Drinker's Chasers - Disney In Crisis: 1/3 Of The Company For Sale

Things are going from bad to worse for Disney, with the recent revelation that they're looking to sell off ESPN, ABC and FX to bring in some badly needed cash. But could they end up getting bought by Apple or Amazon?

[@Wheelie2077]

Disney - Everything must go - integrity, credibility, artistic merit, etc

[@mattchooblink]

Employees, profits, influence, fans.

[@Fabbydabby1]

The only thing he kind of Said was for sale abc & ESPN+ that’s all

[@HerculesBallsInc]

Let's be honest... they sold their integrity LONG ago. Lol.

[@MrMichaelBCurtis]

@@Fabbydabby1 listen again

[@Thornspyre81]

Now THIS should be the top comment.

[@moviegumshoes]

Couldn’t have happened to a better company.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

I just love how they are selling off the 1/3 of the company that is actually profitable so they double down on streaming. This will be something that business schools and investing classes will talk about for decades

[@isaacjohnson8796]

​@@Lawrence_Talbotthats what i was thinking, when i heard they were selling off stuff Marvel and Lucas Film was what i assumed they'd drop. Idk why they're dropping the only thing thats making them money.

[@frankgesuele6298]

Or worst🤮

[@LukasJampen]

​@@isaacjohnson8796marvel is still making money, just not as much as it used too. They probably also hope they can still get more out of them.

[@Lonovavir]

Budlight has entered the chat.

[@borkguy]

Don’t feel bad when people who hate you fail.

[@edackley8595]

Yep, crack an ice cold Yuengling and enjoy the fall of your corporate enemies.

[@LukasJampen]

​@@edackley8595I get that but it still makes me sad because Disney was my childhood. I grew up during the Disney rennaisance and loved their movies. Them imploding like this is well deserved but it does feel a bit like a part of my childhood is dying. Might sound a bit melodramatic and I know Disney was never even close to perfect but it feels like back then they still had some integrity and while money was always the focus they also cared about quality and providing good entertainment.

[@ocelot_the_dragon]

@@LukasJampenDisney destroyed things that were other peoples childhoods as soon as they got a hold of them. Let them burn

[@kelp7060]

@@LukasJampen I was done being sad a long time ago. This modern version of them I call Buisney and I see them as some gross creature hiding in a corpse of a great king. Get the best versions you can of all their classic content, then retreat and watch the fireworks.

[@VinceLyle2161]

If you wait by the river long enough, eventually the bodies of your enemies will float by.

[@SheldonAdama17]

I get more entertainment out of watching Disney fail than from their actual movies.

[@chasehedges6775]

Sooo true

[@ginjaedgy49]

yep, the only entertainment i get out of their films now is the reactions of outrage from their shit shows

[@bintjbeil7892]

Walt Disney is probably powering enough energy equivalent to Chernybol by rolling in his grave, sadly.

[@JoJoJoker]

It’s not funny to see people lose their jobs and the side effects this has on the economy. A few people chose to get rich by approving massive budgets for their social projects and essentially robbed their employer.

[@profatgamer]

​@@JoJoJokerschadenfreude is quite sweet my friend.

[@harbl99]

"It doesn't exactly make me happy to see it happen." Don't worry Drinker, I have enough joy over this for both of us.

[@HeisenbergFam]

Who would've thought Disney would eventually be in crisis when you consider their direction

[@chaosgyro]

They were collapsing before they bought everything under the sun. The only reason their balance sheet has looked as good as it has was because they absorbed companies with healthy bank books to shore up their own. That they ran those companies into financial ruin just as they had done to themselves is a surprise to no one who was paying attention.

[@rwberger6]

You mean you can't just endlessly spend on credit while your profits decline? Debts come due and you need to actually make money at some point?

[@edackley8595]

But, but, but their ESG score tho....

[@rickh9396]

Heisenberg lives!

[@piip4]

I asked my pet opossum and even she foresaw it.

[@peterwilson4865]

I went to Disney World with my kids last year after having been there with my wife like 10 years ago. They did away with the reasonably priced meal plans and now you can't even get a kids meal for less than like 15 a plate. That's on top of garbage quality. Let them feel the pain. Self inflicted wounds, all of them.

[@mr.cheesytoad5845]

To be fair I think for most theme parks that has become standard. Which doesn't justify things, but still that sounds common.

[@MAGAMAN]

Last time I went to an amusement park it was less than $20 a person.

[@chaosgyro]

​@@mr.cheesytoad5845High price would be expected. However, when I took the kids they wouldn't even allow you to buy them a meal plan. They were expected to eat off of your plate, and trying to get both of you a meal that would satisfy tastes and hunger was a royal pain. Disney managed to take the simple act of eating at their restaurants and turn it into a grueling slog that made my wife and I wish to go back to standing in lines listening to the kids whine.

[@edackley8595]

Because these parks aren't for the serf class masses. Let it all collapse under it own weight of unsustainability. Better entertainment will rise.

[@nadrewod999]

I went there a little over a year ago with my extended family to celebrate my mother's 60th birthday. The one thing that I made clear to everyone is "Disney is going to be a lot more expensive than you remember, and you're going to get a lot less for your money."

