape]

I am a certified idiot, forgive me

[@Greigames]

@@EZScape all good lol, just trying to illustrate how it's even more rare

[@SilimSavertin]

"Sorry that I couldn't browbeat everyone into accepting my cheated run"

[@ADR69]

It's kind of sad how obvious this cheating was

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

>cheats in literally every mc speedrun >"accidentally" leaves drop mods on wow how surprising

[@indescribableemptiness4104]

@@Intestine_Ballin-ism who are you quoting

[@exi_dudi2037]

@@indescribableemptiness4104 he obviously quotes dream with ""acidentally"".

[@nooooooooooooooooo88]

@@indescribableemptiness4104 Quotation marks can be used to mark an insincere tone of a word in English

[@literallycool]

@@indescribableemptiness4104 baste

[@thekinglydragon]

The fact that the two worlds I follow of math KZbin and speed running collided to make EZ recommending a Matt Parker video is something I never would've guessed 6 months ago, but I am very happy for

[@abletodoit3051]

It's a dream come true

[@hhaavvvvii]

Honestly, that video from Matt Parker is the most valuable thing to come out of the whole thing.

[@Miju001]

I feel the same way

[@SillacSaurfang]

“Accidentally cheated” The sad bit is that middle school marks will believe this.

[@RobertEPS12]

Great use of the word "mark"

[@retrokoh]

The term mark applies perfectly here... Well done

[@RobertEPS12]

@Stellvia Hoenheim A "mark" is used as term for wrestling fans who buy too much into the storyline and believe the tale being told. Dream's fans are buying into what Dream says regardless of evidence, making them marks

[@hipnog8002]

​@@RobertEPS12 Adding on to this, a "mark" is also someone who's the target for being hustled/scammed. Still works given the context.

[@UrFavoriteZombie]

It does work indeed

[@s0mniosidae]

"admits" yeah like we needed his word on it to make sure

[@nafin9063]

Yes we did to be 100% sure since probabilities are rarely 100% such as the estimated chance of him cheating which fell short by a small fraction of a percent.

[@legendslayer6558]

@Dave Cordero it was improbable it was a legit run

[@V2ULTRAKill]

@@legendslayer6558 to be precise So improbable that its impossible for verification reasons

[@TheAbsol7448]

@@nafin9063 1 in trillions might as well be 100% impossible.

[@skeletonwar4445]

@@nafin9063 Anyone who says shit like that just makes clear how little they understand about statistics. It's technically statistically possible for all of your atoms to vanish into thin air out of nowhere. It's technically statistically possible for you to spontaneously combust, leaving you as a pile of ashes. Are these things statistically impossible? No. Are they going to happen? No.

[@Darkness2Maxrocko]

"Unknowingly using a mod to change drop rates"

[@wellsgrant12]

Right!? Doesn't minecraft tell you about three different times that your install has been altered?

[@RaynmanPlays]

@@wellsgrant12 Pretty sure it shows up in the logs, too, so it would have to have been edited out.

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

@@RaynmanPlays Interesting, are the logs submitted along with the speedrun?

[@RaynmanPlays]

@@MaakaSakuranbo Yeah, that's the point. Submissions include the log, which means they would have to have been edited. I think everyone is just sick of all this, though, and the moderation team is tired of the constant harassment, so they don't want to press the issue.

[@ToyokaX]

​@@MaakaSakuranbo Normally I don't think so, but when the investigation occurred, I'm pretty sure the moderators asked for the logs and I believe I heard somewhere that Dream edited his logs before sending them.

[@astralaris8712]

How does someone FORGET that you are using Mods? Even with Minecraft, the first thing i would have done after the speedrun got refused is check if i still had any Mods installed?!

[@marceljones7940]

he didn't forget. he is lying

[@prekatori]

Woops totally didnt think about that mod I am using that does exactly what they said I did

[@ikejohnson5494]

Hah! I brought up the potential of dream accidentally cheating really early on. It’s such an obvious thing to fall back on. But the fact that he took this long to conceive of it shows that it was no accident. He literally possessed a mod that does the precise thing he was accused of. How could he not consider the chance.

