These Speedrunners Were Accused of Cheating...

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KZbin is littered with videos exposing fake speedrunners, but today we will take a look at a couple of examples of speedrunners that have been wrongfully accused of cheating.
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Torje: / torje
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[@karljobst]

Scientific studies show that 9 out of 10 accusations of cheating in speedrunning are caused by the Dunning-Kruger effect. 🎯Download or Play FRAG PRO Shooter for free: bit.ly/3jzSGte Get $6 worth of free rewards! X1 gold chest 🎉 + 500 coins 💰 + 50 diamonds 💎 + 1 special offer 🎁 only for you!

[@takeizo]

Can I be a legend

[@NicoTheCinderace]

I'm not interested in obviously p2w mobile games. But I'll still watch your videos, because they are of a high quality.

[@wanneplay803]

The scientific results arent conclusive about the Dunning-Kruger effect, they think it might have been a bias/ statistical error instead of an actual effect.

[@coobk373]

fun fact abput the dunning krueger effect: most people trying to explain it fall victim to it

[@Domestic_Abuse]

Wow emojis my adrenalin go high

[@TinySpiny]

If you’re not eating pizza and drinking coke in your speedrun, that’s automatically considered cheating.

[@staudinga]

Show us the coke and pizza!

[@Lance0]

This joke will never get old

[@thatonemoviebob3902]

i get this refrence

[@Gashnaw]

I drink mtn dew or ginger ale. I don't like coke. Maybe that is why my runs have never been certified, it's not my lack of submitting them, its because i don't drink the proper soda.

[@leodaturtle6251]

@@Gashnaw lol

[@crackhex2649]

"A distinct lack of pizza" - *Yep he's cheating*

[@sp_ridley]

I'm laughing so much because of that comment. XD

[@MDSF9090]

Don’t forget the CocaCola!!

[@silverreaps6803]

@@MDSF9090 specifically the 1L version and 2 extra bottles that are to be opened after a one sip

[@chrlorez]

But he had a heart rate display, so he can't be cheating.

[@ItsDangerousGoAlone]

Not to mention a lack of heart rate update!

[@SyphistPrime]

I actually roomed with Torje during SGDQ 2016. The "fast wii" was a prominent joke at the time and he even had an i7 sticker on his Wii in reference to the joke.

[@obeseperson]

I would have stolen it tbh

[@tobo7580]

So you just publicly admitted that he played on an 'altered' console 🤨🤪😂

[@ArchieRatsworth]

​@@tobo7580I thought it was just a normal Wii that got one of the better parts due to spec changes during production.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I've always respected the fact that Karl isn't afraid to speak what's on his mind. He's an absolute legend...

[@nelraee1296]

yes

[@iambread2914]

now we just need fuckin OwO and Ray Mak to get their 1K likes and this vid is gonna blow up, meaning Lekukie gets his justice

[@AUni1]

@@iambread2914 not to mention Justin Y

[@soarimg]

Hello there

[@iambread2914]

@ESparda A.K.A.悪魔の死神 ik they're shit but we need them to get the algorithm

[@TheLegend2T]

*puts dream in the thumbnail “Here’s a little lesson in trickery”

[@oscarheller6310]

This is going down in history

[@thefunniestcomment1157]

If you wanna be a villain number one

[@cman5516]

Just follow my moves, and sneak around

[@shlumlum1777]

Be careful not to make a sound

[@thefishyfish541]

@@shlumlum1777 don’t touch that

[@lukebailey3662]

I'm gonna be shattered if the bowsers bean burrito run was faked

[@chaimsteinberg5010]

Cant be fake, 0.85 second is totally possible

[@Dkibble101]

Only way it would be faked is if he did it blindfolded and if that was against the rules

[@normtrooper4392]

@@Dkibble101 he didn't cheat. It was his blindfolded brother the whole time

[@semical7784]

@@normtrooper4392 with an usb steering wheel

[@planescaped]

I saw Dunkey kiss a baby so his character totally checks out.

[@jozajab6849]

can you imagine spending days or months of your life becoming the best in the world at something, only for people to claim that you cheated and then having your legit record removed from the leaderboards? I would have flipped out. the first guy handled it surprisingly well.

[@meganmclendon5063]

I mean honestly when you break a record that's the second thing that will happen you'll have maybe a good 24 hours of bliss and victory before people start pouring in and accusing you of cheating. If you ever want to do a speed run be live, try and get a mod, and don't be shady. you'll still get accusations thrown left and right but you have way way more chances of getting a verified speedrun that way. at least in my opinion although I've never done a speed run in my life so take my advice with a grain of salt and do some research

[@Heydad956]

I'd give up ngl

[@OmegaChase1002]

Especially considering it was Dream, a MASSIVE cheater, that made the accusation.

[@beatennugget1463]

​@@OmegaChase1002dawg i'd never let him forget it😭😭😭

[@scrubbybob8089]

I know this wasn't that big, but my friend Acroh (aka. AcrohTheBeast) had a blindfold world record for Outlast. He got accused of being able to see through the blindfold.. he even lost like 2 sec. because he dragged the blindfol further down to ensure there was no way he could see. I've seen him speedrun Outlast so much, but he just stopped when his World Record got taken down.

[@BugsytheCat]

That's rather sad... but congratulations to him on the accomplishment!

[@holyknightthatpwns]

Were people accusing him of seeing through the blindfold mid run? How did he know to adjust his blindfold? Or did it just slip partway through and he had to adjust it?

[@scrubbybob8089]

@@holyknightthatpwns Okay so first I need to explain, you are allowed take the blindfold off during cutdcenes, and loading screens. He lost time because he took it off during a loadingscreen, and then spend a solid couple of seconds adjusting it before he could continue the run.

