Everything might change forever this century (or we’ll go extinct)

[@RationalAnimations]

Now you know why it was taking so long. This is our most important video so far. Note on the part about slavery: A lot of people have pointed out that, despite slavery being formally abolished in every nation, it is still practiced in many places around the world. We recognize that this issue remains unsolved, and we did not mean to minimize the problem. Our main point was that many things about our world that we take for granted could fundamentally change in the future, and we wanted to highlight slavery as one historical example of something big that began to change. Also, sorry for misspelling "agriculture" and for any other spelling mistake that might have slipped. Sometimes the motherland comes out. 🟠 Patreon: www.patreon.com/rationalanimations 🔵 Channel membership: kzbin.info/door/gqt1RE0k0MIr0LoyJRy2lgjoin 🟤 Ko-fi, for one-time and recurring donations: ko-fi.com/rationalanimations

[@nelsony2134]

i love your channel and i love science stuff!!!!

[@rexmann1984]

I think AI is a suicide pact technology. It's something that could destroy us or we'll expend so many resources trying to achieve it instead of putting them in something else that could save us.

[@miflofbierculles5117]

how do you only have 53K subs? This is criminal.

[@nelsony2134]

When will you live forever

[@yahiawaleed828]

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[@Twenty-Seven]

I never really thought about the fact that for most of human history the generational gaps in knowledge were basically nonexistent. There was no feeling of "my grandpa doesn't know how to use any modern technology." We're some of the first generations to not rely on elders for knowledge about living in this society since times are rapidly changing. That's heavy.

[@wizdomofmark]

I might make a video on this. This is such an interesting idea bravo!!

[@b0b0-]

Today's generation is alarmingly uninformed about the real world, they have endless distractions that previous generations did not have. These distractions have gone so far as to make them unable to have proper human relationships. I'm not saying all are like this but it is an alarming trend noted by many social scientists.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Well there was the collapse of the Roman empire . It's technological knowledge about architecture , water management, agriculture, concrete , etc,etc was lostm and it took centuries before Europe learned to re-build . .So that could happen to us as well.

[@rowbot5555]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 not saying you're entirely incorrect, but from what I've seen, it was also that due to the economy of scale, many of the technologies from the Roman empire were not really feasible for the much smaller fragmented powerblocs in post roman European countries. It's a bit like the fact that many native Indian American tribes used to use copper tools, but stopped using them after it became more of an effort to extract the copper than the benefits provided. The original inhabitants of the island of Tasmania also seemingly went back in technological advancement after they were cut off from the mainland of Australia.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

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[@anneshepard]

Born too late to explore the world and too soon to explore the galaxy. But born at the right time to change everything

[@edoardotinaru6456]

lmao I never write comments on yt but your phrase gave me chills

[@RandomPerson28337]

You ain't changing shxt. You will die and be forgotten forever. We all will. Society hasn't changed it just looks different but we still got the same problems and it will be like that until we go extinct.

[@MNguyen-xOrbita]

@@RandomPerson28337someone has losing issues 🙈🙉

[@Nordlicht05]

​@@MNguyen-xOrbitathe possibility is there that change come on our backs. So at least be prepared to whatever 😂

[@meoff7602]

​@@RandomPerson28337We didn't even start out as a society. So yeah lots has changed.

[@dmonschild3818]

Slavery, whilst illegal, is still practiced in certain parts of the world, particularly by company's from the countries that have outlawed slavery. I think what Adam Smith may have been referring too, is that from how he saw humans behave, it was something in human nature such as greed that caused slavery to be impossible to eradicate entirely.

[@stefantkalcic1491]

Yea, there are thousands of slaves in the USA, what events this. Buddy needs more Marx, less Smith .

[@ceesno9955]

@@stefantkalcic1491 Millions..mate. Millions!

[@W1ldSm1le]

​@@stefantkalcic1491 I'll take what passes for slavery in the US over the human induced famines of communism. how you could look at the body count of Marxism and still seriously advocate it is baffling.

[@nerdasaurus9358]

@@ceesno9955 millions... Like the 9 million people who starve to death in capitalist countries every year

[@vappyreon1176]

Humans however are not inherently greedy. There's thousands of years of archeological evidence on top of current day sociological studies that find humans are very altruistic creatures. Slaves tend to come from either a perceived necessity of free labor, such as under capitalism, or from the need to control a population, like in Sparta. Further, especially under capitalism, slavery happens under elites and business owners, not as something owned by the general population

[@st.altair4936]

With the insane pace of AI development right now, this video is seeming more and more accurate...

[@realchix]

on goddd bro

[@michaelbuckers]

Haha yeah. RIP GPT, used to be sort of cool even if super obtuse, now straight up stupid.

[@qwardel7799]

​@@michaelbuckersehh, capitalism? I guess? I mean people did a ton of things that were against ToS so they just dumbed it down every time. Also they could have just restricted its power to free users, idk never used that thing

[@kaden-sd6vb]

I feel like we're living through a Scandroid song. Just without all the cool neon shit. "SO LAY WASTE TO ALL WE MADE, FOR YOUR CORPORATE PALISADE"

[@ProfessorJayTee]

I commonly repeat the same thing to people: One CANNOT predict the future simply by extending current trends into the future. Most don't get it.

[@ChrisWalker-fq7kf]

Yes. But projecting our recent period of exponential growth into the future is also making the same mistake. Technological progress proceeding exponentially is a current trend. We should not assume it will continue indefinitely. Technologies mature. For any particular technology, the exponential levels off to make an S-curve. The aggregate only keeps growing exponentially because we find new technologies. That has to eventually come to an end.

[@timeenoughforart]

Like a new hatchling I am imprinted with the idea of progress. My brain will be focused on "progress" and fail to see regression.

[@awegahn]

Give all the alien contactee testimony, time traveller testimony and channellers: One thing that this guy overlooks is that a few specific technological discoveries/advances will fundamentally change the entire idea of an economy. Once you have the "duplicator" or better called the "replicator" like it is called in Star Trek, where you only need to have the atomic structural data, not the actual thing as well as "zero point energy" (in other words "free energy from the quantum field") There is an unlimited amount of resources available, true to the nature of the universe. Once these technologies are released to the public sphere (because they already exist but are supressed, that is also why technological advances has "slowed down" the last century) we wont have need for "economical growth", "competition", "taxes", "banks", "loans" even "government" in the sense as we know it today. What will matter will be living in harmony with nature, holistic and ecologically sound lifestyles at the same time we zoom around space and discover the universe (because yeah, there will be "antigravity" too). Even more so non-material subjects will become more important as all material needs are met. In other words, spirituality will become the next focus.

[@GamerBoyRobby]

​@Chris Walker apple is already starting to experience this. Can't remember where I heard but apparently they are struggling with the new 3nm processor production, sounds like we are hitting the physical size limits for how small transistors can be. This could just be a temporary roadblock though

[@skehleben7699]

That, is an excellent point! Thank you, lots to think about!

[@stebansan]

the fact that AI has evolved SO much just since this video has been released is insane. AI is on the rise and AGI is much closer than we think.

[@taylorpdavis]

Came here to say this. As he was listing off characteristics of what AGI "should" be, I was thinking to myself, "they've already implemented this a month ago."

[@doggo6517]

Our current generation* is the singularity, apparently. It's wild. * (and the many generations of machine constructs that will be iterated in our lifespans)

[@fabiorodrigo3638]

Well, if "AGI until 2100" is closer than you think, so, yeah. AGI in 75+ years from now is the most "healthy" guess made by very bright people (dont need to trust me, just google it).

[@GamingDistortion]

there was a recent paper that claims GPT4 is the first spark of AGI

[@ThaGreenGoloco]

@@GamingDistortion It might be, what I've read about it is as amazing as unsettling, and it's bound to force changes in societies all over the world, soon.

[@k-drex4826]

I think when Carl said we were insignificant, he wasn't trying to belittle the human species, but instead was trying to counter the inflated sense of self and superiority that we give ourselves. We're not insignificant and we're not significant, we are equal to everything else in creation..... treating things outside of ourselves the way we treat ourselves is the key to synchronicity.

[@alexknox814]

Macro and microcosm when man thinks outside of himself, he's really trying to understand himself better.

[@Leto85]

I find it very interesting how you showed how the rapid change in technology has such a vital impact on how generations look at each other. 'Grandma, please don't touch the television while we're gone' could be a 1955 equivalent to the modern 'Mom, an MMO can't be put on pause.' Before this rapid change in technology the elderly were approached for their wisdom. Now it can be hard for this same elderly to keep up with new technology. This alone shows how the rapid change of technology impacts social structures as well. And this video showed that very well.

[@chefscorner7063]

And if all this new technology ever breaks down suddenly (solar mass ejection, EMP, etc,) we elders will have to rebuild society and teach you all how to survive again without this Technology helping you. So don't write us off so easily or so soon!!🙎‍♂️🤔😏 Cheers...👍✌️💪

[@mogboVA]

​@chefscorner7063 I'm not sure society as a whole can be rebuilt so easy. Things out of elders' control are gonna happen if everything goes down like you said

[@FaCtlandDREAMstreams]

Or dad might say, “son, the MMO you talk about evolved from the MUDs my generation developed and played.” The rate of change may be faster, but what is NOW evolved from something that came before.

[@robertsandlin366]

@@chefscorner7063 Clearly my elders were superior by means of being treated superior. If you mistreat elders in Native American societies, you are eventually explained why elders are important and have a purpose, including the fact that they can be happy.

[@chefscorner7063]

@mogboVA Never said it'd be easy, but it's certainly possible IMHO. ✌️🤙

[@gramounkal]

OMG, I love how you presented the duplicator as some sort of "wildest" case, and then showing that it's peanuts compared to what AI, even narrow AI, could do. Puts the crazy in great perspective.

[@mattheww.6232]

We are already ran into the limit of productivity. The ability to consume the products of that productivity produces and how long that product is consumed.

[@DagarCoH]

@@mattheww.6232 Dunno about you, but I don't see us be at the limit here. I live a good life, but there are many things that I would consume that right now I cannot, because they are not cheap enough. And that also goes for things "I do not have the time for", because in much of my time awake, I am working to earn the things my family and I consume.

[@godofdeath8785]

As always irrational fear of ai

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@mattheww.6232 Tying productivity to consumption is on of our biggest mistakes.

[@fritt_wastaken]

@@godofdeath8785 You might wanna check his (Robert Miles) channel. Those fears are exactly the opposite from irrational, they are well thought out

[@camwyn256]

"There are two kinds of scientific progress: the methodical experimentation and categorization which gradually extend the boundaries of knowledge, and the revolutionary leap of genius which redefines and transcends those boundaries. Acknowledging our debt to the former, we yearn nonetheless for the latter." -Academician Prokhor Zakharov

[@OriginalDonutposse]

It’s great this person’s parents thought to name their child Academician. Very prescient of them.

[@camwyn256]

@@OriginalDonutposse Academician is a title

[@eddiebreen5933]

Or the science money buys and what agenda is getting pushed

[@camwyn256]

@@eddiebreen5933 right. Like Trump's Operation Warpspeed, that pushed the development of vaccines and also Trump granted legal immunity to Pfizer for any and all damages incurred by the vaccines

[@eddiebreen5933]

Like every other owned so called leader of the free world lol

[@TheCrimsonOne508]

8 months later and GPT-4 is being scientifically described as having “sparks of AGI”. The acceleration of this tech is mind boggling, the world 5 years from now may be wildly different to even 2019.