[@AkkumuLBC]

Dream be like: "Oopsie doopsie poopsie whoppsie! I made a fucky wucky! Just let me send my stans to hunt you down for trying to call me out on something I am guilty of! Luv ya~" Seriously, he's a joke.

[@martmine4618]

Damn that's every dream post.

[@LordDragox412]

He's not a joke. Jokes don't hurt people, unlike Dream. The only good thing about him is that he didn't go the route of his idol, CryWasTaken and groomed and abused his underage stans. Yet.

[@AkkumuLBC]

@@LordDragox412 Wouldn't be surprised if he does, to be honest.

[@sloth3046]

@@AkkumuLBC “16 is legal” he said to tommyinnit. 😐

[@AnderEvermore]

@@sloth3046 In Britain 16 is the legal age of consent and Tommy is from Britain so technically that is correct. Just the law is more complex when you look deeper into it.

[@TayoEXE]

The issue lies in that even if it was true that he "accidentally" cheated, his attitude was not coming from one of any humility. He admitted he never even considered the possibility that there was something wrong with his odds. He should have considered the possibility that he could have been wrong in the first place and made sure to dispel any doubts for himself or others. Otherwise, it's very likely he knew all along and is just trying to save face.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

If there is something wrong with his odds... then the Earth shouldn't exist. That is the problem, yes he cheated and was a monster... but the odds don't matter at all by any stretch. Have you heard of Gambler's Fallacy? A 50% chance doesn't mean you'll win in 2 attempts, if you assume that you'll lose more often then you think. While the odds of losing 3 times at 50% is low that 2nd loss is still 50% and that 3rd is still 50%, you have incredible odds of losing each time. Each one is an individual 50% chance without any influence on other odds. Likewise games like Minecraft use an algorithm for randomness... meaning it is possible to get higher then normal odds as the algorithm needs to only have the option to get a high number of positives in a short time... which if it uses time (As they often do) this means the right date could give you higher odds then normal. To put it bluntly, there is no way to safely speedrun Minecraft anymore without risk of getting lucky and being banned by the community. If you get 2 incredible runs in a row... you better start recording some runs where you get bad luck and stop streaming to avoid this mess. Dream cheated, he did bad stuff... BUT that doesn't excuse how Minecraft's community has created "Getting lucky" as a offense as when you rely on numbers alone the Earth shouldn't exist nor should we.

[@98danielray]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 "the earth shouldnt exist" is a bs excuse. those "chances" are given by probability illiterates who keep appealing to the waterpond fallacy. that has nothing to do with getting *insane* odds. no lucky run will be getting more than a one in a billion chance *after* adjusting for a bunch of things.

[@98danielray]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 also, the gamblers fallacy plays no role in this. this has nothing to do with it. considering a series of events instead of a single one does not imply one affects the other.on the contrary, the precise reason why it is so unlikely to get those odds is because the rngs dont affect each other, as explained by the video the mod released at first, which was very simple.

[@98danielray]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 also, your example is bad. "does not mean you will win in 2 attempts". yes, but youd have a 1/2^50 chance of not winning 50 times in a row, which is more comparable to this case

[@Guztav1337]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 odds of winning the lottery are incredibly low, yet people win lottery every day. Even multiple people win lottery every day. The catch is in the numbers of tries. You should watch the video "How lucky is too lucky" if you actually care and not just simp for Dream.

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

We shouldnt ignore the fact that this _is_ a confession that Dream's Manhunt series and etc has always been modded instead of playing on vanilla Minecraft like it was presented. It's not quite the same thing as cheating on a registered speedrun but it's still a breach of audience trust. It would not have killed the series to have a simple disclaimer explaining droprates were made more favourable to prevent the challenges from being too reliant on randomness.

[@prekatori]

I actually saw people defending him saying "it's his content so who cares if he uses mods" as if he didnt upload his speedrun to the leaderboards.