[@krobble1983]

The sheer irony of Dream accusing people of cheating is hilarious

[@un-coglione-nostalgico]

Yeah lol also I think that this confirms even more that Dream knows how to mess around which files

[@CatOnVenus183]

He used to actually call out cheaters and actually real ones too, ashame he decided to edit drop rates but alas

[@un-coglione-nostalgico]

@@CatOnVenus183 nah it was a move if you are a cheater you want to look like the guy that screws cheaters

[@lighthawk3720]

@@un-coglione-nostalgico Even so, that still means he exposed real cheaters so the point still stands. He did in fact expose cheaters but yes that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated the same

[@IGUANAMIKE]

Just out if curiosity, was the general conclusion that he did in fact cheat? I watched Karl's video. But nothing happened after that?

[@Spall23]

Putting Dream in the thumbnail was such sneaky good bait lol

[@1vader]

Yeah. I was just waiting for the video to end and complain about the Dream clickbait since it was pretty obvious that he wouldn't "reveal" Dream wasn't actually cheating but then Dream actually appeared in the video...

[@adrher1999]

@@1vader It's not actually clickbait but it is. In a way, as everyone knows the Dream situation and putting it in when he actually is in the video a genius move to gain visits

[@AnimationCow]

Yeah Karl is a genius.

[@juppheinekken3465]

@@1vader "he wouldn't reveal Dream wasn't actually cheating" Okay Stan.

[@cedrick25]

And the fact he was included in the first story means it technically isn't clickbait, Karl the legend is just that smart

[@RegsaGC]

I love that he bothered to check the Google Drive glitch himself. Of course it might have been patched but just confirming stuff like that as a matter of course when it's easy to do is super cool.

[@MitchellD249]

Speaking of timezones causing misunderstandings, this video was uploaded on April 1st in my timezone and I was absolutely certain it would be a joke video saying that the Badabun and Dream runs were actually totally legit. This was a great video anyway, but I'm kinda sad now that I didn't get that.

[@cheeky4743]

Dream: “Guys this speed runner cheated! Look, the times are hours before! He spliced the run and used a set seed!” Dream, proving he didn’t cheat his run: “bro trust me”

[@andrewprahst2529]

Him and his astrophysicist

[@Cloiss_]

the funny thing is before he cheated he actually called out & exposed an actual cheater (Drem) - if i've got my timeline right the korb stuff also happened before dream cheated. the fact he seemed to care so much about the integrity of the boards wrt other runners makes it extra weird that he ended up deciding to cheat

[@kristoffer8609]

@@Cloiss_ Not really all that weird. You're more likely to project your own issues onto others. It's like those people on twitter who call everyone a racist, when in reality they themselves are some of the biggest racists alive.

[@Quandry1]

@@Cloiss_ Here's my problem with Dream... Was it really interest in integrity of the board? Or was it interest in limiting the effort he would have to put in by calling out a few runs for being questionable... possibly in ways he considered doing it himself and decided wouldn't work?

[@Cloiss_]

@@Quandry1 who knows, can't read the dudes mind lol

[@darthtiberius3716]

karl can you fabricate a speedrun for us and break it down so people know how to spot stuff

[@karljobst]

I've got one of those videos coming in April!

[@DarkTakanuva]

@@karljobst pog

[@soulofthemedley]

Sweet

[@Kyle49840]

That would actually be quite a video to watch! And quite educational

[@formbi]

dam 0:49 :P

[@Gia1911Logous]

Dream accused someone of cheating? Ironic

[@seankorch6280]

all these comments can’t age any better

[@bengtbengt3850]

No, he didn't. He found something he thought was suspicious and sent it to the moderators.

[@triple7marc]

@@bengtbengt3850 But he still took the time to investigate whether the run was legit. He was acting like a moderator.

[@BizVlogs]

Accuse others of being the imposter to take suspicion off of you 📮

[@carriebecker8383]

@@bengtbengt3850 yeah, nobody has an issue with that in itself. It's just hypocritical for him to be on the look out against cheating at all, because, you know...

[@garyskippracing]

“He must be cheating because I’m cheating and he’s beating me!” ~ Motorsports Generis

[@Delstar]

this video is going to blow up with dream's sneaky little blob in the thumbnail. karl showing his experience as a minecraft youtuber

[@Meowdyzone]

the power of just putting a silly bean man in the thumbnail. Among Us, Fall Guys, Dream, real beans, etc.

[@Delstar]

@@Meowdyzone its all consuming. it wont be long now.

[@GrayCatbird1]

@@MeowdyzoneGame designers brainstorming in 2021: so how can we include a bean man in this game?

[@zacknattack]

@@GrayCatbird1 Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine

[@planescaped]

@@zacknattack Loved that game, rented it from Blockbuster at least half a dozen times.

[@franciscodelico]

So, Karl made a whole video to clear Lekukie's name, because he thought his own video brought bad attention to an innocent man, and he included another 2 instances to make the video worthwhile He's not only an absolute legend, he's the legend we need but don't deserve

[@AndreasMSchroeder]

I was about to post something similar, but you already expressed it perfectly, so here, have a like.

[@AndreasMSchroeder]

And yes, Karl, if you read this, you are truly an absolute legend. I have no business speedrunning anything and I‘ve never even owned an N64, but your videos, your commentary and your insights are always amazing.

[@SonicBoone56]

We stan

[@anthonynguyen1289]

Yeah it makes me laugh how misconstrued information gets when people learn about things. It's almost like that communication game telephone.

[@Benkenobi8118]

not only that but atoned for the Billy Mitchell crap when he dumped on it.

[@matthewdutton9910]

Wow. I already had massive respect for this channel and you as a person, but this video shows the true depth of your humility and love for the entire speedrunning community. It's a pleasure watching your work, keep it up!