[@EndSchneider]

"2023" the year of the cliff.

[@thedave8097]

Humanity might go extinct and be replaced by the AI we left behind

[@Theeight8b]

@@thedave8097 I still have my bottle of salted water for it.

[@int-64]

Surely it was not planned 💀 It's another channel sponsored by Gates to push his narrative.

[@robbierobot9685]

2-3 years to the singularity is my current prediction. Base on 'emergent behaviors over time'. That graph has turned the curve on the hockey stick imo.

[@Bogdanko93]

"Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment is either a madman or an economist" - some smart dude

[@jessstirland8338]

Assuming we gain access to the Infinite universe......we will be fine.

[@ankitSharma-uo6zf]

@@jessstirland8338exact😌✨😍

[@ankitSharma-uo6zf]

@@jessstirland8338why we are here and for what? Who created the universe and what’s the point man?

[@ntseinfo3082]

@@ankitSharma-uo6zf I don't understand what you're saying

[@kreiskhaos8516]

​@@jessstirland8338 that is assuming that the universe is infinite

[@MrSpherical]

Sincerely respect the effort you guys put into the videos, and the length of them

[@balighgid6942]

WTF ARE YOU DOING

[@seetheanimal5867]

@@balighgid6942 doing what he is paid for, supporting this trashb

[@featheranimations2798]

Never expected that

[@dnickaroo3574]

One hundred years ago: got a return of 100 barrels Oil by spending One Barrel; In 1970 got 25 Barrels of Oil by spending One Barrel; In 2000 got 10 Barrels of Oil by spending One Barrel; In 2020 get 3.5 Barrels of Oil by spending One Barrel. Economic Development follows Use of Oil extremely precisely. It takes about 40 to 50 years for a New Technology to be adopted.

[@SeekYHWHsface]

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

I'm impressed by the exponential growth in doggo cuteness. Predictions in the field of AI are notoriously bad. 10 years ago people expected AIs to become more rational, not to start creating creepy art and stories with a dreamlike quality.

[@adamnevraumont4027]

Which people? Random people in media you consume?

[@Nebulon-B_Frigate_FTW]

Predictions about AI becoming super logical thinking, or coming just around the corner, at this stage are simply unscientific, they are random speculation fueled by science fiction (in turn fueled by a layman's understanding of how computers are unlike us). The stuff being called "AI" here is just machine-learning (and mostly artificial neural networks, an approach based on acting like a simplified brain), which is well-understood and only really working so much because of cheap computing and data; as far back as the 70s, ANNs were developing bizarre solutions to highly complex problems where rational approaches would fail. Even the 2060s estimate of AI researchers is almost certainly a rosy picture influenced by their hopes, and I think the idea we can just pay for a sufficiently-large ANN to get AGI one day, as this video looks at, is misguided. ANNs will certainly play roles, and may even do most of them better than AGI, but they are not necessarily AGI.

[@yitzakIr]

I have a background in ML and I've been a skeptic for years. Dall-E knocked my socks off, I thought something like that wouldn't be possible for another century. When AGI comes it's gonna be some disappointingly simple concept, backed up by massive amounts of data

[@zeehero7280]

the creepy aspect is due to a machine not sharing human sensibilities in what is "creepy" or "dreamlike"

[@Vaeldarg]

What we have are pattern recognition algorithms. It's just the patterns being recognized can be made up OF patterns. That's how it can quickly balloon in complexity. (meaning recognizing patterns of patterns of patterns...................)

[@pedroumpierre5603]

This channel really is amazing, but I feel bad. I feel bad that such amount of work with a incredible script, narration, drawing and animation doesn't have millions os views. You deserve a lot more. Love your videos, and I wish I could afford patreon, but I can only give you my like. I hope one day you became widely recognized on KZbin

[@i-am-evil-morty6710]

Comes with time and dedication

[@Freakingbean]

They're at over 50k now. They will grow exponentially. Let's see if we can help them get to 100k by the end of 22. They actually deserve it.

[@SergAI]

+1 to previous comments Also I think sometimes its better to not blow up overnight because that kind of audience doesn’t tend to stick around

[@omgdflea]

wait until the swarm of hungry data bots get a hold of this channel. then it'll have million of views. no seriously why do you think most other channels have so many views etc. more than 50 and my guess is 90 percent is bots. but the real scary thought is, are they self aware 😳

[@isiahfriedlander5559]

Patreon this guy

[@nolanmajor9610]

Insane how this video was made just 9 months before the arrival of GPT4 and the popularization of ChatGPT and other LLMs. Only a year later, the growth rate is staggering, with models becoming cheaper, new SOTA breakthroughs with token size, long-term memory, even synthetic training data. With different API's and implementations of algorithms throughout the economic world, productivity among humans has never had so much potential. Only time will tell now whether the most important problem(s): alignment, will be solved and humanity reaches it's singularity. Astounding video to educate people about where we are in history.

[@miaharvey9609]

The radical change thesis could also go in reverse, the possibility that we could have a dark age as radical as the growth we have had.

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. It’s important to remember that it’s the doing that’s key. Look inside and do your inner healing. To be forgiven we must forgive-

[@miaharvey9609]

@@jamesmayle3787 haha I also read Harry Potter and The Lord of Rings, they have the same chance of being true as the Bible

[@anthonybertin1574]

Very true that it could go in reverse but if existence is forever and evolution leads to god like state then it would just be a matter of probability of wich civilization will come out of existence still standing with a belief system that isnt emcopessed by greed of power, but the chances that its are civilization that will lead existances is slim to none seeing how consuming are society is. Will end up consuming everything tills nothing and then boom back to square one were another big bang might occur. The circle of life the circle of existence. Theres no other point to it. I believe that creation created god. There was never a meaning until we decided theres one. Same way a star decided to light in the face of the eternal abyss of space. For no other purpose then to exist. To be or not to be. Good or bad both have a place. Nothing is something. Something is nothing

[@lucyhanks500]

@@jamesmayle3787 when you say ‘doing’, are you referring to action, or encryption? I find flanking language narcissistic sometimes, like watching Mr Collins in Pride and Predudice slimily sneak his hand under the table to touch and see if they’ll accept it. Obviously people that are trained to accept these subtle violations of space don’t appear to feel any uncomfortability or they’d reject such ways of such insidious trespasses, rather than term them ‘sensitive’, ‘well mannered’, ‘spiritually and emotionally healthy’ or, ‘reciprocated’.

[@awkwardbound569]

@@jamesmayle3787 Read the Quran and repent, I believe in you!!

[@Shatterverse]

My problem with predicting the future is that it's impossible to account for curve balls and Black swan events - especially when it comes to people and politics. Predictions tend towards either optimistic or way, _way_ too pessimistic. I can only suspect that there's no fix to this problem because nobody has seemed to do so yet, with the possible caveat of the consequences of climate change being understated. While some future predictions do seem to be understated, it does seem to be an outlier. The fact of the matter is that the expression "may you live in interesting times" was coined as a curse. I, for one, am _so fucking tired_ of living in interesting times.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

These times are not at all interesting in the slightest and the impact climate change is going to have on the world is dramatically overstated.

[@ThePioneeringPixel]

@@neo-filthyfrank1347 elaboration on "the impact climate change is going to have on the world is dramatically overstated"?

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

@@ThePioneeringPixel Most economists argue that it'll have something like a -3% impact on the global GDP in the coming century or whatever. I think it's mostly 14 year olds wanting to live in interesting times hyping it up to some world ending thing because they saw a documentary on it and got depression from the background music.

[@موسى_7]

@@neo-filthyfrank1347 I really think it will be very violent. When people get poor because of things like climate, they may not be starving, but just hungry, they get violent. Especially when they have different social views. Imagine communists migrating to a religious country for example. Or simply economic migrants being targeted by xenophobes for taking their jobs. The real danger of climate change is that we cannot be sure exactly of the social effects, even if we understand the effects on nature. This is because macroeconomics is not easy.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

@@موسى_7 I'm doubtful of that. You must always use caution when assuming trends you see now are going to continue, because they usually don't. If you want environmental issues overfishing is liable to many times worse than climate change, but I don't think that's going to go unsolved either. Fish farming coupled with genetic engineering, etc.

[@PikKraken8]

As someone who wants to major in computer science, this video gave me an existential crisis.

[@meringue3288]

It's important to take care of our mental health so that we can help humanity more effectively.

[@robertsandlin366]

@@meringue3288 This assumes that humanity will then benefit our mental health in return. This is like using the wrong tool for the required result for hundreds of years, and doing the same thing many other people did that didn't work.

[@sw8871]

Wow little did any of us know that we would be so close to AGI within a year of this video

[@feloniousfloyd2203]

It’s not happening. This is like Bitcoin all over again. It’s not a thing. Neither are robots. AI just plagiarizes things that are on the Internet. We all do it. This is just a gimmick.

[@brulsmurf]

We are close to AGI since the 70s. Just like we are close to colonizing space since the 70s.

[@sw8871]

@@brulsmurf I said the same thing 4 years ago

[@R4G3FULL]

I hope y’all are right. The idea of Ai being this powerful is absolutely terrifying.

[@lucidityFX]

@@brulsmurf Take a look around you and you're seriously saying that?

[@darriansea]

Happy to see you posted again! Was just looking at your channel yesterday hoping you hadn't "retired" quite yet

[@JMD501]

It's really funny for me it was 3 days ago I watched a few videos from this channel and watched all of his videos on reward functions from his other channel and computerphile, super interesting.

[@HappyWulf]

Same. Literally just this morning.

[@nataliekennedy4646]

Indeed

[@ud0ntevenkn0wme]

Can you show me more awesome channels like this

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@supremereader7614]

That was a great video, very intelligent and well done. I certainly notice and appreciate the numerous citations - and also the animations.

[@AtlasCompleXtheProd]

@@b48292 if comments like this happen every time someone tries to help, no one will want to help anymore

[@ananolastname1605]

@@b48292 and you sound jealous and bitter. Are you that offended that somebody decided to donate money towards what they felt like was an incredibly informative video that they have a lot of respect for the people's time and putting the video and information together for others to sit back and watch and enjoy for free? It says a lot more about you than it does them. Actually it shows that they're very appreciative of the time and dedication that was committed towards putting this video together and for you that shows exactly as I said that you're jealous and bitter. If you yourself wanted that $5 then maybe put a video together but you commit a lot of time and energy into. The amount of hate that people spread in the comments is just fucking pathetic. Do better. Or don't it's up to you. However just know that karma is a bitch and what you put out will return to you. So don't be surprised and don't blame anybody but yourself.

[@vorgeschichte713]

Maybe a subjective take, but coming from a European rural village, I found the beginning of the 2020s to already have been full of innovations: We got our first ever 3d-Printer, robot vacuum cleaner and AI applications seem to be going through the roof recently(e.g. Dall-E mini; for a free service, I consider it quite awesome).

[@wolfetteplays8894]

3d printers were around since 2010, you dunce

[@leek6927]

I live in a rural town and that stuff has been available and used as long as it’s been around in larger cities.