[@qwart22]

Why are you so bothered if his challenge videos are modded, they arent competitive like speedrunning

[@uwuifyingransomware]

@@qwart22 it's not the fact that his videos are modded, but rather that they're presented as vanilla / unmodded. I can see how that would be questionable, because (while inconsequential aside from speedrun leaderboards) the state of the game is different to what is stated or implied

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

@@qwart22 As I said, it's about a breach of trust. _IF_ he had a disclaimer there'd be no issue and I'd *agree* that the mod makes the challenges more fair and interesting to watch. It's about a lack of transparency/lying by omission. There was no good reason for Dream to be deceptive about it, but he did it anyway.

[@kaiden7063]

@@darthvaderreviews6926 nah hes pretty open about it. he mentions it often just about everywhere except the manhunts to make it feel more exciting because you arent thinking about it. hell even in the manhunt videos themselves they talk about needing to reset often because dream will die immediately off the spawn

[@Savariable]

The intro was perfect

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

If he hadn't literally lied to everyone AND had confessed back when the mods called him out maybe I would have some respect for Dream lmao

[@chasesigler9885]

Literally the story makes his ego seem unbearable

[@charlieterrell8501]

The whole “I accidentally left the mod on” excuse would have actually been good if he didn’t spend a year denying he used mods to cheat😂

[@KetsubanSolo]

And this is why I always scoff when people say "Oh this guy donates thousands to the community/charity/whatever, he's a good guy." Anyone can donate money, and usually the ones that have to brag about it are probably (in their mind) trying to compensate for less-than good behavior.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Donations actually give you tax breaks, so you can save money by donating especially if you donate money others give to you. Big companies when you donate to help X group actually make a "profit" off of you due to tax breaks it gives them.

[@TheJadeFist]

Hell alot of charities aren't even exactly as good of causes as they pretend to be. You support doctors without borders (MSF), and you end supporting illegal immigration and human trafficking and as well warmongering propaganda. I'm sure most people donate to charities in good faith, but they're also the huge legal tax evasion and money laundering issue that comes about from it as well. You have super rich people who donate to charities they have some controlling factor in or associated with another organization that those charities hire, and suddenly that money can come right back to them. Charities can be good, I believe that they can be, but they can also just be giant scam and there is a huge financial and political incentives that simply corrupt.

[@KittyKatty999]

Large donations to charity is Super Villain Trick No.1, in making yourself look like a good person, and being able to get away with bad shit. This isn't a video game where you can kill a town of people, and reset your Karma Level with huge donations to charity.

[@customizationhere1397]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 don't forget the part where they make multimillion dollar commercials bragging that they gave $100,000 in charity.

[@TheAbsol7448]

You know who else donated to the community? Mini Ladd.

[@Livingroomset799Dep]

Previous cheater admits to cheating, more at 7

[@micramism6431]

*current cheater

[@Linkus7]

Awesome to see you covering the Wind Waker HD Progression again on this channel, it’s crazy how much the Speedrun has changed in just the last 2 years! I definitely recommend checking out the full breakdown video if people are interested in Wind Waker Speedrunning!

[@theftking]

Anyone who believes Dream cheated “by accident” is a naive fool. He knew what he was doing. Nobody who knows a game _that_ well could neglect to realize that they’re getting waaay too lucky with their drops... over and over.

[@daimahou3951]

If I was the one playing, the only thing I could possibly overlook would be getting enough blaze rods that quickly. The pearls on the other hand would be comical from the get-go. Now do that 5-6 times? I would definitely re-check things.

[@Mswordx23]

Stans: Omg Dream's such a good person owning up to mistakes Me: Why did it take him six months

[@markusmitchell8585]

And it took him getting caught

[@nepnep1149]

*Guys don’t worry I watched him do the records myself.-Todd Rogers*

[@segafreak2000]

You mean Todd Togers.

[@TheGleely]

@@segafreak2000 that's pretty Toggers

[@charlessegale6493]

@@segafreak2000 Aha. A fellow Absolute Legend, I see.

[@one1blue]

Todd Rodgers, Billy Mitchell, and Dream. A trio that truly belong together.

[@senboy9002]

@@TheGleely that's Tretty poggers

[@329link]

How does he explain the mod folder not immediately giving him away? "Oops I accidentally hid the evidence that shows how I accidentally cheated."