[@KnakuanaRka]

Lesson of the day: if something doesn’t make sense, ask the runner before assuming they did something wrong. Or for Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

[@MrGudtavosky]

he calls us just "legends" instead of "absolute legends" at the end of the video, to show how pissed he is at his own fanbase for prematurely accusing and hating speedrunners

[@vincevvn]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[@Naruto_from_the_Naruto_show]

Nah dude, he was speedrunning the video, if you cut out 'absolute' you gain an extra -0.2 seconds and in this category is insane

[@JoshuaOdionson]

Forgive us, Senpai.

[@Sir_Isaac_Newton_]

Forgive me Karl Jobst for I have sinned

[@JoshuaOdionson]

Please don't punish us, daddy. Lolol. Kidding.

[@Dalroc]

Dream: "Of course i didn't cheat in my speedrun because I don't really care about speedrunning" Also Dream: *Dives deep into another persons speedrunning files and reports him to the moderators*

[@herbo3437]

Dream cheated and he is bad

[@mar2ck_]

@@herbo3437 Weak bait

[@manuelestebanpadilla1225]

@@herbo3437 amazing argument

[@wackiest10]

@@manuelestebanpadilla1225 it is hard to argue with his assessment

[@Fender178]

@@laabsolutecreatura Dream is allowed to call out anyone he wants to but his credibility isn't worth very much since he was actually found guilty of cheating which should have sent red flags to the Proof Mods for the Minecraft speed run section of the website to really investigate the accusation by Dream.

[@zachbrooks20]

Reasons why I watch your videos. 1. I love being called an "absolute legend." That is all.

[@EvTheFlickFan]

Who wouldn’t?

[@WesleyWyndam-Pryce]

@@EvTheFlickFan me

[@sleazymeezy]

Good on ya, you absolute legend.

[@Mrgrimm150]

"Frag is one of the most legendary shooters out there at the moment." "Its designed exclusively for mobile devices" Class, this is called an oxymoron.

[@tim_is_random]

An oxymoron requires conjunct terms. This would be a contradiction

[@FraserSouris]

It’s actually pretty cool. The character switching and somewhat tactical nature is well done. I honestly thing that a version of this game could be ported to other systems and still fare well

[@catinamask5019]

Yeah but this game isnt "tactical" trust me,things like lucha muerte wrecks the battlefield.He sucks ass at fighting but use his fart and chainsaw and you will destroy the base in 10 seconds.the game is all about get an enemy with high health and if you cross the bridge without a hit,then you will be able to land some hits.Also its annoying for the entire enemy team to attack one of your base at once

[@elvickRULES]

2+ years later and it’s the first I’ve ever heard of it lol

[@motivelacking]

"Billy Mitchell was gonna sue me for calling him a cheater so I uploaded a video about how much of a cheater he is" No, man. YOU are an absolute Legend.

[@stolentrevin]

Bro thats a fucking power move lmfao

[@OlviMasta77]

What a madlad

[@so_bendy]

I seriously need to hear more on this 😂😂 Somebody link a homeboy up

[@JaharNarishma]

@@so_bendy just look up Karl Jobs' videos. You are already at one of his videos, so click the name and you'll see the rest. Donkey Kong and Billy Mitchel are probable inclusions in the titles of the 2 videos.

[@Finch0671]

Chad move

[@ingvarbusch4288]

It must be so disheartening being told that your legit wr is fake and all of your times getting removed. That voice line of korbanoes made me so sad :/

[@goddesscarrie767]

i cannot even imagine... i would cry. immediately. spending months of time playing a game, perfecting it, being happy about every second saved, knowing you did it legit and boop...

[@underthepale]

I'd honestly accept the restoration, but request my name be changed to "Fuck You All" and then never play the damn game again. Seriously, what the fuck.

[@yoursodumn]

What I can't get is that it's such an easy thing to test. Surely it isn't the first time people have uploaded files to Google drive? And why on earth would he upload a file that would immediately get people to definitively say he cheated? It's like winning a pile of chips at a casino and then as you're cashing them, saying "I cheated btw lol"

[@masterofpasta95]

And by who would turn out to be the most infamous minecraft speedrunner no less

[@thepixelmasters1846]

And I love how Dream only gets his fake run banned, nothing else. There is such a double standard it's not even funny.

[@GlobalWarmingSkeptic]

All Mario speedruns should require a pizza and coke check to be verified.

[@Fernybun]

party% category

[@OhNotThat]

Wait. Dream. the cheater, goes around accusing others of themselves cheating. That's amazing. "Accuse others of what you do" in action

[@eh___1449]

Low iq

[@SlendyMawn]

To be fair, the evidence must have seemed like a slam-dunk at the time.

[@Lvg706]

In dream's defense, he does know a lot about cheating

[@Ax-xo4ux]

He wasn’t a speed running mod at the time- and he only brought his findings to the mods who made the decisions. And to be fair- the time differences do seem strange

[@leonmystique9372]

And what do you know? The person who accused Dream of cheating also cheated the same way!

[@badfdsify]

"When you don't understand something, ask why instead of jumping to conclusions" is such great advice even outside of looking at faked speedruns. Something I need to work on doing more often !

[@slevinchannel7589]

Hope a Programmer or Modder reads this: Call me Nerdy, but i think 'Nen' from HunterxHunter would translate well to Minecraft; no kidding. -The Player himself decides his Aura-Type (1 of 6) -2 Dice together decide the 'Talent'. -1 Dice decides Aura-Amount aka Fuel. -1 Dice decides the Memory-Space (=Max Ability-Number), but getting a 6 calls for a Re-Roll. The Rest is a simple Mod: Just program in the Ability to do 'Image-Training' by Clicking on one and the same Block or Entity again and again and again and again and... uhm... oh yeah: Again. That takes time, but the Result will be a Supernatural Power! So my Question now: Can someone reading this make such a Mod?! What do YOU think?

[@youtube-kit9450]

It's how the world is supposed to work, but especially in the US, the culture poisoed itself to the point "getting help" or "asking for help" or "admitting a mistake" is seen as a weakness so when people make mistakes, they just go into diehard fight mode and try to turn a question of truth into a popularity contest where statistics and facts don't matter anymore and instead of much you can slander your "opponent" (even though there are no opposing sides in finding the truth).