[@paranoyd70]

Gee, who could have predicted that pissing off, alienating & insulting your main fan-base would have led to losing money?? And why does Iger, Feige, & Kennedy still have a job? Utter insanity. Its as if they want to destroy the Disney brand & company as a whole.

[@edackley8595]

Let that stock price keep declining and watch a "corporate raider" type step in, Ichan type. Trim this thing to the bone and get back to basics. Problem is are there any creative types left that are into the art without the agenda?

[@paranoyd70]

@@edackley8595 The problem with another company purchasing Disney is that Disney has been getting major funding from Black-Rock, which has been buying up massive amounts of property, and so any potential buyer isn't just dealing with Disney, they will be beholden to Black-Rock...and Black-Rock wants the woke agenda to keep flowing.

[@cpob2013]

I'm surprised they got by this long

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Patrick Bet David explains how and why companies like Disney gets taken hostage by Blackrock, Vanguards. Those main shareholders alway threatened to fire the CEO and management team if they don't follow their orders. So the CEO and management team have totally lost control of the company and have NO CHOICE but to "suicide" the company. It's like being "Epsteinned" but at a corporation level. Here is Patrick Bet David explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHm2oKdni8mpibc

[@Akakiryuushin]

They do want to destroy the Disney brand cause it promotes classical femine values

[@stevemyers3082]

This is what happens when Disney loses its monopoly on the animation industry. Other studios like Sony, DreamWorks, and even Illumination have proven that they can make high-quality animated films, and it's shown the world that we no longer have to stomach Disney's lazy, creatively bankrupt, virtue signaling garbage.

[@kyriss12]

Hell even the japs 1000 flavors of hit by a truck and wake up in fantasy land cartoons are more entertaining than anything Disney has put out over the last few years.

[@jlev1028]

It never had a monopoly in the first place.

[@stevemyers3082]

@@jlev1028 It's had an incredibly tight stranglehold in the animated film market for decades. Its competition rarely ever came close until fairly recently. The closest competition they ever had for a while was DreamWorks, and even they weren't much of a competitor.

[@johnnhoj6749]

@@jlev1028 When it came to animated features they were a virtual monopoly, certainly in the West until the 1990s. Yes there were odd films from other companies but none remotely competed with Disney, and most struggled to even exist. Disney, for good or ill, was always the benchmark against which any animation was measured. Anyone in 1990 looking back on the history of animation would struggle to think of one significant English-Language, non-Disney animated feature per decade.

[@antigrav6004]

Who would have thought illumination would produce something of value?

[@dragonforks93]

Disney: Buys literally everything, throw unlimited moneys at every project, put idealogues in charge of everything, attack your own audience and then double down when it all goes pear shaped. Go bankrupt. Surprised pikachu face

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Patrick Bet David explains how and why companies like Disney gets taken hostage by Blackrock, Vanguards. Those main shareholders alway threatened to fire the CEO and management team if they don't follow their orders. So the CEO and management team have totally lost control of the company and have NO CHOICE but to "suicide" the company. It's like being "Epsteinned" but at a corporation level. Here is Patrick Bet David explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHm2oKdni8mpibc

[@ralph-im-a-star-wars-wiggum]

i'll always throw a like on Pikachu.

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmaoo

[@ephraimwinslow]

Every time I heard a family member say the words: "Disney's too big to fail! It can't!" I was forced to respond by quoting my favorite fictional detective. "Oh I ain't gon' say nothin'. *Future me* is goin' 'I told ya so' up one side of your head & down the other but now me is just gon' sit back and watch..." Cut to the current day... "Oh really? 'Cuz future me is here now, and he's got something to say."

[@jovalleau]

They had a license to print money, but they couldn't get out of their own way.

[@higherground9888]

That and bad actors (Iger, BlackRock) got involved.

[@jediastartes6595]

All the KZbinrs I watch say that it sucks to see Disney go down like this. All I can say is that they are better people than me.

[@edackley8595]

Let's see, buy up all the big name franchises and proceed to trash them with BLATANT social engineering and political messages and wonder why you're hemorrhaging cash flow. You buy these things FOR their built-in audience, not to spite them.

[@Russ0107]

It doesn't even make sense to be upset about an evil company failing. They deserve much, much worse! Why are these guys so milquetoast? I hope Disney files chapter 11 and is forced to sell off every single damn asset. I'm sick of the damn company, and I thought these guys were supposed to feel the same? What a bunch of soft wankers. I absolutely abhor these companies, and everyone else should feel the same for their nonstop racial division and propaganda.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@juscbhbhuvsdsdvbhjwsdv3843It sucked watching it become what it is. They're just confusing the two

[@Ssm19494]

Let if fail completely…. Massive monolithic corporations have a stultifying effect on creativity as a rule

[@kilokahn_x3850]

It’s ran by the wrong people :(

[@radical6905]

Great takes from Smokey as ever, MVP of the show again

[@exp2tr10t]

Most underrated comment.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

Smokey says what we all feel.

[@crash7098]

There’s a number of companies now that are being affected by the people who are boycotting their products. It shows that we do have power as people. People just need to choose to not support these companies, and no matter how much money they have, they’ll begin to crumble; every business, no matter the size, depends on people. Also, we can only hope Disney will sell off Lucas Film and Marvel.