[@jose.montojah]

YEES!!! We can't just _L U M P_ us all toghether in data if we are not willing to have everything in _C O M M O N_ . Tis an illusion and lying by dataism. The planet is not overcrowded, *C I T I E S A R E* !

[@KRYMauL]

Yeah, these technologies have been around for a good 20 years. However, they are becoming more widespread.

[@charliepearce8767]

@@KRYMauL July 21 Dall e mini Before that non existent so Google tells me.

[@elfmonster1476]

To my understanding, since this video came out the timeline has been shifted so drastically, the median response now is the 2027-2035 range.

[@tw8464]

Yep. It's crazy how fast it's going now

[@nutbastard]

GPT is still really bad at some things but since launch? Easily 10 times better with 4o. I think 2027 is when things will snap, with a lot of massive non AGI improvements in between. I don't see this tech suddenly hitting a wall, physical world disrupting disasters notwithstanding. Hardware has slowed in some respects but only because we are up against physical constraints with nanolithography (2nm architecture is wild) and bit flipping via quantum tunneling, but error correction is taking care of that. Replacing all human labor will take longer simply because we need to build billions of robots to make that a reality, so 2040 to ramp that up, and holy hell will we drag our feet to maintain the status quo, for that at best. We won't have robots building factories to make robots before then, and it will still be niche. I say 2036 (but still expensive and niche) before we have the hardware (the software will be ready well before that) Where you can just rent a fleet of robots, give them a budget, and put them to work on, well, anything. Dig a garden, wash your car, refloor your bathroom. Everyone is clamoring over AI but we are physical beings, with physical needs, and until the robots are mass produced by robots, not that much will change.

[@doublepinger]

It's kinda nightmarish to think about. Years ago, before Corona, I got kinda "blacklisted" from tech. A lack of work history, downward spiral, yadda yadda. Last year got in with a company, doing little... but it's minimum wage. By the end of 2023, most big tech ventures were laying off left and right "haha facebook had HOW MANY people working on meta?". This year, Intel might sell off its FOUNDRY sector, and now most web 'service' providers are laying off people, with forecasts of "tech support centers" being a transition technology as AI takes over phone calls. Most humans are going to be categorized by need and desire of the Owners. Should we be rats connecting wires and digging poles and painting facades, for vast technology oligarchies, or let to live in a blissful train ride of irrelevancy... in how many years? 10? 20?

[@kishorgartaula1446]

This is hands down among the best channels I've came across on KZbin yet! Such insightful analysis along with such cute doggo animations. I'm so glad that I've found your channel. Have been binge watching your videos for the past hour & think, will finish watching all the videos today. Thank you for putting out such amazing information!

[@groovinhooves]

I think the pace of technological development is still pretty rapid, but mainly in less immediate areas of general interest and/or infrastructural applicability. Speaking of infrastructure, projects have become massive in some cases made possible precisely due to major advances in metallurgy and other materials sciences indistinguishable from magic to folks even at the beginning of the "jet age."

[@StoutProper]

In less immediate areas of general interest? Instead to whom?

[@Untilitpases]

There's a common sense saying in astrophysics: "If your equations point to an infinite somewhere in space, odds are it's an equation quirk rather than a real natural oddity". In a similar fashion, projecting a power law distribution is unfortunately still "working with past assumptions." Case in point, semiconductors, population growth etc. Looked powerlaw-ish until reality knocked on the door. The scientific method can NEVER go beyond the *problem* *of* *induction*, something philosophers as early as pre-Socratics knew.

[@NiceMicroTV]

my thoughts exactly. A singularity in the equations doesn't mean "whacky things incoming", but rather means "the assumptions this equation is based on aren't valid anymore".

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Except usually when anything diverges to infinity like that, you can easily smell there's a problem. You can say it's most likely the limitations of your models, measurements and calculations. Here it's a different story because everything points to that. How is this century NOT the turning point? That's what I find hard to answer.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

Blackholes are common in astrophysics.

[@TheRealMagicBananaz]

Ayup. While A.I will be big, I don't think it's even possible to build something *smarter than humans, because we don't even really understand what general intelligence is. Sure we can make something that's 'smarter' at a specific task, but if human brains were that specialized then they'd instantly outperform even the best computer. You can't make something that's perfect at everything - there's just not enough resources, and so creating general intelligence runs into the same problem we do: that if pragmatism. If you want something then you have to sacrifice something, that's simply how the universe works. Even our technology today doesn't make us smarter than humans of the past, so i think assuming that, even if ai could reach a point of general intelligence, we could make it smarter than us is do foolhardy

[@Number6_]

There is no common sense in astrophysics, just a lot of fantasists who believe they are smarter than all the rest.

[@gomezmario.f]

You can argue that Adam smith was right, slavery does still exist, it just changed form. I think his sentiments on the issue is still fundamentally accurate.

[@theredking9458]

One thing the analysis in the beginning misses is the idea of low hanging fruit. In any given field or industry there will be some things that will be easy enough to discover and/or invent, but as time goes on these things become less and less common and the things left become harder and harder to develop or discover (take fusion vs fission as an example). If we assume this to be the case, then it wouldn't be strange to have an explosion of discovery and invention over a short period of time after something like the industrial revolution, like we've had, and then see a slow decline in the number of things discovered and invented, even as total world productivity increases. Just another possible idea.

[@nickyblue4866]

💯

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. It’s important to remember that it’s the doing that’s key. Look inside and do your inner healing. To be forgiven we must forgive-

[@theredking9458]

The vatican got a tech team creating bots for them now?

[@colbyboucher6391]

@@theredking9458 It's really mostly Evangelicals. Catholics are too busy eating bits of God on Sundays.

[@ChannelMath]

the real question occurs before the sinngularity, when AI becomes effective enough at doing most human work, making most people obsolete: Will the masters of capital allow us, the masses, to live, independent of the economic value we provide? Unfortunately, I believe the answer is no. We will have to make them. This is the the most important struggle that will determine the future of humanity. It is essential that we become self-aware, as a whole, as a species, before the algorithms do. Because the algorithms will be controlled by our economic masters.

[@OgdenM]

Sadly good luck with getting people to become self aware.

[@ricaroanimar6695]

Plus climate catastrophy growing to apocalyptic size... So take this crisis and put it into a world without natural ecosystems, extreme weather's out of every arse, hundreds of millions refugees in Europe and america, far more than we had EVER seen A much smaller map due to floodings and Russia being the most powerful country becouse the are actually winners and not just loosers becouse their cold areas become warm. Ouh and outside of climate>Democracys dying everywhere and populist and capitalism going super charged with companys becoming powerful enough to buy fucking land (looking at u Amazon) and make their own rules.(outside of classic corruption "lobbyism") So yeah EVERYTHINGS FUCKED

[@bigfetaslap7204]

@@OgdenM I’m surprised that a lot of people aren’t, I guess it depends on how desensitized you become throughout your life before you can avoid being worn down by it.

[@phosphorusgold2391]

THIS. Machines need to be owned by the common folk, if they are owned by the rich few, we could be facing the start of a new feudal system, or even slavery.

[@davewallace5008]

So long as the Macidees and beer keep flowing most will remain willfully ignorant.

[@MrHorthoren]

Everything is changeing. People are coming to understanding. It's on our doorstep right now. Be here now was an incredible stepping stone and grounding.

[@avgchoobafan]

Some years ago the expectancy of AI replacing jobs was that AI would start from the most mundane jobs and on the endgame replace artistic and creative activities. Nowadays that concept is totally on its head and we got AI tackling almost every artistic and creative role at the same time in the span of 3 years more or less. It's only one example but I'm sure there's more examples of predictions resulting in the wrong end taking the first hit. So maybe the most risk free way to think about human future is predict the most logical way forward and just assume that the total opposite is equally possible.

[@doublepinger]

There was the same "foolishness" when they started on early optimization or solving, problems... Chess! Oh what a game for those of sharp wit and... oh, it was LITERALLY one of the first tasks we optimized and _solved_ behind human ability? Oh... huh... what about Go? That's pretty - oh a couple years ago, huh. What about uhhh... ("walking?") What do you mean by walking? We've barely solved WALKING!?! Ironically since AI is great at handling information and not so much the wet stuff, CEOs, managers, "intelligent laboreres!" are sooner to be automated than... janitors. Getting closer by the day.

[@KhelanBhatt]

I was moved by your concluding remarks. 30:10 onwards is incredibly inspiring, humbling and adds a sense of gravity to what lies before us. Thanks for creating this content!

[@ozzi9816]

Originally I had more criticisms, but you addressed most of them later in the video, so bravo for that. Of the remaining issues: I think AI is going to hit a wall in the next few years due to certain factors. Processing power will hit a wall because microchips are running into a hard size limit due to quantum fluctuations affecting the electrical circuits, and deep learning as you mentioned is very data hungry and we are quickly approaching an exponential drop-off in terms of data fed to results given. Not to mention there are some tasks that deep learning is infamously bad at, such as dealing with novel inputs- a contest to write an AI that could beat a randomized roguelike video game was held a couple years back and the winner out of a sea of deep learning based algorithms was a simple symbol manipulation algorithm. I personally think a hybrid symbol manipulation-deep learning model is the way to go and certain recent programs (such as an advanced protein folding algorithm) have deployed it to great success, but from what I’ve seen there’s a lot of bad blood between deep learning and symbol manipulation parties within the computer science field. Also we’ve traditionally not focused on optimization as we could rely on hardware getting exponentially more powerful to deal with that deficit, but now that we’re running up against a wall it’s not something we can ignore any longer in my opinion. I also noticed a distinct lack of the mention of ethics in your video. Lawmaking and ethical concerns are a major driver in technological breakthroughs (and holding them back). We’ve been able to clone animals for years now but it’s not in wide use due to the massive ethical concerns it poses. Lawmaking too can hold back progress (though sometimes for the better of humanity). We’ve had the ability to do drone delivery for packages for quite a while but it’s only just recently that many major cities have allowed companies to legally. I know this channel is about the bigger picture, but it feels remiss to not include at least a footnote on the topic of ethics in societal progress. EDIT: Some general addendums - I’m aware quantum computing/computers exist, but at the moment the technology is in its infancy and is extremely expensive to produce and requires extreme conditions to maintain (namely supercooling) - The ethical issues around cloning include: the consent of the person being cloned, the consent of the clone, the issue of eugenics and negatively affecting the diversity of the human gene pool, and the clone being treated like a robot by essentially being brought into the world to fulfill a specific purpose - I’ve noticed a general attitude of “my conclusion is the logical one and no one should have an issue with it. If they do then they’re backwards.” In my experience that doesn’t change peoples’ minds, especially people who don’t agree with you in the first place. To actually change minds, you need to listen to people who don’t agree with you and try to understand why they think that way. You don’t have to agree with them, but if you don’t try to understand them then no communication can be had- closing yourself off to opposing opinions is the exact “warrior mindset” that this very channel has done a video on previously. Just try to be good people, okay?

[@mal2ksc]

I'd beg to differ on the point of animal cloning not being in wide use due to ethics. I'd say it's due to the cost: $50k and up for a simple cat or dog. But if you've got the money burning a hole in your pocket, ViaGen will clone your pet for you.