[@UrsaFrank]

"You should always seek to understand first, before jumping to any conclusions" God I wish we lived in a time where this kind of thinking was the norm

[@AndreasMSchroeder]

This

[@mimipeahes5848]

Was this ever really a thing?

[@bkch233]

Yeah, go read some other comments. People are jumping to conclusions about Dream's intentions.

[@alejjtheninja5803]

It would be ideal.

[@jimjones5343]

@@bkch233 Did you even watch the video? He's not talking about Dream, he's talking about LeKukie.

[@simonvegas793]

I must say Karl you're a great KZbinr and engaging story teller. I don't follow speed running or even play games... the algorithm showed me some of your vids and something must have caught my eye... fast forward a few months and I've watched countless videos of yours and find myself introduced to a scene and community I didn't even know existed. Top job!

[@mysticbambie3485]

Can we just talk about how dream made this guy feel ? Then goes to cheat him self and just doesn't care ... lol

[@juniperrodley9843]

I always got an egotistical vibe from Dream, and the actions he's taken since I got that vibe have only confirmed it. To be clear: I don't mean the more harmful kind of egotism. I mean the kind you'd see in a child. Making excuses for every loss, trying to cheat, that kind of thing.

[@bengtbengt3850]

Dream didn't do anything wrong. He found something he thought was suspicious and sent it to the moderators, who then falsely concluded that the guy cheated. The moderators are the ones who did the wrong. Dream never accussed the guy.

[@vority2860]

@@bengtbengt3850 we got a loser stan here

[@vority2860]

@@bengtbengt3850 what about the cheating one?

[@bengtbengt3850]

@@vority2860 You're misunderstanding me. I'm not a very big fan of Dream, and I'm certainly not a stan. I just think it's really unfair to accuse him of things that aren't true. People keep saying that Dream accused the guy of cheating and is a horrible person for it, but that's wrong. I explained just that in my earlier comment above, so I won't do that again. I know that Dream cheated (I think almost everyone who watch Karl's video know that at this point), and I think that Dream handled most of the situation really badly. But I still don't think that gives people the right to lie about him. Keep calling me a loser if you want. It only makes you look worse.

[@migueldelmazo5244]

This absolute legend isn't just teaching speedrunning, he's teaching important life lessons. Don't assume bad intent from a place of ignorance. Good life advice. You're gonna be a good dad, Karl.

[@granite_planet]

Daddy Jobst :3

[@wallystogner90]

The Bible, James 1:19 “...be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry.” Whether you are a Christian or not, this is wise advise and the best way to be in ignorant situations.

[@zernek9199]

@@wallystogner90 As someone who isn't religious, I really like this quote

[@LazyLoonz]

No

[@wyvernpatriota1842]

@@wallystogner90 as an atheist, this quote is really interesting

[@pasu2k]

With dream in the thumbnail we all obviously came to the assumption he somehow was innocent after all, but watching the video and it turned out he helped to get someone ELSE unrightfully accused of cheating is pretty funny xD

[@KainYusanagi]

Nope, I theorized that Dream may have been involved in another situation, and wanted to see what was up. The evidence against him was staggeringly solid, so there's no way he was innocent.

[@cardboardpackage]

@@KainYusanagi ratio

[@smoglin2369]

@@cardboardpackage you did it bro

[@RacingTakis]

@@cardboardpackage You tried your best

[@shukterhousejive]

I saw the thumbnail and thought this was Karl's April Fool's Day video

[@doubt2022]

remember people, if something is unexplained it must be the work of an enemy stand

[@lindseylindsey9200]

Exactly

[@oleksiybazhenov6077]

How telling is it that the person who falsely accused Korbanoes of cheating went on to cheat himself?

[@fz7788]

Lmao

[@juniperrodley9843]

People are often quick to criticize others for problems they hate in themselves.

[@Trep3]

@@juniperrodley9843 even though the accusation was before dream cheated? makes no sense

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@Trep3 I don't imagine Dream suddenly wanted to cheat out of nowhere immediately before he did. It's more likely that he was tempted to do so for a while.

[@Trep3]

@@juniperrodley9843 define a while

[@danrichards9516]

I just wanted to be called an absolute legend before taking my kid to school 😎

[@pollex.]

Don't we all lmao

[@NicoTheCinderace]

Hello, you absolute legend.

[@carsondubs]

Hello, you absolute ledgend

[@bushboybilly6080]

Just got home from school

[@charile]

Dad pog

[@thexbigxgreen]

"Distinct lack of pizza" is my new favourite speedrunning meme

[@Sir_Isaac_Newton_]

We like to to do a little trolling

[@ozzy6458]

@@Sir_Isaac_Newton_ Pathetic. I do a lot of trolling

[@SynoPTL]

Oh I get it it’s that fake speedrun from badabún

[@MrInniske]

Gkad to have you back, I missed having new speed running videos!

[@muhammadsoleh4725]

Stans sees thumbnail: Finally, Karl Jobst admit Dream is innocen- Karl Jobst: *Yesn't*

[@TheSteve5154]

Well he isn’t innocent, sooooo

[@GothicKin]

Big channels holding themselves accountable and not pandering to the community but instead trying to teach them to be better. Karl you're a legend

[@fajaradiputra8545]

He was the absolute legend

[@codegeek98]

I feel like I'm a caustic influence as a viewer, since I love these investigative deep dive videos but have less interest in his "usual" and more wholesome content 😳

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@codegeek98 why are you blushing?

[@TheGaming100]

I love this! I hope to be just like Karl Jobst in lots of ways, including this if/when I get big!

[@LeKukie]

I haven't eaten a pizza in at least 2 years I think, so maybe that helps my case a bit Keepo. But yeah like always good video Karl, I'm glad this whole situation got properly sorted out, and thanks for making this video.