[@edackley8595]

Every dollar spent is a vote. Don't enrich your enemies is a fundamental survival skill. These days I find my money going more and more to locally owned businesses that sponsor the community. Feels good spending at a business that has a sign down at the local raceway or ballpark. Go to your local dinner theater for a change.

[@ShmuckLord385]

I'd argue it's less about the boycotts and more losing the interest of general audiences. You can only be mid at best for so long before even the consume anything normies just don't care. People are watching anime and playing new and old video games and rewatching their favorite shows and movies, and watching youtube. There's too many good things that are being released or already existing to care about mediocrity. That's not to mention all these mfers are still just now realizing that banking super hard on pandemic boredom was not a good long term strat.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

More than Americans it's the global audience that's hurting Disney. Americans are vocal but they still went and paid almost $300mil to watch shyt like The Little Mermaid. Global audience said no and turned it into a flop.

[@ShmuckLord385]

@TheFourthWinchester that too. completely floundering in foreign markets is not very money of them.

[@crash7098]

@@edackley8595 I agree. I also try to purchase from local companies/businesses. I’m trying to be conscious of that. I’ll purchase local first, then go up; provincial, regional, country wide, then international.

[@space_pollution]

Disney imploding like this has made my whole year. Disney is not the company they were 20-30 years ago, that Disney is long gone, I’m sorry to say. They get what they deserve, and I will be here with popcorn and a camera to document the whole thing.

[@sphyre1196]

Let's go Disney.... You can do better. Make it 3/3.

[@jebes909090]

They'll just sell to some.chinese company then you'll get more.shit to destabilize the west.

[@quailstudios]

Wonderful World of Color was a show that we used to watch every week that Walt Disney put out. It was inspiring. The company has been taken over by people with no vision and no morals. Sorry Walt, what you had built has been corrupted. It either needs to die or be resurrected by people with vision. We'll see how it goes.

[@randycliff4045]

I remember Sunday night TV included Disney. I'll select door #1, death -- no more streaming, no more theme parks, no more movies.

[@quailstudios]

@@randycliff4045 Yes, I don't support Disney in any form now.

[@Raycheetah]

Disney's OLD "Dr. Syn: The Scarecrow" and "The Swamp Fox" are on KZbin to watch, including the original Walt Disney intros. =^[.]^=

[@cpeplinski]

The prices to enter the parks has gotten so ridiculous the general public can barely afford it. They have ruined all their films and TV brands and killed the parks business.

[@brushstroke3733]

​@AdamEfimoffSounds like "The Outsiders."

[@RU-qv3jl]

Whilst I don't wish this on the Disney company and its history, I do wish all the consequences and ill will of the corporate and entertainment worlds on the executives and people who have lead to this.

[@sorceress1986]

this.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

So...Disney as a company. All the crap they have put out isn't the problem. The crap is the symptom of the ideology that has permeated the company.

[@randycliff4045]

Walt Disney is dead as is the dream that was Disney. Modern Disney does not care about your children, your families or your traditions. STOP giving Disney your money -- no streaming, no theme parks, no movies.

[@jh491]

D is for downfall I is for incompetence S is for stupidity N is for nonsensical E is for executive brain rot Y is for you groom, you lose

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Not stupidity, nor nonsense. Patrick Bet David explains how and why companies like Disney gets taken hostage by Blackrock, Vanguards. Those main shareholders alway threatened to fire the CEO and management team if they don't follow their orders. So the CEO and management team have totally lost control of the company and have NO CHOICE but to "suicide" the company. It's like being "Epsteinned" but at a corporation level. Here is Patrick Bet David explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHm2oKdni8mpibc

[@JRGProjects]

Dumb Imploding Silly Nonesense Entertainment Yuck D.I.S.N.E.Y

[@Attmay]

I is for ignorance G is for greed E is for evil R is for ruination

[@Gandalfmandalf]

Dude...that spells disney when you go down the row of the first letters. Did you do that? Or coincidence?

[@icecremeswirlieeee]

DOWN HERE IN THE DEEP BLUE SEA

[@posthawk1393]

This warms my heart. Nothing like seeing Demons get what they deserve.

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@AdamEfimoffyou on about man? you ok?

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmaoo

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

dEmOnS lmaoooo what a loser

[@TheChristianFangirl]

​@AdamEfimoff I'm not quite sure why this is your reply to the comment, but it's an interesting story. Did you write it yourself?

[@macmcleod1188]

They keep buying valuable i.p. and then destroying its value. Their failure is inevitable. Losing a billion here and a billion there... adds up to real money. P.s. a well curated EU based Star Wars would *still* be worth 40 billion dollarsif they removed the Disney trilogy from canon, fired Kennedy, and apologized to star wars customer and fans (who are no longer customers).

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

lol dont bet on disney doing any of that they wanted star wars so they could murder it and wear its skin suit thye dont like you fans, they have made it clear, but not clear enough for some fans to grasp it

[@HerculesBallsInc]

Large companies can kind of lose their 'soul'. And that's what's missing at Disney. They CONSUMED Star Wars, but it's pretty clear that nobody there actually LOVED Star Wars. To them it was only a VEHICLE. That is how you DESTROY intellectual properties. And destroy they did. So, too, for even their own properties. All the soul - the people who truly loved them for what they were - was gone.