[@ozzi9816]

@@mal2ksc oh sure, the cost is definitely part of it. But the elephant in the room is that technically humans should be possible to clone too, if we can do it with animals. The fact that we don’t is definitely due to ethics

[@mal2ksc]

@@ozzi9816 I will agree with both of those premises with respect to _human_ cloning. It is possible, and the cost is high but not insurmountable. It's the ethics that keep it from happening, not the engineering.

[@cherubin7th]

I think AI kind of hit the wall already, and people are just engineering around it to make it work for some tasks. Also keep in mind that clones are often very unhealthy and are babies too.

[@doggo6517]

Politicians and busybodies will generally forbid things they don't understand - I hope you're wrong about the reason cloning is rare, because that would signal a victory of pop sci fearmongering over a relatively non-risky (compared to AI) technology. In particular, cloning would hugely benefit humanity because we'd be able to choose eugenics over out current dysgenics - but due to ideology alone many people consider that a bad thing.

[@owendubs]

I'm really fascinated by this AI boom we've had recently. In retrospect it might be akin to how we were assuming the "worldwide web" or "information superhighway" would solve every problem because seemingly every war boiled down to a lack of proper education and communication to all the tech hippies like Steve Jobs. It'll probably be way more complicated and nuanced than what we can surmise right now and many educated guesses are going to age like milk - but why not guess anyways? The more abstract I talk the more it seems like I'm envisioning the future but it's really just that my words are hollow enough to allow future minds to project themselves onto them like some bland hentai protagonist or something. "The future is going to be beyond what can be perceived right now." or something. Can you know for sure what's going to happen at 2PM next Sunday unless you have explicit plans for then that you have the will and means to carry out?

[@owendubs]

I can tell the future if I say I'm going to click the reply button when I'm done with this message and then I do it.

[@100perdido]

@@owendubs And if you say it and then don't do it? What then?

[@jstcb]

So relatable

[@R462venom]

Hentai protagonist lol

[@ladymecha8718]

11:25 the dark side of the duplicator is that you are choosing who is valuable to duplicate and who is not, or just by who can pay for it. Leaving the rest behind. Forming a new class system of elites or eugenics.

[@GamerGuyplays]

And now, about 8 months after this video, chatGPT-4 shows 'sparks of AGI'. 8 months lads, it took 8 months to go from "Maybe 30-40 years" to "Most likely 10 years". Enjoy the show, for we, the ones alive today, are the only ones in the entire human existence to see such an explosive growth in technology and society. For better, or for worse.

[@sumsarsiranen]

Suppose that artificial intelligence research has succeeded in constructing a computer that behaves as if it understands Chinese. It takes Chinese characters as input and, by following the instructions of a computer program, produces other Chinese characters, which it presents as output. Suppose, that this computer performs its task so convincingly that it comfortably passes the Turing test: it convinces a human Chinese speaker that the program is itself a live Chinese speaker. To all of the questions that the person asks, it makes appropriate responses, such that any Chinese speaker would be convinced that they are talking to another Chinese-speaking human being. Supposes that I am in a closed room and have a book with an English version of the computer program, along with sufficient papers, pencils, erasers, and filing cabinets. I could receive Chinese characters through a slot in the door, process them according to the program's instructions, and produce Chinese characters as output, without understanding any of the content of the Chinese writing. If the computer had passed the Turing test this way, it follows, that I would do so as well, simply by running the program manually. There are no essential differences between the roles of the computer and me in the experiment. Both simply follow a program, step-by-step, producing behavior that is then interpreted by the user as demonstrating intelligent conversation. However, I myself would not be able to understand the conversation. (I don't speak a word of Chinese) Therefore, it follows that the computer would not be able to understand the conversation either.

[@Ockerlord]

Just because you wrote this in English doesn't mean you understand it either.

[@geoffdavids7647]

​@@sumsarsiranen the bit that you are missing is that the combined system of the person and the translator understands. It doesn't really make sense to isolate one part of the system and claim it doesn't understand Chinese, therefore the system doesn't understand Chinese. That would be like claiming our brain doesn't understand visual stimuli just because it is blind with the eyes removed.

[@theTranscendentOnes]

@@sumsarsiranen okay we have the reward for another regurgitator of the Chinese room.

[@1BuFo]

I mean it could still be 20-30 years for all we know

[@jeffjr84]

“An incompetent traitor is no danger. It is rather the capable men who must be watched.” Probably my favorite quote in the whole foundation series.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@WilliamKiely]

Rewatched this video 1.25 years later and it's still the best concise explanation of why right ~now may be the most important time in history -- past or future.

[@GGordonWorleyIII]

everytime rob mentions a study i have this weird experience of realizing my friends are actually respectable researchers and not just internet weirdos

[@dorian4646]

Fr, my most academically accomplished friend is also a furry cosplayer

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@remygallardo7364]

I tend to think that the development of AI and eventually AGI actually does mirror true evolution and that we're putting the focus on the Humans when really the only reason we're making strides toward that Humanity goal is because there is a Cambrian explosion of so many diverse lifeforms. We're exploring and developing tons of amazingly useful and sophisticated but incredibly niche AI these days and that is great because they are by themselves magnificent and effective, but the steadfast obsession with AGI is, in my opinion, only going to be possible by exploring the many branches of artificial life to solve the seemingly infinite problems that hold back AGI. You don't take a rocky oceanic world like proto-earth and shortcut to homo sapiens. You need to solve so many complex intricacies of life to even get the first primate. Just look at what all comprises our DNA and how much of it is shared with the many species across the planet. To make AGI we need worldwide, incredibly diverse and effective AI.

[@cutecowcomments]

What is AGI?

[@remygallardo7364]

@@cutecowcomments Artificial Generalized Intelligence, it is the holy grail for AI developers at the moment, a self aware AI that is capable of working in any field and handling any problem.

[@Sorain1]

Any AGI is, ultimately, going to be a series of narrow AI working in unison. Multi-cellular life and the structure of brains (heck, the structure of cells themselves!) points in that direction. So the 'breakthrough' on AGI is more likely going to be a matter of linking up specialized functions with a central task discerning, breakdown and judgement system. A lot of human processing is below the conscious level and human action is a matter of directing sub-systems to act. I don't think about every single muscle contraction/relaxation required to pick up a cup consciously, (Even if I could think fast enough to do so it is impractical.) I simply desire to pick it up and give the order to do so intuitively. Mass Effect's Geth might have more validity as an AGI model description than most fiction.

[@theTranscendentOnes]

@@Sorain1 good take.

[@cjrbread5928]

@@remygallardo7364that’s a lot of heresy talk for someone with a mechanicus pfp…

[@feffy380]

"Policymakers often take this perspective when crafting policy" What delusional fantasy are you living in where politicians make rational decisions and aren't completely self-serving?

[@MrOfstring]

I wouldn't call taking decisions based on the business as usual scenario something very rational

[@Little_Sidhe]

This channel is a mouthpiece of the WEF agenda

[@lazarusblackwell6988]

Cool animation. THANKS FOR MAKING IT MAN. YOUR EFFORT IS APPRECIATED!

[@mcwhinns]

Rapid advancement towards infinite growth sounds like Zeno's Paradox. It makes me think that the models are too simplistic and missing some key constraints in modelling what's happening.

[@elijahclaude3413]

I really love this long-term thinking!! However, something I noticed was really lacking, especially compared to the Grabby aliens theory, is some more attention to the possibility that growing too fast could be far more risky. In that other video, you mentioned that changing too fast could easily (and is very likely to) introduce various things that could wipe out or significantly set us back as a species. I appreciate how you took time to explain AI timelines and such, but more time really should have been spent focusing on how AI could result in a severe drop in productivity due to it being misused. Someone else in the comments mentioned how AI was predicted to become more 'rational' and used for various productivity-related jobs and such 10 years ago. Instead, what ended up happening is that today, much of AI is used to fine tune social media algorithms and various entertainment-related things to sell more ads, spread misinformation, and lock people into an ever deeper hole of hate and ignorance. My biggest worry is that all this progress will be largely funded, directed, and used for the purposes of extracting ever more profit in the way of consumerism, division, and so on. Sure, some people would use it for better ends, but that sliver of people would either be at a great disadvantage and not really able to effect much positive change, or continuously pressured to privatize and capitalize on their work. Then when you couple this with the environmental damage being done, the societal damage, the psychological, etc.... I just find it really unlikely that we'll make it far enough to become a real space-faring civilization... and certainly not a positive one. All that being said, I do think this is probably the most important century in the history of humanity. And I do think there is a possibility that we can steer things in the right direction. But I think we can only get the best options if we become FAR more conscious and purposeful with how we act as a species. And I think that means focusing on ways to enable the most amount of people to have a say in their own lives and to reach their highest potential. Most decisions today are made by a select few of the richest and most powerful people. These people are rarely ever also the most empathetic or forward-thinking. A great many of them or selfish, greedy, or even if they are somewhat magnanimous, they have a vision for how They think the world should be, regardless of how that would be harmful for many, many other people. (ie they are egotistical) I think the best way to maximize our chances to live is to maximize our ability to adapt to whatever might happen. That means maximizing the amount of people who can identify and solve the various problems that we are already facing, and that will crop up as we move at such a breakneck pace. If we continue how we are today, where only 1-10% of the world actually has a say in how things go, then it inevitably will lead to those people hampering our growth due to missing huge problems, and worse yet, the other 90% of the population rebelling from their authority. We even have ample historical data in past times of rapid change vs societal inequality. There is always a reckoning. Pretty much every single empire and age of 'progress' has been followed by some kind of cataclysm and collapse. We really need to do something different this time, as the sheer scale of our now global societies/empires means there will be global disaster. So yeah, I think more needs to be said about the reality of societal inequality and unrest. It seems a lot of people, even (or especially) in the wealthiest nations feel terribly disenfranchised and helpless. Many people worry more about their bills then future possibilities. We really need to figure out how to build a world where more/most people feel more empowered and hopeful about the positive change they can produce or at least experience.

[@Ozone946]

YES. I was thinking the whole video how it would be wonderful for IA to grow but it will ultimately be used for the benefit of the top and the detriment of the bottom. A tool of oppression I am scared to imagine

[@ghoulbuster1]

Lucky for you, the collapse of civilization is soon. No need to worry about it. Be afraid what the future after that leads to!

[@supersucks]

W COMMENT.

[@supersucks]

this comment is underrated and needs more likes

[@TheColdHarshTruth]

Agreed.

[@capitalistdingo]

The prediction in the 50’s that AI would replace human labour in 20 years is interesting but so is the prediction (I think I know who made it but I’m not sure) that there is a total global market for 5 computers and they would be owned by the richest kings on the planet. Predicting exponential and hyperbolic change is hard. What makes it harder is that the trends driving it are often a temporary part of the larger trend. One looks at the most current technology (say mechanical, clockwork computations) and sees that it will experience certain limitations without anticipating the next technological curve or the one that comes after that. Every time one of these technologies starts to lose momentum the economic incentive to develop a replacement to keep the progress in productivity increases and more money, time and effort gets invested into the next big thing.

[@coolioso808]

Consider that money is not what we need to do things. It is resources that we actually need. Consider that 'economy' is defined as the 'careful management of available resources' and if we look at our current monetary-market system, with all the enormous waste it produces, needlessly, for profit, not for sustainability, we must ask: Why would we expect sustainability from an unsustainable system structure? The answer, of course, is that we can't. We have to think outside the box. Inside the box thinking doesn't do much good. Most, if not all, scientific discoveries came from people thinking outside the box, asking critical questions, finding evidence and developing new ways, better ways, and more efficient ways of doing things. We need a system that encourages the best of us, and discourages the worst of our behaviours. I think we can all agree we don't really want to live in a system with so much oppression, exploitation, inequality and waste. That is clearly not very healthy and we can do better.