[@Juan-ii3zo]

Hi LeKukie, congratulations on your amazing accomplishment! You definitely deserved this success. Thank you for representing us latin american countries in this community, it is really uncommon to hear about a south american top speed runner making history. Stay strong brother!, regards from Colombia.

[@LeKukie]

@@Juan-ii3zo thank you :)

[@SupercellularChaos]

Hi! I have the collectible limited edition game and watch, and my respect for Super Mario Bros. Speed runners has exploded. Congrats on tying the work record.

[@SupercellularChaos]

I meant world record.😂

[@TK2692]

I'm owe you an apology, LeKukie. At first, I thought your actions were highly suspicious, since it seems like you had been caught cheating before and because you didn't show the wires connected to your television, and I thought you probably had cheated. Those two things seemed suspicious to me, but suspicion alone isn't actually evidence of anything. And it even turns out the wires thing wasn't even a good reason in the first place. I'm sorry I jumped to conclusions, but in this case I am glad to have been proven wrong. I'm glad you have been exonerated and that your time has been accepted, because it is quite an achievement! Furthermore, I'm glad that your example is proof that just because someone might have cheated in the past, it doesn't mean they are destined to continue that pattern forever. People can and do change, and it's a good lesson for every community to learn. Again, I am sorry I jumped to conclusions, and I offer congratulations on your accomplishment!

[@NOFRILLS_GAMING]

Your channel is an absolute rabbit hole! Great stuff!

[@ashleyavenuemusic]

this did not age well.. you know what I'm referring too

[@morbideddie]

No, seems fine to me.

[@ashleyavenuemusic]

@@morbideddie good for you

[@morbideddie]

@@ashleyavenuemusic what didn’t age well in the video?

[@ashleyavenuemusic]

@@morbideddie dream in the thumbnail.

[@morbideddie]

@@ashleyavenuemusic ok, but he is relevant to one the examples Karl gives about Korbanoes. Maybe a bit clickbaity but I don’t see why that means it aged poorly.

[@WarpRulez]

I actually find it surprising that the OoT speedrunning community didn't know of the collapse cutscene lagging behavior, given how thoroughly the game has been dissected for every possible glitch and exploit, even back in those days.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Yeah, that seems like something die hard fans of the game had to have noticed over all these years, and speedrunners typically are such fans of the games they run.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

It took around 20 years to realize that, in a similarly-dissected game such as Pokémon Red and Blue, you cannot paralyze Normal-type Pokémon with Body Slam. It's just that it didn't occur to them it could be the case.

[@AtomicArtumas]

If you watch a lot of ZFG, you'd know the answer. The OoT community completely sucks at actually recording findings. MANY major glitches used these days, including one of the largest, SRM, were found literally years prior to anyone realizing the extent of the glitch, purely because no on ever tested anything or told anyone about it. So it doesn't surprise me AT ALL that weird cutscene mechanics weren't readily known. The only surprising thing about it is that the moderators didn't immediately time several different people's runs' cutscenes to see if a difference was normal.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@AtomicArtumas That's interesting. I'm deep into classic Doom, and it seems that most people who are seriously into the game are strongly familiar with 80% of it, most of the serious modders and speedrunners, as well as most of the hardcore speedrunning audience, there's not very much which isn't commonly known in that circles. It strikes me as the kind of detail which I would have noticed myself if I was playing a game over and over for many years like that.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

I played the hell out of that game on the N64, and noticed it years ago it sometimes lags and sometimes doesn't. I thought it was common knowledge, considering the false accusation, I thought wrong.

[@knight-ug4xn]

Basically every six year old kid when someone beats them

[@atticusnari]

Their parents are not cheaters

[@christophecaines2344]

@@atticusnari wait.. OH SH-

[@henryzhang3961]

..no? they had legitimate reasons to believe the runs were cheated and just didnt investigate any alternatives

[@ZorotheGallade]

The frame data on that flip flop throw was clearly modded to cancel the post-hit lag and stunlock him.

[@esssss8415]

@@henryzhang3961 Pretty sure it’s a joke.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Dream: "Do as I say, not as I do"

[@sinsoftheswamp8346]

What accuse someone else of cheating who wasn't

[@Kidneyjoe42]

How is dream not to blame for that first one? When someone falsely accuses someone else of a crime, the culpability for a false conviction isn't just on the cops, prosecutor, judge, and jury. It's also on the false accuser to the extent that it's a prosecutable offense in its own right. And yeah, this wasn't a crime and there was no court room, but the point is that there exists a cultural understanding that an accuser bears some level of moral responsibility for the consequences of their accusations. Furthermore, dream didn't just point out an inconsistency and raise questions about it. If that's all he'd done then there would be more of a case for placing all blame on the moderators. But he explicitly asserted that the run was spliced. He's the one responsible for putting people, including the moderators, into the mindset that run was cheated.

[@Meganstaek]

love the irony of Dream accusing someone of cheating edit: before you reply with "um actually it's not irony, it's--" please google "dramatic irony" ty

[@fritheaxolotl27527]

not only once but two times... such a bruh moment

[@dburgd99]

And he KNOWS his stans will attack. He thrives on it.

[@dominikdobrotic8298]

@@SUPERFunStick its not a good tactic. If you cheat you want to draw as little of attention as possible on yourself.

[@avocadothecat]

@@SUPERFunStick but wasn't that incident ling before the Dream stuff?

[@laytonjr6601]

Dream: there's something strange with the time the files were created Normal reaction: let's ask the guy and investigate The mods reaction: let's ban the guy, he's a cheater

[@stickyrice.j]

No Jobst, *YOU’RE* the legend.

[@MattMarkYT]

💯

[@emanueldeavilaolivera2030]

True

[@kirjian]

No lie

[@ZandarKoad]

"No, YOU'RE the legend." "No, YOU are." "Nu uh, YOU are the legend!" "Nope, I'm rubber you're glue!" ...