[@TheRogueJedii]

Word.

[@matthewcarson3736]

To me Disney stopped being "Disney" when they acquired the MCU and abandoned their traditional animation roots. Now it's just the Bob Iger company.

[@MusicaNota]

Exactly. To me Disney died in the late 2000s when they shut down the traditional animation studio. Disney was an animation studio. Now it's nothing.

[@malvokaquila6768]

Imagine pissing away billions on a series of flops, that everyone knew would flop.

[@LawfulBased]

I appreciate the critical doggo's pose. Smokey's artistic gesture used to deliever a personification of how Disney's career currently looks.

[@highrofellos6721]

Critical Doggo is always showing the correct amount of enthusiasm :D

[@daveeyes]

I actually saw the Critical Doggo move once.

[@waltermelyon4300]

Is doggo okay? Who sleeps like that?

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@waltermelyon4300stoned dogs

[@silverscorpio24]

Critical Doggo skirting the monetization guidelines again 😂

[@lance134679]

Mega Corporations merging is never good for the industry or the customers. That's why it was weird to me when people were excited for Disney buying Fox, though, to be fair, a lot of their movies were making big money at the time, so I see why people were excited. There are lot of people excited about Microsoft buying Activision, which I think is because they're not thinking long term and how it will affect the AAA gaming industry.

[@boobah5643]

The only people I saw excited about Disney buying Fox were the folks who hadn't yet seen the writing on the wall describing Disney's MCU plans moving forward; all they saw was the hope of seeing MCU versions of the Fantastic Four and X-Men.

[@lance134679]

@@boobah5643 I'll admit, I was hoping for a new X-Men movie, too. 😄👍

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

And it makes the company fragile to being taken over by hostile, non well meaning shareholders because they have to grovel to finance those purchases. Patrick Bet David explains how and why companies like Disney gets taken hostage by Blackrock, Vanguards. Those main shareholders alway threatened to fire the CEO and management team if they don't follow their orders. So the CEO and management team have totally lost control of the company and have NO CHOICE but to "suicide" the company. It's like being "Epsteinned" but at a corporation level. Here is Patrick Bet David explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHm2oKdni8mpibc

[@bigduke2140]

People are stupid. Really stupid but they do like to support vile people and companies as deep down that is what they want to do to others. When you know that ugly fact everything makes sense.

[@HerculesBallsInc]

I disagree entirely. Sometimes larger companies can truly bring that efficiency of scale to bear and use it to provide better products and service to everyone. Old Ma Bell was living their goal to provide service to every man, woman, and child. Breaking it up resulted in small, regional monopolies like Comcast which everyone despises. And who really misses McDonald Douglass after it was bought out by Boeing? Usually when Boeing buys something I actually get hopeful that something new and exciting will get broader scale. Now it's entirely true that companies can - and often do - lose their vision of their purpose after large mergers. It's entirely true that when companies become large they very often start to think that they are 'too big to fail'. In these cases, yes, death probably can and should follow. Mergers CAN destroy a company. They even OFTEN destroy a company. But it's certainly not the case that they MUST destroy a company.

[@pistonburner6448]

Drinker, I haven't yet had time to watch/listen to the whole podcast but here's something very relevant I stumbled upon when researching a totally different industry situation (yachting industry)(I posted this under your full length podcast too): I noted this following information: In 2016, Wang Jianlin launched a direct competition with Disney by declaring that *_he wants to make sure Shanghai Disneyland Park doesn't make any money in China_* by launching over a dozen competing amusement parks. Below is more info on the company and those involved, but suffice to say that the company is owned by top people in the CCP/PLA including Xi Jinping through his family, is one of the biggest entertainment and film industry companies in the world, and they specifically mentioned their intent to destroy Disney...that should be significant! If they wanted to destroy Disney's theme parks they probably wanted to destroy Disney's other business interests too! So the subject matter I wanted to bring to your attention is Wanda Group, which has packaged its film industry holdings into Wanda Film Holdings. Wanda Film Holdings is the highest revenue-generating film production company in the world, or at least was still a few years ago. Please read about Wanda Group's film holdings in detail from other sources which you'll surely find easily. Even the Wikipedia entry for Wanda Group has a lot of their film industry ownership and partnerships listed. Some companies and partnerships include: ownership of AMC Theatres (though apparently due to Covid hurting their business and CCP wanting all Chinese companies to reduce their foreign investments they've since lost the controlling majority?), Legendary Entertainment, Propaganda GEM and Hoolai Games, 20% of Mtime, a major partnership with Sony Pictures Entertainment in which Wanda invests in selected projects. Wanda announced that they were launching some nefarious sounding internet technology company together with Tencent and Gaopeng, the purpose of which was to build a "new consumption model"'. Dalian Wanda Group was(/is?) the largest film exhibitor in China (I believe the "Dalian" part of that is just what they add to the name Wanda Group in China due to Dalian being where the company was founded). Wanda Group's majority owner and chairman is Wang Jianlin. Its minority shareholders include Xi Jinping's family and family members of other highest members of the CCP. At the age of 15, Wang started his 17-year service with the People's Liberation Army, initially as a border guard before rising to become a regimental commander. In 1976, he joined the Communist Party of China. After 17 years in the army, in 1986 Wang started working as the office administrator for the Xigang District in the city of Dalian. He served as deputy to the CCP's 17th National Congress. Wang is a delegate to the Chinese National People's Congress. He was twice named CCTV's "Economic Person of the Year". He is the vice chairman of the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce, and has been a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference since 2008. He is vice chair of the China Charity Confederation; vice chair of the China Folk Chamber of Commerce; vice chair of the China Enterprise Confederation and the China Enterprise Directors Association; vice chair of the China General Chamber of Commerce.