[@wareforcoin5780]

In conclusion, don't cheat in speedrunning, because astrophysicists will come out of the woodwork to prove that you did it.

[@uwuifyingransomware]

Aspiring physicist here, can confirm that this community has a surprising amount of crossover with the speedrun community

[@revaryk6868]

Really? That's cool, actually!

[@jeremypedersen6894]

Person who very much enjoys math. Don't mess with the math community. It's a very *passionate* place in concerns to math. You might get into quite the rare accident if you dare say zero isn't a number levels of passionate.

[@frogfarmer3551]

Ok dream. You didn't know. Sureeee. You've been playing Minecraft longer than those mods have even existed. Not a chance in hell you got so many pearls and didn't think something was up. Also if you were somehow unaware and people called you a cheater, wouldn't you immediately check to see if you had the mods on?

[@hasanmuttaqin464]

yes, he supposed to realize already that there's mod since game log is required to issue a speedrun, he should be aware when people called him acheater and rethink again, however, if you're ingame... even if the drop(rate, not quantity) is multipled by five, it's still hardly noticable

[@frogfarmer3551]

@@hasanmuttaqin464 with the odds that are quoted it seems like alot more than a 5x chance

[@hasanmuttaqin464]

@@frogfarmer3551 yeah, that's fair, i mean, 70% ender pearl trade is sus

[@frogfarmer3551]

@@kingweezel i hope this clown is banned from submitting speed runs

[@ectothermic]

You have to submit your minecraft logs when you submit a speedrun. If nothing else that PROVES that he cheated, and on purpose, because he would have had to edit those so that mods didn't immediately catch it.

[@kujo62]

I think we should give him a break. He was clearly going for cheat%

[@notnullnotvoid]

Imagine you sometimes use a mod that you know increases the drop rates of certain items. Then, some of your speedruns are analyzed and found to have increased drop rates of those same items. No matter how low your IQ is, it would not take you 5 months to connect the dots and think "oops, maybe I left that mod enabled".

[@christian5256]

It's also apparently really obvious to players when the mod is on. Smallant has been playing with it and said it feels like playing on easy mode. Dream would have felt it *while playing* that the drop rates were off.

[@uwuifyingransomware]

The dream fanbase is wild. My school has uniforms, but we had a free dress fundraiser day this week. The number of people in dream cosplay was just astounding. To make it weirder, lots of them were trying to defend this whole cheating thing to students and teachers who just don't care or don't even know what this is.

[@bransonallen2925]

Man I wish I didn't graduate right before the big KZbinr boom. I would have killed to see some Ninja Fortnite cosplayers in school.

[@AlanKocisMusic]

Its my personal mission to harass dream fans at my school

[@marissahicks3529]

@@AlanKocisMusic Thank you for your service

[@VeritasGames]

I'll wager a nickel our understanding about the locked ambulance rng isn't correct and something else was at play the caused it. hmmmm

[@SSAS1129]

nah

[@gefitrop3496]

Funny coincidence your name literally means truth in latin xD

[@undead_inside8634]

he forgot he was using the locked ambulances mod :/

[@AliensAreNoobs]

My thoughts exactly. But who can say for sure!

[@davidlevy706]

Agreed. Various aspects of glitches can go largely unnoticed and unexplored, due to their irrelevance to the benefits sought. It's plausible that some sort of impact on RNG is a heretofore-undetected side effect of instapassing.

[@unwritten_zephyr]

I just want to say that him admitting that he uses these mods during manhunt is incredibly damning. Even in the best case scenario, if he really didn’t know these were installed, he could have been like “whoops my bad” and took the run down. Instead he threw a tantrum on twitter, used his fanbase for harassment, and strung this along for six months. He’s a cheater, and I’m glad he’s no longer apart of the community.

[@penseursauvage]

Dream be like : _"Actually, I forgot that i had a mod enabled that does specifically what i was accused of doing. Also, I just remembered now that it's something we were doing on a daily basis, after several months of strongly denying having altered the drop rates and pretending I had no idea what was the matter with my run. Like i was brushing my teeth and i was like "hooo right ! The drope-rate mod ! I forgot to remove it before competing for the world record, silly me !". "._ Sure thing dream. Sure thing.