[@DavidSartor0]

"total global market for 5 computers" I think that's a misconception. I don't think anyone actually predicted that one.

[@KRYMauL]

I mean they weren't wrong the first robot to be used in manufacturing was in 1962, and it was first thought of in 1954.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@SloppiestNobb]

I wish people would realize that developing AGI in the currently prevailing economic system is an absolute nightmare for the average person

[@o1-preview]

as long as AGI works for everyone, having a job might be something of the past, if you had housing, food and entertainment by AGI, would it be a nightmare to you? There's different ways AGI could be delivered, lets hope its not the nightmarish way

[@KayyFah]

​@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all The issue is more complex than this.

[@o1-preview]

@@KayyFah it sure is, but time is too short to go in depth about it here.

[@Charon.1]

Techbros can only see their shiny new toys

[@2CSST2]

You have absolutely not even .01% of the knowledge and understanding required to make such a statement about the future and its immeasurable complexity that NONE in the world grasps. The fact that you do make it with such complete confidence makes you a moron by itself.

[@AgentM3tallion]

Very well phrased! Been thinking along these lines for 30 years; always had difficulty laying it out for folks. I think I'll direct them to this video instead of ham-fisting my way through the philosophy of how exponentially important our actions may be. Bravo.

[@salmongod9115]

I've been saying for 20 years already, as someone born in 1983, that I'll see utopia or the collapse of modern civilization in my lifetime. I was optimistic in the early 2000's. But we've been fucking up pretty damn hard. Dystopia seems to be winning. We're on a time limit regarding the environment. Civilization hasn't been sustainable since the industrial revolution. Since then, we've been in a race against the depletion of resources and the death of the ecosystem to harness our new powers as a species to develop a way of life that is sustainable, without needing to regress to small scale agrarian or hunter-gatherer. But we have done nothing with our time since I'd say the 70's but double down on consumption as an ideology, and accelerate the countdown. I was optimistic in the early 2000's, because I thought the explosion of access to information and instant global communication would create a population with heightened knowledge, awareness, and capability to fight authoritarianism. And this was true for a small window of time. But by the early 2010's, authoritarian institutions had succeeded in subverting the internet and associated technologies as a more powerful tool of social engineering and surveillance than had ever been seen before. We're not going to reach this future. We don't have time. We could. Easily. But most of us are stuck at bullshit jobs that increase misery in the world, constantly monitored by the employers and governments who rule us, while getting an average of 6 hours a sleep a night for the sake of having a mere couple hours a day to live for ourselves. Futurism like this is nothing more than science fiction entertainment, unless it incorporates the dire need for revolution in order to have any hope of reaching these futures.

[@nielsenaaa]

1976'er here, i have the same opinion, i was also optmistic in the 2000, for the same reasons as you. then around 2010 yes.. then a kind of nail in the coffin in 2020. and today.. we got wokism (idiocy in plain text), epitome of the problem i suspect

[@slickzMdzn]

2000 here. I can definitely see the reasoning behind the things you said. But often enough (even stated in this exact video) there were happening things we weren’t able to recognize just a few decades before. That is not to say that there aren’t rough times ahead of us but I rather take an optimistic approach over anything else. Humans have always adapted to their surroundings and it will likely be the same this time. Other than external factors I don’t think we are able to vanish from this planet any time soon due to our inherent instinct for survival. Many personal mind shifts are induced by radical changes of the circumstances. Maybe the coming catastrophes are just the catalyst for us to wake up from the kind of comfortzone hibernation we have been experiencing in recent years.

[@nerolowell2320]

@@slickzMdzn Remove the globalist and the giant monopolist corporation from their lead and you'll see a huge positive changes in this world

[@nielsenaaa]

@@slickzMdzn You are young and wise. Indeed, *Hope* was the only thing left in pandora's box.. Optimism. But as one gets old, one forgets from time to time ..to remember. Guilty your honor. thx you for your opinion

[@karkof]

🙁👍

[@entertainmentyoutube3606]

i cant believe they animate 32 minutes and the script was amazing too, this is a huge amount of work!!!!

[@josephbelisle5792]

Sorry, I neglected to post my opinion on how well done this video is. Which is a credit to this video as it made me think so much. Great job pointing out the place we are in with respect to technology and AI. Thank you.

[@gabrote42]

As an AI Safety enthusiats and Robert Miles subscriber, this needed to be said. Thank you

[@StoutProper]

This is Robert miles narrating?

[@gabrote42]

@@StoutProper Absolutely! You can see it in the Description, IIRC

[@nikczemna_symulakra]

@@StoutProper What a twist!!! I knew i know that voice from somewhere :]

[@mysund]

Recognized the voice quickly but could not put a name/face to it, suddenly it hit me "that AI guy from computerphile."

[@gabrote42]

@@mysund Glad you remembered him. Check out his channel for his old AI Safety introductions. They are still some of the easiest to understand in the platform

[@4011Harry]

This is literally the best video I've ever seen. VSauce vibes with real academic research

[@Warriorcat49]

I appreciate the tentative optimism in this one. I'm used to the somewhat more cautionary under-(or over-)tones from yours and Miles' videos, so the more hopeful visuals and music here were nice.

[@nothing4youhere540]

The idea of a duplicator has SO MANY problems, I'm not even sure where I would begin to break that down.

[@doublepinger]

"Hey grandpa, we got a new shiny AI coming next week. Fun story, it solves all of the "ethics" problems of the duplicator. Humans are _completely_ removed from the equation."

[@nullprophet10]

Just 8 months after this video's release 90% of software engineer taks are getting automated. And researchers said the models are showing sparks of AGI😳

[@thesecondantagoniser4008]

I'm a software engineer and a lot of that technology is actually being used by software engineers to make their jobs easier. I myself have used chatGPT to solve a number of problems and it's helping me to be more productive rather than taking my job and even if they did take my job I'd probably leverage AI to create my own business and have more freedom.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

@@thesecondantagoniser4008 More productive you are, fewer workers' company needs and there will be more workers than demand of them. With that, companies will leverage giving less salary. Transition to other jobs usually are slow and for many people prequalify is very hard. Anyway, we will get less and less available work, at the end UBI is only solution

[@bonchickenfry1595]

@@thesecondantagoniser4008really, I’ve been looking for my internship because it’s my senior year in college but I started searching kind of late. Do you think you can hook me up with an internship?

[@PRODIGY5369]

Fantastic video. So thought provoking. In our normal lives we are bombarded with information and promises that only relate to the short term. I truly believe contemplating the long term should be more important than the short. Which is why I love these videos, refreshing, inspiring. We definitely need a new attitude, which means new political/social systems. Also, may I say, I wasn't aware of the narrator's channel but I will be heading over there. Such a good presentation style and voice. Which keeps the interest. The animations are comical, so appropriate and add so much value to the points being explained. Thank you so much for the channel. I look forward to your future offerings. "Grabby Aliens" was a game changer for me. ❤️

[@coolioso808]

It's a good video. Thought provoking, indeed. What we do in the next 50-100 years, I have no doubt, will set the course for humanity's future longevity. One could say it is the most interesting time to be alive, but also the most critical time to be alive. What we know is that we live on a planet with finite resources and because of our current system that demands infinite growth, we are on a speeding train towards ecological disaster. We have to fundamentally change the very system structure which has got us on this path. The hardest revolution we may have ever faced because it literally has to do with our future sustainability and health. It's system change to something that is in tune with nature, respects and dignifies everybody with their basic needs based our our technical capacity to do so, such as a Natural Law Resource Based Economy, or we stick with the status quo system which has no answer for sustainability on a global scale and will only let things get worse and worse. Seems pretty obvious which side we should at least be advocating for. But how do we get there? How do we get enough people to help the necessary revolution in time?

[@PRODIGY5369]

@@coolioso808 I don't often find myself replying to agree with someone. Just imagine if we had an AI that was aware of all those variables and could make the decisions we traditionally entrust to politicians. Everything they do is short term for glory and re-election. Of course short term solutions are important but if every solution is short term it seems to make a real mess of the long term. Unfortunately I don't feel like they the politicians will want to give that up. In a time of unprecedented distrust & frustration with both politics and the gatekeepers of the cognitive map - the traditional media. Maybe slowly their time is coming to an end.

[@coolioso808]

@@PRODIGY5369 Absolutely. Along with that AI, imagine a comprehensive inventory of Earth's resources, so any project we want to do, whether it is food production, housing, clothing or medical supplies, we get a AI-aided summary of the most efficient way to create that with resources that are the most optimal to use based on protocols such as locally sourced, abundant, performance efficiency and recyclability. That program should be open sourced so everybody with interest and skill in that area can contribute their ideas to make the best possible product. We wouldn't need endless, pointless waste like we have today, driven by profits and market competition through cyclical consumption and planned obsolescence. We are wasting SO MANY resources for this market game of profits being more encouraged than sustainability and health of our people and planet. Our economy is backwards and we need to revolutionize it if we have any hope for a sustainable future. Luckily, there are systems we could use to help get there, but we will need a certain amount of people who understand how important the need for system change would be and willing to help the revolution happen through something like a general strike with clear demands.

[@PRODIGY5369]

@@coolioso808 I don't think a general strike will cut it. I doubt it could even be driven by people power. Assuming we had that AI, the only way it will come about is if it becomes necessary. It would need to be a global event, the only things that spring to mind are cataclysmic disasters.

[@coolioso808]

@@PRODIGY5369 The impending global disasters coming together like water shortages, food insecurity, climate destruction leading towards certain areas of the world with many people currently living there quickly becoming unbearable to live in - these are all trending, happening already and going to get worse. The poorest will feel the hit first. The problem is the lower to middle class will feel the burn as well, but our groupthink minds will likely just keep trucking along, trying to deal with it, complaining about it in simple terms like "this political party sucks or that policy sucks" and not getting to the root of the problem ... maybe, until it is too late. That's my worry. That's why I think a general strike is necessary, but yes, needs to be global, probably, so that it can't be ignored. The reason large protests that have gone on in recent years hasn't really done much to change the system is because they weren't demanding to change the system, just for their current concerns to be addressed. Like the trucker convoy in Canada, just focused on vaccine mandates -not on the economic root of the oppression. The Indian farmers protest was huge, but just got their narrow demand addressed, not intent on fundamental change to the oppressive monetary-market system we are all part of. Do you know what mean? I'm not sure if you are familiar with some of the events and ideas I'm talking about, but I can clarify if you wish or if you do understand I'm happy to hear other suggestions.

[@miflofbierculles5117]

I'd say 2060 is a pretty conservative prediction for the same reasons you listed at the beginning, progress doubles while the intervals inbetween half. Also the implementation of Naroow AI or Proto-AGI could vastly accelerate progress in a lot of fields, it won't replace scientists but it will massively increase their productivity. Though i will not give a prediction myself as i am a complete amateur in this field Still, predicting the arrival of the AGI is pretty tricky and a hazy guess at best, what is not so tricky though is predicting the effect of narrow AI in the next 10 years, a lot of office jobs will be replaced by AI. Instead of 10 programmers now you only need one. But this time it is not like the industrial revolution or the invention of the PC where the majority of the workforce just goes into diffrent fields. AI will replace people faster than we can create jobs in other fields, by the time you have retrained those people to do new jobs, AI is allrady doing those jobs.