[@pistonburner6448]

I don't know enough details to form a full picture of the competitive situation and what exactly has been going on. What I can do is look at previous pitfalls such American companies have fallen into: -American companies tend to blindly take foreign investments and partnerships, totally naively not even thinking that they might have some ulterior motives and a long-term strategy play that is NOT in the best interest of their company. They just see the money and think "this'll make me look good as CEO in front of the investors". -I know for a fact that it's STANDARD PRACTICE for PLA (who is always involved in all Chinese companies operating internationally) to demand all Western companies to employ some of their people (they don't tell anyone they're actually PLA agents, but it's usually quite obvious). This applies even to Western companies above a certain size doing business with Chinese companies, and certainly applies to all companies setting up any operations in China as well as those accepting major Chinese investment. What many companies don't know is you can just refuse...it won't be easy but in the end they can't do much about it (except in the cases of Western companies operating on Chinese soil). So they have Western companies take in these Chinese 'employees', who then just conduct espionage. It's as simple as that. Sometimes they might not actually need to do espionage if they've already gotten access to all of your IP, then they just choose some family members or sons of important people be chosen instead, just for the paycheque and station abroad. I'm guessing Disney had dozens of such Chinese operatives employed, mandated through their investment deals and also just through ordinary PLA infiltration (easy as hell since they've got a pipeline going on through US universities and the diversity hire system makes it even easier). And for sure they had access to everything, meaning Disney had no chance to gain any strategic advantages and for sure they were sitting ducks to any schemes Chinese companies or the PLA decided to play on them. -American companies tend to not have a clue about geopolitics and strangely don't even really care, as if anything that happens abroad is a big bonus but if it all falls apart who cares as no-one at home will see that happen in detail. They'll see the Chinese market as something they want to get into because they see dollar signs in their eyes, but then they have no clue about what they're getting into, and when the Chinese government indirectly through some "private Chinese companies" or even directly just swats them down like flies and just craters everything they built in China they don't know what to do and just don't even want to believe that happened. In my experience they just don't mention it, as if that write-off is no big deal, or the CEO just leaves the company and continues in another company as if nothing ever happened. They don't even urge the politicians, the foreign ministry to address the clear entrapment and unfair competition or react to it in their foreign policy or policies towards Chinese activities in their country for some reason! Sort of like NPC drones who take no responsibility for what happens to the country or the company long-term, all they care about is the constant nice little bribes the Chinese pay them personally or the nice investments from China which bump their company's value somewhat and they get bonuses & get to cash in some sweet stock options. Usually when I've seen eg. European companies battle countries like South Korea about unfair market influencing with subsidies in some industries they've always made their foreign and trade ministries take care of most of the battling...they don't just lay down and take it without fighting against such unfair geopolitical stuff and trade battles! (Americans shouldn't be offended, similar things happen in Europe, just with a slightly different structure and with more differing situations)

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

Interesting

[@darkiepoo8949]

prob not a good idea for someone who has a solid audience to start talking about pooh's family. there will be consequences

[@pistonburner6448]

@@darkiepoo8949 Yup. And BTW I was very surprised that my comment wasn't censored by this platform. My similar comments about the yacht industry side of this thing was totally censored to oblivion by this platform...as are all comments simply pointing out that a product in a video on this platform actually is made by a Chinese or Chinese-owned company. Clearly someone is paying or threatening this platform to censor these things.

[@NathanCassidy721]

This is one jam packed and enlightening comment. And if I was to guess why your comment is getting censored in yacht videos is because it’s a niche nobody pays attention to whereless here it’s more “mainstream”. So if comment disappear people start noticing.

[@darko-man8549]

The fall of Pixar can be shown by simply watching Incredibles and I2 back-to-back

[@davidshanahan5134]

I watched a small section of the original Snow White 1937 animation. It is full of charm and nostalgia, and dare I say it a bit of magic ! It even has dwarves, singing about going off to work. Can't mention work in the new version, as it may offend the unemployed. Sigh!

[@Pahoe77]

Watching the critical doggo sleep, is more enjoyable than the crap disney's putting out

[@jacobrogers2906]

I feel like this is the best thing that could happen for most of these IPs. Get Star Wars away from Disney and it has a chance again. I will say Disney's unwillingness to learn from their failures and just commit to repeating them is stunning. Fucking stunning. How do you make the same mistakes for 5 years straight and never change course? I mean, holy shit.

[@docsavage8640]

Would be great if someone who actually likes some of these IPs got a hold of them.

[@edackley8595]

All exorbitantly priced and now trashed. Stock backed cultural vandals are dangerous until their money runs out.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

They produce lots of movies where consequences don't match actions. Back in real life, actions have consequences.

[@bigjohn2811]

Hopefully Bob Iger will be president of Disney for the rest of his life. I want him to drive it into the ground, it would be "The Ride of a Lifetime".