[@modus8256]

I read this in an action movie supporting characters encouraging the protagonist, and also in a goofy, donald, and mickey voice

[@brycedaugherty9211]

2 years later. Hilarious that dream went through so much trouble to identify a cheater.

[@Hamun002]

so bizarre to have all of your records thrown out without trying to contact the player for a sufficient explanation. I would have probably made the same assumptions in the corbinos's case, but I would at least require contacting that player for an investigation/a video call to see his version of the folder to verify the discrepancy. edit: glad to see they put in more safeguards

[@MrHangman56]

the first one is crazy, i never would have thought of considering google drive

[@marcomaar5512]

Those things can seem pretty weird for people. But for example, for me as a programmer, I immediately thought that the timezones are off. There is probably an infinite amount of bugs programmers have seen that are related to date time issues. It is even further suspicious if the minutes/seconds are the same. That's a big red flag for those kinds of bugs/confusion.

[@PauloGarcia-sp5ws]

As a student who uses google drive to upload stuff for classes, I would have checked that first thing. Drive acts funny a lot when it comes to time zones.

[@Frakenstien20]

@@marcomaar5512 The timezone stuff reminds me of that old Tom Scott videos where he lost his mind talking about dealing with timezones

[@marcomaar5512]

@@Frakenstien20 hehe, yeah that's a nice one. I watched quite a bunch of Computerphile. Fun stuff.

[@GuilhermeHCardozo]

I mean, i can't comprehend how the Lekukie run got verified with no pizza in the video... These verification standards are getting softer these days...

[@LeKukie]

I rarely eat pizza at all... Is that a sign?!

[@bullymaguire6388]

@@LeKukie oh shi-

[@shadowwolf8434]

@@LeKukie how dare you call yourself a gamer and rarely eat pizza you disgust me

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@LeKukie I want to apologize for jumping to conclusions.

[@phillipmele8533]

@@LeKukie CONSUME PIZZA

[@nikokungreenfuzzey]

This is the one that got me to subscribe. Saying what you think outright and understanding the different avenues of possible explanations.

[@technohellscape]

Oh you cheeky rapscallion, you, putting Dream in the thumbnail. You got me.

[@Lockirby2]

I feel like the reason why Dream is in the thumbnail is less to be clickbait and more to poke fun at the viewers for jumping to conclusions.

[@borkerman]

You may have a point

[@ridhosamudro2199]

Meta clickbait

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

It's probably both, also while being relevant to one of the cases in question, so it's actually a very well calculated choice.

[@GDNashit]

Anyone else clickbaiting: "Wow! You viewwhore!" Karl clickbaiting: *"To Be Fair, You Have To Have a Very High IQ to Understand Karl Jobst"*

[@billy6678]

I think it's both but mainly just clickbait. It baits both the Dream fans and the Dream haters. That's a double whammy

[@tetsuo3k]

That Ocarina of Time cutscene really threw me! I wouldn't have guessed random bits of debris could impact run time to such an extent, but it makes perfect sense in retrospect.

[@vamp97]

Dream is really that sore a cheater, huh.

[@JamieZero7]

No he brought what was suspicious to the mods. You Karl Jobst fans can't get over your hatred. Your so vile. Why not act that way when Karl Jobst hid his cheating for 20 years.

[@Exile_Sky]

I appreciate what you do here and I keep my damn nose out of the question of legit or cheat. I do not, nor could I have the knowledge or expertise to understand most of what's going on in speedruns. I occasionally watch speedruns to see things I couldn't do even if I wanted to, because I play games to chill out, not turn up. As for watching "did they cheat?" videos.. well.. you detail that in 0:28.

[@JoeContext]

Moral of the story:Take everything Dream says with multiple grains of salt.

[@razahrtelvanni2018]

Not exactly the lesson. What Dream presented to the moderation team was correct. The moderation team’s job was to verify whether the peculiar behavior presented was indeed cheating, and they mistakenly declared it so. The moral of the story is: Dont jump to conclusions, Investigate fully.

[@elfasto2255]

@@razahrtelvanni2018 Dream Stan?

[@willmorris6260]

@@elfasto2255 100%. looks like he can't bear the fact that dream is a shit person

[@blobofmeatwhoexist8460]

@@razahrtelvanni2018 Which dream doesn't do, he found a an "evidence" and what he said? yes you are cheating without trying to find another solution

[@songbirdsandsandwiches8217]

@@elfasto2255 You know that dream isn’t in fact a reincarnation of Satan who is incapable of doing something unless it has some sinister plan behind it right?

[@andy4an]

"you should always seek to understand first, before jumping to conclusions" words to live by. my goodness the world would be better if everyone did this.

[@TheImmortalPwnage]

Heard him say that as I saw the comment

[@bio241]

i wanted to comment exactly this

[@marlon6598]

KZbinrs making inflammatory, accusational videos wouldnt get as many views and ad revenue if they were honest and fair and didnt jump to conclusions. Mainstream media would make a lot less money and get a lot less views from the lack of spicy headlines that jump to conclusions. Since everything's always about money or attention, nobody's ever gonna stop doing this.

[@GiygasStarman]

Not as satisfying to your emotions tho.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@marlon6598 "my goodness the world would be better if everyone did this." I'd like to draw your attention to this sentence from OP. In a world described, clickbait would be far less prevelant and potentially detrimental.

[@alphabulblax1649]

I was one of the people suspicious of Lekukie's "I tied the record!" on that video. Thanks for clearing up that detail!

[@reidmodena-kurpinsky4313]

Karl, I love and appreciate your content. Keep up the great work.

[@EriYT]

The cutscene in that one section of OoT having random generation of debris is such a crazy detail.