[@purplequeer]

Dream lied, blamed others, paid a professional to lie for him, and paid his way out when he got caught.. He would do really well as a politician

[@ethohalfslab]

5:05 I believe you misspoke here. What you meant to say is "Imagine if each pokemon encounter took you 4 hours", not each shiny encounter.

[@Floh2802]

Imagine cheating in a car race and "accidentally" using some kind of modification to win you used in a non professional setting. You'd need to be really dense and entitled to think this isn't your fault and an accident. You used the mod, you won because of the mod and this wouldn't have happend without the mod. On top of it you insult people who found out you cheated in some way and get yesmen around you to defend you and STILL thinking its not your fault. Absolutely stupid.

[@ZX3000GT1]

Tell that to Toyota. At least they didn't use insults though, but still.

[@hyanehighoctane]

"cheating in a car race" Boy does the trackmania community has news for you

[@OnyxMusic]

I never realized how that scene with patrick was the perfect summary of the bs Dream would come up with, love you EZ lmao

[@Kpsla]

He's not lying when he said it was an accident. Not that he cheated by accident though, it was an accident that he got caught. >If the mod team had been impartial it might have been different Mod team: "Hey can we see your mod folder so we know you didn't cheat?" Dream: *Groans of increasing discomfort

[@marissahicks3529]

Is that a Fire Emblem Fates reference I see?

[@houraisheperd9721]

Dream cheating is proof that no matter how blatantly you lie about something, people will believe you even if your defence is "nuh uh."

[@VanArtic]

Dream was such a snake about the whole thing, deliberately waiting for people to move on from it to minimize damage control.

[@Pedropapt]

"I had plenty off reason to believe they weren't impartial" That line just fills me with so much rage. See, it's the mods fault he didn't realize it sooner because... they were right and he was cheating, I guess. Legit blaming everyone else for his """mistake""".

[@parchmentengineer8169]

Speedrunners usually: "If we spend months optimizing this miniscule segment, we can shave off 0.01 seconds from the WR" Speedrunners wasting five whole seconds for a joke: "nice"

[@de_3897]

“It never ocurred to me I could be cheating” Oh my GOD I can’t stand this dude

[@ekyanso4253]

Dream let all the fame go straight to his head. He's self absorbed and downplays his toxic behaviour and his fans'. I don't buy his apology for one second, it's all damage control after his army of toddlers already harassed the speedrunning mods for months on end.

[@bradwurst8141]

Really hate basically everybody that gets an undeserved massive following, worse yet the dude thought being routinely absurdly lucky was normal? Truly bullshit and I hope he becomes less successful

[@JoJoestar]

idk if it's disturbing to anyone else that he openly admitted to cheating and his hardcore fans are like "oh it's totally fine :)"

[@biggiecheese2544]

No, it's highly disturbing how far Dream's fans will go to blindly defend him

[@carto4028]

Yeah but are you suprised?

[@asai6201]

oh but ask them about Drem and they will all go full attack mode, just see.

[@someguy0987]

This is the world we live in. It gets worse with politics (not gonna say names...). There are people who will blindly follow others as long as they make them feel something (joy, hope, etc.). This is why Religions, Cults, and other organizations are able to thrive. People who don't think for themselves will do anything for their idols, even when they are proven wrong with evidence. I don't know why there are a ton of people like this, but it is startling to think just how many there truly are who will follow a blind man in the dark.

[@cheese_6931]

Stop attacking dream idiots

[@OmoiSenpai]

4:11 TheTommyMann pretty much summed it up.

[@player-8740]

Ah yes, the hyporcyte's prayer. A classic

[@player-8740]

A narcicist's prayer*, my bad

[@bernds6587]

was about to respond the very same. I strongly dislike people who think they can just throw some money in, and all is good again. No matter if online or in real life.

[@OmoiSenpai]

@@bernds6587 Same. Donating money with a motive to patch up a wrong, doesn't feel right. But of course, there would be those kind of people who will say dumb things like "oh well how much did you donate?" And miss the whole point. T_T

[@Gudi]

that intro is a thing of beauty

[@herorhim]

Ayy Gudi glad to see you here! Sorry if this is annoying at all but just wanted to say love your content, can't wait for Nuke 3!