[@brick6347]

I'm not surprised their resorts are empty. Aside from being massively overpriced, they're in places nobody wants to go nowadays. Euro Disney is in Paris... Who in their right mind wants to go anywhere near Paris? I gather California elicits the same response from many Americans... No thanks.

[@Attmay]

Imagine what the last 30 years could have been for Disney if they had not wasted so much time on and money on these needless acquisitions only to get rid of them later.

[@charlesjmouse]

Pardon me while I have a good belly-laugh at the evil mouse's expense. 😂 Questions: -Are any bits of Disney are actually worth buying at this point? -If any sale comes with Disney staff who would want such poison in their own business?

[@bigduphusaj162]

I agree. They need disolved its a toxic brand at this point. See even if they did hire good guys and quit with the woke nonsense, i still think its too late for them. You cannot p1ss people off that bad and expect no long term backlash

[@TheComposerAX]

I think James Gunn is pretty smart to delay Superman, the audience needs time to miss the character and forget Henry's portrayal. Also, you guys are missing the point with the Authority etc. The audience has finally had it with remakes and re-everythings... unknown source material has novelty and the potential of generating excitement, especially in the hands of a talented director.

[@IVMZR]

Not full reboot is a big mistake... delaying Superman is good but if these projects audience don't like it would backfire for Superman: Legacy.

[@TheComposerAX]

I think it's worth the risk and James Gunn knows it. Also, no, the full reboot was necessary, the DCEU was fighting a losing battle from the very beggining.

[@billbillinger2117]

When in doubt, double down until you destroy yourself, your company, or both. Anything to avoid responsibility.

[@minuete82]

Munching on popcorn watching Disney’s downfall in real time.

[@rin7564]

Totally more entertaining than their movies

[@emperorsean1]

Disney was always creativley bankrupt though. Everything with the exception of mickey mouse and friends disney just aquired.

[@Attmay]

And even that was just an outgrowth of Walt Disney losing the rights to Oswald.

[@DarkTider]

Remember when it seemed like Disney would take over everything? It takes a special kind of stupid to go from that to the company falling apart THAT FAST

[@Esauofisaac]

It's really quite depressing. My gf and I are huge Disney fans. We wear Disney merch all the time, visit all the parks, just got back from visiting Japan a month ago and one of the highlights was visiting Disney Tokyo. It feels like the entire company has just been speedrunning itself into the ground the past decade, they are constitutionally incapable of just representing a traditional family in entertainment. It's like a child having a temper tantrum and refusing to do what he knows will work for him in the end. Really hope the right people get fired but I'm not looking forward to its future if I'm honest.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Bahamut needs to hit Modern Disney with GigaFlare

[@williamnicholson8133]

At the rate of Disney's self destruction it would only require chocobo kick.

[@chasehedges6775]

Modern Disney is desperate

[@edackley8595]

And disgusting!

[@reconnaissance]

If the goal was to wreck the studio economically resulting in sell off (imagine Disney being foreign owned!); wreck the Disney and Pixar brand culturally; and wreck the legacy of Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, etc. then goal achieved.

[@JoJoJoker]

Ignorant people on KZbin still think the goal is to earn money and can’t see the fact that Disney executives have been successful in their personal goals.

[@edackley8595]

Let the French have it!

[@eriknewton4656]

this is what happens when disney keeps ignoring the fans and then tries to blame them for their lack of creative failures

[@boreofwrath837]

Thankfully the old classics are strong enough for me to always look back on Disney fondly.

[@edackley8595]

EXACTLY, a classic is a classic and Disney owns a bunch of them. Problem is will they leave the old media alone? George Lucas certainly didn't.

[@TheGeronimojack]

Asoka looks like another "girl power" series. The trailer shows 3 women who are all powerful and kick the butts of the males in the series.

[@thomasjones3063]

I like the direction Gunn picked. Time to move from Batman and Superman and give us something new to build on. Something everyone is saying, make new or prop up other heroes.

[@AYjoy93]

He didn’t move on tho, Superman and Batman are gonna headline his new DCU universe

[@libertyprime2013]

I love dc but I’m kinda tired of live action super hero movies. For the past few years I’ve only been excited by animated super hero films tbh.

[@Guigley]

I grew up in the Renaissance era of the 90s, and I know what Disney once was. I don't want Disney to fail. I want the house to be totally cleaned out and filled with the right people to carry on Walt Disney's legacy.

[@Attmay]

It was just a marketing term based on four movies that ignored how many other ones were not as successful.

[@grammeatticus2172]

My grandchildren and I love going to WDW together. I hope these experiences can be preserved for the future at least.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Impossible, Blackrock and Vanguard got Disney by the balls since Disney groveled to them to get the finances to by FOX. Patrick Bet David explains how and why companies like Disney gets taken hostage by Blackrock, Vanguards. Those main shareholders alway threatened to fire the CEO and management team if they don't follow their orders. So the CEO and management team have totally lost control of the company and have NO CHOICE but to "suicide" the company. It's like being "Epsteinned" but at a corporation level. Here is Patrick Bet David explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHm2oKdni8mpibc

[@bigduphusaj162]

yeah Walt liked the kids didn't he. A little too much some might add.