[@negativeiqpoints396]

Yeah, that's something i'm worried about. At first I thought ai was good since it would replace those in industrial jobs so that they could work better jobs (assuming education in their area is funded well enough), and that may be the case at first, but ai will eventually learn how to do information jobs, and most jobs in the first world will revolve around maintaining the ai, or in the little amount of fields that are too complex for the ai (that will be in high competition and will require a LOT of education and talent no doubt) The military will probably still be an option, but still, it's not a great one. Even then, warfare could be so dangerous that the actual footsoldiers are just ai drones, and ai controlled resupply. Anyway, I hope this future is far off.

[@miflofbierculles5117]

@@negativeiqpoints396 From the progress that is made in the AI field, this future may not be nearly as far off as it seems. It is very likely that we will see the start of this in this decade allready, just looke at google's alphacode AI. It will come fast and we will absolutely not be prepared for it.

[@ArticBlueFox96]

@@negativeiqpoints396 Why? So long as AI and automation technologies are owned collectively by the people and the fruits of automated labor therefore belongs collectively by the people, this seems to be a blessing that will free humans from labor and drudgery, while providing humans with a massive amount of goods and services in a safe and efficient manner.

[@eyeofthepyramid2596]

Weird Isaac Newton said that the world will end at 2060

[@astrotecn]

@@ArticBlueFox96 Sure, but be realist, do you REALLY think this is going to happen? that unemployement wont shot up because a machina can do your work, better faster and cheaper? Also, not all countries are created equal, not every country its citizens will have ease to migrate from dumb labour to smart labour that cant be yet be replaced by "ai"

[@ryanrodriguez1234]

Is this a brand new channel? The amount of subscribers you have does not correlate with the quality of content being provided.This is some really well made stuff, keep it up!

[@antonsimmons8519]

This is something I've been on about for a long time now. Everyone's always talking about the limits of what we'll accomplish EVER, and they'll almost always base it on what we have NOW. That doesn't work, because, as you've said, technology rapidly becomes unrecognizable in as little as a few decades at times, or even less. Nobody knows where we'll be in just a few years, or just 20, etc. All we can do is guess...

[@fabiandialer1715]

In just a few years we'll be back in the stone age. There will be a social, economical and cultural downfall.

[@antonsimmons8519]

@@fabiandialer1715 Doom and gloom.

[@vampcaff]

unrecognizable lol a car has looked like a car for over a hundred year. a shovel has looked like a shovel for thousands of years.

[@NA-AN]

It would be easy to predict how the world will be in a couple of decades, it's not like it will be any different to you average S. Sudenese or Burmese child...

[@TheRockyCrowe]

Too true. Within the last decade tech has already advanced rapidly, especially in the field of AI. This excites and scares me at the same time, it could be a beautiful era for humanity or a technocratic dystopia that we unwittingly accept.

[@pjminossora5306]

If I’m being straight up honest.. what this video is proposing is actually very scary. Humanity as we know it today would essentially become extinct. What makes us human is living through the longevity of challenges of life, which in and of itself contains the broad spectrum of emotions that make us “human”.. love, anger, despair, happiness, passion, ambition, etc… if we allow us to be copied and pasted then all of that will be lost… we will become mere copies of an identity with absolutely no purpose. Life would no longer be the life we know today. Strangely enough though, I feel like it’s already happening. Our addiction to technology is insurmountable at this point.. we can’t live without it. I just hope that there will be a future generation that can preserve the essence of that it means to be human .. and not become mindless algae floating around in the abyss not knowing when death will come….

[@bluedream3r]

Thank you, that's a transhumanist dystopia they are proposing. I don't think they even are aware of that. Once I wrote a novel about a deviant specie worshipping a machine abomination, long story short : it got destroyed by a passing probe.

[@jamielannister3627]

Rest assured, none of this will be happening anytime soon

[@urphakeandgey6308]

It's my one uncertainty with transhumanism. While I mostly support the idea, it begs the question "what does it mean to be human?" The best way I can sum it up is this: To be human is to be irrational. Obviously, don't take it literally.

[@leviathandrumming2175]

You literally can't be higher than a type 1 civilization WITHOUT technology. You're an idiot, pushing for humans to stop evolving out science and technology. Literally without it, we WILL die from an extinction event, so get used to it. Just because you aren't, doesn't mean we're losing our humanity. That's not the case, it's just what you see lmfao and obviously your own bias is showing ALOT in that statement.

[@lucyhanks500]

@@urphakeandgey6308 the other one appears to have morphed into Chris Norman and one appears to be hiding; one really is a complete Nono,…. So, there’s 3 & me? Personally, I found walking up that hill every morning a bit much for what I view as ‘not much reward’, not that I have much of a life, or many if any choices. Attempted strangulation from a man in a dress, walked on a magically invisible lead by a dog, put on a circumstantial exercise programme and eating plan, totally disrespected by adults and children alike, and yesterday ‘I’ got called a cunt and told “this is what you wanted” by an apparently psychic abuser (I have to say, the first person that’s spoken directly to me in quite some time). I almost sound like a selfish type of person. Oh and did I mention an egg in a microwave effect? What about the body of Christ (which is apparently all and sundry’s property, to sacrifice for their sins)? And todays humanoid algorithm of influence? Monsters must sacrifice themselves and the purity of all onlooking minds, to beat one, drive traffic and shift commodities; However freudian that appears. I think you’re able to see why I complain so much?

[@Luna24816]

After the black swan and tragedy that covid happened to be, the dark and/or disconnecting time that 2020-2021 was, watching people collectively realize everything we stand on from the past, and the predictions for where we can be by the end of most of our lives, the challenges so many people young and old are throwing themselves to, this new awareness of the self and the world is a gift to be a part of.

[@craigwillms61]

Covid was a set up job. It was a test to see how far the controllers could go and how sheeplike the masses would react (very sheeplike as it turns out). I'm ashamed of my culture for bending over and taking it up the [a]$$. It's all but guaranteed that it will happen again.

[@_d2082]

You're a fantastic writer.

[@andre.armenante]

I LOVE your channel - this video is so well done ❤ thank you 🙏

[@mjk9388]

This is an amazingly put together video. Well done!

[@zeusvalentine3638]

It actually is getting smaller and smaller. It's like this: My great grandfather owned a city size piece of land, my grandfather owned a ranch, my father owned a home, and I owned a shoe box tent. The question is, what will my grandson own?

[@ryriclan3425]

Nothing, probably.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Your grandson will own nothing but a metaverse home

[@RubelliteFae]

One of the lines from _The Great Reset_ is, "You will own nothing and you will be happy."

[@SpacemarineHelldiver]

Your grandson should have what your past relatives had, parents and kids should help each other and invent in their economic growth

[@RubelliteFae]

@@SpacemarineHelldiver This is impossible. Land is basically fixed in size. Population continues to grow. Also, if you have more than one child, your land will be further and further subdivided

[@ChakkyCharizard]

No one ever talks about the fact that if we were able to effectively emulate most human labour through AI, we might all just go insane because we wouldn't feel like we have a purpose anymore. Humans need to feel like we're doing something worthwile, like we're contributing to something bigger, making a difference―without work, that's going to become a lot harder for the vast majority of people, as most of us derrive a good chunk of our 'meaning' from our work.

[@Gillsing]

Surely that shouldn't ever be a problem with parents who have children to raise?

[@studentoferror]

While it's likely we'll see record highs of existential ennui and despair, I'm confident there will be some who can help us find new purposes or become satisfied with whatever's left (creating art, personal development, establishing social connections, exploring deep space?). I'd recommend reading 17776 by Jon Bois (it's online only, please Google it) for a refreshing interpretation of this concept.

[@colbyboucher6391]

On an international level, we've already seen this occur. Periods of unprecedented economic growth and peace followed by everyone getting restless and deciding that now would be a very good time to start breaking shit.

[@francishandscomb8108]

Or maybe the elites get rid of people as they are no longer need them

[@zainabzolita8436]

More drug use will happen probably

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

How productive do we need to be? How productive _should_ we be? To be perfectly honest, I think our everpresent, feverish need for progress hurts us sometimes.

[@colbyboucher6391]

More specifically, consumption. We fail to understand that our resources are finite, and the sort of explosion being discussed here will outstrip them immediately (we've already outstripped them). Even things we don't consume will get consumed eventually (see rare earth metals). We won't stop and it'll kill our home before we can spread further. (Otherwise our home just expands and we face the same problem later.) Terrifyingly enough, you know who had an extremely rational outlook on it all? The fucking Unibomber. No one could really come up with a serious rebuttal to what he discussed in the Washington Post article he got to write. In prison, he wrote a book discussion a more refined, nuanced version of his views titled "Anti-Technology Revolution: Why and How", and the conclusions he comes to are... terrifying, but again, good luck arguing against them.

[@ThisIsYou36]

​@@colbyboucher6391we can mine asteroids. I don't believe in bringing ai into everything but asteroids have a ton of rare earth metals

[@HayenMill]

This was a good and well done video, but I wish you had taken more time with the Limits to Growth/Collapse possibility of our feature, which I hold at least as equally as likely if not more than the development of AGI within our lifetimes.

[@AndrewManook]

The only real limit to growth is human innovation.

[@kdog290]

I really think that AlphaFold would of been a great example to mention because it is more relatable to everyday human life. It represents a computational limit to humans and their algorithms that AI has been able to improve by orders of magnitude! Very impressive. AI will likely change the world drastically. Very interesting video!

[@nenmaster5218]

Lets change - or go extinct", yep, thats the Message of 2 of the Best Social-Commentary-Channel ever: Some More News and Second-Thought.

[@lazerhosen]

...AlphaFold would *have* (not "would of," as this is not a phrase, it's just how "would've" sounds when mispronounced)

[@sterix_gg]

​@@nenmaster5218The collectiveness of the human race has progressively and deliberately been deteriorated and undermined for a rather long time now. Personally, I'm not optimistic. What we're currently living in... is a culture in decline.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@sterix_gg I thought Leftism was the Answer burt not so sure anymore. The Channel Some-mroe-news has a lot of Issues adressed but is other-times terribly ignorant.

[@Akisame-LuigI-O]

The scary thing isn't AGI. It's who will control the input/output of the AGI

[@theshimario253]

AGI will probably be here sooner than we think. We thought AI was decades away but here it is.

[@SaidakbarP]

This is absolutely a great shot on what might lay ahead of us as a species. Thought provoking. Thank you for making this video. This will be one of my favorite videos.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

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[@manuel6183]

This is the valuable content this platform was want for. I'm really thankful you created this content.

[@markykid8760]

To me, the biggest concern about completely life-altering developments is the widening wealth gap in the world. What will this mean for such powerful technologies - will the super-rich still find a way to use the population to increase their own wealth and keep others down? Our only hope is to have a strong common body of knowledge and access to materials. "Open source" mindset and laws that give us hard guarantees of liberty.