[@Txrje]

It's gotten me years of meme mileage, worth it

[@BeliaLove]

@@Txrje PogU real account

[@underthepale]

Dream: Accuses person of cheating based on a minor clerical error, nearly ending their career. Also Dream: Cheats out a world record and lies his ass off over it. Legit, it seems.

[@Kitteso]

What's even more funny that after all this, Dream still said Korbanoes' run is suspicious on several occasions. And Dream wrote in Korbanoes' chat "if you stream speedrunning everyday why are both of your records offline speedruns". That sentence is kind of a meme now in the community.

[@neothepenguin1257]

And dream is still super popular too without even apologizing or owning up to it

[@ehgyes]

minor correction it wasn't a World Record it was a 5th place run

[@randomcanadian6298]

@@ehgyes It was well above WR pace, but cosmic karma or something struck and he was short an eye of ender and had to search the stronghold for the last pearl which ended up knocking his time down to 5th.

[@ehgyes]

@@randomcanadian6298 Doesn't matter it was not a WR and if he truly wanted to cheat for a run why settle for 5th? You'd think he would want 1st right? Nobody would've payed attention to that run if he didn't submit it, why risk it all for a 5th place run?

[@DooougieDOOM]

You're awesome man! Always look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work sir!

[@majinwarwulf]

I just recently found your channel thanks to Penguin 0. I must say, it is good of you to go back and make sure people aren't misconstruing your videos against smaller channels. Good on you.

[@nomukun1138]

Dream is not evil because he cheated, he's evil because he insists that anyone who disbelieves him hates him. He turns an investigation of innocence into a popularity contest. Everyone who accuses him or defends him is pulled into this paradigm, as you can see in this very comment section. He has the mindset of a cheater: he believes popularity is more important than truth, and he blurs the truth at every opportunity, and he's continuing to work directing attention away from his own alleged crimes. The truth means nothing to him, the speedrunning community means nothing to him, his popularity and image matter. That is what he defends to the death.

[@Kitteso]

I agree with you completely. It's pretty wild to see how many people defend him and make up excuses for him when it should be glaringly obvious what he is about. Liars have such an easy time in this world.

[@ciarangale4738]

the way I see it, it doesnt matter whether or not he cheated. theoretically, he could have just been that lucky. however, the moderators couldnt in good faith leave the run up after seeing the odds it would take for that to take place

[@godofgamers3884]

@@ciarangale4738 theoretically, yes. But practically, there's no chance he didn't mod in some way.

[@godofgamers3884]

@@ciarangale4738 I'm not really mad that he cheated. I'm mad that he keeps lying and pretending he didn't do anything when he obviously did. I wish he'd just own up to it.

[@myselft36yearsago]

From a psychology standpoint, that is a categorical lie, in his video addressing the allegations, at no point whatsoever did he say nor elude to that, if anything he just let you decide what you think, like how can you get this dim minded, like its hard, this genuinely shocks me that people can actually be this stupid

[@hawsroy]

it is such a beautiful stroke of irony that Dream tried to catch someone cheating, especially considering he wasn’t a moderator

[@noxXxnocti]

He still insists the run is fake too lmao

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@noxXxnocti On a single discrepancy which is easily explained, yet the discrepancies in his own run are beyond suspect. Funny guy.

[@billy6678]

@@noxXxnocti wait really? I need to see this any screenshots?

[@jeremyjimenez7858]

Well he has actually proved many people to be cheaters.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@jeremyjimenez7858 of course he would, The guy who catch cheaters would be the least Likely one to Cheat Lol

[@jasonoverholt2791]

I really like this. Your handling of the lekuki situation shows you have a lot of integrity.

[@RG32107]

Would love another one of these type of videos

[@TheLemonyBard]

(Sees Dream in the thumbnail) “April Fools’ Day is tomorrow, Karl.”

[@salkii62]

In Brisbane (where Karl Jobst is based according to his Twitter) it's already April 1st

[@pageclayton6850]

Yea man Australia is already in Japeril

[@bkch233]

It's clickbait.

[@SandsBros]

Dream cheated his speedrun

[@TheLemonyBard]

@@salkii62 true enough! Hadn’t thought it was quite time yet but it probably was lol

[@gnewhall4116]

I love how everyone gives Dream a free pass for cheating but when drem did it they disliked all of his videos and constantly harassed him (who’s 15 years old by the way) Edit: Damn bro I think I just started a war in the reply section calm down guys.

[@ecanus-3605]

Just shows you what a disgust person dream and his stans are.

[@o.602]

@@ecanus-3605 Never understand the hype of Dream

[@Kage-jk4pj]

If you're popular you can get away with more.

[@tehberral]

@@ecanus-3605 It blows my mind that people call themselves a "Stan" for a KZbinr while also forgetting Stan was a cautionary tale about hero worship. Kinda gross tbh.

[@GelberDracheLP]

Not everyone is geiving Dream a pass on his cheating.... Only the one wo understand the complett problem or who dosen't care

[@calebos268]

In the lekukie video: Lekukie: I tied WR?!? Everyone: OH HE CHEATED HE KNEW THAT HE TIED THE WR BEFORE RE-TIMING IT Niftski: 430! (as in 4:55.430) Everyone: understandable, have a nice day People who don't follow smb1 don't realize that people saying their time is very common. If people are calling lekukie's run fake since he knew that he tied WR, then they should also call kosmic's 4:55.913 fake since he literally called the run in 4-1. People these days 🤦‍♂️

[@DarkMagicianGirl0]

I would like to see more videos like this both in showing fakes and in proving real speedruns. I love videos like this because I almost always walk away having learned something new. In addition I think, but to be fair I don't know, you gain more than you lose. Obviously the loss is people taking things to the literal extreme and neither you or me appreciate that even if done with the best intention. The plus to this though is that you can show what is or isn't fake and that will allow us to be more knowledgeable on the situation thus not jumping on every bandwagon that exists. I do think the way you explain all of this stuff so whatever you decide I will be watching 😊

[@SkilletToast]

I'm glad you took the time to clarify about the Lekukie video. I'm sure he will appreciate it as well.