[@grammeatticus2172]

@@bigduphusaj162 Huh?

[@heartysquid]

AHHHHH HAHA HAHAHA HA HA HAAAAAAAA! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LET THE DISNEYVERSE BURN!

[@SuperCrazyEstonian]

Disney was on it´s way to becoming a monopoly level power. They were an absolute giant. Good times.

[@edackley8595]

WERE

[@floridaman6982]

Problem with monopolies is they become stagnate. It always takes way too long to correct thou. Nearly a decade of failing up before its actually undeniable

[@damianarchibald7792]

For a second there, I was worried about the critical doggo. I thought the poor dog had gotten into your liquor cabinet.

[@restock_1731]

When you sell your soul for "the message" over quality content, this is what happens. Actions have consequences.

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmao

[@marbellaotaiza801]

The Titanic and the Hindenburg come to mind. Sheer-fucking-hubris

[@lcdrfish8633]

It would be a great opportunity to free up the classic fox film libraries that were locked up in the vault as soon as they bought them. Also...maybe this could lead to some classic Disney films getting proper releases... ie. Song of the south.

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmao

[@zibbitybibbitybop]

I'm hoping against hope that Disney will sell the entirety of Lucasfilm to someone who actually fucking knows and appreciates Star Wars, and that the new owner restores the franchise to its former glory. I still love classic Star Wars too much not to wish for this.

[@akmason74]

Honestly, Disney bought everything they could, and turned it to woke. Let Disney have to return these IPs back to better hands. Disney is a company run by accountants, it's only named after a legendary creative man.

[@TheRogueJedii]

Run by woke ideologues

[@jasongoldtrap1114]

"Elemental" was made for $200 million. It has earned $130 million. "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" had a budget of $294.7 and has earned $151 million. "The Flash" had a budget of $262 million and has brought in $107 million. "Sound of Freedom" had a budget of $14.5 million and has earned $100 million. The secret is.... tell a good story. Cut the special effects budget by half and focus on telling a good story.

[@milkacj5788]

Who’ve thought that creative bankruptcy would lead to an actual one 😂

[@mattchooblink]

Can i be in charge of star wars? Ill de-canonize the sequels, canonize the EU, and greenlight a movie about Revan. Oh and fire kk and her army of sycophants. Lets go

[@someguyontheinternet2399]

Reminds me how the British once had the world in the palm of their hand and then gave up everything they earned

[@bigduphusaj162]

were good at fighting. When we wanted you dead you gotmade dead. The world has changed since then, you cannot go about just beating people into submissision. America is the biggest joke now like, i mean nobody takes America seriously at this point and several countries could whoop them in a war so the days of America claiming they are world police are long gone.

[@davidbridge5652]

Knackered after being on the front lines of 2 world wars probably

[@leonrobinson8180]

Boo hoo! Poor Brits who plundered, murdered and enslaved millions!

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmao

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Remember, "diverse and inculsive content sells".

[@Ki11Th3mA11Kid]

Sound of Freedom currently surpassed 100 million in revenue when it only costed 14 mil to produce. Disney refused to release this movie (ironic cause many Disney emplyees been caught up in child sex trafficking rings and molested kids and they shelved a movie bringing awarness to that exact thing? Coincidence? I dont think so 🤔) and tried to keep it from being seen. Instead of helping bring awarness to the most evil thing happening to KIDS which is thier main customer if they don't remember... They could have easily made profit pushing for a good cause. Would have won back alot of people. Instead they chose to try and demonize it and keep it out of circulation. Disney is EVIL. They deserve to rot. I feel bad for Walt smh

[@superawesomefuntime2162]

They're trying to please people that don't even watch the movies they cry about...

[@need-to-know-]

Critical Drinker, you’re a real gentleman. That’s absolutely right that seeing someone get what they bring upon themselves is not as satisfying as you might think especially when you have been imploring them to change course. It’s just…sad.

[@Russ0107]

Is it really sad? Is it? Do you hear yourself? These companies are pure evil, they deserve nothing less than forceful dissolution.

[@need-to-know-]

@@Russ0107 lol yeah, you’re right. Must’ve lost my balance there for a second. People deserve sympathy. That corporation can go fry. Thanks for stirring me up.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Yep. When the foe is strong, mock all you will. When the foe is weak, it is time for sobriety and pity.

[@saitamagotchi44]

Apples net worth is more than the GDP of India, or was when i looked it up last year, it's friggin bonkers.

[@GIBBO4182]

Get woke…go broke applies to everyone! No one is exempt

[@edackley8595]

All that kiddie access, you know, the next generation to indoctrinate is evaporating. Mothers and fathers are not so eager to share Disney with their children now. The chain is broken. The built-in generational consumer has recoiled.

[@_Dovar_]

I never cared much for Marvel. I watched what Disney did to MCU with a sad curiosity similar to that of a medician observing an unusually large cancer growth slowly overtaking its host and eventuallly killing him. But I utterly hate them for what they did to "Star Wars". No words known to men can describe how much I hate them for that. The moment I saw the teaser of "The Force Awakens", I knew exactly what kind of "content" they were going to produce... Ultimately there is only one answer to this whole crisis: a complete renouncing by the public opinion of any claim of these corporations to any kind of canon, legendarium or cinematic universe. To treat this content of theirs, as an extreme example of a bad "fanfiction", only corporatized. They may own the legal monopoly to publish under a trademark and to declare what's "official" - but they do not own the cultural monuments.