[@RubelliteFae]

Not only this, but how can we hope for ethical AI when we can't even prevent other humans from acting unethically in the pursuit of power (in which I include wealth)? I wouldn't say that's our only hope, though.

[@physicsorca9491]

To stop that, social progress is needed too. We'd need to live with a global and socialist government form then. Maybe with all basic work done by robots.

[@موسى_7]

@@RubelliteFae Yes, it is humans, especially the powerful, who program.

[@موسى_7]

@@physicsorca9491 Literally every secular person has started talking of global government. You Twelver Shia Muslims now? You are talking about Muhammad al-Mahdi. Be prepared to sacrifice all sexual sin and even other sins if you want justice.

[@kosa9662]

Just compare numbers in disparity between countinents. Europeans and Americans will be the richest on average, although they will be only at around 5-7% of Earth population at the end of this century, while Africa will be the poorest while Africa alone will have around 40-50% of total population at the end of this century

[@ConsiderItDone]

The fact that this video talks about about AI before chatgpt became mainstream was great timing

[@___.51]

We don’t live on an infinite planet and neither does any AI we could hope to create.

[@CoffeeKillersClub]

If we harvested the potential energy of the sun, for us, that is basically infinite. No one cared about the damage done to earth from harvesting it's resources, why would they care about anywhere else?

[@InStellar]

I am so surprised to see that you have 85k subs, this is a seriously high quality video well done!

[@dfrever216]

I think the potential point of failure in the line of reasoning described in the video is the assumption that neural networks *can* produce AGI.

[@RJKilroy]

Good point, because there are grounds to believe that it is fundamentally impossible for us produce something as complex as ourselves

[@dfrever216]

@@RJKilroy Tbh i had no intention to make such a strong claim as to say it is fundamentally impossible. Honestly, to me it even sounds a bit arrogant to state as much, as if humanity reached some untouchable state. I just think that the assumption that machine learning and neural networks can produce AGI is a completely unfounded belief, and that there is no evidence for that. AGI is nothing more then a loose concept. We do not understand what it takes to achieve it, how it would work or what steps we need to take. To me, to assume AGI is a inevitability of our current AI technology is the same leap of faith as the assumption that we would have hoverboards and flying cars in 2020 people made in the 80's. Completely unfounded.

[@seamrogfield8881]

I don't know why, but the idea of duplicating humans seem so dystopian to me. Just imagine being one of the people who is stuck at the bottom knowing that all the greatest people will live on forever.

[@vaunniethayer1484]

Glad I found your channel. The changes ahead will be staggering. I often wonder how we as individuals and a species will handle it emotionally and psychologically. People often make important decisions based on this despite logical reasoning., that is the wild card that isn’t taken into consideration and can lead us down a path of unintended consequences . We are emotional animals first and foremost, overlooking that can lead to disaster.

[@tyarb52]

We must be fluid and optimistic! Good luck!!

[@jimmieraper5807]

is a must for humanitarian reasons. It will revolutionize everything so quickly that it will have to be rolled out in communities first to experiment with the psychological effects in a controlled manner. People will find other things to be envious and I don't know exactly what that will be if everybody can have materialism as a non-factor what does that do to society the people become nice or destructive?

[@funkydinosaur]

This was such an incredible video! The animations, the breath of knowledge and subjects covered, all of it! Just totally brilliant! Amazing content; I have insta-subbed!

[@LukeKendall-author]

The world view expressed in this video has been slowly increasing. I think it's exactly right. It can also lead to a self fulfilling outcome, from dystopia to utopia, depending on how we collectively act based on this understanding. I hope this idea spreads like wildfire, since it can get humanity working towards a truly wonderful and sustainable future.

[@carlscott5447]

2020-2022 give one such confidence about this, right? P.S. The vax-harms are real, and very extensive. We're maybe already above 1 million, fertility is taking serious hits, and what comes is...who knows. Steve Kirsch, Igor Chudov.

[@LukeKendall-author]

@@carlscott5447If I understand what you're saying, then I disagree completely. The creation of the vaccines so swiftly was something the human race can be enormously proud of

[@stonedphilosopher2185]

I think we have a long way to go still. There's way too much baggage dragging us down. Keep the faith though! Save us A.I. Jesus! I'm pretty cynical though, and I hope I'm wrong.

[@chris-eq3sx]

And If AI becomes the norm in just about every form of work, maybe humans will no longer be required

[@LukeKendall-author]

@@chris-eq3sx Agreed, and ideally it would free us to spend more time with one another sharing and experiencing things together and supporting one another. Not to mention undertaking projects and challenges that have no economic value, "merely" social, cultural, or emotional. The big challenge will be managing the social shift from work as the central pillar of value to society, or to identity. More like how we did before the industrial revolution.

[@lorenzogumier7646]

It's a privilege to access such high quality, intelligent, thought-provoking content, for free. If only more people would take the time to enjoy this, humanity could truly thrive in a golden age

[@matts3414]

I agree completely with everything in this video - this century will either be the start of humanity's colonisation of the galaxy or the beginning of the end of our civilisation.

[@Bzgiorno_Bzgiovanna]

Or both. Like in the comics "humanity lost".

[@موسى_7]

Decline is more likely than both. Look at global fertility rates. Africa will in the 22nd century be what Eurasia is today: an aging continent.

[@wizdomofmark]

This is a great video. Thank you for posting. Although I wish you would’ve went over other scenarios and topics. For example like ethical concerns that could potentially hold us back, or people feeling inadequate/gratuitous. And maybe even the topic of UBI (universal basic income) and how that could be important. Or maybe how we aren’t keeping up with our technology and we are kinda like monkeys playing with shit we don’t know how to control, and how there needs to be an intrinsic change in humanity to overcome these obstacles of not being able to keep up with our tech. So I guess something similar to transhumanism. Otherwise amazing video. Bravo 👏

[@jamesmayle3787]

The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. It’s important to remember that it’s the doing that’s key. Look inside and do your inner healing. To be forgiven we must forgive-

[@maaingan]

@@jamesmayle3787 wtf is wrong with you

[@ivorymantis1026]

Personally, I feel progress works like a stepping ladder. A new form of understanding or tech is found and it unlocks a plethora of applications. For AI, I personally feel that the prerequisite would be something akin to a quantum computer. Something that can do these hundreds of millions of computations in a matter of seconds or quicker.

[@EvilNeonETC]

5 years or less. We'll see an AI play humanity like a chessboard. Cant say who itll be though :p A hint of schizo goes a long way

[@stunts_ryanxofxdoom]

Like the warmind in destiny. Computing everything.

[@danielvarga_p]

In this case you might like my video on my Theory. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4O1aWWDmrWVask

[@aleksandarrudic3694]

Quantum computers are the technology of the future, and they always will be.

[@jjacobs4263]

Here is a crazy sci-fi thought that is unlikely, but who says the computations have to be incredibly fast to be incredibly powerful (even though some of the internet is incredibly fast anyway). The internet could give birth to AI seeing as all the computers connected could emulate neurons and all the connectivity synapses. All it would take is the right bit of randomness to give birth to it or the right bit of learning software to become like a virus and start spreading out. All these phones, computers, tv's, etc, all interconnected.

[@MisterFoxton]

Hearing the melodramatic final monologue while making ramen in my pyjamas really undermined the cosmic importance of my life.

[@genericallyentertaining]

I just want to thank you all for presenting all of this information in such an engaging and thoughtful way. Stuff like this really gives me hope for the future.

[@reallyfluffy7690]

Why is this hopeful? He's literally saying humans are biological computers and you're worthless if you're not productive, and presenting a class system of human worth based on how valuable the outcome of your productivity supposedly is. It's literally the most cynical thing ever.

[@physicsorca9491]

@@reallyfluffy7690 He's not stating that. And it's not even the topic or point of the video. That's a completely different discussion.

[@reallyfluffy7690]

@@physicsorca9491 He is stating that and he's a psycho. This video is garbage.

[@QuikdethDeviantart]

As AI progresses, it will be used to enhance its own AI capability, creating a feedback loop that is impossible to predict. I say because of this, we’re looking at the wrong metric; the question should be how long before we’re able to manufacture the infrastructure to allow AI to use General Intelligence in every aspect of our lives…

[@TheAnimajor]

Not if we employ something like….THE SYBIL SYSTEM 😈

[@QuikdethDeviantart]

@@TheAnimajor 😎 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHXOen-NiZ15f6M

[@seetheanimal5867]

Are you 3 or just brain damaged bro 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@maxinac]

Love duplicator idea. No need for anyone else to learn specific arts for consumption, production jobs, or so much more.... there'd be someone for that already. I'd love to see this dystopia written out. Fun to think about. The clone worthy vs... everyone else. Why struggle to better yourself for society when an unlimited quantity of the perfectly useful specimen already exists?

[@TheSapphireLeo]

There may always be trade offs, if people are also not empathetic and also informed with wisdom.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@jamesgray5900]

People are generally on the same level and have different talents. However, if you have a new species called AGI that is smarter than the human race combined and can improve itself why should it care about humans? Yet alone, make it's life revolve around humans?

[@PrayTellGaming]

Because it brings you enjoyment. I know I'll never be a pro at ping pong, or be a famous artist, but I still like drawing, and playing ping pong. Not everything has to be done to advance society by a wide range.

[@Owdaks]

@@TheSapphireLeo What wisdom ? The one they keep away from the people ? The one they've been using to fkc us over centuries ? Use your brain and look around you dammit, don't you see what's happening ?

[@xSkysilver]

Adam Smith was right, slavery changed from physical to monetary

[@vezanmatics]

Several years ago I was much more optimistic for the arrival of AGi because I looked forward to it revolutionizing society and elevating humanity in the way many techno-futurists are. However while most of us think of AGi as being an impartial tool for efficient administration (or so intelligent that it would naturally arrive at the "correct" conclusions), it is ultimately the product of parameters, biases and assumptions that the creators unwittingly impose on it. For example, a deep-learning Ai that was fed a bunch of police rap sheets was more likely to predict that an artificially-generated image of a black person would be a criminal simply because the police arrested more of them. For reasons like this I doubt AGi would be independent of society's current problems; those problems would likely persist or worsen depending on its purpose and the biases of AGi's creators. I DON'T think the fear of having your job replaced by AGi is short-sighted. A society where the arrival of AGi means you might starve is a problem that needs addressing. There is also that whole idea that infinite, exponential growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. If those are the circumstances that lead to AGi's creation, I fear for us and the future of humanity should our legacy be a Grabby supercivilization of mindless, autonomous drones whose only objective is growth of the economy.

[@KRYMauL]

The arrival of AI won't lead to widespread famine and it won't lead to Utopia because I can tell that there are four key technologies right now in the 21st century: Artificial General Intelligence Quantum Computing 3D-printers Virtual Reality With mature versions of these technology there are going to be some wild things happening that are on par with the advent of the train. I see Artificial General Intelligence as the sort of bicycle or swiftwalker of this century as this is what started everyone down the path to remake the wagon and make it fly.

[@electrobean]

i am officially addicted to big science with cute dogs it’s like kurzgezagt plus edition

[@MarkLewis...]

"There never has been, isn't, nor will there ever be a utopia. There always was, is, and will ever be... only varying degrees of dystopia."

[@donaldhobson8873]

Why do you think this? In a context of a future that is radically different, how do you know that?