[@zackhenderson2392]

I was just thinking how perfect that scene is for this whole situation

[@kristsostad7571]

Ayy was sup gudi

[@7tales311]

we love u gudi

[@StickMaster500]

I find it highly unlikely that Dream cluelessly and accidentally cheated in a Minecraft speedrun for the fact that not only was he trying to defend himself multiple times to say he didn’t cheat but also hired an astrophysicist from Harvard University to try and disprove the results from the Speedrun Mods in which after further digging into the results by the astrophysicist found critical and basic errors in the document from people that had a good understanding of mathematics for then for Dream to later say that he “accidentally left them on” during the speedrun is laughable most likely so he doesn’t have to face the consequences of people calling him a deliberate cheater. It’s also funny that one of the Pastebin staff removed the Pastebin document where Dream admitted he cheated probably because even they had enough of his bs.

[@rutheforbandet6157]

Eyyy, it’s Stick! I always see you in RTgame’s comment section, so it’s cool to see you here too.

[@stoolyman]

Good lord. This whole video is the equivalent of hitting a nail once and it being flush with the wood it’s imbedded in. Just beautiful!

[@mikvance]

He lied. You don’t cheat by accident. He had months to check his files.

[@phyllojoe5346]

Oh haha yeah my cat stepped on my keyboard when the game was loading and it must have affected the RNG whoopsie doopsie

[@kabobawsome]

"I cheated, but also it wasn't my fault, it was actually the mods fault somehow. Also, let me give you $50k to shut up about it."

[@chickennugget6684]

ah yes, the negotiator

[@shanepower9201]

General grievous, your shorter than i expected

[@hiimemily]

He isn't sorry that he did it, he's sorry that he got caught.

[@LordDragox412]

He's not even sorry that he got caught. He's not sorry for anything. He's still acting like a victim to influence his stans into making him more money. He's a manipulative, narcissistic scumbag.

[@PJBloop]

As a wise man once said:"It's isn't a crime untill you get caught" -sun stzue the art of technoblade (I think)

[@epsilon347]

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

[@dizeus3051]

I absolutely love how through this whole time this guy was dead set on saying he didn't cheat, but later on "Whoops sorry guys, I guess I did cheat lol."

[@IDigress]

Dream: "I'm sorry I accidently cheated on purpose" EZScape: "I'm sorry my thumbnail wasn't clickbait"

[@RaynmanPlays]

Don't the logs say when a mod is loaded, meaning they would have to have been edited?

[@carto4028]

Yeah i think so.

[@LordDragox412]

@@kingweezel That's not why he did it. He still didn't admit to cheating, claiming it was "accidental" and not his fault. That's not what someone who feels remorse does. He's just trying to bring some more drama and attention towards himself to make more easy money. More drama = more views and channel interaction (dislikes and likes are treated the same by the algorithm responsible for counting how much to pay the creator). His stans still stay on his side because he "didn't lie but made a mistake" so he's innocent to them and it's a win-win situation for him. Never, ever think people like him come out because truth is eating away at them. That's not how it works. He's a narcissistic egomaniac. It's *never* his fault, and he will always blame others for his own actions. Just like a certain recent president of United States...

[@Sevicify]

No. Those log files are written by either the mods themselves or the modding API (eg: Forge or Fabric) used neither of which have to write anything when something is loaded. And even if the modding API itself does log the loaded mods there is nothing to stop a mod from hijacking the logging routines to hide its presence. So no hiding a mod from log files doesn't require a user to actively edit them, the mods can hide themselves if they want and some cheating ones almost certainly are.

[@choopoopoo]

"Yes, because there are billions of places where billions of events can happen every day. It's odd to highlight this (repeatedly). All that has been taken into account already to arrive at the 1 in x trillion number." Is such a great statement. Any time something like this happens there are always people defending that it CAN happen because it is possible. What they are completely skipping over is the probability of it ACTUALLY happening specifically for something so popular by someone so popular. In criminal cases DNA evidence can have the same probability assigned to it for evidence but it is considered proof by everyone, you wouldn't refute the odds because it's so absurd to believe that someone is either that lucky/unlucky over the HUGE probability that they just cheated instead.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Also, if an event would take longer than the heat death of the universe, then it's actually impossible. So saying "it's >0% chance therefore it's possible!" is an extreme copout.