[@Lyris_Alt]

the dream clickbait is beautiful always check the description everyone :D

[@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA]

Sad, i know he did cheat but, i still like him, he does cool videos, plus, even tho he didn't admit, he stopped submitting runs and just does it for fun, if that's not a person of honor, i don't know what is

[@TheOneWhoHasABadName]

@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA a person of honor simply apologises for his mistake he does not sweep it under the rug and go on with his day

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA a person of honor is someone who doesn't cheat in the first place...

[@markhdhu1320]

@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA What? A person of honor would admit he cheated instead of trying to make his 8 years old fanbase belive he didnt.

[@Bruteforce765]

@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA a person of honor does fake a response video and delete it so his new viewers won't know about it.

[@1999Elias]

Great video. I was very concentrated until the "lack of pizza" lmao

[@PiercingSight]

15:01 - Oh hey! That's me!... Oh.... ooooooohhhh.... oops. Sorry about that. I'm a doofus. I'mma go fix that real quick. My sincerest apologies.

[@bean6803]

Hey man, good on you for owning up to it. I respect that.

[@MadDoofer]

Every decent person knows that the amount of pizza eaten shows how fast your run is

[@alex2005z]

So badabun got wr?

[@bullymaguire6388]

@@alex2005z it’s a joke my guy.

[@dabs4270]

@@alex2005z yes

[@alex2005z]

@@bullymaguire6388 so is mine

[@justinjustin7224]

Just have to say: nudging people to start making memes about pizza to overwrite (or at least drown out) uninformed accusations is kinda genius. I really hope that it becomes a reality.

[@steampunk1121]

this in itself is a nudge :)

[@ciarangale4738]

I hate to break it to you, but its an old joke in the mario speedrunning community. nothing new

[@justinjustin7224]

@@ciarangale4738 that doesn't make my comment any less relevant. Doesn't matter if the joke is old or not, he's still spreading it, and seeing it whenever uninformed accusations are made in any community would be cool. EDIT: so no need to hate breaking it to me, as it doesn't change my stance and only gives me a better understanding of the meme.

[@TeacherGus]

Very good clearance on LeKukie. major respect for you

[@ShadowHunter120]

I can't look at this thumbnail without wincing now.

[@Connie_TinuityError]

You are not alone.

[@WannaHaveaBlastTime3715]

"Hello you absolute legends" Man that hits so good whenever I hear him say that ( ´◡‿ゝ◡`)

[@shoelessbeats]

The irony of Dream accusing someone else of cheating

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Cheaters are hypocritical. It's part of their rotten character.

[@xartecmana]

It's not irony or hypocrisy, it's an attempt to retain his image as innocent and that he condemns cheating too.

[@TheTrueBrawler]

Didn't all that happen before Dream started cheating though? It seemed to me like he cared about preventing cheaters at one point but turned to the dark side after the fact.

[@randomguyonyoutube5875]

@@TheTrueBrawler yeah... he suppossed to destroy them. not join them.

[@karlbjorn1831]

Amazing video as always Jobst

[@celticsuave]

Top notch as always Karl, you absolute legend!

[@QuestionYourWorld]

I was in the middle of a video when I got the notification. Screw that other guy. I'm here now.

[@justdoodles9906]

It's legend time 😎 🔥

[@chadd990]

did you ever finish watching that other video, or are you perpetually watching this video?

[@QuestionYourWorld]

@@chadd990 lol I did go back after a few videos.

[@gogohoffman]

lol that “fake, he’s not eating pizza” part at the end 😂

[@twistedninjafishz2683]

I've just got to say I haven't watched every video on your channel but the ones I have watched I've enjoyed you are a good content creator keep it up man 😊

[@rozasupreme]

Someone is feeding him Pizza off camera so he can keep both hands on the controller

[@adrigl3371]

I saw Dream on the thumb and was startled, for a brief moment I thought he was gonna say that Dream didn’t cheat.

[@princesscrystal6410]

Tbh if it was one run, I think everyone would just chalk it up to rng of absurdity

[@adrigl3371]

@@princesscrystal6410 yeah, pretty much

[@carteljameson8395]

@@princesscrystal6410 Uh... no. It wasn't rng. He cheated. Period.

[@joechristo2]

@@carteljameson8395 of course this person is just saying how it would be if it was one run

[@D_YellowMadness]

@@princesscrystal6410 Even then, his lack of surprise would pretty much tell all.

[@Super_Suchi]

Dream accusing someone of cheating is the biggest “pot calling the kettle black” moment I’ve ever seen.

[@Tushii]

This time the kettle wasn't blacc tho ;)

[@billy6678]

how have i never heard of that saying? I googled it and it reminds me of "you became the very thing you swore to destroy"

[@Trep3]

he never accused anyone of cheating

[@majorgnarl]

Your videos are always so well researched and presented that I soon won't even care what they are about! Damn fine job... st!

[@speedy_brennan]

I always look forward to you saying "Hello you absolute legends" on your videos.

[@tonynova]

New speedrun category: How fast can you get accused of faking a speed run?

[@alex2005z]

Give me 20 mins. Let me just use creative mode to go faster.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

I made a sock puppet account to accuse myself

[@ChigginWhengz]

Dude. I feel for LeKukie, man. It Sucks to be trying your damnest to prove your legitimacy in a field, just for people to constantly scoff at your talents. Much love to him. Great vid Karl!

[@peterhoulihan9766]

Well... the fact that he got caught cheating previously doesn't help. If he was just some new guy joining the community I don't think anyone would be scrutinising him this much.

[@legendarywiimaster]

The problem is that there were reasons to doubt his run, obviously he was caught cheating in the Mario Kart DS community

[@rogofos]

this preview did not age well