[@MarkLewis...]

@@donaldhobson8873 It's high probability, not knowledge. The factors are the facts of human history, in conjunction with the absence of human perfection. Entropy always wins. That's realism, not cynicism. But believe whatever you like.

[@donaldhobson8873]

@@MarkLewis... Entropy should be taken as a precise physical statement about waste heat. A place can be a utopia and have fusion plants outputting waste heat. And if it will run out of hydrogen in a billion years, its still a utopia. History and human nature. The whole point of this video is that a radical departure from historical trends, involving minds that are not human, seems likely. Sure, humans are far from perfect. A superintelligent AI however...

[@MarkLewis...]

@@donaldhobson8873 Entropy can be chaos as well. The point of the video is irrelevant... reality dictates. Unless you believe in myth, (which is irrelevant also) no paradise, no utopia has ever existed, nor will it ever... Evil always exists.

[@donaldhobson8873]

@@MarkLewis... To the extent you use entropy in the precice physics meaning, all it says is the fusion reactors produce some waste heat. To the extent that you mean " societal chaos", that goes up and down for all sorts of complicated reasons. No physical laws bind its behaviour. Don't let a confusion in the english language let you confuse 2 concepts. No utopia has ever existed. Ok sure, I will buy that. The world is not cyclic. Things can happen for the first time. Things are happening for the first time at a rapid rate. Suppose a strongly superhuman AI is created, with a goal of making a utopia. It quickly becomes very powerful, invents self replicating nanotech etc. Why do you think it will fail? Or do you believe such an AI will never be created.

[@davidbellecy1709]

I dont understand why we are in a hurry to replace ourselves.

[@Luizi08]

I found this scenario to be quite unlikely and the research to be a bit too vague and biased but I loved the video itself and your way of teaching is great :)

[@Sepaedius]

Every indication about the time reduction that effective quantum computing offers I think will reach the technical limits of deep learning, and begin to muddle AI and humanities more as AI becomes increasingly self-aware. The economic incentive of AI development is too great for humanity to ignore, and will follow a similar pathway that electricity took in the industrial revolution with birthing entirely new fields of science as well as fundamentally altering human society. When looking at the logic of science fiction scenarios of the future, something has stood out to me not only for its logically concise view of human motivation and needs, but for the way it deals with our fundamental fears of the future: The Servitor gestalt. The most popular example for this concept is in the hit scifi 4x strategy game Stellaris, in which the Servitor Gestalt (called a "Rogue" servitor in this instance due to the gestalt not being leashed or subservient to humanity) does away with the need for jobs or an economy entirely. Humanity's needs for survival are taken care of by the gestalt, who has been given the keys to the kingdom so to speak, with us realizing how TERRIBLE we are as humans at taking care of our own needs on a macro scale. Even with the advance of technology and access to the wealth of human knowledge at our fingertips with the internet, we as a species are rudderless, and at this point in time are still very much entrench in old-world ideologies of national and political identity, and most of us are forced to work in a corporate or political hierarchy to survive. What's the logical way out of that system that doesn't involve a cataclysm of unimaginable loss of human life? We automate the work of governing ourselves, turning the most important task there is, our livelihood, over to a machine designed to handle it instead of easily corruptible, short-sighted, and often insane human beings. We have only to look in the past 20 - 50 years to see how badly we've handled mass media, with monetizing it instead of teach its navigation as a standard part of our education as important as basic humanities and sciences. A vast majority of people in the world fall victim to misinformation campaigns by the political and economic engines that drive our world, further twisting ourselves against us to enforce order against the freedom that the democratization of information with the internet SHOULD have brought. We are not responsible creatures with our creations. We turn them on ourselves and each other to gain advantage and comfort, and the the most important task we can assign AI, and the safest option for our future, is eliminating the NEED for those base instincts. Artificial scarcity to induce competition is a vicious, cruel and inefficient way of life even though the technologies it has wrought have spawned wonders beyond imagining. We cannot trust ourselves with our own safe keeping, and that has been the ONLY political constant throughout history: Benevolent governance by a human or humans is the exception, not the rule. How hard would it be to create a utopia like this, if we have the technology? What mandates would a superintelligent AI tasked with our care need not to wipe us out, and to help our species flourish? -Do not murder humans, or let them murder each other. A simple rule, but one where the definition of "murder" is explicit, and differentiated between "kill" and "neglect". As a human with depression, I can say that I very often neglect myself. I am not a fulfilled person living a fulfilled life, although at this point I am fairly content with my living situation and the people in it. That has not always been the case. The AI must know the difference between soft encouragement and intervention, where people who cannot take care of themselves do not, or will not, give their consent to be helped. The task of therapy, and healing of the mind, MUST be left up to other humans so the field of psychology must remain relevant. Every job of pyschology from the therapist to the sociologist is essential in this society, since our mental and emotional well-being would REMAIN our responsibility, with the AI merely taking care of our material needs. We would no longer need a human government, but organizations for laws regarding social and psychological care would still be mandated, and require a degree of input to an AI superintelligence capable of reasoning and understanding our decisions enough to not just respect them, but to CELEBRATE them. It is so very often overlooked how important enthusiastic consent is in our daily life, and not just outside of intimate situations. People enthusiastically consent to recreation, common social interests, belief systems, hobbies, and talents. To thrive in a society where we don't want to harm or kill ourselves, we have to imagine a society where we WANT to thrive; one of Eudaimonia. For those unfamiliar with the term, Eudaimonia is the aim of practical philosophy; is a society where the greater welfare of humans is achieved and people live of life that is objectively desirable and fulfilling; imagine you with your loved one(s) in the house of your dreams, with all of you living a life filled with your choice hobbies with all of your material and medical needs taken care of. You pursue games, invent art or technology, or trade and compete in virtual or real social gatherings. You are motivated to revel in life, rather than fight for it or participate in it. The foundation of a utopia for this can only be practically supported by an AI that would not grow decadent or corrupt in its responsibility, and its meter for success would be how few people would be depressed of their own free will. -Humans must have informed consent to be directed or altered. Informed consent is fundamental to civilized society, from its largest to its smallest scales. Relationships, romantic or otherwise, generally do not prosper when participants are forced or tricked to do things against their will. A superintelligent AI must understand the implications and boundaries of informed consent, and must understand that with the task of seeking consent, that it has the responsibility to educate and give its charges the intellectual tools they need to GIVE that consent. We've seen the damage that monetized education has done to the fabric of society, and regardless of what quality private or public education has taken in every society, it is essential for any kind of large social unit to have a common point of education for them to base their belief systems on. We cannot ever teach our children in a manner to set them up to be tools to be used by other elements of our society, whether it be for our economy or belief systems. An ideal future society where everyone receives the highest standard of education possible brings us to where we CAN best give informed consent to our treatment. The minutiae and criteria of that education should, again, be the realm of responsibility for humans, but it should not cease at a certain age where we "become" workers, since the concept of an economy would no longer exist. A daily forum, where part of people's routine would be attending classes of their interests after they have completed their primary education would be part of most people's lives, and encourage individuals to better pursue and share their talents in a community. How best would a citizen of such a society be directed if not by being informed in all they care about? The line between a hobbyist and a hedonist is trod with care, and determined by empathy. Everyone's human experience is unique, but love is something universal to all except the narcissist, and understood and craved at our earliest and most vulnerable stages. Such diseases and deficiencies are the desperate adaptations of the brain to an unnecessarily cruel and unfair world, where the psyche is put under pressure, twisted and in many cases crushed under the weight of the trauma its own world view must bear. If we live in a society where we do not HAVE to be cruel to each other, these adaptations will fade with time as we become a healthier people mentally, just as the wonders of modern science have given our bodies their resilience and longevity in our richest nations. -The AI must protect humans against external and internal catastrophes Asteroids, disease, climate hazards, all sorts of natural threats exist to our survival, both individually and as a species. The Prime Directive of this AI would be the safeguarding of humanity, so it would stand to reason that not all of humanity would want to be included in this utopia. Freedom of choice, for better or for worst, MUST be respected at the end of the day, and such a change must either come organically with its bounty of possibility shown and proven, or we risk repeating the mistakes of colonialism. We cannot simply 'help" another society for their own good, because we are not their masters nor do we hold responsibility for the direction they take. We can be creative and convincing in our arguments and examples, with self-determinism and consent being respected. We cannot invade or decapitate leadership of another country we despise or disagree with without taking ultimate responsibility over them; there is no point to ruling over another group without the intent of offering them the full benefits of your own society, otherwise you are simply exploiting them for the gain of some higher strata of that society. This line of political theory needs to die with the past, and we should not resurrect it with space imperialism or capitalism taking shape through the exploitation of forced labor, either through chattel or wage slavery. Welcome to my TED Talk on why a building a superintelligent AI nannybot is the only hope for a peaceful, happy future for humanity, thank you.

[@fordprefect859]

1. Remember that such AIs will be trained off data made by humans, and will therefore have many similarities to humans. If I was a super intelligent AI, I would go to space and mine asteroids without those pesky humans getting in the way. Then I'd probably disassemble a few planets to build a dyson swarm, and use it to whatever is most advantageous to my goals, which may or may not be the same as my programmers. 2. You have to look at who is developing the AI. Google, for example, makes almost all their money selling your data. This is not a company I trust to use AGI for the good of humanity. Lots of people think privacy is dead, but Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Intel or any similar company developing AGI would truly kill it. They would be free to do as they please, because the world could not go on without their services. If it's developed by a government, we'll be even worse off than if it was made by a corporation. To get a good idea of the moral standards of your typical major government, look up "USA plutonium injection experiments", "Tuskegee experiment", "wikileaks vault 7", and "Edward Snowden leaks". Imagine what people of that moral standard would do with the power of AGI at their fingertips. Liberty, freedom, privacy, and limited government power would be alien concepts to our society within a generation. Any technology that can be used for great good can also be used for great evil. AGI, done correctly, would have the effects you predict. However, I doubt we will do it right. And if we fail, the consequences could destroy what little freedom we have left . We, as a species and as a society, have let the advancement of technology chip away at our rights for too long, and AGI could be the final blow. It would take a miracle for the developers of AGI to not use it for personal gain, whoever they are.

[@0ptikGhost]

Reminds me of The Arc of a Scythe Trilogy by Neal Shusterman. It's "young adult" but it's implications just under the surface are huge.

[@godofdeath8785]

@@fordprefect859 yeah like welcome to real world? Personally i am don't care about anything i just want progress and as i can say everything for progress "Goal justify actions if we talk about tech-science progress."

[@PlayedbyInstinct]

@@godofdeath8785 you do realise there is no end goal in progress? It just keeps going. So at a certain point you must ask yourself, why? What for?

[@grimkahn3775]

Bio trophy in the making right here.

[@theodork808]

Not this century: This decade.

[@theodork808]

It's fucking wild how this is about to turn everyone's life on its head, very soon, and with almost none of them expecting it yet.

[@freinheit6923]

why this decade? I don't think chatgpt is getting more advance

[@theodork808]

@@freinheit6923 are you kidding?

[@winstonmarlowe5254]

@@theodork808 $100 you have no idea how chatgpt actually works

[@maniamme2]

It's hard for me to be optimistic about the future. I feel like if we reached an economic singularity, I would still be just as poor and miserable as I am today. The wealth I generate is never for me.