[@WineRedEchos]

I'm so glad you recommended the stand up maths video. that channel is so good and that video is super impartial and pretty much lays it out as simple as possible.

[@toxics.]

Dream admitting he cheated like we didn't already know 😅

[@prismaticseal2553]

The other day I accidentally broke my diet, I was eating lettuce as always but I was thinking that maybe I also needed some protein, so my dietitian recomended me a burger, I acidentally bought a high fat burger and my mom made into a full burger, so when I was eating lettuce silly me I didnt notice I was eating the full 🍔 and I didnt notice till my mom told me “how was the burger 2 weeks after”, the next day I was confronted by my dietitian but I thought “Im being targeted for being Libra”, so I shut out all the criticism, my bad, but I didnt break my diet actually

[@JohnnyJohnnyJohnnyJohnnyJohnny]

This would be career ending shit for anyone with a normal fanbase

[@doxiedomian]

Idk about career ending but a normal fanbase would concede he cheated

[@hobqueer]

"Yes I cheated but I didn't KNOW that I cheated 🥺" Bro you should've known something was off lmao

[@Dannyheal]

"accidently" The amount of denial was evidence in and of itself.

[@norgani6957]

Ngl there was another situation like this where a hollow Knight speedrunner left a mod on where he wouldn't take any damage.when he was called out he deny cheating on purpose and that he 'forgotten' to remove the mod

[@isprobablyjobhunting]

"So the question on everyone's mind is did dream use this mod by mistake." That is absolutely not a question on everyone's mind. Don't cheat folks.

[@prekatori]

Dreams story is not really believable. Also he only put his apology on Twitter, where he only posted the pastebin without mentioning the content and also didnt post anything to KZbin. When the pastebin was deleted he deleted his tweet and didnt reupload/post it again.

[@joebobby1412]

My version of Dream’s confession. “I didn’t understand the math and cheated. Because I didn’t understand the math I believed in spite of my guilt I was being assumed guilty without reasonable evidence. I fought fire with fire and math with math. Still, I did not understand the math and was frustrated at the ineffectiveness of using it to persuade people of my reasonably possible innocence. The most unfortunate part is that I still don’t understand the math and deep down I feel like the moderators and the community cheated in proving my guilt. I know that’s unreasonable, at least ironic, but I don’t understand the math, that’s the point.”

[@shoopdahoop2221]

THE DREAM STANS ARE COMING, TAKE COVER

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

Nothing to worry, 8 years olds aren't very menacing...

[@SATOTEHDOOD]

OH NOOOOO

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

Who even stans that dude other than like idk preschoolers

[@MyHandleIsAplaceholder]

@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. yeah but they're annoying

[@ShugoAWay]

No they are still in daycare u got time

[@RiskOfBaer]

I'm amazed Dream found a way to make his situation even worse than it already is. I cannot believe he actually wrote that and thought it was going to fool anybody. He's either absolutely clueless about his position, or his ego grew so gigantic that he is physically unable to admit what he did and make a genuine apology. Either way, absolutely pathetic and abhorrent. People like him should be permanently banned from every single speedrunning community and made into a pariah.

[@thetwopointslow]

Happy to see Doug DeMuro branching out and joining the Wind Waker speedrunning community

[@viscount8388]

"How dare you accuse him of cheating 🤬🤬" "Its ok dream ppl make mistakes" Smh

[@MatheusOliveira-dk9zq]

When the joke is so good you dont even know if it is a joke

[@MatheusOliveira-dk9zq]

Even the profile adds up which is hilarious

[@viscount8388]

@@MatheusOliveira-dk9zq ?

[@theallaroundnerd9889]

Nah, bro that's crap. Especially if he said he "deletes his mod folder" constantly. Good on him for actually apologizing to the people, but come on. There's no way he didn't know.