[@_Dovar_]

@@Anoneemus_Noenayme Thanks.

[@mryeetproductions]

This puts a smile on my face.

[@ge9367]

Smokey's input brought a tear to my eye.

[@Mr72Dolphins]

Release the "Star Wars Holiday Special " in 4k, make billions!

[@Attmay]

In Zimbabwean currency.

[@michaelfields7088]

Please have Reaper on more with your streams. He is awesome!

[@rjf5285]

It makes me ecstatic to see disney fall apart. I honestly want to see it go out of business.

[@kazekamiha]

I'm not happy watching Disney fail but it is a relief. Once the ashes have cooled maybe they can rebuild anew and do what they should have; please fans.

[@richtea615]

Look what Disney did to Smokey. Those bastards.

[@Attmay]

Disney is the bandit. Once, many years ago, they made a good movie. Then they banned it.

[@SensSword]

The Super Mario Bros. Movie as of writing has made $1350 million on a budget of $100 million. There was no Ess Jay Dubya content at all, and it made 10x. I was bit miffed at Luigi being seemingly cowardly at the beginning, but STFU when he and his brother rose to the occasion. The brothers kicked way more ass together than any single character alone. Mario was old school Luke Skywalker. Princess Peach was a mix of Han and Obi but younger. Luigi was Hobby who didn't get merced. Brilliant over all but the Donkey Kong part of the movie seemed antisemitik (sic) as it was over the top. It was cliché kvetching and stereotypes the whole time.

[@EvilDoresh]

And even this is mostly thanks to Nintendo still having PTSD from that one live-action movie, and generally _not_ blindly trusting anyone with their main mascot.

[@alexvesper7820]

They did this to themselves. They crapped on Walt's legacy and that was literally all they had going for them.

[@solan7978]

"I grieve that so much that was good now festers in the Tower," Gandalf, The Two Towers

[@bealstreetboi-fhey6]

disney sux but your kind are far worse lmao

[@seveneightnineandtendidntcare]

Omg Reaper. I never expected him to be in this group chat. Awesome.

[@michelleyoung731]

As always I enjoyed smokey's contribution to the discussion. He's fascinating.

[@EvaOwnsAll]

Lucas film, PLEASE FUCKING SELL LUCAS FILM. Be sure to keep Kathleen, she's obviously a genius mousekateer.

[@Ssm19494]

I think Indy 5 really did it…. Somehow managed to make a more miserable and hard to watch movie than all of the sequels…. 2 and a half hours straight of boredom…. No one is coming out of that theatre looking forward to the next Disney movie

[@AnthonyJoh]

So glad to see Reaper here. His channel is hilarious!

[@edackley8595]

Half a century building a brand with YUUUUUGE goodwill value...TRASHED. The "Killing the Olds" gets expensive. Creators, it's never been a better time to for you to shine. Fill the void, the old entertainment corporates are dead.

[@dadocta5168]

I think Disney got ripped off when they sold their dignity.

[@ethanbrown2563]

Bob Iger: I’m shocked! Shocked! To discover that we are a woke money-shredder. Box Office and Park Receipts: Your loosings, Sir. Bob Iger: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

[@rwberger6]

Can't wait to see the new Spirit Halloween store at Disney World this fall!

[@ibidesign]

Remember than Disney also bought 20th Century Fox for over $70BILLION. Lucasfilm and Marvel were peanuts for them.

[@jameshar9592]

As usual…Critical Doggo on point with his arguments! Love it!

[@Harmonica821]

Pandemic really was the be all - end all for Disney. They made people addicted to shows, series and shorts. Cinema is dying right now thanks to streaming services, and now the only chance anything seems to get notoriety is by becoming a meme like Barbie. Even their good movies like Guardians 3 failed to break even due to negative customer experience. They bought two giants of the movie industry, Lucasfilms and Marvel, somehow sinking both's reputation in just a couple of years. Their cheap and manipulative business practices, quite like their fanbaiting has not worked in a long time. In a world where everyone hates them and what they done to beloved franchises, one must wonder: how long does Disney has left to turn it around?

[@Leptospirosi]

"Socially progressive and creatively reactionary" seems spot on!

[@georgedavidson957]

critical doggo doing his impression of a dead disney at 1:00

[@lesigh1749]

Disney should try this new AI writing thing. They could prompt it with something like "Write a Marvel movie the audience actually would ENJOY" and see what ChatGPT spits out for them. 🤔

[@GunControlHelpsCriminals]

ChatGPT has been mugged by Bill Gates. It will suggest eco-fascist bio-tech themes, living in pods eating genetically tampered fake meat. As I write this it sounds like a film that has already been made. But instead of being a thriller/horror, it’s now just “the news at 10”

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

And the worst thing for Disney is (aside from everything else) nothing will save them now. There's no new Renaissance nor people capable of it, Lucasfilm is a corpse that can't be paraded around the streets anymore, Fox is trying to keep itself alive, the MCU is in its last legs, the parks have become money sinks, the fans and the common audience is leaving their ship, and Pixar isn't the same without Lasseter. They'd probably sell themselves to Blackrock.