[@ectothermic]

He barely apologised, he danced around it like the best of 'em and this is 6 months after he sicked his completely batshit kiddie fanbase on moderators, smaller creators, and just about anyone with an opinion.

[@Kozuu7]

The saddest fact is though, its incredibly easy for people to cheat like this as long as they only stream a few runs with it turned on at a time.

[@BRUIN1821]

Your videos have my favorite speedrun content. I love hearing about the history, but I love videos like this on current speedrun happenings.

[@MisterGunpowder257]

When you cheat so hard that a new goddamn mathematical unit has to be invented to explain just how unlikely what you did was, you've gone way too fucking far.

[@mrroboshadow]

"It was an accident and if the mods didnt call me out itd been fine!!" Is...is he high? Or does he think that since most of his audience are kids, that everyone has the mentality of a 5 year old?

[@chickennugget6684]

well, the stans certainly do have less collective braincells than a jellyfish.

[@vastowen4562]

I think he did it on purpose just from the simple fact that when the mod team originally asked for his mod folder, he said he deleted it

[@HERTZZBR]

i think it was a plugin tho, he did cheat on ñurpose anyway

[@Roboshi2007]

you get accused of cheating and don't think you did what do you do? A-double check your mods for and cheats B-Hire a professor to go over your odds and blame the mods for trying to gain notoriety

[@sorak185]

So... he knew full well that he had a mod installed that affected his drop rates, and he *never thought to check*? Yeah he gets no sympathy from me, he deserves the hate he's gotten.

[@SockLove]

*Pretends to be shocked* I think the worst thing is not even that he cheated, but how he just flamed everyone arround him, that shit did not sit well with me. Anyway, good to have you back!

[@RadishAcceptable]

It's super obvious that he did it on purpose. He didn't backpedal until there was no doubt on anybody's mind.

[@giusepperesponte8077]

This is a useless “apology.” He didn’t acknowledge that he knowingly cheated and still tried to exculpate himself from blame. His “apology” is just simple damage control, he looked at what is known about his scandal and crafted the best excuse he could come up with that would acknowledge the facts while still attempting to absolve himself of as much wrongdoing as possible. This “apology” has made me lose the remaining respect I had for Dream, not only is he a cheater but he’s an immoral liar who cares about nothing but holding on to as much favor as possible in the community, absolutely sickening.

[@migelo4705]

Yeah dream doesn't deserve any praise for lying and throwing the moderators under the bus.

[@lunchbox3513]

I didn't mean to set the orphanage on fire, it just sort of happened

[@superskyman6418]

Dude overhypes the drama that his speedrun caused in his apology, I smell youtuber

[@Aster_Risk]

The way he refers to it as one of the biggest Minecraft scandals in history tells you something about him. That was an apology, so he should have been downplaying what happened. He's secretly kind of excited, because he probably sees this as something that will cause his name to be remembered in video game history.

[@TRDiscordian]

Great video, loved it. That ambulance situation is insane. I mininterpreted it as "1 in 3 of being unlocked" and went "that's not that impressive, like 1/18". Realised it's 1/3 of being *locked*, and now I'm blown away by that luck haha.

[@TheMe9595]

That spongebob scene in the beginning was brilliant

[@BFanDesign]

The biggest issue isnt that he cheated, but that he lied, tried to hid it until the last minute and didnt care about people being harrased because of his lies. He was perfectly fine knowing truthful people were getting hate just for him to get fake records and views.

[@AuroraDawnOff]

That is some Logan Paul "I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement" tier "apology". He blatantly cheated, mobbed his fanbase on the moderators, got pissed at someone who asked him to check his mods folder, dragged this drama on for *months*, came out with a crappy "apology" where he doesn't even apologize and basically says "i cheated but it wasn't my fault" when he could have easily killed the drama by just looking at his mods folder and going "oh whoops i had a mod on, i'll remove these runs", makes a second apology after getting backlash from the first, and then tries to bribe the community with $50,000.

[@ZeHamberglar]

It's so funny, I've been watching linkus' 100% from GDQ without even knowing that game was blowing up. Can't wait to see a GDQ run with all the new tech.